Bartók editionhttps://youtu.be/W2zPA4RuzaMThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious: >>124216315
>>124234833much better than anything ever written by a r*ssian
feels like a Mahler 7 day, appropriate for Halloweenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXjaGRJNsqs
Russian romanticism is truly the peak of art.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7eVG7Yvvz8
>>124234908you misspelled shart
>>124234833I LOVE BARTOK SO MUCH
>>124234914No way you posted a screencap of an editorialized 'historical' sentence from fuggin' Breitbart, c'mon.
>>124234918Not really.
>>124234939yes really
If Rachmaninoff was so good why didn't he write a violin or cello concerto? Hell, not even a violin sonata!
>>124234945Not really.>>124234952Stupid question.
>>124234952please, the last thing we need is more slaveslop>>124234966yes really.
>>124234975False.
>>124234981actually true
>>124234987Thanks for concession.
racmaninob :DDD
>>124234990not quite, illiterate sister
>>124234999Quite so sis.
>>124235006afraid not, illiterate sister
>>124235017Undeniably so sis.
>>124235039fortunately not, illiterate sister
>>124235049Absolutely so, sis.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc_XoHj9K6U
>>124235068oh hey look, the garbage is back!
>>124235082For garbage you might want to visit your relatives back in the middle east.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttECWUKMsOo
>>124235105unfortunately i don’t have any, but thankfully you’re here to supply a steady flow of trash
>>124235123No I don't really supply this thread with yourself, you insist.
>>124235144but you do supply this thread with piles of slaveslop aka stinky reeking garbage. thank you garbageman
>>124235162Again, I don't supply this thread with yourself, you insist. So the steady flow of trash is all on you.
>>124234936you're not defending atonal music, are you?
>>124235173but you do supply this thread with piles of slaveslop aka stinky reeking garbage. thank you garbageman
For every Rachmaninoff piece you hear you must listen to 5 mozart or Bach pieces
>>124235186I don't have to in order to point out how utterly stupid, ridiculous, and looney-tunes insane that sentence is.
>>124235186not him but we like atonal music here
>>124235194for every rachmaninoff piece i hear i throw up 5 times
>>124235189I do no such thing, but you do supplu garbage.
>>124235207do you know what a fallacy is?
>>124235251...what?
>>124235240you did so right here, garbageman>>124234741>>124234908>>124235068thank you garbageman
>>124235269All of them are on-topic, classical music, highest quality at that.
>>124235284you misspelled festering rotting garbage, garbageman
>>124235258anon is attacking the statement that atonal music leads to debauchery by squaring a bullseye on its source instead of the argument, and he's slandering it further without ever explaining his thoughts
>>124235296I was making fun of the source too, but I called the sentence/statement itself ridiculous.
>>124235292Not really.
>>124235363apparently so, garbageman
>>124235343yeah but that does nothing to validate your position. what ends up happening is an excersize in name calling, in division—not clarity. the article itself is poorly sourced. in fact there is zero links provided. but that's the case with a lot of information these days, including from other mainstream outlets. that shouldnt encourage a wholesale dismissal just because you like trash, which isn't to say brietbart or the article isn't (trash).
>>124235387Negative.
>>124235435evidently not, garbageman
>>124235423It isn't, I read the sentence first, and it's insane brainrot. I'm right-wing myself, anon, and my issue with Breitbart here is I wouldn't use them for topics of this kind, but that aside I still read it first before saying anything.
>>124235449False.
>>124235464evidently not, garbageman
>>124235473False.
>>124235491evidently not, garbageman
Honeggerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQB1y8BQ-Hg
>>124235508Incorrect.
new season of The Diplomat on Netflix, finally. talk to you autists tomorrow.
>>124235539evidently not, garbageman>>124235549speaking of slop
>>124235454you're unsure of how to respond to my brevity in spite of the circumstances. your attempt at matching me doesn't go unnoticed. that's normal, especially for people who argue against indisputable facts, such as how atonal music leads to an erosion of jurisdictional values. not only that, but your repetition is unwavering, and frankly, symptomatic of having listened to atonal music.
Right now listening to Mahler Symphony no. 6 "Tragic" - Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra - Leonard Bernsteinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goXH3NUhUFk&ab_channel=MichaelLi
>>124235555Easily falsifiable by the music itself.
>>124235555>speaking of slopAll TV is slop but as far as the medium goes, it's quite good. If I were to write for a TV show, which I see as a possible and hopeful career path, it's exactly what I would be working and happy to produce.
Two or three Jews were walking along the road; their clothing revealed that they were Jews. In that moment, a motorcycle came along. A German got off and, from the gesticulation, we understood that he was asking for the way somewhere. They showed him precisely... He probably said "Danke schön", sat down again, started the engine, and as the Jews resumed walking, to send them on their way he threw a hand grenade, which tore them to shreds. I could have easily died the same way. On the whole, dying was easy.
>>124235564evidently not, garbageman
Schoenberghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?=DIXx8FlOh2Y?si=-Hk9DnVwBypNE4E0
>>124235559Masterpiece.
>>124235557For once on the internet I am genuinely speechless. Write a novel or something, I'll read it. After you do that, get help.
>>124235557>>>/x/ would me more your speed with such schizophrenia
>>124235600Falsified by any Russian romantic.
Mahler 6 goes on for a little while, it really oughta be shorter but it's all worth it for that hammer
>>124235671evidently not, garbageman
>>124235678For me, the first three movements were love at first listen, while the final one took a bit because of how dense it was, so I feel you. Eventually you'll come to love every moment of it too. Or try a faster recording.
>>124235681Still falsified.
>>124235709never has been, garbageman
>>124235713Always was.
>>124235725evidently not, garbageman
Aquarium with a glass armonica https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t71bzSF3r_0&ab_channel=Yozhik
>>124235734Evidently always was
>>124235760afraid not, garbageman
>>124235814Always was falsified though. 1 bar of the cello sonata is enough to falsify your rhetoric.
>>124235828evidently not, garbageman
>>124235839Evidently even just a half bar of that sonata is enough.
>>124235846enough to prove that it’s garbage, yes
>>124235864Maybe to a retard, yes.
>>124235872indeed, even a retard would be able to see that it’s garbage. it’s just that self-evident.
>>124235886Even? No, only to a retard.
https://litter.catbox.moe/2lyiu9.001https://litter.catbox.moe/5sp28g.002Gielen Beethoven set
>>124235894even? yes, everyone from geniuses to retards can tell that rach is garbage. >>124235902very nice, thanks. have you uploaded it on red?
>>124235913>have you uploaded it on red?Yup
>>124235913Rach is great and everyone can tell so (And everyone does).
>>124235922awesome, thanks. downloading it now. >>124235928great at writing garbage, yes.
>>124235902no thanks i prefer non jewish performers
>>124235932Nah, at great music.
Not really a big Mozart fan but you aren't exactly spoiled for choice when it comes to the glass harmonica/armonica(whatever that's about)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylngndwfpFk&list=OLAK5uy_ldPSVnI-uCyKpbuaEw7KVuLb0D9BAqeAw&ab_channel=BrunoHoffmann-Topic
>>124235939that’s an odd way to spell garbage.
>>124235963Not really.
>>124235970it certainly seems that way
>>124235982Yeah to a retard. I'll try to reply soon, see ya then feral faggot!
>>124235996yes, even a retard could see that you misspelled garbage. i wonder what that makes you, garbageman.
>>124235932If nothing else I think this set has a pretty good 8th. I'd listen to that first.
>>124227187What's the issue here?
>>124234908More like the peak of shit
>>124236155nice, i’ve been itching for more 8ths. don’t know how much of a sense of humor gielen has though. >>124236188isn’t it obvious? it’s slaveslop
Post your favorite jewish performers
>>124236235Just about every top tier violinist was Jewish lol
>>124236188I was mostly meme-ing, but it also is incredibly frenzied, grandiose, and overwrought, though intentionally so, with ultimately poor execution in the composition. Maybe it'll eventually click for me, maybe I haven't heard the right recording, as I love the first three movements, the finale just ruins it a bit.>>124236216>isn’t it obvious? it’s slaveslop>yfw you realize it's proto-Mahlerian
>>124236311>loud = mahlerretarded
Do you think you could tell just from listening the difference between a prelude a toccata and a fantasy?
>>124236422toccatas are traditionally the most virtuosic and fantasies are typically longer than most preludes, but the differences between the 3 are somewhat arbitrary at this point.
>>124235933Why is that? I could understand composers ,although personally I wouldn't agree that, but why performers?
>>124236458because he hasn’t taken his pills recently.
>>124236470It's how he celebrates Halloween, makes it extra sp00ky.
>>124234914>Hey baby...are we going to do like do it?
>>124236603speaking of schizophrenia… >>124236646
Spamming idiot
>>124236697you shouldn’t be so harsh on yourself.
>>124236646Close to funny, needed to include some kind of reference to music like "Baby, they're playing Schnittke, that's our song" or something. Good effort though.
>>124236765>And then...after the final chord had been played and the curtain closed...>...THE PIECE HAD BEEN WRITTEN BY A JEW !!! WooWOOOooooWOO!!!
It's mind-blowing how good Franck's violin and cello sonatas are.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n6p4zF8KMUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM99afl7H8c
>>124237941you realize that this is just the exact same work arranged for cello right?
>>124237959I was just, uh, posting both versions in case people here preferred one instrument or the other.Phew...
>>124235604amazing recording
Grieg is like Tchaikovsky... but good.
>Rubinstein was taught by a pupil of Liszt, who was a pupil of Czerny who was a pupil of BeethovenIs there any other performer connected to Beethoven's lineage that isn't a complete faggot kike?
>>124235208No we don't. Only one shitposter shills schoenberg to make wagnersister angry
Did Rubinstein ever make any recordings of Wagner? He plays him really well here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4IPhLBetZ8
>>124238748if you don't get atonal music you seriously don't belong here
Why can't AIfags be useful for once and come up with a way to remove coughing and other noise from old recordings without touching anything else. Listening to some of these Horowitz Scriabin recordings with retards in the audience choking to death is pissing me off.
>>124239079What is the best Wagner MvN recording?
>>124239090So true Schistberg
>>124239474I mean, just listen to a studio recording. Either way piano music should be played intimately and not on a stage, piano concertos are for that
>>124239090I get it, it's a bunch of pretentious jews making ugly music. Doesn't make it good.
Why does Beethoven tend to only really have 1 memorable theme in his sonata form movements in his symphonies? I need to actively read the sheet music to know where the other themes are. Otherwise I'd just think that his movements had 1 theme. Other classical music tends to have more noticable themes.
>>124236003I didn't misspell.>>124235981I posted HQ recordings, maybe you're just retarded after all.
>>124239780Meant to reply to >>124235994
>>124238748I like 12-tone music.
>>124239990Scat fetishists like shit
>>124240059I guess augmented triads are a bit above your speed.
>>124239525Many great or even best recordings are live though, and have noise/artifacts because of that. Wunderlich's Dichterliebe at the Festspiele and Schreier's Winterreise being easy examples.
>>124234833https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pks2K0LNc3YT
>>124240091>I guess dog poop is a bit above your speed
>>124240721you need to be at least 18 to post here.now playing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6U8AqRNyU8
>>124240774>Don't like shit? You're too youngOr maybe atonal music is just inherently shit. Being pretentious about how you're not able to compose doesn't change reality.
retards:>>124239559>>124239508
>>12424082712-tone music and expressionism are just extreme forms of romanticism. Did you get filtered by I7+b3 chords again? are jalapenos too spicy for you?
>>124234833Do Schoenberg fans actually like his music or is it just a wank competition? Did Schoenberg himself genuinely like what he was writing or was it all a vein exercise to be the first to breach traditional harmony?I'm playing devils advocate here. I think Gurrelieder is masterful and wonderful, and I genuinely enjoy the eeriness of his string quartets. It's just that for every Gurrelieder and Verklarte Nacht there's endless pieces of his that people wank over even though they're just autistic 12 tone serial gibberish. Pierrot Lunaire for example, I think I've listened to it 20 times to try and understand it and it's just endless meandering up and down weird scales.
>>124241069I do but it's like having a drug or dopamine problem. first you get hooked on Chopin. after it stops giving a high you begin craving for something more extreme. eventually you get hooked on Liszt and Wagner, then Strauss and Reger, and then... expressionism and twelve-tone music.At that point there is no turning back. You are officially a druggo.
>>124241101personally, I'm hooked on classicshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQgUEL7Jiqk
>>124241101>>124241069Honestly serial music and stuff like Schoenberg, Messian, Stockhausen, Varese, Xenakis etc is what I listened to a lot when I was depressed and felt nothing. The chaos and seemingly emotionlessness to it was all I could relate to.
>>124241069>Did Schoenberg himself genuinely like what he was writingI think it was like Picasso, his early stuff validated him as a geniunely enthralling and innovative composer and developed cult status for being le transgressive. After that he knew he could make any old retarded shit and people would praise it just for the novelty.
>>124240858>>124241101
>>124241069I enjoy his early period and his free tonality period the most. Some 12 tone stuff is good, like his concerti or Moses und Aron, but I don't enjoy all of it.
>>124240858>muh chordsLiterally 0 difference between serialsisters and jazztards
>>124241707sorry, I can't you hear you over the sound of an iii13+#7 chord.
>>124239990>>124241101>>124241745No one cares about your shitty opinion btw
>>124241908ok, TJ.
>>124241923If you 2 just killed yourselves /classical/ would improve significantly and become the greatest /classical/ discussion thread.
>>124241745Ok glorified jazztard
>>124239780>>124239783you misspelled garbage and you posted dogshit (aka caca, feces, poop, shit, turds, no. 2, garbage, trash, refuse, waste, and above all, slaveslop), so i’m not sure why you’re trying to convince us otherwise.
I am against Stravinsky, for Schoenberg. I think that when we get a breakthrough in art, like with Schoenberg, we always get then accompanying it, a figure like Stravinsky. Renormalising the breakthrough. Cutting off the subversive edge of the breakthrough. And I think again the same goes for other arts, for example, in modern painting, it would have been Picasso vs Braque. I think Picasso is Stravinsky in painting, with his eclecticism, while Georges Braque is the thorough modernist ascetism. Even in literature, although the homology is not perfect, I’m tempted to say Joyce vs Beckett. Joyce is I think too bright for his own good. It’s too pretentious in this encyclopaedic approach, like using all languages in Finnegan’s Wake; the true genius is for me Samuel Beckett. If I were to choose one novel of the 20th century, it’s his Unnameable. I think that the three absolute masters of 20th century literature are Beckett, Kafka and the Russian Andrei Platonov. If you put the three of them together, I’m ready to burn, sacrifice all other books just to keep these three. I think even much of high modernist writing is overrated. For example, if I were to choose between Virginia Woolf and Daphne du Maurier, I would immediately choose du Maurier. We shouldn’t be afraid to admit this.
>>124239990>>124240774>>124240858>>124241101>>124241745>>124241923never thought i’d see the day that the pedophile kraut got over his obsession with jews and started batting for dodecaphony, fucking incredible
>>124240827Atonality doesn't exist even in Schoenberg's works, because of that unchangeable physical law concerning the interrelation of the harmonics, and their relation to their fundamental tone. When we hear a single tone, we will interpret it subconsciously as a fundamental tone. When we hear a following different tone, we will-again subconsciously-project it on the first tone (felt as being the fundamental one) and interpret it according to its relation to the latter. In a so-called atonal work, one selects now this, now another tone as a fundamental one, and projects all other happenings of the piece onto these selected fundamentals. The same phenomenon appears when dealing with so-called polytonal music. Here polytonality exists only for the eye when looking at the music. But our mental hearing again will select one key as a fundamental key and will project the tones of the other keys on this selected one. The parts in different keys will be interpeted as consisting of tones of the chosen key.
woah big news just hit today's headline. a gay jew who is the editor of classicstoday has selected another jew as having the best orchestral music in any ring cycle.
>>124242195Not really.
>>124241069Yes.
>>124242250i know this is copypasta, but lol @ the delusional idiot who wrote this and actually believed it. >>124242285quite so actually
>>124242318Not quite so, not really.
Schoenberg https://youtu.be/ATXnKIXE1kU?si=c_Z9KBsXnptxZspB
>>124242334actually yes.
>>124242352Umm, not really nah.
>>124242318>but lol @ the delusional idiot who wrote this and actually believed it.That delusional idiot was Bartok
>>124242364definitely yes.
>>124242367bartok definitely did not believe that serial music was tonal, in fact the famous quote from him “all good music is tonal” is about the idea of pitch centers (which are extremely common in his post/quasi tonal music). nothing to do with serial music.
>>124242370Def no, I'm afraid.>>124242340Sounds jewish.
>>124242399and you'd be mistaken
>>124242402I'm correct here.
>>124242411fortunately not, garbageman
>>124242435But I am.https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n4k5w7B8joJltKWRWDBWvJhK2gJhBFN_k
>>124242446thanks for the extra garbage, garbageman
>>124242258What's the point in taking advice on Wagner by someone who admittedly doesn't like Wagner? Hurwitz is good for other things.
>>124242456You are welcome for the extra goldhttps://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nb2lu54kExill1Q0mB2EqkaNkvD3hLyv0
>>124242469looks like festering reeking rotting repulsive garbage to me, garbageman.
>>124242467>Hurwitz is good for other things.that is where you're wrong. that wrongness implicates a potentially significant number of other wrong things.
>>124242479Sounds like cope>>124242484A logical fallacy like this implicates potentionally a very low IQ among other things.
>>124242530yes, slaveslop does indeed sound like cope, it's just natural.
>>124242554Incoherent babble.
>>124242558it's perfectly legible to anyone who isn't indian, garbageman.
>>124242575Except you're not
>>124242598well yeah, of course i'm not indian. that honor goes to you, garbageman.
>>124242530your sentence lacks clarity. notably, the word potentially is spelled and used incorrectly, which had been adopted from the post it is responding to.
>>124242625be nice, he’s indian. he’s doing his best.
>>124242608You're not coherent, sis. Try to keep up.
>>124242669i could never keep up with a garbageman indian when it comes to shitting in the street, i’ll leave supremacy in that field to you.
Rachmaninoff is garbage
>>124242683indeed, that much is clear
atonality is garbage
Wagner is garbage
>>124242675Sounds like you see people shitting in the street daily, you must be a pajeet. Projection at work lol
>>124242772this may surprise you, but not all of us see shit in the street as a regular occurrence, that mainly happens in your home country
At times like these I think of the Master of Music and Poetry in whose name this general was consecrated. Wagner would not have allowed his discord kittens to grow so unruly. With his integral and organic conception of the artwork he would, while paying the respect due to those composers out of whose genius was formed these pristine instruments of musical understanding, recognize these matters as beneath the dignity of the true artist for whom they are but tools of his unified expression. Come, let us embrace one another as sisters and retreat to the seraglio to repose in profound meditation upon the works of the Master.https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg
>>124242790No one shits in the street in my home country, same can't be said about yours.
>>124242824we’ve all seen the indian public defecation statistics garbageman, you’re not fooling anyone
>>124242837Yes you're part of those statistics.
W.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb_eITgampA&list=PLL7n4QMVc9K-bvB6aR-_1_nsJXGt3zdC0&index=7
>>124242843but i haven’t posted any slaveslop?
>>124242847Exactly.
>>124242901right, so i haven’t shit in the street then. you on the other hand have.
>>124242929Exact opposite.
another day, another God-blessed opportunity to enjoy some Schoenberg!
>>124243029Based!
>>124242258can you guys pleeeeease stop posting Hurwitz's hideous face?
>>124242970evidently not, garbageman
Wagner is film music
>>124243051do you have something against fat gay jews who put cocks in and around their orifices?
>>124243121Evidently opposite, sis.
idc jansons is good and occasionally even greathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAQR4zX9rd0&list=OLAK5uy_mR-QxyBjB8b67D3lmYcHIG9HQq8a7Wytg&index=1
>>124243969>idcthat much is obvious. besides, i have no interest in jewish performers.
>>124244011>During his lifetime he was often cited as among the world's leading conductors;[7][8][9][10] in a 2015 Bachtrack poll, he was ranked by music critics as the world's third best living conductor.>besides, i have no interest in jewish performers....okay I didn't believe you at first with this one but looking it up I'm quite surprised.
>>124243313quite untrue, garbageman>>124243969evidently not
>>124244147get ready...
>>124244147Quite evidently true, sis
>>124244028https://files.catbox.moe/2hnj1v.mp4
>>124244287lol
>>124244184>simon rattleLMFAOOOOOOO>>124244191fortunately not, obsessed garbagemn
>>124244417>LMFAOOOOOOOHey I didn't write it, these are your colleagues and your world.
>>124244417Thankfully yes, sis.
>>124244598Can't you two just accept some people here like Rach and some don't and leave it at that?
>>124244502i obviously did not vote i that poll and ive already expressed my contempt for modern conductors.>>124244598evidently not, garbageman
>>124244841Well, there can still be a top 10 even if you don't think any of the 10 are great. Granted I suspect yours, and mine, would look very different (Seguin? Nelsons? Thielemann!? Really?), but if you had to pick 10... and yes I know you didn't but it was voted on by music critics.
>>124244823i’m completely willing to accept that. in fact, i even have a friendly little nickname for them; garbagemen
now playingstart of Bruckner: Symphony No. 8 in C Minor, WAB 108 (Remastered)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaN_3jez-hA&list=OLAK5uy_mB1JPKEG9yTTMyRYKzuzhz5-laBk2EvZk&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mB1JPKEG9yTTMyRYKzuzhz5-laBk2EvZk
>>124244871music critics are mentally retarded, more at 11
>>124244892ngl the pic does make me wanna try some more recordings by Nelsons, Seguin, and Thielemann, even though I've hated the few I've tried but admittedly it's only been a few.
>>124244823The problem isn't that he doesn't like Rach, I couldn't care less about what he or anyone else here likes, but his highly egoistic, arrogant and schizophrenic behavior. No one likes getting a shitty (You) every thread for every little detail they prefer, conductor, performer, instrument whatever. Especially when they reply to someone else. He's not everyone's mommy here and he may try to outlast my autism for all I care, still listening to Karajan, still listening to Rach, in fact, why not both?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX198THgIu8I'll be replying to him for all November, so don't bother replying to me again on this topic, thanks.>>124244841Evidently yes, sis.
>>124244963>I'll be replying to him for all November, so don't bother replying to me again on this topic, thanks.kek basedAnd hey I love Karajan and like Rach too, don't get me wrong, I'm just saying ya'll really need to keep mudslinging? But hey whatever floats ya'll's boat.
>>124244987Anyone who isn't mentally retarded doesn't dislike either. Personal preference is fine as long as you keep it personal.>ya'll really need to keep mudslinging?For this November, yes. Then I'll go back to ignoring him.
>>124245092>Anyone who isn't mentally retarded doesn't dislike either.Well now you're coming close to doing what he does. While I love Karajan, I can understand why someone wouldn't, and would prefer others. In any case, I say let's all listen to what we enjoy, and when people come around asking for suggestions, let all sides share their preferences and thoughts, and the person asking and other spectators can make up their own minds from there. But again, you guys do you.
I love the wide range of interpretations Bruckner's symphonies accommodate. Allows me to have several go-to's for each that I choose based on mood and which I have revisited most recently. Keeps it fresh and fun.
>>124245201What I'm saying is that anyone who dislikes a composer that has been praised for longer than a century at this point is definitely mentally ill or just trolling. I absolutely agree that we should let all kinds of opinions exist and thrive, this is not reddit. The opinions should never devolve into obsessive and excessive trolling, flooding and shitposting though, that essentially destroys the whole point of being here. If you haven't noticed, I've been ignoring most of his replies, and sometimes I get about 10 useless (You) complaints in a single thread, reminds me of my annoying woman neighbor complaining about loud speakers lol.
>>124245335fallacy of consensus
>>124245335Jeez, we have a pretty similar writing style.>What I'm saying is that anyone who dislikes a composer that has been praised for longer than a century at this point is definitely mentally ill or just trollingWhile I get where you're coming from, I don't agree with that, I can see why one wouldn't like Rachmaninoff or any number of other composers. Where I do meet you is I agree that anyone who believes such a composer has absolutely no redeeming qualities nor any appeal to anyone whatsoever is at best being disingenuous.
>>124245335>>124245662I should say, nor any appeal to anyone with informed knowledge and quality taste whatsoever*
>>124245662>anyone who believes such a composer has absolutely no redeeming qualities nor any appeal to anyone whatsoever is at best being disingenuous.Yes, that's what I've been meaning to say. Obsessively spamming is also a sign of mental illness though, let's not forget that.>>124245655No such fallacy applies to art and music.
>>124245764Anon, this 4chan, neurodivergence is both a prerequisite and part of the appeal.
>>124245809Also true. To an extent.
An archaic spider for archaic music.https://youtu.be/1byl3jJGJpc
>>124244963Didn't know Karajan performed any Rachmaninoff :O
>>124245904Apparently he loved Rach and planned to record symphonies too but for some reason it didn't happen. Sad.
>>124245951Huh, really? I always figured he must not have been a fan if he didn't record any, given I'm sure he had ample opportunity. Source?
personalized, gimmicky recording titles becoming a thing now? I don't mind, it's even kind of neat, it's just an interesting change -- or you might say an interesting departure from traditionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0GaOpJl6dM&list=OLAK5uy_k_mhGHGL70PYnbn1DPuGbY_DQV0qpQAyc&index=1
>>124245967>Many Austrian-German musicians of Karajan’s generation and even in the following ones disliked Rachmaninoff for his overt sentiment and called his music “kitsch”. Karajan didn’t. He had been very fond of it since his childhood, although in fact he conducted only one single work, the famous 2nd piano concerto. Plans for a recording of Rachmaninoff’s 2nd symphony in the 1960s unfortunately failed. Karajan performed the concerto 9 times up to 1953 with pianists like Rolf Langnese, Ferry Gebhardt, Friedrich Wührer and the great Walter Gieseking. His only studio recording (plus film) was another project with his friend Alexis Weissenberg in 1972/73. Weissenberg’s recording of the Rachmaninoff preludes in 1971 was one of Karajan’s favorite discs in his later years.https://karajan.org/stories/spotlight-rachmaninoff/
>>124246009Ok, this one is gross, but again, I appreciate the effort
>>124246009>or you might say an interesting departure from traditioni despise you and people like you
>>124246024Very cool, thank you for sharing. What a shame then, I have no doubt they would have been all-time recordings.
>>124244184Out of that list, Chailly is easily the best yeah
>>124246009>>124246027Oh, and this is the pair recording, so you have Arrival and Departure for Destination Rachmaninoff. Why, what does it mean, what's the point? Just marketing. Again, I like it though, a personalized title if a recording contains more than one work and the creators really think that the performances are something special.>>124246045Sorry, couldn't help myself.
>Beethoven 29 Sonatas Emil GilelsWhy not all 32? Especially No. 32. Favorite recordings of Waldstein and 32?
now playingRachmaninoff: 14 Songs, Op. 34: No. 14. Vocalise (arr. for orchestra)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkn8aZdcgfA&list=OLAK5uy_m8Th8ZCySEJ-czGZXVld4jmHximSSigJQ&index=2start of Rachmaninoff: Symphony No. 2 in E Minor, Op. 27https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQYd7vC3HA8&list=OLAK5uy_m8Th8ZCySEJ-czGZXVld4jmHximSSigJQ&index=2https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m8Th8ZCySEJ-czGZXVld4jmHximSSigJQ>Slatkin's performance here is simply remarkable all around. He is given virtuosic performances from the Detroit players. The phrase shaping and subtle rubato is also well-chosen. Tempos never drag and transitions into the many big moments of the score are handled so well that they never seem episodic (something which can plague many a Rachmaninov performance). And just when you think things cannot get any better, you are practically on your feet for the final 2 minutes of the fourth movement--yes, it is goose bumps musical time. This new Naxos release is probably one of the most thrilling performances of this work. The performance was recorded live which is only apparent at the very end when the audience explodes with appreciation. While I would not give up my other CDs used for comparison, this new release will certainly edge its way to the top. Let's hope for a long fruitful recording history with Slatkin and the Detroit Symphony! -- MaestroSteve on Xanga, February 14, 2010Slatkin's recordings of Rachmaninoff with St Louis are among the very best I've heard, so I have no doubt this more recent one with Detroit will also be stellar.
>>124246274I count Gilels' Beethoven as among my very favorites, my others being Backhaus, Kovacevich, and Kempff, probably in that order.So for the 32nd:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKAd57nghBwand Waldstein:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWVN7ICEvAsBut yes, also look up Kovacevich's recordings of them as well as his complete piano sonatas and bagatelles. Fug it, here's the start of his Waldstein and playlist for the rest:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juPqfM-_W90&list=OLAK5uy_nw7N6BAkN4FH8YXmotmx040VoLsCXXp5c&index=74
>>124246277Agreed.>>124246350Gilels has Waldstein, just exploring more recordings. Been enjoying that and 32 recently. Cheers.btw do you listen to atonal music? Schoenberg, Bartok, Webern etc.
>>124246425Oh I know, Gilels' Waldstein is the usual one I recommend to friends and newcomers to classical and Beethoven.I listen to and enjoy some music by each of those and other modernists, yeah, but I'm not close to being an expert like some other anons here. Why, what's up?
>>124246485>Why, what's up?Just curious.
>>124246528Stop datamining me!
>>124246547I never see you post them that's why
>>124242221Schoenberg was literally Jewish
>>124246566In the past week, I've posted about Schoenberg's Verklärte Nacht (arranged for string orchestra) and Pelleas und Melisande, trying out another cycle of Bartok's string quartets (Alban Berg Quartet's), Berg's violin concerto and piano sonata, and some other stuff. Actually, lately I've begun to get tired of the sound of peak romanticism so I've been venturing into modernist more than I ever have as of late, but it's not the kind of thing I can listen to all day.
>>124246566>>124246639er, by 'getting tired' I just mean I need a break and more variety, not that I hate the stuff or don't listen to romanticism at all, obviously.
Schoenberg is so good bros
>>124246661>>124246661Must've missed those lol. >I need a breakThat's understandable. But great music is supposed to be timeless (it is, for me as well).
>>124246639>>124246661Have you listened to Boulez?
>>124246809Yeah I've been especially obsessed with this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ3WLlF0CWM&list=OLAK5uy_lm1oiVHZDYx0_k0BjYtHn_lG9PIEjTGXc&index=25Mainly the Karajan recording but I wanna try some others, and Chailly is always a safe bet. And yes of course, but my tastes often work in phases, so something I love today I might not necessarily enjoy next week, and vice versa, though it generally comes back around.>>124246826Just some of his piano sonata no. 2, which I've been meaning to revisit with a closer listen. Otherwise, nah.
heard the postman whistling Ligeti this morning
>>124246906your re mom whistled some Webern in bed last night
>>124246045seething tradfag
>>124242250correct. even the most dissonant and chromatic chord progressions are just variations of diatonic progressions in major/minor triads, for example:(D, Eb, E, G) (Ab, A, C, Db)= Evi7+#7 AI7+b3= Em to AExample 2. - Opening of Alban Berg's Sonata:C - GIV11 - - - Cvi7 - BV7b13 - E7b5= S - T - Sp - D°p - T°phttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVkhnBNnNjE
>>124246955You m-m-motherfuc--
>>124246963I assumed he was upset about the pun (see: title of the recording in pic)
>>124246877>Yeah I've been especially obsessed with this:Sounds beautiful so far. I've only listened to the sextet, not orchestral arrangement, which sounds better to me. And I've never taken time to get into it, I'll be listening to this for a while as well.
>>124244963>>124245092>>124245335>>124245764lol, the garbageman is totally and utterly mindbroken>>124246277speaking of garbage…>>124246974put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
>>124247001The one on there is the same orchestral arrangement, no? But yes that's the main recording of it that I love. Also this recording contains those and all of the other stuff Karajan recorded of the three, unless you were just using that pic for emphasis, which I've done before too.
>>124247013go away. The adults are talking.
>>124247039if by adults you mean pedophiles, then yes. they truly are.
>>124246974So atonality doesn't 'formally' exist in your opinion? Do you instantly recognize the diatonic triads when listening to serial music? I doubt that.>>124247013Evidently not.>>124247035No idea. That's the pic on YT.
>>124246425>Bartok>atonalBatok's music is not atonal, in fact it is still tonal but it's so complex that he basically invented his own way of making tonal music. I'd say he isn't as easy as comprehend as other modernists and that's why he is relatively unpopular compared to Late Romantics and Serialists. His music is basically stretching the definition of tonality so much it gets really strange. But that's why I like him. Btw, I think some of the music he wrote is probably the most complex harmonically in 20th century.
>>124247061evidently so actually
>>124246877>Just some of his piano sonata no. 2, which I've been meaning to revisit with a closer listen. Otherwise, nah.Boulez is largely about texture - the density, the register, the instrumentation, etc. The succession of colors, pretty much. He is, after all, tremendously influenced by both Debussy and late Webern; you can't just listen to melodies in Boulez, it requires a keener ear. Ironically his later works are more accessible than his early works, which adhere more to hardline serialism.If you want a piece that is, by virtue of its scoring (cellos plus solo cello), rather melodic, try Messagesquisse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfwNYN8v3ucIf you like the wilder, more motoric stuff of Bartók and Stravinsky, this is pretty much where that one picks up. ...explosante-fixe..., being essentially a concerto, is accessible for the same reasons, but quite a bit denser (but also more beautiful and sensual imo): https://youtu.be/XJ9mNW3s6uEAmong the other orchestral works, Rituel is, by virtue of its solemn expression, also quite accessible: https://youtu.be/3WuwS94WDRQIt's less melodic than the two other works I mentioned, but quite close to the exotic soundworld of Debussy and late Webern. The next step would be the Notations, quite early, simple piano pieces which he's been transcribing into orchestral music over the years.https://youtu.be/0zGxGBEzLywThe mix of his old, simpler twelve-tone style and the super-advanced, colorful, occasionally even Wagnerian orchestration is just so amazing.If you finally do feel ready for the earlier serial stuff, start with Polyphony Xhttps://youtu.be/QZ_LD805znU(there's only one performance and recording of it, since Boulez abandoned it) and Boulez' most recent, mellower recording of Le Marteau sans Maitre.https://youtu.be/ljcDXPcWRvI
Any string orchestra arrangements of Bartok's string quartets? Feel like it'd be a nice way of listening to them.
>>124247080Quite untrue sis.
>>124247061>Do you instantly recognize the diatonic triads when listening to serial music? yes. listen to late romanticism before getting into expressionist and 12-tone pieces.
>>124247093very much true actually, garbageman>>124247098put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
>>124247086Awesome, thank you very much. I was reading a bit through his wikipedia page the other day and I made a mental note to listen to Le Marteau sans maître, so I will definitely start with that one and then work my way through the rest, as I screencapped your post for future reference, much appreciated.
>>124247098>listen to late romanticismWhat do you mean, specifically? That's what I usually listen to.>>124247107Very much false schizo sis, evidently.
feels like a Mahler 2 kind of dayNot sure if necessarily this recording, I just like posting the artwork from it and I've used the Bernstein (DG) ones far too often already.
>>124247148actually completely true, obsessed garbageman. also no one considers your hallmark movie music to be real late romanticism
>>124247167False.
>>124247160>mfw i get Resurrected
>>124247228evidently true, garbageman>>124247244someone please put him back into the grave.
>>124247251Evidently untrue sis.
>>124247251>someone please put him back into the grave.lolJust out of curiosity, are there any recordings from the Rattler that you do like?
>>124247257evidently true, obsessed mindbroken garbageman>>124247263nope, not even in the works he “specializes” in like mahler 10 or bruckner 8
>>124247267Easily falsified sis.
>>124247267Ah.>The symphonies of Gustav Mahler have been a central theme in Sir Simon Rattle's career. "[Mahler's Symphony No 2] was the piece that made me take up conducting in the first place when I heard it in a live performance when I was 12. Mahler aimed to put the entire world into a symphony and this world goes from the death rights of some unnamed hero through a memory of what life was in both its beauty and its horror and final resurrection and redemption. It's on a vast canvas with many, many performers and, for me, it is one of the most moving of all orchestral works."
>>124247278but still completely true, obsessed garbageman>>124247282worshipping mahler 2 must be a sign of low intelligence
>>124247292Undeniably false. And speaking of low intelligence
they dont make beethovens anymo
>>124247313you misspelled “undeniably true”
>>124247323Incorrect.
>>124247355actually right
>>124246993no i didnt even look at your pic puns are fucking gay and so are you
>>124247374Untrue honestly.
>>124247292>worshipping mahler 2 must be a sign of low intelligencelol I wonder if it's a generational thing because it seems to be a commonly held view by these older conductors and critics, whereas to me if I had to pick one that would rock someone's world and establish a lifelong emotional connection in this day and age, it seems obvious to pick a handful of his other symphonies first. However, maybe the 2nd just has that perfect combination of accessibility and opening up a new world of music.
>>124247400>>124247400>>124247400New bread
