Mozart The Goatzart EditionThis thread is for the discussion of classical music in the western tradition. Early Music, Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, Romantic and Modern all welcome.Ran Jia - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Piano Sonatashttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qBVE-Q83Fyw>How do I get into classical?This outdated link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious thread:>>124811014
debussy, ravel, faure, satie, poulencproust, flaubert, celine, huysman, gidegodard, truffaut, bresson, renoir, rivettecezanne, monet, matisse, manet, degasdeleuze, foucault, derrida, lyotard, baudrillardhow did the Fr*nch do ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nGrfIZCvQE
>>124834853French lit >>> french painting > french music >>>>>> fench philosophy
>>124834871Film below music btw
>>124834853fuck, I forgot I was gonna do one with poetsracine, rimbaud, baudelaire, mallarme, moliere>>124834871>thinks he can diagnose the post-modern condition and the 21st century societal structures without Deleuze, Foucault, Lyotard, and Baudrillarddon't sell them short my man
>>124834885Yea I was memeing. In fact french lit is goat, and french music is very weak by comparison against his own lit giants, but not bad. Phil is also very solid.
I dont get opera or ballet. The music is fine but I know I am missing something (the performance) when only listening. Yes I know the music stand on his own but still.
>>124834999Kinda sounds like you answered your own... statement. Do you at least read the libretto or a plot summary of the opera?
>>124834857>Woah, a self-thought modern composer.>Let's check out his violin concerto.>Oh, it uninspired literal garbage.Does he provide pedo services for the elites or something?
>>124835239That's funny but don't be too harsh, maybe anon wrote it himself.
>>124835270How else would you explain that his music is even being recorded. Because his music is the literal anti-thesis of classical music. The only similarity is the instruments being used.
>>124834853They've always been noted for their excellenceAlthough from what I know Foucault the person was a little questionable
>>124835239He has an L shaped cock which comes in handy with convincing folks
>>124834776I don't the smug aura that surrounds Mozart's works
>>124834853French culture didn't begin in the 19th century you know.
Anything else like Smetana's Ma Vlast?
what was the first classical?
>>124835857Haydn
For me it's Terry Riley - In C and Charlemagne Palestine - Strumming Music.
>>124835767I like bits but not really as a whole, it just drags on and on honestly.
>>124834853damn, not a single good artist the whole post
Mozart really wasn't that great though. His music is full of cliches that make me cringe when I hear them because they're so predictable.>descending or ascending line passing through 5, #4, 4, 3, etc>appoggiatura of #1 going to 2>or #2 going to 3>announcing a half cadence/modulation/end of a section with 3 beats starting on a note, going up an octave, then down 2 octaves>occasionally 1 or 2 bars of parallel minor mode mixture>scales, scales everywhere>inserting random turns or trills because -*~decorations~*->alberti bassYawn. Now Bach, that's a real composer.
>>124836366Truth be told Bach can be a little boring too
Wagner. Wagner... Wagner... Wagner... Wagner..... WagnerWagnerWagner... WAGNERWAGNERWAGNERWAGNERWAGNERWAGNERWAGNERWAGNERWAGNERWAGNERWAGNERWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERWagner.... Wagner.
>>124836642Literally never heard of him
>>124834776>Goatzart More like The Goatseart
>>124836556Every composer before and after romantic era can be and are boring in general. Only every piece of music worth a damn was composed during the so-called romantic era.
>>124837070No after is good, if anything it’s better
>>124837112>modernism>good
>>124836290You need to kill yourself
>>124837070My musical tastes are a little unusual. I like 1750 Bach and before, and Debussy after, and in the middle, l don't listen. Except for a little Beethoven. That's it. I never listened to Romantic music ever, not even a minute, lt is no part of my life, If all of it stopped tomorrow morning, I would not know!
>>124834853>debussy, ravel, Fine, alright music>faure, satie, LMFAO>poulenc proust, flaubert, celine, huysman, gide>godard, truffaut, bresson, renoir, rivette>cezanne, monet, matisse, manet, degas>deleuze, foucault, derrida, lyotard, baudrillardLiterally who?
>>124837070romanticism was a colossal mistake
>>124836290>>124834853French music is more tasteful than German firetruck music
>>124837070Based and truthpilled. It's funny when people pretend otherwise
>>124837338you need to be over 18 to post here
>>124791617>>124804740>>124814170>>124817645>>124826474https://litter.catbox.moe/qcbgm1.zip
>>124836366>BachI am sick and tired of this balding christcuck being shilled here for no absolute reason at all. Its even worse then schoenberg cucks who spam their degenerate atonality and bring down the level and calibre of the thread. We must collectively rise up against this retardation and divide these threads into two groups. One for discussion of /Romanticism/ with the exception of two composers i.e. Beethoven and Vivaldi. The other group should be termed /Degeneracy/ and everything other then romanticism should be discussed in those thread (like atonality, reddit debates, baroque, harPISSchord, violin and other shit like that)
Nobody cares about Bach, his work is too sterile and religious. No wonder the masochists here are so fucking obsessed with subjecting themselves to endless hours of bach torture for no fucking reason at all. Kek, nothing but inferior stupid rats.
> MY COMPOSER > YOUR COMPOSER!!!Please just STFU and have something better to do with your lives.
Wagner, retards, Wagner. Nothing else matters
>Bach and Wagner, who apparently have radical differences, are the musicians who basically resemble each other the most. Not as musical architecture, but as a substratum of sensibility. Are there two creators in the history of music who have expressed more widely and completely the indefinable state of languor? The fact that in the first it is divine and in the second erotic, or that one condenses the languor of his soul into a sound construction of absolute rigor and the other dilates his soul with a music of prolonged modulations, does not at all invalidate the fact that both have a deep sensitivity in common. With Bach, one is no longer in the world because of God; and with Wagner, because of love. The important thing is that both are decadent, that both tear life apart with a kind of negative impetus, both invite us to die outside of ourselves. And none of them can be understood except in weariness, in vital nothingness, in the joys of annihilation. Neither one nor the other can serve as an antidote to the temptation of not being.
>>124836366>>124836556Bach is shit.
>>124837338You're goddamn right it's fine, alright music
>>124837070Classical era music is about a perfection of form and counterpoint to its absolute ideal situations. Mozart made quite literally perfect music, where even more unexpected or avantgarde formal twists are made smoothly with clear, rational transitions. Attribute this to Enlightenment thinking of the time.Romantic era took everything perfected in the Classical era and threw it away for "emoshun" (AKA sloppy fortissimos and accelerandos).
>>124837413This post would be based were it not for the 'Christc*ck' part; that turns into cringe
>>124837489Romantic music took what classical managed in its miserable existence to come up with, and applied to actual music. Actual expression of soul. Only romantic music is worth a damn.
Wagner's genius was to apply the aleatoric motifs of Bach to the mystical transfiguration of the music drama. In the image of the German masters he dilates his soul to encompass the world-historical mission of ultimate musical expression.
>classicalfags>high attention span: value longterm motivic development>conservative: don't value novelty>modernfags>low attention span: value short motivic cells and interesting sounds over long term development>adventurous: willing to entertain any kind of novel sonority>romanticucks>worst of everything>conservative enough to be turned off by extreme sonorities but still valuing interstitial motivic cells within a chaotic thematic texture over slowly unfolding and perfectly arranged development sections
>>124837489perfectly boring music. I have never heard a Mozart piece that is interesting and few that are even memorable >>124837514Yup
>>124837426https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3K17QgkYNQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYM0Zbti-rA
>>124837441>He said calmly, in a classical music forum
First day of Christmas marathon. Disc 1. Starting with pic.
Usually don't enjoy soijak choir music but I'm quite liking Bach's Christmas Oratorio today-not sure why
>>124837840>ChristcuckmasTotally and utterly hated here. We prefer Yuletide as per Wagner, or Satanmass as per Scriabin.
Burn pagans at the stake
>>124837997https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdCwQPaVulUyeah
Wagner doomed us all. I just watched Barry Lyndon. Kubrick appropriately picked Handel but Schubert? Absolutely irritating. Sch*bert does not belong in a setting like this. Reprehensible behavior by Kubrick, although I commend the Jew for being such a chaotic little imp who mixed comedy with tragedy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI1O7HX2TKkIt would have been more appropriate to pick Albinoni. Especially the Adagio in G Minor. God what a hauntingly beautiful piece. This piece should have done a much better job in describing the Baroque. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u99f9RAvwu4
>>124838051Based.
Nobody cares about Bach, Mozart and Beethoven. Nobody gives TWO SHITS about baroque.Wagner, retards. Wagner. The only thing that matters, the only composer "THAT" matters, the only "MUSICIAN" that matters, the only "MUSIC" that FUCKING MATTERS.
Depending on the ticket price I would seriously consider going to a Wagner opera, say Tannhauser, listening to the Overture and then walking out; skip all the boring shit and have a couple of beers instead. If it's like a fiver it would be well worth it
>>124838144Obviously. There must be a law that mandates praying to Wagner before opening a /classical/ thread. Anyhow this is what Kubrick said about featuring Wagner in Eyes Wide Shut >Kubrick originally intended to feature "Im Treibhaus" from Wagner's Wesendonck Lieder, but the director eventually replaced it with Ligeti's piece feeling Wagner's song was "too beautiful"."Too Beautiful". Was it really his honest view? Or did he just made up a lie and intentionally avoided Wagner.
>>124838178opera tickets are ludicrously expensive even compared to regular symphony concerts so good luck with that. you'd be paying like $100 at cheapest for 20 minutes of music max.
>>124838191Wagner raped him.
Excellence was already attained. There is no point in living now. Wagner achieved everything there was to achieve. From this moment onwards I will start pouring libations in the honor of Dionysus and Wagner.
>Greatest melody ever written in classical music, with timestampPost em.And listen!https://youtu.be/VmFmAvwO1pE?si=d06oVLrqFdtKhXTC&t=267
it may be time for sisterposting to make a comeback
>>124838259We are fine, thanks
>>124838310evidently not
>>124838312hi
>>124838253>>124838256Wagner and Chopin, two sides of the same "I only write for one genre and beat everyone else at it" coin.
>>124838323hi>>124838337the talentless hack coin?
>>124838337the talented genius coin?
>>124838352talented at wearing dresses and frilly skirts maybe
>>124838352talented at writing music and claasy hits maybe
>>124838413music about being a little princess who wears dresses and blouses with bows and strawberries embroidered on them
>>124838413music about being a mighty patriot who wears suits and rings with gold and diamond embroidered on them
>>124838498nigga wears diamond rings like he’s getting engaged to a man LMFAOOOOO
>>124838498gigachad wears diamond rings like he’s getting engaged to a woman, again!
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>>124838588married to a GUY
>>124838588married to a GAL
>>124838613with a COCK
>>124837840First day of Christmas marathon. Disc 2. Now an Oratorio.
now playing, more Satie, now orchestralhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ydcx2q5hY4&list=OLAK5uy_mkrww9-aB0O9O573aRYJHhJh-v5YRatsw&index=1I honestly have no idea what to expect this to sound like after listening to two different recordings of his solo piano music last night and then this morning. Should be interesting.>>124837840>>124838633Nice, I should check some of these out, I've really only ever heard Bach's Christmas Oratorio as far as this kind of music goes.
>>124838613with a PUSSY
>>124838662>he thinks he knows anything 'bout SatieListen to Vexations for 10 hours and then come back, kiddo.
>>124838337Liszt beats Chopin
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The sister poster is back to fantasizing and obsessing about trannies for some reason
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>>124838859it’s the reasonable conclusion for a fruity ass nigga who wears diamond rings as a man
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>>124838959Kek based
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>>124837399note: tracks 2 and 3 have mismatched tags. the latter ought to be entitled Andante, not Menuetto.
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Bach vs Beethoven?
>>124839221Hack vs Hack?
>>124839221Beethoven obviously.
>>124839220scoot scoot lil bro you movin to the gay bar like the wheelchair emoji
Who is this dude talking in the clip? Wim doesn't give a name but the guy seems basedhttps://youtu.be/F-WfaMAjSTs?t=219
>>124839221For me, Bach. I have 23 albums of him in the digital collection.
>>124839299Stephen Gawkin was a genius
>>124837514>>124837628>Romantisloppers talking about soul while being too stupid to understand mozartIf Mozart doesn't make you feel anything, you do not understand music or art.
>>124838051>>124838114>>124838144>>124838191So true wagnersister
>>124839343Makes me feel annoyed at that Austrian prick and his prissy little ditties
Has classical or mu ever done one of those tournament things to see what the ranking of composers is here?
>>124839220march march elf bro you movin to the Telperion like a chad
now playingstart of Saint-Saëns: Le Carnaval des Animaux, R. 125https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLl2Jjj6Jv4&list=OLAK5uy_mKSmEJXotx7zjF8oJd9_E_EbDG4odXHxQ&index=2start of Poulenc: Concerto for 2 Pianos and Orchestra in D minor, FP 61https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ8rtOCNxt8&list=OLAK5uy_mKSmEJXotx7zjF8oJd9_E_EbDG4odXHxQ&index=16Say: Nighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-LrGsMyWNU&list=OLAK5uy_mKSmEJXotx7zjF8oJd9_E_EbDG4odXHxQ&index=18>The Jussen brothers perform Saint-Saens' Le Carnaval des Animaux, Poulenc's Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra, both recorded with the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra and the world premiere recording of a Fazil Say piece written for the brothers, "Night."
What is the latest period you would consider classical? I don't think most would seriously consider minimalism or contemporary classical as part of the same tradition as the masters. So where did it stop? Or do you believe both of those are still in the tradition? In which case, why are contemporary composers so rarely talked about in this general?
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Schnittke's Choir Concertohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mjnUAjqtKQ
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>>124839545Aquarium is the best piece by far
>>124839633Sick boy GENIUS (straight) wheeler
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>>124834853>deleuze, foucault, derrida, lyotard, baudrillardThose guys were some serious retards. You cannot even begin to fathom the damage they did to philosophy. They're the worst of the worst>Now playing:Prokofiev's Second Piano Concerto, by Evgeny Kissinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iGxsoN29G0
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This interaction is a form of poetry.
>>124839862you mean your ass likes COCK straight up
do you guys have any more classical guitar?
>>124839581Choir Concerto, eh? Neat.
>>124839739They didn't really 'do' anything, they were just analyzing it. At most, they created conceptual tools for that purpose, the practice of philosophy in the (post)modern world. My point is, blame the world and those who caused it, not the people who were just describing it.
>>124840113https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rND7JVGCa30
>>124839899Yes, I'm screencapping it all in preparation for study, imitation, and use in my future novel consisting largely of *chan posts by a motley cast of neurodivergent characters.
>>124840172i dont really like this one
feels like a Mahler 5 day
>>124840159They are to blame for poststructuralism and deconstruction, both nonsense schools that have dominated philosophy and humanities for quite a few decades, unfortunately. But anyways, your choices of artists was pretty good, and indeed, the french produced many greats between the 18th and 20th centuries
>>124839862you mean your cock likes PUSSY straight down
now playingstart of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 24 in C minor, K.491https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pONdi7lvVJY&list=OLAK5uy_lico75uGg0t5HCMZykjKWXgI7uXuqeGIg&index=2start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 27 in B Flat Major, K. 595https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IuZ5tNoots&list=OLAK5uy_lico75uGg0t5HCMZykjKWXgI7uXuqeGIg&index=10>Acclaimed pianist Alicia de Larrocha performs Mozart's piano concertos numbers 24 to 27.Mozart's concertos were of deep significance to the composer himself, and the four selected for this recording are among the finest. Number 24, written in Vienna in 1786, is often described as the most powerful Mozart concerto.Alicia de Larrocha was described by Time magazine as "one of the world's most outstanding pianists", and lent her talents to most of the major classical works for piano during her 76-year career.Recording also contains the 25th and 26th, as one can tell from the picture.
>>124839221Nothing Bach ever wrote has an inch on Beethoven's "Moonlit Sonata." And have you heard his "9th Symphony?"Pretty much all the music you listen to is rooted in Beethoven. Name any composer--literally any; provided they aren't shit, all of their styles ultimately derive from Beethoven's revolutionary masterpieces.And buy in large, the Romantic era is far better than the shitty Classical period of bourgeois chamber music and Baroque autism. There's a reason names like Rimsky-Korsakov, Tchaikovsky, Bartók, Chopin, Liszt, Wagner, and Mahler are far more known to the contemporary public than obscure faggots like Gluck, Scarlatti, Handle, Bieber, Haydin, and Gesualdo. They actually composed listenable music that wasn't just two-note circlejerks over the same harmonic sequence OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Goddamn Classical music sucked ass. You retarded for calling Beethoven shit: you're obviously too much of a pleb to enjoy him. Beethoven created and defined what we know as "music," and he marked the point where classical music turned from boring Zzzquil made for overpriveleged aristocrats and Popes to actual powerful beautiful music for the sake of art.
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>/vagina/
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Um, can we go back to talking about Wagner, guys?
>this is /classical/ in 2024
Why is it almost every composer and conductor of Wagner's era considered him it's greatest, and an equal to Beethoven?Seriously there seems to be a lot of contention around him but this also seems to be an undeniable fact.
>>124842259great questions all around wagnersister
Best Mahler's 6th?Zander?
>>124838633First day of Christmas marathon. Disc 3. >Monteverdi>Christmas Vespers
>>124842371The most common answer is Bernstein/Vienna. The Zander one is pretty contentious as to its quality -- those who like it love it, and those who don't really hate it. I say that because it's possible you might end up thinking it's one of the best. As with all Mahler pieces, there is almost no consensus as to the best.
>>124842371i don’t think anyone has a straight answer to the 6th, but whatever it is, it’s definitely not zander the pedophile
>>124842371The one that got me to first fall in love with it is Solti's.
feels like a Bruckner 9 afternoonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj8ErtNd2hI&list=OLAK5uy_nkH7axgjXjUA99TQy6RlvxykJIuxR3DiU&index=1
What specific elements makes a piece as well as a performance "Wagnerian?"
>>124842648>piecechromatic harmony, programmaticism, usage of leitmotif>performanceflexibility in tempo, tendency to reorchestrate for larger orchestral forces, and especially among later wagnerian conductors, a tendency towards slowness as a means to achieve profundity.
>>124842695Much appreciated.
>>124842710also dont forget both of them are trans
>>124842738That's the one thing I already knew, don't worry.
>>124842738But enough about metal.
>>124842824that’s just gay and retarded, not quite trans
>>124842375Very noisy today at home. Will need another listening. The albums is very good. Maybe first of today.
>>124842997Maybe *best of today.
now playingstart of Faure: Piano Quintet No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 89https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RzRj4cZGzo&list=OLAK5uy_lNhfpJAJcQQCduEsbuXu3wpKMmhg1ttvg&index=2start of Faure: Piano Quintet No. 2 in C Minor, Op. 115https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AADVLeihSr0&list=OLAK5uy_lNhfpJAJcQQCduEsbuXu3wpKMmhg1ttvg&index=4Brilliant recording of these pieces, gonna have to look into the Auryn Quartet's other releases.
>>124834776Yes, friendly reminder that Mozart is the greatest of all time. Indisputably
I've been listening to western classical for 20 years now, and suddenly i get this random recommendation from persian guy. https://youtu.be/-bS3hn1ogzosome of the most emotional, transcendental music i ever heard, almost made me cry.Is there anything else remotely like this?
This is how I feel about Gustav Mahler. His music changed my life. But at the time, I didn’t know why.Now I do.The first time I heard him was probably in 2008 or 2009. I was starting to get into classical music. Even all these years later, I still don’t understand the musical language of classical music, with all its arpeggios, recapitulations, development sections, etc, in the same way that I thoroughly understand jazz or the blues. I don’t care how many Leonard Bernstein lectures I’ve seen and heard over the years explaining classical music to beginners; I still really don’t get it. But I know what speaks to me at an energetic, emotional level.Mahler speaks the language of autism.
>>124843483Let me explain:I remember what I was doing when I first heard Mahler. I was at Laguardia Airport in New York City, waiting to board a flight back to Detroit after attending a board of directors meeting for an autism organization. I had my first iPod out and was looking for something to listen to. I had a couple of hours of wait time to board my flight and saw a symphony that lasted around 80 minutes. It was Mahler’s second symphony. I expected breezy Mozartian-type music. I didn’t know a Mahler from a Bach. What I got instead was a philosophical statement. It was a world in itself — larger than life. I heard nature sounds, Klezmer Music, doubt, angst, despair, exaltation, glory, etc. Any human emotion in existence was somehow contained within this one symphony. “What the heck did I just listen to”?, I thought. Then, I had to compare him to other composers like him to see if this was just a “Mahler thing” or something all composers possessed. Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Beethoven, and even Shotstokovich all had some of the same qualities — music that oscillated in emotional intensity, etc. Shostakovich put coded messages within his music during the Soviet era and had very important things to say as a composer about life. But there was something different about Mahler. What was it?I didn’t know it then, but it was Mahler speaking the language of autism. At least, that’s how my ears hear it.
https://files.catbox.moe/qx4vxb.mp3
>>124843505Part of that is Mahler. He never actually gives his listeners answers. He just asks an endless series of questions in a million different repetitive ways; paradoxically, each reiteration is endlessly fascinating. But only partially satisfying. And that hunger, which can never be satisfied, is ironically part of what is enjoyable about Mahler’s music. He gives you a million things to think about and lets you sort it all out.Mahler was a contradictory figure. He was born into a Jewish household with an abusive father and, during childhood, suffered the deaths of several siblings. Later on in life, to support himself financially and be accepted in the time and place he was living in, he converted to Catholicism. He was masking big time! Theorists hold to the belief he was a lifelong agnostic. This begs the question…how could this man write a symphony about resurrection when he might not have fully believed in God? Mahler leaves this for you to solve the riddle. It’s one of his many contradictions.The deaths of his siblings haunted him for the rest of his life. His wife, Alma, cringed when he wrote an entire song cycle in 1904 about Songs On The Death of Children that contained a vast spectrum of oscillating emotions, characteristic of Mahler’s music. Alma couldn’t understand why Mahler would do this. They had children by this point in time. Why would he write about such terrible, even unthinkable things? He surely was tempting fate. As fate would have it, one of his daughters died three years later.
>>124843532Mahler shows up on some lists identifying retrospective autistic figures of the past. But this diagnosis is far from definitive and very speculative. I can’t really say with any certainty Mahler was actually autistic. We can say with far more certainty that Mahler was the Van Gogh of classical music: He very likely had bipolar disorder and was thus neurodiverse.
>>124843539Still, I don’t know. His music oozes something I can only describe as “autistic musicality.” Leonard Bernstein said…>But still I admit it’s a problem to be both a conductor and a composer; there never seems to be enough time and energy to be both things. I ought to know because I have the same problem myself, and that’s one of the reasons why I’m so sympathetic to Mahler: I understand his problem. It’s like being two different men locked up in the same body; one man is a conductor and the other a composer, and they’re both one fellow called Mahler (or Bernstein). It’s like being a double man. But with him, with Mahler, the problem was much worse even; he was a double man in every single part of his musical life. And today we’re going to try and get a picture in our minds of this double man, by listening to his music, and discovering how the battle between those two different Mahlers inside him made his music come out sounding the original way it does.
>>124843473not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead>>124843483>>124843505>>124843532>>124843539>>124843555now this is funny
Most classical composers repeat their themes, develop them, and redevelop them even more. But Bernstein has an answer to that, too.But then, of course, you’ll say, “Doesn’t every composer go from happy to sad and back again? I mean, it’s true of Mozart, isn’t it, and Bach and everyone?” Yes, but no composer goes quite so far in each direction, so happy and so sad. When Mahler is sad, it is a complete sadness; nothing can comfort him, it’s like a weeping child. And when he’s happy, he’s happy the way a child is — all the way. And that’s one of the keys to the Mahler puzzle: He is like a child; his feelings are extreme, exaggerated, like young people’s feelings. That’s another reason why it’s so especially right to have you come to his birthday celebration; I think young people can understand Mahler’s feelings even better than older ones. Once you understand that secret of his music — the voice of the child — you can really love his music.So that’s the main secret about him. He was struggling all his life to recapture those pure, unmixed, overflowing emotions of childhood. I’m sure you’ve all had emotions like that, that filled-up feeling that nature sometimes makes you have, especially in the spring, when you almost want to cry because everything is so beautiful. Well, Mahler’s music is full of those feelings and full of the sounds of nature, like bird calls and hunting horns and forest murmurs — which are all part of his idea of beauty, childlike beauty. Here was this grown-up, very sophisticated, learned man, with children of his own and a heart full of struggles between the different voices fighting inside him, always trying to feel pure and innocent again, like a child. And that, too, is another one of those battles he had, the battle of the double man — half man, half child.
Mahler endlessly repeated his musical ideas in different ways— does this sound like perseveration to you? He would insert a musical idea into a place where you would least expect it — does this sound like a non-sequitur? He would insert nature calls into many of his works — do you know any autistics who don’t love animals and nature? His work almost belies a certain kind of literalism as he takes what he hears into the real world and inserts it directly into music. Birds chirping, hammers coming down, military marches, trains, cowbells, Klezmer music he heard growing up — the list could go on and on. He could take many different kinds of music, see patterns between them that might possibly escape a neurotypical’s attention, and integrate them into a cohesive whole. If Mahler doesn’t answer the questions he probes, there is never any doubt about how he feels at any given time. In my opinion, no other composer expresses their emotions as profoundly as Mahler. I believe that composing helped with his emotional regulation in that he could take these extreme emotions that he might have had trouble naming and channel them directly into his music. Who knows, he might have written an entire symphony on alexithymia if he knew what it was in his day!And then, there are all of the questions Mahler asked in his music — his endless curiosity and creativity. Sure, all the romantics probed the mysteries of life, death, alienation, and solitude. But Mahler did it in a remarkably autistic way. He loved to juxtapose the sacred and the profane side by side, almost as if he were conducting a science experiment to see what would happen. He would take grotesque melodies in his scherzos and make some humorous and somehow non-threatening. He probed, and probed, and probed and probed. And it all oozes autistic musicality to me.
>>124843710And then there are his symphonies, all 10 of them (9 completed ones). Each one is entirely different from all the others. Each one takes contradictory positions. Each one has something unique to say. And each one of them is a universe in itself.If you listen to Symphony №2, you might think that Mahler believes death is a glorious, exhilarating, and redemptive process. But try listening to Symphony 6, and Mahler seems to come to a very different, almost opposite conclusion about death. And yet again, Symphony 4 comes to another variation about how a child would view the afterlife. And then again, in Symphony 9, when Mahler was near the end of his life, the actual sounds of resignation entered his music. One thing is for sure: He returned to the same themes again and again and explored them until there was no longer any uncharted territory left. This sounds a lot like autistic musicality to me.I am not a Mahler scholar. I am not even an expert on classical music. But I do know autism when I hear it.
>>124843719If you ever feel like the world doesn’t make sense, try listening to Mahler. He’s struggling to make sense of it right along with you. He’s asking the same questions we autistics ask today. What is the meaning of it all? Why is life so hard that I have to pretend to be something I am not (think of Mahler’s conversion)? Why can’t I permanently find repose in nature where the social laws of the jungle don’t apply? Why is my emotional expression so extreme that I have to resort to a “special interest” to put how I am feeling into form?You might find Mahler to be a pleasant companion when you need one.
now playingstart of Medtner: Violin Sonata No. 1 in B Minor, Op. 21https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DqVdm0woxc&list=OLAK5uy_nP86TXBqBE-g8f7R5w7JA_OgLgWXssKbw&index=2start of Medtner: Violin Sonata No. 2 in G Major, Op. 44https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT_5AvSBggg&list=OLAK5uy_nP86TXBqBE-g8f7R5w7JA_OgLgWXssKbw&index=4
>>124843473In the western tradition, look for early music from Spain. Lute or renaissance guitar.
>>124843473>some of the most emotional, transcendental kek
>>124839552since the German common practice tradition which began with Pachelbel ended with Reger and Richard Strauss I would put the date around 1918.After World War I, the idea of a composer as someone who worked for a noble court and wrote primarily in common practice forms with common practice tonalites became outdated.
gergiev's de bussyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGo0fbemKVw&list=OLAK5uy_muJvQboo3rQWkQaZG6p8fUW4PpuIaaA5Q&index=1>Valery Gergiev has been performing Debussy s music regularly with the LSO since he became Principal Conductor in 2007. For his latest LSO Live release, he presents his first recordings of three Debussy favorites, including a sensational performance of La mer. Widely considered one of the twentieth century s most innovative and influential composers, Debussy was a musical impressionist, although it was a term he disliked. Despite running to little over ten minutes in duration, the sublime Prélude à l après- midi d un faune is regarded as one of the most important and revolutionary of musical works. La mer was completed ten years later whilst Debussy was living in England and is a spectacular orchestral showpiece. Jeux, one of Debussy s final orchestral works, was written for Diaghilev and the Ballets Russes.>''Gergiev whips up the opening storm [La mer] into quite a frenzy, while the closing pages generate thrilling momentum and lashings of elemental excitement... The LSO respond with 100 per cent commitment [Jeux]... there's no missing the communicative ardour and narrative flair which inform Gergiev's conducting.'' --Gramophone Magazine>''Jeux turns out to be Valery Gergiev's game, set and match. The ambiguity and transience of the music are captured with fleet-footed energy, wit and real piquancy.'' --International Record Review>''When Gergiev conducted this performance of the Prélude 12 months ago at the Barbican, I described it as a luscious mirage of pointilliste detail. The recording captures its mesmerising force, its atmospheric languor and exceptional beauty. La mer and Jeux are scarcely less exalted, suggesting Gergiev's partnership with the London Symphony Orchestra still has honeymoon qualities.'' --Financial Times
>>124839552>In which case, why are contemporary composers so rarely talked about in this general?basically what happened is the palette available to composers expanded so much over the period from 1850 to 1950 that the classical tradition lost its roots and can never go back to the days before Pandora's box was opened.
Mahler is fucking shit.
>>124844631>La Mermore like La Flaque D'eau
>>124844709tru, I've never understood why it's so beloved and highly regarded. It's fine, but one of the peaks of 20th century music? Must be more enjoyable live or something.
>>124844786>I've never understood why it's so beloved and highly regardedapparently because Debussy wrote it. If someone less famous composed La Mer it would've been forgotten.
>this kills the HIPsterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ohhMWyHms&list=OLAK5uy_mxIuJ5IyI50nfQ-jtm3GyGpVeGcGnlfQU&index=3>The review of this live performance in 1995 expains it all:>"What fire, what enthusiasm has been kindled in two weeks of intense preparation under Celididache!....The unworldly transition into the 'Lacrimosa', the baroque joy of the 'Domine Jesu', the sweeping melodic power of the 'Quam olim Abrahae', and (in the Introitus) an opening that comes from another world, so definitive but so removed from all personal desires - what we experienced here surpassed all description. We must suppose, indeed, that we will never again hear this work in all its perfection."
>>124844856Same Celibadanon from last threads?
>>124844900NoFor no man is the same as before they listened to Celibidache's recordings.
>>124844856it kills pretty much anyone who’s unfortunate enough to hear it by putting them to sleep forever like a sick puppy
now playingstart of recording playlisthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffycQlh5unE&list=OLAK5uy_kehB1-JgaWkrGnxpdSbSF4R8W8KB5hP0Q&index=1>Swedish pianist Leif Ove Andsnes follows his string of award-winning Beethoven concerto recordings with a new album of solo piano works by Finnish composer, Jean Sibelius. Sibelius wrote over 150 works for the piano, but the composer's works for the instrument have long languished in the shadow of his orchestral music. Andsnes scoured Sibelius' entire piano output, carefully selecting the pieces he believes deserve recognition and with which he feels a strong personal connection, uncovering intriguing works with the wonderful Sibelius qualities we know. This new recording includes the composer's own piano arrangement of his famous Valse triste, excerpts from the popular Ten Pieces Op 24 and early Six Impromptus Op 5, as well as the piano score that is often considered Sibelius' finest: the expressive Three Lyric Pieces Op 41 subtitled Kyllikki. An important aspect for Andsnes in compiling the recording was to follow the chronology of the works which span most of Sibelius' career. The pianist sees himself on a mission to present this neglected facet of the Finnish composer.>Sibelius wrote over 150 works for the pianoThat's shocking. I expected to find either nothing or like ten or so miniatures.
>>124845277Choral music is pretty forgiving and even amenable to slow tempi. As in, while Celi's symphony recordings undoubtedly sound perverse in comparison to the mean, in that Mozart Requiem and his other choral stuff he's only like a shade or two at most slower than Richter, Klemperer, etc. Granted, it's not just about tempo, as his vocalists sing like they just off the IV morphine drip, but still.
>>124845324Interesting anon, saving pic for a later research.
>>124845365dude, no amount of excuses and cope is going to change the fact that the recording itself sounds like shit. klemperer’s requiem is not any better so i have no idea why you’re using that turd as a yardstick
>>124842055Says the insomutt in denial kek
>>124845771i’m not in denial of you being a terminally online underage indian /pol/tard porn addict, in fact i fully admit to it. do you?
Favorite recordings/sets of Ravel's solo piano music? Can't find the Pascal Roge one so trying to find another. Half I've tried have been good, half not worth ever listening again, and I feel like there's gotta be a much better one out there.
>>124845466Hope you enjoy!
>>124845801You are in denial of being unhealthily obsessed with an imageboard to the point where you visit it every single day and reply to every single thing you can, insomutt
Where's that anon who's always talking about Liszt's 1 hour Hammerklavier? Just discovered this. I know most of you guys hate slow performances of this piece so I'll just post it and then run awayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3QsRqSFYGA&list=OLAK5uy_mLSMeOGYOivq1kIRIMwxTndr1lXMq_e60&index=1
>>124846047GAAAAAAAAAAA I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HATE IT SO MUCH WORST PERFORMANCE EVER
>>124791617>>124804740>>124814170>>124817645>>124826474>>124837399https://litter.catbox.moe/asv8t6.zip
>>124839739Baudrillard was right about everything.
>>124834776nobody listens to wolfpussy amagayus unczart bitch nigga...ysayehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0R2uLjrW3k
>>124839552nobody talks about classical today the same reason nobody talks about any good art today its all been subsumed by capital intensive pop culture and relegated to a ghostly academic and/or upper class status in the world. believe it or not people used to actually know culture, my grandma who was dumb as nails could still recite poems from her youth and knew the names of composers, not because she was some enthusiast in those things, but because culture still existed and was part of the human experience instead of being minimized to a kind of specialist area of expertise because they got pushed out of the collective consciousness by mass capital funded fortnite ads and tiktok ai generated npc culture.
>>124836366This>>124846380Moshart
>>124846453>my grandma who was dumb as nailsDont talk about your grandma like that
>>124845821I really like 'Miroirs' by André Laplante. The Labeque sisters have another one which I think is great, but it's played in their usual, extremely soft and slow style, so it's not for everyone>>124846376No
>>124846453>>124844636>>124844515Translation:>I'm a retard that is too lazy to challenge myself, so I keep listening to the same established composers instead of trying to find anyone new because I am not able to critique things on their own merit and I need to judge composers on their popularity>also dissonances are skawy
>>124843261Brahms never wrote anything as good as this.
Why do people keep recommending orchestral pieces when you "start" with classical music? Sounds like a pretty stupid idea. Rock music and related genres have made people more accustomed to smaller ensembles than larger ones; it makes infinitely more sense to recommend string quartets, piano trios, sonatas, etc. to them than to recommend a symphony or concerto. Especially since orchestras are notoriously harder to record, and a bad recording can sometimes make entire sections completely inaudible, so either you need to be very specific in what recordings you recommend to this hypothetical guy, or you tell him to go see an orchestra perform live, which also is kind of retarded due to it being extremely reliant on what region he is from. Is it that hard to just recommend the guy some fucking chamber music? For most notable composers it makes up their best work anyways.
>>124837413>>124837472>>124837070>>124837372>>124837514So true musically illiterate sisters
>>124846047>mfw listening to this recordingKidding aside, I feel like the ideal speed is the one most performers of the early to mid 20th century had defaulted to: decently fast but not metronome-tier. If you're doing a fortepiano recording I like it better as close to metronome speed as possible, but a modern piano opens more doors and I feel a slightly slower performance works better there due to the different capabilities of the modern piano. This, however, is just way too slow. The piece is obviously written to have an atleast slightly virtuosic nature, this just sounds amateurish and not impressive at all.
>>124846047Is the total performance over 1 hour? Liszt said it's ALMOST 1 hour, not over
Bachhttps://youtu.be/uCxnokdgJpMThe recording sounds so crystal clear, great job on the part of Teije Van Geest. I also quite like the intepretation on Rübsam's part. Very nice recording.
>>12484797158 min for that one.
>>124847671You've got a point, however a lot of people starting out and looking for recommendations often specifically ask for symphonies.
>>124846362Thanks!
>>124848291People who start out always go for the most well known thing, you gotta be the one to tell them to have patience.
>>124848309tomorrow will be the last day. things to note: the title tags have an annoying comma after their respective catalogue number if the quartet had been given a nickname, such a dissonance; and, the artist tag is quartett instead of the english use quartet. what recompense do you intend on giving me for the efforts i have displayed?
>>124847401I appreciate your enthusiasm, but the Sextets? Piano and Clarinet Quintets?
>>124847671People recommend based on what they already like, not based on the listener needs.
>>124842375>Day 2 of Christmas marathon. Disc 4.
>>124847401too bad it’s worse than brahms' worst chamber piece.
>>124847671>>124848756Speak for yourselves. I got into classical through orchestral music. Orchestra is one of the greatest achievements of humanity, there's no excuse to dislike it. Same can't be said of chamber music.
trying another recent recording of Franck's Symphony in D minor, look at these tracktimes>16:19>9:11>9:57That's blisteringly fast.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usf8is5eMp8&list=OLAK5uy_nyUEvfrTuyWGZTjlGxnWak1lo45-Np6gc&index=1
>>124848924Lmao didn't know we had firemen here.
Scriabin is light.Scriabin is truth.Scriabin is good.Scriabin is enlightenment.Scriabin is the fire.Scriabin is the torch.Scriabin is law.Scriabin is civilization.Scriabin is power.Scriabin is sophistication.Scriabin is order.Scriabin is progress.Scriabin is the Messiah.Scriabin is grace.Scriabin is the mystery.Scriabin is the puzzle.Scriabin is the singularity.Scriabin is the riddle.Scriabin is the king.Scriabin is the lord.Scriabin is the deity.Scriabin is Faust.Scriabin is Prometheus.Scriabin rules Hyperborea.Scriabin is the Pharaoh.Scriabin is Zarathustra.Scriabin is Orpheus.Scriabin is immortal.Scriabin is the messenger.Scriabin invented the numeral system.Scriabin created zero.Scriabin devised the first language.Scriabin created multiplication.Scriabin is the oracle.Scriabin is the river running high.Scriabin is the deep sea.Scriabin is the dark doom.Scriabin is the chosen one.Scriabin is the prophet.Scriabin is the rebel.Scriabin is yin.Scriabin is yang.Scriabin is equilibrium.Scriabin is providence.Scriabin is the provider.Scriabin is the trough.Scriabin is the crest.Scriabin is Apollo.Scriabin is Dionysus.
Scriabin created the world.
>>124849067>>124849080Blessed.
>>124848924Its not about being the best. When someone ask for "how to start into classical" people jump to recommend his favs, but the question wasnt "give me the best" but "recs for people new into classical". Its not the same.
>>124848777>Day 2 of Christmas marathon. Disc 5.
>>124849142Which is why the list/post I wrote and always paste for those people contains starter pieces from every form :D
>>124849150Found any particular favorites yet? Ones added to your list of revisiting yearly?
>>124849230Hard to tell in first listening, but so far Monteverdi is best>>124842375And this is the more christmas-y in the modern Home Alone movie sense>>124837840All are keepers with >>124848777 being the most bland/weakA revisit could change things as always
now playingWeinberg: Rhapsody on Moldavian Themes, Op. 47, No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wioHyRSWAdY&list=OLAK5uy_n_uamofCcwg2IcQD9GY-kk87nWXk1_XCs&index=2start of Weinberg: Symphony No. 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl7-myW6oLE&list=OLAK5uy_n_uamofCcwg2IcQD9GY-kk87nWXk1_XCs&index=2>Weinberg is increasingly recognized as one of the outstanding composers of the second half of the twentieth century. His Rhapsody on Moldavian Themes is a concise medley of tunes that embrace folk influence, both melancholic and high spirited, culminating in a joyous and unstoppable dance. Scored for a very large orchestra and a children's choir, Symphony No. 6 is a work of huge expression, anguished and dynamic, encompassing lament, circus gallops, burlesque, and a cataclysmic and heartrending slow movement. Weinberg's friend, Shostakovich, was so impressed that he used it as teaching material in his own classes. >The Symphony No. 6 for boy's chorus and orchestra Op. 79 (1963) helped establish Weinberg's reputation within Russia and remains his best-known composition. This is a work of huge expression, encompassing lament, circus gallops, burlesque and a heartrending slow movement. The Rhapsody on Moldavian Themes is a concise and joyous medley of folk-influenced tunes. --WQXR Radio
>>124848893As much as I love Brahms, I don't know about that. You don't like Faure's chamber music?
>>124843532>how could this man write a symphony about resurrection when he might not have fully believed in God?Truth be told I don’t find that a difficult thing to imagine
Guitar classical https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AEjcU12qJWw&pp=ygUqc2hvc3Rha292aWNoIHByZWx1ZGUgYW5kIGZ1Z3VlIGluIEEgZ3VpdGFy
I like how shit the clavichord looks and sounds it’s a fat blue bottle lazily buzzing against against a window
>>124848045Glen Gould does a very good version of this
>>124849678kill yourself
>>124849842https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e3pizBY136E&pp=ygUoZ2xlbm4gZ291bGQgY2hyb21hdGljIGZhbnRhc2lhIGFuZCBmdWd1ZQ%3D%3D
>>124849901not clicking shit
>>124849913https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e3pizBY136E&pp=ygUoZ2xlbm4gZ291bGQgY2hyb21hdGljIGZhbnRhc2lhIGFuZCBmdWd1ZQ%3D%3D
>>124849952Flood these nuts niggerhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e3pizBY136E&pp=ygUoZ2xlbm4gZ291bGQgY2hyb21hdGljIGZhbnRhc2lhIGFuZCBmdWd1ZQ%3D%3D
now playing, same pianist from that hour long Hammerklavier -- might work better with Schubertstart of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 19 in C Minor, D958https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHGmMhy0I4Q&list=OLAK5uy_kQ2ihIdSqlKzev_G1F3bcPxZ4Ypi9U9qQ&index=2start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 20 in A Major, D959https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFfeiG-mFNs&list=OLAK5uy_kQ2ihIdSqlKzev_G1F3bcPxZ4Ypi9U9qQ&index=6start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 21 in B-Flat Major, D960https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-_EQfi7Fho&list=OLAK5uy_kQ2ihIdSqlKzev_G1F3bcPxZ4Ypi9U9qQ&index=9Not for people who don't enjoy the occasional glacially slow performance. As one reviewer states:>The first movement of the D960, marked "molto moderato", sets a new record at an astonishing 28:25. Compare this to Kempf, at 21:12, or Pollini at 19:03. Even Richter's legendary live performance, the previous "self-absorbed" title holder, is "only" 25:07.28:25! Wild. Should be fun, whether it works or not.
Currentzis is basedhttps://youtu.be/bM2hEffL37o
>>124850108Ooo didn't know he had Beethoven recordings, neat, thanks, will check it out.
>>124850108His Beethoven is so fucking bad.
>>124850255*good
>>124849067>One of the most vociferous anti-Scriabinists during Zhdanovshchina was the music critic and former RAPM member Boris Shteinpress (1908-1986). Bowers reported that at the height of the controversy Shteinpress sneered at Scriabin as a "degenerate formalist of the worst sort" and claimed that "listeners should be saved from the degrading experience of having to listen to him." In a 1948 article, Shteinpress took direct aim at Scriabin:>Scriabin's innovations are not a development, but a destruction of the fundamentals of classical music. [. . .] Scriabin's artificiality is concerted into normality in a manner in which classical-realism is reduced to extraordinary sounds for the sake of sheer display. [. . .] If we do not decisively crush this bourgeois liberalism and its idealistic viewpoints, this trend will become rampant in our musical literature.
Finally; the Hamnerklavier the way Beethoven wanted it to be heard. Finally now in the Christmastime season his spirit can be put to rest https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IFYdLxDcF90&list=PLackZ_5a6IWWBRcIS328l5aQd8PkzmO61&index=33&pp=iAQB8AUB
>>124850756This >>124846047 was too fast?
>>124849067Scriabin is the Gloria MundiScriabin is the Axis MundiScriabin is the Elder King Scriabin is the GateScriabin is the Key and Guardian of the GatePast, present and future are all one in Scriabin Scriabin is the Easter Bunny Scriabin is The Secret Scriabin is The Fifth Beatle Scriabin is a cycling proficiency test instructor Scriabin is a 33rd degree Freemason Scriabin is a speed runner Scriabin is Dracula Scriabin is the Prince of Wales Scriabin is the King of Wales Scriabin is the Prince of Whales Scriabin is a Life Coach Scriabin taught Michael Jackson to dance Scriabin is the East Pole Scriabin is the third Chuckle Brotgee
>>124850833Practically raced through the piece
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hbZ_lJNN26s&pp=ygUZZ2xlbm4gZ291bGQgaGFtbWVya2xhdmllcg%3D%3D
>>124849150Day 2 of Christmas marathon. Disc 6.>Bach>Christmas Oratorio>John Gardiner
>>124851004You went with Gardiner? :owell in any case, enjoy. that opening is genius.
>>124851015I went overboard and lost count on Bach's Christmas Oratorio. I think I have a different version for each day, from today to the 25th
>2023 >There are still people who prefer Chopin to Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilVV645cF4U&list=PLC0324E2JQQbp8DYeScHkrmNI24xZSn0q&index=10
>>124851636I would give 99% of the standard repertoire just for the Chopin's ballades alone. Liszt is trash.
>>124851636both trash
>>124851726
>>124851973Evidently not
sp00ky cover
>>124851733So true chopincel
https://youtu.be/L85XTLr5eBE?si=HPGdVGjebOLsYJShBut I wept as I listened to the Fourth Quartet. Now I know for certain that you are the last Classical composer: your cradle was Beethoven's Grosse Fuge, where there is none of that Russian, French, or English folklore, and the barbarism of presenting a symbol instead of a direct experience. . . . Bach, Beethoven, and Schoenberg are the last composers capable of erecting a musical structure that can — must — be regarded as an organic world. . . . All music but theirs is either galvanized, artificially stimulated folkweave . . . or purely abstract geometry with queer sounds and odd effects touting for the listener's custom.
>>124852523This is the gayest post I've read and I read the sisterposter's posts
>>124852523Why those time signatures so big
>>124852523>Schoenberg1/10 bait.
>>124852696He is objectively the only interesting 20th century composer.
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>>124852696pleb, listen to more music.
>>124852776kek
>>124852696Well said sister
Anon, what's the best Ring Cycle available in YouTube live? I want to see one that is historically informed, if possible, with great costumes and scenarios. That is, no abstract lightning version with people wearing modern clothes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS3nKdLlf5Y
>>124853010Bad Anon. Bad.
>>124853010>>124852523>>124850036Even with embed, you guys need to set the title in the post.
>>124850101I am getting into Schubert as of late. Easy music I would say.
>>124852238Awful cover.
>>124850983The embed looks like hi is removing breadcrumbs from the piano
>>124852968>Anon, what's the best Ring Cycle available in YouTube live? I want to see one that is historically informed, if possible, with great costumes and scenariosI'm sorry to say, but this doesn't exist. Levine is the only somewhat traditional cycle, but not only is it horribly produced overall, but the conducting is plodding and it's not well sung. The best Ring on video is the Boulez one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV9zS7IsWg4Wieland Wagner's stuff has been recorded but it's in horrid quality.
>>124849518Shosta, in guitar???
>>124845913i’m not any more obsessed with /classical/ than i am the myriad of forums i regularly browse and post on. you unfortunately are but yet another irrelevant idiot for me to fuck with and laugh at.
>>124853172>ploddingStop trying to make plodding happen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn0CPRnOi0EPeak late autumn music.
>>124853172Thanks for the input, Anon. Really appreciated.
>>124853184Tell that to Levine and other sleepy conductors.
>>124853200Then say sleeping
>>124850951>Scriabin is a speed runnerwoah now, he’s just an incel, not a tranny.
>>124852636that’s just how universal edition did their engraving back then. very stylized.
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>>124853184>>124853207>NOOOOOO STOP USING THIS SPECIFIC WORD BECAUSE….. JUST BECAUSE OK??autism
>>124853233>autismPlease stop using that word outside of a medical diagnosis context
>>124853276i’m diagnosing you with severe fucking aspergers
