Pearl Necklace (Marina Viotti) EditionThis thread is for the discussion of classical music in the western tradition. Early Music, Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque, Classical, Romantic and Modern all welcome.Marina Viotti - Dowland: Go Crystal Tearshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd4pzw1lnyw>How do I get into classical?This outdated link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious thread:>>124834776
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6WYEgClRZE
>>124851004>Day 2 of Christmas marathon. Disc 7.No idea about this Schütz fella, but here we go with his Oratorio.
Bet u never listened to this frog:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ws6OyMnNCI
I don't listen to enough classic music to understand it, but can anyone tell me why I like piano music that sounds like the first movement of moonlight sonata, but not other piano music? The best way I can describe it is that when piano music sounds "cheerful", it sounds terrible to me, but when the music is more somber it sounds good. Is it a certain key? I've always been confused by this.
>>124853326Schutz is amazing desuEspecially Musikalische Exequien and Symphoniae Sacrae I, II, III
>>124853345so you like melancholic piano music? i wouldnt say there is a particular key that is associated with this. you can have major key pieces that sound melancholic, and minor key pieces that have a dark rather than melancholic sound
>>124853380I hate the second movement of moonlight sonata, would you describe that as cheerful? Is there anything objectively different between the first and second movements? It's not just that I don't enjoy it, it hits my ear wrong, so I feel like there has to be something behind it.
Handelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NvMF6liQmo
>>124853409yes, it sounds like a minuet to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzaCIXZb9bQ>And to illustrate the CD of this festive pastiche of a princess, a prince and a witch,what more appropriate than the famous trio from the 1970s series Bewitched, the 254-episode legendary tv classic!Bit of an odd choice
>>124853345maybe try not listening to fucking einaudi for starters
>>124853227Why is her back wet?
Handelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Er-CjwB-Ys
>>124853133Ah yeah? That's dope, Schubert is incredible, such lovely music.
>>124853326That looks pretty good, I'll give a listen.
>>124853505i will not judge him for listening to einaudi, but i agree. einaudi's work sounds boring to me. even satie does "melancholy" far better
>>124853505Einaudi sounds good to me (in part) because his music doesn't normally have that weird "cheerful" sound to it. Do you have something similar to his music you think is better?
>>124853567erik satie -- trois sarabandes
Francœurhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToAcPd_PkhQ
>>124853567>>124853549>>124853505>>124853345nta but I also listen to Einaudi. Its just another category, not classical. I like the melodies, but tends to be very very monotone. No dynamics, no range, no transformations, etc.
>>124853322luv bach :)
>>124853549>>124853567>>124853599einaudi is not classical music, it’s straight up pop music slop. go discuss it on /mu/.
>>124853605Dont limit yourself to J.S.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yLAB1_og9k&list=OLAK5uy_lfvG9wJPWypi7R6ubo0O26GaEW4vkzk08&index=14
>>124853620we are on /mu/ and Einaudi is neo-classical
>>124853663he’s not neoclassical, that would be stravinsky or prokofiev. try >>>/mu/ instead
>>124853638>We have Bach at home
>>124853663Don't bother with /mu/ try /classical/ instead
Handelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4sq-oFFYq4
>>124853698Its still worth listening to
>>124853720He's not quite got the grasp of the horn, he's nearly there though
>>124853743maybe u can show him how its done mr blowing expert
>>124853674explain how he's not neoclassical
>>124853764you made the claim first, the burden of proof is on you buddy. maybe brush up on the definition of neoclassicism in musichttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoclassicism_(music)
Zelenkahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1lQMwNy3fw
>Einaudi>Classical, Contemporary
>>124853883discogs misclassifies genres all the time and “contemporary classical” is in no way synonymous with neoclassical, nice try though
>>124853883Whatever.Its babbys first classical adjacent
>>124853804Fair. Sounds like neoclassical is specific to the 20th century. I thought it was the same as saying "new classical" or "modern classical". Modern classical is what I meant though. So it's weird to say he doesn't make classical music unless you're just being pedantic and saying it's not classical because it wasn't made in the classical period.
>>124853900he’s not modern classical, he’s not any form of western art music period.
>Classical: classical music I like>Not classical: not classical music OR classical music I dont like
>>124853911then what is he? an alien?
>>124853924Its classical-not-liked-by-random-anon
>>124853924glorified pop music>>124853918>>124853932swing and a miss
>Attempt to shut down discussion because non classical>Spawns the majority of responses about non classicalGood job mate
>>124853973retarded angloid
Handelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZg2IqdxNRc
>>124853918>>124853932Swing and a hit
>>124853924He is shit.
favorite chamber pieces by Brahms?
>>124854135trio op 8 first version
For me, it's Terry Riley - In C and Phill Niblock - Held Tones
>>124854135Just about all of it. The very best are probably:Clarinet QuintetPiano QuintetString Sextet No. 2Piano Trio No. 1Violin Sonata No. 1Cello Sonata No. 1 & 2Clarinet Sonata No. 1 & 2Piano Quartet No. 3
>>124853227ah ca ira ca ira ca ira...
chuddiest composer?
>>124854670>chuddiest Define that first.
now playing, yet another set of Debussy's Preludesstart of Debussy: Préludes, Book 1, L. 117https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVDiU5Rfjys&list=OLAK5uy_l905csIwX3jkh6MFxk4U9N0hukQs_xk4M&index=1>"... Incidentally, I am more and more convinced that, in essence, music is not something that could be poured into a strict, traditional form. It consists of colors and time expressed in rhythm... " (Claude Debussy, 1907) These words essentially summarize a whole movement- the movement of musical Impressionism. Claude Debussy is responsible for the fact that the newer French piano music of his time came to be highly regarded. After the age of Liszt, he developed in essence a newly independent style of piano music, and gave French Impressionism an exalted position in the field of music. Both of the books of Preludes by Debussy are an expression of this style. The first book was written between 1909 and 1910. The second, between 1910 and 1912. In total there are 24 compositions with which Debussy continued- if only superficially- the tradition of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier or Chopin's 24 Preludes.>Eloise Bella Kohn is a regular guest of France's most prominent concert venues and festivals such as Salle Gaveau and Lille Piano Festival. Being awarded Young Talent by the renown cultural magazine Diapason in 2016 and "Yamaha Artist" since 2018, the young French pianist shows an extraordinary depth of musicality and is leading a promising career.
>>124854670fünf kleine chuddie
>>124854670Chudwig Van Sneedoverhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzAmxHAXVRQ
For me, it's the cellohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-4HTmNIYNA&list=OLAK5uy_mFIpqbS591-psxf0o7BTsd0lgD1yIFKkk&index=3
A break from the Christmas marathon. Now listening to Gächinger Kantorei, Rademann with the volume 3 of Bach's Cantatas.
>>124854804Saving that. Thanks anon.
>>124853175You are indeed obsessed that's why you can't skip a single day nor single reply fuckwit.
Was film the next frontier of composition in the 20th century?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oag_UsRrpk
>>124857426Morricone suites are literally Wagner overtures kek. No difference between this and Der Fliegende Höllander's overture.
>>124857286sounds like you’re not too happy to hear how insignificant you really are in the grand scheme of things LOL, i’m sorry you matter so little.
>>124857426not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead
>>124857496It is in the classical tradition, cope
>>124857426https://youtu.be/LWS5xDEJsq8?si=z5v4px3SsKiBOrYr&t=430It is video games now. Movies are old-school. Video Games are the Gesamtkunstwerk as The Great Lord Wagner intended. The culmination of all branches of art that is to say - music, theatre, story combined with the volition of the the candidate that participates.
>>124857522>wagnersister's a manchild who plays with childrens toyskek
>>124857534Pitiable little creature, is it any wonder your palpable anger is cause of your neurotic neglection and perversion of art?
>>124857549Barbie dolls aren't art, sister. I know you loved playing with those but you have to grow out of it.
>>124857483So insignificant that you had a raging episode where you complained I was replying to you, when you are doing the same, obsessed KEK.
Gesamtkunstwerks or Highest forms of Art by the decades - 1870-1880 - Der Ring des Nibelungen/ The Ring Cycle by Wagner1880-1890 - Alternating Current by Tesla1890-1900 - The Nutcracker by Tchaikovsky 1900-1910 - Rachmaninov Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor1910-1920 - General Theory of Relativity by Einstein1920-1930 - The Persistence of Memory by Dalí 1930-1940 - Perfect Model of Society by Hitler1940-1950 - The Atomic Bomb by Oppenheimer1950-1960 - The Screaming Pope by Francis Bacon1960-1970 - The Doors by The Doors.1970-1980 - A Clockwork Orange by Kubrick1980-1990 - Bad by Michael Jackson1990-2000 - Akira by Katsuhiro Otomo2000-2010 - Kid A by Radiohead2010-2020 - Witcher 3 The Wild Hunt by CDPR
>>124857796?
>>124857796Blessed.
>>124857796Hmm... based
>>124791617>>124804740>>124814170>>124817645>>124826474>>124837399>>124846362Mozart - Suske Quartet [WEB, FLAC] https://litter.catbox.moe/3dnpp8.zipBeethoven - Suske Quartet [WEB, FLAC] https://mega.nz/folder/zLRESCIQ#MLIbTa3cmqxyadG3W6tivQ
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp7c_2iGBQE
Just posting the best Beethoven Symphonyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7v9Ja1forY
>>124859768First chords already sound funny
>>124857796The best post ever made in /classical/, perhaps even on /mu/
Spirituality. Sex. Scriabin.
>>124859456Awesome, much appreciated.
>>124856670It's a very austere and diffuse performance, but maybe you'll be into that.
I can't stop listening to Afanassiev's slow-ass playing. Apparently he's a big deal in Europe and Japan. Here's the start of his Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 32, Op. 111https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jbdllF5AnU&list=OLAK5uy_kfa3AdxG4BguBsTiXmqj38szEVQU5aB34&index=7Also, really dope album cover.
>>124853326>Day 3 of Christmas marathon. Disc 8.>Nativity>Edward Nesbit
feels like a Tallis morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgGf6pJvRLE&list=OLAK5uy_mnChJseQ2gxjtVQjpWX_kDP9PHd8dbDKY&index=1>''To go from the medieval world of Ave, Dei patris to the stark directness of If ye love me, to the soaring phrases of Gaude gloriosa, to the compact intensity of the Lamentations and O sacrum convivium, to the incredible sonorities of Spem in alium is to travel as far as one man can ever have taken his listeners.'' - Peter Phillips
Does anyone have recommendations for more stuff like Satie's Gymnopédies and Gnossiennes?
>>124861856You mean like the elevator music? First two Chopin nocturnes, Fur Elise, list goes on...
>>124861727Super nice, mate. Added to my list.Pretty rare to see early music in here, always welcome.
>>124861856Grieg's Lyric Pieces and Mendelssohn's Songs Without Words/Lieder ohne WorteComplete Lyric Pieces (Austbo)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozUESgfZVh4&list=OLAK5uy_n0U8xfxZ8xdUFOv6l10Fm6ixT6CMNZcCM&index=1Songs Without Words (selection) (Levit)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9y5WECf4IU&list=OLAK5uy_lcBKtAffzIoQPfNOgxUycUWSmhSuPnXx0&index=1If these performances don't click, look up other ones that are closer to what you're looking for, as these pieces themselves should suffice, so it's all about finding the right recording of it.
>>124861971lmao @ the blurb on the Levit recording>Igor Levit releases a new album as his personal artistic reaction to the October 7 attacks on Israel and the current rise in anti-Semitism worldwide. The album contains his selection of "Songs without Words" by Felix Mendelssohn and concludes with one Prelude by French Romantic composer Charles-Valentin Alkan. Igor Levit and his team have given their time pro-bono, and his proceeds will be donated to two German organizations fighting anti-Semitism - OFEK Advice Center for Anti-Semitic Violence and Discrimination and the Kreuzberg Initiative Against Anti-Semitism.deleted Levit from my library for obvious reasons
>>124861547>Day 3 of Christmas marathon. Disc 9.>La Nascita del Redentore>Pasquale Anfossi
Should Sonata Form pieces start with a lenghty formal introduction, or go straight into the themes?
>>124862374Depends entirely on the piece. If it calls for an introduction, then why not.
>>124862374>Should Sonata Form pieces start with a lenghty formal introductionDo most pieces in sonata form? No. So why should it?
>>124861982aww poor snowflake get his feefees hurt?
>>124861982G-d, I wish I was jewish
>>124862447Can't tell if you're referring to Levit or the poster.
now playingstart of Elgar: Violin Concerto in B Minor, Op. 61https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VJUoB9kJCQ&list=OLAK5uy_mR-dgNxHiDbYcwxoL-Ynn5tb3wS776D_c&index=1>GRAMMY Award-winning violinist Nicola Benedetti's new album explores music by Britain's beloved composer, Edward Elgar. The centerpiece is his Violin Concerto in B minor, Op. 61, performed by Benedetti with the London Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Vladimir Jurowski. The vast and technically demanding concerto is coupled with three short works for violin and piano: Salut d'Amour, Sospiri and Chanson de Nuit.
>>124862043>Day 3 of Christmas marathon. Disc 10.Christmas Motets by Cristóbal de Morales
>>124861877They don’t resemble those two pieces at all especially not Fur Elise. If he wanted elevator music he would have asked
feels like a Das Lied von der Erde dayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vIOy7Mg3vQ&list=OLAK5uy_nnZzY87_UzjJ3Fou5-Iqbxbv9iab9ixjA&index=1>Vladimir Jurowski and the Rundfunk-Sinfonieorchester Berlin continue their exploration of Mahler with a new recording of Das Lied von der Erde, on which Dame Sarah Connolly and Robert Dean Smith provide the vocal contributions. Residing somewhere between symphony and song cycle, Das Lied is one of Mahler's most profound and loved works, marking an important step in the composer's career, as well as in his private life. Jurowski approaches the piece as Mahler's deliberate move from a "heroic" Beethovenian model towards a more "lyrical", Schubertian attitude. Throughout Das Lied, and particularly in the contemplative last movement, "Der Abschied (The Goodbye)", Mahler seems to come to terms with the mortality of man while celebrating the immortal nature of Life.
Imagine there’s no Wagner It’s easy if you try
I just don't really care for Bartok's Piano Concertos, sadly.
>>124863353>Day 3 of Christmas marathon. Disc 11.Bach's Christmas Oratorio againNow with Gotthold Schwarz
>>124864876add Poulenc's Motets for Christmas and Britten's Ceremony of Carols to the list.Poulenchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5UK1uSdaLQ&list=OLAK5uy_nnle3LipuOu1dvfVbYm9WkZ6nBkr5JWzo&index=6(this link is partway through the recording starting at the motets, but the opening Mass in G Major is great too)Britten's Ceremony of Carolshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXpMgzhUF8g&list=OLAK5uy_nIjTV4LmUsrwuVhJFzyV6sAuleNOZL5iM&index=14start of recording playlisthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsAuJ1LAaQE&list=OLAK5uy_nIjTV4LmUsrwuVhJFzyV6sAuleNOZL5iM&index=1There are many great recordings of this piece, all a tad different. This is just one of the ones I like, so if you end up loving the work as much as I do, be sure to check out others! As well as Britten's other choral music, including the ones on this very linked recording.
Wagner or Reich?
>>124864951Thanks anon. Didnt have Poulenc in the list, will add it. This is the version of Britten I have in the collection.
>>124865053I'm sure that one is great, can always trust Layton for a great choral performance. In fact I'm gonna listen to it right now. Plus it contains Saint Nicolas, Op. 42, which I've never heard, making it even more in the Christmas spirit! I'm a huge fan of Britten's choral music.
Oh cool, someone recorded the original version of Liszt's Faust Symphony without the stupid choral ending.
>>124865144Funny, I was actually listening to a semi-recent Faust Symphony recording this morning (Haselbock/Vienna Academy) -- it was alright. Added that one and will listen on my next go, thanks.
>>124861281do you have a preference for strings nos 1-7?
brahms piano quintet is so good
>>124866808Five pianos?
>>124866826You can gather your friends for a comfy string ensamble, imagine trying to do the same for a piano quintet.
>>124865258It's not a top tier piece by any stretch of the imagination, but I have a mild obsession with the finale because Liszt transforms the thematic material of the first movement in a lot of interesting ways. I can understand why it was one of Mahler's favorite works.
Sir Thomas Beecham was a 19th and 20th century English conductor known for his groundbreaking work with orchestras all across the UK. He was also well known for his acid tongue and his uncompromising opinions on all aspects of music, from critics to instruments, from compositions to their composers.The sound of the harpsichord, for instance, was likened by Beecham to the sound of “two skeletons copulating on a tin roof in a thunderstorm.” Beethoven’s 7th Symphony was dismissed as “like a lot of yaks jumping about.” Edward Elgar’s 1st Symphony was the musical equivalent of “the towers of St. Pancras station.” Bach had “too much counterpoint—and what is worse, Protestant counterpoint.” And asked if he had ever conducted anything by the German avant-garde composer Karlheinz Stockhausen, Beecham supposedly replied, “No. But I once trod in some.”
>>124866995It was probably one of Mahler's favourite works because Wagner praised it to the high heavens.>I had been busy reading the Divine Comedy, and again had revolved all the difficulties in judging this work which I have mentioned above; to me that tone-poem of Liszt's now appeared the creative act of a redeeming genius, freeing Dante's unspeakably pregnant intention from the inferno of his superstitions by the purifying fire of musical ideality, and setting it in the paradise of sure and blissful feeling. Here the soul of Dante's poem is shewn in purest radiance. Such redeeming service even Michael Angelo could not render to his great poetic master; only after Bach and Beethoven had taught our music to wield the brush and chisel of the mighty Florentine, could Dante's true redemption be achieved.- Richard Wagner
>>124865724Like recording? I've actually never listened to them.
>>124867174the Dante Symphony? I need to listen to that one more. Never liked it as much.
What do y'all think of Glenn Gould's WTC?
>>124867325Not particularly good, like most of Gould's Bach that was recorded past the 50s.
>>124867386Ah shame. Any recommendations for idiosyncratic WTCs? Was hoping Gould's would be the one and I wouldn't have to spend any time looking further lol.
>>124867401I think the most idiosynctraic performance that I've heard of the WTC is probably Egarr's.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR2YtM3lq88&list=PLr0MsaDpKsY-7zjBRiUaHLTz6k0jTFYvK&index=1It's a combination of using unequal temperament and some absolutely bonkers tempo choices, it's very strange.
>>124867487Neat, ty
>>124857509not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead>>124857629what raging episode? sounds like you’re reading things that aren’t there, ranjeet. you’d have better luck with actually getting under my skin if you weren’t an underage spastic whose default NPC lines are “you’re mad” and “you’re american”.
>>124857509Very much in the /classical/ tradition, don't go to /mu/
>>124861421i was memed into buying a CD copy of this turd to get a perfect rip of it. it sucks so bad that it needs 2 fucking discs for the last 3 beethoven sonatas. >>124861982insanely embarrassing holy shit, what a giant crybaby. even bernstein wouldn’t dare try something this fucking vapid>>124862374the only things a sonata form should have are an exposition with two or more subjects in contrasting keys, a development section that modulates the subjects to different key areas and expounds on them, and a recapitulation with the subjects in the home key. everything else is left to the tastes of the composer and to the requirements of the material. >>124867135what a bizarre quote, stravinsky couldn’t sound any further from bach. >>124867325dogshit
124867938don’t you have any higher quality bait than this?
>>124857426For me it's Deborah's theme
>>124853227post cadenzas that make you go HMhttps://youtu.be/QpPYat2aRB4?t=332
Hello old farts and chumsEnjoy.https://youtu.be/F85BVUFe-FU?si=Khl0HUDZOqeRuAUV
>>124867921Make way, make way! Here comes the obsessed raging uggo with insomnia!
>>124867994>i was memed into buying a CD copy of this turd to get a perfect rip of it. it sucks so bad that it needs 2 fucking discs for the last 3 beethoven sonatas.lolI swear some of his performances are so slow that if you didn't know the pieces and had an idea of the melodies and themes beforehand, you would never be able to decipher them from his playing. Still, interesting at times, but I sincerely doubt I'll ever return to it once I finish listening to it all. Actually, his Schumann is quite nice, since they aren't significantly slow and it's hard to find slower performances of his solo piano music to begin with.
>>124867994>insanely embarrassing holy shit, what a giant crybaby. even bernstein wouldn’t dare try something this fucking vapidThe hilarious part is I didn't even notice the album cover was a hand holding a fuggin' Star of David necklace until after posting lmao. What's that gotta do with Mendelssohn's Songs Without Words!?inb4 because Mendelssohn is a...
>>124869606>What's that gotta do with Mendelssohn's Songs Without Words!?>inb4 because Mendelssohn is a...Jew. Wagner was right about jewish music. It's all subversive trash.
>>124868843Hope Amid Tears
Piano transcriptions of symphonies:>Human made>Can capture every important musical detail and provide a good experience for home listeningRecordings of symphonies>Faulty due to multiple factors>Even the best recordings will still tend to have trouble capturing the full scopehttps://youtu.be/t8Vie6FfTP8
>>124869805he is pointing at the talentless hack
>>124870154If you're comparing a performance in my living room, then sure.
>>124870216>Not playing the czerny transcriptions with a bro
>>124870176Emanuel Hack. What's he even known for anyway? Just being Yo-Yo Ma's piano companion? Never seen one of his solo (or any) recording/performances recommended, acclaimed, or even promoted.
Mozarthttps://youtu.be/R_wBt7lCtbISimply genius, Mozart's music is mindbending and awe inspiring. Mozart at his best is such crystal perfection that no other composer has truly matched.
>>124870418Mozart really wasn't that great though. His music is full of cliches that make me cringe when I hear them because they're so predictable.>descending or ascending line passing through 5, #4, 4, 3, etc>appoggiatura of #1 going to 2>or #2 going to 3>announcing a half cadence/modulation/end of a section with 3 beats starting on a note, going up an octave, then down 2 octaves>occasionally 1 or 2 bars of parallel minor mode mixture>scales, scales everywhere>inserting random turns or trills because -*~decorations~*->alberti bassYawn. Now Bach, that's a real composer.
>>124870431Post the exact timecodes in the recording he gave for each cliche, pasta posting fag
>>124870431FPTMIU
>>124870431Daily reminder that Bach being considered good is a modern phenomenon. In his time he was considered inferior to Vivaldi, Handel and every other relevant composer. Bach fans are insufferable. They can't comprehend that not everyone likes Bach's terrible music. Most people have not even heard of him.I see a lot of degenerate philistines saying that Bach is “greatest composer to have ever lived” and I can’t believe my eyes when I see such a statement so today I will explain why Bach is the worst composer to have ever lived.His music is so lifeless like it was composed for math class or something. It sounds like an exercise that he had to write. there is no heart in it like Beethoven or Vivaldi who was a better baroque composer anyway. He’s just counterpoint, there’s no polyphony, no melody, no harmony, nothing. Just counterpoint.
>>124870491Listen to his invention no.8 in f major for reference, where’s the melody? Exactly, there is no melody. Surely someone who is the “greatest composer” would know more then just writing pretty canons and fugues!He didn’t write an opera. At first this doesn’t seem like a big deal but to be one of the greats (i.e Brahms Chopin, Liszt) you have to write everything including a opera. Bach never wrote an opera. The closest he wrote was a bunch of boring cantatas that have no purpose whatsoever.He had no sense of dynamics and other markings. I recently opened up my 50 dollar Henle urtext from the Juilliard store that had Bach’s well tempered clavier and I saw no dynamics, no crescendo, no tempo, nothing. It was just the notes, to be a great musician you have to understand dynamics and phrasing not just knowing how to write notes on a manuscript paper.
>>124870154Who did the better Beethoven transcriptions, Liszt or Czerny?
>>124870497I then opened up my 100 dollar Henle urtext also from the Juilliard store Beethoven sonatas and I saw so much expression details which there is none in Bach.Seriously, just listen to the Art of Fugue? Like, who does he think he is just abandoning randomly harmonic conventions like he is better than every one else. Look at Contrapunctus 3 where his countersubject bears no interval or tonal resemblance to his subject. He is boring and dumb, the worst combo.His most famous keyboard work, the Goldberg Variations, was originally written to put an aristocrat to sleep. And, bearing in mind that it consists of 30 variations on not only the same theme but also the same fucking harmonic sequence, it has the very same effect on modern audiences.The Well-Tempered Clavier is garbage and taught Mozart and Beethoven bad habits that forever stunted their expertise in composition.The Brandenburg Concertos, Violin Concertos, Orchestral Suites, Mass in B minor, Passions, and Musical Offering are plebeian trash written with mass appeal in mind.The Art of Fugue is utter dreck and the worst piece ever written. It's a load of worthless pedantic wankery which literally serves no purpose other than to demonstrate counterpoint. It's hilariously samey and repetitive, which makes sense since it inverts the same fucking melodies to create new counterpoints and does this over and over and over.Bach never managed to compose anything of even relative worth. Rather than exploring new styles he preferred to jack off alone to the outdated style of ages past, in a manner very similar to modern "wrong generationers."
Chopin bested Mozart in almost every single way imaginable. Ballades (especially 4), Barcarolle, Sonatas, Scherzos - nuff said. There is nothing on this dear earth even remotely comparable to Chopin's genius and utter perfection.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6dKMCofOrE
>>124870418>three women in the quartetYeah that's gonna be a no from me.
>>124870521>Listen for 18 secondsDisgusting and appalling romantislop. Don't need to listen to the rest. Chopin is a hack, as are all of his period
>>124870521>Listen for 18 secondsLovely and comforting romantichad. Need to listen to the rest. Chopin is a perfection, as are all of his period
>>124870521Chopin would turn Mozart into a romantic, had they lived in the same period
now playingstart of Liszt: Harmonies poétiques et religieuses d'après des poèmes de Alphonse de Lamartinehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZrUv0T4UO4&list=OLAK5uy_k37owtUA30G8-EI7_YEWBMHdss7qJVxrM&index=1start of Liszt: Sonate in B Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf39ig7zdyo&list=OLAK5uy_k37owtUA30G8-EI7_YEWBMHdss7qJVxrM&index=11>Zig-Zag Territoires begins its collaboration with pianist François-Frédéric Guy with a Liszt double album featuring two of the composer s key works: the Sonata in B minor and the complete cycle of Harmonies poétiques et réligieuses. The masterpieces were recorded in the studio of La Chaux-de-Fonds (Switzerland), renowned for its exceptional acoustics. With the aim of reproducing the spontaneity of concert conditions, the entire double album was recorded in just four days.
>>124870578Lets be glad he wasn't alive in the same period. Mozart is musical perfection, being infected by romantislop garbage would have ruined him
Just a reminder that music isn't olympics and comparing composers from different eras or saying "uh huh this is so SUBLIME utter crystal perfection" doesn't get you anywhere.No one is going to listen to arrogance, if anything people will feel repulsed.
>>124870659Ruined, dark Mozart would sound better ngl.
Rondo in A minor K.511 is the best Mozart piece and stands in the same place as Chopin's Barcarolle, if we assume we're in 'music olympics' lol
>>124870659He was going in the same direction. Undoubtedly Mozart would have become a romantic composer had he a few more decades, and who would doubt that he had the skill to progress to, and integrate, such a style without it adversely affecting his music?
>>124870727If Mozart had modern piano and lived a bit longer he would be Chopin before Chopin, the A minor Rondo, Requiem, maybe the Clarinet concerto too hinted at romanticism. Romanticism is truly the culmination, the final, ultimate form of classical music.
why does richter's 2020 blu-ray remaster have smaller sound than the old master?https://files.catbox.moe/fykgdn.mp3 (old)https://files.catbox.moe/v7tgmc.mp3 (new)
im still leaning towards the remaster, despite its smaller range, for it sounds more balanced. the 2017 remaster of richter's christmas oratio is included in the 2020 blu-ray release which was part of an anthology. it has bigger sound with a similar mastering as the cantatas on the blu-ray than its previous iterations.https://files.catbox.moe/4w36we.mp3 (old)https://files.catbox.moe/qxydcq.mp3 (new)
>taking time to attach your avatar to every single post>even if your post already contains a picfucking kek
>>124870521Mozart's chromaticism, like that of Mendelssohn, went far beyond what was ever produced by the most "daring" experiments of later romantic composers ; for chromaticism is always more potent in a tonal context, and works composed in harmonies whose modulations are so constant that the fundamental tonality is essentially blurred, do not trend to produce any effect, even when grasping at the very last possibilities of enharmonic, fundamental-less dominant ninth, augmented sixth or napolitan sixth modulations ; for modulation and complex harmony only signifies as opposition to a tonal context, and not in itself. This, was the great mistake of all music romantic ; to think that music could construct meaning through what was fundamentally opposed to tonality ; to think that music could be built upon the negative definition of music. Wagner's music has no rhythm, its harmony is so stretched out that it is barely audible, it has no counterpoint, no melody ; its qualities are fundamentally negative, --- Wagner is, thus, the perfect example of this degeneracy of music, which is fundamentally a critique of music ; and all critique stems from a lower position, a will to slander that which we cannot attain.
i believe i had expressed the opinion that i prefer the christmas oratio from netherlands bach society over richter's performance. however, ever since i got into marie-allan claire's organ, i've been wanting to hear more and more from the instrument. they are wildly different performances thoughbeithttps://files.catbox.moe/tu246c.mp3 (netherlands)
>>124870794I sincerely can't comprehend how people can listen to anything past early baroque. The music is so vulgar, insincere and repetitive. It's difficult to explain it but there's nothing to it, I simply don't get it.
>>124871398So true baroque brokie
Pergolesihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G30TZo8VHLw
>>124870418>people ITT being filtered by fucking mozartTruly the worst general
Who are some /classical/ hotties?
>>124872423Young Argie
>>124872423https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxZSP1Dc78Q
>>124872423I've always found Gould a bit attractive.
>>124870418Juilliard's Mozart is shit.
>>124857796you don't actually know what Gesamtkunstwerk means do you
let's get patriotic, now playingstart of Walter Piston: Symphony No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXgcOg53gFA&list=OLAK5uy_l_IQ72bnG3yq571lQY1KyvHudBBReAGS0&index=2start of Walter Piston: Symphony No. 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXKkmEssukE&list=OLAK5uy_l_IQ72bnG3yq571lQY1KyvHudBBReAGS0&index=4
>>124870491You are a moron and clueless about history. Bach was not performed in concert but his music was studied extensively by the best composers of the next generations including, yes, Mozart.
>>124872879>replying to bait pasta
>>124872846are you new
>>124872850These are delightfully whimsical, fun, and gorgeous symphonies, definitely recommended.
>>124870418Nice, goods stuff, added that recording.
>>124870418>>124873020Not the usual kind of Mozart album cover you see. It's nice, especially as there are four quartets on the recording. Great stuff, thanks for getting me to finally try the Juilliard Quartet's Mozart, definitely gonna go through their entire set.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3_wfs2LoUQ&list=OLAK5uy_kTvNP7PyhFCfF0XX0qWPHgryuQBejkR98&index=1
>>124870418>>124873099Whoops, forgot to include
>The Soviets could smell greatness from a mile away but, in order to make Scriabin compatible with their brainwashed, uptight socio-realistic propaganda, they had no choice but to obscure and caricature him, and quite perversely so. In complete disregard of the sexual and mystical contexts, Scriabin was made into a revolutionary, cosmonautic mascot. 'A triumphant synthesis of the meaning of art and revolution', the magazine Soviet Music summarized, and when the cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin performed the first flight into space, it was, quite inappropriately, the Poem of Ecstasy that was broadcast into the 'ether'. This process found its ideological raison d'être in Lenin's dictum: 'If we have before us a truly great artist, then he must represent in his works certain essential aspects of the Revolution even in cases where he does not clearly understand and openly avoids it.'
>>124868658for me it's pollini
>Cadences are something that Scriabin refused to employ in his later works, thus leaving the listener unsatisfied. The whole concept of suppressing the climaxes becomes a matter of postponing, instead of achieving a release - a much more powerful experience, according to Scriabin. His Fifth Sonata, for instance, doesn't really have any 'clean' chords, i.e. chords without some sort of an augmented or diminished note attached to them. This creates an illusion of the piece floating in the air, unresolved. Hence the entire work becomes one giant build-up on the verge of a climax lasting around 12 minutes.
>>124864876>Day 4 of Christmas marathon. Disc 12.While Shepherds Watched. Christmas Music from English Parish Churches, 1740-1830.
>>124873183What a retard
>>124873227Scriabin was a genius
>>124873183He was literally the "Marquis de Sade" of music
Orgasm. That is what Scriabin is. "Orgasm"
>>124869769Sexless Derangement Syndrome
>>124869769Wagner was just a bad as the jews he criticized, sister.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COhLnFwGaT0No matter how hard I search and look, nothing surpasses this. All my life I have looked and searched but this...this is just peak, this is cleansing for the dirty, purification for the impure and hope for the downtrodden. This is the music that filled Hitler's heart with ambition, this is the music that raped Nietzsche's mind, this is the music that grounds Dionysus on this infertile rock. All from mere music, from notes written on paper. No human can concot such brilliance.Just what was Wagner?
>>124873338>Day 4 of Christmas marathon. Disc 13.>Missa Pastoril para Noite de Natal>Jose Mauricio Nunes Garcia
>>124864876What'd you think of this recording?
>>124874129Mmm. Hard to tell. I found it more vibrant and joyful than Gardiner's but otoh I also used a different set of gear while listening.
>>124874066>Day 4 of Christmas marathon. Disc 14.Michael PraetoriusPuer natus in Bethlehem
>>124874035actually it was rienzi that inspired hitlerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJSLxJ2wA_Y
>Mozart pieces in any minor keyWhat I feel: great, pleased, very satisfied.>Mozart pieces in majorHow I feel: replused, irritated, very bored.A man can not do anything about it. Lowered third and sixth makes a world difference.
>>124853345I only like the minor key works of Mozart
Why is Janacek so good?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFs0HdrP9_0&list=PLHMaOPmxHtFqIvhGB1JyvUg8lmzqyzNjB
>>124875547Baßed.
Post your top 10 without including Bach, Beethoven or Mozart.
mozart - goethebach - shakespearebeethoven - schillerhaydn - cervanteswagner - proustschoenberg - joycemahler - mannxenakis - borgeschopin - byronbruckner - dostoevsky
>>124874035>>124875489That was a bad thing. Hitler started the Second World War and had at least 17 million people murdered
>>124875954They wouldn't be in my top 10 anyway
>>124857796Cringe
>>124876281This post is too based for this NPC general.
>>124867174What an old windbag Wagner was
>>124876271vast majority of those people weren't White so that's actually a good thing
>>124876281this post is too stupid even for this general
>>124876197actually:Renaissance masters - Old testament authorsBach - DanteHaydn - ShakespeareMozart - CervantesBeethoven - Dickens
>>124876627They actually were. In fact all of them were exclusively white, half west, half east europeans. Hitler didn't actually kill the jews.
>>124876627They were all white pretty much except for the 4-7 million Jews. I mean overall there's 19 million dead soviet civilians, 8.7 million soldiers the numbers vary, all cause that faggot wanted to expand his already large wealthy country-the guy was a real jerk
>>124876686>>124876708>east>soviets>whiteholy kek
Uh huh this is so SUBLIME utter crystal perfectionIn the music special Olympics this would take the bronze medal for sure:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK35x1FkqKk
>>124876727Thank you /pol/ sister
>>124876745no problem
>>124875954SorabjiScriabinBerioSzymanowskiParmegianiTavernerXenakisEinaudiGlassBoulez
>>124876951Interesting list. I've not heard enough of these to really say-Einaudi in particular I'd like to hear.(Boulez is balls tho)
Listening to the greats
>>124873227any chord progression can be classified as a cadence. The two-voice progression D#F# - EF for example functions as a full close (G#m7 - C#m) despite its apparent dissonance.
How much of Bach's oeuvre is worth listening to? All of it? I'vre read that it takes over a WEEK to listen to all of his pieces combined, wouldn't it take like a year just to familiarise yourself with his pieces and be able to recognise each and every one? Does he have zero skips?
>>124875954TelemannHandelHaydnCherubiniR. StraussRegerGriegHolmboeShostakovichKapustin
>>124877233all of it if you like baroque music.
>>124877233>Skipping a Bach pieceDont be silly anon
>>124874695>Day 4 of Christmas marathon. Disc 15.Christmas music from Georgian England
>>124876197>>124876661You - A. Retard
>>124876951bait should be believable.
>>124877233Bach:* The Well-Tempered Clavier/The Well-Tuned Keyboard* German Organ Mass* Organ Preludes/Toccatas/Passacaglia and Fugues* Little Organ Books* Cantatas* Mass in B Minor* St. John's Passion* St. Matthew's Passion* Cello Suites* Violin Sonatas and Partitas* The Art of Fugue* The Musical Offering* Keyboard/Violin Concertos* Goldberg Variations* Orchestral Suites* Brandenburg ConcertosMozart:* Piano Concertos 5 - 27* Symphonies 25 - 41* Piano Sonatas* Piano Sonatas for 4-Hands/2 Pianos* Violin Sonatas* Adagio for Violin and Orchestra* Idomeneo* The Abduction from the Seraglio* Le Nozze di Figaro* Così fan Tutti* Don Giovanni* Die Zauberflöte* Mass in C Major K. 337* Mass in C Minor* Requiem Mass* Violin Concertos* String Quartets* String Quintets* Piano Quartets* Piano Quintet* Sinfonia Concertante for Violin and Viola* Oboe Quartet* Horn Quintet* Clarinet Quintet* Clarinet Concerto* Sinfonia Concertante for Winds* Concerto for Flute and Harp* Oboe Concerto* Horn Concertos* Kegelstatt Trio* Serenades 5 - 13* Divertimento for String Trio* Organ Fantasia (K. 608), Andante (K. 616), and Adagio (K. 594)Beethoven:* Symphonies* Piano Sonatas* String Quartets* Missa Solemnis* Fidelio* Eroica Variations* Diabelli Variations* Piano ConcertosSchubert:* Symphonies* Piano Sonatas* Winterreise* String Quartets* String Quintet
>>124877394Anton Retárd (1839 - 1878) was a renowed French Romantic author of short novellas and poetry volumes.Huh?
>bait should be believable.
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl5Y-yjFJms
>>124853227seriously, what the fuck was his problem?
>>124877224thankyou Pathetic Loner.
>>124877224What if it was E to Eb that's no cadence
>>124877580a downwards leading tone produces a half close.
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIRPhPHXkYg
>>124877644Kipnis had one of the coolest fucking voices ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLj7SUXY8ZA&list=OLAK5uy_m2QG5NDyrVqKapVnuYQhgO-_CyRkHjoFk&index=46
>>124877341>Day 4 of Christmas marathon. Disc 16.Bach's Christmas Oratorio (again)Johannes Stecher
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWoYOSQ0jp0
>>124876197Hmm, some interesting choices, but not bad
