Boston Six Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKg3mnFPUU8This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>127525288
wagner
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms>No Perotin or Medieval MusicWho the fuck are the Boston six?
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Dvorak, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Webern, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Clementi, and SibeliusThat is all
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
NO MOZARTNO CHOPINNO MAHLERALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIETHIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!SONATA FORM SHOULD DIEONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEATWHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITEBACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>>127556290>Who the fuck are the Boston six?objective proof that Ives was not one of the great American composers.
>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold
>>127556329Bachhttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=gKr89xxnMM8&list=OLAK5uy_k0a1BP70fY6M0t8NpqsU6PNwyAkzKetBw
>>127556338>Amy Beachliterally who?>George Chadwickliterally who?>Arthur Footliterally who?>Edward MacdowellThe only decent one, but he was a amateur at best>John Knowles Paineliterally who?>Horatio Parkerliterally who? Oh the guy who taught the better composer named Ives
>>127556366high society exists. you just aren't a part of it.
>>127556362Thank you, I've had enough the of the Neurotics and mediocre Americans not named Ives, more Bach and Before please
>>127556374>high society exists. you just aren't a part of it.Literal who's are not high society, this general is shit, at least it should've been a Haydn thread at he minimum
it's going to be a real pain to filter all these pepe wojak and Chad images but it will probably be worth it
>high society exists. you just aren't a part of it.
>>127556389Boston is the Vienna of America.
>>127556404>it's going to be a real pain to filter all these pepe wojak and Chad images but it will probably be worth it
Debussy will never get his birthday edition, huh
>>127556404Were these retards always here? I feel like I remember these threads being mercifully free from them a few years ago.
threads off to a great start lol
>>127556419His time will come Friend, we just have a bunch of contrarian neurotics running these generals
Reminder Bach and after, before and not including Ives.
>>127556426French culture is a contrarianism.
>>127556428>Reminder Bach and before, Ives and AfterWell said friend
>figure out what exact recording/music I wanna listen to, get excited to put it on in a moment>turn over in bed to get more comfortable real quick>the decision is wiped from my brain and I forgot what recording I wanted to listen towtf
>>127556435t. incel
>>127556433French culture started classical music you toad
>>127556229Best Shostakovitch 4th?
>>1275564642nd best Shotakovitch 5th?
>>127556458>t. incel
>>127556475Best Shotakovitch 5th?
>>127556411Paris is the Vienna of Boston
>>127556461bait should be believable.
>>12755648513th best shotakovtich 14th?
They told me 4chan had better classical discussion than reddit but there’s idiots like this wojak guy here.
>>127556421they're the new average 4chan userbase. get used to it, it's only gonna get worse
>>127556559reddit is too afraid to ever be contrarian but 4chan is too addicted to being contrarian and annoying for its own sake. pick your poison
>>127556605>contrarian
>>127556726do you think the word contrarian isn't normally used here or something else retarded like that?
>>127556874Go make a list
>>127556959anon you have to make sense when you post if you want to get relevant replies
>>127557037“Contrarian” is a pejorative used by pathological conformists to attack non-conformists. You can’t fathom that there exist people who don’t share your values, so you attribute their views as a reflexive opposition to that which is popular. As it turns out, hyperconformists need to make and share lists about music because they cannot assess quality independently of others.
>>127557194Real schizo hours
>>127557361no. The real scherzo hours begin in approximately four hours.
Bachhttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=q62eZNtKXxQ
>>1275574488:00 GMT and after, 11:00 GMT and before.simple as.
>>127555830>hyper-emotional Romantislopbasedfucktards say that music is all about emotions as if they can speak for everyone when they say that they want to hear someone sing with tears in their eyes about how their child died or someshit kek>I hate Philip Glass with a passion.based
>>127556464I'm still trying to figure it out. So far, my answer for the entire cycle is gonna be some combination of the sets by Vasily Petrenko and Rostropovich.
>>127556464https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IfyWr18Jbw
>>127557559https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P6PKIraXpIk&t=0s
I wonder what classical music the sister-poster is listening to while they is hiding in fear of the armed mob.
>>127556559>TheyWho? Who lied to you, child?
>>127558939/classical/ does have better discussions however this place is heavily gatekept and such discussions only occur during schizo hours on the weekends.
>>127557559lol
>>127558779beethoven, brahms, mahler, schoenberg, some mendelssohn, some bruckner, some debussyI forget if they actually liked Bach
now playingstart of Schubert: Sonata in B-Flat, D. 960https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqdN-so_8T8&list=OLAK5uy_kT-SkhJ51fVZloLeoyrIyoCcL7csOozbM&index=2Schubert-Liszt: Ständchen (From Schwanengesang, D957)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyjvh5oJefU&list=OLAK5uy_kT-SkhJ51fVZloLeoyrIyoCcL7csOozbM&index=6Liszt: Mephisto Waltz No. 1, S. 514https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEz2m_XL4js&list=OLAK5uy_kT-SkhJ51fVZloLeoyrIyoCcL7csOozbM&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kT-SkhJ51fVZloLeoyrIyoCcL7csOozbM>It's hard not to be impressed by Kissin's immaculate pianism here, his lovely singing tone captivates while the finger-popping pyrotechnics of the Mephisto Waltz are dazzling. Kissin's interpretation of Schubert's great B-flat Sonata stresses the lyricism without understating its tragic elements. The opening theme, pocked with little pauses and left-hand ominous rumblings, is wistfully stated, and the clarity of the first climax testifies to Kissin's masterful technique. In some hands the first two movements can sound unvaried but here they're differentiated in tempo and mood. Kissin doesn't flinch from the music's daringly slow tread--the pair take almost 35 minutes, or almost as long as some performances of the entire work, yet Schubert's "heavenly lengths" never outstay their welcome. The song transcriptions are drop-dead gorgeous, not to be missed. But the Sonata is the main show and while Kissin's performance is highly recommendable, don't miss those of Arrau, Rubinstein, or Kempff, among the great older masters who have tackled this work on disc. --Dan Davis
i can't stop listening to Brahms Piano Concerto No. 2, and Schumann's Piano Concerto, i think i found very good audio versions, now i want to watch them, what are the best filmed versions?
Diabelli Variations is a proof that Beethoven was just on composing spree for his entire life without much regard to the quality.>i'm... compOOOOOOOOOSSIIING
>>127559304Funny I just finished Brahms 2nd as I saw your post. Zimerman/Bernstein is a good one to watch, great performance.Both that and Schumann are among my favorites.
>>127559315you have AIDS
>>127559315>practice = coomingdude, get help.
>>127559315That's funny, but in truth, since it comes when he was shitting out masterpieces left and right, what was really happening was Beethoven was in the creative zone, and when presented with an opportunity to flex, he couldn't help it.
>'x Variations" form
how long until we have A.I. conductors and Beethoven hologram concerts?
>>127559460I've said it before: we won't have AI conductors, we'll have AI tools that'll allow each of us to create our own personalized performances of any piece -- we'll be the conductors -- and this general will be full of us sharing the files, ex. "rate my Schubert 9 [link] disclaimer: created with Conductor Hero"
>>127559471The Butlerian Jihad can't come soon enough.
>>127559561...Judith Butler? What did they write about this?inb4>they
>>127559585https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(franchise)#Butlerian_Jihad
How do I get into opera/Lieder if I don't like classical singing? It's just so fake- and forced-sounding to me, the female voices especially (men and children I can sort of stomach). Are there any performers that sing more naturalistically?
>and what news of the sister poster?>he was deported back to his Guatemalan village.>thank you, sister (*muffled laughter*).
He was right.
>>127559807yet Rachmaninoff failed to help fix the problem because he could not express his complaints in technical terms.
>>127559821He couldn't fix the unfixable.
>>127559898speak on that.
>>127557194you just assumed every contrarian is being genuine. of course a lot are, but equally as of course a lot aren't (especially on 4chan) and either simply want (You)s or to stand out and look unique
>>127559315that's (easily) his best piano piece
>>127559595oh it's some geek shit
>>127559807no he unfortunately wasn't
>>127559915The declining trend was noticed by composers probably as early as Brahms. Although it's hard to verify his quotes (specificially one about "music being dead"). Is it not conspicuous to you that in 18th and 19th centuries we had so many great, genius composers, and in 20th century, especially later, there were barely any?
>>127559939All contrarians are inauthentic by definition. The people you really hate are called non-conformists.
Rameauhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dREDroWBj7g
Wagner/Tausighttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N7FSaEWw2A
Liszt/Tausighttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZA4mtCGVyI
1st mov stuck in my head again
>>127559315link me to a good recording
>>127560906unfortunately, I can only find a link to the full recording through spotify, but stephen kovacevich's is my favoritehttps://open.spotify.com/intl-pt/album/2TGNDTyLYjPqg726rCdLF8
>>127560937this one is on youtube and rutracker, what's the difference?https://open.spotify.com/album/6aWlOsXRdLZYJSxIiaQfUUhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nIPW3zFWx3zZ0Ow3sQzRAJsnwE8HuVW1Q
>>127561057it's a different, more modern recording: he just re-recorded the piece when he was old. I much prefer the earlier recording from the late 60s I linked, but that one is alright too.this one's my second favoritehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18GKuD4CK2U&list=PL_NUYmjdb-G-IhYSyS9EXWh7J4gc1Lz9_
>>127558241I'm here to enlighten romantislop plebs and classishits, Plato warned against this type of music would lead to mental health issues and degrading the soul.If you're going to listen to romanticism, at least let it be Brahms, Mendelssohn, Chabrier, or Grieg, composers that don't indulge into hyper emotionalism.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RJkeKmtLnDY&pp=ygUheXVqYSB3YW5nIHBoaWxpcCBnbGFzcyBldHVkZSBubyA2
Brahms wasn’t even a romantic composer in my opinion. He was like a 60s band wearing a Sex Pistols t shirt and calling themselves punk but still playing the same music they always did
>>127561541He definitely was, and so was Beethoven. Any other opinion is misinformed.
>Beethoven >Romantic
>>127561460you talk like you're from /pol/ or discord
Only reason I still haven't killed myself:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ8DgEsrhyg
>>127556316>>127556329Attention gentleman-a reminder from /tv/ Bach and Before Ives and after is "Jewish social engineering for the goyim.Notice how the goy mutual aid society is the lowest of low brow interests, Planned Parenthood is ranked above the PTA, and the pinnacle of "high brow causes that all should aspire to is....Supporting degenerate Jewish art of course!Der Juden wasted no time after WW2! They got right to work remaking society in their imagie!"
Reposting this because I quite liked the look of this channel and the other results that came up and I don't want to forgethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVjftpDZTf8&ab_channel=ClassicalMusic%2F%2FReferenceRecording
Chopin saved humanity from extinction.
>>127562523Thr post ww2 composers are degenerate with some of thrm being alright, im talking about the music made between 1874-1945 that's not made by effeminate neurotics, please refer to my list faggot
>>127563027Stfu. >>127562668Thanks btw, discovered few recordings just right now with the channel.
>>127563060Make me n3gro
Chopin was just Polish Mozart or whatever nationality he was
>>127563304Chopin's solo piano music is so much better than Mozart's though.
>>127563027You fell for a Jewish psyop my guy
now playingstart of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5 In E Minor, Op. 64, TH.29https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN3U4bX-HvI&list=OLAK5uy_kCAHYc219etRBHIUxm-iLbaqvf35sxn6I&index=19start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 6 In B Minor, Op. 74, TH.30https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSsscmCvAxU&list=OLAK5uy_kCAHYc219etRBHIUxm-iLbaqvf35sxn6I&index=22https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kCAHYc219etRBHIUxm-iLbaqvf35sxn6I
>>127563349It would be really interesting to hear Mozart's genius put into Chopin's style, bel canto pianism and chromatic harmonies. And likewise, Chopin's genius into symphonic works. Why did most of the greatest melodists die before 40?
>>127563368Romanticism is much more of a psyop since that's when their emancipation began
>The Schubert Ninth Symphony has been done to death so often over the past 80 years that I rarely if ever deign to review a new recording of it, but Mariss Jansons, a conductor who is either brilliant or routine, is so evidently into the music here that I found his interpretation irresistible.>To begin with, it’s nice to know that Arturo Toscanini, who always felt that the “slow” introduction to this symphony was taken too slowly, was finally vindicated when the autograph score was consulted and it was discovered that the opening section of the first movement was not in C tempo, which is 4/4, but in “cut time” (¢), which is 2/2. It makes a great deal of difference, and thus pretty much nullifies every old recording of the symphony that took the opening section at half the prescribed tempo.https://artmusiclounge.wordpress.com/2018/08/09/jansons-magnificent-schubert-ninthoh shitOn that note, has anyone here tried Harnoncourt's Schubert cycle? thoughts?
After a hard day's work working down the coal mine-Karajan found time to conduct The Planets
>Friedrich Gulda's second set came at the very height of his technical facility and blew the (perceived) cobwebs off the 'heroic' Beethoven sonatas. It is a marvel of consistency and wondrous for the speed with which Gulda breezes through these works with a sense of joy and occasionally irreverence.>Although I have other favorites for about every individual sonata (save the Moonlight) this is my go-to and reference set (even as Backhaus II remains my favorite). More intense than Kempff, never lumbering like Kuerti, nor professorially sincere like Schiff, consistently more engaging in the late Sonatas than Ashkenazy, more flexible than Backhaus, not as patricianly flowing as Arrau, Gulda somehow manages to combine a highly personal reading with a compromising stance that appeals to the many rather than offending most. It could be argued that the "fresh" approach isn't necessary anymore and that Gulda has a tendency toward the superficial, but to my ears that does not detract from this astonishing achievement.I can appreciate Gulda's Beethoven piano sonatas cycle, and I understand many people who know far more about music and these pieces consider it the pinnacle of recordings of them, but it just isn't for me. It's too fast, too dry, and, hell, too small.
You know the full firebird is actually OK but it's like the Firebird Suite with 20 minutes of filler added. If only Mahler had learned the same lesson
>>127563530It's called the Rondo in A minor buddy
Brahms/Henkhttps://youtu.be/LsT6O01su0U?list=RDLsT6O01su0U
>>127564230I've heard that a million times. It's not even as sophisticated and expressive as early Chopin.
now playing, always tough deciding on which recording of these masterpieces to go withstart of Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRLBFj0EbEc&list=OLAK5uy_luBfTsBUI-5hjL4UOwM2N_CPLhtCOmr3k&index=2start of Brahms: 2 Songs, Op. 91https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMGDXStouho&list=OLAK5uy_luBfTsBUI-5hjL4UOwM2N_CPLhtCOmr3k&index=5start of Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZImVVptC2E&list=OLAK5uy_luBfTsBUI-5hjL4UOwM2N_CPLhtCOmr3k&index=7start of Brahms: 5 Songs, Op. 105https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHYRgzjTpiI&list=OLAK5uy_luBfTsBUI-5hjL4UOwM2N_CPLhtCOmr3k&index=10https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_luBfTsBUI-5hjL4UOwM2N_CPLhtCOmr3k>>127564342Nice
>>127563349too emo and gay sounding for that
>>127563774>working down the coal mine?
Wand!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0yGoFm2RUU&list=OLAK5uy_kFmKSuFArMR2Jw7hfqv-xdkbzUiazdavY&index=13>>127565805They're making a joke about the lighting on the cover, and how the dark contrast spots on his face looks like he was working in the coal mines before arriving at his second job of being a conductor.
>>127565820Funny, guy
>>127562523Ives and after is Jewish slop.
Glasshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMV850rhcQM
thoughts on Havergal Brian?
>>127565919Classic Autumn music
>>127565999Glass is a man for no season
best Autumnal symphonies, concertos or chamber works?
>>127565906>post 1945 is Jewish slopFtfy, please stop listening to over emotive romantic music, it's probably making anxious and lack clear headed thinking.
>>127565906I think it’s more the American influence. Americans love slop. Notice how based Schnittke was Russianhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAVVXff_4BM
>>127559979>no poetry after auschwitzYou can blame a lot of you know who's for suppressing those geniuses, the 1874-1945 world was the last gasp of poetry and genius from the European mind
>>127566073Even worse, a mentally ill convalescent.
>>127566125si hombre
Bachhttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5JoOtnaevI&list=OLAK5uy_lXU2oy0fWdKYTqYfvc4Qv2tcunFj-B-tE
>>127556229By the way, what's up with Boston? Zero classical music concerts for the entire Labor Day weekend. Awful!
>>127567039>Labor Day
>>127567160You look like you never did a day of hard labor in your life so I'm not sure why you're so agitated by that.
>>127566051https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVZIaWtQRos
>>127567525suck start a rifle you fucking communist. I always spend Labor Day doing yard work just as a big "fuck you!" to the entire labor movement.
>>127567599
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN1jwRK-b9c
Wagner has the greatest sensitivity to nature that anyone has ever possessed; compared to his Rhinegold, even Goethe's “Lieder” about water fade to songs about mist, cloud and river. Beethoven, in the scherzo of the 9th Symphony (which Wagner completely misunderstood just because of this), may have revealed a deeper relationship to the stars than Wagner did in Tannhäuser; perhaps Schubert better understood the brook, and Weber the demonic spirit of the forest; but a feeling for nature of such intensity, of a range that commands the whole earth, everything on its surface, in its atmosphere, and in its interior, has not yet been realized in any other person to the extent that it is in Wagner.
What are you slant-eyed gooks doing to that poor animal?
8:00 GMT and after, 11:00 GMT and before.
>>127567039Go watch a ballgame at Fenway Park, guy. That’s more your speed methinks, need to larp as a cultured European.
>>127568638no need*
Bachhttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=gqeHl8W1VyE
I fucking hate Romanticism, if it isn't little bit of Brahms, Mendelssohn, Chabrier, Franck, The Russian 5, Late Liszt, or Grieg it's fucking trash. Plato was right about music, Adorno is a fucking kike, and Chopin, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Schumann, and some Wagner are all mentally ill neurotics that will ruin your spirit.STOP LISTENING TO ROMANTICISM AND CLASSICISM
>>127568147>pic related
You want to hear a joke?[spoiler]Romanticism/Classicism[/spoiler]
ROMANTICISM IS TRASHOMANTICISMISTRASH
>>127565601But anon, Mozart is gay sounding
>>127565938Fun symphonies.
>>127569009>American culture
>>127559685opera/lieder is only worth listening to if the singer died before WW2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeZbMnwF1WI
>>127569244nice
Which composer has the smelliest fanbase?
>>127569514Clara Schumann, closely followed by Messiaen
let's try Pollini's Chopin Nocturneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDaeVGAzgqo&list=OLAK5uy_miiRAYnN8k-oy9p6LydL2bYa70nrHQj4c&index=8
>>127569514>>127569655>Not SorabjiMissed opportunity
>>127559685You just keep trying every so often. Lieder is more palatable to me than opera. And sacred music and its choral singing is superior to both.
>>127569922>And sacred music and its choral singing is superior to both.Absolutely based, but opera is shit
>>127569514Chopin. Except his fanbase smell like perfume, lotions, delicate shampoo
>start listening to new recording of Rachmaninoff's Preludes and Etudes>applause after every pieceO_Onot really but imagine how annoying that'd be
>>127570527How about some extra coughing, to spice things up.
>>127569922>>127569963Plebs aways favour choral music over other types of classical vocal music. It's as far as they can go in extricating the standards of pop vocals.
>>127570569All I know is Verdi's Requiem blows me away while his Aida or La Traviata just makes me want to run away.
Spend Labor Day Weekend listening to an entire Beethoven piano sonata cycle, you won't regret it and you'll be better off for it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi9jVgP94ZA
>>127570577Because you're a fucking pleb.
>>127570589no thanks. I spend Labor Day doing yardwork and other types of manual labor purely out of spite.
>>127570630That's amusing.
>>127570637it's in the name, duh. how else is one supposed to celebrate Labor Day?
>>127570672lol yes I got the joke, that's why it's amusing.
Are there any good recording's of Franz's lieder?
>>127570589>>127570630>american "holidays"
>>127570764kill yourself, ausnigger.
>>127570788>he thinks I'm a*glolel
>>127570805anglos are the master race. cry about it.
>>127570970More like sharter race
>>127569244that's actually very nice, is all of Winterreise sung in this subdued manner?
I don't know why, but seeing this cover art line up with this particular thumbnail made me laugh
>>127569244I really like how he sings. Since there doesn't seem to be a record of his singing the complete cycle, can anyone recommend anybody that sounds similar?
Bachhttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=sUqXpbSR7yM
A daring synthesis.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyze2Su0krkHarpsichord and organ sound great together!
Bach can be so fucking boring sometimes, god. And I play Bach. Gimme something romantic and I'll never complain.
>>127571538I feel you, but that's why you gotta play Bach romanticallyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSguoMdZnYk&list=OLAK5uy_kgIDgCo9-Y3Ge_qzbkY8rpRQ42556UyYU&index=14As my stepfather loves to say: oooh yeah
>>127571716It's more about the form than playing style. For me, at least.
I don't comprehend people bitching about or clowning on Rachmaninov. Yes, he's easy on the ear and hence popular, but how can you honestly claim his music doesn't blow you away? Picrel makes my whole being ache. Contrarianism has no place in classical music.
Can someone tell me which Brahms chamber piece was described as having an opening like 'peeling leaves'? I can't find it.
>>127571903It's mostly shitposting, no one who enjoys classical music can dislike Rach. But some people just can't into romantic as much, it's actually not easy on ears for quite a lot of people. Especially those used to classical and baroque harmony.
>>127571903>>127571954I still maintain it's autists without heart, people who are only about form and can't enjoy something for its emotional power. You'll notice the same people who dislike Rachmaninoff here generally dislike Chopin too.
You now realize that piano quintets are baroque concertos for the romantic period
>>127571974That's just musical illiteracy at its finest.Late Chopin's form had far surpassed all his predecessors whose name wasn't Beethoven:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbXnlYkpib8
>>127571974That's like saying a movie riddled with plotholes is good because it delivers on emotion. Good emotional impact necessitates consistency in screenwriting. So does emotional impact necessitate good form. If a piece has shitty form it doesn't matter how many tricks you pull, it won't be emotionally resonant to anyone besides a person with the mind of an infant
>>127572017Let me put it this way: sometimes you only realize how good the form is if it emotionally resonates with you.
Modernism in its entirety is boring. Modernism was a mistake. Movie music is what we should consider the successor of Romanticism. Ligeti and Schnittke made the right call to switch to film music, mindbroken chuds like Stravinsky could just never move on. Once your mind is raped completely even an abyss is not a refuge.
>>127572017yes like with some pop slop it's like they're trying to manipulate the listeners emotions but i see through it. i might still enjoy the sound quality or just be less bored than with silence or masking some annoying background noise but it's like enjoying a tasty burger it's not like a life-changing emotional experience.
>>127572292Liget more like spaghetti.
now playingstart of Schumann: Fantasie in C Major, Op. 17https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnzWcGAuXF0&list=OLAK5uy_lDGhGk3zY1GkC_EYAGDWQizu0e1NinR6g&index=2start of Schumann: Piano Sonata No. 2 in G Minor, Op. 22https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCq8q1vlkes&list=OLAK5uy_lDGhGk3zY1GkC_EYAGDWQizu0e1NinR6g&index=5start of Schumann: Symphonic Etudes, Op. 13https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szUuNrNXpBc&list=OLAK5uy_lDGhGk3zY1GkC_EYAGDWQizu0e1NinR6g&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lDGhGk3zY1GkC_EYAGDWQizu0e1NinR6g
Schubert's 9th is kinda a strange sounding symphony, no? The structure is distinctly demarcated -- there's the robust main themes, and then everything else sounds like a mix between a bridge and a build-up. It's very prog-rockish. Build-up, bridge, build-up, bridge, chorus, repeat.
Schumann gave us 2 of the perhaps greatest symphonies ever composed, the first is Rhenish, composed by himself, and the second is Schubert's 9th, discovered and promoted by Schumann, without whom we might've never heard of it. Thanks Robert.
so many great recordings of Bruckner's 4th, and ones left to discover and listen to for the first time, which to start my day with, aahhhhhhhhhhhguess I can continue with my current exploration, trust, and praise of Wandhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Ye8eEwMrk&list=OLAK5uy_lRsM0tiREvIF4vHiLZLxA0EIegPty1msE&index=1
>>127570569Maybe because it doesn't sound like a bird dying and doesn't scrape the eardrums? And Most normies don't think about the Palestrina, Tallis or the Franco-Flemish school when talking about choral music
>>127571716Sounds like Cesar Franck, and thats not bad at all>>127571994>You now realize that piano quintets are baroque concertos for the romantic period>>127571994>You now realize that piano quintets are inferior baroque concertos for the romantic periodFTFY>>127572292You could've used composers that suck like Stockhausen, Webern, Boulez. Ligeti was actually interesting and idiosyncratic, and the Stravinsky slander is pure pleb faggotry
beethoven's piano violin sonata numero two
now playingstart of Beethoven: Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 15 in D, Op. 28 -"Pastorale"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TVcymTsXJY&list=OLAK5uy_kKPF7Rjd-6tDB-oExD5H6VfVZckHq_95E&index=51start of Beethoven: Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 17 in D minor, Op. 31 No. 2 -"Tempest"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RseSgFMbS_k&list=OLAK5uy_kKPF7Rjd-6tDB-oExD5H6VfVZckHq_95E&index=59start of Beethoven: Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 18 in E flat, Op. 31 No. 3 -"The Hunt"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrhjqcdR_eU&list=OLAK5uy_kKPF7Rjd-6tDB-oExD5H6VfVZckHq_95E&index=62https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kKPF7Rjd-6tDB-oExD5H6VfVZckHq_95E
>>127569070Mozart is as far from gay as you can get
>>127573948I'm sorry Anon, but its gay.
>>127573948Worst take in months. Mozart is quite literally the gayest composer to have ever lived. What are you smoking you retarded troll
>mfw I tell classinormies my favorite modern composers are Straviinsky, Schmitt, Webern, Sibelius and Orff>"oohhh anon what diverse taste in music you have">mfw these men all had positive relations with the Third Reich and Mussolini>mfw I'm Hitler-coding my classical music tastes and normies don't even know it
>>127574136overly whiny and emotional stuff like Chopin is what is gayMozart is so mature and controlled that retards here frequently even call him "boring". that's as far from gay as you can get.hell, the guy above you, who called Mozart gay, has a bunch of images of muscular man saved to spam here. I think whatever he likes is what is actually gay
>be me>put on recording of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier>10 minutes in, fall asleep for a 2 and a half hour nap>wake up>restart the recording from the beginninglet's hope we don't repeat
>>127574261What will you say when you inevitably come across the person who will respond, "Uh, weren't they, like, a Nazi? Or supporter of Hitler?"
>>127574921Gay means happy, literally speaking. "matured and controlled", are you 16? Or is it your Mozart phase?Not being able to appreciate Chopin is a huge L btw. Maybe try >>>/mu/
get comfy and listen to the Otmar Suitner/Staatskapelle Berlin Dvorak symphony cyclehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiRWKKYB5NI&list=OLAK5uy_l_Wjl97B6nM5pv3cESIt284XIH_BgAs_U&index=1
>>127575052>I know isn't great, nigga heil hitler
>>127574921>>has a bunch of images of muscular man saved to spam here. I think whatever he likes is what is actually gay>he doesn't have his ideal physique saved on laptop/computer at all timesNGMI
>>127575262>"matured and controlled", are you 16?Chopin is peak 16-year-old classical, and how on earth are those not qualities one should look for in music?>"huge L"and you call others 16
>>127573948>>127574136>>127575262>>127577783>talking about Chopin and Mozart>fights and distress arise and general turmoil overtakes all of your soulsBABIAAPlato predicted this, its not too late to repent you effeminate neurotics, Bach has the answer, and Ives has the sword the make you men
>>127577633>>127574261t.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUohIpYMnKg
Bachhttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=PLpp8ssarzY
now playingstart of Schumann: Kinderszenen, Op. 15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFwEumKvUkU&list=OLAK5uy_laZO7BakAESZeHs5cYWfDtHY3fAlgs4xY&index=2Schumann: Arabeske, Op. 18https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlF5XGAwrtU&list=OLAK5uy_laZO7BakAESZeHs5cYWfDtHY3fAlgs4xY&index=15start of Schumann: Davidsbündlertänze, Op. 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtvVX5Jnk18&list=OLAK5uy_laZO7BakAESZeHs5cYWfDtHY3fAlgs4xY&index=15https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_laZO7BakAESZeHs5cYWfDtHY3fAlgs4xY>Immerse yourself in the enchanting world of Tiffany Poon, "classical pianist of the new generation", who makes her Pentatone debut with her album Diaries: Schumann. Through her vivid interpretation of Robert Schumann's masterpieces, Tiffany invites us on a journey through her musical diary. With a selection ranging from the introspective Kinderszenen to the passionate Davidsbundlertanze, she creates a tapestry that reflects the different aspects of her life and her personal growth. With this album Tiffany aims to invite the listeners to connect with the different aspects of ourselves, be vulnerable and imaginative like Schumann's Eusebius and Florestan. This album encourages daydreaming in open spaces, "feeling all the feels", without any judgement. Experience the brilliance of this rising star as she shares her innermost thoughts and musical prowess through the captivating melodies of Schumann.
>yuja wangchallenger appears>tiffany poon
Mahler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2XC2tZGLmQ
>>127563774lol. Karajan always has the funniest covers.
>>127579228lol
now playingstart of Martinu: Symphony No. 1, H. 289https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLzpUydT2R0&list=OLAK5uy_lmZB_N0Ic2OYkWNyZEIashgtf-ATYM_HM&index=2start of Martinu: Symphony No. 2, H. 295https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHnt43PqvA4&list=OLAK5uy_lmZB_N0Ic2OYkWNyZEIashgtf-ATYM_HM&index=6start of Martinu: Symphony No. 3, H. 299https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgThDZGuQfo&list=OLAK5uy_lmZB_N0Ic2OYkWNyZEIashgtf-ATYM_HM&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lmZB_N0Ic2OYkWNyZEIashgtf-ATYM_HM
>>127556229https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4J_pGowo5Q
>This five star production infuriates me--why has Barenboim inflicted himself on the world as a two-star conductor when he was consistently doing five-star work from the keyboard?damn>This disc would be unalloyed joy...if we just didn't have that nagging feeling that we're listening to a great artist who took the advice of a mediocre career counselor.damn!
>>127577783>Chopin is peak 16-year-old classicalYou are not even 16 judging by your posts. Quite embarrassing.
>>127575052>"Yeah, I love the aesthetics of that era."Simple. If they're reasonable they'll just shrug it off, if they're a boomer or a liberal pussy they'll ask for my politics and I'll clarify that I don't believe in national socialism.
>>127581966who's an edgy boy? you're an edgy boy, oh yes you are.
>>127572919>It's very prog-rockish.yes. It's shit. only pseuds defend Schubert and his myriad defects as a composer.
>>127582034>yes. It's shit. only pseuds defend Schubert and his myriad defects as a composer.
>>127582221nice lack of an argument you have there.
>>127582439My sole argument is a heavy punch in your stupid face
>>127571934Still waiting for a reply. The piece in question had a really unusual opening sound.
>>127582575fuck off.
>>127571934>>127582575Described by whom?
>>127582595I think it was on the wikipedia page but I can't find it now and I listened to the opening of what I thought was every Brahms chamber piece and none of them sound like it.
>>127582609If you couldn't find it, it's unlikely anyone else here is going to. If you remember the melody, write it down or sing it, google can recognize them, or maybe someone here will. If you don't, why even bother? Just listen to his good chamber pirces and enjoy, clarinet quintet, sextets, piano quintet etc.Alternatively, ask GPT to deep search for whatever you found on wikipefia and it'll find it for you.
>>127582635But I really liked it. Maybe one day I'll find it.
>>127580472You seem to be lost, friend.>>>/mu/ is down the hall and to the right
>>127582731I offered solutions. It seems you just don't want to solve your own problems.
I want to get more into classical music, could I get like a rough list of a few composers per each notable period or style, so that I can go through them one by one?
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a19yb8WotxEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCjYyL_vxqA
>>127582941kill yourself.
>>127582941Start in the reverse order from the late romantic, so you're not scared off by the rococo, the last romantic composer, Rachmaninoff:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2xQodIz01s&list=OLAK5uy_lgVzHhxfdv3NXjHGu_2cb1jEuh7RdahIQ&index=33Middle romantic, Brahms:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2uagoorsKw&list=OLAK5uy_ldDmqHsMAPS3GZuAcXAGXp3pYya3hpgXQ&index=13Early romantic, Beethoven:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBUNHCigc1s&list=OLAK5uy_mHAMWgaTjn2xJTqzRos14q2wyB1jd3sLA&index=1Classical, Mozart:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR-WuqndgxQ&list=OLAK5uy_nMwATAmjsrWjPFqQ5sjF_Uq-GsRBe6ioQ&index=4Baroque, Bach:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aTQ3RHDHCYYou can skip the renaissance for now and focus on better music, but if you insist, Josquin:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGs1nm04YT0&list=OLAK5uy_nLS9aNm42w795Jrz-gkYVoCNwjZOqY2RU&index=1Who knows, you might prefer renaissance, or even modernist atonal shite. I wouldn't bother though.
https://youtu.be/BvsvaCU6i1M?si=RCh-QqD0EUb0PfVURemember when TwoSet destroyer a guy's life just because he had fun playing fast on a TV show once? Kek
The three Hs: Handel, Haydn, Hindemith
>>127583616Why would you put Hindemith in the same post as Handel and Haydn, actually great composers?
>>127582941I do have a copypasta I usually post for newbies if you're interested. Fuck it, here's it:Try Beethoven's 3rd and 7th and then 9th symphonies. Mozart 39, 40, 41. Tchaikovsky 4 and 6. Dvorak 8 and 9. Schumann's and Brahms' symphonies, Haydn's Paris Symphonies, Bruckner's 5th and 7th and 8th, Mendelssohn's 3rd, 4th, and 5th.Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto no. 1. Beethoven piano concerto 4 and 5. Mozart piano concertos 19 through 27. Bach's Keyboard Concertos (I prefer the versions with piano, look up the ones performed by Schiff). Schumann's Piano Concerto. Rachmaninoff's other piano concertos (1, 3, 4).Beethoven and Brahms' and Tchaikovsky's and Dvorak's and Mendelssohn's violin concerto. Bach's violin concertos and double concerto.Beethoven's violin sonata 7, 8, 9, and 10. Bach's violin sonatas and partitas (1, 2, and 3 for both). Mozart's violin sonatas. Brahms' violin sonatas.Dvorak's cello concerto. Schumann's. Haydns'. Beethoven's cello sonata 3 and 4. Brahms' cello sonatas. Bach's cello suites. Prokofiev cello sonata. Mendelssohn cello sonata 2.Beethoven's piano sonatas, all of the ones that have a named title (eg Pathetique, Waldstein, Moonlight, Les Adiuex, Tempest). some Mozart piano sonatas. Bach's Well Tempered Clavier, both books. Schubert's piano sonatas D.960 and 959 and 958(?). Prokofiev piano sonata 6. Chopin Ballades and Etudes 10 and 25.Beethoven's string quartets 12-16. Mozart's 'Haydn' string quartets and string quintets. Brahms' string quintets. Dvorak's string quartet 12. Mendelssohn string quartet 6.Bach's cantatas, 51 and 140.Try a couple from each and keep exploring whichever form you like the most at that moment. Feel free to come back and ask whenever you can't decide and/or need help deciding on recordings (the recording, as in the interpretation and performance, matters a ton, as it can change the sound, power, and emotions of the music dramatically). Come back when you've listened to it all. Enjoy!
I've ranted about this before but lemme get it off my chest again: I hate how inconvenient it is these recent recordings that don't use the piece name in the title of the album, but some kind of custom, artsy title. I like it as a creative concept, of course, but it makes it impossible to discover the album by normal means.Let's say you're trying to find a new and recent recording of Brahms late piano works, how would you find it? By searching "brahms late piano" or "brahms 118" or some combination of that. But when the album has a custom name, like I don't know, "Visions of Love" or some shit, or even when you are fortunate enough for them to include the composer's name, "Visions of Brahms," these releases won't show up in your search results for that, so how the fuck are you supposed to find them!?Take this one, for example: >>127579009. All the times I searched "schumann kindserszenen" or "schumann davisbundlertanze", looking for new recordings of those pieces to try, that album never came up. I got lucky because I got bored and outright searched "schumann" on Amazon and it showed up on the front page. What if the title didn't have "Schumann" in it? I would have never found it! So annoying.
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>>127584147Do you have one with more boring predictable suggestions?
>>127563581Gave it a listen. I think it's kind of boring like most modern performances of Schubert's 9th. The Jansons performance, like many others, spends too much time on the microdetail at the cost of the bigger picture; all the dynamics are irritatingly observed to the point of what I would described as pedantic, and the big moments don't really go for much by comparison to other recordings. For example, I'm always listening to the big loud climax of the development section. It's loud, abrasive, and dissonant. It *needs* to sound like someone is giving you a punch in the gut. The trombones need to cut through the texture above everything else to give it its proper impact.>Jansonshttps://litter.catbox.moe/usg1o3h8iybs2lt7.mp3I would say Jansons' development section climax starts out well, with a surprising amount of attention to the microdetail through the textures. You really hear a lot of color and attention to all the instruments. There's a good deal of transparency here. However, at the actual climax itself, the strings are too far forward and the trombones are way too tame. >Leibowitzhttps://litter.catbox.moe/ozdw2becggipu4dq.mp3Leibowitz doesn't get as much microdetail through the orchestral textures, but he does get the big picture. It's properly loud and forward, and it feels like an actual climax worthy of foreshadowing the great dissonant crash in the 2nd movement. It's just far more exciting than Jansons (and, yes, he takes the introduction of the symphony at the proper tempo, far before it became the norm)>Harnoncourthttps://litter.catbox.moe/74r0wmc3h5s3wlzi.mp3Just as much microdetail as Jansons' recording, but with a proper climax at the tail end with pounding trombones and timpani (in the Leibowitz the trombones overtake the texture entirely)>Mengelberghttps://litter.catbox.moe/xg8sh58rwqwbovvj.mp3It's in mono, but I don't think anyone else has quite captured the danger of the climax like this recording has. It's like artillery fire.
>>127584850?They asked for entry-level... anon, why you trolling me.
>>127580472>>127582737This is modern classical peasant
>>127584860Sometimes I do wonder if there is some kind of backchanneling favor-trading or incentivizing going on with these reviewers and critics, and is sometimes the reason why they give new recordings effusive, superlative praise. Not always, of course, sometimes they think the recording is just that good that they must tell the world, but some of the time.Anyway great post as always, this is the kind of content we need more of. I should start making posts like this more often myself. What's your favorite modern Schubert 9?Also while searching up to check the release date of Harnoncourt's cycle, just discovered Muti has a complete Schubert cycle too, huh, didn't know.
>>127584860what about Abbado? he has a famous Schubert cycle
>>127581645I'm certainly not the one of us who talks like they are underage
>>127574261>Straviinsky> positive relations with the Third Reich
>>127581994what's edgy about not believing in national socialism
now playingstart of Schumann: Symphony No. 1 in B-Flat Major, Op. 38 "Spring"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ_mpsluWRk&list=OLAK5uy_mQ1kTxzZ7TmEw9hTfzuBlaFFPcV0C6sbE&index=2start of Schumann: Symphony No. 2 in C Major, Op. 61https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFr88gdD_GM&list=OLAK5uy_mQ1kTxzZ7TmEw9hTfzuBlaFFPcV0C6sbE&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mQ1kTxzZ7TmEw9hTfzuBlaFFPcV0C6sbE
>>127584993>What's your favorite modern Schubert 9?As in 21st century modern? Probably Mackerras' last recording with the Philharmonia. He has an earlier recording on Telarc with a pared down orchestra that's quite good too, but I prefer a full orchestra. My only complaint is that, like 99% of modern recordings, it's not quite as fast as I'd like it after the Andante introduction. Also, like most British conductors, his sonority is just a tad too bright. Still, it's by and far one of the only modern recordings of this piece that I'd considering good. Not as great as my favorites, but still quite good. For comparison, here's his development section climax: https://litter.catbox.moe/ah0k3kfjxh5rz8f3.mp3Kind of like a mix between Harnoncourt and Leibowitz, and brighter than both. I like it.>>127585018Not great. It's even more boring than the Jansons.
>>127585214Neat, thanks. I usually avoid Mackerras, and anything else HIP-adjacent, but I'll give it a peep on your recommendation. >This is a wonderful performance, full of color, energy, and stylish expression. It’s instructive to compare Charles Mackerras’ intelligent, comprehensive view of this work with the narcissistic antics of conductors such as Simon Rattle, who splatter the music with all sorts of interpretive graffiti, losing sight of its long, lyrical lines in the process.lol
I have recently taken up piano. Could I get some recommendations for beginner / beginner-intermediate level piano classical pieces to learn?
>>127585302Linking to reddit and their resources because I rarely see people get much assistance here. Here's a link to the relevant section in the FAQ on /r/piano,https://www.reddit.com/r/piano/wiki/faqtest/#wiki_how_do_i_get_started_playing_piano.3FAnd here's a link pulled from going down one of the top overview posts from that FAQ which should prove useful to you, the one in pic,https://1drv.ms/w/s!Avwxj1KOx3T1i8B9leOO_JQpaR-oOABest of luck and happy learning!
>>127585043You certainly are, anon. See what I quoted in that post, and have some self awareness.
Boston looks like a nice place
>>127585419thanks anon, I'm reading through it now
Do you guys buy vinyls of classical music? Where and which ones?
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 1 in F Minor, Op. 2 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fvF3E3FqWg&list=OLAK5uy_nw7N6BAkN4FH8YXmotmx040VoLsCXXp5c&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 2 in A Major, Op. 2 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6s5AOFtEjg&list=OLAK5uy_nw7N6BAkN4FH8YXmotmx040VoLsCXXp5c&index=6start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 3 in C Major, Op. 2 No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyfRzTcc8zw&list=OLAK5uy_nw7N6BAkN4FH8YXmotmx040VoLsCXXp5c&index=10start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 4 in E-Flat Major, Op. 7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkBux7U0GAs&list=OLAK5uy_nw7N6BAkN4FH8YXmotmx040VoLsCXXp5c&index=14start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 5 in C Minor, Op. 10 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I5XyZlLAp8&list=OLAK5uy_nw7N6BAkN4FH8YXmotmx040VoLsCXXp5c&index=17https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nw7N6BAkN4FH8YXmotmx040VoLsCXXp5cExcited to revisit this cycle because I've since gained a whole new level of appreciation of the early period piano sonatas, and a deeper love and understanding of the middle ones.
>>127585760Damn, with all of the sets I've been listening to lately with slower tempos and either weightier or softer interpretations, this sounds blisteringly fast and almost aggressive, certainly agile. Fortunately Kovacevich is a master in the slower movements, skillfully providing them with the required sensitivity and heart. This type of playing is closer to Beethoven's original vision, huh? I should look up the booklet that comes with this set and read Kovacevich's writings on it.Anyway, as always, highly recommended, sounds fantastic. Kovacevich does a great job of making these early piano sonatas sound like masterpieces with gravitas, instead of playful trifles and juvenilia like some pianists, where you get the sense they don't really take them seriously and it comes through in their playing and resulting quality.>Kovacevich himself has spoken of his love for the "fun and virtuosity" of the composer's early sonatas, while in the often challenging later works he sees a "subtext of radiance and some sort of inherent faith in life."
>>127585963by 'as always, highly recommended' I mean Kovacevich's Beethoven, which I've recommended many times in past, and really his performances in general, and not every 'now playing' recording I post.
>>127585453>Anon who continuously praises Chopin as worthy of being a top 10 composer asks others to have self-awareness
>>127586004I'll be honest the only Beethoven by Kovacevich that I like is his Diabelli's (which, granted, is my favorite recording of that work)
>>127586831>anon who underrates greatest composers comes back with yet another "no u" responseHow surprising!
>>127586864Ah, why's that? Again, it's too fast and taut to be one of my personal favorite cycles, but it's always my main recommendation when the person asking considers those virtues, which is pretty often around here. I'd choose it over, say, Gulda's, which is probably blasphemy to most people.
>>127587045i find his attention to dynamics to be severely lacking. I always like to look at a score and think of what the piece is trying to say before deciding in what to look for in my "desert island" disc, and I find he doesn't prioritize contrasts which I would if I played
>>127587137Fair enough, thanks.
Brahms' second piano concerto is far and away the greatest piano concerto of all-time. The closest contender? Brahms' first piano concerto. Then Beethoven 5, Tchaikovsky 1, and Rach 2 and 3.
>>127587457>no Mozart
>>127587513I truly, deeply wish I loved them more.
>>127587457THIS is how the official /classical/ ranking goes:>S tierRach 2Brahms 2Rach 3Schumann Mozart 23 >A tierBeethoven 5 Prokofiev 3 Mozart 20 Mozart 24Chopin 1 Prokofiev 2 Rach 1 Mozart 21 Mozart 25 Rach 4 Brahms 1>B tierThe rest.It's pointless to put a single piece "above all", a more nuanced approach is more accurate. While Brahms 2 is GOATed, it is incorrect to say it's rank above or below Rach 2, 3, Mozart 23 or Schumann.
>>127587674Hmm, I appreciate the effort, and I don't see anything particularly egregi-- wait, where's Tchaikovsky's?
>>127587799>where's Tchaikovsky's?In S tier of violin concertos
>SS+ tierMozart 22
Tchaikovsky's piano writing wasn't his strong suit, so I assume that's why it never left a big impression on me. A great piano concerto requires good piano writing and masterful handling of textures (most finely executed by Rachmaninoff), among other things. And the concerto itself is hit or miss, it's not consistently great. You know the issues it has. High B tier for sure though.>>127587894Never cared for it.
>>127587920oh that's a shame, it's my all-time favorite Mozart piece alongside his clarinet quintet and Figaro
>>127587674rachmaninoff's concertos are kitsch garbage
>>127587974we know
>>127587944Clarinet quintet is good. 22nd is a strange choice, it's surrounded by masterpieces, but it lacks the charm that they have.>>127587974Try >>>/mu/, shameless samefag
Mozart is comically awful. I don't know on what levels of irony one must be to appreciate his music.
>>127588048You just have to pretend you're in 18th century concert hall, surrounded by aristocracy, with a modern piano from future. It's a strange experience indeed.
speaking of Tchaikovsky's piano music, just found out Yunchan Lim came out with a recording of his piano cycle The Seasons last month. Nice, been wanting more recordings of this work.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFAwQyNdoVQ&list=OLAK5uy_k9wkifod5h52kfoq8WzHNB9NN_VILC1zA&index=1
>>127588048it seems he became a meme for his child prodigy piano playing skills but people seem to think he's goated for his compositions... i don't get it.
>>127587974agreed
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why can't the English into solo piano music?
>>127589427John Ireland's pretty good.
>>127589052i'll give the 23 a spin, but usually the normie-friendly videos about mozart point to lacrimosa as being like his ultimate masterpiecehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1-TrAvp_xs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2_keJsJrAE
let us seize the means of production on Labor Day, listen to Shostakovichhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ogR9UIVV7A&list=OLAK5uy_mhw6LWLDMx7upRrjcFn6ZU3Yni3Ip2vr4&index=1
>>127589773But I immediately recognized them all! except for the Divertimento and Sonata 4 4 Hands. Mozart's melodies are just that distinctive and memorable. Neat video tho
>>127587674Grieg and List deserve to at least be in B tier.
>>127589870i don't like them that much though they're just recognizable from having been spammed since childhood. why won't modern composers make stuff with similar vibes if they're that good? the genius stuff is kind of nonsense, enough people are studying music these days that some of them should be able to do it.
>>127589904Some combination of the old greats used up most of the good (tonal) melodies, that in this age and environment that kind of music in a new piece comes across as banal and antiquated and you have to create what will be accepted by and promoted by the cultural institutions and patrons, and that artists are always trying to be on the forefront of aesthetics -- ie "if you want something like Mozart, listen to Mozart, I'm trying to do my own thing for our own time"
>no smug pepe at an opera house or classical concert
>>127584822make it happen
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