Charles-Valentin Alkan edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGNwFRkCI2E&list=OLAK5uy_k5BnCmVsE7jboL4PAoxoylQCk0n3mCK74&index=1This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>127727698
neat image I came across. full-sized version was too large for 4chan so hopefully this recap will suffice
>>127762418Notice anything?
>>127762418Must have been crazy to live through the years of Schoenberg, Strauss, Vaughan Williams, or Sibelius -- to have lived from Van Gogh through Welles' Citizen Kane.
>>127762436I'm always surprised when you post this IQ stuff because your love of Rachmaninoff and Chopiin make me, for whatever reason, assume you'd be a peacenik, egalitarian leftist.
>>127762385hmm alright tough guy, sound like you'd be more of a gouda fanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1gozWD6HGg&list=OLAK5uy_m_afPa6Mlu26qm3BjKrYKKDCFhkrLRxAo&index=76
>>127762436how do we know the issue isn't how they're defining "innovations"? the computer was so world-altering most of our brain power has been dedicated to making progressions within that environment. I wouldn't be surprised if the web browser, social media, or the smartphone weren't counting as discrete innovations is my point.
Reminder only baroque is true music as it was intendedClassical = pop musicRomantic = emo music
>>127762497then I'm a proud emo poptimist <---me dancing to chopin's mazurkashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uh4iHowUj4
Giulio CacciniClaudio MonteverdiJan Pieterszoon SweelinckHans Leo HasslerJohann Hermann ScheinHeinrich SchützJean-Baptiste LullyJohann Sebastian BachGeorge Frideric HandelAntonio VivaldiTomás Luis de VictoriaDomenico PassioneiGiacobbe CervettoSalvatore LanzettiBenedetto MarcelloMarin MaraisJean de Sainte-ColombeGeorg Philipp TelemannJean-Baptiste DolléAntoine ForquerayArcangelo CorelliJohn EcclesFrançois CouperinLouis CouperinAlessandro ScarlattiDomenico Scarlatti
>>127762541is this a list of Renaissance painters and scholastic philosophers?
Francesco CavalliGiacomo CarissimiLuigi RossiDario CastelloTarquinio MerulaGiovanni LegrenziFrancesco GaspariniTomaso AlbinoniFrancesco DuranteFrancesco ManciniAntonio CaldaraFrancesco Maria VeraciniGiovanni Battista PergolesiLeonardo VinciNicola PorporaPietro LocatelliFrancesco GeminianiFrancesco Onofrio ManfrediniEvaristo Felice Dall’AbacoGiovanni Battista SammartiniSamuel ScheidtMichael PraetoriusDieterich BuxtehudeJohann PachelbelJohann KuhnauJohann David HeinichenJohann Joseph FuxJohann MatthesonJohann Friedrich FaschJohann Jakob FrobergerJohann Melchior MolterChristoph GraupnerWilhelm Friedemann BachCarl Philipp Emanuel BachGeorg BöhmHenry PurcellJohn BlowWilliam CroftMaurice GreeneJean-Philippe RameauMarc-Antoine CharpentierJean-Baptiste ForquerayAndré CampraMichel Richard DelalandeJoseph Bodin de BoismortierLouis-Nicolas ClérambaultArmand-Louis CouperinJuan Hidalgo de PolancoSebastián DurónFrancisco VallsJosé de TorresAntonio de Literes
>>127762541what is victoria doing in a baroque list?
>>127762661My bad
>>127762497kkkkkkkkkkkkk xD
okay this Schiff Beethoven piano sonatas cycle is starting to hurt my ears. passssss
>>127763172this movement for the curiouswww.youtube.com/watch?v=_fDfJZL69c0&list=OLAK5uy_lCQxCiMNASNrGpPkCcTkaxLvJbWDIkrPc&index=13see if y'all feel the same if you dare
Chopin's orchestration sucks so much shite, no wonder he stuck to the piano only outside of those two concertos
>>127763184>>127763172It's because Schiff's engineers really prioritize the higher frequency range which makes him tiring to listen to
>>127763234that'd make sense. it was a different repellent sensation than usual for recordings I'm not vibing with.
HIPbros, does amyone happen to have a link to an italian channel where they play different pieces on historical fortepianos? It's called something like "italian school of fortepiano" or somethinf like that (but the name is italian)
did the technological changes that allowed for the recording of popular music for the mass market kill classical?ie, with the opiate of popular music progressively reducing the audience for classical, the latter became increasingly academic and self-referential, putting aside the roles of melody and beauty in music in favour of a purely cerebral experience, thus entering a vicious cycle of further reducing its audience and further pushing itself further from accessibility and any chance of wide appeal?
>>127763275Classical always dies you retard, if you knew anything about history of art, you should know taste and culture changes with time. Even Bach was forgotten, and then re-discovered. Technology made "classical" more accesible to anyone than it has ever been, what makes classical special, is that it's beauty tracends time. No matter how many years passes by, the greatest will forever be the greatest and no matter how much pop slop goes out every day, they'll fall into obscurity, unlike classical, that will endure.
>>127763375Im not talking about killing appreciation for the existing classical canon you fucking spastic. Im talking about how new compositions changed throughout the C20th.
>>127763275No, it did not. If anything tech allowed and encouraged new composers to gain more fame. The reasons art music was made redundant are something else entirely.
>>127763275Read Adorno.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omepRsrRMw4&list=OLAK5uy_kj6hggHsjovxS5Mc0i4pVnQnrIRfL-N8gChristie is getting old brehs
>>127762436This fool should be banned
>>127764526I think you should be banned too
>>127764550probably
>>127762410besides Buniatishvili, what are some other pure sexo female classical performers or composers with big cans or dress revealingly?
>>127764697Kys retard coomer
>>127764697I only care about male classical performers :3
>>127732668https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwWQxLA03ywmozart
>>127764782why's he holding that tiny stick/
>>127764697Yuja Wang
Reminder Bach and after, before and not including Ives.
What composers deserve biopics? My vote would go to Wagner or Shostakovich, both had very dramatic and rich lives, the former especially. Wagner deserves a big, bombastic, all-stops-out Amadeus-style biopic, while for Shostakovich one could make an expressionistic chamber piece about his life in constant fear in Stalinist times.
>>127765658mozart
>>127764697https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxZSP1Dc78Q
>>127765658>Wagner deserves a big, bombastic, all-stops-out Amadeus-style biopicThey tried, got an all-star cast, got Vittorio Storaro for the cinematography so some of the shots look great, got Solti to conduct the score, filmed in the real life locations, but the director and script were garbage so it was just a waste of time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN1WLF8T_Oc
>>127765755Scat porno as he would have liked.
>>127765658>expressionistic chamber piece about his life in constant fear in Stalinist times.This is anti-Soviet propaganda. Shostakovich was a mild Stalinist and a committed conservative Marxist-Leninist throughout his life
>>127766645no propaganda is needed to be anti-Soviet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVjr_87dZG0I wish I were German
Maybe this is the wrong place to ask, but I'm a big fan of Nobuya Sugawa and have never moved out of a 1980s selmer C* since high school because of it. For the unlikely chance.... any old sax/clarinet playing boomers here that found any meaningful difference in mouthpieces to pay the $300 bucks for something like a backun TM2? Actually met Tim in person when doing a data science masters at Umich, he seemed like a trustworthy guy, would he really make a mouthpiece for no fucking reason?
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6xstbvCf1M&list=PLCLLlqew1C4igmkNJDkVCmTgKrpj1E9g2&index=11
https://youtu.be/vbHDc4cfh00?list=RDvbHDc4cfh00I wish I were Japanese
Any violinists here? I'm looking for interesting, challenging pieces that don't leave first position, since my ukuleles rangeaxes out at an A on what would be the violin E string>went from violin to guitar but picked up ukulele and don't want to repeat the faggy mistakes I made with guitar like relying on tablature and not knowing what notes I'm playing.
>>127767521Klimt on a recording of Wagner doesn't seem right, but I'm not big enough of a Wagnerite to really determine.
>>127767863You might have better luck asking on reddit.
Bachhttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=YkGnK0V-NT4
>Johann Sebastian-_->Carl Philipp Emanuel^_^
>>127767897It's a big difference in sensibility. There's nothing self-consciously artistic, artificial or decadent about Wagner.
Schubert is an indisputable GOAT.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q32VANWYBIY
>schoenberg:/>berg:D
>>127769423Well said. No wonder Klimt is so perfect for Mahler.
>Propaganda and Lies: Was Atonality Inevitable?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH_LHTlA17II just got reminded that CIA funded modernism. Reject 20th century music. Embrace romantic, classical and baroque.
>>127769925Musica Universalis is one of the only actually good youtube channels that talk about classical music in a opinionated manner. Wish there were more like him, most of what I find is usually trying to be exclusively educational, or it's retarded zoomer performers who go "bruh bruh this piece not be going hard fr" like twoset
>>127770035make your own channelI'll watch it
>>127770049:DI am thinking of starting one, been reading some textbooks as well for that purpose. I want to have a channel that properly critiques music old and new on their musical grounds. Mainly because I really hate the common critic-isms that plague critique of all music, where you have a bunch of subjective statements based on experience rather than actual critiques of the art itself like you would hear in any other medium. I want to finally write critiques that treat music like literature, like theater, like film, like paintings, like sculptures.Also just woke up from a dream where I finally made proper progress on my mozartian symphony and got it properly realized, then i forgot it when i woke up ;-;
>>127770035Yep, it's quite good. I'm listening to the discussion with Koczalski's Ghost now
it's a Hewitt morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztH58RKQI78&list=OLAK5uy_mV2fKy2RwJhFxR0AoPf50U7lmDs6T78ug&index=25>“Playing of this ease and assurance rarely has such a profound understanding of the material. This is no mechanical journey through the cycle of keys. This is life itself.” (The Observer)
>>127770103>Also just woke up from a dream where I finally made proper progress on my mozartian symphony and got it properly realized, then i forgot it when i woke up ;-;:(It'll return to you, anon.
>>127770210NTA, if I dont note what I dreamt right after I wake up, I forget it. Its a strange phenomenon
>>127770222I think that's pretty standard.
>>127770225yes, but why does that happen? what strange magic is this?
Do we think Hewitt's 1999 Goldberg Variations or her 2015 recording is better?1999https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHzcbQfIE0k&list=OLAK5uy_nyWjqP5pQpnIasOmLf_xxEt1RAEq5Pfac&index=12015https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03gWQFNVKE0&list=OLAK5uy_nSmosNQ5L8KpMyeACLoDvnzgBOP1oGhoQ&index=1
>>127770227it's how your brain works
>>127770227I mean, why not? Dreams are generally, in the brain's view, considered junk, superfluous, dispensable. Outside of rare occasions where the dream leaves an indelible, lasting mark, the brain is all too happy to immediately dispense with any memories of it into the proverbial mental recycle bin.
>>127770103the only problem is you're retarded.
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 5 in C Minor, Op. 10 No. 1 "Little Pathetique"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVN1Hq243DQ&list=OLAK5uy_m8WnQVcDiZde73ZynldLtdMzRcvu-SGwQ&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 11 in B-Flat Major, Op. 22https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh3SylPp_68&list=OLAK5uy_m8WnQVcDiZde73ZynldLtdMzRcvu-SGwQ&index=5start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 12 in A-Flat Major, Op. 26 "Funeral March"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ94LS1fNAU&list=OLAK5uy_m8WnQVcDiZde73ZynldLtdMzRcvu-SGwQ&index=9start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 26 in E-Flat Major, Op. 81a "Les adieux"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDCP61FPTBE&list=OLAK5uy_m8WnQVcDiZde73ZynldLtdMzRcvu-SGwQ&index=12https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m8WnQVcDiZde73ZynldLtdMzRcvu-SGwQ
>>127766645He was not some noble dissident and definitely conformed and did everything to stay on the Party's good side, but he certainly had a bad time from 1936 to 1953
Forget it Bach, it's Mahlerville...
>>127766645>>127770441I suspect, like most artists, he didn't really have deep feelings about the economics, aka reservations against communism/Maxist-Leninism per se, but with Stalin's wanton stranglehold on art.
>>127765658Richard Strauss and Havergal Brian.
>>127770556what's exciting about r. strauss's life? maybe that he had to function under the nazi regime and had to protect his jewish daughter-in-law at the same time... but is that a movie?
>>127770735read his wiki page and come back.
>>127770748i've actually read a biography of him. not a very cinematic life, but a great artist. what exciting happenings are you thinking of particularly?
now playingstart of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 18 in G, D.894https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZcCOeSS-as&list=OLAK5uy_l1rgtFJl-0jPPAKLueeOsDQiloD99YkF0&index=28start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 19 in C minor, D.958https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d227qOh8XNk&list=OLAK5uy_l1rgtFJl-0jPPAKLueeOsDQiloD99YkF0&index=35start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 20 in A, D.959https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeNpU9S9Jno&list=OLAK5uy_l1rgtFJl-0jPPAKLueeOsDQiloD99YkF0&index=30https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1rgtFJl-0jPPAKLueeOsDQiloD99YkF0Really wish this set had a better album cover. No one wants to look at octogenarian goblin Barenboim sitting at the piano in what looks like a mob-run diner given the surroundings and outfit.
>>127770782>No one wants to look at octogenarian goblin Barenboimor listen to him for that matter.
>>127770799:pSometimes I'm just in the mood for his aristocratic, ponderous sentimentalism, an itch he scratches very well. Definitely not a pianist for all moods and any time of day, though, much less ears and listeners. Give those three I posted a try and see what you think, and if you hate it, well, thanks for giving it a try.
>>127770449Forget it Salieri, it's Vienna.
I wish my wife was called Fanny
>>127769597Always felt like this runs out of steam pretty hard after the amazing first movement
https://youtu.be/zodHltkgK1w?si=299Yq5SXBH7j2I9a&t=284For some reason these ancient choirs give me comfort and strength. Any /classical/ that focuses predominantly on Christian choirs and Crusader chants? The older, ancient and masculine the better.
>>127772710You'd have funny times together.
>>127773911fuck off >>>/mu/
>>127773911l'homme armee.
Listened to this today:>Bel Canto Pianism: A Discussion with "Koczalski's Ghost"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osdiIVaqg_MIt's becoming harder to get back to modern recordings after learning about so much subtle but important details of interpretations by 19th century performers. I even noticed some of these unique techniques myself, like portamento in the previous thread lol. Hearing differences of old vs new Prokofiev, Mendelssohn, Chopin is illuminating. And these comparisons are honest, not cherrypicked.Highlight for me was Friedman's Lieder ohne Worte, the way melody is played softly when it reaches upper, soprano register, to imitate singing (head voice), it's such an emotional moment. It's explained in the video too. This is how it should be played, so why isn't it?Ben Laude did a video about it too, a few days ago:>20 Must-Hear Pianists from the 20th Century "Golden Age"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xfx0VCwRC0
>>127774167Especially if you were called Richard
Schubert 8 & 9 best recording(s)?
>>127775828Josef Krips.
>>127775828Karajan, BernsteinIf you want a more normal performance, then Blomstedt
>>127775828Mengelberg
>>127775828don't know about the 9th but the best completed 8th is Edusei's
Jed Distler is right, the two greatest Beethoven piano sonata cycles are Arrau's and Levit'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAu3pMyKK-Y&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=30.
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn-PAottrvc
>>127766396This is kino. I wish I could go on rants like this.
wunderbarhttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=so7kseF08Jc
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82a-11KXyN0
Music for midnight
>>127778924https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZqebaLs0Lw&list=OLAK5uy_nvXKNZxApb0Qj9pnIG3WJOB51-tBL6YFM&index=1neat
>finally get off my ass and track down where I can find the full recital of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ypx9fH-OHk>subscription locked>subscriptions are year only and are 160 bucksJust put it on a CD you fucking cunts god why does everything have to be so difficult
>>127779721Listen to better pianistshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBBD0QuEguY
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j2qLf5u2sY
>>127779721That's why she makes the big bucks.
>>127780031the Clavichord is a beautiful instrument, i want to hear everything on it, even romantic period works like Chopin's Nocturnes.
>>127779721https://www.bing.com/search?q=site%3Arutracker.org+Yuja+Wang+Schubert%2C+Schumann%2C+Scriabin+Prokofiev
came across this newish recording of Bach orchestrations conducted by Andrew Davis and Matryn Brabbins,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw1SszAyMZI&list=OLAK5uy_nVjiEl79YSycD0Mgs8P0UY860eCKMlbEw&index=9>Sir Andrew Davis was a talented keyboard player as a child and teenager, and after study with Peter Hurford, at St Albans, he spent four years at the University of Cambridge as organ scholar at King's College, under Sir David Willcocks. It was this period of his life that sparked his love for and appreciation of the organ works of J.S. Bach, which remained a lifelong passion. Sir Andrew made all the transcriptions on this album for the BBC Philharmonic, and four of them were recorded in November 2023. Sadly, Sir Andrew died before the final recording sessions for the album could take place (September 2024): we are immensely grateful that he completed the arrangements, and very thankful to Martyn Brabbins for completing the recording with the sense of style, love, and affection that Sir Andrew would have admired.MahoAnon might be into this >>127760598
>>127780048Is there a difference between clavichord and harpsichord besdies dynamic range and vibrato though? It has a similar or even the same timbre
>>127780698smaller range of keys
>>127780728or pitch rather
>>127780728>>127780743Small differences. I meant sound wise, since I can't tell the difference unless I pay close attention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhEoCOWUtcUthis is top-tier songwriting according to /mu/ nerds whereas anyone who actually understands music knows it's not that complicated, it's borderline a shitpost more than art to sing about emailing dick pics and such, if a random person did the same they wouldn't be successful like kanye westfucking wankstain wannabe producers think they just need to write a song like this to be successful while leaving the production as an afterthought
>>127781000not sure what this has to do with /classical/, try posting on >>>/mu/ instead?
/mu/ /prod/ and /g/ /dmp/ have some of the stupidest degenerates in the world, most normal people respect the difficulty in making music so they don't feel entitled to doing it themselves, but since there is room for subjectivity these losers who have failed at everything else think they can have a go at making music even though they don't understand or have any respect for the technology that goes into it
>>127781032You just described entirety of pop culture, not just some random mongoloid imageboard echochambers
I've come around on the finale movement of Mahler 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcDcmIeMLfw&list=OLAK5uy_kJy4cnTcOqkTS1TReRqSSbGvBPDfs6JVA&index=5Exciting, spiritually stirring.
Post your favorite ariashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV-P8ZHhQNU
>>127782389the one from bwv 34.
>>127782389How do I get into Opera if I don't understand italian, german and french?
>>127782559translations.
>>127782559learn
>>127782559You don't
>>127773911Listen to everything by ensemble organum. What you want is called plainchant
Schubert has the most coherent form. Even early works like the Trout Quintet. He is literally perfect. The absolute GOAT.
>>127783147His first symphony is pretty good.
>>127783147>muh endless modulations>>127783197lmao
>>127783283>he doesn't rate modulations
>>127783392of course i do, when tastefully done. if you listen carefully to schubert's longer works you will find that pretty much all he does is modulate, with very little actual thematic development.
>>127783283>he doesn't rate a good classical symphony
>>127783451>muh thematic development
>>127783477exactly, it's what distinguishes the great composers from the merely good ones.
>>127783147>Schubert has the most coherent formBecause it's all clearly delineated? I suppose in a literal sense, that does make it the most coherent, yeah.
>>127783493Lmao. No. Far from it.There's much more to music than development.
>>127783500Because all sections follow each other clearly. There is no needless repetition or needless deviation from main thematic material. That sweet spot is what composers are always looking for, and not many find it as well as Schubert did.
>>127783550>Schubert>There is no needless repetitiontell me you're joking
>>127783563No. There is just the right amount of repetition. It's why his music feels perfectly coherent, unlike almost everything else.
>>127783589>only finds music coherent when it's the same melody repeated over and over again>no deviation please, i cannot comprehend!sad, just sad.
>>127783683I can comprehend deviations, they just aren't coherent if not done well. Schubert deviates quite a lot actually, so does Beethoven or Haydn. And they also do lots of repetitions. Because without repetition there is no coherence.
Is there a beter perfomance of Cello Suites than Yo Yo Ma?
>>127784618Yo mama
>>127784618Never listened to her recorsings. And it feels like she's being shilled on daily basis. Maisky is bretty good.
I wish there were more unhinged waltzes like la valse.https://youtube.com/watch?v=2S3VQwlMOC0
just discovered Wagner was a leftist, just lost all respect for him
>>127785005>rightoid seetheLove to see it.
>>127785005don't let the door hit you
>>127780048I would love to hear that
>>127782559Music and human voice texture and inflection are the main point of opera. Just read the subs for the context.
>>127786141spoken like a monolinguist
What time signature is this? it runs on for a few bars so this isn't all of it, and I have inside baseball on how it is written, but it's hard to be wrong.
>>127765623>reminder Bach and Before, Ives and AfterWell said friend! Well said!
>when its time for the daily reminder
>>127784618Yes but Yo Yo Ma's is one of the best too so if you're loving it, then you're fine unless you enjoy exploring other interpretations.
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in ever pretentious and Neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>Your Romanticism>My Foot>Your Classicism>My FistI will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and ProkofievThat is all
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms>No Perotin or Medieval Music
>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold
>>127786794I like this image a lot
>>1277864402/4
>>127764782Go back to discord
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53rMRG460tU
>>127785005>RW: I think people should be nice to each other and democracy is a good idea.>wtf?! Kill yourself you fucking leftwing extremist!
just discovered Wagner was an anti-semite, just lost all respect for him
>>127788358every man and his dog was an "antisemite" back then.
>>127785005What's that pic? Is it from a performance of Wagner? Is it AI?
>>127788397it's me on the right, not sure how that anon has that image of me.
>>127788871you're a big guy
>>127788357It's called being a decent person
A treathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-4k7NRXxBk
>>127787159You don't like my husbando?
truer words have not been spoken.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g-rPEa5ngA
>>127790401Your what?
It is almost Christmas time! What is your favorite recording of Handel’s messiah? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NNy289k6Oc
>>127791232kill yourself, Jew worshipper.
>>127791232my first and only recording has always done the job perfectly.
>>127791263>I hate jews except when they tell me they invented christianity, then I love them
>>127791277Christianity is sand nigger garbage and it doesn't belong in Europe.
>>127791263Jesus wasn’t a Jew in the sense that you understand the word.>Kill yourselfSlither back to discord.
>>127791302Jesus was a Jew and you need to grow up.
>>127791290>>127791322And who told you that?>a jew
>>127791374why do you suck cocks?
>>127791232it's unique but this one by the GOATif I want a more idiomatic recording though, I opt for Colin Davis or Solti
>>127791374some guy named "luke"
>>127791073My ideal husband
>>127791492tits or gtfo.
>>127791492You are gay?
>>127791510Maybe.
>>127791531>discord humor
>>127791547I wasn't joking
>>127791547>discord>humor
>>127791290thiswe're an atheist general
>>127791290Exactly Europe is Islamic and don’t you forget it!
>>127791232It’s September…
>>127791727He implied by extension that Islam doesn't belong in Europe eitherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ObXvller_s
now playingstart of JS Bach: Sonata No. 1 for Violin Solo in G Minor, BWV 1001https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNYB20qsNhA&list=OLAK5uy_kXWlM8eDxCV8YOuYPoLOuvVZRnn1FFnuE&index=2start of JS Bach: Partita No. 1 for Violin Solo in G Minor, BWV 1001https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i3YyndBScE&list=OLAK5uy_kXWlM8eDxCV8YOuYPoLOuvVZRnn1FFnuE&index=6start of JS Bach: Sonata No. 2 for Violin Solo in A Minor, BWV 1003https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aut3TwsW1cM&list=OLAK5uy_kXWlM8eDxCV8YOuYPoLOuvVZRnn1FFnuE&index=13start of JS Bach: Partita No. 2 for Violin Solo in D Minor, BWV 1004https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enzRbMvsdC0&list=OLAK5uy_kXWlM8eDxCV8YOuYPoLOuvVZRnn1FFnuE&index=17https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kXWlM8eDxCV8YOuYPoLOuvVZRnn1FFnuE
>>127791290thiswe're a Pastafarian general
>>127791290thiswe're a Wagnerian general upon whom the Master of Music and Poetry has bestowed the Ever-Rejuvenating Genius of the Sacred Festival Stage Play which is fated to succeed Religion in the Decadence Stage of Faustian Culture, as predestined by Bach, in whose Art of Fugue His unending Melody was prophesiedhttps://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg?list=PL_Cf5Xxn5OZY1gE9zsWHAjXz6MVz9IZYS
The scherzo and finale of bruckner 7 are good and serve their role well in the grand scheme of the piece specifically due to their short length
>>127791832I'm more of a Scriabinist but sure.
>>127791290thiswe're a highly schizopilled occult general devoted to the esoteric liturgies of Scriabin yet unknown to the bovine masses who know them only through as "piano sonatas" via their Maria Lettberg "Spotify" playlists (LOL!) and will never experience the ritual powers of Vedic Derealization: Oblivion Discontinuity which by the sonorities of the Mystic Scale and my demon left hand catalyzes the transcendence of the Atman who am the dark god
>>127791658>>127791290>>127791801>>127791832>>127791897I can never tell what is a shitpost and what isn't in this God-forsaken general>>127780660Pretty cool, though I was mainly referring in the last thread to people interpreting Bach's orchestral pieces in a romantic fashion (ala Pablo Casals' and Charles Munch's Brandenburgs, Richter's Mass in B Minor, Edwin Fischer's Keyboard Concertos), not really arranging pieces to a romantic-size orchestra. Essentially stripping Bach of the HIP.
>>127791955*Essentially stripping Bach of the HIP is what I was referring to
>>127791955it wasn't a shitpost. I mock Abrahamics in real life.
>>127791955it wasn't a shitpost. I mock Brahmsians in real life.
none of those were shitposts
>>127791966So brave and stunning, sister.
>>127791955it wasn't a shitpost. I mock Adrian Boult in real life.
>>127791832So true wagnersister>>127791897Thank you scriabincel
>>127791955it wasn't a shitpost. I mock Saucerers in real life.
>>127791969What did brahmsians ever do to you? ;-;
>>127791738The end of September. Time flows inexorably on.
>>127791955Of course. Still figured it'd be up your alley though. And yeah I think we've already exhausted all of the worthwhile romantic orchestral Bach recordings. There's a couple piano ones that I like which I haven't really posted here yet but otherwise, there's none left to discover in that vein -- it's HIP or third way from here on out, so we only have the same recordings to turn to for romantic Bach.
Harnoncourt!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVUqJSifoSw&list=OLAK5uy_k5b4hbigECz5RJuKbLZZUrBtS0sVZOwpE&index=1
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS5rOu_DWps
>>127791989> ;-;Is this another one of those furry ‘injokes’?
Actually, I don’t want to know…
You know I'm Bach I'm Bach Chaconne you know
>>127791290thisWe're a Parisian salon general. I was there, in February 26, 1832, at the prestigious Pleyel Salons at 9 rue Cadet in the 9th arrondissement. We heard Chopin perform his nocturnes and mazurkas, we were never Christian ever since. Our Messiah was Chopin, he who saved humanity.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYNaDp1mmoc
>>127791955>>127791966I think this was the same gentleman who said that Jews suffer less from the ‘Abrahamic disease’
>Guy says thing about composer>Repeat the exact same thing but with another composerhaha funny stuff guys, keep it up
>>127792422I have a strange urge to repeat this exact post but with green text and an image of a Basedjak next to it
thoughts on Gould's Well-Tempered Clavier?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBkYpqGk-bI&list=OLAK5uy_keWvxGmwrAzKnB28btqo4Fgh6mSGIp9hA&index=43I've listened to many sets of the WTC but been putting his off until there's none left to try. I'm listening to Feltsman's now but might be time to finally try Gould's.>have link playing on other tab as I'm composing this post>wonderful playing, even more tempted to listen to it>then humming begins...or maybe I'll keep putting it off, lol. Thoughts?Feltsman for comparisonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trQVrEHu8Jw&list=OLAK5uy_nitfSx11v6oM0k8_BJ6SyPjEU7p6Q7mkk&index=43
RachmAnon/ChoFan, what do you think of the Trifonov/Seguin Rachmaninoff piano concerto set?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9qFsJaIKnM&list=OLAK5uy_k_mhGHGL70PYnbn1DPuGbY_DQV0qpQAyc&index=2
>>127792578nobody can tell if you're going to like gould or not, but he is at least worth hearing. in the wtc he's hit and miss, i think: he can be extremely fast, extremely slow, and sometimes just right. this one you will really have to figure out yourself.
>>127792776Gouldilocks
Gouldspeed anon.
>>127792651He plays with brute force, monotonically, best heard at 1:50 of 1st mov, not with singing quality. Orchestra likewise plays inauthentically, for example, compare this section:https://youtu.be/2QRIrdiVS08?feature=shared&t=122Listen how smooth the melody is here in strings, the slide from G to C, compared to Seguin's abrupt jump.There are many such subtle details which sounds mid.Balance between orchestra and piano is pretty good. Average modern recording.
>>127792651>>127793014https://youtu.be/2QRIrdiVS08?feature=shared&t=128Classic bel canto. A short pause and quiet 'ascend' in the melody. No such thing in Trfonov's performance.
Tell me this isn't superior to the original Bach's cello suites:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOS7zPkc3NYIt's literally the same, but all voices are present. Why aren't there more recordings of this arrangement
>>127793825Yah yah that's ok but check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYxEbKOv_pM&list=RDwYxEbKOv_pM&start_radio=1Kinda makes Bach look like a Hach
Philip Glass Indian Opinionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MDA3YDQJhs&list=PLKq64tL0GeME0p_J-6t32FD1iVrrBsCYa&index=5
>>127794252But seriously, isn't trio arrangement a bit better? Or do you prefer the original, because of authenticity or whatever.
>>127793014>>127793050Thanks for the perspective.
>>127793825Huh, that's surprisingly really good.
>>127795194Thanks for the rec too.By the way, I recommend you check this >>127774664 out, it's a whole another perspective that you might find interesting.>>127795220I was thinking if there were duo/trio arrangements, randomly searched for it, and got lucky!
>>127795373>I was thinking if there were duo/trio arrangements, randomly searched for it, and got lucky!not really what you're looking for but I've had my eye on this Bach trio album to try for a while nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4iQyU0ZrYU&list=OLAK5uy_kWt8UDUnDKSUJLe27d_wz2uSJGaSWT-gA&index=1it's cellist, mandolinist, and bassist tho
>>127795540Good rec. I'm not a big organ fan as of late, it's way too incomprehensible for my tastes. This sounds very clean, and beautiful too. Thanks.
>>127795540>>127795599 >Trio Sonata No. 6 in G Major, BWV 530: II. LentoThe melody sounds so much like Erbarme dich, did you notice too?
>>127795673I heard the familiar specter of something else, which with Bach isn't surprising, but couldn't quite place it. That's a nice comparison for sure.
>>127795720Speaking of that aria, I still can't find a single performance of it as touching as this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNurM--skIsWhat exactly distinguishes this performance from others? I can't really put my finger on it. I asked for romantic Matthew Passion recordings but they didn't do it for me either. I guess the answer is mutlifaceted and it has to do with my first exposure to the piece. I've tried many, but I'd be open to recs that sound closest to it stylistically
>>127795788Richter's the GOAT
Scheherazade is the greatest musical composition ever made. Prove me wrong. I'm not musically trained but I've listened to most major compositions and none of them are quite like Scheherazade, maybe Lark Ascending gets close, but Scheherazade just makes me feel things that no other music can.
>>127797211when people talk about it, are they generally talking about the Rimsky-Korsakov or the Ravel version?
>>127797211I like his Easter Overture morehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7BPlOirPig
>>127795788Karl Richter was a German’s German like Bach.
>>127795788If you want a version without the feminine hysterics (as Bach would have disliked) try:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjkttffF1Hw
>>127795540Dit is aas
>>127796483>>127797842Richter is great, but Hamari deserves the credit too. Her vibrato is just perfect, not overdone, not held back.>>127797943This just sounds terrible
>>127798125You are gay?
>>127797248Korsakov ofc>>127797211I do think it's a piece which is impossible to dislike
>>127795788>>127797943https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VZXroMP88I&list=OLAK5uy_mItteyohyCgrWywLNwCbZCpn5mWYf9BWE&index=39https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME-IjnNf07I&list=OLAK5uy_kepvN7a8Q22NOjeSG1B-l0p194zEATOjQ&index=34
>>127798215i'm lmaoing @ the Sony using a picture of Bernstein coolly holding a cigarette on a cover of Bach's St Matthew Passion. positively sacrilegious
>>127798215Nah. I'm too picky when it comes to this aria. Also wtf, I wasn't expecting an English version kek. Flabbergasted.
>>127798215>Roman Catholic composer>Jewish composerBoth groups revere women to the point of idolatry, so it makes sense that they prefer female vocalists.
>>127798271one morehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdcxHI0Mg-w&list=OLAK5uy_kh9nOZKhr9pstyccGa8-VwCaDOPvaUz58&index=53
>>127798277*conductorPart of me doesn’t recognize this as Bach.
>>127798277Female singers are objectively better. Alto and soprano are naturally feminine vocal ranges, and also what grab our attention the most. Male singing for alto&soprano is an abomination.
>>127798307Your loss
Challenge: Get a Jewish atheist or Catholic to not worship womenStatus: Impossible
>>127798294I can't stand the HIP versions. Strings should have vibrato. But thanks for trying! Time for bed.
>>127798357not sure what this has to do with /classical/, try posting on >>>/trash/ instead?
>>127798372Look behind you, is that a heckin' diverse performer?
>>127798385>heckin'reddit is over that way
>>127798385this is who's behind me
>>127798391Your gynocentric proclivities are par for the course on ‘eddit.
>>127798360Female vocalists in Bach are not HIP
>>127798434You know what they mean, chill
>look up some germ late 17th-early century composer>praise by Bach and other contemporaries but most of his work got lost lmaoThis seems to hava happened quite a lot
>>127798504Examples?
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGSUEbph438
>>127798504petzold unironically
>>127797211have you listened to his Symphonies yet? Antar is pretty good too, Jarvi has a good set.
I read Spotify will now have a lossless audio quality setting? Might be time to switch over, hmm. Not that I've been able to tell the difference anyway.
>>127798337>feminine vocal rangePhysics doesn’t agree. Boys can sing a higher pitch than women.
>>127764782Some other husband material: Lugansky, Yevgeny Subdin, Vicenzo Maltempo and Seong-jin ChoNow to some actual music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVAUv_dGg0s&list=OLAK5uy_kTCTRTLZP5lcg7erDrOsB--91cp5ezDAE
>>127798504Bach never praised him; he plagiarized Bach’s work.
>>127799856>>127799236
>>127799842aandachtstrekker
Female singers can definitely add something to Bach’s vocal works. Richter used them; I generally consider his cantatas better than Harnoncourt's.
best complete Debussy piano works set?
>>127800549?
>>127800747not sure what's not to get about my question, What is the best CD set of Debussy's complete piano works? either all by one pianist or various
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duwkucLVhtI&list=RDduwkucLVhtIwagner's music is the only thing keeping me from killing myself.
>>127801442then I suggest you stop listening to it.
>>127800549>>127800817I'm really liking Ciccolini's as of late. You should also give Bavouzet's a sampling too, even though it's too straight-laced and mechanical for me.
>>127801442why would you want someone to kill themself? that's kind of fucked up.
>>127802754meant for >>127801563
>>127802754>>127802763ywnbaw.
>>127802915good, i don't want to be.
Well fed composers?
>>127801951Erato or EMI?
>>127803247https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x07QdGKfHg&list=OLAK5uy_k_LA2sB-2JiV8fa530DpwiG6NLElDwYnM&index=1
>>127803166Max Reger. He ate, drank, smoked, and worked himself to death.
Is Reger really Bach for higher IQ people?
>>127803973sort of. Reger was Bach's only worthy successor and it's a shame that his life was cut short by at least twenty years.
>>127803973bach without the tunes.
now playingstart of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 13 in B-Flat Major, K. 333https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_35HVwoG58g&list=OLAK5uy_mMwj-mwDF3WgLxIJ7WvA7yA60XhBGlkoE&index=2start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 16 in C Major, K. 545 "Sonata facile"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfe8jlNskTs&list=OLAK5uy_mMwj-mwDF3WgLxIJ7WvA7yA60XhBGlkoE&index=5start of Mozart: Fantasia in C minor, K.475https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCZBu7EDHwI&list=OLAK5uy_mMwj-mwDF3WgLxIJ7WvA7yA60XhBGlkoE&index=8start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 14 in C minor, K.457https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVazaTmtWyw&list=OLAK5uy_mMwj-mwDF3WgLxIJ7WvA7yA60XhBGlkoE&index=10https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mMwj-mwDF3WgLxIJ7WvA7yA60XhBGlkoE
What is the ideal pause length between movements? Should it be brief enough that the transition is more seamless or should it be separated by a full 5 second pause?I find it peculiar that a lot of non-classical music that includes "movements" (Think the "suites" you often get in genres that claim to be progressive) have little to no pause between them. I've always been a bit curious as to where this notion came from because I almost never hear that done in actual classical music. I assume it's just people being uneducated, but it does make me wonder how you guys look at the pauses between movements. I tend to prefer a pause of about 1 to 2 seconds, enough to keep the flow going while also properly seperating the movements.
>>127804795>I tend to prefer a pause of about 1 to 2 seconds, enough to keep the flow going while also properly seperating the movements.That sounds ideal. Long enough for it to be clearly delineating, to distinguish between one movement and the next, while short enough to where your mind doesn't have a chance to grow impatient and wander. Basically enough time for you to say in your mind, "fin; next" then next starts playing.
>>127804795>I tend to prefer a pause of about 1 to 2 seconds, enough to keep the flow going while also properly seperating the movements.Sometimes a good 10 seconds is a welcome preparation.
>recording has divided each movement into smaller, four-bar long tracks, ie 8-15 tracks per movement>streaming service has automatic 3 second pause between every trackO_O
Bruckner 4 morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd31jyI63lo&list=OLAK5uy_lSgRxHMVG0Zbl3quM4DrnzKGvZb7ncCWc&index=1
Stockhausen edition next or I'm not posting
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