Digital Dictator editionVicious Rumors - Out of the Shadow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NzgXTpZLKEThis general is dedicated to both the celebration and discussion of traditional heavy metal and its many subgenres. Before posting, please view the link below and familiarize yourself with what we do/do not allow.Guidelines: https://pastebin.com/7cJ7xZy8>Is [genre/band/album] fit for /trad/?If you have to ask this, it probably isn’t and you should take what you want to talk about somewhere else.>When will charts be added to the OP?Once we finish all of the main 1980s charts and move onto the '90s.USEFUL LINKShttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1luaLZfavSeXui9RkO1PZ3U5gAE1XHfkH?usp=drive_link - Giant archive of old metal & rock magazines.https://www.metal-archives.com/ - Search for your favorite bands and look under the “similar artists” tab.https://en.metal-tracker.com/ - Bittorrent tracker from Russia, in order to use it you need to have a registered account. https://rateyourmusic.com/ - Search for albums, charts and lists here. (Because RYM is filled with trannies, some early trad albums have metal as a secondary rather than primary; so when looking for music from the early-mid ‘70s make sure you include heavy metal as a secondary in your filter as well.)https://www.slsknet.org/news/node/1 - P2P application for downloading albums. It is your best friend.Vote for the next album here: https://strawpoll.com/NoZrz4A9aZ3Previous thread: >>127784026
The 1986 chart has started! Reply to this post with what albums you want included. Here is the criteria:1 Vote = Put on the list.2 Votes = Put on the list and has a higher chance of being included.3+ Votes = Guaranteed to be on the chart.
>>127897779Obligatory
>>127898348Added to ze list
>>127897779
https://youtu.be/hDDTmpw3fYg?&t=96This sounds like shit, do people actually think this is better than Reign in Blood? The guitar sare so thin and weak, you can barely make anything out. Just some fuzzy noise in the background. Maybe they're doing some interesting riffing but you can barely hear it.
>>1278977791986 was a crazy year, so many good records released that year.Heavy/Speed/Thrash:The Mentors - Up the DoseDeathrow - Riders of DoomKat - Metal and HellS.D.I. - Satans Defloration IncorporatedAt War - Ordered to KillHexx - Under the SpellSentinel Beast - Depths of DeathLords of the Crimson Alliance - Self titledJurassic Jade - A Cradle Song (EP)Racer X - Street LethalGriffin - Protectors of the LairWhiplash - Power and PainX - Orgasm (EP)Savage Grace - After the Fall from GraceBlack Fate - Commander of FateChastain - Ruler of the WastelandHavoc - The GripExorcist - Nightmare TheatreDementia - Struggle for Rebel (EP)And some classic crossover thrash:Accüsed - The Return... Of Martha SplatterheadBeyond Possession - Is Beyond PossessionCryptic Slaughter - ConvictedCrumbsuckers - Life of Dreams
>>127898393>Maybe they're doing some interesting riffing but you can barely hear it.The thin guitars break that album for me. I can't get into it if I can barely hear the fucking riffing. >>127898397Jesus christ that's a lot. Out of all of these, which are the ones you'd say are the most essential?
>>127897779Master of Puppets Reign in BloodVinnie Moore - The Mind's EyeI hope 1985 had Manilla Road - Open the Gates and Agent Steel - Skeptics Apocalypse
>>127898413All of them? But if i can only pick 3, Exorcist, Havoc and The Mentors or maybe Hexx.
>>127898460>Master of PuppetsNo.>Reign in BloodNein.>Vinnie Moore - The Mind's EyeThis album is from 1987. >I hope 1985 had Manilla Road - Open the Gates and Agent Steel - Skeptics ApocalypseBoth albums are on that chart.>>127898464>All of them? But if i can only pick 3, Exorcist, Havoc and The Mentors or maybe Hexx.I'll just put all of them on the list. =)
However, I think I'll go back to the '85 chart and add Hell Awaits
NVM there's no room and I don't want to remove anything, when we do a thrash chart it'll be on that
>>127898500Havoc one was from 1985 (US release), still a superb album.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzlgrpN7Lfs
>>127898622Ah, I see. I'll take it off the list but I will put it in my backlog since it's a USPM record I haven't heard of before
>>127897779My pick. It is the most underrated metal album of all time. The arrangements remain completely unique to this day. The thing is, it's not an easy listen and it takes very long to click for most people. But when it clicks it will never let you go. The metal musicians I know who like this album all worship it as an unparalleld masterpiece that functions as an endless source of inspiration and fascination. It's such a strange and sophisticiated and enigmatic record that despite its influence and quality and being a release by a platinum selling band, it has never even reached cult status in the greater metal sphere, instead remaining a gem for the few people curious enough to give it a couple of spins.
>>127898649I was expecting this release to turn up sooner or later. There's one song off of it that I don't care for but the rest of the record is in my eyes perfect.
>>127898649Love this one, though not so much their look at the time. They adopted a very strange glam metal/goth hybrid image just for this one album then ditched it straight after the tour.
>>127900538Was it a record label decision? Because there's only like, one remotely glam song on Rage for Order.
THE FORCE OF SATAN'S MIIIIIIIIGHThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9_6Q_r8-eE
Goodnight my tradbroshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0rXjxVhcXI
>>127898649This one is a mandatory inclusion
>>127898397you forgot two pretty good ones>Metal Church - The Dark>Heir Apparent - Graceful Inheritance
>>127898413NTA but my picks from that list are Kat (though I vote for "666" the polish version) Griffin and Whiplash
>>127902932My favorite lyrics from that song are "Death takes my hand and captures my soul".
>>127905582>you forgot two pretty good ones>Metal Church - The DarkI'm surprised that one wasn't mentioned up to this point, one of my top releases from 1986 desu
What are you blasting?!
bump
>>127897779about 1985, was last command weaker than other wasp albums?
>>127909863Yeah, it didn't get enough votes.>was last command weaker than other wasp albums?It has some great stuff but I wouldn't call it essential, so it didn't make the cut.
Anyone know what type of keyboard is used in the synth/keyboard solo in early virgin steele songs? I like how it sounds. Some parts sound like he's using a pitch wheel or modulation wheel on the keyboard. Not sue if its monophonic.Example of one song where its used, about 80 seconds in:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xebBcT_VQoM&t=80shttps://virginsteele.bandcamp.com/track/the-lesson-demo-anniversary-remixYou can also hear it in Children of the Storm, The Redeemer, and Guardians of the Flame.
Oh yeah Rage for Order's on the chart now since it got 3 votes.Also I'm a retard and forgot that Born Too Late was one of my favorite albums of '86 (always misremember it as '87 lol) so I put that up there. Helstar stays since I'm pretty damn confident people would've voted for that one regardless.
Judas Priest's Turbo had some great songs:https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=dp-KXWfisHAhttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=R6QaXKiCz4INot sure how I feel about the other songs, i haven't listened to them in a while. Incidentally, it's from 1986.
>>127910093Yeah those are the two main hits of that record. I think it's pretty over hated and has some good stuff, but there's also some real shit on that album like Parental Guidance, too.
Checking out another Korean album atm. The rest of this record so far sounds pretty par for the course for '89 (maybe a bit outdated?), but then this song just sounds like it was ripped straight from the mid '70s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEnq8KeDjqQ
While listening to this, I got the impression that this band can't decide whether they want to be hard-hitting speedy melodic trad or inoffensive '80s rock. There is some great stuff here (notably the fourth track which is a blistering piece of power metal reminiscent of Pretty Maids but with cleaner vocals), but most of it trends towards the middle of the quality spectrum. I honestly can't say I'm impressed with the Korean metal I've heard so far. With little exception, it either sounds 4-5 years removed of when it came out or is just copying what Japan was doing at the time; only there's less talent behind it because Korea has jack for a metal scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYpsnRNLxSshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkvU0KRBDeMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1YSyqsY8mo
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>>127910093Relentless and Locked In are bangers too. The latter has supremely cheesy lyrics (that "when you shake the things you shake" line fucking haunts me, kek) but is otherwise my favorite track on that record.
>>127912000wtf I meant Reckless lol
Well that didn't take as long as expected. Three albums in and I get a Korean album that's good. Great, even! The music here is similar to late '80s Helloween but with a clear neoclassical slant, and the songwriting (especially on the title track, my god that song's masterclass) is on fucking point. Highly recommended!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQVTEQa2gSYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_W6HTWwZLEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgn_UX4C5JQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjH5_LQG9k
Fucking immaculate, while it slows down a bit with the final songs; that still doesn't negate the fact that this is a massive improvement over Bound to Break, and one of the best albums I've heard from '88https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2MoBjPPyKwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHTkA_ultnshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC94O1VPnkkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvbQvL3lAbchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycVUyXv2n34
>>127910093It's a great summer party album.>>127912000Locked In is fantastic. That guitar riff kills.
>>127912970Based hidden gems diggerNot gonna reply to every one of your posts but I just wanna say I appreciate the work of going through these albums and sharing them, I didn't know some of these.
>>127897779isnt Onslaught a little to meaty for you nerds?
>>127913473I'm glad you appreciate it. I love going on these dives and sharing my finds; whether they be good or bad or somewhere in between. >>127913500Nope. That Onslaught record has a lot of obvious trad influence. :P
>>127897759Never use the word "trannies" in the OP again. It's on my filter list. Couldn't find the general.
>>127914463>Never use the word "trannies" in the OP again. It's on my filter list. Couldn't find the general.:P
I'm gonna head out, 'night tradbroshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRXD8aKvw10
Should this one be entered with this cover art or with the much more famous Pegasus cover of the first pressing? The band and most fans prefer this cover.
>>127916650Great job by me forgetting the image.
>>127897779Accept - Russian RouletteLizzy Borden - Menace to SocietyOzzy Osbourne - Shot in the Dark
>>127916663>Ozzy Osbourne - Shot in the DarkIt only has like three songs worth a damn and that's one of them. I'll add it to the list anyways, but if it doesn't get more than your one vote; it won't make the cut. =/
>>127916653If this is what pops up in the chart maker's search, then I'll use it
>>127921445for metal?
>>127897779Great year!Off the top of my headQueensryche - Rage for OrderRacer X - Street LethalDr. Mastermind - Dr. MastermindCrimson Glory - Crimson GloryFifth Angel - Fifth AngelBlack Sabbath - Seventh Star (though would this even be metal? I could see someone making a convincing argument that it's more in the AOR/melodic hard rock world)Iron Maiden - Somewhere in TimeYngwie Malmsteen - TrilogyVinnie Moore - Mind's EyeTony MacAlpine - Edge of InsanityFlotsam and Jetsam - Doomsday for the DeceiverKing Diamond - Fatal PortraitMetal Church - The Dark
>>127921524>Black Sabbath - Seventh Star (though would this even be metal? I could see someone making a convincing argument that it's more in the AOR/melodic hard rock world)Only has like 2 metal songs, I wouldn't personally count it
>>127897779Fates WarningCrimson GloryAngel DustFloatsam and JetsamHelstarI'm sure you know the album titles.
>>127921587>Fates Warning>Angel Dust>HelstarFirst two are already there as part of my personal favorites row, and Helstar is also there (explained earlier itt)That does make 3 votes for Crimson Glory though, added to the chart
>>127921601Sorry, I'm drunk af. I basically nominate everything on that chart.
>>127921624Lol, it's all good man>I basically nominate everything on that chart.Aiiieeeee that's gonna be a fucking pain, but Rage for Order here makes that the first album that's gotten 5 or more votes for one of these :D
It's just decent, it'd be a lot better if this band had a better singer and the production had more oomph. It's quite tinny and at its worst sounds kind of unpleasant. The record peaks with the first song, but even then that one isn't anything to write home about. A rare miss for Japanese trad.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-RSEhsYaCI
>>127921788I suggest you make a list of the obscure asian metal bands you are checking out.
>>127921992Sure, why not? I'm already planning on making a chart for JAP '80s trad when I feel like I've listened to enough to make one. :P
Pretty good thrash, plenty of variety in arrangements though only once (with the second track) does the band truly excel. One of the better obscure thrash records, just don't expect to have your jaw drop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyeILvKICLghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jasup8wcVTAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gu1Kg75ZKM
>>127922007how many japanese vs chinese vs korean metal bands from that era are there?
>>127922773>how many japanese vs chinese vs korean metal bands from that era are there?Can't give an exact number since I'm still going through them all myself, but I can already tell you right now China+Korea combined would only put a small dent on the amount Japan has
>>127922799I wonder why more of them came from japan? Is it westaboos or something?
>>127923188Japan historically had a much larger audience for rock and metal than other Asian countries, there’s a bunch of other factors too like them being very well off during the 70s-80s but that’s the main oneAs such, bands toured in Japan a LOT. Zeppelin, Purple, Priest, Scorpions, they all played shows in Japan and the latter two bands really helped to foster the heavy metal sound there
>>127923310is that why so many albums have japan only bonus tracks?
>>127924348I'd assume so, yesMetal isn't the most popular genre in Japan but it has a very long history there and a devoted following
>>127924348>>127924361I'm pretty sure it was a kind of requirement from the Japanese record companies so people wouldn't buy imports.Don't know how relevant it is today, but most hard rock/metal bands still do it. Probably because there's a market of people who still buy physical media.
>>127924408>I'm pretty sure it was a kind of requirement from the Japanese record companies so people wouldn't buy imports.With how often I'll see JAP prints of an album while looking around (even IRL), I wouldn't doubt it. And I wouldn't be surprised if there were some Americans that imported records because of the extra tracks, either.
Goodnight my tradbros, see you all tomorrowHave some JAP power metal =Dhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC4Nm7x-gWc=
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64l4KFS36GASet aside whatever political bullshit you may have heard and listen to Ted's first two albums.
>>127925161Already have, they're damn good rock.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01vXSgoLsWMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcbJwiYARdYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkzce8qxXMU
Forgot some othershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyIQHEJTULQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51aDbFqw30Y
anyone listen to scorpions first album lonesome crow?
>>127897779Black Sabbath - Seventh StarIron Maiden · Somewhere in TimeMegadeth · Peace Sells... but Who's Buying?Metal Church · The DarkKat - 666King Diamond · Fatal PortraitManilla Road · The DelugeVoivod · Rrröööaaarrr
>>127925220I should be asleep right now, but I just counted your votes and that means that KD, KAT, and MR are all on the chart now
>>127925161That original lineup was of the greatest hard rock bands of all time
>>127927076One of the greatest? I don’t think I’d go that far, but the first two Nugent albums are pretty damn good
That being said, I’ve only listened to the studio LPs. I haven’t gotten around to the first Gonzo Live release yet, but it’s been on my radar for a while
>>127925161I've heard 2 songs by him that I remember. Stranglehold:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRj5KT3742oand The Great White Buffalo (with the amboy dukes):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiwpboZWVmM
>>127925161>Set aside whatever political bullshit you may have heard and listen to Ted's first two albums.I usually don't judge a band based on whether I agree with their political views (or the rock star antics they get up to).
>>127928791>(or the rock star antics they get up to).Yeah if you did this you’d have to stop listening to a lot of classic rock & metal bands lol
bomb pan
>>127898500>Master of Puppets>No.>Reign in Blood>Nein.Why not? They're essential 1986 metal albums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UczTcbImSL0https://youtu.be/klbaF9SPyBk?t=107
>>127930893Because everyone’s heard them.Those two slots for MOP and RIB could instead be used for more obscure albums we want people to check out
Tygers of Pan Tang - Tyger Bay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beuH6hypqZg
>>127930893Master of Puppets and Reign in Blood are overrated albums. Don't get me wrong Reign in Blood is nice, but it isn't that good.
>>127932464That was part of my reasoning, too. If you ask me, Ride the Lightning and Hell Awaits decimate Master of Puppets and Reign in Blood any day of the week. :P
Bumper cars
>>127932464Slayer stinks. They have one album that is okay, Seasons in the Abyss. Otherwise it's just atonal mangle.
>>127935014>They have one album that is okay, Seasons in the Abyss.>Seasons in the AbyssThat's easily the weakest record of their classic output and the only reason it's as lauded as it is, is because of the perfect title track
It came and went. There's brief bouts of inspired songwriting (you'd think there'd be more considering 5 of the 8 songs are longer than 5 minutes) but the majority of the record is very routine. Only thing notable about this release is that it switches between two vocalists (Spooky, Shorty), kind of like MK III Deep Purple did with Coverdale and Hughes.
Sleep well everyonehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlU_48Qx0o0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxhGB_Nzrwkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwk0emLPZ5Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i09i8dctMlo
let's bump this
>>127931380Maybe some newbie to metal sees it and misses out, or thinks "huh I guess it's not one of the absolute best of 1986", even though it objectively is
>>127940019>Maybe some newbie to metal sees it and misses outWhen I was first getting into metal those were among the very first albums I checked out. I find it really, really hard to believe that someone who posts here wouldn’t be familiar with Puppets or Reign. >even though it objectively isI’ve always considered it a less memorable version of RTL. Does a lot of the same motifs as that record, only worse.
>>127928157Well I'd go that far. Elite tier band. After those guys left Ted never made anything close to that level of quality again. Tbh I don't give a fuck about anything he did past Weekend Warriors
>>127940338Huh. I’ve never listened to WW, is it more similar to Free for All or Cat Scratch Fever?
Anyone know picrel? Found it randomly while looking up the Savatage song Damien and I like it quite a lot.
>>127941273I downloaded it a while ago and it's been sitting in my library
>>127910014include this in your chart or you're gayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fMZpqflZLI
>>127942873If two more people vote in favor of it, sure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDD6pAOGljI
Scorpions - The Zoo (live 1980) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7jwv7hUcUc
Is this hair metal:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaNYgoSNFXw
>>127946594It's on the cusp
Don't think I've ever seen Demon mentioned in here. These guys wrote some great stuff. https://youtu.be/nKkOKNTFmHchttps://youtu.be/lF4WHB1iWGM
>>127946747>Don't think I've ever seen Demon mentioned in here.Same here desuPersonally I think their debut album is a mix of very high highs (including those two songs you posted) and middling lows; so pretty much the B-side.
>>127946774Total Possession is on their second album which is a bit stronger all around imo
>>127946784Ahhh my bad, I haven't listened to the first record in a bit lol Does that followup still have the bland AC/DC-ish rock in the second half like the first one does?
>>127946806Nah the second half has some catchy stuff on ithttps://youtu.be/gWUfbFApgNUhttps://youtu.be/ZDzClIYsJRsAre you the chart guy? Wondering if either of these albums made the cut for '81 and '82
>>127946840>Nah the second half has some catchy stuff on itI'm fine with them being catchy, I just don't want the boring hard rock of Night of the Demon's second half>Are you the chart guy? Wondering if either of these albums made the cut for '81 and '82I'm both OP and the chart guy, but I don't know. The '82 one MAY have made the cut, but I'll go make sure
>>127946840Just looked at both of the charts, neither Demon albums made the cut and I don't remember anyone voting for them eitherHowever, since the 1980-1981 and 1982 charts were made before I had a proper template, they'll get a redo not too far down to the line so you can vote for them then
>>127946933Cheers!
>>127947054To you as well! I haven't really made time to listen to anything today but I think I'm ready to check out an album or two
A solid hard 'n' heavy album with the highlights being the blazing Can You Roll Her (surely one of the most metallic songs released up to that point) and the masterfully crafted ballad Belladonna. No real complaints aside from the first two songs not being up to par with the rest of the record.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMLyscy2Jb0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atxwt_5VXO4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4QlveusUdMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSeiZwJbq30
The epitome of "yeah, it's alright". Does nothing great, but does nothing horrendously bad, either. Reminds me of a discount early '80s Y&T.
>>127946594>Is this hair metal:>>127946612>It's on the cuspi think its pretty funny how manowar had death to false metal as a catchphrase and put out this song.
>>127948266>i think its pretty funny how manowar had death to false metal as a catchphrase and put out this song.I think that's made even funnier when Fighting the World, a record with one of their most macho album sleeves has actual hair metal on itCan't remember WHICH exact song (maybe it was Blowing Your Speakers?), but I remember being taken aback by it because it sounded like a fucking Crue song
New MSG album just dropped earlier today, and while I'm not familiar with his latter-day output, what I heard here was some pretty good melodic hard rock/heavy metal. My only major complaint is that the filters put on the vocals go overboard more often than not, to the point where it partially ruins Sixstring Shooter (and a few other songs to a lesser extent).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5ib9xwpaWkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIhahMIBKOUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUzR8JNsxJwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJUinJpZeps (Pretty cool to hear Michael Schenker shred over power metal)
I'm gonna head off for the night. Sleep well, everyone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrECR8daZPg
It’s better than Ample Destruction and I’m tired of pretending it’s not.
Probably the best MSG album I've heard, I can really see this one growing on me if I listen to it more. Consistently great hard 'n' heavy and Schenker's at the top of his game. Check it out if you haven't.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWw2_wv0JZIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8G3W_d4vHYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGhykwGIFiQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqE59en2epE
