Welcome to the World of Richard Wagner, the Greatest Human Being to Walk Upon This Earth editionhttps://youtu.be/9GhGuEW4k5wThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>127932898
>>127943973trannies, AIDS and anime
Is your favorite conductor famous enough to have had fanart made of them?
>>127944002Names?
>>127944041>Wagner would read shit, not watch slop like poop
>>127944033left to right and top to bottom: Beethoven, Wagner, Brahms, Mendelssohn & Liszt, Mozart, uuuhh Mahler? Schönberg, not sure, not sure, looks like Berlioz but that'd put him out of chronological order, fucked if I know, that Berenstian fuck or however you spell it, fucked if I know
>>127944002...is that last one the K-man?
>>127944143cringe kino, maybe
>>127944143hehe, they'll never see it coming...
>>127944033Fricsay, E. Kleiber, Bohm, Mengelberg, Knappertsbusch, Bernstein, Celibidache
>>127944218Oh, right, that Celibidache one was on the tip of my tongue, and Mengelberg I thought but didn't wanna assume. Thanks.
Whaddy'all make of Clementi? I know he's an important influence on better remembered composers (from Beethoven and Hummel to Chopin and Moscheles to name a few) and I'm aware of his relevance as a pedagogue (Gradus Ad Parnassum and what not), but of his own music I've heard (and heard *of*) very little.Was he particularly good as a composer? Would you consider him an essential classical composer along with the likes of C.P.E./J.C. Bach, Salieri, Haydn, Mozart, etc?
>>127944218Are you telling me that's Fricsay and not Schoenberg?
>>127944344Yeah. Has his trademark outfit he always wore so it's easy to tell
>>127944479lol
>>127944344>>127944479Also Schoenberg was a stick man.
>Hewitt's WTC sounds strained or forced to me, as if she were tellingherself: "This is how it must be played; so I'll do my best to play itprecisely that way." Her Concerti are more relaxed and spontaneous.She really seems much more more comfortable in these recordings. TheAussies somehow managed to get her to let her hair down. They messher up a bit, and her playing is better for it.Maybe it's because that's how I go about things, but how is that a criticism? She put too much thought into it? That's a good thing, no? And "somehow managed to get her to let her hair down", fuggin' sexist.
>>127944717no, he was a regular human man, flesh and all
>>127944721>how is that a criticism?It's not, it's just thinly veiled misogyny as usual in this business
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>>127944751Yup. There's also this comment:>I've never been completely convinced,>however by Ms. Hewitt's playing - except perhaps for her Francois>Couperin in which the composer's style matches the pianists' pretty>well. She's fastidious, dutiful, serious - but also tends to prettify>and manicure the music she plays. She's a little bit of a female>Perehia IMO. I shouldn't say this, but I imagine her fan base as>being very well-bred young women piano students with perfectly>conditioned hair and lovely outfits from well-to-do suburbs. Don't>take that too seriously, but you get the point, I'm sure.> "Miss Hewitt" certainly has a certain aptnessand>I co-hosted the live broadcasts of the GG Bach Competition which AH won back in 1985. She did, as I said at the time, grab the gold ring with both hands and won the event legitimately.>Since then her style of Bach has grown more and more mannered, in my opinion. One word for it would be "prettified". It is simply not to my taste. Bach's music is sturdy stuff from my vantage point and doesn't really suit the rouge and lip-gloss treatment. Her Bach becomes the very height of coy. Dreadfully cutesy-poo. For those who like that sort of thing, that is the sort of thing they like. I simply don't.>The same Victorian love of lovely lace doilies affects a great deal of the rest of her work. Ravel needs sparkle, spine and rhythmic vitality. Instead she makes it, well, "lovely".Among others. Of course, there's ways these criticisms can make sense, but yes, there's a stranger current of unnecessary misogyny throughout it.
>>127944811oh to smoke indoors. Whenever I watch a French New Wave film, it makes me wanna light one up in my bed right then and there, multiple times!
>>127944832>here's a stranger current of unnecessary misogyny throughout it.as usual in this business, and as reflected in this general
>>127944852Do your parents not let you smoke in the basement or what
>>127944876A few years back, when trying to get sober I moved out to Wisconsin to live with my brother and his family for a few months, and he had a basement with his PCs and a large TV and full bar, and I was allowed to smoke down there. It was awesome. It did result in me smoking a pack a day though, a feat I've never matched before or since. Good times.
>>127943973Did Hilary Hahn ever record Stravinsky Violin Concerto? Seems like up her alley, but I cannot find it.Unrelated question: what's your favorite piece with the same melody being repeated in different voices (instrumental)? I mean it's in a lot of places, but I'm searching for the most pronounced, in your face examples, like Beethoven 5 with da-da-da-dum which is at some point repeated by almost every instrument in the orchestra.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn6K53W_Nu0
>>127944853>their faces when they finally admit the best modern WTC, cello suites, and sonatas and partitas for solo violin sets are all done by female musicians (Hewitt, Weilerstein, and Fischer)
>>127944915Anon, I... it's with Marriner tho, be warned.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWciWj_pzAc&list=OLAK5uy_k82_pvlH4DNcTtbH1pbOJx1iXeOWcxnj0&index=4
>>127944918Women have historically been the better interpreters, even if you go by absolute numbers instead of proportionally
>>127944969That might be a bridge too far for me, anon, but props if you actually believe it.
>>127944915>what's your favorite piece with the same melody being repeated in different voices (instrumental)?Probably the treatment Berlioz's Fantastique gives to the Dies Irae motif. Any late Hindemith sonata/concerto does this to great effect too
>>127944995Not saying all the best are women, but that women are more often on the top tiers
>>127944915There's a lot of piano trios that do that, obviously, with all-time melodies. Off the top of my head, Brahms Piano Trio No. 1, Tchaikovsky's, Rachmaninoff's Piano Trio No. 2, Beethoven's Archduke.
>>127945017Annie Fischer your favorite Beethoven pianist?
>>127945077No? I don't think I have one
test.
bach's wtc books end in b minorbach's mass in b minor is the summit of his choral workcoincidence?
>>127945243Did you pass?
>>127945244No, just opinions
>>127945244Z is the 26th letter of the alphabet. The alphabet also has 26 letters.coincidence?
>>127945272yeah, there is a co-incidence there
>>127945261but it really does end in b minor!https://youtu.be/h4SLYdgfUTM>>127945272that's just the same thing restated twice
>>127945287yeah that's not the "opinion" bit, genius
>>127945295okay but he still chose to write an epic scale mass in b minor is my point
>>127945305>he cose to write a work in a keyand?
>>127944002Andris Nelsons - really love his Shostakovich interpretations. By the way, is he on Ozempic? I remember him being a fatass like five seasons ago, but saw him last week during Mozart's Jupiter and Strauss’ Ein Heldenleben (still no idea what these two pieces supposed to have in common to justify this programming) and he was thin as a stick! Also his new conductor's chair had lots of warranty papers still attached - very distracting.>>127944935WTF? She sounds like she is missing her plane. Orchestra too. Who the fuck set that tempo? Aria I is not as bad as Toccata (which was awful, why do I subject myself to this???). Aria II started ok, but that did not last long. I'm afraid for Capriccio - it's my favorite movement in this (4>2>1>3). OK, OK Capriccio so far okay - it's naturally fast so maybe Hilary could help herself. No, she could not help herself. God, it's like someone removed all whimsy from this piece and played it in a technically perfect way. I will not going to listen to this recording ever again. Never understood anons hating on Hilary before, but now I do.
>>127945287>restated twiceEither restated, or stated twice. Otherwise you're implying it's been said four times.
>>127945330the same key with which he closes (in large-scale manner, I might add) his genius piano cycle. it all goes back to b minor
>>127945342>he chose to write two works in a keyand?
>>127945335lmaoand yes now you're getting it. It's okay though, fortunately the Stravinsky Violin Concerto has tons of other great recordings.
>>127945352that he really loved and saw special significance in b minor. coincidence??>>127945337tru
>>127945375>coincidence??Yes. Pick any other key that he used and you'll find similar patterns. Don't be a schizo.
>>127945402actually you know what this would be more fitting
>>127945402Okay, sorry, I just felt like roleplaying a schizo for a moment, I'm done now. But I really do think it's kinda neat they are in the same key. Of course I don't think it means anything beyond he really liked how it sounds, probably raised a specific emotion or even spiritual tone in him.
>>127945077not usually into womeme performers, but Annie Fischer is amazingMaria Yudina too. her 32nd Beethoven sonata has the most ballsy first movement i've ever heard, and the 2nd movement is completely nuts>Yudina happened to be Joseph Stalin's favorite pianist. One night, Stalin heard a performance of Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 23 on the radio performed by Yudina, and asked for a copy. It was a live broadcast so officials woke up Yudina, drove her to a recording studio where a small orchestra had quickly been assembled, and made her record the concerto in the middle of the night; a single copy was pressed from the matrix and then presented to Stalin. Despite the recognition from Stalin, the pianist remained an uncompromising critic of the Stalinist regime with unprecedented impunity. She was awarded the Stalin Prize and donated its monetary portion to the Orthodox Church for "perpetual prayers for Stalin's sins".
>>127945449damn, basedI'll have to check her cycle out.
>>127945449I also liked The Death Of Stalin
>>127945513Goddam, I always forget what a rock hard hardon Kurylenko gives me
>>127945513>>127945533I got a cousin who looks just like that, only with slightly swarthy skin.
>>127945563She's pretty swarthy though. Also, have you considered fucking your cousin? It's a pretty /classical/ thing to do. Just ask Grieg or Milhaud.
Shostakovich was a Stalinist.
>>127944002I'm like 80% sure this is AI
>>127945585Even worse: He was a coward.
>>127945584I went for a different one, but that's a story for another day.
>>127945597the smudged score on Wagner's hand and the general webbedness of fingers sure seem to suggest that
>>127945613I only hope the other one is somehow hotter than the Kurylenko lookalike
>>127945635Depending on your taste.
>>127945654Well mine's pretty broad to say the least. Heh, "pretty broad". I do like a pretty broad, hyuk hyuk.
>666czech'em
>>127943973Pic look cringe. Can anyone elaborate why?
>>127945751Because you are gay
>>127945751wagner's in it
>>127945766got 'em>>127945751I like it. It's the natural continuation of pop art in the internet age, mixing 4chan culture with highbrow culture. When people discover it in the future, not only will it make perfect sense, but something like it will be featured in textbooks and college powerpoint slides. What's not to like?
>>127945585
>>127945809>When people discover it in the futurelol
>>127945829You get my point. It perfectly encapsulates the spirit and zeitgeist of 4chan. If you don't vibe with the OP pic, or at the very minimum can deal with it without cringing, you don't belong here, full-stop.
/r/equest on a shostakovich with animu girl pic?
>>127945907>you don't belong hereThat's a compliment if I've ever heard one
>>127945917Sure, the kind of compliment if you're able to read it... (then it doesn't apply to you :p )
>>127945916Shosty PoV obviously.
>>127945947lmfao well played
>>127945916
>>127945965ty, very pomo
>>127944316
>>127945751anime memeing is just funny anymore. watching good anime is good sure, but putting animu waifu into unrelated scenarios is simply a long beaten dear horse
>>127946237*Not funny
>>127946248no, it is just funny
>>127946237>a long beaten dear horselike /classical/, and classical music
>>127946237It's not an 'unrelated scenario' though, it's one of our icons.
>>127946549>our iconsget fucked, idolater
>>127946573so true tradlarper
>>127946573You get my point, it's very relevant to us. What would be cringe is if we instead put in a self-insert male character next to a composer or whomever. An anime girl, it's like a post-ironic way of saying the person is a baller for gettin' these 4chan hoes, ya feel?
>>127946582>>127946586get fucked, idolater
>>127946589Literally every disagreement I get into here with anyone who isn't the sisterposter ends in airheaded, bumbling nonsense. Why do I bother...
>>127946582ah yes nothing less "trad" than idolatry
>>127946604>people don't humour my rarted points, why do I bothersounds like a (You) problem, animetranny
Bruckner is literally me
>>127946753hebephile?
>>127946753you've been dead for 130 years
what are we listening before and while going to bed tonight?
>>127946864>weI don't know you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hojF5hnhEFo
so many recordings of Chopin's 24 Preludes, so little time...
>>127946864https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3cY5VRg6o8
>>127946864Debussy is great evening listeninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh-RHjqFwrQ&list=OLAK5uy_mSXEV9GNpfUGrYJmfx1yddNaXqXwTIBhw&index=1>>127946894neat
>>127946911but anon you only need one
>>127946927but that's Chopin's 26 PreludesheheI've never loved Argerich. Maybe I'll give that one another listen though, on your rec.
>>127946926>"Les soirs illuminés par l'ardeur du charbon" (Evenings Lit by the Glow of Coals) is the last piano piece by French composer Claude Debussy, composed in 1917 but only discovered in 2001.I swear to fuck every time I check there's a new piece by Debussy that I didn't know of before. How? How does this keep happening??
>>127946937Imagine if more are discovered after our deaths! Hopefully it's good.
>>127946944>missing out on good stuffHopefully not
>>127946952I meant the piece on the Koroliov recording.
>>127945597>>127945621It's an ancient /classical/ image, predates generative AI for images by quite a few years.https://desuarchive.org/mu/search/image/9Ex7rTo65jOD1DQfX-Ee9A/
>>127946549it's related to us, not the anime girl
>>127947077William Schuman, the 20th century American modernist composer?
>>127947077so it looks bad by design?
>>127947116It looks more than fine, anon, chill
>>127947123>chillYou don't need to be so defensive all the time, animetranny.
now playingstart of Chopin: 24 Preludes, Op. 28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlTU_KAW3Ho&list=OLAK5uy_kOzx0GBcZKw00O2roWVWjl5iIZxAcMKqU&index=2Chopin: Berceuse in D-Flat Major, Op. 57https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w86h41qQOFk&list=OLAK5uy_kOzx0GBcZKw00O2roWVWjl5iIZxAcMKqU&index=26start of Chopin: Nocturneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk4CNd8_otA&list=OLAK5uy_kOzx0GBcZKw00O2roWVWjl5iIZxAcMKqU&index=28https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kOzx0GBcZKw00O2roWVWjl5iIZxAcMKqUI just can't get enough of Chopin's Nocturnes lately.
honestly I like to consider Beethoven's "late" sonatas as starting with the 26th. Usually people start on the 29th but I feel the three previous ones are where the change towards more introspection begins .
>>127947134I don't care for rude behavior toward a nice contribution. Better that the image exists and anon posted it than otherwise, y'know?
>>127947134you are clearly the one who is being overly aggressive, it's not the other Anon who is being overly sensitive
>>127947146Why?
>>127947140Eh, the 26th sounds very middle Beethoven. The 28th I'll agree with though of course.
>>127947149chill
>>127947151Because it's /classical/ content and it's neat. Sure, it's not informative, but charming is still cool.
>>127947167>it's neat
>>127947182...it's neato burrito?
>>127944316>Whaddy'all make of Clementi? I know he's an important influence on better remembered composers (from Beethoven and Hummel to Chopin and Moscheles to name a few) and I'm aware of his relevance as a pedagogue (Gradus Ad Parnassum and what not), but of his own music I've heard (and heard *of*) very little.>Was he particularly good as a composer? Would you consider him an essential classical composer along with the likes of C.P.E./J.C. Bach, Salieri, Haydn, Mozart, etc?
ITT we list composers who are better than chopin:
>>127947466Clementi. Am I right, everyone? No? How so?
>>127947123it passes as "illustrations", "content", but it hardly has much entertainment value. the people who enjoy that type of thing are themselves wannabe artists who enjoy the meta of it. they don't sincerely enjoy consuming such slop. the word "art" has been diluted by people adopting video game developer lingo where art just means visual content referred to by the software code.
>>127947525the chibi conductor image is from an old chinese blogger that used to upload youtube videos of the conductors and their performances, and he just happened to be an artist and he drew them as accompanying images for the videos, that's all
>>127947525art and culture are synonyms and they are defined as anything man does outside of nature
>>127947557so china had ai long before we did huh
>>127947770they are superior to whaitu piggu after alll
>>127947803who isn't
would anyone have any interest in the Alfred Cortot Anniversary Edition that's been autistically tagged and dated? the transfers on this set are pretty good
>when its time for the daily reminder
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
>>127948021I would be interested.
>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>Your Romanticism>My Foot>Your Classicism>My FistI will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and ProkofievThat is all
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms>No Perotin or Medieval Music
>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold
If the spammer includes it in its "classical bad" list then Clementi must be good
>>127948070I wonder where the best place to upload 9gb is
NO MOZARTNO CHOPINNO MAHLERALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIETHIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!SONATA FORM SHOULD DIEONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEATWHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITEBACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER
>>127948176mega if you're patient, a torrent if you can be arsed, soulseek if you're not stupid
>>127944316Whether Clementi should be considered "essential" alongside figures like C.P.E. Bach, J.C. Bach, Salieri, Haydn, and Mozart is a matter of perspective. If "essential" is defined by ubiquitous presence in the modern concert repertoire, then Clementi falls short of Haydn and Mozart. However, if the term encompasses foundational influence and a significant role in the evolution of musical language and technique, then Clementi's place is secure.His work may not consistently possess the melodic inventiveness of Mozart or the profound structural and emotional depth of late Haydn. Yet, his best compositions are far from mere pedagogical exercises. They are well-crafted, often dramatic, and historically vital works that illuminate the transition from the high Classical era to the dawn of Romanticism.In conclusion, while you may have heard little of Muzio Clementi's music, he was indeed a particularly good composer whose work is marked by technical innovation and a forward-looking vision. While he may not occupy the same hallowed tier as Haydn and Mozart in the popular imagination, his profound influence on Beethoven and the development of piano playing as a whole makes him an undeniably essential figure for understanding the musical landscape of his time and the trajectory of piano music for a century to come. To explore his work is to discover a vital and often brilliant musical voice that has for too long been overshadowed.
best recording of the Brandenburg Concertos, Orchestral Suites, Keyboard Concertos & Violin Concertos? it doesn't have to be all one set.
Clementi's significance is profoundly felt in his influence on subsequent generations of composers. Ludwig van Beethoven held Clementi's sonatas in high regard, considering them "the most beautiful, the most pianistic of works" and essential for the musical education of his nephew. The structural and technical innovations in Clementi's piano writing, including his use of octaves, rapid scales, and a fuller texture, undoubtedly left their mark on Beethoven's own revolutionary piano works.The lineage of his influence extends further. His pedagogical masterpiece, Gradus ad Parnassum (1817), a collection of 100 piano studies, became a cornerstone of piano pedagogy. This comprehensive work codified many aspects of modern piano technique and was championed by pianists and teachers long after his death. Frédéric Chopin, for instance, had his students practice Clementi's preludes and exercises, recognizing their value in developing technical proficiency.Clementi's students also became significant figures in their own right, including Johann Nepomuk Hummel and Ignaz Moscheles, who, along with Clementi himself, were central to the "London Pianoforte School," a group of composers and performers who advanced the art of piano playing in the late 18th and early 19th centuries.
When evaluating Clementi's merit as a composer, it is essential to consider his pioneering work for the piano. Dubbed "the Father of the Piano," Clementi was among the first to write music that specifically exploited the capabilities of the burgeoning instrument, moving beyond the harpsichord's limitations. His compositions, particularly his piano sonatas, are characterized by a technical brilliance and a forward-looking style that bridged the Classical and burgeoning Romantic periods.His sonatas often feature a dramatic intensity, virtuosic passage-work, and a harmonic language that anticipates Beethoven. Notably, his use of the minor mode was particularly expressive, often imbued with a sense of "Sturm und Drang" that set him apart from many of his contemporaries. While Mozart famously criticized Clementi's playing as "mechanical," this assessment may have been a product of professional rivalry and a misunderstanding of Clementi's more brilliant, technically demanding style, which contrasted with Mozart's own emphasis on cantabile (singing) melodic lines.Beyond his solo piano works, Clementi also composed symphonies. While these are less-known and have a more complex performance history due to lost and reconstructed manuscripts, they demonstrate a composer with a grasp of large-scale forms and a powerful, if not always as consistently inspired, orchestral voice.
>>127948755>pedagogicalwhat age were his victims?get it? because "Pedagogue" sounds similar to "Pedophile" haha, kind of a clever pun i just came up with, enjoy.
was johann nepomuk hummel a nepobaby?
>>127948734>>127948755>>127948771ai-tier platitudinous trash, not a real assessment
what happened to this general? these threads were so much better back in 20154
Calling Johann Nepomuk Hummel a "nepobaby" is an interesting question that pits a modern term against a historical reality. The answer is nuanced, but one could argue he benefited from a form of professional nepotism that was common and even essential for musical prodigies of his era.Here's a breakdown:The Argument for "Nepobaby" Status:Influential Father: Hummel's father, Johannes Hummel, was a professional musician and the director of the Imperial School of Military Music in Vienna. This was a significant position that placed him within the city's elite musical circles.Access was Key: Because of his father's profession and ambition, the family moved to Vienna, the musical capital of Europe. It was his father who then approached Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart—the most famous composer in the city—to request lessons for his son. This is an opportunity that would have been unavailable to a child from a non-musical family.The Argument Against (or, why it's more complicated):Prodigious Talent: The connection from his father only opened the door. It was Hummel's own extraordinary talent that kept it open. When the seven-year-old Hummel auditioned, Mozart was so astounded by his ability that he not only agreed to teach him but did so free of charge and had the boy live in the Mozart household for two years. This was not a mere favor to a colleague; it was a recognition of once-in-a-generation talent.Earned Reputation: After his studies with Mozart, Hummel's father took him on a grueling European tour, a common practice to build a reputation for a child prodigy (Leopold Mozart did the same with Wolfgang). Hummel's subsequent career, where he became one of the most celebrated and technically accomplished pianists in Europe—a rival to Beethoven—was built on his own virtuosity and compositional skill. He went on to study with other masters like Muzio Clementi, Antonio Salieri, and Joseph Haydn.
Conclusion:While Hummel's father was instrumental in providing the initial, crucial connection to Mozart, it would be inaccurate to label him a "nepobaby" in the modern, often negative sense of the word. The term implies that success is undeserved and primarily due to family connections rather than merit.In Hummel's case, his father's connections gave him an extraordinary opportunity, but his immense, undeniable talent is what allowed him to seize it and build a legendary career. He was a genuine child prodigy whose abilities were recognized and nurtured by the greatest musical minds of his time.
>>127948777No, but his father was a bit of a tiger mom
what about Jan Ladislav Dussek?
>When the seven-year-old Hummel auditioned, Mozart was so astounded by his ability that he not only agreed to teach him but did so free of charge and had the boy live in the Mozart household for two years.uhh
aisloppers on a roll tonight>>127948786see >>127943309
Mozart?more like Mo' SHART
>>127948798I quite like him
>>127948814what happened with the time-honoured "Mofart", too good for you?
>>127948814Mozart? More like Nortubel
>>127948750I would also be most appreciative if anyone could exhibit the courtesy and kindness to recommend a particularly commendable recording of these works. However, I do implore you to refrain from suggesting those insipid """historically informed performance""" (HIP) interpretations, for one must wonder if such a shallow engagement truly captures the depth and nuance intended by the original composers. Your thoughtful contributions would be greatly valued.
>>127948849thanks for the parenthesis else I wouldn't know what on earth you were talking about
>>127948849Do you enjoy typing like a stilted tosser?
AI is truly unsalvageable trash at this juncture. Except for porn I guess.
>>127948904he's le sophisticated classical music enjoyer
>>127948783>can't recognize chatgpt in current year
>>127949011So, a stilted tosser.
>>127949026I literally said it was ai and not real
>>127949011it's a shitpost, no one actually types like that
>>127949119Oh how I would love to be able to entertain the possibility even for a second.
favorite Appassionata performance?
>>127949129it was me and i literally typed it with my penis
>>127949136your penis is a stilted tosser
>>127949098you said it was "ai-tier," i.e. as bad as if (AS IF) written by an AI
>>127949145>>127949139that's true, that is what you said here >>127948783
>>127949133
>>127949161meant to reply to >>127949098>>127949145
>>127949145>>127949161are you alright
>>127949165>Friedrich Guldahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIbN4z4AeGI
>>127949174we are not one person, we are two separate entities, i was merely backing him (or her) up, because he was right, you said "ai-tier" here >>127948783 "ai-tier platitudinous trash, not a real assessment" you said "ai-tier" implying that it was not AI but seemed like AI, you said it was AI tier, not that it was AI, you sdaid it wads AI tier noy that toh said AI=ZYou xaiud AI tier you did not say it was AI, you saif
>>127949213AI is AI-tier. Calling something AI-tier means that you think it might as well been written by AI. To drive that nail home I stated, inequivocally, that it was not a real assessment. It is not the work of a human. Simple as.Any more doubts on the subject you stunted aisloppers might have you can always ask chatgrpj or whatever the fuck you brainlet aislops swear on
>>127949204yes i did not realize his name was not on the pic i posted before i posted it, i am very sorry, thanks for the correction.
>>127949228yes ma'am, you may be correct, however now we are not the same person anymore.
>>127949232What? I posted it and then posted the correction
>>127949260really? i could've sworn i posted it, but i really can't remember, sorry for the confusion.
>>127949242>ma'amI was addressing the point, not whatever LARPing shit you're on about now. I swear AI is only making people dumber and more schizoid
>>127949272yes, i agree, i was agreeing with you i, and i have never and would never interact with AI, however, i am a separate person from that thing that made the original post you were originally replying to.
>>127949228You are very smart. I tip my hat to you.
>>127949324why are you wearing hats indoors
>>127949327I can't afford to heat my apartment since I spend all my money on classical music CDs.
>>127949336consider dating a mildly popular middle aged jewish pervert who gets paid to make lowest common denominator reviews online
>>127949351Doesn't he already have a partner? Also middle aged is pretty generous.
>>127949292>and would never interact with AIYou don't use LLMs? At all?
ALBAN BERG
does anyone here know where exactly Dave Hurwitz lives? I would like to get his IP address permabanned for obvious reasons.
>>127949606Schizo
>>127949637Dave lurks here. I am sure of it.
>>127949473GARBLE BAN.
"Every measure of Chopin's Barcarolle is a miracle"Yes.
>>127949133Ohlsson
>>127948772good humor
How do I stop listening to Bach all the time?
>>127948797but his name has nepo in it
>>127950613By listening to Chopin
>>127949133Gilels duh
>>127950613Start listening to his equals called Telemann and Handel.
>>127950613Of my last 30 most recently listened to recordings, 22 are Bach!
>>127949133R. Serkin, Heidsieck
I do not care for Tchaikovsky.
>>127950947Neither do I. Parts of Eugene Onegin are alright, I guess, and the finale of symphony 6.
>>127950947>>127950964tryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jdAr6nIDM8
>>127949133The 3rd movement, and especially the coda, should be *impossibly* fast. Unplayably fast. Nearing ths speed of light. Only one recording does this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXGtCBO71fgI can't enjoy any other 3rd movement. No one gets it. But Horowitz does the first 2 well.
>>127950990:eyeroll:my kitty wanted me to post thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rjZ4-JYExE&list=OLAK5uy_lMzcZYcXxl4cd9D1FJnBcrTJ7-5qd7sPw&index=6
>>127950980You think I haven't heard his famous piano concerto? It's pure kitsch.
>>127951019My first assumption when it comes to someone disliking a masterpiece is they heard a poor recording of it, not that they find it fundamentally, irrevocably irredeemable.
>tfw eu anon posts links that don't load for me and pretty sure the links i post don't load for them
>>127951018So slow! Horrible! My ears!!!
>>127951028I've listened to quite a lot of his music and read his biography because I actually want to understand his popularity, but despite the effort on my part I still think he's a poor composer. Eugene Onegin isn't all bad, and there are good moments in the ballets, but nothing to warrant his reputation.
>>127951080Fair enough then.>but nothing to warrant his reputation.ok, anon, dislike him all you want, but you can't even see why his music would be appealing? now you're just being disingenuous and sullen
>>127951047If you'll humor me and have the time, I'd like you to try these threeLevithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4QK7OHqhM0&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=76Goodyear (probably your desired tempo)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3RnE_iHp0c&list=OLAK5uy_mUHEoa-F3R1-TaG7EWiDhC587_kmVgnro&index=72Goodehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5d1pqBK4Fw&list=OLAK5uy_khz8jF98pUvoSpKfaAv8rRNmLkOf58B1U&index=72
>>127951028>>127951101And for what it's worth, if I had to listen to Tchaikovsky's (first) piano concerto ever again, there would be only one choice for a recording: Gilels/Chicago/Reiner. One of those rare instances where a performance is better than the composition.
>>127951204Respect. I take it you don't like his Violin Concerto either? The VC, the PC1, and the 4th, 5th, and 6th, (and the ballets), you can safely say you don't like Tchaikovsky then.