Du Pre Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF4MeW4w8FUThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenprevious: >>127955338
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>>127974809The Du Pre/Barenboim Chopin Cello Sonata was pivotal in getting me into classical music. That recording will remain with me until I die.
Eric Guo was tearing it up at the Chopin Competition today. Wonder how far he can advance.
>>127974836>asian pianistsAnon, I...
>>127974785The Art of Fugue is clearly a cycle of related fugues.
>>127974843He did win the historical instruments competition though, that's kind of soulful
>>127974850All I know is talkclassical groups the Nocturnes into one piece on their ranking, and so will I.
"[Handel] is the only person I would wish to see before I die, and the only person I would wish to be, were I not Bach." - J. S. BachAnd when Mozart heard this:"Truly, I would say the same myself if I were permitted to put in a word""Handel understands effect better than any of us -- when he chooses, he strikes like a thunderbolt... though he often saunters, in the manner of his time, this is always something there." - MozartUpon hearing the 'Hallelujah Chorus' from Messiah, Joseph Haydn is said to have "wept like a child" and exclaimed: "He is the master of us all.""Handel is the greatest composer that ever lived... I would uncover my head and kneel down on his tomb." - BeethovenBeethoven, when asked to name the greatest composer ever, he is said to have responded: "Handel, to him I bow the knee."In 1819, Beethoven told Archduke Rudolph: "not to forget Handel's works, as they always offer the best nourishment for your ripe musical mind, and will at the same time lead to admiration for this great man.""Händel is the greatest and ablest of all composers; from him I can still learn." - Beethoven on his deathbed
>>127974860Pic not related I, guess?
>>127974860>no Handel>no Scarlatti All pseuds need to be killed
>>127974895fug that's embarrassing... can't believe they have it so low. Lower than Mussorgsky's Night on the Mountain!? C'mon...
>>127974895>>127974912er, Pictures at an Exhibition*I haven't had my coffee yet!Anyway, if Grieg's Lyric Pieces are a cycle, so are Chopin's Nocturnes.
Is Paganini's Caprice No. 24 the greatest melody ever? Seems like everyone and their grandma wrote variations based on it.
>>127974912Dude, they literally seperate the nocturnes by opus number, not all grouped together at all...
>>127974921Well Grieg's Lyric pieces aren't a cycle either.
>127974923(you)
>>127974932....I question my entire existence. Closing out this tab for the rest of the day. Have a good one.
>>127974942Take care.
>>127974940ywnbaw
Fine I'll meet you in the middle: Chopin's Nocturnes aren't a piano cycle BUT if they were they're be a top 10 work. Happy?
>>127974964No, to be honest I'd be happier if you'd be able to distinguish between the individual nocturnes, or at least distinguish between the different collections by opus number. Because if you genuinely believe they are all just one thing, not one better than the other, then I have to seriously doubt your music listening capabilities. Sorry!
>>127974997...?There are better and worse pieces in Bach's WTC and Liszt's Annees de pelerinage and Chopin's Etudes too, what's your point?
>>127975011That you're not able to name them because you apparently consider all these collections as inseperable organic wholes. But then maybe you're a different anon.
>>127975034I have favorite movements in symphonies too but I still few, ultimately, as one holistic work. Novels have better and worse chapters too. So what? Not like I'm grouping the Nocturnes and the Waltzes.
>>127975051it's a slippery slope
>>127975063Pfft. I would beat you up if I wasn't 5'8 120lbs.
>>127975051A symphony (a single complete entity) is not the same as an entire output of a composer in a single genre (e.g. all Chopin's nocturnes).
>>127975084My point was I see piano cycles as a 'single complete entities.' Doesn't mean I can't fuckin' differentiate the individual pieces lol.
>>127975084>>127975034Also, to clarify that previous post: a lot of it also has to do with the fact that I almost always start listening to these works from the start, and I don't look at the playlist/media player during, so while I obviously have favorite parts, I don't associate them with any individual name because I listen to it holistically. And so, if I were at a party and someone asked me to name one of those parts, I'd be screwed and viewed as a fraud and hilarity would ensure. Get it now?
do any of you play classical music or do you just like to listen to it? it would be great being able to play some classical music on either the guitar or the piano
>>127975127fuck off.
what good is le heckerino counterpoint when your melody sounds like shit? referring to bach here
>>127975114I find it incredible (literally) that during all your repeated listening to those collections, you have not once bothered to check which one was playing when you particularly enjoyed that piece.
>>127975146suck my farts faggot
>>127975161I put it on then lay in bed or pace around the room while listening, usually with 4chan up on my monitor blocking the music player if I'm facing the screen at all. What do you want from me? Do I know "hey, this really great one I love is coming up next?" obviously, I don't listen to them on shuffle, but I don't have a way of delineating and individuating them outside of the pauses and theme and key changes. What do you want me to say? "Oh I really love the one that, uh, comes in like 30 or 40 minutes into it." Best I can do.
>>127975127There's a handful of pianists here, one for some of the other instruments, and occasionally someone part of a professional orchestra will stop by but they're generally too busy with life and success to be a regular I suppose.
>>127975194>>127975161The only times I do that is if it's a mixed program, like in a collected works recorded where you have pieces from all over the composer's oeuvre. When it's part of the same piano cycle, what's the difference? I almost always, always listen to it holistically, so what do I care? Same way I don't load up just the last scene of a movie outside of maybe once or twice.
>>127975146lick my shit you tranny loser
>>127972604i don't get it either. jameson nathan jones likes debussy which makes sense because he's a composer and was taught by an actual classical composer. chopin seems to be more for piano playing nerds and they even have chopin piano competitions. nahre sol is described as a composer, pianist and youtuber, but it's clear that she's a pianist and youtuber who does composing as more of a side hustle and she seems to like chopin.>Nahre Sol received her Bachelor of Music degree in piano performance from the Juilliard School in 2013, studying with Matti Raekallio.>>127975204>There's a handful of pianists here
I love the Nocturnes because it's like Chopin went "lemme put my best ideas here" and it's two hours worth of that, so how can you not rank it highly
Maisky's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNWNO_OfFwk&list=OLAK5uy_mXNNnSgYSQC1IPAhKXUeHda2SoLrhflLQ&index=13One of the greatest sets of the cello suites. Two notes,1) looked at a review of Maisky's later second set of the cello suites, and the review states,>This is Maisky’s second album recording of the Suites made some 14 years after his first. Reputedly he revisited them following a visit to a hifi store. There he thought a demonstration recording of his earlier version being used of his earlier version was a “parody” of his own playing!lmaoand 2) >Maisky’s second vision for the Suites makes no concessions to the historically informed camp. Indeed he would be proud to have it referred to as romantically infused. Especially as he has stated he says Bach as “the greatest romantic”!Bach, the greatest romantic, huh? I love the enthusiasm.
does /classical/ lean theist or atheist?personally never understood how the latter could truly enjoy music. a decent chunk of my joy comes from knowing that God meant every single breve, minim and crotchet of every one of Beethoven's music, as much as he meant every grain of sand in the Sahara
now playingstart of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 10 in E Minor, Op. 93https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCtIm7NF3-0&list=OLAK5uy_kPk6weAsWUeD8dp_t05ynIeVy40IC_Xpg&index=12start of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 4 in C Minor, Op. 43https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BLoe50wJ8U&list=OLAK5uy_kPk6weAsWUeD8dp_t05ynIeVy40IC_Xpg&index=16start of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 5 in D Major, Op. 47https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-TDwWpWO2c&list=OLAK5uy_kPk6weAsWUeD8dp_t05ynIeVy40IC_Xpg&index=20https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kPk6weAsWUeD8dp_t05ynIeVy40IC_XpgThe set that got me, and undoubtedly many others, into Shostakovich's symphonies initially. I haven't listened to it in ages but I have no doubt Haitink's wonderful performances hold up.
>>127974654>I don't get how you can listen to those and not think it's Chopin's best work, but hey, that's the fun in being human I suppose.I see people already tried to argue with this ITT, but Chopin's nocturnes aren't related at all. They are usually stylistically related to each other if in the same opus, related by the period in which they were composed (early Chopin, late Chopin) and by the poetic description of "evocative of night" or whatever, and by extension slower tempos and melancholy (not always). It's nuanced. But my take here is more objective: Chopin's late works are more of a "cycle" of a certain style, than a bunch of Nocturnes. Late nocturnes like op.62 or op.55 are more related to 4th scherzo, 4th ballade, mazurkas op.56, polonaise-fantaisie and cello sonata than any other nocturnes in terms of counterpoint, harmony, melody, pianism etc. They sound more similar to each other, and I assume most pianists would agree. If you take away the "poetic" context (the name "nocturne") it becomes more obvious. Same is true for Beethoven's works, although Beethoven composed piano. chamber, choral and orchestral music so it's even more nuanced.Categorizing anythig as "one set" seems to come from pop culture where albums contain songs unrelated to each other and you have to sit through it all (just like you admitted >>127975220). Nocturnes are usually packed into one container, especially the modern recordings, so I understand your sentiment, but I disagree. If we had to categorize Chopib's unrelated works, I would much rather just say "late Chopin" than a collection of unrelated Mazurkas.
wait a second, Igor Levit has a recording of Shostakovich's 24 Preludes and Fugues, Op. 87? Huh, didn't know this at all despite the many times I've searched for new recordings. Probably because the release is under a different title. It seems to contain a more modern (1963) composition 'about' Shostakovich titled "Passacaglia on DSCH" by Ronald Stevenson. Anyone familiar with this?no. 16 from Levit's Op. 87https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlvBkhjjLKk&list=OLAK5uy_kQ_LXRG0EmWQ1rRE6jwCAW4hvwPstDSBQ&index=33and then the opening from the Passacagliahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnIsZc5CWaw&list=OLAK5uy_kQ_LXRG0EmWQ1rRE6jwCAW4hvwPstDSBQ&index=49>The new album “On DSCH” by Igor Levit is a 3CD discographic tour de force by “one of the essential artists of our time” (The New York Times). That the self-styled “maximalist” enjoys pushing himself to his limits – intellectually and physically – is well known, but the present project – two key cycles of musical modernism - puts all others in the shade. Completed in 1951, Dmitri Shostakovich’s 24 Preludes and Fugues – a summary of all the major and minor tonalities – lasts some two and a half hours in total, while Ronald Stevenson’s Passacaglia on DSCH, which he completed in 1963, is an unbroken set of variations lasting nearly an hour and a half.[cont.]
>>127975474[cont.]>The letters DSCH spell out Shostakovich’s musical monogram using their German note names: D–Es–C–H = D–E–C–B. Levit himself describes the 24 Preludes and Fugues as “a kind of musical diary”: “There is something utterly unique”, he says, “about this combination of warmth, immediacy and pure loneliness. For me, it is a ritual of self-exploration and self-discovery that deals with the most intimate questions.” >Ronald Stevenson (1928–2015), a Scottish composer with a Utopian outlook on life, set out to circumnavigate the world from the starting point of his piano. The DSCH motif provided him with the basis for a spectacular survey of all manner of pianistic and stylistic possibilities over a span of more than three hundred variations. “The Passacaglia”, Levit believes, “is a veritable compendium of life, a kind of music that tells us of our responsibility towards the world as a whole.” >The album’s artwork is specially created by the internationally renowned graphic artist and book designer Christoph Niemann, who regularly illustrates for “The New Yorker” and “The New York Times”. His illustration for “On DSCH” offers a playfully abstract counterpart to this musical experience. The 3-disc set is presented in deluxe paper packaging and includes a limited edition printed insert of the “cryptogram” that Shostakovich used as his musical signature.interesting. I'll be listening to this immediately with excited ears.
>>127975401>a decent chunk of my joy comes from knowing that God meant every single breve, minim and crotchet of every one of Beethoven's music,Then you just don't like music as much as you seem to profess, and you prefer relishing on your delusions.
>>127975489you'll never be a woman.
>>127975401>personally never understoodIt's just vibrations dude. It's about tone, timbre, intervals, harmony and sequence. It's really no different to how paint applied to a canvas in a certain way creates beauty; no metaphysics needed whatsoever.
>>127975454Thanks for the reply. I concede Chopin's Nocturnes is not one single, large piano cycle but a collection of several Nocturne groupings. Yeah, there's definitely a shift in form and tone but I always figured that was just part of the structure of the entire thing, like Liszt's Annees.
>>127975503Glad we got that out of the way. And on a more serious note, your god will always be a delusion.
how do you go from this...(great performances tho)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2zVSduobA8&list=OLAK5uy_lpgWC38LWZZWUi3t81BjEqoZl1AcSWzmM&index=1
>>127975590...to this. Marketing, eh? Or is this outfit and overall album art aesthetic better suited to the forward-thinking, unrestrained modernism of Shostakovich, especially compared to Chopin? idk. Just found it striking and surprising these two recordings are by the same pianist, I really didn't think so based on the covers.
>>127975590Also, relevant to the Chopin piano competition going on right now, Yulianna Avdeeva won the XVI International Chopin Competition, so her Chopin is well-worth checking out.her performance of the Barcarolle, Op. 60https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L1zz17lIcE&list=OLAK5uy_lpgWC38LWZZWUi3t81BjEqoZl1AcSWzmM&index=4
Wand!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Ye8eEwMrk&list=OLAK5uy_lRsM0tiREvIF4vHiLZLxA0EIegPty1msE&index=1
>chopinScarlatti k27 is better than anything he did. He also admitted he copied from Scarlatti btw.
>>127975146ywnbaw.
>>127974584I heard a string quartet but I believe he composed many kinds of things (oratorios, suites, concertos, etc)I literally had his search in my apple music but I didn't think much of it
>>127975741but now that I think about it I added him on socialsI'll ask him kek
>>127975741No string quartets in the baroque era
>>127975487>Shostakovich's musical monogram is DSCH, a four-note motif representing his initials: D, E-flat, C, B-natural. This motif is derived from the German spelling of his name, D. SCHostakowitsch, where E-flat is "Es" and B-natural is "H". The DSCH motif appears throughout his compositions, including the 8th String Quartet, the 10th Symphony, and the Cello Concerto No. 1, serving as a musical signature and a deeply personal symbol.holy autism
>>127975146eat my shit, candy-ass poofter
>>127975788Welcome to modernism.
finishing up the Buchbinder 2014 live Beethoven piano sonatas cycle27, Op. 90https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en3HppotxNw&list=OLAK5uy_nXP4wv16YF-SyuHy8wzLw91S-KwUMGS1w&index=228, Op. 101https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzUOVu6Sjfo&list=OLAK5uy_nXP4wv16YF-SyuHy8wzLw91S-KwUMGS1w&index=429, Op. 106https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW8sXSCdCw8&list=OLAK5uy_nXP4wv16YF-SyuHy8wzLw91S-KwUMGS1w&index=830, Op. 109https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTLAXbxPERA&list=OLAK5uy_nXP4wv16YF-SyuHy8wzLw91S-KwUMGS1w&index=1231, Op. 110https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTMwYH9s90s&list=OLAK5uy_nXP4wv16YF-SyuHy8wzLw91S-KwUMGS1w&index=1532, Op. 111https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ6bK7Mhu0M&list=OLAK5uy_nXP4wv16YF-SyuHy8wzLw91S-KwUMGS1w&index=17
>>127975146don't you have a nigger ass to lick clean you useless faggot?
>>127975647this is a solid one>Majesty vs. Eloquence>This recording of the Bruckner 4th with the Munich Philharmonic postdates Wand's recording of this piece with the Berlin Philharmonic...>The Berlin Philharmonic delivers a powerful and silky smooth sound--reflecting the exceptional pride and technique of its individual players coupled with an apparent German stereotypical desire to fall into line and blend homogeneously. If you desire Bruckner with the maximum measure of punch and grandeur--a steady, logical, perceptive, persuasive march through Bruckner's complex textures, phrasings, and rhythms, these are the recordings for you. None finer. They possess an irrefutable logic.>The Munich Philharmonic, at least in these recordings, appears to be the more eloquent ensemble--and together with their conductor, Wand--miss few opportunities to truly enjoy the playing of this music. Wand and the Munich deliver the full power when necessary--with a crispness rather than a punch to the gut--but truly excel in the quieter and more lyrical moments. By this time in his life, Wand had indeed mastered all the challenges of Bruckner, and with these performances, shows he was ready to have some fun. The orchestra--perhaps capturing the sunnier and more carefree flavor of their home city--heartily complied.>The Munich recordings, I believe, best the Berlin renditions in terms of eloquence, elegance, lucidity, and poetry. The inner voices of the orchestra are clearly heard, and beautiful secondary phrases--buried by too many conductors and their orchestras in this music--are repeatedly highlighted,savored, and "optimized" by Wand.>While the Berlin recordings showcase Bruckner's Wagnerian influence, these clearly put forward his Shubertian side. The 4th is a wonderful reading, the 5th even better. My recommendation is to have both the Berlin and Munich recordings, playing the one or the other as your mood dictates.
Adam Kaldunski just brought the house down in the Chopin Competition. People are crying and fainting. Deutsche Grammophon and Decca are fighting to sign him to Shohei Ohtani-esque record deal. Women are trying to bear his children. The competition is over.
>>127976054damn, the white man marches on meme came true. looking forward to his future recordings
>>127975665Based Scarlatti enjoyer. Chopin is for neurotic and effeminate convalescents.
>>127974860>all that Schubert, Chopin, Beethoven and SchumannGod I hate G*rmans so much
>when its time for the daily reminder
>>127974897>>127975665>>127976163>>127976179thank you axe wounds
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>>127976195Chopin is literally for trannies, as is most music that isn't BABIAA. Go listen to effeminate sissy boy music on your own time and stop shitting the thread up with it.
>>127974892In the afternoon R. goes through several things by Handel and is astonished at their banality; no depth, no Christianity, a proper Jehovah worship. The only excellent thing he remembers is the “Ode to Saint Cecilia.”R. read aloud the poem of “Alexander’s Feast,” since Herr Rub. needs Handel’s work for his essay on Brahms; afterward R. points out several in effective and arbitrary harmonies in it and stresses how in Bach every thing seems magnificent, necessary, and significant.
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>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
>>127975146your mother is a whore and your father is a faggot you stupid nigger lmao
>>127976235
>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>Your Romanticism>My Foot>Your Classicism>My FistI will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
>>127976196>>127976222>>127976237>>127976275>>127976293>>127976308thank you axe wound
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and ProkofievThat is all
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms>No Perotin or Medieval Music
>>127976333>>>>>127976257
>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold
NO MOZARTNO CHOPINNO MAHLERALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIETHIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!SONATA FORM SHOULD DIEONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEATWHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITEBACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER
>>127975146your daddy likes to suck on turds you little faggot
Thanks for the daily reminder, BABIAA-anon.
>>127974860>>127974895>>127974912>>127974932>>127974942>>127974949my sides
I'm so fucking tired of seeing people routinely rank the Well-Tempered Clavier, Goldberg Variations or Art of Fugue as the greatest piano piece ever without any explanation as to why one was chosen above another.Explain your ranking NOW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zz9pyaKc7k
>>127976541For me it's the E flat major prelude from bk.1 which is mostly a fugue.
>>127976507kek. Don't make fun of Mahlerkun, he's frenly
I'll just come right out and say it: I love Puccini's operas with a passion.
Wagner dilates his soul with a music of prolonged modulations.
>>127976541>Well-Tempered Clavier,Some GREAT fugues, some GREAT preludes, a lot of meh ones. It's like Chopin preludes, nocturnes, waltzes or mazurkas, they're not related to each other. I don't usually think of it as a single piece.>Goldberg VariationsThis is usually my choice (for Bach's best piece not overall greatest keyboard piece). The aria is beautiful. And I like most variations, it has an interesting structure, although variations are barely related to each other. The motivic connection is a mere bass line (or harmonic progression), and it doesn't really put everything together. It is disjointed, but still more cohesive than WTC.>Art of FuguePeak of Bach, but unfinished, it's the only reason I normally wouldn't pick it above Goldberg. The motivic connections are very evident, unlike anywhere else in Bach's large scale keyboard works. It is very cohesive and feels like one whole. In contrast, Goldberg is more varied, with canons, toccatas and what not.That aside, putting these pieces above Beethoven or Chopin is a bit pretentious. They are still formally too baroque, short and less varied than what came after. But I guess it depends on the individual taste at some point. And don't get me started on Bach cultists, they are a circus of classical community. Counterpoint is admirable, but it's not everything.
>>127976541I would have to say: Contrapunctus XI
>>127976780I don't get it, is there something funny about this phrase?
>>127976813>a lot of meh onesWhat makes a WTC prelude/fugue 'meh' in your opinion?
>>127976813>putting these pieces above...Chopin is a bit pretentiousLOL
>>127976983Boring subjects, very short structures. Most of them are good though, don't get me wrong. It's the same as with any composer, some pieces are less good than others. An early Beethoven sonata or 1st Chopin sonata aren't exactly on the same level as the late Beethoven or Chopin.
>>127976541wtc and partitas are ok. goldberg and fugue are redditslop
>>127976879Sorry, meant Contrapunctus IX. Silly little typo.
The prelude in E major of bk.2 goes on for far too long. In some recordings where the preludes and fugues aren't separate tracks, I have to sit through the whole darn thing before I can listen to the glorious fugue - which happens to be one of the greatest things Bach ever wrote.
>>127976541It took a while for the WTC to click for me, at least to the level of where I considered it a masterpiece. If you're asking for all three, odds are you just haven't found the right recording yet, and probably tried something super stodgy and mechanical and think Bach's music is simply like that.Try this from Trifonov's Art of Fugue and tell me it isn't doesn't make you feel the presence of divinity, not to mention formal musical genius.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1M2Sx98ZPU&list=OLAK5uy_lYcjatHBOJ9raY_ysy_miCCz9jWtweHlI&index=56
speaking of Art of Fugue recordings, let's finally try Charles Rosen'sit opens with Ricercar a 3 from the Musical Offeringhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd4Bo_ygBz8&list=OLAK5uy_kGZXlJdL_750wyi4rlZkfnSDG1tUPoYhM&index=2thenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSjD88wHh_4&list=OLAK5uy_kGZXlJdL_750wyi4rlZkfnSDG1tUPoYhM&index=4and for some reason on YouTube Music it's split into two releases, weirdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCmFwRKBfXw&list=OLAK5uy_lc73WOIh126-w3tiYiG0XDt0HOxLNvxT8&index=1let's see if it's as good as everyone says. The Ricercar a 3 certainly sounds nice.
>>127977109I would give my left nutsack for Trifonov to come out with a WTC and Goldberg Variations. His Art of Fugue is modern romantic Bach played to perfection.
>>127977134fuck off
>>127977209i-it's not g-good? sorry :(
I’m sorry about the misogynistic things I say on here. Mostly for meming, bros.
>>127977079I love the long pieces in WTC :3 but I feel you, especially when combined
>bachpseudointellectual counterpoint worship "melody is not important""music is a mental exercise/music doesn't need to be fun"peak redditslop
>>127977320I guess it's okay to feel this way when you're seventeen. No later though.
Alexandra Papastefanou's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Xw--vhJyU&list=OLAK5uy_nXZrYRnTHOmXSsccwZXvgIi3nSrOp-etE&index=69
What are the most tragic and/or malevolent symphonies?
>>127977365All of Allan Pettersson's will be right up your alley. Also Mahler's 6th and Shostakovich's 8th.
>>127977354Nice schnozz.
>>127977350Do your parents call you by your deadname still?
>>127977320>>127977406>reddit and trannies brought out of nowherethat poster hit the nail on the head when he called you 17 huh
>>127977391A nosejob would boost her attractiveness by 2-3 points, easily. Sad.
>>127977411redditors and troons love bach
>>127977350>>127977411thank you axe wound.
>>127977365Suk - Asrael symphonyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFoFxa7Hc04Schmidt 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_fjFPhrKjwMahler - Adagio from his 10th symphonyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PQT5IK8mwA
>>127976568the cello suite no1 goes hard, dont really fuck with the rest
Favorite Bruckner 7?
>>127977823Ormandy
>>127974912>>127974860Nothing more recent than the 1950s. Is no one writing good piano music any more?
>>127977928No. Western civilzation is in decline. Haven't you heard?
>>127977928>Is no one writing good piano music any more?No.
>>127976506It's always a pleasure anon, some of these faggot need to hear the truth one way or another
2nd favorite Bruckner 9?
What is your favorite movement from Mahler's 10th? It is a strange symphony, it's hard to wrap my head around it. What was he even trying to do here? Themes are barely discernible
>>127978495>actually Alma Mahler, his wife, published the adagaio after Mahlers death even though he himself had asked her, in case he dies soon, to never publish it since the symphony was not complete at that point and thus the adagio could never be understood without the full symphony, without its “context”. It was Mahlers biggest wish that Alma would destroy the manuscript but still Alma published it which to this day causes discussion between Mahler lovers.
>The chilean art theorist, filosopher, teacher and investigator Gaston Soublette established after making a deep "Musicsophycal" study of this work that the Addagio is in fact, a musical transcription from the first verse from the first chapter of the Old Testament, the Origin of Creation in the tradition of the Torah. He realized that the prosody of the biblical text matches with every note played on the addagio, and this observation was confirmed by the rabbi Gustavo Gad, from the Sinagoga in Av. Lyon, Santiago de Chile. This piece might be understood as a manifest, due Mahler asumed his Jew cultural heritage as a grown man, in spite of his convertion to catholism.>Greetings from Chile and sorry for any mistakes in my english
>>127978568>the prosody of the biblical text matches with every note played on the addagioHow is this even possible?
>>127978736Anything is possible through the power of schizophrenia.
>>127976054Pretty unremarkable IMO. He seems to have a problem maintaining a smooth phrase and overall not know what he wants to achieve. I vaguely remember liking the french chick yesterday better, but that might just as well be the remnants of my heterosexuality speaking.
>>127976054music is not a sport>>>/sp/fuck off and don't come back
>>127978886The consensus on her was positive
>>127977823Giulini, Karajan, Celibidache on some days
add to filter: 'fuck off'
>>127976054Thanks for keeping us apprised, anon.
>>127979249fuck off
>Born in Rome of humble parentage in 1752, the thirteen-year-old Clementi, already an accomplished keyboard player, caught the attention of an English traveller on his ‘grand tour’, Sir Peter Beckford, cousin of the novelist William Beckford. According to Beckford’s forthright explanation, he ‘bought Clementi from his father for seven years’, and brought him to his distinctly rural estate of Steepleton Iwerne, just north of Blandford Forum in Dorset. The idea was apparently that Clementi, as a single-person low-cost musical establishment for the place, would play for the entertainment of Beckford and his guests.Was Beckford a pedagogue?
third time's the charm
>>127979291yeah, I'm not at my best today
>>127977823Günter Wand, NDR-Sinfonieorchester (live)also maho more like my whore
>>127977823Poschner
>>127977350>>127977411>>127977823>>127979286you will never be a woman vile freak you and other sodomites will soon be social rejects, every troon, sodomite will be doxxed no matter how anonymous they try to be, dragged from their homes and violently torn apart by their neighbors in righteous anger after they woke up and got sick of dgeneracy that has been pushed onto the western world for a long time
>>127979657
if anything the west needs to be more degenerate; this shit's not nearly enough to get me off
>>127977430everyone loves Bach you dumb fucking idiot
>>127979825Only mentally ill brainlets and soullets don't
>>127974892Reminder that Handel had two opportunities to meet him but declined because why meet your lesser's, keep sucking his cock though it won't make you any less brown.
>>127979905Counterpoint boring wank is the opposite of soul
>>127979986I get that, but understand that you're a mentally ill brainlet soullet
You will still be brown despite how how much theory wank you masturbate over
>>127979986iunno man, a good wank makes my soul feel great
best Bach Partitas BWV 825–830 recording?
>>127980231scott ross
>>127975401please consider committing suicide. If you are short on ideas I recommend attaching yourself to a tub of concrete and descending to the abyssal plain.
a decent chunk of my joy comes from knowing that God meant every single hair, wrinkle and poop particle on every one of my wife's boyfriend's assholes, as much as he meant every raped, tortured, and murdered child in the world
>>127980018so true, sister.
Y'all need naturehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHO4LNb-Ux4
best recording of Bach's English & French Suites on Harpsichord?
>>127981604https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjHUb7NSrNk
>mfw at a party and just wanna go home to listen to Bach's WTChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy6c8ZJM0dY&list=OLAK5uy_mGN-s_gTCkIXCDQfB5gyfisNkkeCeP-qM&index=13
>>127981617>christians
>>127977823desu though outside of maybe a couple recordings, I've never heard a 7th that wasn't at least decent, if not good, because the source material is so great, so just go with your favorite conductor/orchestra/cycle sound
Logic without epistemology is just wordplayReason does not raitfy realnessOntology is a pursuit as vain as it is pitiablehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCi9haciGU8
>>127977823
>>127981970I always forget this 7th exists. In my head Bohm only has a 3rd, 4th, and 8th.
>>127981954This is kinda fire. How haven't i heard of this before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhaGxtT1odU9:45>emotions not mentioned
>>127981994Foulds has been criminally neglected; it's honestly ridiculous how good his stuff (what hasn't been lost) ishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqg3EZoiqLI
>>127981330speaking of underrated and overlooked (though in this case not a whle composer but a work by a well liked composer): To me this wonderful piece stands toe to toe with the best of that interesting moment where Debussy was making his final musical statements, Stravinsky was setting the world on fire with the Rites, and Schönberg &co. were reassessing the very basics of music: Harmony, Melody, and Timbre (Rhythm perhaps at that moment was more of a Stravinsky turf, but you get the idea)Sure the Mandarin ballet is better in all ways one word can be better than another, but that's like saying "Rites was better than Petrushka": It doesn't take away that the previous work by that composer on that genre is one of the highpoings of the first third of that century.
>>127982145It's certainly unique. As folky as Stravinsky's ballets at the time but also almost expressionistic in the great, often dissonant forces necessary and the vague, folksy (still latent at the time) and modal impetus creeping up. Like a 1870 Wagner meets a 1940 Messiaen in a barren postWWI wasteland to duke it out with dissonance and modal gestures and traditions and clear sights for the future until they spray and wash down they dry fiends with their blood, turning them fertile and fructiferous.How lovely.
now playingLiszt: Ave Maria "Die Glocken von Rom", S. 182https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TG5DdwxySM&list=OLAK5uy_krZ7ASZji5xMPrSriStSANRy1YFfcFqBw&index=2start of Liszt: Harmonies poétiques et religieuses, S. 172a (1st Version) [three pieces]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nowLq1HQG0&list=OLAK5uy_krZ7ASZji5xMPrSriStSANRy1YFfcFqBw&index=4start of Liszt: Harmonies poétiques et religieuses I, S. 154https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yFBnMEfso&list=OLAK5uy_krZ7ASZji5xMPrSriStSANRy1YFfcFqBw&index=7Liszt: Alleluia, S. 183 No. 1 and other misc pieces to followhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYqmo03mKFM&list=OLAK5uy_krZ7ASZji5xMPrSriStSANRy1YFfcFqBw&index=17https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_krZ7ASZji5xMPrSriStSANRy1YFfcFqBwAlways a good night for Liszt's Harmonies poetiques et religieuses, provided you're spiritually attuned
>>127982358We all know this but I wanna reiterate just how fuckin' amazing Liszt's Bénédiction de Dieu dans la solitude is.
>>127982882I didn't, thanks for pointing that out, it's beautiful.
>>127975401I'm an anti-theist, actually
>>127975401Atheists lack the spiritual sensitivity to appreciate music with as much passion as it was appreciated by historical composers with religious faith.
>>127983401for this to be true the spirit would need to be real in the first place
>>127983401>>127983425He's got you there!
>>127983401Most composers were atheists. If you need an extramusical to appreciate the music, you inherently lack the sensitivity to appreciate music to its full extent without the extramusical.
what's next. you have to be a stonemason to appreciate Mozart?
>>127983447well it certainly wouldn't hurt
>>127983447you also need to have a scat fetish and live in Vienna.
>BrahmsAtheist>BeethovenAtheist>ChopinAtheist>BachAtheist>ShostakovichAtheist>LisztTheist>WagnerAgnostic>BrucknerTheist>RachmaninoffTheist>SchubertTheist
>>127983537how the fuck was Bach an atheist?
>>127983542https://www.bach-cantatas.com/Articles/Bach-Atheist.htm
>>127983425>>127983429No it wouldn't. Are you stupid? Anyone can just say the spirit is something that belongs to human psychology and it remains just as concreate to human experience.>>127983431>Most composers were atheists.Patently false.
>>127983537>>Wagner>AgnosticHe was a pantheistic mystic like most educated Germans at the time.
>>127983568>false.Evidently not.
>>127983542He was protestant, that's the same as being an atheist
>>127983567Typical anachronistic atheist mistake of confusing anti-authority willfulness with anti-religious protesting. Stupid boomers thinking the entire world existed in the microcosm of the 1960s.
>>127983603it didn't? please take your meds, anon.
>>127983603If the church and religion is authority and you're anti-church that means you're likely at *least* agnostic, if not full blown anti-theist unable to express frustration due to circumstances
>>127983611Yes it did, it points out examples of Bach disliking authority controlling his life and critiquing his music and extends that to Bach being opposed to religion.>>127983615Anon, Christians can be annoyed at a priest or think he's stupid without being anti-Christian. Surely you know this. Or, what, LOL, did you think every Christian in the 17th century was a drone that didn't use their brain? Unbelievably naive idea of history.
>>127983615TIL Martin Luther was at *least* agnostic, if not full blown anti-theist.
>>127983660yes, and Jesus was a NEET edgelord.
>>127983644>Christians can be annoyed at a priest or think he's stupid without being anti-Christian.No shit. Try to read the actual arguments (>>127983567) before making these half assed statements
>>127983684Anon, I responding to a post there, not to the article. Try to actually keep track of the chain of replies.As for that article, it quite definitely names occasions of Bach doing mildly rule-breaking things, and of being annoyed with religious authority, as examples of him being an atheist that doesn't believe in Christianity. And that's absolutely retarded boomer logic. It also makes some assumptions without any basis, like the idea that one of the funeral cantatas we have was written for his uncle, and furthermore that there is an ironic implication in its title. That's completely unfounded.
>>127983660no shit, Sherlock. Protestantism is just crypto atheism.
>>127983726>responding to a post there, not to the article.And the post you're responding to is about the article.Arguments taken alonr are not convincing. Taken together, they hold significant value. And although no one will ever know the truth, even if we had a crystal clear evidence that he was an atheist, scholars would still deny it. The arguments, combined with my general knowledge and experience, fairly convinced me. Because we can't say something for certain, doesn't mean it's implausible. There's a theory that Bach wasn't a composer at all - can you disprove it? No, you obvioisly can't. Is it true? Very likely not.
Bach's book collection
>>127983808for what it's worth
fuck off with this shit
>>127983791>And the post you're responding to is about the article.But his statement is not representative of the article. Unless you want the article to be even more retarded than it is. Was my response to that anon not correct? You say 'no shit', but evidently that anon needed to be told.>Arguments taken alonr are not convincing. Taken together, they hold significant value.Sure, but I've yet to see anything convincing. It's all just a ridiculous manipulation of innocuous anecdotal data. The further we get away from Bach being a devout Christian, the more unlikely the argument is. It would be unlikely for one to claim that Bach had no respect for religious institutions, but was himself still a Christian, but it's still more likely than Bach being a full blown atheist. And yet it is always this most extreme interpretation of events that is jumped to, for obvious ideological reasons.
>>127983851>for obvious ideological reasons.The ideological reasons exist for supporting the usual narrative, that someone like Bach believed in fairy tales. There is no ideological reason for rejecting that nonsense and being realistic. It is a neutral stance to assume he probably wasn't a theist, especially a 'real' christian.
Bach was black, Muslim, and trans.
>>127983942More believable than a "devout christian" lmfao
>>127983537>>127983567>>127983978kkkkkkkkkkkk xd
https://youtu.be/2Ojhx-cFsJwMany scholars have often argued that regardless of his Christian afflictions, Wagner privately worshipped the god Dionysus or Bacchus in his roman orientation. He was fascinated by the Greek culture, reading countless books centered around Greek Mythos and cities like Ithaca, Sparta and Athens. He saw the German culture in decline, often saying how Jews have modernized and raped the very foundation of art. Beseeched by Bacchus and guided by Odin, Wagner undertook the arduous journey of restoring what he called European music and tradition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GgoG2Wg8nI&list=OLAK5uy_kVzx81ozMwbktYoJesroEKuytnmfjsGPw&index=1>Italian pianist Michele Campanella has become renowned as a Liszt specialist, but with customary modesty and respect for the composer's music he has chosen to wait until now to record the seminal 'Années de pèlerinage'. The desire to get to grips with these pieces dates back 50 years to when Campanella was first starting to play Liszt's music, but he waited, recognising that maturity and experience would bring him closer to Liszt's own state of mind as he composed these pieces. Liszt's dazzling virtuosity is often emphasised, but in this recording Campanella has accentuated the composer's more introspective tendencies, making this a unique and truly insightful interpretation.The three sets of Liszt's 'Années de pèlerinage' take the listener on a journey not only through the geographical regions that inspired the composer, Switzerland and Italy, but on a voyage through his own personal development, becoming increasingly inward-looking and spiritual with each cycle. The first set, 'Suisse', already displays much of that psychological scope, with works of quintessential Romanticism: poetic, evocative and wide-ranging in their emotional landscape. The second set, 'Italie', is even more organic and compact in its conception, and in the final set we hear an older composer reflecting on life and death in music characterised by impressionistic colours and profound spiritual depth. This album is a rare opportunity to hear a musician immersed in Liszt's world perform this music in a way that puts the music first; Campanella does not use Liszt's pieces as a vehicle to showcase his own skill, but records them with a sincere wish to communicate the intricacies of the repertoire. With this in mind, Campanella has recorded Liszt's works on a Steinway model D from 1892 that has survived to this day with all its original components intact, resulting in a warm and authentic sound.
Scott Ross Scarlatti is pure genius.
>>127976179>all that good music
>>127984053Gotta love that classic, reverberating Steinway sound.
>>127983081Glad to hear :) if you love that, you'll also probably love the similarly epic piece on one of Liszt's other piano cycles, Vallée d'Obermannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCWfUtZ-bUand then if you do end up loving that, then of course you should check out the entirety of the cycles they come from: Harmonies poétiques et religieuses, S. 173, and Annees de pelerinage. Enjoy!
there some pieces in Liszt's Annees de pelerinage that, when listening to them, momentarily convince me it's the greatest piano work of all time
Another day, another piano WTC discovered to listen to. This time by Jill Crossland.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Eb3vdK-0wM&list=OLAK5uy_n4UH1qlsMerJbFTAMH4v3yS9erlodBXZM&index=26Not really sure how I'd characterize this one yet but I just started listening to it. Soon I'll compile a list of all the ones I think are worth listening to, for those who like me want to venture beyond just the usual names.
>>127984048If only he had succeeded.
Has anyone here with a background in classical music theory learned jazz theory? I’m interested in expanding my horizons with the Berklee Book of Jazz Harmony or something similar. I’ve been a classical musician my whole life and know fuck all about jazz - just curious to hear if others here have done something similar.
Daily reminder that Telemann is criminally underrated.
>>127984921He got any large-scale choral works? Like a mass, oratorio, etc?
>>127983896Anon, it speaks rather pitifully for your education that you think religion cannot just as easily be the product and source of intelligent contemplation as atheism. At worst, such an opinion betokens a want of intelligence, but I will not assume that. Given that many intelligent people today lack a proper education. Surely you have read some book by an author from the centuries preceding the 20th? It must be obvious to you that the majority of intelligent Christian people from the 19th, 18th, 17th century were not just secret atheists. David Hume made his doubts public, without punishment, and yet the majority of intelligent people in that era were still devout Christians. Why would they pretend when there was practically no repercussions? Even having to ask this question is ridiculous. You are the victim of a most oppressive ideological bias, since it forces you to deny all reason and common sense yourself, and concoct a fantastical and unreal idea of history. To an intelligent religious person religion is much more than just 'fairy tales' and 'nonsense', and, as the education in Bach's time was deeply connected with religion (as the education of our time is deeply connected with atheism), the average intelligent person then was of course religious. These are facts both psychological and historical and they cannot be denied without vanquishing your own intelligence.
Wand!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JnRnvELBKw&list=OLAK5uy_msZAewvHgohBY3oE-smzGefZRbPjLk4bk&index=1
Listening to Bach won't make you less brown, sorry sister.
>>127984980Spare me your lectures. Idiots are very often mistaken for intelligent people, and 'genuis' is the most overused buzzword in the current era, it completely lost its meaning due to pop culture.I can't say what percentage of scholars (scientists, mathematicians, engineers, maybe composers - and not anyone else) were atheist, but I can tell from experience many didn't give a shit about and even criticized many fundamental aspects of religion. To be religious, one must express his beliefs, live by them, and die by them. Brahms never did for example, and he was refered to as an "atheist" by a priest(?) on multiple occasions. Liszt was at least spiritual, on the other hand. And besides, of course they had many reasons to hide it. It was both illegal and culturally unacceptable, so yes they would likely often avoid criticizing religion and god even if they wanted to. I don't know how you could even doubt such a thing.I understand idealism and religiousness as some sort of Hegelian coping mechanism or symbolism or whatever Jordan Peterson is preaching. Dawkins is completrly right about philosophy though, most of it is nothing but a verbal trickery of little value. I do not even believe pseudo-christians like Peterson are actually theist. But this is not an appropriate place to elaborate on such topics.
>>127985224ywnbaw
>>127985398I never intended to be, pleb
now playingstart of Brahms: String Quartet No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 51https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDOr1u0DTog&list=OLAK5uy_m9ERehjcJ_LohQB5wTuNh9Y8qyqMjZNEI&index=2start of Brahms: String Quartet No. 2 in A Minor, Op. 51https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iM2aK5L0pU&list=OLAK5uy_m9ERehjcJ_LohQB5wTuNh9Y8qyqMjZNEI&index=6start of Brahms: String Quartet No. 3 in B-Flat Major, Op. 67https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3I4Pq3RsJo&list=OLAK5uy_m9ERehjcJ_LohQB5wTuNh9Y8qyqMjZNEI&index=10start of Brahms: Piano Quintet in F Minor, Op. 34https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2YKFvnos34&list=OLAK5uy_m9ERehjcJ_LohQB5wTuNh9Y8qyqMjZNEI&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m9ERehjcJ_LohQB5wTuNh9Y8qyqMjZNEI
>>127984798Legitimately curious about this. Anyone here study jazz theory with a classical background?
Anyone else avoid listening to their favorite 10/10 recordings too often because they're too perfect, too emotionally powerful? For any given piece, I listen to the 8s and 9/10s more often. Better for more frequent casual listening. Silly perhaps.
>>127985441jazz is just improv which classical musicians should be able to do already. handel used to improv solos in his operas and performances constantly, only modernist bugmen are unable to do this
>>127985441There was one anon not too long ago but I haven't seen them much the past couple months.
>>127985224are you saying that bach wasn't a genius or that he was merely pretending to be religious to keep his job at the church? many people consider bach to be a goated composer although perhaps below beethoven and mozart so you'd find extremely few candidates for the genius title if you have such strict requirements. i don't want to consider ed sheeran or bruno mars to be geniuses but if you /mu/ /prod/ anons look like actual retards by comparison. the correct definition of the word genius might not be as strict as what we were taught in school when we were young, like how the definition of gender has changed and people want to call anything man-made "art" without applying any quality standards.
>>127985472Listening to 10/10s exhausts me - I agree. Takes a lot of focus and often leaves me feeling caught up in my head. Especially during work hours it can be distracting. The night is the time for 10/10s.
>>127985492I am a classical musician and I am horseshit at improv. I never took composition classes though, I was purely performance oriented. From the little I know, jazz theory seems to differ quite a bit from classical theory when it comes to resolutions and chord voicings.
>>127985504I'm only saying that there's a *decent chance* he wasn't at all religious, and maybe an agnostic if not an atheist. Nothing else.
>>127985441If you've studied classical music theory you should be able to pick a decent amount up just by listening.
I think my solo piano music obsession phase is coming to an end. Wonder where my ears will go next -- symphonies, chamber, concerti, chora/vocal!? Guess I'll have to play the spectrum and see what clicks, because it certainly isn't the piano, can't even get through a 5 minute piece without my brain flashing the "not interested" signal. Or maybe I'm just not in the mood for music at all today, but I doubt it's that.
>>127985555WE WUZ BACH AND SHIIIIIIIIEEETTT
A good example of improvisation is "Vo' Far Guerra" from Rinaldo, where Handel famously improvised the virtuosic harpsichord solos at the 1711 London premiere, to the great applause of the large crowd gathered.
>The harpsichord solos which decorate "Vo' far guerra" in act 2 were originally improvised on the keyboard by Handel during performances, and were extremely popular. They were remembered and written down by William Babell, and published later as separate pieces.
Yo-Yo Ma's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNvYontdk2A&list=OLAK5uy_nor5OdTQp-MWxcWyssdeLxPmEFiXg1w1g&index=2
What do you think of this piece?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMEHsHDgF_g
>>127985661Why do you insist on making us party to your depravity?
>>127985566Yeah and I have been having some success, but hearing a jazz piano player rip through 8 chromatic modulations in 2 bars is still pretty overwhelming to my ears. That’s where I’m thinking some formal study could help.
>>127985617>>127985640thanks sister
ive been an atheist for nearly my entire life, 25 years, but this gave me a religious experiencehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdexxexY_J4i started looking for a cathedral to go tobut all the pastors at each one were people totally racially foreign to me and the roots of christianity and the culture surrounding it and i said fuck it
>>127985737fuck off
>>127985753why
>>127985737You were likely never an atheist to begin with, just a lazy theist.
https://youtu.be/XTkXNlz26Zk?si=FVY4zSocA1cV5oQWbruh I admire those guys so much, what they're doing is honestly unprecedented in the world of classical music, they're bringing this almost obscure and shunned genre to modern audiences who'd never even try it otherwise, we might see a humongous resurgence of classical music in the next few years and it's all due to those two guys, they might not be great composers or players, but to me they've already carved their names as two of the greatest classical musicians of this generation.
>>127985224oh kek you guys were already arguing about religion lmfaoive literally never posted in or even seen this general beforei barely come to /mu/>>127985753>>127985767still not religious. just a newfound appreciation for christianity in a cultural way i guess, but doesnt seem like its being preserved very well around here at least
No hallucinatory schizoid has ever done something beautiful. No sir. Never.
>>127985694You could buy a real book and read along with the chords while listening.
>He is Brahms (hats off!); I am Bruckner; I like my works better. He who wants to be soothed by music will become attached to Brahms; but whoever wants to be carried away by music will find but little satisfaction in his work.
>>127985773gay
Most of the greatest jazz players can't read. You have to be really stupid to approach the genre from a classical lens.
>>127986043That's because most of the greatest jazz players were negroids. For the white man, I would recommend using the white man's methods.
>>127985941That’s a good idea, thanks. Learning theory is useless if it isn’t put into practice imo.
>>127986043Oscar Peterson.
Shostakovich looking like he's in a Carry On film
Glenn Ghoul once said Mozart died too late rather than too soon. He then demonstrated this himself by dying young but not soon enough.
>>127986776>says this>records a full cycle of Mozart sonatasa curious man
>>127986776QRD on this guy? I see a lot of hate towards him
>>127986916listen to his recording of the Goldberg Variations (1955 version), that'll tell you everything you need to know
>>127986916Someone who's not a pianist claiming to be a pianist
Why are there so many Jewish classical musicians?
>>127986916There's a lot of people here who think it makes them look cool to criticise popular things
>>127987088high IQ
>>127986916he is a meme performer mostly enjoyed by people who have only just gotten into classicalI say he is a meme performer because he frequently ignores the score in favour of his own eccentricities and hums loudly as he plays (which he claimed to be out of his control even though he tried to stop) but he became a famous household name from his bizarre behaviour (refusing to play if not sitting on his favorite chair for instance) captivating peopleignore >>127987104 he probably has stockholm syndrome from listening to too many of his recordings
>>127986868he did say he liked playing them, just not listening to them. I feel the same with Chopin
>>127987213A lot of classical musicians appreciate Gould though. I don’t know anyone who tries to imitate his playing style or advocates for their students to play like him, but he’s taken seriously (by some).
SD
>>127987370Sensetive Dick?
>>127987532scriabi's diner i presumeStill don't get what it means
>>127987563Why would you presume that?
>>127987370Sudden Death
>>127984936He was one of the most prolific composers in history, highly regarded and compared to Bach and Handel in his time. He wrote over 40 passions, 20-25 oratorios, around 13 masses, over 1700 cantatas, etc. The best works are>Der Tag des Gerichts>Der Tod Jesu>St. Matthew Passion 1758
>>127988339>Particularly striking examples of such judgements were produced by noted Bach biographers Philipp Spitta and Albert Schweitzer, who criticized Telemann's cantatas and then praised works they thought were composed by Bach, but which were actually composed by Telemann.Musicology has always been a joke.
>>127988339So a bunch of choral works and nothing else. I might have identified my least favorite composer rn
>>127975432Thanks anon, I liked this version of 10th. Some parts are pretty brutal.
Something very different before going back to Bach and olders.
>>127988659Don't you know the melody of his famous viola concerto? Pleb.
