Nightfall editionCandlemass - At The Gallows End https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IDNY2mvnDcThis general is dedicated to the discussion of traditional heavy metal and its many sub-genres. Before posting, please view the link below and familiarize yourself with what we do/do not allow.Guidelines: https://pastebin.com/7cJ7xZy8>Is [genre/band/album] fit for /trad/?If you have to ask this, it probably isn’t and you should take what you want to talk about somewhere else.>When will charts be added to the OP?Once we finish all of the main 1980s charts and move onto the '90s.USEFUL LINKShttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1luaLZfavSeXui9RkO1PZ3U5gAE1XHfkH?usp=drive_link - Giant archive of old metal & rock magazines.https://www.metal-archives.com/ - Search for your favorite bands and look under the “similar artists” tab.https://en.metal-tracker.com/ - Bittorrent tracker from Russia, in order to use it you need to have a registered account. https://rateyourmusic.com/ - Search for albums, charts and lists here. (Some early trad albums have metal as a secondary rather than primary; so when looking for music from the early-mid ‘70s make sure you include heavy metal as a secondary in your filter as well.)https://www.slsknet.org/news/node/1 - P2P application for downloading albums. It is your best friend.Vote for the next album here: https://strawpoll.com/wby5Q3KGKyAPrevious thread: >>127897759
(Reposting because previous version of this thread was DOA)The 1986 chart is still in progress. If you missed out (or want to suggest something else), reply to this post with what albums you want included. Here is the criteria:1 Vote = Put on the list.2 Votes = Put on the list and has a higher chance of being included.3+ Votes = Guaranteed to be on the chart.
YOU'RE A DEMON'S YOU'RE A DEMON'SYOU'RE A DEMON'SDESIRE
>>128000789I FUCKING LOVE THAT SONG>HE'S A VIRGIN KILLAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTS4V_YFBgY Main riff hits like a fuckin freight train
What do you guys think of this album? I'm always conflicted by it because while it has some really good material like the title track and Rage, it also has one very clear flop with Out on the Streets and a few other songs that just aren't on the same level as the highs.
DR. STEIN GROWS FUNNY CREATURESLETS THEM RUN INTO THE NIGHTTHEY BECOME GREAT ROCK MUSICIANSAND THEIR TIME IS RIGHT(still far better than Rise and Fall)
>>128000606>1986I’ll sing its praises till I’m dead.
why is /trad/ separate from /metal/
blasterinos
>>128007437Because /meal/ sucks ass
Witch - Seer https://youtu.be/3w9hAhS93qg?si=ktEDU4VBy8xdUwr8
>>128003324Pretty good debut desu
>>128007458Blasting some cirith before I go out to dinner
>>128009521Listening, I've put off Cirith Ungol for too long. It slaps. Sounds like a way angrier Rainbow to me.
>>128010778Their entire ‘80s run is incredible, check out Frost and Fire next
They can play their instruments really well, but the vocals are just not powerful enough for power/thrash. Songwriting is also quite hit and miss too, with nearly all of the choruses on this record just sounding bizarre or even unfinished; like there's a melody that should be there but isn't.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1759931578893400.webm
>>128007458Has been on my radar for a while but never gave it a shot, but now that I'm playing some classic shooters again it's time to bust out the thrash>>128012435Abhorrent actions. he better be okay
>>128012453>>Abhorrent actions. he better be okayno it's just a toy and the cat studied theater
>>128012483>it's just a toythat's what they all say
>>128007437grandpas need their own circlejerk kek
>>128012494because it's true https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1759968060493145.webm
>>128007458
Have a good night tradbroshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeXAMEqXC3Y
Listened to these four albums during work last night.Helloween was very good. Glenn Hughes was basically a continuation of Black Country Communion, also very good.Alice Cooper sounded like 70s Alice Cooper, very good. Best production of the four too.Volbeat was good, but the production was bad for being a 2025 album.>>128007437Death and black metal fucking sucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkD_-OGdMZk&list=PLFfJEoBwaLaLMCEaDMHu029Qs_W1xMIZv
bump
>>128015602Death metal is good
>>128007437/metal/ is so autistic that they probably wouldn't consider half this stuff metal
Is BOC /trad/?
>>128018327please tell me you do realize that >not metalis just shitposting and you didn't actually get bullied out of /metal/
>>128018373Yes>>128018385NTA but I made this general because of how much shitposting goes on in those threads. A little is all fine and good, but it gets to the point where it drowns out actual discussion that could be had; trad or not
https://youtu.be/93v0TVi26I8?t=83https://youtu.be/9HZ_tx8aWuA?t=240
>>128019492'sup negruhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP_sxy2VqwAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VogHImt8G9o
>>128019510Good evening, my heavy metal enthusiasts!Did you notice the similarity of those two riffs from my earlier post?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDdxwBNm9zUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEMaOp8qdg8Also these songs sound similar stylistically.
>>128015602>Death and black metal fucking sucks.ORBITAL TRVTHNUKE
>>128005136I don't get those "funny" Helloween songs. Wtf were they thinking. Tbh it would have been great if they would have rerecorded the whole Helloween EP with Kiske. But maybe he would have sounded weird on Starlight.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULyBqg-fyc8
>>128019529>Did you notice the similarity of those two riffs from my earlier post?I didn't, sorry. Now that I'm listening to the two side-by-side, they're similar but Running Wild's is faster and sounds cooler imo.>Silver MountainFuck, I think I actually have their debut album in my library. I'll go give it a shot and report back when I'm done
>>128003324I almost didn't recognize it because of the different cover.SIRENSSIRENSHUNGRY FOR COCK TONIGHTTbh the first 3 tracks are all I remember. Yeah I know, nothing worth mentioning, but you did ask what we thought of it.
>>128019590That's kind of where I stand, although I remember some riffs here and there from the B-side>SIRENS>SIRENS>HUNGRY FOR COCK TONIGHTlol'd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWfuqMvreiEI'm actually amazed this came out in 1984. It sounds badass and beats stuff long after it. Anything more like this? (80s power metal) I'm open to suggestions.
>>128019695>that opening riffThis song's fucking amazing. I don't know of an awful lot like this, but picrel might be what you're looking for
>>128019723Saved, thanks. And time to turn the trip off. No real point to it.
>>128019747I'd also recommend you check this album out too, I listened to it a while back and it's a real hidden gem of USPMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gdstWV873Q
Here's a question though. Metal peaked around 2008. Since then I haven't heard anything that amazing or groundbreaking. Up until then new genres and styles were being invented, with folk metal being the last. In the 80s the boundary was constantly being pushed, 90s and early 00s brought some gems. The difference between 1982 and 1986 in metal was huge. Since 2008 metal has been pretty ossified. In fact the "traditional metal" sound hasn't changed much since 1985. "Djent" doesn't have any appeal to me. What did I miss in the entire decade of the 2010s? And I don't mean individual albums, but major movements, innovation.
>>128019723This is actually pretty good. It convinced me with the first neoclassical lead. The riffing is chunky. And the rhythms have a proggy quality to them.
>>128019723Refreshing to find a Las Vegas metal band that isn't death or metalcore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6bDXDNoy2gThis is like comfort food to me. Good old 1981 heavy metal with chunky chuggy riffs.
>>128019836>What did I miss in the entire decade of the 2010s? And I don't mean individual albums, but major movements, innovation.In terms of trad? Nothing really, that ship's long since sailed. Though there are occasionally new bands that break through and make something semi-unique (never to the point of making something brand new however, you'd need to go to the REALLY out there genres in order to get something like that).
>>128019934Comfort food is late '70s Scorpions & Judas Priest desu, I can listen to anything from those albums at any time and just get a giant smile on my facehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5GgQCaGgmkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN59cDMRDZwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R0IAul4yIkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGaZ7RIF4AIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oESFvqpmukhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j26nzt9YfWohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJbqAi7eRekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7_MOyw1Gmk
>>128020013Good stuff. I don't know why Screaming For Vengeance is so praised, the previous late 70s-early 80s Priest beats it for me
>>128019695https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvcbhqAKx1Areminds me a bit of Omen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO7yEgpDWZM
Alright, here's one that was ahead of its time: Weapon (1980)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8di9L2TqmJM
>>128020041>I don't know why Screaming For Vengeance is so praised, the previous late 70s-early 80s Priest beats it for meThat's when the band was at their commercial peak, so it's the period that's looked back on the most fondly. And it's a shame, because that run from SwoD to Unleashed is where all of the real good shit ishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MQyI-JTkRMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaiW6FNgdRchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5HPyjhq3ao>>128020125This sounds like something from the mid-80s, holy shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yHTqpG9f6kWow, I had no idea Bradley Hall joined this band. Awesome!
>>128020346Meant to post here actually:https://youtu.be/9yHTqpG9f6k?t=226
>>128020358>that fucking solo
>>128020156>>128020013It seems you have a real liking for the "hard rockin'" songs, while I prefer the more speed metalish ones from Priest:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esDkLrZm0jUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15xlMohu9oshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXJtz1TgmIM
>>128020414Oh I didn't post those because they're more obvious hits lol. My favorite Priest song is Exciter. :P
>>128020423Ah, well mission accomplished then. I often overlook those songs.
Off of the top of my head, some of my favorite Priest songs are:ExciterDreamer Deceiver (two-way tie between Exciter, depends on mood honestly)SinnerDelivering the GoodsBeyond the Realms of DeathDiamonds & RustStarbreakerMetal MeltdownHeroes EndWhite Heat, Red HotSaints in HellDeceiverHell Bent for LeatherElectric EyeFreewheel BurningThe Sentinel
Throw in the live versions of Victim of Changes & Genocide too
>>128020484Tyrant is proto speed metalhttps://youtu.be/xyww5oVfOuc?t=15
>>128020509I'd sooner call it proto-power metal honestly, particularly the chorus and the vocal harmonies there
https://youtu.be/sImZRQV8Ynw?t=30This is solid heavy metal, no one can argue with that.
>>128020559Production sounds a bit processed for my tastes but the song outside of that is really good ('specially that part you timestamped, sexy lead playing right there)
>>128020603Rawer production has its charm but I think good production is just good production (plus this song is 23 years old), things should be clear so you can hear them, and guitars should have enough overdrive.
Does Blind Guardian mean a guardian that is blind, or a guardian of the blind?
>>128020717True. And I don't think it's outright "bad" mind you, I just prefer a rawer style like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rpVmUKFIwg
https://youtu.be/hvoStFJFTb8?t=58https://youtu.be/wsuj2uhGBvY?t=57Remember when Iron Maiden was a doom metal band? kek.
>>128020863Remember Tomorrow really isn't that doomy, has a few moments but sounds more psychedelicChildren of the Damned is just plain ol' heavy metal
>>128020926Both of those riffs sound to me like this. A sad, hopeless kind of sound.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyEUk1ZJLn4Maybe the Maiden songs are a bit too fast though.
>>128020954I hear the resemblance but the Maiden songs are much less heavy than Electric Funeral and prioritize a more "epic" atmosphere over anything doomy>are a bit too fast though.also this
Blind GuardianFalconerSymphony XHammerFallKai Hansen Helloween, Gamma RayRhapsodyRunning WildDemons & WizardsIced EarthBlack SabbathJudas PriestAcceptIron MaidenOmenHelstarHolocaustMetallicaDiamond HeadSilver MountainYngwie MalmsteenSatanWeapon
>>128021060Is this just meant to be bands you listened to recently?
>>128021075Bands I like
>>128021184It's missing Metal Church but otherwise you got good taste. Mine would be something likeJudas PriestScorpionsDeep PurpleRainbowBlack SabbathManilla RoadMetal ChurchFates WarningQueensrycheHelstarSepulturaSlayerLizzy BordenSaint Vitus
>>128020863>>128020926Remember Tomorrow is a heavy metal semi-ballad with ~classic rock influences, Children of the Damned is just plain heavy metal. Sabbath-like influence does not make something "doom metal", it's doom metal that was influenced by Sabbath rather than the other way round
>>128021333Explained it better than I did lol
>>128021333I was stretching the definition for humor but the Remember Tomorrow riff is pretty much the same notes as the Electric Funeral one
Started an album, am I the only one that thinks this guy sounds like a more melodic Mark Shelton?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAzTVJeFzaI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G9w9cb5p64https://youtu.be/RSSmwXy98IY?t=7
>>128021501I hear it. Also nice guitar sound. Good stuff!
>>128021591I'm on track 2 and this is some really good shit dude, the vocal harmonies in Beyond the Mountain's chorus are pure ear candy
https://youtu.be/qa3UOVsP6ro?t=557This guitar riff sounds like Crazy Train
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V87quS106N4How is this different from hair metal? Also damn that is a good guitar tone.
>>128022141>How is this different from hair metal? I've always thought it *is* a hair metal song. Aside from the rawer production (Crue's first album alone proves glam doesn't necessarily have to have a sugary production in order to be glam) it has all of the hallmarks.
If you like early Queensryche this is a must-listen, even if there's a few lesser songs the highs are still really fucking good
https://youtu.be/5pkoIfl_NWo?t=195
>>128022325>Lyrical themes: Christianity:\
>>128022352I don't pay attention to lyrics unless they're incredibly good or incredibly bad, I didn't hear anything that sounded like overly preachy nonsense (see, Recon's debut) while listening to it
What's the deal with Angel Dust and Rage? Never listened to those bands much. Also Rage - Trapped!'s album cover reminds me of Sarah Kerrigan.
>>128022390Angel Dust's first two records are kino, that debut is one of the best speed/thrash albums you can findNot familiar with Rage outside of their debut, but that album I remember being very good
>>128022383I started paying attention to Running Wild's lyrics more lately, and they're really good. Especially the lyrics to Treasure Island, everything is lifted from the book.
>>128022422Sounds pretty cool, maybe I'll pay more attention to them when I check out another RW record
>>128020539https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FGuHKMdzzsPriest's most power metal song, at least lyrically, imo. Just listen to those lyrics.Let me hear the battle cryCalling on the windLet me see the banners flyBefore the storm beginsLet me feel the spirits soarDestroy the enemyStriking at the evil coreFor all the world to seeThis day will last foreverDeep in the hearts of menCourage and victoryRemember, rememberOne Shot At GloryIn the crossfire overheadFate stands before meWords have all been saidOne Shot At GloryDriving hard and seeing redDestiny calls meOne night of fireOne Shot At GloryFighting on with dignityIn life and death we dealThe power and the majestyAmidst the blood and steelI still hear the battle cryThe call goes on and onI still see the banners flyThe battle's always won
>>128022454I fail to see how that song just isn't EUPM proper, it has every trademark of the genre that I can think of and (outside of the production) it sounds like it'd be on a Blind Guardian album
GO! DON'T BE LATEFIRST ONE OUT OF THE STARTING GATERUN! MAKE THE GRADESCHOOL'S A JOB, BUT YOU DON'T GET PAIDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhFi1ztNjDg
>>128022678Having a job is a million times worse than school. At least mine is. Also, that was a good music video.This video is also relatable:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GadSyHS6ow
>>128022454How come Priest successfully updated their sound with elements of thrash and Euro speed metal with Painkiller but then when they tried the same thing with AOR and glam metal with Turbo and Ram It Down it was mediocre, and then when they tried it with groove metal and nu-metal on the RIpper Owens albums it was a trainwreck?
>>128023120Painkiller was made with the sole purpose of being proving that JP weren't dead in the water and could still make good shitWhereas those other albums are chasing industry trends>but then when they tried the same thing with AOR and glam metal with Turbo and Ram It Down it was mediocreBy all intents and purposes, Turbo was a good idea. JP had plenty of rocking, glammy songs in their early '80s output but they fumbled by not making the songs on Turbo memorable. They're catchy, but outside of like 2 songs the entire record just goes by like a short gust of wind
>>128023176*of proving that
>>128023120>when they tried it with groove metal and nu-metal on the RIpper Owens albums it was a trainwreck?But it wasn't, it was dope.
Loved it. There's some filler but I don't really give a shit when the record's this funhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGaKybfReUM
>>128021060Check out Lost Horizon, bro.
>>128022454Saw them in June and so glad they played this. Really amazing setlist overall. Only songs I really missed were The Sentinel and Beyond the Realms of Death.
>use the most earsplitting falsetto on a quiet, reflective ballad>you can hear the audio tracks being switched throughout the fucking song
Listen to the first song, admire the incredibly raw guitar tone (it's like Let There Be Rock but on steroids) then disregard the resthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-CEI8JUUhw
Bookended by two of their greatest songs, the rest of the record's damn good tooShocked a band THIS fucking old made an album as solid as this, going to listen to the followup right now
>>128020761Considering they have a song with exactly the latter as the title (on Battalions of Fear), I assume it's that.
If any of you haven't listened to this yet, make this the next record you check out - it's almost King of the Dead tier
Goodnight tradbros, have some sexy swedish steelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPCke48fwlk
>>128021444While the notes themselves do sound similar, Electric Funeral is overall way more blues-y, has extra reverb, an overall heavier sound, and the tone shifts between somewhat ominous and more traditionally "rocking" for lack of a better word, while Remember Tomorrow is mostly melancholic-introspective with some more dynamic and even slightly epic parts>>128022141It is a glam (hair, whatever) metal song>>128023176Speed metal is good and compatible with Priest's sound (it's basically fast, high-pitched (especially in terms of vocals) heavy metal, and they've made fast songs in the past, with Halford's vocals being definitely suited for the style). I wouldn't call it thrash. I also don't remember Ram It Down being that glammy (or that bad) to be put in the same category as Turbo>>128022499It's heavy/speed metal. Maybe with a more epic feel, which might actually bring it closer to USPM. I don't think it sounds like Blind Guardian (of course it's not worlds apart either). Something about the general atmosphere/feel maybe, I can't put my finger on it, but it lacks the more... otherworldly? feel of EUPM
The screaming in this song always makes me laugh.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvfqw68nDH8
>>128000606What’s with the Turbo hate boner? It’s a better album than Somewhere in Time and I prefer it to Defenders of the Faith.
>>128028309>YOU'VE GOT THE KEY>THE KEY TO MY HEEAAAARTIf you're driving and listening to Locked In, as soon as that intro riff kicks in you're legally forced to put the pedal to the metal.
>>128019492Negru the Nigger Slayer! Good to see you again man!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckF95WdOyIohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w9uy4Ip5Zshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uESNlNqVqC0
>>128028309I don't think it's bad outside of a few songs but I'd be lying if I said it's as good as DotF. (Well, the A side anyways. Turbo Lover and DotF's B side may as well be identical to me in terms of quality.)
>>128031365
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev2H5gTqUt4Sovl
>>128031965The fuck is with that filter applied to the vocals? I'm listening to some of the first track and it sounds like the thing psych rock bands do
>>128032055I mean this seriously, have sex.
>>128032077Impossible task
I LIKE LETHAL. This guy went to Geoff Tate 80s school of singing and passed with an A++:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKKvWOhEA24
>>128032159You could say this was Geoff Tate and I'd believe you without questionReally good stuff right here
>>128032215Their other albums aren't as good unfortunately. The 'Programmed' album is awesome though. No bad songs, bit like Mindcrime and can tell it was a big influence on them.
>>128032257>Their other albums aren't as good unfortunately.Sucks, but at least they have a killer debut. I'll add it to my library and check it out soon.
>>128032277It's one of the best. Tom Mallicoat is the singer. Probably more of him on Youtube, but this is very Geoff Tate also:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZefGIcX2QNs
>>128032342This guy's vocals man. The song outside of them is still very good but that performance sells it.
>>128031965One of the most disappointing concerts I've seen was MSG with Robin McAuley on vocals. Robin McAuley still sings like a god, but they played ZERO songs from the McAuley Schenker Group era, which is my Schenker favourite albums.
>>128032392Yes, awesome singer. It weirded me out abit when I first saw the live stuff on Youtube. I was expecting him to look like Geoff Tate also lol.
>>128032393MSG was pretty good in Wacken this year. Not an expert on his stuff, but like the new singer also:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK2H_9AT5ss
>>128032437Fuck it, I'll just go listen to the album right now. Got nothing else to do today. :P
>>128032465It's a great album!Diggy Diggy Hole just came on my Youtube algorithm. Good song also lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEVjnOS92lA
>>128032503On the first song, it's incredible. The production is punchy, everything is audible, Tom's singing is on another level... I should've checked this out sooner. It's like the lost '80s Queensryche album.
>>128032534Yes, no bad songs at all on it I think. It's rare for any album to be like that. I first heard it from an anon on /meal/ well over a year or two ago. I wouldn't have known about it otherwise myself. Good 80s metal needs more exposure for sure. I'm of the opinion that some bad actors want only crap music for the masses, in order to 'dumb humanity down', cause they probably feel betrayed by the 'system' for liking grunge or something, and grunge died and 80s hair metal never did. That's my theory anyways lol.
