Chopin editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hNRLhmMNHoThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenprevious: >>128006729
Favorite Schumann chamber piece?
>>128018282I always get him confused with Schubert
>>128018282I don't listen to much Schumann at all but I've recently learned to play his first piece of the Gesange der Fruhe for piano and it's a sweet little piece, I might learn the rest of the opus later
>>128018282Ah, he's got so many. Violin sonatas, piano trios, string quartets, piano quartet and quintet, various cello pieces like the Fantasiestücke... anyway, favorite would have to be the piano quartet and quintet. Supreme masterpieces.Piano Quartethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt-KnX46yewPiano Quintethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qab8uZUMfRY
video I came across: My Disaster at the Chopin Competition: A Pianist’s Storyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQHWKQAphHE
Reminder that Bach and all major composers were Christian.
>>128018458Most of them were atheist. Bach was likely one as well.
>>128018458and how is that knowledge useful to us
>>128018458>>>/pol/
>>128018469Correct
List of Atheist Composers: John CagePhilip GlassUhmm Iannis Xenakis
>>128018488Uhmm is way too fucking underrated here
>>128018472But how does that affect you?
what would you say are the main aspects you focus on when listening to music?
I can't stop listening to Beethoven's piano sonatas, so good! Lately with a focus on the early ones (No. 16 and before). I should start leaning more heavily on the ones after that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqp1wMwU3yk
Essential Beethoven Piano Sonata cycles
>>128018507I'm just listening to enjoy. I guess sometimes I'm trying to keep up with the form.
>>128018526>fucking Levit but no Ohlsson or Goodyearwell at least you have Kempff and Gulda there
Any pianists have cheap electric keyboard recommendations?
Only worthwhile Beethoven cycles>Backhaus>Arrau>Gilels
>>128018543Ohlsson has a cycle? Didn't know. I recognize the craftsmanship and vitality of Goodyear's cycle but it's too fast, too virtuosic for me. I like my Beethoven with less aggression and power, more poetics and sensitivity. One could argue virtuosity, aggression, and power are essential to the true Beethoven spirit, a point I wholly respect, but it just doesn't sound good to me. Maybe someday I'll come around on it. I'm gonna give it a full listenthrough soon. Many critics agree with you on it though.
>>128018582retarded boomer>>128018589Ohlsson is to me the essential modern cycle. check out his No. 23.
They're not going to let this fatso win the Chopin competition I bet. It has to be some beautiful woman or a handsome man
>>128018526if you're a period instrument guy like me, listen for Ronald Brautigam's cycle
>>128018582Love Backhaus but I haven't heard his cycle in ages, and I recognize it's not for everyone, and in fact one could argue his positive traits have since been supplanted by more modern cycles. I'll have to revisit it before I truly decide.
>>128018627That's the cycle I give to someone I hate for Christmas. Teasing. I'm sure his is great if you're into that sound but I am not, sorry.
>>128018663Understandable. My logic is that it's what Beethoven would've heard. There may not be much of a difference, but I think there is.
>>128018684"heard" who am I kidding
>>128018684>beethoven>heard
Beethoven wasn't born deaf though.
>>128018684Meh, things like that don't factor into my thinking whatsoever, I just look for whatever sounds best to me, whichever satisfies the aesthetic traits I desire.
>>128018561Dear music lover,Looking for a budget-friendly electric keyboard? There are great options under $300 that offer solid sound and playability for pianists. Here are some recommendations and tips to guide your choice.The Yamaha PSR-E373 (~$200) is a fantastic 61-key keyboard with touch-sensitive keys, 622 voices (including quality piano tones), and features like a metronome, lesson mode, and USB MIDI connectivity. Its semi-weighted keys and built-in speakers make it ideal for beginners or casual players. It’s versatile, with 150+ accompaniment styles for jamming.The Casio CDP-S160 (~$250–$300) is a step up, with 88 weighted, hammer-action keys that feel closer to an acoustic piano. It has 10 tones, including a warm grand piano sound, and a slim, 24-lb design. With USB MIDI, headphone jack, and sustain pedal input (pedal not included), it’s perfect nigger for pianists wanting authenticity on a budget.For portability, the Alesis Recital (~$200) offers 88 semi-weighted, touch-sensitive keys, five voices, and a lesson mode. Its 20-watt speakers and USB MIDI make it great for practice or music production. At 15.7 lbs, it’s easy to move.For beginners, the RockJam RJ761 (~$120–$150) is a 61-key bundle with a stand, bench, pedal, and headphones. It has 100 voices and rhythms but non-weighted keys, best for casual use.Prioritize weighted keys for a piano-like feel if you’re serious about technique. Ensure touch sensitivity for dynamics and check for USB MIDI if you use music software. Bundles save money, and sales on Amazon or Sweetwater can lower costs. Used keyboards from Reverb or local shops are also worth exploring.The Casio CDP-S160 is my top pick for pianists, but all these options deliver value. Happy playing!Best,A pianist
Reminder BIABH
>>128018469Atheists are not known for their honesty.
>>128018892they're "known for honesty" much more than any religious leader ever has been that's for sure
>>128018913t. revisionist faggot
>>128018913no
>>128018941have you simply never read anything about anything at all or are you just baiting?
>>128018973I don't read democrap politricks
>>128018973You talk like a marxist, atheist scum.
>>128018797Thanks for the recommendations, going to play some at a local music store before pulling the trigger on anything.
>>128018986>>128018991>>>/pol/
>>128019000it's AI bro
>>128019000Looks like an AI response, I'd doublecheck the information before making a decision.
>>128019005>>Reddit
>>128018561This is the kind of question that reddit is better suited for, perhaps on /r/piano
>>128019006>>128019009Yeah it looked weird as fuck - I'm an idiot apparently
>>128019025Not at all. It's just a brave new world we're living in, a techno-hellscape which requires constant vigilance and a critical lens of everything.
>>128018913Exactly>>128019015Fuck off back there, yes.
now playingstart of Schubert: Symphony No. 8 in B Minor, D. 759 "Unfinished"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hh77j8zDpA&list=OLAK5uy_m8z32N2zVICTysuTRSC2HI11SSTCGwimU&index=1start of Schubert: Symphony No. 9 in C Major, D. 944 "Great"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bryZqI9Rz7I&list=OLAK5uy_m8z32N2zVICTysuTRSC2HI11SSTCGwimU&index=3https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m8z32N2zVICTysuTRSC2HI11SSTCGwimU
feeling like it's time to finally revisit Jochum's Bruckner, back to where I started.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp6Id777Hnk
>>128019035Yeah... it's a bit maddening to be around coworkers who sing the praises of AI all day long.
>>128019070Album cover looks like Lenny just got some devastating news while on the phone lol
>you DO listen to Beethoven's 9th Symphony at least once a week, r-r-right, anon? anon?? you DO, right!?
>>128019113Lol no, it's like my 5th favorite Beethoven symphony, and I listen to Beethoven symphonies like once a month.
>>128019171>Lol no, it's like my 5th favorite Beethoven symphony>hfw
>>128019038>lefty sissy faggotYWNBAW
>>128019190>religious crybaby bursts in tears>troons out of nowherekek
I'm listening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr1jfTy-c6Q
In the end, everything is ultimately all about Wagner. He is the prophet. The one who will guide us to salvation. This planet should turn into a giant place of worship, where everyone comes together dressed in togas to recite and celebrate "Wagner" around a bonfire. The world as Wagner envisioned, a world with merriment and joy. All people regardless of color, culture and race united in one spirit.
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-n0TLAk-28&list=RDD-n0TLAk-28&start_radio=1
>>128019460In this moment I am euphoric Wagnersister
>>128019460>>128019478>>128019521Praise W.
I can only masturbate thinking about Tannhäuser overture. I avoid listening due to overstimulation.
>>128018582Gilels doesn't even have all of them lmao
>>128020634Still essential tho
I asked my kitty who's her favorite pianist, and she purred in reply,>ARRAUW!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O6aBBFJ9xY
>>128020634The best a man can get
>>128020705It's not a cycle.
Does Karajan follow Mozart's repeats? I can't remember.
now playingstart of JS Bach: Partita no. 3 in A Minor, BWV 827https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0BykKOEKyo&list=OLAK5uy_lsdWcZ8MdDjangaO2NKOaNQZ-xc5Q1dUk&index=2start of JS Bach: Partita no. 1 in B-flat Major, BWV 825https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhT5Oy9pOLc&list=OLAK5uy_lsdWcZ8MdDjangaO2NKOaNQZ-xc5Q1dUk&index=9start of JS Bach: Partita no. 6 in E Minor, BWV 830https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4nAGum_x5E&list=OLAK5uy_lsdWcZ8MdDjangaO2NKOaNQZ-xc5Q1dUk&index=14https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lsdWcZ8MdDjangaO2NKOaNQZ-xc5Q1dUkAlways on the lookout for great recordings of these works, especially because there aren't many that scratch the itch. Sure, the popular idiomatic ones like Hewitt and Perahia and less well-known romantc ones like Maria Tipo and Irma Issakadze are pretty enjoyable, but I wish there were more like Koroliov's -- slow, contemplative, poetic. I guess I can't really complain because they are supposed to be dance-like. Anyway, let's see how Goode does it, I'm sure it'll be solid.
>>128019283People still use AAC?
I don't listen to any recordings from the 21st century because I'm afraid it's going to infect my taste with its spiritually inferior performance quality.
>>128020959That is a good practice. Not listening to any modernist performers, as in anyone born after 19th century is even more admirable.
Can't tell if having a different favorite performer/recording for each Beethoven piano sonata is based, excessively autistic, or even outright silly.
>>128020959Just admit you're too scared to listen to classical recordings that hasn't been pre-curated for you by the filtering vicissitudes of time.
>>128021228All 3 at the same time
>>128018619I hope Yanyan Bao or Kałduński win. But it's probably going to be Kevin Chen or Eric Lu.
>>128020959Only listening to composer's own recordings is the best form of purism
>>128021228none reallyit's mildly interesting at best and perfectly normal if he is your favorite composer
>>128018561Casiotone ct-s300 is okay but it doesn't have all 88 keys.
>>128021741Most composers weren't exceptional conductors and don't make the best recordings of their own works.
>>128020935I guess? I convert flac to opus, but sometimes the albums come to me as any other format and I dont care that much.
>>128022214This, but the exact opposite.Conductors who don't compose, pianists who can't improvise, aren't worth shit. You can clearly hear this from the golden age of recordings. All the expressiveness those composers brought is lost in time.
>>128022568>Conductors who don't compose, pianists who can't improvise, aren't worth shit.I agree, but the opposite isn't true. You can have great composers who are middling conductors. Think of Stravinsky.
>>128022624but he has the best recording of his own Rite of Spring
>>128022998No he doesn't...
watching the NFL on mute while listening to classical :)
>>128022998Would this technically be HIP?
>>128018440QRD?
>>128023809because of the recent Chopin competition
I LOVE the Andante/2nd movement from Beethoven's 5th, he must have been so happy to have composed it, a true stroke of geniushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDwylm2DZgs&list=OLAK5uy_lGBIeEzw-xZS9cytpIxmlrXZ4KlA7nkGw&index=18
>>128023823>Use coupon CHOPIN2025 for a 40% flash sale to ALL of my courses:grossjust seems irrelevant if you're not an actual pianist who would want to play in these competitions. it's not even about this year's competition. you don't have to share every video that you come across. thiss video was already recommended to me a bunch of times but i didn't click on it because i have other things that are more worthy of my time. by the way, when adults talk about waste of time, it has a more profound meaning, that life will be over before you know it so you should treat yourself and others with decency and respect.
>>128024359and I didn't even watch it myself! heheidk I saw some anons posting about the competition these last few days so felt like someone else might be interested, that's all
>>128018582no Gulda? no Kempff?
>>128024512yeah, he's goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9I3DBPGItc&list=OLAK5uy_nldn1GtPphb9PyIBpze9wkAJh9wA_lWJA&index=2
Took me a bit to realize the genius of Gulda's Beethoven. His cycle has the rare distinction of sounding amazing every sonata, every movement, every note, which many of the other great cycles can't even do. You put on any sonata from his and you're struck with 'damn, he pulls it off.'
Here to once again shill this new album
>>128021741Beethoven’s conducting of his 9th was so terrible that no one knew how great the work was until someone else conducted it after his death. He was deaf ofc
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJlxl8Dpbp0
>>128025220Anon the very first performance of the 9th was a famous success
>>128025265don't reply to trolls.
>>128023292yes he does, with the Columbia Symphony Orchestra. it's even is Stereo>>128023761I guess
>>128025198obligatory>George? Chopin was gay??post
>>128025340Unironically people do try to claim that although not because his lover's name was George.
>>128024086Listened to the 5th through the 7th from this cycle just now, and gotta say, this uber slow Beethoven doesn't do it for me anymore. Sorry, Barenboim.
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 23 in F Minor, Op. 57 "Appassionata"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvZUQHM2_Ds&list=PLwwzaMTPIDW9AOYshf5ZEaDTqfX4o0A65&index=45start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 3 in C Major, Op. 2 No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTmsBxFvLEg&list=PLwwzaMTPIDW9AOYshf5ZEaDTqfX4o0A65&index=48start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 25 in G Major, Op. 79 "Cuckoo"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2-pej7_yV8&list=PLwwzaMTPIDW9AOYshf5ZEaDTqfX4o0A65&index=52start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 27 in E Minor, Op. 90https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXj2AICuPRU&list=PLwwzaMTPIDW9AOYshf5ZEaDTqfX4o0A65&index=55start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 28 in A Major, Op. 101https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj4yGVajhYA&list=PLwwzaMTPIDW9AOYshf5ZEaDTqfX4o0A65&index=57https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lj_mxOV372__0dfMGW-WLBbfWOWEfJQKA
>>128025198It's not hard to find but you could at least post a link, anon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Kam-KJ_Ms&list=OLAK5uy_mlnnUCrDloqapfO3E5oGgrP2hC5HnlWnc&index=1
I intend to listen to every recording of Liszt's Annees de pelerinage, Harmonies poetiques et religieuses, and Sonata in B minor. Anyone else have any pieces and composers they feel the same way about?
Deviennehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plOA-5fzY-Y
>>128025340why was a woman named George in the first place
>>128026374idk, why am I named Jessica as a man? sometimes it just happens
Schiff doesn't have a recording of Bach's Art of Fugue? How embarrassing.
>>128026472more like Ard of Fugg.:DDD
>>128026515i wish, tonight all I'm getting is the Art of Tuggg
>>128026532never goon.
>>128026560lmao that filename wtf
>>128026374it's a pen name, not her real name
Relating to the topic the other thread, y'know what piece I've found is ironically awful for falling asleep to? Bach's Goldberg Variations. There's way too much going on, too beautiful, too vivacious. Maybe how it was originally performed on the harpsichord was different, given what it was written for, but yeah, whenever I've tried using it to sleep, I end up staying up and having to change to something else.
>>128026067>Bach's Christmas Oratorio, Goldberg Variations.>Cantigas de Santa Maria>All of Hildegard von Bingen
>>128026602>Goldberg Variations.for real? I was just thinking about this earlier in this context, except I was thinking about how there are way, way too many recordings of it. No one who isn't getting paid to listen to and review music could listen to even half of all of the well-produced recordings of it out there.
Going back to this
>>128026620Not in an exhaustive way, thats impossible as you say (almost all of the famous Bach works are like that). But I really enjoy listening to a lot of recordings of the same piece, and I have never attempted to reduce my digital collection to a subset of hand picked performers or recordings (a ver common mindset in this general).
>>128026686>But I really enjoy listening to a lot of recordings of the same piece, and I have never attempted to reduce my digital collection to a subset of hand picked performers or recordings (a ver common mindset in this general).My brother.>hey guys, tried any good Beethoven cycles lately?>schnabel schnabel schnabel>uh, yeah, nevermind
speaking of trying new Goldberg Variations recordings, tonight let's try Jeremy Denk'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu2h_aB0aIo&list=OLAK5uy_nHUdugP6HFfDNsZwO50H1nSr8jIEnh75s&index=1
>>128025198>anything recorded after the 1960sno thanks lel
Listening to Vivaldi.
Top 10 most mentioned composers on /mu/>Bach (probably inflated by other Bachs) 67K>Beethoven 61K>Mozart 56K>Wagner 30K>Chopin 19K>Mahler 15K>Brahms 14K>Debussy 14K>Schubert 12K>Stravinsky 12KMost composers don't make it past 10KNormalfags sure love talking about Bach without having listened to a single other baroque composer. Or Bach for that matter.
>>128028564https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%2Fm%2F03_f0,%2Fm%2F082db,%2Fm%2F04k15,%2Fm%2F02xp9,%2Fm%2F06c44&hl=encurious
WAGMI wagnerbros
Kałduński and Khrikuli styling on the asians.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTntMIwimXw&list=OLAK5uy_kk5hQNfa8RdELbhsa8dJ6XA_FwIyhOuR4&index=5
>>128029248>piano goats>piano gots?Lol>pachmannBased. But that barcarolle is incomplete. And it's the second time you're posting it kek
>>128029349ah yes i posted it when was an anon asking for every baracolle recording to decide which one is the best
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBK4FKR5QGQBesides Muti's set, what are some other good non-HIP sets of Mozart's last symphonies that observe the repeats?
>>128018282Piano quartet.
>>128028784Mozart is unironically underrated because he is so popular. People appreciate his work less because it is less "special", not realizing that he is special because everyone after him takes elements from him. Same story with Haydn but at least he is liked by contrarians.
>>128028784>>128028837Who the fuck just googles "mozart"?
>>128029466N
With the South Koreans advancing and currently performing in the Chopin Competition, let’s take a moment for some words of praise for my favorite Asians, the South Koreans. We have to give it to the 200 IQ South Korean who adopted Judeo-Masonic, Anglo liberal capitalism and 120%, balls-to-the-wall speed ran it to its logical conclusion in literally less than one generation:>0.00 birth rate>deranged feminism>income/wealth disparity>hyper-competitive society/upbringingStill, the based Korean turned his rice farm that wasn’t supposed to make it into the most impressive, admired, technologically-advanced Great Power in the world (I mean Great Power literally, as in IR theory, Korea is a cultural, economic, military Great Power with power projection). The South Korean Man marches on. I’m a big fan.
>>128029524competitions are for horses
>>128029524If only we had North Korean recordings, there have been orchestras, composers and performers from there but not one recording to my knowledge ever came out of the country.If they ever open up tourism again, I want to go on a tour with a performance of their national symphony orchestra just because I am genuinely curious what it sounds like. Would it sound like you just got transported into the mid-20th century? If so, that'd be awesome.
>>128028564>Taneyev 0.2Kngmi.
>>128028564Bruckner is under Stravinsky? Huh
Igor Levit's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29UqfzsLBi0&list=OLAK5uy_lzzDwhIVQgvT6z17nCI8DFxrhPtAuhRik&index=26
>>128029948Yeah... this is a 10/10
So I'm trying classical for the first time and besides some speed violin from Vivaldi, all the mainstream ones are just not that good. Classical is like elevator music. Do people unironically enjoy it or is it something whites say they like in order to have a culture?
>>128030149this just means you only like fast angry music like some teen
>>128030149No we're just faking it. You figured us out.
>>128030159Music has to be stimulating otherwise it's background noise.
>>128030211stimulate THIS*turns around and spreads asshole enough for you to see my prostate*
>>128030258
>>128029974t. Levit
>>128030277Try it.
>>128030337nohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkeiHYIBpGU&list=OLAK5uy_l_2TW2dhbfveOU5-j69rTMu2MwyfTcscM&index=26
>>128030385I love, love Arrau but the recording quality on this is unlistenable. I wish it were in better quality.
now playingstart of Bruckner: Symphony No. 8 in C Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_TO8YJB6zI&list=OLAK5uy_nCwDrTOdeZKlfj93Ub2PoehwNcFTVRxxk&index=2start of Bruckner: Symphony No. 9 in D Minor, WAB 109https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMeWKpsvAMw&list=OLAK5uy_nCwDrTOdeZKlfj93Ub2PoehwNcFTVRxxk&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nCwDrTOdeZKlfj93Ub2PoehwNcFTVRxxkCrazy Jochum has a 27:25 Adagio yet a 20:46 Finale in the 8th, you don't usually see that large of a disparate ratio.
When some anons here won't even give modern recordings a try, it does somewhat lead credence to the idea they are only into classical music as a mechanism of revolt against the modern world.
>>128030480arr sound same, it's like they all had the same teacher
>>128030534...? You might've had a stroke, anon, go see a doctor.
What's the best collection of Schubert Lieder? I only want the good stuff.
>>128030562That's really more of the kind of thing where you choose your preferred recording based on the quality of the vocalist.
>>128027079>he doesn’t listen to Glenn Gould’s Mozart or Beethoven ngmi
>>128030640>he listens to Gould
>>128030149It’s an acquired taste for most people who weren’t raised in a household that listens to it. Vivaldi is actually my favorite composer as well, if you like his violin stuff try Bach’s violin works.
>>128030640How is Gould's Beethoven anyway? Obviously his piano concertos with Bernstein are fantastic but I don't think I've ever heard his renditions of the sonatas.
>>128030618Any particular singers you could recommend?
>>128030655I listen to Gould playing Schoenberg
>>128030659Okay, will do.
>>128030663Actually my favorite Beethoven by him is his transcription of the 5th for piano. If you think that can’t be fantastic, then you’re in for a shock
>>128030640I've tried listening to Gould's Mozart and I could barely stand 20 seconds of it.
