Mozart editionhttps://youtu.be/zcgFRNviQxwThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenprevious: >>127990443
first for animu shostakovich :3
Aldwell's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYBNA2ZdD3k&list=OLAK5uy_kYANdgE0uovXwvr8F9_K8EHo4LXO1mCx4&index=47
>>128006052>Maltempo’s Liszt Rhapsodies: Very Close to Ideal
Does every minir western country has a clasical composer they push out of national pride?
>>128006800>FinlandSibelius>PolandChopin (not the only notable one but most popular by far)>NorwegiaGriegnot sure who else applies to this category
>>128005467>late Scriabin isn't really 'romantic'On the contrary, I would argue that late Scriabin, along with R. Strauss's Salome and Elektra, is the furthest point Romanticism goes. He remained fundamentally Romantic to his death. The last sonata he finished (the 8th, not the 10th) is the culmination of Romantic ideals: >elaborate, highly symmetrical one-movement sonata form>obsessive thematic transformation and cyclic unity >mystical, quasi-religious program behind the abstract music>harmony pushed to the very edge of tonality yet still expressive, not constructivist (Schoenberg)>strong symbolic link (8 = infinity, endless spirals of becoming)I think the following recording captures it best: beautiful and labyrinthine, and a great example of Scriabin's mastery of varied repetition:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAawLHi9ahk
Daily reminder that Telemann is criminally underrated.
>>128006836Latin american countries
in my country, this man is everything
>>128006853Doesn't cyclic unity refer to multi-movement works with shared motifs? Since 8th is single movement.And one thing I strongly disagree with is>harmony pushed to the very edge of tonalityI don't think anything past 4th sonata is tonal. Tonality is relative, and there's no sense of key to average listener, including me, in late Scriabin. This is one of the reasons I'd put Scriabin in modernist or post-romantic category. It doesn't really matter. What's the best 8th? Zhukov's is alright, I'm listening to it rn:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpCQcwXF1SA
This picture is my favorite of all composers. It's so elegant. Old master Liszt is glancing at us like a piano God
I saw a trailer for some kischy pop musical film (Kiss of the Spider Women) and it hit me, isn't this just Wagner, Verdi, and all opera in modern form? Why isn't stuff like that high art too?
>>128007116He looks like an old witch
>>128007116The master wizard from my childhood video games.
>>128007118Snobbery, plain and simple.
giving the Kempff mono Beethoven piano sonatas set another try. The one anon who replied last time saying mono for solo piano music isn't that big of a deal changed my mind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7hdy9LyJ-w&list=OLAK5uy_lS4atw9ssnghLeZxKW2qL_I_PsU_Mbqc0&index=71
>>128007118most musicals are barely about the music, they are usually just shitty pop songs in between badly written scenes.
>>128007118>isn't this just Wagner, Verdi, and all opera in modern form?Yeah, with bad music.
Is there a pop-musical version of Wagner's The Ring cycle? I don't mean "what's pop-musical's equivalent", I mean a literal transcription into pop-form of Wagner's work.
>>128007363god forbid
>>128007316The two words which most describe Kempff's style: patrician and poetic.
>>128007363Yes. Starring viggo mortensen
>Here we were not beaten into submission by glittering articulation, hysterical dynamic, fantastically exaggerated tempi and overt sexual prurience in costume but gently, modestly and quietly lured into a world of deep, uncompromising humanist meditation, philosophical reflection, blithe untroubled refinement, the occasional sensual indulgence of chromaticism and above all glorious sound. She appeared to be tuning our souls. One may observe that her legato, warmly pedaled, emotionally meaningful and reflective in Bach, takes one back to the heartfelt world of the great Myra Hess, but is none the less meaningful for that, perhaps even more meaningful on our violent planet. Real bombs were falling on London during her famous National Gallery recitals during World War II whilst mental bombs continue to fall on Warsaw...LOL who writes like this!? I guess if I had a job at Gramophone, I would too, but since I don't, I can complain
I just wanted to notify you guys that /ourguys/ in the XIX International Chopin Piano Competition are:>Mr. Piotr Alexewicz>Mr. Piotr Pawlak (Ignacy Jan Paderewski regen who said a prayer and crossed himself before his performance — based)
>>128007416I liked the first one immediately because his name reminds me of Piotr Anderszewski. Silly reason, I know, but hey that's how the brain works.
>>128007413cont.>Tone and touch were of prime importance to composers like Fryderyk Chopin, something Ewa Pobłocka would have been well aware of being one of the finest Chopin interpreters. One must also remember that Bach along with Mozart occupied the predominant place in the tiny pantheon of great composers that Chopin respected. In fact preparing for recitals, Chopin would not practise the repertoire he intended to perform but Preludes and Fugues from Bach's Das Wohltemperierte Klavier. The recital was in an oblique way a homage to Chopin without actually playing his music.based Chopin
>>128007413Why can't music journalists actually talk about what the music is instead of how it makes them feel? This is like that pamphlet that came with bruckner's 8th that hanslick made fun of
>>128007413>>128007433one more, sorry, the conclusion is actually pretty good,>In this numinous recital of Das Wohltemperierte Klavier one was convinced of Bach as essentially a religious composer, a profound humanist that emerges from his deepest psyche yet not from any formalized expression of belief in any specific creed, despite his devotion to the Lutheran faith. Such an extraordinary uplifting evening that managed to regenerate my faith in creative human nature in the face of the profoundly negative and threatening aspects of our times. Surely an experience given to few in concert halls today.Love it.
>>128007441Accessibility?
well tempered clavier? oh, you mean das wohltemperierte klavier by bach? hehein search of lost time? oh, you mean À la recherche du temps perdu by proust? hehe
>>128007382A History Of Violence?
>>128007416Pawlak and Kałduński are good picks if you hate modern overly technical competition style
>>128007468Speak English-we're in Australia
>>128007481I knew quite a bit of Aussies back when I played Runescape. Some were even good friends of mine, and some others were enemies, my 'opps' if you will. They were, without exception, total pricks.
Least favourite Bach piece?
>>128007424Piotr Pawlak is my GOAT and I’m especially rooting against Yehuda Prokopowicz>Yehuda>Long hair>Man bun>Hidden hand>Freemason>Freemasonic, postmodern, ‘60s schizobabbel where language has no meaning>“Music, like, helps me create space, man. The songs are colorful, man.”
>>128007506All of the male solo recitatives in his cantatas and passions.
>>128007506The menuet last movement of Brandenburg 1.
>>128007515>Yehuda Prokopovich was born on 16 November 2005.>The pianist is the winner of more than 30 national and international competitions, in addition to being a multiple winner in the 'ProKosz Piano Duo', which he co-founded with Erik Koszela.>2005sigh what am I doing with my life
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 1 in C Major, Op. 15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvoXCO9bhj8&list=OLAK5uy_m3IkVWAb8LJD80ipPg1xWCYDfiIQWoLrI&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11rDP5lWGHY&list=OLAK5uy_m3IkVWAb8LJD80ipPg1xWCYDfiIQWoLrI&index=5start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 37https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htqcCjD24Zw&list=OLAK5uy_m3IkVWAb8LJD80ipPg1xWCYDfiIQWoLrI&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m3IkVWAb8LJD80ipPg1xWCYDfiIQWoLrIOne of the essential sets for these works. A must-have in any collection.
>>128007515Pawlak was more fun than Yehuda's more conventional performanceI think the Euros won't win with being conventional because the Asians have them beat on that front with superior technique. they need big personalities with expressive styles like Kałduński or Khrikali
I have poor musical memory. Am I doomed to never being able to fully appreciate classical music forever? I can almost never recognize when a theme repeats, much less when it gets modified, developed, and recapitulated.
>>128007739Don't worry, it's normal to feel dumb after being subjected to pop slop. Besides, most classical takes repeated listenings to click for most of us. So give it a time, you'll be fine.
>>128007363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKsroORVBBQ
>>128007472Captain fantastic
>>128007118Opera in modern form is opera in modern form.
This album is magnificent, highly recommended for Chopin fans
>>128007468You sound like that guy on the classical radio station in GTA III“That summer I spent reading Proust in the original Italian”
>>128007668I have this album in Apple Classical and I love it. Actually I have been in love with Beethoven’s Piano Concertos ever since my dad got me a CD collection of them for my birthday as a kid but apple classical introduced me to this particular recording because it’s the editor’s choice
>>128008057>Choppin was a poofterdisregarded.
>>128008106“Lover” didn’t imply anything sexual then, it was actually normal for men to share a bed even nude without sex being involved.
>>128008135Come on now, they certainly played Hide The Sausage.
>>128008151The cigar, maybe
>>128007739Sometimes it can be due to the lack of repeats being observed. Some works (Especially those of Mozart) can get absolutely gutted in length due to that, even on recordings I like.First recording observes the repeat, the other does nothttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cyGOXbxIw0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmd5iNDOXOQ6 minutes is not a small difference, and the repeat sign is what marks the end of the exposition in the score. Not observing it can muddy the form on the first listen.It also might be that you're just focusing on the wrong things, I can see a novice who just got sonata form explained to him thinking the opening adagio is a part of the exposition and then get confused when the material from that opening adagio is barely elaborated on in a lot of classical-period pieces.
He needs to win, bros. I want to buy the Deutsche Grammophon vinyls.
Bach
favorite Beethoven Sonata No. 32 recording?sadly Gilels never recorded it, how's Richter's?
>>128008135Normal for gay men yes
>>128008354god i hate it when performers put their stupid faces on the cover, >>128008135>>128008374"George Sand" was a woman retards.
>>128008384>god i hate it when performers put their stupid faces on the cover,oh yeah i meant to continue that(cont.) the only time i'm okay with it is when it's either somewhat stylized and/or during the performance, pic related is an example of it done right.
>people still think George Sand was a dude
>>128008080>Applestopped reading there
which composer do you think slept with the most underage girls throughout their lifetime?
>>128008371A masterpiece like Op. 111 shouldn't be reduced to just one interpretation, a Beethoven fan should have many favorites of it. That said, here's two of my favorites.Ugorskajahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frpa0t-4TKc&list=OLAK5uy_mPJ8NSFHLxnLjEymx2FHMjVmOExKFFygk&index=5Arrauhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5UbLXFy0Kg&list=OLAK5uy_kKxwQMv8---_6e8QbV8JbVmXMauk76NPw&index=1
>>128008057I'll peep, thanks. o wtf, why is it in mixed order? That on purpose? Hmm. Could be interesting...
>>128008524Liszt.
>>128008080Sick digits. And glad to hear someone else here loves it! Great father you have.
>>128008524Bruckner would have, if they let him, poor Bruckner, he deserved better.
>>128008562He wouldn't have slept with the most underage girls, even if he got what he wanted, he'd stay loyal to the one underage girl he'd marry (Then the girl would probably cuck him once he dies because Brucky is always down on his luck :c).
>>128008580yeah true, which makes it even sadder.
>>128008524probably Liszt, but i've heard Scriabin liked them young.
>>128008599>but i've heard Scriabin liked them young.That was just for the occult sex magick aspect of it.
>>128008562>>128008580>>128008587Now I know why Bruckner is so liked here, he is literally the average /classical/poster in every possible regard.
>>128008528Anything can be and should be reduced to a single interpretation if that's what the listener wishes. Life is too short.
>>128006836Brazil: Villa-LobosHungary: BartókThere are any others?
Best recording of the Mozart piano sonatas?
>>128008636Depends how you like them performed. Try Uchida and Maria Joao Pires.
>>128008627i strive to be like him, in fact i go up to every teen girl in public and propose to them in the hopes that one day there will be that one that will say yes.
>>128008630>Life is too short.But it's not like there's a crazy amount of classical music to listen to and explore, it's not like Rock/Pop. Instead what the genre offers is diverse multitudes of interpretation, which allows multiple facets of these great works and masterpieces to be brought to life.
>>128008371i'd love to hear more opinions>>128008528i love the Arrau one>>128008676>it's not like Rock/Popi mean, there are covers of songs in rock and pop
>>128008698>i mean, there are covers of songs in rock and popRight, there is so much great music in those genres to keep one occupied that exploring covers is never really necessary, that's my point.
>>128008676A single Beethoven quartet or sonata has more music and effort packed in it than any genre of popular music. You don't have to search for different recordings if you don't want to, and instead keep exploring the piece with the same recording.
>>128008709>there is so much great music in those genreseh
Never got why people are so anal about mozart vs bach, as if Mozart didn't heavily appreciate bach and Bach wouldn't like the works of Mozart
>>128008698>i love the Arrau oneHappy to hear :) If you want a few more,Brendelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyLHzBW331c&list=OLAK5uy_lQHWPDlAVMOQk7SH19Vv7VLRfxaUjOilI&index=8Levithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFqhYcZZY9s&list=OLAK5uy_nEuDnoVXeKKtQu3GL0hOVgE_zRlftFDpY&index=101Guldahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR3QoLtWrRs&list=OLAK5uy_m_afPa6Mlu26qm3BjKrYKKDCFhkrLRxAo&index=99
>>128008732which Bach? JS, JC, CPE?
>>128008715Obviously. One can do whatever they want. But to say there isn't enough time is silly is all.>>128008719For a fan of that kind of music...
now playingstart of Sibelius: Symphony No. 4 in A Minor, Op. 63https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTt8BVwCWPU&list=OLAK5uy_nPTpkD8s0H6QXHmG8AtvI_4ddiL1Lb1yk&index=2start of Sibelius: Symphony No. 5 in E-Flat Major, Op. 82https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_kT823mnRI&list=OLAK5uy_nPTpkD8s0H6QXHmG8AtvI_4ddiL1Lb1yk&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nPTpkD8s0H6QXHmG8AtvI_4ddiL1Lb1yk
>>128008354>>128008384he's a bit of a brad pitt/ryan gosling hottie though (no homo)
>>128008741>But to say there isn't enough time is silly is all.It isn't. If all you do is listen to music, then maybe yes.
>>128008737WF
>>128008769Outjerked
>>128008732>mozartwhich Mozart? Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart or Franz Xaver Wolfgang Mozart?
>>128008764He does look like Gosling. But Brad Pitt is the only real hottie here (homo)
>>128008354>>128008764>>128008839>Listening to recordings based on how much of a boner the (male) performer gives you...Mozarthttps://youtu.be/rEhkqUh7ksg
>>128008384*Identfied as a woman ftfy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yWEy7cy7tw
Mahler 1st's 3rd mov always reminded me of a French song I used to listen in my childhood, but I couldn't tell if that was really it, so I asked an AI now, I was right. Apparently it's Frere Jacques, a French folk song, but in D minor instead of major. It's so cool. In fact I knew this melody could be played in canon and I was toying around on my piano with that melody a couple months ago.
>>128008163In defence of ignoring repeats, sometimes the music is made a lot worse if they're followed. With Mozart it's usually fine, but a Pastoral Symphony with repeats is an awful idea.
Best recording of the pastoral symphony?
>>128009511What's wrong with repeats in the pastoral symphony? It's one of Beethoven's most lovely expositions, I see no issue with repeating it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi7Cw9EFBGU
>>128008384>>128008384>>128008410>>128008764>>128008869Chill out guys, you never give this reaction when the cover has an old ugly mate, whats going on lol
>>128009552Günter Wand
>>128009552Szell
>>128009561/classical/ a.k.a. /homoerotic/
>>128008636i beg of you to ignore the previous reply to you those two suck assfor the regular sonatas I recommend Orli Shaham and for the four hands sonatas I recommend Misha and Cipa Dichter
>>128007116>This picture is my favorite of all composers.This is mine. Wagner looks so cool with his hat on.
>>128009511no truly good music is ever made worse by adhering to the score
>>128009607Or maybe this one. Wagner looks like a good father.
>>128009609Generally, repeats are an intended part of the score. I think they should just be observed every single time.
>>128009617On third thought, I believe this to be my favourite Wagner photo. His eyes look so intelligent and alive.
>>128008646>>128009602Whom should I trust... maybe the better question is what should I look for in a good Mozart sonata recording?
>>128009559Because the programmatic unity is so important in the Pastoral, it should proceed directly from one movement to the next, without the artificiality (no derogation intended) of the form getting the upper hand.
>>128009635you should trust ME because I am the BEST
>>128009607>>128009617>>128009629Besides Liszt, this is another one of my favorites. Brahms looks enigmatic here.
>>128009552Bernstein/Vienna
>>128009552Chailly
>>128009403I thought everyone would've recognized Frere Jacques in there but yes the AI is right
POST>Your age>Your favorite composer23Bruckner
>>128009735>datamining
>>12800973599brian wilsonhehe now your datamining operation is skewed
Maybe it's because my favorite passion is literature despite loving music quite a bit, but does anyone else not give one single fuck of an iota about the personal lives of composers and musicians? Perhaps as a cool little anecdote or trivia, but otherwise completely uninterested. Music isn't an artform where the artist is trying to share their worldview their philosophy, their metaphysics, so why would I care like I do about the lives of writers and poets?
>>12800973510Chopin, of course!
>>128009655imo he looks depressed.
>>128009816careful, you might get got...
Ophélie Gaillard's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKRpOHzssMw&list=OLAK5uy_lBE-ikdT1ouev9Udl4kS25CwASW9weJYg&index=1
>>128008384>tfw you misgender Chopin’s lover
>>128010031Lol
>>128008503>using Spotify for classical music
>>128008354>Bachham
After sampling the recordings I have decided that I like Uchida's Mozart best.
>>128009887>barefoot>plays a celloHeh, She likes it big.
>>128010553we'll have fun being GAY
>>128008655>>128008580>>128008562why are you guys into underage girls
>>128011193Why is fertile even considered underage? Bruckner was right.
THE NINTH
>>128011373
you guys joke but the ninth really is that good
>>128011472It's a Hurwitz meme
>>128011492wait, really? no way
>>128011502I can't tell if you're being sarcastic here, but yes.
>>128011510I was being sarcastic but after seeing him shirtless just now I wish I hadn't been
>>128011525
>>128011566
What do you guys think of Rodion Shchedrin works? He died almost a year ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvOT8QNfj5Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnX9bWf7vOI
>>128010045>implying those are the only two optionsactually, i steal it.
>>128011472Yes but whose ninth ;)The answer: all of them.
>>128008636Gieseking, ignore everyone else.
>>128008636Try Ingrid Haebler. She's great. Maria João Pires is also great.
>>128011330it's about the mind, not the body
essential Beethoven piano sonata cycles
>>128010045a lot of anons seem to use youtube music which is based. people say that spotify has noticeably lower sound quality on even the highest quality setting whereas even the 128kbps opus of the free tier of youtube music sounds about as good as lossless.
>>128006729>no /classical/ thread subject>avatarfagging in the opdogshit thread
>when its time for the daily reminder
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>>128012751pls anon no, let me enjoy beethoven in peace
>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies>>128012770NGMI, but it also depends upon which Beethoven
>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>Your Romanticism>My Foot>Your Classicism>My FistI will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
>>128012809>BABIAA-anon's face when Stravinsky was born almost 20 years before Shostakovich
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and ProkofievThat is all>>>128012832>mfw anon is just as retarded and autistic and didn't even read the post.
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms>No Perotin or Medieval Music
Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shitBelow is a list of acceptable Romantics:FieldChabrierFranckTarregaWagner*Any of the Russian 5GriegAlkanLate Beethoven
NO MOZARTNO CHOPINNO MAHLERALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIETHIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!SONATA FORM SHOULD DIEONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEATWHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITEBACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER
>mfw listening to French Baroque, and anything French classical relatedI'm eating good tonight boys! Ferey's Elemens is spinning right now, while Machaut and Chabrier are up next
Y'know, I spoke too soon about this set the other day. I've listened to both books since and wow, this is spiritual, feminine Bach of the highest order. Highly recommended for fans of the WTC and solo piano music in general.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO6hFGr17sI&list=OLAK5uy_nc0XlUPt8fEMQlwKIAM31XqL2YKTJNt5g&index=17One of my new favorites. Ewa Poblocka, on a Shigeru Kawai.
>>128012858>>mfw anon is just as retarded and autistic and didn't even read the post.I'm saying Shostakovich comes after both Stravinsky and Ives!
>>128013023That doesn't mean he's good, Ives and Stravinsky are healthy modernism, Shostakovich is not
>>128013042Hey, you're the one saying IAA, I'm just super sayin'
>>128013048I've pretty clear so far, IAA strictly means 1874-1945 with some exceptions, get what I'm super sayin?:)
>>128012014He died this year, a few months ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDQxIrsASbM
You know whose music sounds really good in hiss form? Prokofiev. All of the dissonance gets smoothed out, and gets given this old-timey, almost surreal effect. Love it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUDPbv-CmxYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38ClQXbDCKYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVX02qjPUnghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jh5hRL7U6A
>>128012832his greentext is unironic, he listens to bach and not mozart etc. he likes stravinsky.
>>128013084>1945>Dmitri Shostakovich's Symphony No. 7 in C major, Op. 60, nicknamed the Leningrad Symphony, was begun in Leningrad, completed in the city of Samara (then known as Kuybyshev) in December 1941, and premiered in that city on March 5, 1942. At first dedicated to Lenin, it was eventually submitted in honor of the besieged city of Leningrad, where it was first played under dire circumstances on August 9, 1942, nearly a year into the siege by German forces.[1][2]:|>>128013099I'm just yankin' his chain and having some banter.
>>1280130991200-1750 1874-1945 All day everyday baby
>>128013105>exceptions>doesn't know how anti-neurotic I am
now playingstart of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 6 in A Major, Op. 82https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw3IeWXiw7c&list=OLAK5uy_mGv25MxSJ11k156eN6a6qaZkxK9jxXeZo&index=14start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 7 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EHalh9IquQ&list=OLAK5uy_mGv25MxSJ11k156eN6a6qaZkxK9jxXeZo&index=18start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 8 in B-Flat Major, Op. 84https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4STo4EhnXA&list=OLAK5uy_mGv25MxSJ11k156eN6a6qaZkxK9jxXeZo&index=21start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 9 in C Major, Op. 103https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjh3N5Q09bw&list=OLAK5uy_mGv25MxSJ11k156eN6a6qaZkxK9jxXeZo&index=23https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mGv25MxSJ11k156eN6a6qaZkxK9jxXeZo
>>128013142Paul Mccartney is bigger.
>>128012645I download in flac, convert to opus and delete the flac.
In 1685 God wanted more music, so Giuseppe Domenico Scarlatti, George Frideric Handel, and Johann Sebastian Bach were each born.
AI Prompt: produce me recordings of solo cello suites as if composed by Beethoven and performed by Rostropovich
>>128013399is Opus better than MP3? i've been downloading Flac and converting to 320kbps
>>128013673if God wanted more music by 1685 why did He birth people who needed to grow for a few years before writing any instead of instantaneously producing new music Himself?
>>128012276You must not listen to as much music or constantly want to compare different recordings because stealing is way too time consuming for that>>128012645YouTube music sucks compared to Apple Classical. Apple Classical has a much larger selection and the way they curate it is fantastic, plus spatial audio is the shit with airpods.
>>128013922i sample recordings on youtube before deciding which one to download.
>>128013933That’s way too much work especially if I am out of the house. And that would take up way too much space on my phone
>>1280139561 TB sd cards are pretty cheap these days, but i don't have a smart phone, so streaming has no use for me, i use a cheap flip phone POS for calls and a hiby m300 for music.
>>128013859God works through us, anon.
>>128013922>YouTube music sucks compared to Apple Classical. Apple Classical has a much larger selection and the way they curate it is fantastic, plus spatial audio is the shit with airpods.NTAObviously I don't have Apple Classical to compare, but it's not that often I find YouTube Music is lacking a recording I'm interested in. Maybe... 1/40? 1/50? And it certainly has every new recording I look for.
>>128014056does He have to?
How's Haitink's Beethoven?
spotify has like every relevant recording nowadays
>>128014113probably like Haitink's everything else (boring as fuck)
>>128014120I briefly used Spotify for classical before I settled on YouTube Music, and I'm 90% certain all of the big streaming services all have the same classical library.
>>128014135I've been listening to his Shostakovich lately and it's made me a believer again. I know, I know, in a week when I revisit something else of his, I'm sure I'll be going,>Man, how did I get tricked into this snoozefest again...But for now, I've got faith.
i guess so long as you turn the mono recordings very loud, it's roughly the same as stereo
Anyone know of any distinctive, unidiomatic recordings of Brahms' late piano works? Seems there's really only one way of playing them, and at most the tempo variance between, say, Katchen at the faster end and Paul Lewis at the slower end is only like ~15% so a bit of a difference, enough to change some of the emotional tone of the piece, but not significantly. Anyway, would be cool to hear a performance that does. Anyone know of any?
Here we are, again
>>128015217Neat, I'll check that out too.
tonight I will be falling asleep to<----https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfw53mlXUzI&list=OLAK5uy_kKhStC5VHnduG-u_YT19CJ6I6ZzHzBVxA&index=1
>>128015259murdering you would also have the same effect as filtering your posts.
>>128016112meant for: >>128014192
>>128008634>>128006836>>128006800Portugal has Carlos Seixas, although nobody even in Portugal knows who he is, which is a shame, because he has genuine quality ;_;Truth be told, we mostly talk only about Scarlatti and consider him one of our own... ;_;
>>128007038>Doesn't cyclic unity refer to multi-movement works with shared motifs?True, it originally meant that, but by the time of Liszt's sonata (and later Scriabin) it evolved into the idea of self-referential thematic recurrence and transformation within any large structure.>I don't think anything past 4th sonata is tonal. Tonality is relative, and there's no sense of key to average listener, including me, in late Scriabin.I suppose you're technically more correct than I am. I'd argue he transcends tonality rather than abandons it. It's still functionally expressive, even if it's not diatonically grounded. Sort of like Tristan during its long wandering, although that eventually resolves.I'd still call it at the edge of tonality because it keeps a palpable sense of tension and release, even though it doesn't rely on tonic-dominant relationships. Even the mystic chord fields have hierarchies (pitches of rest and of drive). That's why it still sounds like it's moving toward something, unlike purely atonal or constructivist music.You *can* sense the "home" pitch in late Scriabin if you listen closely. It's obviously not about keys anymore, more about gravity. It's tonal in spirit, I think. But you're probably more right if you call it post-tonal and post-Romantic.>What's the best 8th?I think it's the one I posted. It leans more into the subdued, nocturnal atmosphere than most.
>>128013759*produces shit*
>>128011510bottom is like a hentai panel
Whats some chamber music from the past 40 or 50 years that rememberers the importance of melody and harmony and isn't just music for academics?
>>128016654Just keep listening to the romantic and classical chamber music and don't bother with the nu shite.
>>128016663are you saying such music doesn’t exist, or does it exist but you don’t want me to find it for some reason?
>>128016678Former.
>>128016442This is a nofap general, never goon
>>128016889This is a Christian general
>>128012751>>128012768>>128012793>>128012809>>128012824
>>128012841>>128012858>>128012863>>128012877>>128012894
>>128017008/classical/ is an ethical socialist general.
>>128017051>ethical >socialistPick one
>>128017051never goon always coom
I have been listening to Lohengrin obsessively these last few weeks, it is making me experience reveries. I unconsciously find myself humming the aria, it is as if the music has absorbed me inside itself, this "dreamy", "satisfying", "thirst-quenching" sequence - https://youtu.be/gcfxxtl4KLw?si=pm7xEKbzVJqFsdHG&t=421 Wagner has hypnotized me. He has made an asexual withdrawn man pregnant with happiness.
>>128017058read Spengler, retard.
>>128017059how the fuck do you even live with yourself?
>>128014067Apple Classical is ideal because it allows you discover recordings and works you aren’t aware of, and it does it by curation rather than algorithm.
>>128017141This btw isn’t the case with Apple Music generally, just the Apple Classical app but that comes with Apple Music. Your library includes not just pieces but also a library of artists and composers. You can sort by most popular works, then with that work it shows the most popular recording plus the editor’s choice of the best recording
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgc3zxsgy3I
>>128017051>>128017008Same thing. Jesus was a Socialist.
Wagner is god.
Did you guys know that Wagner is literally god? Just making sure is all.
>>128017284in the beginning there was the Rheingold prelude and the Rheingold prelude was with Wagner.All things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjkjF9OfMe0
Incase you are somehow confused or your judgement misplaced, Wagner created this reality.Wagner created form.Wagner created shapes. Wagner created the first strings.Wagner created the waves.Wagner created sound.Wagner created light.Wagner created matter.
>>128017304yes of course, but how did he do it?
>>128017311>what>when>who>how>whyWagner. https://youtu.be/1knc1q0andQ?si=7F72qOzqXSQGxifr&t=86
>>128017100>Read my heckin Jewish book to find out why socialism will totally work this time for real, pinky promise. No thanks kid
>>128017338why did your carer decide to give you access to a computer today? PS: you also have to be over 18 years old to post on this website.
Yanyan Bao was good today at the Chopin comp.
>>128017008Incorrect. /classical/ is officially an atheist general. Honorary pagan and anti-christian.
>>128017367are you sure? it looks like she has downs syndrome.
>>128017376No those kind of people are unwelcome and have simply wandered in by mistake
>>128017284Reddit
>>128017398what the fuck is "Reddit"?
>>128017391Yes, christians are definitely unwelcome,but that goes without saying.
>>128017407>But lenough about youYeah ...good one my guy
>>128017447kill yourself. Abrahamic religions are a cancer upon Europe. They always have been and they always will be.
>>128017447Nice selfie, maybe post it on >>>/soc/ instead?
>kill yourself. Abrahamic religions are a cancer upon Europe. They always have been and they always will be.
>>128017504Nice selfie, maybe post it on >>>/soc/ instead?
>>128017480>hurr duur dat's actually youYeah...good one my guy
>>128017504ok, Miguel.
>>128017509Thank you imbecile
>>128017504Christianity was the original Black Lives Matter.
>>128017529The original social marxism
>>128017461What do you think was less degenerate-Europe when it was all Christian or Europe today when it's majority Atheist?
>>128017570>muh correlation is causation!Typical christurd IQ. If today Europe is majority atheist, then upper class was majority atheist at the peak of European culture, mid 19th - early 20th century. Lower class never produced anything.
What are the main base aesthetic sensibilities that sets the western art music periods apart exactly? I can recognize the differences in the music theory stuff like less focus on counterpoint during the romantic period for example, but how would you describe the artistic zeitgeists of the different time periods. I've read a movie critic talk about how german expressionism(in movies) is very "romantic" and couldn't really comprehend what he meant by that exactly.
>>128017589Cope
>>128017647fuck off, retard.
>>128017647It's just the kind of thing you learn by going through the art, anon.
>>128017689I've listened to a ton of classical music, but I never really read anything about it's history
>>128017658Christianity is a slave morality religion designed to exploit the naive and gullible. Christianity is disgusting third-worldist propaganda and anyone found trying to convert Europeans to it should be shot on sight.
>>128017693It's just a really broad question. Just check out the wikipedia articles for the various periods; baroque, classical, romantic, modernism, postmodernism.
>>128017663Get help.
>>128017701>Muh edgy Nietzschean opinion, handed down to me by Freemasons who surely have my best interest at heartIt’s not and they don’t. Someday, you’ll learn.
>>128017663Anons here are frightened by real questions that they can't answer with a pithy meme
>>128017701I'm sorry bro buyt you should have just said you were a delusional larper up front though
>>128017781>>128017810Nietzsche was right. cry about it you fucking nigger.
>>128017647>is very "romantic" and couldn't really comprehend what he meant by that exactly.Listen to Mozart. Okay, now listen to Beethoven. Okay, now listen to Brahms.The classical era was all about order, rules, precision, as scientific advancements and philosophical thinking in the Age of Enlightenment. Also of note is its simplistic aesthetic (compare to the grand excess of Baroque).Then romanticism came along once people realized "oh shit we're humans" and restored the primacy of passion, intuition, subjectivity, and the individual.Look at the poetry of Alexander Pope. Then look at the poetry of Byron or Shelley or Keats. That's the classical era versus romanticism in a nutshell.
>>128017647Also, isn't this kinda what >>>/his/ was made for?
>>128017658With what? Lmao
>>128017853>Then romanticism came along once people realized "oh shit we're humans" and restored the primacy of passionThat's the pop culture way of looking at it. Romanticism is the logical conclusion of classicism, but with sophisticated harmony and form.
>>128017914>but with sophisticated harmony and form.Because they were willing to rewrite the rules and try new things. That's the what, I was explaining the why.
>be me>hmm I feel like listening to all of Bach's cello suites>want the full context, so start from the 1st prelude>listen through the 2nd or maybe even 3rd>meh let's listen to something else now>next day, repeat>never get around to listening to the 4th, 5th, or 6th except on rare occasionsanyone else know this feel?
>>128017925>putting words into one's mouth to seem win some stupid debate on a mongolian basket weaving forumKek. christurds once again totally embarrass themselves. Fuck outta my generalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bct9ByuFHx0
time for puccini
now playingstart of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 4 in C Minor, Op. 18 No. 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KASPKJD5bI&list=OLAK5uy_mgKK2-gPFg6yc6rFHtm37s6HyaUtSfE3Y&index=14start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 5 in A Major, Op. 18 No. 5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h1Wp6-6BWg&list=OLAK5uy_mgKK2-gPFg6yc6rFHtm37s6HyaUtSfE3Y&index=18start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 6 in B-Flat Major, Op. 18 No. 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHXyxo_PjdQ&list=OLAK5uy_mgKK2-gPFg6yc6rFHtm37s6HyaUtSfE3Y&index=21https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mgKK2-gPFg6yc6rFHtm37s6HyaUtSfE3Y
>>128017831>Nietzsche was right.You have to be 18 years old to post here
Damn, I've become the sisterposter, spending almost all of my classical listening time on the same handful of composers.
>>128017831>>128017925BTFO
>>128018003So what are you doing here?
Schoenberg is the GOAT
>>128018040Much like Stravinsky, lacks quantity.
>>128018043Quality > quantity
>>128018043There are a brazillion Schubert Lieder, yet everyone only listens to the same couple of dozen.
>>128018046Yes, but some composers have both is my point.>>128018050That's quality and quantity!
5 out of my top 10 composers are jewish. I am not jewish. Will I be spared when the moshiach comes?
stravinsky edition next pls or im not posting
>>128018086>>128018086>>128018086Novy
>>128018087Anon, what the fuck are you doing
Anyone try this recording? Jed Distler has it as one of his reference recordings of both the concertos.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE4sxh9h3c4&list=OLAK5uy_k5L3HfoyNRebL1qFdVqlizq288h1YezYU&index=1One community reviewer writes,>My review is of the Second Concerto, but the same stylistic thrust applies to the First. This set is a reinterpretation of two titanic works that tries to bring them back down to scale and at the same time to rethink how an orchestra should play Romantic music in the post-modern age. For listeners in sympathy with those goals, this will be the most original Brahms concertos on the market.With Harnoncourt, I don't always like what I hear, but I appreciate it'll at least be something new, an innovative take on a familiar work. Doesn't always work but the effort is nice, and when it does work, you gotta love it. So let's see if he and Buchbinder succeed here. Buchbinder also has another recording of these piano concertos with Mehta/Vienna from 2016 I'll check out soon too.
>>128018096?
>>128018168There's still ~20 posts before this one hits the bump limit. Early 'new' threads are a major faux pas, I could have you written up for this, set your career back by years.
>>128018181There's only 1/classical/ thread on the board, and 30 kpop threads. We can hit the bump limit here if you're so worried about it.
>>128017570Modern times are FAR less degenerate. You know nothing of history if you think otherwise, literally nothing. Violence, crime, corruption and the routine oppression and exploitation of essentially everyone except the aristocracy were the norm. Practically all the legal and social protections we enjoy now were developed in realisation of and reaction to those historical iniquities.
>>128018008Please refer to this post>>128017509
>>128018230Correct. The difference is that in 19th century upper class were more intelligent. And upper class consisted of irreligious/atheists either way. >>128018238Please refer to >>128017520
>>128018006The real sisterposter is too busy with their school work writing a paper called "Decolonising Drag"
>>128018248>And upper class consisted of irreligious/atheists either way.Lolno I'm not sure what fringe revionist Youtube historian told you this, but you should read actual history instead.>>128018230Well this is the standard prog leftist view yes.
>>128017570how is the level of degeneracy an indicator of what is true or not?
>>128017570your measure of "degeneracy" are good freedoms you don't want people to have out of hate and jealousy
>>128018292It isn't actually. But you can tell the person I replied to thought that Paganism or Atheism was the trve based White man relgion and Christianity is da joo on a stick. I'm just pointing out such arguments are clearly wrong. The statement that Christianity (I'm not going to humour his 'le abrahamic relgion bullshit) is a 'cancer' is also clearly wrong, since Europe reached it's highest possible heights under populations and cultures that were entirely Christian. Whereas now the secular Europe is in terminal cultural , political and economic Freefall. Of course you may wish to consider "Ye shall know them by their fruits"
>>128018270>I'm not sure what fringe revionist Youtube historian told you this,Neither. It is a well documented fact that religiousness significantly declined in 19th century, relative to 18th century. And it happened so only in the upper class and upper middle class.>but you should read actual history instead.Oh, I have. That's how I know, in fact.
>>128018331>Atheism>religion
>>128018305no
>>128018331>Europe reached it's highest possible heights under populations and cultures that were entirely Christianthe Roman Republic was Christian?
>>128018331Your arguments are nothing but fallacies and ignorance. Pagan Rome was at the cultural peak when christcuckery took over and Europe wasn't able to recover for nearly 10 centuries until the renaissance. It did more damage than good. In fact, it did no good. Europeans did the good, and it cannot be attributed to either paganism (rome) or christcuckery.
>>128018344then tell us if you would be so kind, what are the current degeneracies which were less prevalent when Europe was "all Christian", as you described the period
>>128018086No religious bullshit in the next thread. Keep it to >>>/pol/ >>>/x/ >>>/trash/
why do religious fanatics invade /classical/?
>>128018382They think listening to classical makes them le trad or something, they're not here for music.
>>128018357Yeah I was waiting for le based Rome to be mentioned. I mean Rome kept people as Slaves and Crucified their enemies I don't consider that particuarly great
>>128018399>Rome kept people as Slaves and Crucified their enemies I don't consider that particuarly greatThen you are objectively not a christian. And you haven't read the bible.
>>128018359Nah it was pretty bad bait kid on your part. Not worth answering. Try harder in future please.
>>128018403Incidentally it was Christians who ended slavery, something to think on and ponder.
>>128018359He can't. LOL>>128018406Pathetic
>>128018417Moving goalposts, concession accepted.To answer another one of your failure of an argument, slavery was started and ended in many cultures around the world, with and without christcuckery,which had nothing to do with those practice at all.
>>128018420Well you were either baiting or you're a Redditor those are your only two options, pick one. Neither cases deserves a sincere response
>>128018432No it wasn't>Moving goalposts, concession accepted.You are literally a living Basedjak
>>1280184351. It wasn't even me2. I'm neither baiting or a redditor, and I'm sure he's also neitherYou are avoiding answering a basic question, I wonder why
>>128018443>No it wasn'tHistorically illiterate moment>You are literally a living BasedjakYour concession is accepted yet again
