"On the Origin of Species" of Music edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blJO3ESyF_k&list=OLAK5uy_lbyFx4Y3fkYp5H7MdGuTXAYuW4IEt-sRU&index=4This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>128041465
First for Schosty <3
James Tenney
Can we talk about how classical composers helped to create and shape jazz?>Claude Debussy influenced jazz through his use of unconventional harmonies, scales, and rhythmic freedom, which broke from classical tradition and laid a foundation for jazz. His innovative use of extended chords, modes, pentatonic scales, and parallel motion resonated with jazz musicians like Duke Ellington and Miles Davis, offering them new harmonic and melodic possibilities. Jazz artists have directly incorporated his work, either by adapting his pieces or drawing inspiration from his atmospheric and impressionistic style.
The Apex of Art.The Bard of Bacchus.The Caster of Comfort.The Dionysus of Delusions.The Evoker of Ecstasy.The Forth-Bringer of Fantastic-Fantasies.The God of Greatness.The Height of Heroism.The Inventor of Ideas.The Juggler of Jubilation.The Knight of Knowledge.The Love of Listeners.The Master of Music.The Nirvana of Noblemen.The Oasis of Orgasm.The Poisoner of Peons.The Quester of Quixotic.The Rattler of Romance.The Sex of Sex-havers.The Tactful of Tranquility.The Up-lifter of Unbeaten.The Visionary of Vibrance.The Wagnerian of Wagners.The X-Factor of Xenophiles.The Yay of Youths.The Zing of Zion.
I have been listening to Lohengrin obsessively these last few weeks, it is making me experience reveries. I unconsciously find myself humming the aria, it is as if the music has absorbed me inside itself, this "dreamy", "satisfying", "thirst-quenching" sequence - https://youtu.be/gcfxxtl4KLw?si=pm7xEKbzVJqFsdHG&t=421 Wagner has hypnotized me. He has made an asexual withdrawn man pregnant with happiness.
>>128067850Wopin?Waltzes?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UzUs3NjrHc
He summoned cathedrals of sound from the abyss, where kings wept and Valkyries soared through veils of mortal woe.Now entombed in twilight’s grandeur, his spirit broods where music dares not breathe but in reverence.
>>128066353> Stupid fun: rank the 9 symphonies, others will try to guess the composer2 = 8 > 7 > 9 > 3 = 5 > 1 = 4 = 6
>>128067876There is nothing in this world that is as interesting, majestic and powerful as Wagner. If a thought occupies your mind and its not Wagner, then just be silent. Don't talk. Don't do anything. Think only when Wagner comes to your mind, write only when Wagner is in the sentence, speak only when Wagner is created by your larynx. Nothing. Else. Matters.
>>128067890Least obsessed Wagnerite itt.
>>128067886Wellesz?
Name a musical sequence better than the Lohengrin overture (conducted by Kempe* but that is debatable). Madness. It is the music that makes you "mad". Insane.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWV2ncVc4MY&list=OLAK5uy_lHI67nLGHlcUqJfoK-0HwnZyhBTivocxE&index=5
>>128067917No.
The French Suites by Bach is by far the most beautiful classical composition Ive ever heard. Its truly majesticMore like it?>>128067890Reminds me of an eccentric old fat music teacher in my HS. She would play us Wagner and somberly nod her head in silent appreciation. She would also go on a tangents overly praising Wagner. Must be some type of people i guess
>>128067991>More like it?His English Suites and Partitas.
>>128067671I'm trying to get more into classical, and this was my first time listening to this recording. Glenn's humming freaked me out at first, but I kind of like it.
>>128067991The rest of Bach's piano/keyboard compositions of course. Well-Tempered Clavier, Goldberg Variations, Partitas, English Suites, Art of Fugue. Maybe you'll like Angela Hewitt's recordings of Couperin's keyboard music too.>>128068016I personally prefer other Goldberg Variations recordings, but I will say that one is famous for a reason. Gould isn't really popular in this general though. Hopefully you come to love more classical!
>>128067991another great bach keyboard piece the anons didn't mention is the Musical Offering
>>128068085Thank you. I'll look through those beginner recommendations. Any recordings you prefer for Bach and Beethoven's piano compositions?
>>128068016Please don't listen to Gould. He is the most overrated, overhyped non-pianist hack. Go with anything else.For Harpsichord (which it was originally written for), Hantai. For piano, there are many good ones. I'd suggest Arrau.>>128068085>but I will say that one is famous for a reason.No, no it really is not famous for any good reason. This is appeal to popularity fallacy. It's just not good.
>>128068261>Any recordings you prefer for Bach and Beethoven's piano compositions?Heh, I could go on and on regarding this topic... for a simple answer for a beginner though, I would recommend:Angela Hewitt for BachGulda's set for Beethoven's complete piano sonatas, and for the piano concertos, probably Perahia/Haitinknote: for some of Bach's works, Hewitt has two recordings -- one from the late 90s, and then a newer take from ~2008. The older ones tend to have a more dance-like, tuneful approach, whereas the later ones have a slightly broader, looser interpretation for a more emotional experience. Can't go wrong with either, but there is a difference. Hell, listen to both. Anyway, enjoy!
>>128068285>For piano, there are many good ones. I'd suggest Arrau....anon, you can't seriously be recommending this hissfest to a newbie to classical, come on. I can't even stand to listen to it and I love Arrau!The best Goldberg Variations for a newbie are probably Hewitts' or Perahia's.
Perahia's Bach Goldberg Variationshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBFRBWEuP0w&list=OLAK5uy_lUpi7XF69-dAlgsRoHPgda4m1VL8e_qlk&index=1Angela Hewitt's (2015)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03gWQFNVKE0&list=OLAK5uy_nSmosNQ5L8KpMyeACLoDvnzgBOP1oGhoQ&index=1Bach's Goldberg Variations are one of the supreme achievements in all of music, as well as Western Art in general. It's one of the most recorded classical pieces in the repertoire. It's the kind of work one should explore many, many recordings over time, no great classical masterpiece can be reduced to a single interpretation. I've got several favorites of this work myself. This is where I'd recommend starting though.
>>128068424>>128068016forgot to tag/quote
>>128068358Some people are completely fine with hissfests, and others get used to it, which is worth it since these recordings offer different styles and traditions.Anyway, even if you hate hiss, anything is better than Ghoul.
>>128068516And that's fine but it's silly, if not outright inconsiderate to recommend a recording to a newbie that even most people deeply into classical music cannot tolerate. A little hiss is fine but Arrau's GV is extreme. Like Tureck's WTC. Now, Tureck's Goldberg Variations? That's a fine recording with a tolerable amount of age. But not her WTC and not Arrau's GV.
>>128068261>BachAndras Schiff>BeethovenRonald Brautigam
>>128068591well now you're just trying to bait me, anon
>>128068261This is another really good start Beethoven piano sonatas set
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMDGcHmcLfA
>>128068340Thank you, choice paralysis is a major issue for me when it comes to classical music.>>128068285I chose Gould because of picrel. I have no idea if any of the other recordings there are especially overrated/terrible, I just wanted a starting point.
>>128068733Crap, it didn't attach.
>>128068733>>128068748Nah, everything rest is at least decent or listenable.
>>128068261>>128068340Also, when I said Gulda's Beethoven, I mean this more modern set on Amadeo, not his older one on Orfeo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzEyIJkK1vo&list=OLAK5uy_m_afPa6Mlu26qm3BjKrYKKDCFhkrLRxAo&index=74>>128068733>Thank you, choice paralysis is a major issue for me when it comes to classical music.I know exactly what you mean, anon, and it's what put me off from classical for a long time, the daunting surfeit of recordings, the impossible question of "well which one do I listen to?"And all I can really say to that is it's like a pool: you just gonna dive in. You learn by doing, or in this case listening. Over time you'll begin to pick up and recognize names, associate them with certain interpretive styles, and come to notice what you like, and then discover how to best find the recordings which suit your needs. Just know it's not a one-and-done thing. You don't listen to one cycle/set of Beethoven's piano sonatas and go "welp, check that off my list, what's next?" it's more "neat, loved that -- now I wonder how these other greats and hyped newcomers are doing it" y'know? Here are some good starter youtube channels which really helped me out when I first seriously got into classical, https://www.youtube.com/@incontrariomotu (focus on older recordings, generally Russian musicians)https://www.youtube.com/@cgoroo (focus on classic recordings)https://www.youtube.com/@olla-vogala4090https://www.youtube.com/@AshishXiangyiKumar (almost entirely solo piano music)basically I would to these channels (mostly the first one), and search, say, "mozart" or "elgar" or "violin sonata" or "string quartet" and just listen to whatever they had because they each are pretty well curated with great recordings, aka whatever they have uploaded, you know will be a good performance. Anyway, best of luck, enjoy, and feel free to ask whatever questions here :)
best Beethoven Piano Concerto cycle?
I'll still never understand how Gould became the best-selling Bach pianist of all-time. It'd be like if Celibidache become the bestselling conductor for Bruckner. Just shocking. Usually these hyper-idiosyncratic performances are the sole purview of hobbyists and connoisseurs looking for something different, experimental, and deconstructive, and not the favorite of the mass audience. Baffling.
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>>128068882There's like a thousand of them, anon. Every great conductor and pianist has a cycle, many of them multiple! But if I had to pick one, I'd go with Uchida/Sanderling.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htqcCjD24Zw&list=OLAK5uy_m3IkVWAb8LJD80ipPg1xWCYDfiIQWoLrI&index=7
>>128068919eh, i don't like the album cover, is there one with a great album cover?>>128068903this one isn't bad
>>128068935>eh, i don't like the album cover, is there one with a great album cover?oh that's how you wanna play it? Okay, how about Brendel/Levine?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdbKT_gEXrA&list=OLAK5uy_ldKXOPGHfY3XuHbcKJlSBdp61WJTqEZLc&index=10And then my final favorite, Arrau/Davishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqOkWBA1OYQ&list=OLAK5uy_kmASTQ2q9ZtV4EQDI0mp46tO3xxcpKnS8&index=13
For today's WTC we will be listening to... Bernard Roberts'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQiYwgWeqG0&list=OLAK5uy_k7AQQvkVXf1O262IdT2iEydtOi5G65yYg&index=63
>>128068694I second this. This set is great.
>>128068516>>128068358>>128068590Hissfests gonna get AI treatment sooner or later. It should be good for something.
>>128068903Brautigam's Beethoven
>>128069056yupAI Prompt: clean up Arrau's Goldberg Variations and Feinberg's Well-Tempered Clavierand not only that but perhapsAI Prompt: produce me a Goldberg Variations recording performed by Sviatoslav Richter in the same tone and style with which he performed the Well-Tempered Claviercan't wait!
combining the phrases of good covers and goldberg variations, we have...<----https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaiSyOha90A&list=OLAK5uy_llagqAMg8_21FGh97IGXIk9O59CuDnIwM&index=1you see this cover for a classical recording and you just know you're about to witness monumental greatness and sublimity
>>128069153Why haven't Cortot or Kempff used Arno Breker's busts of them on an album cover? Why hasn't Breker's busts of Liszt and Wagner been used?
>>128069270>bust>it's a head
>>128069270perhaps the effect is only positive when it's a woman's
>piano>it's actually really loud
now playingstart of Schumann: Piano Trio No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 63https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC0gg_czYgo&list=OLAK5uy_kYsVrzJeqg__y8E3KBgzYp_3IFUEn-MZE&index=2start of Schumann: Piano Trio No. 2 in F Major, Op. 80https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVpjr_oqDJg&list=OLAK5uy_kYsVrzJeqg__y8E3KBgzYp_3IFUEn-MZE&index=6start of Schumann: 6 Studien in kanonischer Form, Op. 56https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9CC-eY6V2U&list=OLAK5uy_kYsVrzJeqg__y8E3KBgzYp_3IFUEn-MZE&index=10start of Schumann: Piano Trio No. 3 in G Minor, Op. 110https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utD4AWZ0LF0&list=OLAK5uy_kYsVrzJeqg__y8E3KBgzYp_3IFUEn-MZE&index=16start of Schumann: Fantasiestücke, Op. 88https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5jfRqbbG90&list=OLAK5uy_kYsVrzJeqg__y8E3KBgzYp_3IFUEn-MZE&index=19https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kYsVrzJeqg__y8E3KBgzYp_3IFUEn-MZE
>>128069397>Christian TetzlaffHe used that god awful HIPster style in his recording of the Bach Sonatas and Partitas, I haven't touched anything else by him for fear my ears be subjected to that aural torture again.
>>128069421What do you mean? And he's got 3 recordings of those Sonatas and Partitas, all of them wonderful and slightly different. While I wouldn't characterize any of them as HIP or even HIP-adjacent, his earlier two sets are even more traditional than his newest one. ex:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja6RaLrJb98&list=OLAK5uy_lxahg59eGJTrcKrmEMnW2FCEjy0jxR8FI&index=27
>>128069489Sounds thin and flat, just like I remember. No thank you.
What's your favorite Mozart's solo piano work (not counting the sonatas)?
>>128070462the suite k 399but i haven't heard of the rest that much
>>128070462K. 475https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSbj5hkn18g&list=OLAK5uy_nJ2xQOpsmYiEKj0_NXAvro8SrComQltGY&index=5
For those of you who have watched LoGH, did you like the classical music used? (I'd ask this on /a/ but they don't know shit about music)
now playingstart of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 17 In B Flat, K.570https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCI03bldHzU&list=OLAK5uy_maDSzXmmEGznykUjQrjQB7mwg_pk-yBiU&index=2start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 18 in D, K.576https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBLGPIN7HWY&list=OLAK5uy_maDSzXmmEGznykUjQrjQB7mwg_pk-yBiU&index=5Mozart: Adagio in B minor, K.540https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ClK6waNHd4&list=OLAK5uy_maDSzXmmEGznykUjQrjQB7mwg_pk-yBiU&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_maDSzXmmEGznykUjQrjQB7mwg_pk-yBiU>>128070462Check out this K.540
>>128068261>Beethoven's piano compositionsWilhelm Kempff for the sonatas
The
Cello
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GBlfBkP9H8olol??
>>128072038>Christianity>far-rightpick one.
>>128070719Yes, it used a lot of great music and not necessarily just famous pieces. You could maybe argue its choice of music was often tonally wrong but it added to the historical atmosphere of the world.
Are the books by Alfred Brendel and Charles Rosen worth reading? I'm afraid their bad playing is somehow going to leak into their musical opinions and thereby infect my appreciation of music.
>>128072038As someone who likes to use God and divinity as superlatives to compliment creatives and their work, I can't wait until thing shift to where people begin giving me funny looks when I say it in real life.>Beethoven was composing with the voice of God.>...oh, you Christian?>What? No.
>>128072187Wagner is God.
>>128072203...oh, you're a Christian?
This really takes the edge off, lads
>>128072215I've only heard a couple of her recordings but she's pretty good. And a nice duality to the Yuja Wang's name if you get my drift.
is this ever gonna unlock!? when does this get finally released wtf stop teasing me! I've even been holding off from revisiting Aimard's WTC Book 1 so I can listen to them together as a package for the full experience
>>128072251October 24 as per Apple Classical
>>128072274Thanks. Can't wait
Do Asians have a special affinity for Debussy because his music sounds Asiatic?
>>128072291Asians are drawn to overtly emotional music (eg. Chopin, Rachmaninoff, Debussy) because it's a counterbalance to their personal culture and personality.
>>128072306so what you're saying is Asians are repressed faggots?
>>128053694no, no one has ever listened to that recording ever, where did you find this obscure recording that not a single person heard ever?
>>128072321I prefer to think of it as sublimating their desires through art, but you could say that. Though I don't know if 'repressed' is the right word because they're only acting in their nature, but that's getting too deep into it here.
>>128072325Didn't know cross thread replies were a thing...I hope you went through the thread over there and understand why I asked Anon...
>>128072337>I hope you went through the thread over there and understand why I asked Anoni didn't
>>128072342>i didn'tClearly... What, if anything, are you currently listening to?
>>128072337Don't mind the rude schizo, just politely nod and smile until they leave you alone.
>>128072359Sibelius Violin Concerto (Ferras/Karajan)you?>>128072363how was i being rude? i was just being an asshole
>>128072383>how was i being rude? i was just being an assholedamn my bad
>>128072383>Sibelius Violin Concerto (Ferras/Karajan)>you?Some Bach, The Well Tempered Clavier from Pierre Laurent Aimard.
>>128072306They don't seem to particularly like Wagner.
>>128072383why are there swastikas on the cover?
>>128072411ah, the real schizo
>>128072404Not that anon, but if you end up liking Aimard's Bach, be sure to check out his wonderful Art of Fugue recording too (and be ready to spiritually transcend)
i love Scriabin's piano works, where do i start with his orchestral works? the concerto?
>>128072547the symphonies, the concerto, the tone poem
why hasn't anyone written a 3 hour long symphony?
>>128072187anon I don't think anyone but christians would say something like that
>>128072336different wording with the same meaning. for comparison, when Germans express anything through art they always take an autistic hypermasculine approach. Asians are the polar opposite. In music they can't help themselves from being overtly emotional and sentimental.
>>128072306those composers are famous everywhere, it's just that more asians are into classical music these days so you notice it more, but yeah especially Chopin is probably the most well known composer world wide.
>>128072733Obviously. But Asians are especially enamored with that kind of classical music. I don't think I've met any that had any real love for Mozart or Bach, or hell, even Beethoven. Some I had met who were really into those composers I named legitimately hadn't even heard of Brahms! Because for them, classical music only begins in the high romantic era.
>>128072743there is an orchestra in japan dedicated to performing Bach specifically, his music is used in anime all the time too, so there definitely are some love for him there.
>>128072757Of course. These are never hard-set, black-and-white delineations and rules, only percentages, habits, and inclinations.
>>128072757>his music is used in anime all the time tooyeah like Evangelion, and uhh yeah
>>128072743Asians are too effeminate and frivolous to genuinely appreciate and understand the art of Bach, Beethoven, and Brahms.
>>128072383>>128072411as a black woman, those swastikas are threatening to me. dees wyties tryna kill me an shit
>>128072790I would be willing to buy into the first part of that. Not sure what frivolous in your context means though, like unsubstantial? Lacking in the spiritual dimension?
>>128072808fuck off, ESL.
>>128072821...I just don't see how an entire people could be called frivolous.
>>128072790i'm asian
>>128072845bug man faggot.
>>128072888i'm actually not asian
>>128072888hey, cool it with the racism please, thank you
>>128072888as a black woman, i agree, asians are evil racists
let's finally try this Tchaikovsky cycle, the one by the conductor whose name you cannot say on 4chanstart of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 1 in G Minor, Op. 13, TH.24 "Winter Reveries"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHuvuWDUCps&list=OLAK5uy_n1T4LsTjr-pKykHWNTpmH0LmMz-H5_Qk8&index=2start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 2 in C Minor, Op. 17, TH.25 "Little Russian"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuXWSHyOlx4&list=OLAK5uy_n1T4LsTjr-pKykHWNTpmH0LmMz-H5_Qk8&index=6start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 3 in D Major, Op. 29, TH.26 "Polish"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiBqSttAx2A&list=OLAK5uy_n1T4LsTjr-pKykHWNTpmH0LmMz-H5_Qk8&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n1T4LsTjr-pKykHWNTpmH0LmMz-H5_Qk8I know a lot of critics and listeners hate it, so if it sucks, well, that happens, and I'm prepared lol.
>>128067671Why do pseuds, 110 IQ holders and babbys second classical listeners underrate him?
>>128073285>t. asiant. asian
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyAKKJD5xBE
Recs for recordings of Chopin's Polonaises?
>>128073285Because he's gay and neurotic>>128072291>Debussy>sounding asiaticMaybe Pagodes, and some parts of La mer , but using the pentatonic scale doesn't make turn a piece into ching chong ping pong eat the dog for dinna tunight. His exocticism is rooted more in Church modes and Caucasus more than anything else.But to answer your question, it's because Debussy is god-like and not neurotic that's why.
>When its time for the daily reminder
>>128073372>chopin>neuroticI don't think you know what that word means, anon.
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>>128073388anon nooooo
>>128073399>"Neurotic" describes a personality trait characterized by a higher tendency to experience negative emotions like anxiety, anger, and worryChopin fits every aspect of the definition.
>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>Your Romanticism>My Foot>Your Classicism>My FistI will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and ProkofievThat is all
>>128073420>anxiety>anger>worryDoesn't really sound like Chopin. Mahler and Shostakovich are that way.
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms>No Perotin or Medieval Music
>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold
>>128073503>Stage fright: Chopin had severe stage fright and gave very few public concerts in his life. He once told his friend Franz Liszt that an audience made him feel "asphyxiated" and "paralyzed". >Mood swings: He experienced recurrent depressive mood swings and was described as having a "violent" and "excitable" temperament by his friend Liszt. >Intense sensitivity: Chopin was very sensitive to his surroundings and critics, leading to constant anxiety. This sensitivity also meant he could be overcritical of others and sometimes portray minor annoyances as catastrophic events. >Impact on creativity: His nervousness and emotional struggles influenced his work, with some researchers suggesting his music expressed the "restlessness of the artist". >Other health concerns: In addition to his mental and emotional struggles, Chopin was also frail and sickly, suffering from health problems that may have contributed to his overall anxiety and nervous disposition. This all sounds very neurotic to me, not conducive to Platonic living, be careful with the affectations, they may turn your body mind to dark paths.
Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shitBelow is a list of acceptable Romantics:>Field>Chabrier>Franck>Tarrega>Wagner*>Any of the Russian 5>Grieg>Alkan>Late Beethoven
>>128073538Is that an AI copy and paste... also none of that has anything to do with his music
>>128073519is Kirnberger baroque? personally, I think he continued composing baroque music after the 1750's purely out of spite.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDNwToMC0EY
NO MOZARTNO CHOPINNO MAHLERALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIETHIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!SONATA FORM SHOULD DIEONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEATWHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITEBACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER
>copy+pastes AI text>talks about Platonic living and other's minds turning to dark pathsAnon, I...
>>128073538Could you please link to a work of Chopin's that you would say has the dominant moods of anxiety, anger and worry?
>>128073556These are all recorded incidents, the AI was lazy for sure on my end, but my point still stands. His neurotic behavior affected his which is why it sounds so nervous and fleeting aside from the more tranquil part of the Nocturnes>>128073568I would do it out of spite as well to counter all the alberti bass faggot shit that Haydn and Mozart were churning out.
>>128073624https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkG7mxhx36U&list=RDjkG7mxhx36U&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ECbcwyjPY&list=RDJ7ECbcwyjPY&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QT7ITv9Ecs&list=RD8QT7ITv9Ecs&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejUG_nAEQKM&list=RDejUG_nAEQKM&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHlqEvAwdVcHe has very tranquil moments which are very beautiful but they are ruined by the kling klangy romantic piano neuroticism. The B major Etude is a great example of what I'm saying, it has such a beautiful middle movement but its ruined by the dinosaur stomping at the beginning and end. That will hurt about just anyone's ears as the pianos timbres aren't made for that type of playing, but I guess that's the point of the study to being with.This is also what makes Scriabin's music such an enigma as well, since he was about twice as neurotic as Chopin. Aside from a few loud parts in the sonatas, etudes, poetic pieces and the late works batshit quackery, the majority of his early and middle period is very soothing and relaxed
>>128072653...thats the joke he was making, I assume
>>128072653>>128073850It's metaphorical.
Anyone else think he's is unfairly categorized as the one hit wonder guy? His music is so straight forward and to the point. He may not be as clever as Bach or Buxtehude, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, I feel like the simplicity and clearness of the music gives it a some what humble charm, if that makes sense.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr7L6FoPbes&list=RDhr7L6FoPbes&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_2WfX4CSu8&list=RDG_2WfX4CSu8&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK4Y6NaOVjA&list=RDEK4Y6NaOVjA&start_radio=1
Schubert's solo piano music makes me so happy. D. 958, 959, the 6 moments musicaux, and the impromptus. Oh, and the D. 946 Klavierstucke. Just pure, unbridled musical joy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BxE5GK2d7s
>>128073780If you think the Heroic Polonaise is characterised by neuroticism then you're genuinely retarded. Holy shit lmao. >He has very tranquil moments which are very beautiful but they are ruined by the kling klangy romantic piano neuroticism. The B major Etude is a great example of what I'm saying, it has such a beautiful middle movement but its ruined by the dinosaur stomping at the beginning and end.Oh I see, you think fortissimo and wide dynamics on a keyboard means "neurotic".
>>128073979it's the same faggot that posts that spams that gay buff brown guy in every thread, ignore her.
>>128073780>me when I've backed myself into a corner in an online argument by making nebulous, iffy claims and start using fake evidence in hopes it works
>>128074022>posts thatoops meant to delete that
GET OUT OF MY HEAD BACH, just let me listen to this other music without a voice popping into my head of "hey, switch to Bach's Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin real quick, c'mon, you know you want to" lemme enjoy some other composers for a bit goddamn
>>128073979Yes, loud and obnoxious piano dynamics are the result of someone emotionally unrestrained. If that B major etude didn't bother you at all, maybe your ears are just built for aural fucking>>128074022Someone needs to teach these romantitrannies the truth.
>>128074025Thats not how green text works zoomer
you really have to imagine what type of person would post the same exact slop posts in every single thread every day, this might be even worse than the Nicotranny.
>>128074131I don't mind it, it's just 4chan culture, it's part of the vibe of the place, like decoration
>>128074137i do when it's just the same exact thing every time, and it's AI slop anyway.
Tureck's BachGoldberg Variations, BWV 988https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaiSyOha90A&list=OLAK5uy_llagqAMg8_21FGh97IGXIk9O59CuDnIwM&index=2Aria variata alla maniera italiana in A Minor, BWV 989https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kIAF_c4M04&list=OLAK5uy_llagqAMg8_21FGh97IGXIk9O59CuDnIwM&index=34Italian Concerto in F Major, BWV 971https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GJ2x5qx6HY&list=OLAK5uy_llagqAMg8_21FGh97IGXIk9O59CuDnIwM&index=45Overture in the French Manner, BWV 831https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBKbfY3oRs&list=OLAK5uy_llagqAMg8_21FGh97IGXIk9O59CuDnIwM&index=47
>>128074131I'm the BABIAA spammer, thanks for the laugh.I'm having diarrhea rn because I had to listen to Chopin to prove me point
>>128074155lol
>>128074155kek, you're welcome
>>128074150Goddamn I forgot how slow the opening aria of this recording is. Played at this tempo, I can see how this piece would be great for falling asleep to.
i can only sleep when Shostakovich Symphony 4 is playing on full volume, fuck you.
>>128074169Now that's what I call neurotic. On that note, his 8th, 10th, 11th, and 12th are all wonderful for sleep. Put those in a playlist and I guarantee you'll be out and comfy before it ends.
favorite recordings of Die Kunst der Fuge (the greatest piece of music ever written)?
What's the best recording of the Messiah? I've underrated Handel for so long, but the Dixit Dominus has dilated my soul the same way a Wagner overture has, and I feel like I've lost so much of myself by not listening to this Divine and God given tub of pork and beer
>>128074246>What's the best recording of the Messiah?i know, but i won't tell you.
>>128074237Aimard, Trifonov, NikoleyevaAlso worth mentioning Nosrati and Hewitt. I need to check out Sokolov's too. I also love string quartet versions of it (Cuarteto Casals and Juilliard SQ).>>128074246Richter for a more reverential performance, Solti for the traditional jaunty approach.
>>128074246i like Colin Davis
>>128074267I'm listening to the "He was despised " recitative from the Trevor Pinnock rendition. I usually don't like Von Otter, but her voice sounds fantastic on this one I'll listen to the Richter version afterwards.
>>128074237>First prize winner of the prestigious Naumburg Competition in 2017, like Stephen Hough, one of his mentors, Albert Cano Smit is a pianist noted for his bold choices and his taste for atypical musical associations. At the age of 9, he completed his musical education at the Abbey of Montserrat in Spain, where polyphony played a major role. Nourished by this teaching, Albert Cano Smit chose the ultimate achievement in this field, L'Art de la fugue, for his first solo album. "I remember hearing the opening notes of the piece for the first time, and being captivated by the impression that an entire universe was slowly being revealed through the work. Without immediately understanding the degree of complexity, I was deeply moved by the music, and I believe every listener can be. This album is my humble attempt at communicating this to every music lover. I'm grateful to them and to everyone joining me on this journey of discovery."
>>128074328I'll have to check that one out. I usually avoid the HIPsters and HIPster-adjacents like Pinnock and Marriner but in choral works they can be nice.
didn't know Lortie had any Chopin; let's see how he does ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw75D7BhU6w&list=OLAK5uy_kJTsY4fz9QKctZlSaSRZBCHFjd3xibFG4&index=22
>>128073305>op. 62 no.1Based. Koczalski's interpretation is too goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boFI7K7eFOA
>Average baroque music listenerhttps://youtu.be/TqmFYe32kWM
>>128074858What the fuck, why does this exist? I hate this so much, this is what happens when people aren't told to kill themselves at least a few times.
>>128074858Dox, raid, send za's and rape NOW
>>128074858>Romantic music is for aristocrats>Baroque music isntThis retarded tranny doesn't even know what he's talking about
>>128074888Romantic music is when concerts became the primary place for classical innovation rather than the court, what is this nigger SAYING
>>128074858Average nu/classical/caca
>>128068016Fuck Gould and just listen to Scriabin, faggot.
>>128072547Start with pic related and thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOjQ4j9bLvg
>>128074858>>128074876>>128074886Is he wrong though? I agree with him completely.>>128074888This was the biggest trvke he dropped. Romantic is for the real connoisseurs
>>128074858just fucking kill yourself. I hate trannies so much that I quit a course just to avoid being in the same room as one.
>>128074977You seem deranged
>>128074981you misspelt "sane".
>>128074987>sane>in 21st centuryNice try.
>>128074996take some rope and turn your fan into a merry-go-round.
>>128074967Everything a tranny says its wrong because it came out of a tranny's mouth
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQCuG0TQSac
>>128074858>not a single troll comment posted4chan is dead
now that the dust has settled, this is the best WTC of all-time, ye?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9YKqSxi9-g&list=OLAK5uy_lrgzLR_qdPQOX2KiJTXb3slMgz2X_eP98&index=28
>>128075048ywnbaw.
>>128075020That is a logical fallacy, little bigoted guy
>>128075091swallow a packet of needles and die. ywnbaw.
>shaves one time >dies
>>128075135Yes there isOcean pollution is bad.
I think I've finally come around on Chopin's piano concertos :)>>128075133kek
Is there literally any orchestral piece that actually improves when played by a pared-down chamber orchestra? I swear it's just a scheme to justify lower payroll budgets for the orchestra.
>>128075133he was also a manlet.
>>128075147The Rite of Spring
>>128075147While I don't really like chamber orchestra transcriptions, I do think some works tend to sound better with a ~50-player orchestra vs a ~100 player orchestra. Mainly more contrapuntally rich works.
was just about to listen to Giulini's recording of Brahms' German Requiem to end the day when I went to Amazon to pull the album cover and saw Raphael Pichon released a recording of it this summer! Well damn, guess I gotta listen to that one now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65a3CP6u3zk&list=OLAK5uy_lkyTjk9pB_qxgsbDGZaO2fY5rjLYJNwFg&index=1
>>128075141It's hard to not love them. The 1st especially is just a giga-earworm once you're reminded of it. It never leaves your mind.
>>128075193They had to nerf him somehow.
>>128075133>refuses to elaborate further
I just want to play my Erik Satie CD and my neighbours keep making obnoxious knocking noises all the time. England is just unbelievably hostile. It completely defeats the point of the music. What should I do? It's like 10AM, I'm at home, surely people are out.
>>128075277remove kebab.
>>128075281Not really in the mood for jokes, sorry.
>>128075289the mass immigration of brownoids is no laughing matter.
>>128075298I'm not laughing.
>>128075135>Deleting a post as milquetoast as thisfuck jannies
no one:absolutely nobody:still nobody:not a single soul:literally no one:not even Mozart (still alive):not even yuja wang:random incel on 4chan: WAGNER IS LE BEST COMPOSER EVAR!!! W.[everyone disliked that]barenboim: wait that's illegalglenn gould: ok that was lowkey on pointscriabincel: slaps roof of car luke did i ever tell you about the time i wrote a piece to bring about the end of the world? it was an epic moment.luke: is retardedCIA: Bane?Wagner's ghost: hey don't google HP Lovecraft's cat name[OP googles hp lovecrafts cat name]CIA: congratulations you got yourself caught!Chopincel: flies past in a spaceship ooooh i dont care what universe you're from that's GOTTA HURT[everyone laughed]Barenboim: you're breathtaking!area 51 guards:i bet i can take BarenboimBarenboim: you sure about thatBarenboim: kills all area 51 guardsarea 51:wait thats illegalEveryone liked thatCIA: am I joke to you?Mahoposter: I am a gay pedophile who likes little girls[everyone disliked that]kraut: I'm gonna post notationsAlt right incels: there's no way classical can be good agai....Alma Deutscher: hold my beerBig chungus joined the chatDrumpf has left the chat/classical/lets: 'Yeah, I'm thinking this is kind of epic based pilled, maybe a bit of a coom moment?? Idk think I might post a link.
>>128075336It wasn't /classical/ related, deserved to be deleted.
>>128075344+1
>>128075277they're still knocking, I turned off the music 20 minutes ago.
>>128075277>>128075420sorry anon :(headphones?
>>12807542010 am on a chewsday? shouldn't you be at work mate?
>>128075336The people that live without rules ought to be considered barbarians and thus treated as such. Only animals live without laws and regulations. The purity of /classical/ will not be polluted by some inferior, worthless rabble rousers. We espouse discipline, standard and order unlike the other generals on this site. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4hbEzT9toA
>>128075438it's a long story, but I can't wear headphones, it's a convoluted autistic issue. I used to, but I can't when I'm stressed.>>128075442I don't work
>>128075336Fuck off you piece of shit
>>128075243Another winner by one of the great choral conductors of our era. Now we just need Pichon to record Beethoven's Missa Solemnis, Berlioz's Requiem, Dvorak's Stabat Mater, and maybe a Bruckner Mass and I can die happy.
>>128074858
I'm obsessed with this woodwind motive/figure in Rach's Symphonic Dances, the one that prefaces the saxophone tune (see here https://youtu.be/otJmf3pyb1E?t=179). It shows up in the 2nd movement of his 2nd symphony as well, before the string serenade hits. Does he use it anywhere else?
>>128076241Oh yeah, that woodwind solo before one of the most beautiful string section I've ever listened to, fuck. I love it so much.I can't think of anything similar off the top of my head, except of course 2nd concerto 1st movement, clarinets playing theme but piano is playing accompaniment. And 2nd movement, obviously, that famous solo. 3rd concerto 2nd mov, but with accompaniment. 4th concerto 2nd movement (near middle/ending bit) also with accompaniment.But I'm sure you can find one without accompaniment somewhere.
>>128075344What is this?
>Under the lead of Italian vocalism, Music had become an art of sheer agreeableness: one thus entirely denied to her the power of giving herself a like significance with the arts of Dante and Michelangelo, and had hence dismissed her, without more ado, to a manifestly lower rank of arts. Wherefore from out great Beethoven there was now to be won a quite new knowledge of her essence; the roots, whence Music had thriven to lust this height and this significance, were to be followed thoughtfully through Bach to Palestrina; and thus there was to be founded a quite other system for judging her aesthetically, than that which took its reckonings from a musical evolution lying far outside these masters' path.>Beethoven is the only true melody maker. What Rossini gave the world in a vulgar way is already entirely there in him, in a noble form; everything in him is melos.
>In the following year Cosima quoted Wagner as saying, “I recently read that [the critic] Hanslick had spoken of Beethoven’s naïveté. A donkey like that can have no idea of the wisdom of genius, which, though it comes and goes like lightning, is the highest there is. One could, rather, call Mozart naïve because he worked in forms he did not create himself – only what he said within them was his own. But what do these people know of the enraptured state of a productive artist.”
Gaylord Fagner
>>128075243Wish a recording existed that had the lean forces and clarity of this one but without the weak, anemic Norrington-like HIP string sound. Oh, well. Nice vocal conducting and I enjoy the unusually bright and sweet tone of the female soloist.
Early morning
>>128077211Just look at him. Look at that jawline, his expression and demeanor. There is just "something" about him. Something that is not human.
>>128078004An Ape like face
>>128077285>>128078149Give me one reason as to why you hate Wagner. Just what was his crime? That he tried to "save" the entire fucking world?
>>128077922>that coverkek. Is this some goth music
>>128077922Good morning. I don't recognize a single name on that album cover.
>>128078236is this Anon doing a bit
>>128078429>not recognizing Telemann
>>128078622Never let the truth get the way of a joke!
>>128078642Okay kitten :3
>>128078642You tell em man!
>>128078702It's ma'am
let's start the day with a modern recording (2010) of Brahms' violin concerto, now playingstart of Brahms: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 77www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOnxyxTO4dE&list=OLAK5uy_luMTt8VTPQlY6HmTMUCP0O59LHGByLd-I&index=1start of Berg: Violin Concerto "To the Memory of an Angel"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WJoNxQfkBQ&list=OLAK5uy_luMTt8VTPQlY6HmTMUCP0O59LHGByLd-I&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_luMTt8VTPQlY6HmTMUCP0O59LHGByLd-ILove the violinist Renaud Capuçon, the prodigal conductor Daniel Harding can be good, even great at times, and of course the Vienna Phil. needs no introduction. Should be good!
>>128078702hehe took me a few rereads to get it
>>128078702>>128078818Oh. kek
>best violin concerto, best piano concertos, best piano trios, best piano quintet, best clarinet quintet, best cello sonatas, best clarinet sonatas, best string quintets, best string sextets>more masterpieces on top of thatFUCK how did he do it anons!?
>>128078859>be brahms>hmm i think i'm gonna match beethoven's genius musical versatility>succeedswtf who does this...
>>128078859>best violin concerto,Mendelssohn>best piano concertos, Rachmaninoff>best piano trios, Schubert>best piano quintet,>best clarinet quintet, Given>best cello sonatasRachmaninoff>best clarinet sonatas, Given>best string quintets, Mozart>best string sextetsGiven
>>128078909>>best cello sonatasActually Chopin, but he has 1.
>>128078909Alfred Given is a pretty good composer, I'll give(n) you that.Anyway I'll accept your substitutes, though the Rach cello sonata is questionable, even though I like that a ton.>>128078921u crazy but I'll accept it
>>128078909>Rachmaninofflol
>>128078933>u crazySo whose cello sonata is da bestChopin's is by far the most refined and contrapuntally rich. It's one of his best pieces>>128078952Okay, Rachmaninov.
>>128078967>So whose cello sonata is da best............brahms'
>>128078967so true emotionally dishonest virtuososlopper
>>128078986thanks midwit
>>128079001>midwit
felt bored so here's my list of essential Goldberg Variations recordings. note: not necessarily my favorites, though some of these are of course, because some of my favorites are rather idiosyncratic and attuned to my personal preferences. all of these are at least excellent and more idiomatic and therefore essentialhope it helps someone enjoy one of the supreme aesthetic achievements in all of human artistic history!
>>128079081Jed Distler includes Gould's 1981 and Schiff's Decca recordings from the 90s in his reference recordings of the Goldberg Variations, wasn't sure if I should include them. Felt iffy leaving them off but putting them on would have me feeling the same. In fact, I don't think I've heard Gould's '81 recording, might have to try that out today... (I've of course heard his seminal '55 recording).
>>128079081>>128079138I admire you for not including Ghoul.
Listening to Bohm's bruckner 7 got me in the mood again for Bohm in generalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kbP-FDVaHY
>>128079224Can't ever go wrong with him. Bruckner, Brahms, Mozart, Schubert, Beethoven...
>>128079161>>128079228why do you keep deleting your posts
once I'm like Hitler everyone who likes R*ssian music will be dealt with
>>128079290My only issue is that he often doesn't do the repeats, which, depending on the movement can be a huge blow. Brahms 2's first movement is a good example, the development is such an important part of it that I think observing it is of utmost importance so the listener is well acquainted with the theme before the development starts.I also think that all of Mozart's andantes all deserve their repeats observed because they're lovely
>>128079392>theme*themes
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Oo_cdGfMU&list=OLAK5uy_ldihEnJjUsNUmmBXB6DHEojYXquHFvC9k&index=13
For Wand's Bruckner 8ths, NDR, Berlin, or Cologne?
>>128078859>is literally an incelI'll take Bach, Franck and Liszt thank you, at least they got laid.
>>128079321Stopped listening to the recording and changed to something else.
What do you guys think of Trevor Pinnock? In my opinion, he has the best version of the Brandenburg Concertos with The English Concert.
>>128079690Not to my tastes generally but has his mega stature for a reason, and if I only had his recordings to listen to for some works, I'd be willing to listen and most likely enjoy it.
>>128079690I like his Handel a lot. Enjoyed his Rameau keyboard recording too.
>>128079707He's great for baroque music.
>>128079690His keyboard concertos on harpsichord was one of the albums that got me into classical.
>>128078244Telemann
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqrFJV0oaIc&list=OLAK5uy_kuaBdp_cwXYmNrgJC9OnqjIq3gqole6lE&index=11start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obgbfG9N2jI&list=OLAK5uy_kuaBdp_cwXYmNrgJC9OnqjIq3gqole6lE&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kuaBdp_cwXYmNrgJC9OnqjIq3gqole6lE
>No Talk about the Chopin competitionnot that I needed any more proof that all of you are just a bunch of posers
>>128078429I like both Oberlinger and Ensemble 1700
>>128079918I like the idea of it, that it exists, but for my own pleasure, I prefer listening to recordings where the pianist has taken their time to come up with a personalized, ideal performance in an artistic context, not a live competitive one. I do feel bad no one else here wants to discuss it with you though, I know how that feels and it sucks. I'm sure there are on-going and active discussions on other sites and forums.
>>128079918I guess you are only anon that ever talks about that competition every year.
>>128079918I watch the live sometimes, and performances like Kevin Chen's technically flawless but otherwise boring performance. I can't keep up with 20 different pianists playing same thing in the same style over and over, I get fatigued. Plus, I'm not always in the mood for solo piano, as much as I love it.
>>128073780>loud = neuroticKek, this is the biggest load of baloney I've read in a long time.
what is the Trout Mask Replica of Classical Music?
>>128079918Why would I give a shit about new pianists, much less new pianists playing fucking Chopin in the year 2025? There's absolutely nothing new or interesting they can offer at this point, Chopin has been done to DEATH.
>>128080074But I'm gonna chime in no->it's overkek
>>128080102https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZi8vhD1fLI&list=OLAK5uy_lJcNAh1y7OsQd_OA0Pp--02cEaL817S_I
>>128080102Probably something like Philip Glass' Einstein on the Beach or Messiaen's Quartet of the End of Time. Actually that latter one is spot on. Yeah, that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBFOwHLYj70
>>128080116Embarrassing.
>>128080153yeah, i know you are, but what am i?
>>128080153Your lack of a counterargument is embarrassing. Make an attempt or shut the fuck up, faggot.
Speaking about live perfomances, what is that piece Karajan was conducting and the audience starts clapping together with the music, then he conducts the audience too. It was a waltz by any of the Strauss. Any anon care to share the link?
now playingstart of Schumann: String Quartet No. 1 in A Minor, Op. 41, No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgtnr38w90M&list=OLAK5uy_l44m9Z4hyJC0kpSSD1QPaVtZCBK-EHE5A&index=2start of Schumann: String Quartet No. 2 in F Major, Op. 41, No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKeiGgU6V80&list=OLAK5uy_l44m9Z4hyJC0kpSSD1QPaVtZCBK-EHE5A&index=6start of Schumann: String Quartet No. 3 in A Major, Op. 41, No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P368XR4IGNY&list=OLAK5uy_l44m9Z4hyJC0kpSSD1QPaVtZCBK-EHE5A&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l44m9Z4hyJC0kpSSD1QPaVtZCBK-EHE5A
>>128079918Competitions are for horses, not musicians.
>>128080169What's there to counter? Contemporary musicians and their performances are worth listening to. There's always new and interesting things to be said about the music in the standard repertoire.
>>128080204me on the left, trying to look nonchalant about the being shorter than the girl (in heels) i'm next to
>>128080116Are you arguing in favor of the death of live performance? What are you doing in this general?
>>128080197https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2FZCz-PQfEStrauss only has one popular waltz.
>>128080197I found it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9JTNGLAO50
>>128080268it's the /pol/tards who think anything artistic in the modern era is shit by default
hiss sisters, what do we think of Kempff's mono Hammerklavier?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3SRda1i-DY&list=OLAK5uy_lS4atw9ssnghLeZxKW2qL_I_PsU_Mbqc0&index=87
What works by CPE Bach do you rec me?
>>128080227>Contemporary musicians and their performances are worth listening toNot necessarily. This is just a slogan, not an argument.>There's always new and interesting things to be said about the music in the standard repertoireThat's delusional. You assume perpetual freshness without explaining what, how or why something's new. The marginal return on yet another Chopin Competition performance in 2025 is extremely low. At this point, 95% of competitors are just re-packaging the same interpretative cliches. "Novelty" now means either exaggerated rubato or pretending that playing on a Pleyel is somehow interesting. Meanwhile, countless composers remain underappreciated and neglected because institutions keep worshipping the same fucking piano composer.Calling people "posers" for not caring about yet another Chopin Competition is pure, retarded herd-think. Not to mention, contemporary performance practice has become so samey it hurts, but that's another debate entirely.>uhm, contemporary musicians are worth listening to because...>b-because THEY JUST ARE OKAYYou're a fucking retard!>>128080268Congratulations for getting *that* out of my post, you gargantuan retard.>>128080283Nice strawman, faggot. Got any other fallacies in your arsenal?
>>128080225There is little difference.
>>128080373Yeah well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
>>128080227>Contemporary musicians and their performances are worth listening to.Why?
Is it time for me to begin my Mozart obsession phase?
>>128080410because that's how art works. all of the classics were contemporary and new at some point. so we keep on marching forward, keep on creating and trying new things
>>128080409>>128080409Yeah, an informed opinion based on observation and critical thinking, not blind, mindless and uncritical acceptance of institutional dogma or competition hype.
>>128080438What exactly is the institutional dogma regarding listening to new releases or attending concerts?
>>128080427You're just restating your assumption as proof. That's circular logic.>we keep on marching forward, keep on creating and trying new thingsThis is fucking HYSTERICAL coming from someone glued to the Chopin Competition, where the whole premise is playing 200 year old music the exact same way for the millionth time. The biggest variety you'll find is in what kind of retarded faces the pianists make. Besides, what intrinsic worth is there in mindless striving for "progress" when the result is just another sanitized, jury-approved Etude No. 12?
Stockhausen edition next or I'm not posting.
>everything new sucks!when it comes to art are only slightly less cringe than>everything old sucks!dolts and philistines
>>128080355Same quality as in Spotify.
>>128080472The dogma is precisely this uncritical assumption that "doing something" (going to concerts with the same music, listening to new releases of the same music, watching the same old competitions) is automatically good. That's literally what a dogma is, you fucking retard.
>>128080501i meant of the performance. i see a lot of boomers talk about how great Kempff's mono Beethoven cycle is but I'm not convinced
>>128080496>>everything new sucks!Not what I said, but I'm not surprised you illiterate retards can't process anything that requires even a shred of nuance.
>>128080505Whereas you are enlightened and know that sometimes "doing something" might not be good?
>>128080529Congratulations, you've just described the basic principle of critical thinking!
>>128080534Thank you :)
lmfao
give the man his stockhausen edition finally
>>128080580topk(ek)itten
hehe topkitty, imma start super sayin that
The problem with a Stockhausen edition is I wouldn't even know what work to link to in the OP
>>128080629link your momma's ass haha faggot
>>128080681topkitty
>>128080629https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RMGGVlMuwo
so is someone baking a new bread or...
bread is done baking!new>>128080852>>128080852>>128080852new
