Mozart editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo8FDoqD6dEThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenprevious: >>128018086
speaking of Mozart, now playingMozart: Fantasia for Piano in C Minor, K. 475https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhwIb49iRL8&list=OLAK5uy_l8u_h_B3vKloqFpGcnYdn_Q8b1dFjYIs0&index=41start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 14 in C Minor, K. 457https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0y9n49Z4PA&list=OLAK5uy_l8u_h_B3vKloqFpGcnYdn_Q8b1dFjYIs0&index=42start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 15 in F Major, K. 533https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_vyWF9cgjc&list=OLAK5uy_l8u_h_B3vKloqFpGcnYdn_Q8b1dFjYIs0&index=45start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 16 in C Major, K. 545 "Semplice"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUbYA4x8sZg&list=OLAK5uy_l8u_h_B3vKloqFpGcnYdn_Q8b1dFjYIs0&index=47https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l8u_h_B3vKloqFpGcnYdn_Q8b1dFjYIs0
Daily reminder that Telemann is criminally underrated.
>mfw listening to French Baroque music while eating leftover lasagna Up next is Leonin and Chabrier, I'm eating good today boys, au revoir!
>mfw le badinage, la reveuse, and the Sonneriehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzw8gtqsvDM&list=RDDzw8gtqsvDM&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmyxYFhyfFQ&list=RDcmyxYFhyfFQ&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DzmkLEn3fA&list=RD4DzmkLEn3fA&start_radio=1Bask in the glory of France you shits
>>128041657>>128041623Sorry but france is not good after the revolution
>>128041668Objectively falseChabrier, Franck, Satie, Ravel, Debussy, Severac, Vierne, Poulenc, Boulanger, Tailleferre, Emmanuel, and early Messiaen.All more influential and listenable compared to Germanic slop of the same era. I bet you like Bruckner.
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>>128041515you're doing it wrong. try this:>reminder to self: listen to Telemann
>>128041857Nobody does it like the French, but fuck most of those philosophers on the bottom
now playingstart of Beethoven: Symphony No. 5 in C Minor, Op. 67https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVm01c9SBYk&list=OLAK5uy_kZSWihYITz0xdD9NoyLkYGZuIOCKegvYQ&index=18start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 6 in F Major, Op. 68 "Pastoral"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGCe2Yx7fxA&list=OLAK5uy_kZSWihYITz0xdD9NoyLkYGZuIOCKegvYQ&index=22start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 7 in A Major, Op. 92https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOhdL2wBGnY&list=OLAK5uy_kZSWihYITz0xdD9NoyLkYGZuIOCKegvYQ&index=27start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 8 in F Major, Op. 93https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od6zQvvZDQ0&list=OLAK5uy_kZSWihYITz0xdD9NoyLkYGZuIOCKegvYQ&index=31start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 9 in D Minor, Op. 125https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jm4pLHSn2M&list=OLAK5uy_kZSWihYITz0xdD9NoyLkYGZuIOCKegvYQ&index=34https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kZSWihYITz0xdD9NoyLkYGZuIOCKegvYQLazy Saturday morning. Gonna get comfy, let this cycle play through.
>>128041986Even those on the right-wing have lots they can learn from those great thinkers. Maybe not Derrida so much but the others, certainly, essential reading in our postmodern age.
New Medieval drop, glorious Parisian Organum
>>128042039Nvm, this shit is fucking awful. Its like pseudo-spiritual normies interpreting Gregorian chant with a corny new age production.
/ourguy/, the devout catholic and mathematician and prematurely balding high test indiviual, Piotr "Mr. Norwood" Pawlak will be playing at the Chopin competition soonwill you tune in?
>>128025198alright, I feel like listening to a mixed program Chopin recording, so I'll check out your recommendation now, anonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Kam-KJ_Ms&list=OLAK5uy_mlnnUCrDloqapfO3E5oGgrP2hC5HnlWnc&index=1Still think it's weird how the Preludes are all jumbled up but let's see how it goes. I suppose the idea is to refresh the context so each piece can be reevaluated on their own terms.
>>128041657French can't write purely instrumental music unfortunately. They can pump out quality stuff only if there's a plot to be had, plot including women and preferably an affair. Otherwise French are not interested and it's always felt in their music.
Anyone else doing #NoDeadPerformers2025 ?
embarking on a new Beethoven piano sonatas cycle, this time by Yu Kosuge1, Op. 2-1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfC9maXsvIA&list=OLAK5uy_m66O2hcEVtudQGTzsUw2Hq452UXSLnzlg&index=22, Op. 2-2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_132fy0hTkI&list=OLAK5uy_m66O2hcEVtudQGTzsUw2Hq452UXSLnzlg&index=63, Op. 2-3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJnxwEKjMfU&list=OLAK5uy_m66O2hcEVtudQGTzsUw2Hq452UXSLnzlg&index=1016, Op. 31-1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMHh-u6he-M&list=OLAK5uy_m66O2hcEVtudQGTzsUw2Hq452UXSLnzlg&index=1417, Op. 31-2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZfhYaQdwCU&list=OLAK5uy_m66O2hcEVtudQGTzsUw2Hq452UXSLnzlg&index=1718, Op. 31-3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whi9ThVJd0s&list=OLAK5uy_m66O2hcEVtudQGTzsUw2Hq452UXSLnzlg&index=19Might concurrently listen to Fazil Say's cycle as well.
>>128042552>Aufbruch>Ɐnɻp𐑊ncμReally sums up the Beethoven sonatas doesn't it?
Can Asian musicians ever really understand classical music? For example, I've seen a surprising amount of Bruckner recordings and cycles by Asian conductors and orchestras (ex. Chinese, Japanese, Korean), but I've been super weary to give them a try, especially in that circumstance as Bruckner's music seems quintessentially European in spirit. That's just one example though. Thoughts?
>>128042609damn...
>>128042628After Negroes were exposed to Western music in America, almost none of them have become performers or composers in the Western tradiation; instead they invented Jazz. Meanwhile Asians have been moving into Western music since the end of WW2, almost a century ago now, yet all they do is perform the same old standard repertoire, and usually in the same way: focused on technique and vituosity. They haven't really made any artistic contributions that are truly new the way Jazz was.
>>128042750>yet all they do is perform the same old standard repertoireI've noticed Asians don't seem to be interested in modernism and anything after in the arts in general.
>>128042552Hmm, alright, this is pretty great so far. I'd recommend it to other anons here. The slow movements, like the 2nd movement in the 1st as well as the 2nd, are especially fantastic.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7GuzSYNRfI&list=OLAK5uy_m66O2hcEVtudQGTzsUw2Hq452UXSLnzlg&index=6Delicate, gorgeous sensitivity without becoming excessive and plodding.
Listening to Telemann.
>>128028564How do you see this?
>>128043134level 38 autism
>>128043134Desuarchives
>>128043134My assumption is they did this<----search the term/name on the archive and peep the number of results, which wouldn't take into account misspellings. The number here lines up pretty well.
>>128043150>>128043167>>128043168Thanks
Alexandra Papastefanou's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqmUn3Dgih0&list=OLAK5uy_nXZrYRnTHOmXSsccwZXvgIi3nSrOp-etE&index=47
Is really no one else here also extremely interested in and deeply enjoy exploring a wide array of recordings and cycles of Beethoven's piano sonatas? After a couple more cycles, I think I'm gonna start looking for and trying out singular, standalone recordings, the most common of which would be of the late sonatas, especially 30-32, a trio I've seen a lot from pianists who otherwise don't have any other Beethoven. Then there's some loose Hammerklaviers, maybe paired with the 28th. Rare is seeing a standalone of any of the others if they don't have a cycle or other Beethoven. Anyway, I bring this up because you can find some interesting interpretive approaches by pianists who don't have an overarching philosophy on how to play Beethoven, and instead just focus on and figure it out solely for a few select pieces. This gives them the freedom (freedom from context) to try out all kinds of intriguing and possibly unique ideas.
>>128043268About 80% of Beethoven interpretations sound the exact same to me, don't know why I should bother.
>>128043304Hmm, well, fair enough. I hope you come around some day.
>>128042283>butthurt G*rmanMarais is king, even Bach knew this.
>>128043091what are the essential works?
>>128043268For me, a wide array is something like 3 or 4 at most, especially when it comes to gigantic cycles such as Beethoven sonatas. You probably spend more time listening to music than most posters here, so I understand your struggle. lolI prefer to savour music for some time. I have a lot of dry periods when I just come here without listening to anything. But the music never leaves my mind.>>128043304This is also absolutely true. Modeen interpretations sound indistinguishable
>>128043268Are you going to create a write-up of your listening experiences? Surely you have separated the chaff from the wheat after listening to all those cycles.
>>128043423Tafelmusik & Paris Quartets.
If life is a tragedy, we should only listen to sad musicIf life is a comedy, we should only listen to happy musicI see it as a tragedy and it gets reinforced every time something bad happens. Why should I listen to happy music?
>>128043575that's it? >>128043577life is a tragic comedy, therefore listen to both
>>128043577this pobably sounds really deep if you're stupid
>>128043577Tragedy doesn't have a point without comedy. Contrast is needed and life is full of both.
>>128043587I'm stupid so explain it to me like I'm stupid. It's not that deep. How do I connect to happy music if it's not being honest with me? Do you see your life as a comedy?
>>128043600>happy music is dishonest?????????????>Do you see your life as a comedy?I don't try to fit my life into some theatre genre.
>>128043511Fair enough as well.>This is also absolutely true. Modeen interpretations sound indistinguishablePeep the Yu Kosuge above. Or from my favorite recent cycle, François-Frédéric Guy's,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyNsyUh4qNU&list=OLAK5uy_l0G4ysfxJaw5g1r-J3khIyjGjikSN1VTM&index=71>>128043542see<---also probably in that order as well. The Levit one requires more listens from me to determine if it's really one of my favorites, but I still think it's essential listening, to at least try.And that's just what I think the top-tier is. There's plenty of great ones beyond that which I think are absolutely worthwhile for those who are really into Beethoven and the piano sonatas.
>>128043622Actually, maybe I should swap out Levit's for Guy's... but that's veering more into favorites territory, and for an essentials group, Levit's belongs more.
>when its time for the daily reminder
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>>128043268>This gives them the freedom (freedom from context) to try out all kinds of intriguing and possibly unique ideas.yeah that's ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pVVD8wLdkMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMOTu4xV78Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBhgoIcbfM8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itAlVa-xS9U
>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>>128043665Thanks, I'll peep some later today.
>Your Romanticism>My Foot>Your Classicism>My FistI will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and ProkofievThat is all
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms>No Perotin or Medieval Music
List of great composers:BachMozartHaydnRavelMahlerStravinskySchoenbergShostakovichBartokBeethovenBrucknerChopinSchumannStrauss IIHindemithRegerBeegTchaikovskyBoulezBruchClementiProkofievList of bad composers:Ives
now playing, gonna revisit Tennstedt's LPO Mahler cycle on EMIstart of Mahler: Symphony No. 1 in D Major "Titan"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIl2qpCTmks&list=OLAK5uy_m-k5z53zVYHULbjL027LpwFhtwUHD1gtI&index=2start of Mahler: Symphony No. 2 in C Minor "Resurrection"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkG98Ffg8rc&list=OLAK5uy_m-k5z53zVYHULbjL027LpwFhtwUHD1gtI&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m-k5z53zVYHULbjL027LpwFhtwUHD1gtI
>>128043785>BrucknerIves doesn’t have to be so lonely down there
>>128043806Man, the opening of the first symphony puts a smile on my face every time. Pure joy, eager inspiration, and ardent hope for art, life, and the world.
>>128043613>I don't try to fit my life into some theatre genre.But I did eat breakfast today?
>>128043268This is a waste of time, alll this time you put listening to the same piece over and over again played by different people with very minor differences between, could be spent more profitably listening to entirely new pieces or composers
>>128044545You are very smart and based and redpilled. Have all my upvotes.
>>128042153Pawlak delivered with some rarely played pieces, to thunderous applause
>>128043586>that's it?7 and a half hours of music not enough for you? Alright: Essercizii musici, Concerts & Suites 1734, 36 keyboard fantasias, 12 solo flute fantasias.
>>128043785>Bruch>ClementiLol
>>128043586>>128044692Oh, and basically hundreds of other trio sonatas and concertos. So many combinations of solo instruments, but he's the supreme wind composer of the Baroque period, so any kind of wind instrument(s) concerto is already confirmed great before you've heard it.
>>128044578>different people with very minor differencesThis can be the difference between loving and hating a piece.>profitablyWhat do you mean by this?
>>128044615Thank you
>>128044709Bruch's Scottish Fantasy and Violin concerto (one of the FOUR big German ones) absolutely mogs though. And Clementi isn't bad at all.
>>128044838Give me recommendations for the Bruch pieces but I will not concede that Clementi isn't just a second rate Haydn/Mozart if Haydn/Mozart only composed for the keyboard.
>>128044864I'd start with the Scottish Fantasyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ai5aJRVaOo&list=OLAK5uy_klh4FQORYPOSFJIvOwWnX_q1OcRnsZgKI&index=4Then his violin concerto and some chamber musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODUM2fL2jZg&list=OLAK5uy_liI_-9574z0nfN1hHlRCXB2kf8OtAgAEo&index=7
Weren't the Beethoven sonatas originally written for home entertainment instead of concert performance? I wonder if there is a recording of them on an upright piano.
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>>128043849Does Scriabin's 1st symphony finale singing about 'supreme art: also put a smile on your face? It's a bit ridiculous to me.
Wagner.
>>128044578I've spent time listening to many of the lesser known composers, and after plunging the depths, I find myself, at this point in time, returning to the few greatest composers. Also, why is it whenever I bring up this topic people always assume I'm like forcing myself to listen to these pieces over and over? lol. It's more, hey I feel like listening to Beethoven's piano sonatas again today, but instead of listening to a recording I'm already familiar with, I'll try a new one this time.
now playingstart of Prokofiev: Violin Concerto No. 1 in D Major, Op. 19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1agI7i105M&list=OLAK5uy_kp46YvgowYi4PW7h9P-huBDiKU9dLALbA&index=2start of Prokofiev: Violin Concerto No. 2 in G Minor, Op. 63https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=000PusTnRlY&list=OLAK5uy_kp46YvgowYi4PW7h9P-huBDiKU9dLALbA&index=5start of Prokofiev: Sonata for Violin Solo in D Major, Op. 115https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA6KqkZbSSI&list=OLAK5uy_kp46YvgowYi4PW7h9P-huBDiKU9dLALbA&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kp46YvgowYi4PW7h9P-huBDiKU9dLALbA
Prokofiev's piano sonata no. 8 is a masterpiece amongst masterpieceshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzODV6moOE4
>>128043577you face obstacles and setbacks which you overcome if you're intelligent. you make progress like in a video game. i can cheer myself up just knowing that i own some studio equipment that most people could only dream of having or they don't even know that the equipment is useful even though they're ostensibly attempting to become music producers but they're just failing at pretty much everything so i can feel good about being superior to them. if you're stupid and you truly have nothing then i guess it would lead to misery.
I just discovered a genius technique for composing>put on masterpiece work>low volume enough to where you can't quite hear the melody/theme>your brain will automatically try and fill in the blanks of what it thinks the melody is>that melody will be both incorrect and an original idea>use melody in your own workvoila
AI Prompt: cleanup the fuckin' sound quality on this recordinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtszHOrP1ow&list=OLAK5uy_nHtFdzWlFTJK2Q_IB_kTgFdQidSZqqk04&index=43
>>128043785Nice try neurotic
>>128043785damn it's true. Ives might be the only 'major composer' whose works I just completely gloss over. I still haven't listened to his symphonies all the way through
>>128048181Then again, sometimes the hiss can be comfy, especially if you try and imagine you're listening on a radio just after the end of WW2. Yum.
great way to start a review>"We are healthy only to the extent that our ideas are humane." - Kilgore Trout>Chopin's music is truly humane. It has taken me several years of listening to really appreciate his music, but once the awareness takes place, everything changes forever.also this tidbit>You know, it has occurred to me that a serious listener to classical music should have more than one recording of a piece. The idea that there is one recording that is "best" is just silly. How can you possibly appreciate a piece of music unless you have explored the various perspectives, studied the different facets? In fact, I think I shall soon go get out my recording of Pollini's "rosette" recording and give it a listen.based
best Prokofiev sonata cycle?
>>128048463I'm still figuring out the answer myself, but if I had to give you an answer now,Male pianist: Raekallio (secondary: Bronfman)Female Pianist: Klinton (secondary: Anne-Marie McDermott)and this isn't an arbitrary or sexist distinction, there really is a significant different in the masculine and feminine approach to Prokofiev's music, much like with Scriabin's piano music (except with Prokofiev it applies to his non-piano work too).
>>128048509thanks, are there any standalone recordings of specific sonatas that you would recommend as superior to those found in complete cycles, to complement a cycle? For example, something like Richter’s recording of Sonata No. 6 or Gilels’ recording of Sonata No. 8? just an example, i still haven't familiarized myself with Prokofiev's solo piano music much yet.
>>128048586Eh, I'm probably the wrong person to ask on that because I'm a sucker for complete cycles lol. I'll almost always give the benefit to those who perform the work in a greater context, unless the standalone recording is so different and spectacular (eg Ugorskaja's late Beethoven or Giulini's Bruckner).That said, Richter has fantastic recordings of some of the Prokofiev sonatas that are definitely worth listening to. Ashkenazy and Osborne and Giltburg all have great (masculine) recordings of what are termed the War Sonatas (the 6th, 7th, and 8th). And then there's a delightful set of the first five by a lesser-known pianist named Alexandra Silocea.Are those better than the full cycles I recommended? No. Different, yes. Perhaps more... emphasized? I'm sure you get what I mean. And then you can find the 6th and 8th scattered throughout random recital recordings, like Yuja Wang has a famous recording of the 8th but I haven't heard it yet.
>>128048586>>128048664Yeah, unless I'm missing one, Richter has excellent recordings of the 2nd, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th.
What's crazy about Prokofiev's piano sonatas is the first time I got into and fell in love with them, I remember thinking "huh, this is what I'd imagine piano sonatas written today to sound like, if I had to guess" but they're 100 years old!
I need to get better about recognizing that if I'm having trouble listening through a recording without wanting the change it or do something else, the problem isn't necessarily my attention span at that moment, but maybe the performance just sucks
why is ravel the only one who sounds like actual music to me
>>128049272You'd probably be more into jazz, then.
>>128049272see>>128043662R*omantic music and Classishitism aren't music, it's awful dandy music with no sense of pulse compared to the likes of Bach, Marais, or Debussy. You have the right idea, maybe steer toward Stravinsky, Bartok, and Tailleferre
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnUmWfHji1o>This brilliant miniature, one of the last works by Wagner, is sometimes called Elegy. In fact, Wagner did not give it any name but tempo indication only. SCHMACHTEND, like for the prelude to Tristan.
>>128049368Your position just seems so backward... backweird, even. Hey, that's a good band name.
>>128049368>i like debussyI got news for ya, that means you like romanticism.
hey, wait a minute...
>>128049629Man I am not gay! I have relationships with Ravel and sex with Debussy.
what are Busoni's essential works besides the Piano Concerto?
>>128049368It's extremely ironic that you accuse those two of "dandy music" while Ravel was an actual dandy, kek.
>>128050258https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN38Nrefg7Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu-9frVpssg
now playingstart of Ravel: Gaspard de la nuit, M. 55https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtTk_7Q43aU&list=OLAK5uy_nPyDe6vZr75H_Ahg5lj7vJC8LJRqZ54T4&index=2start of Ravel: Sonatine, M. 40https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgKXzF-gZGM&list=OLAK5uy_nPyDe6vZr75H_Ahg5lj7vJC8LJRqZ54T4&index=5start of Ravel: Miroirs, M. 43https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbxnF4VqvfI&list=OLAK5uy_nPyDe6vZr75H_Ahg5lj7vJC8LJRqZ54T4&index=8Ravel: La valse, M. 72b (Version for Solo Piano)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pPLvufcFbc&list=OLAK5uy_nPyDe6vZr75H_Ahg5lj7vJC8LJRqZ54T4&index=12https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nPyDe6vZr75H_Ahg5lj7vJC8LJRqZ54T4One community reviewer states Osborne's playing here is "too cool," which doesn't bode well because I like my Ravel with a lot of warmth. Was gonna go with the Samson Francois set before this one. Oh well, we'll see.
>>128050473I am curious about people who like Ravel and like Baroque music as well. Seems two different styles of music , two different ways of looking at the world really
>>128050258Violin sonatas
>>128050583I'm actually not that big on Ravel. I absolutely do not get Gaspard de la nuit. But every now and then I make the effort, and I enjoy the overall vibe.
>>128050583Well, aesthetically it's very different but musically it's not *that* far off. Ravel was consciously drawing from Baroque forms. Even in other works, he's using the same kind of contrapuntal layering and rhythmic drive that you'd find in Couperin, Rameau or Scarlatti, just dressed in more modern harmony and color. Those folding, arabesque upper voices in Impressionism can be similar to Baroque line-work, they're just dressed in 20th century sonority.
i hear the pianist play ravel during a recital, i walk out
i see the audience member walk out during a recital, i take his seat
So if Samson Francois is the ultimate hiss pianist for Ravel, Debussy, and Chopin (yes, Cortot too), who's it for Brahms?
>>128050840lol don't know why this made me laugh as much as it did
>>128050843>Cortot tooForgetting somebody?
>>128050865>Forgetting somebody?I thought Ivan Moravec was implied, and his Chopin isn't really hiss. (I've no clue the pianist you posted)
>>128050843>Samson Francois is the ultimate hiss pianist for Ravel, DebussyWeird way of spelling Gieseking
It's crazy to look up musicians with seminal hiss classical recordings and you discover they died in the 21st century -- it's like, hello, can you record the damn pieces at some point!? but nope they didnt, or at most they might have an obscure BBC bootleg
>>128050843>died in 1970>hiss
>>128050901see >>128050898
>>128050896he is the King
>>128050877>I've no clue the pianist you postedStudent of Anton Rubinstein (who produced some of the greatest pianists from Lhevinne to Hofmann, even Tchaikovsky) and Chopin's favorite pupil, Mikuli, carrying the traditions of the 19th century romanticism. Koczalski's recordings of Chopin are the definitive, if there even is such a thing.
>mfw they have two versions of the same piece back-to-back on a recordingO_O
>>128050924Alright, I'll give some of his playing a sample, thanks.
francois recordings sound absolutely fine. a little tape hiss like every analog recording, but nothing to distract from the music. in fact, the concerto for left hand sounds amazing; great basses.
>>128050977There's an album with 7 volumes on youtube. Listen to as much as you can, especially the nocturnes, preludes, mazurkas, ballades and the berceuse, which is played on Chopin's favorite piano(an old Pleyel), in the tradition of Chopin:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVWm3Y4FBF8From his live concerthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcV3P6zS30Q
Samson Francois's Gaspard de la nuit is actually making it sound good to me, nicehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBX_6m8B0M4&list=OLAK5uy_n3c-E7HPXZdjO6OimhxO9hxA5-wZgHWhU&index=14
>>128051051>There's an album with 7 volumes on youtube.Yeah those were the ones I was browsing/looking at.
>>128051071He sometimes plays embellishments (Chopin-approved), most famously in 9/2 which will surprise youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW-VRsOeIwMAnd also I recommend his 48/1 (not in the album for some reason)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-VgyjLS3ok
>>128051110Thanks. And you think his performances are worth listening to beyond just historical curiosity?
>>128051066H E W I T TEWITThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsCw4Y8eytQ&list=OLAK5uy_nX41nekdsi1nmsbvmKbunWaXJj0Jng-yY&index=22
>>128051149Of course. His bel canto technique and voicing are almost unparalleled. Only a handful recorded pianists have similar techniques (Cortot, Hofmann, Rachmaninoff, Pachmann, Lhevinne etc.), and they still all sound wildly different! Koczalski is special and worth exploring and enjoying as much as any other great pianist. Listen to how he handles counterpoint https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UzUs3NjrHcOr rubato in 3rd balladehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blJO3ESyF_k
Isn't this bit just fucking beautiful? That slight delay(rubato), is chef's kisshttps://youtu.be/blJO3ESyF_k?si=gLL-1loGG_VpWK71&t=138
Initially I wasn't too impressed by Koczalski's 4th ballade, it's way too fast, but it clicked. His technique is just exquisite. One of the finest 4th ballades.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5bKJCeInYwEverything this man did is just perfect.
>>128051346>>128051538Sound quality ruins it for me, sorry
>>128051571You will appreciate it with time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVp5bNJ1_vw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjhOO14SmJMA nice collection of miniatures. I never thought of Tchaikovsky as a piano composer so I was surprised (pleasantly) when I came across this.
>>128051592My issue is I just can't believe with a composer as widely recorded as Chopin, there aren't modern recordings that suit your needs.
>>128051640Did you peep the new Trifonov Tchaikovsky album? It contains that Op. 39 and morehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXRZ7-2m6xI&list=OLAK5uy_kmQ5tchhUnSCEJIWUoAtuzNFsfClOM2pQ&index=39
>>128051690Well, once you listen to them and the modern recordings, you will hear the differences. I could point out those subtle differences measure by measure and explain it in detail, like I did several times, but ultimately you'll have to listen carefully and trust your senses. If you prefer modernist, sterile approach, I won't argue. I prefer authentic romanticism.
>>128051790Maybe I have too much faith in the later generations then. I'll take your word for it.
>>128051640How would you describe his piano music? I skimmed through this and it sounds like Schumann to me.
>>128051896Yeah it is rather similar to Schumann's Album, probably inspired by it. I'd say compared to Schumann it sounds a little lighter; Schumann always sounds a bit dense and sometimes even laborious to me, as if the pianist really needs to put in some effort to play all those notes. Tchaikovsky doesn't use as many contrapuntal lines and his "orchestration" is generally a bit more sparse, so his music sounds nimble in comparison.>>128051711This is very nice. I don't keep up much with the who's who of big name performers but I remember him from his excellent rendition of the Bach-Brahms Chaconne.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljb5MvKv0Hw
>>128051896>>128052009Tchaikovsky's most evident influence is Schumann. Then Mozart. He greatly admired his works
Bach's Art of Fugue is much better for falling asleep than his Goldberg Variations. At least on pianohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntTT75fiD2A&list=OLAK5uy_kKr75nty8-eD1pTcBjo1w6utZmFAgsqNM&index=1lights out by the end of this recording guaranteed!
>>128049341I am into jazz so you're right>>128049368thanks for the recs. I also like schubert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr1jfTy-c6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRGrrpUcdSY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71iUAFFQ8ik
what kind of classical would someone anti authoritharian listen to?
>>128052666anything "avant-garde"
>>128052732what do you like?
>>128043577I listen to sad music when I'm happy. Because when I'm sad there is usually irl stuff inseparably attached to it. However, when I'm happy, and I listen to sad music, it evokes sadness and maybe fright or anger - all these negative emotions - in a safe way, because I know, first, that they are caused by music - rather then the world (which is always messy), and, second, that I know that the music will end and I will be made whole again. This gives me catharsis and a safe, even pleasant way to experience these emotions. >>128052666Shostakovitch.
>>128052732are you implying that you have to have a strong respect for authority to be into classical in the first place?
>>128052766I'm not anti authoritharian [sic]
>>128052774It might not be necessary but it sure doesn't hurt.
Bumpmaninoff
Was listening to this on tidal, curious if anyone else has heard this recording before...
vol 2 of Yu Kosuge's Beethoven cycle9, Op. 14-1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFhgkYtaCBo&list=OLAK5uy_k7AWYHi_J3YXcvBk2ijMcM2sUAJFOF7Kw&index=210, Op. 14-2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYZdhJEXkXU&list=OLAK5uy_k7AWYHi_J3YXcvBk2ijMcM2sUAJFOF7Kw&index=524, Op. 78https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4pfqUEwemE&list=OLAK5uy_k7AWYHi_J3YXcvBk2ijMcM2sUAJFOF7Kw&index=827, Op. 90https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEkvy7b-dvQ&list=OLAK5uy_k7AWYHi_J3YXcvBk2ijMcM2sUAJFOF7Kw&index=1013, No. 27-1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzL7PRbmNpQ&list=OLAK5uy_k7AWYHi_J3YXcvBk2ijMcM2sUAJFOF7Kw&index=1214, No. 27-2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAeZHisWpBk&list=OLAK5uy_k7AWYHi_J3YXcvBk2ijMcM2sUAJFOF7Kw&index=1628, Op. 101https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEB4vRLO3Ug&list=OLAK5uy_k7AWYHi_J3YXcvBk2ijMcM2sUAJFOF7Kw&index=18
>>128053694Of course, Dorati's Mercury Tchaikovsky is *the* old school set. I haven't listened to them in ages, but when first getting into the ballets, absolutely. I'd say above all it's his The Sleeping Beauty which most holds up. The Orchestral Suites too.
>>128049629Its all the good aspects of romanticism minus the neuroticism. Its platonically ideal music even if the form isn't as solid as Corelli or Ravel. I also don't hate all Romantic music, just the more mainstream composers like Chopin, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, and Bizet. I admire Wagner, Franck, Chabrier, and the Russian 5.>>128049605When you understand Doctrine of affectations and the platonic ideal you will understand why my position isn't weird at all>>128050158I loled >>128050309He could write music, and that's all that matters>>128052253Try Debussy's late works as well, the etudes, late chamber works, The last piano pieces, and Jeux
>>128053761>When you understand Doctrine of affectations and the platonic ideal you will understand why my position isn't weird at allthanks schizo sister
>>128053753Any recommendations for The Orchestral Suites after I listen to The Sleeping Beauty?
>>128053770You're welcome axe wound, maybe becoming more plantonically moral you will undo the damage you did to your penis, and if not I'll help you buy a shotgun
>>128053782...anon, I already told you!
>>128053800Ahhh, Understood my bad.. Thanks anon.
>>128053807:p npRereading my post: all of Tchaikovsky's music holds up, I meant specifically of Dorati's recordings :p his The Sleeping Beauty is still one of the most acclaimed reference recordings, and his set of the Orchestral Suites are the only ones even worth listening to in the first place (provided you do want to listen to them, that is). To clear things up.
>>128053694>tidalnice try jay z
>>128053830Got it.I have been listening to classical music for quite sometime, Tchaikovsky has been one I come back to fairly consistently though I'm no stranger to others.But, I only have recently came to the revelation of just how different and important recordings can be. Recently came across the Dorati Mercury 24bit/96khz remaster of The Nutcracker and was blown away. I would usually listen to the Simonn Rattle Berlin Philharmonic recording over the years. But, I might start listening to both too. Currently listening to the Complete Suites right now, btw.
>>128053840I don't really have access to a comprehensive cd collection or anything, at least not anymore. Though I do have a fair collection stored locally on my drive.
>>128053886>But, I only have recently came to the revelation of just how different and important recordings can be.Ay, welcome to the club! Now you know we aren't just being obsessive, pedantic autists when discussing such matters.
>>128053970just teasing. I'm all for streaming. just didnt know anyone used tidal
>>128053886>>128053984also you might as well check out his recording of the symphonies if you're loving his Tchaikovsky
>>128053984>Ay, welcome to the club! Now you know we aren't just being obsessive, pedantic autists when discussing such matters.I'm usually a obsessive, pedantic autist about literally everything and have come to realize I have now become one with the differences in the recordings. Lol.>>128053995>just teasing. I'm all for streaming. just didnt know anyone used tidalDidn't realize it wasn't that common... Like I know spotify is probably the king of music streaming but thought tidal was gaining some traction... Albeit slowly.>>128054005>also you might as well check out his recording of the symphonies if you're loving his TchaikovskyI'll have to check it out. Thanks anon.
>>128054039>Didn't realize it wasn't that common... Like I know spotify is probably the king of music streaming but thought tidal was gaining some traction... Albeit slowly.eh I'm 90% sure the classical library among the big streaming services are all identical anyway, so doesn't really matter. people here use all stripes; spotify, apple classical, youtube music; you're just the first to mention tidal is all lol. added to the list
>>128052666impressionism or avant-garde modern classical
>>128054077>eh I'm 90% sure the classical library among the big streaming services are all identical anywayI don't know why, when I listen to a recording on tidal/local lossless, I tend to be able to hear small details I would otherwise have missed when listening to the same track on youtube/spotify...
>>128054097you forgot to add the pic of Adornorevolutionary music = revolutionary politics!!
>>128054130Default, non-premium YouTube Music is 128kpsNot sure if that applies to random videos if you turn the video quality up but I think so
>>128053739This honestly might already be one of my favorite modern/21st century cycles.
>>128052052goddamn, the real snoozefest there is Feltsman's playing. his Bach makes Schiff sound exciting and passionate. he plays like a teacher, which is probably because he is!
Abbado!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBq_6f2dx4E&list=OLAK5uy_km4wEU1Vo8EXIHJ7Pb1SII1H4YM59xraM&index=1
AI Prompt: mute the humming in Glenn Gould's recordingsalso damn he's lookin' /fa/ here
>>128054472bach was a teacher
>>128054743yes but not 'just'Feltman's Bach always sounds so didactic, like it belongs in a study textbook
So we tend to argue about whether a repeat is best observed or not. But here's a similar debate:Should there be repeats in the score in the first place, or are there better ways to reiterate musical material?
>>128054901Yes of course there should be repeats, which marks the end of a section (recap), and as time has shown, this is the most optimal method to make the music structurally comprehensible. You could say, and it would be quite accurate, that musical structures went through darwinian selection, and sonatas with repeats were selected for. I'm not sure what you're implying by "better ways to reiterate musical material", do you mean by variation? If so, that would defeat the purpose of repetition, which is to make us memorize material before moving into the development section. Is there any other alternative?
>>128055086b-b-but muh old masters ... muh romanticism ... muh hiss ... surely this is the greatest thing your ears have ever been blessed with?
now playingstart of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 35 "Funeral March"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbjunBC0jEA&list=OLAK5uy_lOXn2GLtkt6rytn-M-YI6qOiZDQli-qtU&index=2Chopin: Berceuse in D-Flat Major, Op. 57https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTA7TS8it0o&list=OLAK5uy_lOXn2GLtkt6rytn-M-YI6qOiZDQli-qtU&index=6Chopin: Ballade No. 1 in G Minor, Op. 23https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ6sQ4Y8phs&list=OLAK5uy_lOXn2GLtkt6rytn-M-YI6qOiZDQli-qtU&index=7Chopin: Nocturne No. 15 in F Minor, Op. 55 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bRJkHPkTGA&list=OLAK5uy_lOXn2GLtkt6rytn-M-YI6qOiZDQli-qtU&index=8Chopin: Nocturne No. 16 in E-Flat Major, Op. 55 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuPRoW1O2NM&list=OLAK5uy_lOXn2GLtkt6rytn-M-YI6qOiZDQli-qtU&index=9start of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 3 in B Minor, Op. 58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9PX6MLouaY&list=OLAK5uy_lOXn2GLtkt6rytn-M-YI6qOiZDQli-qtU&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lOXn2GLtkt6rytn-M-YI6qOiZDQli-qtUStrange that Lisiecki doesn't have a recording of these works. Also, I really like this community review,>There is deep vein of true romanticism running through Grosvenor’s veins.[...]>Surely many excellent pianists do this I hear you say. Yes they do, but each has their own mix and balance. Some (slightly too many for my taste) lean towards the cooler, more patrician end of the magic spectrum…Rubinstein, Pollini, Perahia for example. Some to the more wilfully interventionist…Pogorelich is a good example of this: a genius whose heart sometimes leads his head to the point where his musical vision becomes distorted.>But between these there lies a sweet spot where an unforced, naturally romantic spirit allows the music its freedom to fly unfettered from ego or cerebral will…for me Maria Joao Pires and Martha Argerich reside in that sweet spot. And with them is Benjamin Grosvenor. This disc effortlessly flies to the top of my Chopin 2&3 tree.
>>128055113lolHey, some of the other stuff I heard from Samson Francois in his gigantic Chopin set has been pretty solid. I guess that review on classicstoday which called the set interesting and uneven was spot on.
>>128055003>I'm not sure what you're implying by "better ways to reiterate musical material", do you mean by variation? If so, that would defeat the purpose of repetition, which is to make us memorize material before moving into the development section. Is there any other alternative?To take a page out of the concerto's book: utilizing a change in texture with what is essentially the same thematic material. Concertos tend to not have repeats and instead have the soloist repeat the material (Classical period concertos, I mean), you could definitely do that with different sections of the orchestra in a symphonic work as well.
today's music listening agenda: >bach's well-tempered clavier>bach's six keyboard partitas>bach's sonatas and partitas for solo violin>bach's cello suites>bach's mass in b minorwith option to add or substitute >bach's goldberg variations>bach's art of fuguewhen i first got into classical, i thought bach was a bit overrated, and that all of the "bach = god" statements were just memes and hyperbole. but no, at long last i see -- more importantly, i hear. i hear bach.
>>128052774You have to be into authority if you like Baroque.
w2c david fray's hair?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2TTqdX0B-w&list=OLAK5uy_npmB6XK4Mu6tnnRp4C2PHTcEmFWUaoqDM&index=7looking at his pics makes me wanna grow my hair out again so bad
>>128055395whoops forgot the imagealso annoys me when these great pianists put out a fantastic and unique set of a couple pieces from a longer piano cycle or collection -- what a tease! record all of the other keyboard partitas! and while you're at it, record an art of fugue and wtc too please. ya feel me? instead we only have this and his wonderful goldberg variations. excellent but i want more, especially because he's doing something different with his bach
>>128055268Oh, that completely makes sense. Yes, it should be a common practice IMO. Since it works for concertos, it should work for symphonies, in theory. Another way is to make the repetition more direct, and present themes compactly, without meandering variations and huge tranitions (not by omission, but shortening). That would probably take some effort and create other issues though.
>>128055431Well at least he chose the two best ones.
>Scriabin Recital poster hanging>Helena Blavatsky underpants on>Scriabin Etudes under pillowYep, time for bed!
>>128055972Did you peep it? Fantastic stuff, ye? and like i said, a tease
>>128056842For me, it's a poster of Karajan's Mahler 9, maybe Klemperer Mahler 2
>>128056842lol. I really would get that poster, it got me into classical. Didn't know classical could make me feel that way until I heard Sofronitsky's performances of Scriabin's Etudes and whatnot. Still makes my heart swell to this day.
>>128056842>>128057561and g'night RachAnon/ChoFan
>>128057445It's very nice yeah. Exquisite touch. I would prefer it ever so slightly faster, but I guess that would make it feel less intimate.
watching the NFL on mute while listening to classical :)
>>128057642this but League of Legends esports
>>128055431It's a catch-22 because if they were the type of person to record most of Bach's piano works, they'd have an entirely different, undoubtedly more faithful interpretation, but since they're the opposite, only into recording a select few, they have the interpretive freedom and contextual latitude to do something different.
>>128057577>RachAnon/ChoFanI'm sleeping to Berceuse in Db major op. 57 performed on pleyel actually, g'night tho
The first movement of Bruckner's 5th is so weird, everything in it is like a build-up to nowhere, over and over, even the main theme sounds like that. It works in the grand scheme of the symphony's architecture, but looked at in isolation, it's really quite bizarre and unique.
>tfw listening to extroverted, charming, love for life composers like Palestrina, Vivaldi, Chabrier, Borodin, Josquin and avoiding terminally composing, cuck shed musicians like Beethoven, Mahler, Bruckner etc.>my mood gets betterWhen did you do realize /classical/ that its better to be jovial clown than a moody incel? Why not add to the mood with truly happy classical music, than listening to misanthropic neurotics?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwfZxOFcjcA&list=RDdwfZxOFcjcA&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Hvdrf--V0&list=RDx6Hvdrf--V0&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YAzUC6LzNk&list=RD2YAzUC6LzNk&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n8XdKkrqgo&list=RD3n8XdKkrqgo&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyGlFisv7Ng&list=RDkyGlFisv7Ng&start_radio=1
>>128058036Happy music alone cannot fill the vastness of my soul.
>>128058069That's what Scriabin, Franck and Wagner are for, but for now delight with some bon bons, brie cheese, and wash it down with some burgundy Wine.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a9YgQbuowA&list=RD4a9YgQbuowA&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPdFj4PYh2Y&list=RDsPdFj4PYh2Y&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQbbvZfAQ2k&list=RDdQbbvZfAQ2k&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCDfqMqm7Xs&list=RDHCDfqMqm7Xs&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PSRWWBz61g&list=RD6PSRWWBz61g&start_radio=1
>>128058155But Wagner is the happiest composerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH7xl_fA1WY
What's that piece of fast, chaotic classical music they play in cartoons when one animal is chasing the other or they're fighting over something?
why is Bach's music so depressing?
i literally cannot get into Beethoven, too happy.
>>128060713whaaa
>>128060608Rossini's William Tell Overture?peephttps://www.mentalfloss.com/article/66672/15-pieces-classical-music-showed-looney-tunes
>>128060761I will say I haven't been liking Beethoven for nighttime listening lately.
>>128060768yeah, if you listen to the non-meme pieces they can get pretty sad.
>>128060804i will say my post mostly applies to his orchestral music, the Piano Sonatas and String Quartets are irreplaceable.
did you guys hear that Beethoven died? i wasn't ready for that. RIP
>>128060809Of course. I suppose I've spent too much of my time lately listening to his keyboard works and cello suites, and while some of them are sad, just as many are joyful and vivacious and playful and even saccharine.
>>128060796Not that one, it's one I always thought was flight of the bumblebee but it's not that
Night
>>128057640There's always interpretive tradeoffs. Hence the handiness and benefit to having multiple recordings of the same piece around.
>>128057561Based.
>>128060713He was sad because he was Baroque
Saw a post on /lit/ asking why the Western canon is so homoerotic, and whether there's a relationship between making good art and appreciating the beauty of the male form. Maybe there is. It would also explain why the late Baroque was the highest peak of music. Even if not all composers were gay, their looks and music certainly were, in both the new and old senses of the word. Men wore wigs, tights, heels, and the music was as pleasing to the ear as it was sensual and whimsical, yet also structurally, technically, and aesthetically complex, like infinite folds weaving through compressed time and space. The perfect fusion of pleasure and intellect.Enjoy this piece by Telemannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbxyTa4gfbk
>>128061060https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0nah idk what you're on about
>>128062620the entire western canon is built on the story of a guy getting so mad his best friend/lover got killed he decides to kill as many people as possible to end a decade old war in like a day.if not homoerotic then at least it requires a capacity to appreaciate a strongly emotional, same-gendered human bond.
I need some help choosing my Halloween costume. I was thinking either Yuja Wang or James Levine. Help!
>>128064010levine in a yuja wang dress.
>new job forced me to wake up at 6:30Mozart for this feel?
I have been listening to Lohengrin obsessively these last few weeks, it is making me experience reveries. I unconsciously find myself humming the aria, it is as if the music has absorbed me inside itself, this "dreamy", "satisfying", "thirst-quenching" sequence - https://youtu.be/gcfxxtl4KLw?si=pm7xEKbzVJqFsdHG&t=421 Wagner has hypnotized me. He has made an asexual withdrawn man pregnant with happiness.
>>128064616Requiem
>>128041857>debussy
>>128063610True.
>>128041465I'll listen to three music pieces recommended by anons in replies to this post and will give my impressions of them. Anything goes but preferably below 1 hour please.Currently listening to Danse macabre by Camille Saint-Saëns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6TPgwy-nRk
>>128065133https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMs8K9sZ2Qg
>>128065133https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAawLHi9ahk
>>128065133https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2xQodIz01s&list=OLAK5uy_lgVzHhxfdv3NXjHGu_2cb1jEuh7RdahIQ&index=33
Oh Monday
>>128065138Some parts, I feel, are similar to Bartok's Piano Concerto No 3. It's interesting that Bartok's compositions almost always sound like they would be fiendishly difficult to play - and they usually are. I think I liked the last, sixth dance the most. Others felt like virtuosity for virtuosity sake, or training as the case might be here. >>128065162I liked how many different melodies are there. Felt like at least three different pieces mashed together, yet it seems to work. Scriabin doing his own thing as usual.>>128065194Listened to it before, many times. Even heard it live one time. Rachmaninoff and piano is a winning combination, honestly. Not my favorite Rachmaninoff piece, but certainly a pleasure to listen to.Why are all three pieces piano pieces? What a coincidence.
>>128065788>Listened to it before, many timesHere's another, if you want a 3rd piece then:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghzevma-nyA&list=OLAK5uy_l1y2Kl2kImDWiAoACBe95ubnSsj0tuiOE&index=2Just the 2nd movement, or the entire symphony>Why are all three pieces piano pieces? What a coincidence.>he doesn't know
>>128062620Sounds very Jewish desu, like modern academia making the Greeks out to be pederasts and misintrepting platonic love between a man and a young boy. Hyper emtional Negro music isn't any better in that regard either>>128063610>t. Moishe Murderchildrensteinowitz
>>128065788The sixth dance is my favorite as well. Funny how that works. Henle rates these as as 7/9 difficulty, comparable to an easy Chopin Etude. I think Bartok intended them for concert performance as "graduation" pieces.
now playingfirst four pieceshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqa3VT3vzmA&list=OLAK5uy_m9Qt3hWF7DRpdWgODvMlvlJBP1jDfY8W0&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jbRaqDu2hk&list=OLAK5uy_m9Qt3hWF7DRpdWgODvMlvlJBP1jDfY8W0&index=3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXzkcGHSxM&list=OLAK5uy_m9Qt3hWF7DRpdWgODvMlvlJBP1jDfY8W0&index=4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_4iIN66yCk&list=OLAK5uy_m9Qt3hWF7DRpdWgODvMlvlJBP1jDfY8W0&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m9Qt3hWF7DRpdWgODvMlvlJBP1jDfY8W0>Described by Kirill Gerstein as "one of the most towering mountain peaks of the piano literature", Liszt's Transcendental Etudes can be seen as a distillation of the mid-19th century romantic project, like sounding images of romanticism's nervous system, its otherworldly experiences, and its spirituality. For this new recording for myrios classics, Gerstein has looked to the word "transcendental" as the key to interpreting Liszt's monumental cycle. Going beyond the mere technical mastery required to play the pieces, Gerstein interprets the many ways in which Liszt goes beyond the usual through his depictions of the ghostly, visionary and the impressionistic. Gerstein also explores the relationship between the etudes in order to reveal the dramatic arc of the set when played in one go.>The multifaceted pianist Kirill Gerstein has rapidly ascended into classical music's highest ranks. With a masterful technique, discerning intelligence, and a musical curiosity that has led him to explore repertoire spanning centuries and styles, he has proven to be one of today's most intriguing and versatile musicians.
feels like a Pastoral morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3TLTm8ElsI&list=OLAK5uy_lRQibHma5ggwFNNnCfOOBUP9X6vOwbl9M&index=6
I wonder if Chailly will record another Bruckner cycle at some point. I like his RCO one overall but he's capable of more, and I think he knows it.
>>128062620The female form is the summit of visual art.
Would you say Bruckner's 7th is GOAT?
>>128066163No, the second half is comparatively weak.
>>128057561>Still makes my heart swell to this daysounds painful
>>128066184Okay, is the 7ths adagio the GOAT?
>>128066228Yeah, the first two movements are out there. If the first two movements were isolated as a symphonic tone poem, it'd be the GOAT of that form no doubt.
Gulda!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDjMFkOGwuQ&list=OLAK5uy_lTU7Y20sUpDXE89qyYXe1wXCT1xufESCI&index=16The style of performance in this WTC goes against almost all of my usual preferences, yet there is something that occasionally and vigorously draws me to it.
>>128064616Is that zero VN good or just a cashgrab? I think S;G had a good ending.
>>128066278it's slop, nowhere near as good as the original
>>128066163I personally hate most of Bruckner, so no
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSyZFMgsOkg&list=OLAK5uy_mubCqTIAmfVJd3UbhLgB27L1b7eR79hOc&index=3
>>128066290:O -> >:(
>>128066269I feel much the same way about sexual intercourse with negroid women.
>>128066304I don't know what it is about this part but it always gets stuck in my head
Stupid fun: rank the 9 symphonies, others will try to guess the composer
Similar note, is anyone here a fan of Gould's recording of Bach's WTC?
>>1280663539>8>7>6>5>4>3>2>1
>>1280663532 > 4 > 6 > 5 > 1 > 8 > 9 > 3 > 7+9 > 8 > 6 > 5 > 7 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1this one is only slightly intentionally ambiguous, hehe
>>128066309His music just sounds like it's trying to be dynamic and moving but instead is fragmented and halting
>>128066375BeethovenBut you're probably joking>>128066393MahlerBeethoven
>>128066411That's fair. I've heard it described as instead of a progressive trip up a mountain, it's a trip where you constantly stop and take in every detail of that particular spot and view.
>>128066432nopeand that's a possible answer
Good listening plan for solo piano music: listen to 4 Preludes and Fugues from Bach's WTC, then listen to two of Beethoven's piano sonatas, then back to Bach and repeat.
>>128066454>nopeNot Mahler? Damn, I thought it was too obvious even
>>128066466what kind of pleb you take me for, thinking I'd rank Mahler's 2nd as his best!?answer and>mfw
>>128066432was I joking? yes. but I had actually Dvorak on my mind, but honestly don't care for anything before his 7th symphony to even rank them properly.
>>128066466>>128066477the second one is Mahler, funnily enough, but was supposed to be applicable to Bruckner and Beethoven to add a lil' ambiguity
>>128066353Funny enough, there actually IS a composer whose cycle you could legitimately rank >>128066375>caption: Orson Welles' doppelganger
>>128066477>>128066489Well, people usually love the 2nd the most, even Dave I think, although I know you don't, I still went with Mahler because it just fits lol
>>128066507RVW's London Symphony my good man
>Bach Das Wohltemperierte KlavierOld Testament of piano music>Beethoven SonatasNew Testament of piano music>Chopin EtudesSaint Augustine' Confessions of piano music>Liszt Trancendental EtudesCity of God of piano music>Rachmaninoff Etudes-TableauxSumma Theologica of piano music
>>128066523I really like his 3rd, it's modal, so unique and lovely, will check out his 2nd.
>>128066557>nothing past Beethoven matterssounds about right
>>128066557What is the On the Origin of Species of classical
>>128066557>not Chopin's Nocturnes>not Liszt's Annees de pelerinage or Harmonies poetiques et religieuses I appreciate the effort tho, very based
>>128066564Holy pleb
>>128066573Debussy's Preludes
>>128066587Debussy confirmed the most important composer of the western classical music?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg85UbIJgZ4
>>128066597>dePussy>the prime mover of men and historyalways was, fren
>>128066609Then why are you still a virgin
>>128066437That's an interesting way to look at it. I'll try to keep an open mind next time I'm listening to Bruckner.
>>128066586>"pleb"proving my point
>>128066557More like>>Chopin Etudes>Talmud of piano music>>Liszt Trancendental Etudes>Quran of piano music>>Rachmaninoff Etudes-Tableaux>Book Of Mormon of piano musickidding, I like those pieces. But stop being so pretentious and equating everything with everything else
I have been listening to the Seventh Symphony obsessively these last few weeks, it is making me experience reveries. I unconsciously find myself humming it, it is as if the music has absorbed me inside itself, this "dreamy", "satisfying", "thirst-quenching" sequencehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCkO-GbPLnkB.
>>128067151Genuinely happy for you, fellow B. fan
The Apex of Art.The Brightest of Baritones.The Caster of Comfort.The Dionysus of Delusions.The Elater of Ecstasy.The Forth-Bringer of Fantastic-Fantasies.The Grandest of Giants.The Height of Heroism.The Inventor of Ideas.The Juggler of Jubilation.The Knight of Knowledge.The Love of Listeners.The Master of Music.The Nirvana of Nobles.The Oasis of Optimists.The Poisoner of Peons.The Quester of Quixotic.The Rattler of Romance.The Symbol of Serenity.The Tactful of Tranquility.The Up-lifter of Unbeaten.The Visionary of Vibrance.The W.The X-Factor of Xenophiles.The Yay of Youths.The Zing of Zion.Bruckner.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC0Y7DnEFGo
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcx4Qecsl5A&list=OLAK5uy_nz0XWqtFq7IwqTyZH-BESvL6Ckd3eZcdM&index=6
>>128067229>>128067151Bruckner is actually good, this meme will never take off because nobody would possibly disagree with it.
>>128067259It is mainly the fact that W. posting is partially due to the cult of personality spawned by Wagner's hubris. Bruckner is the exact opposite and was extremely humble, even insecure. Guy is the complete opposite of Wagner in his personality, while Wagner was cucking literal royalty and eventually having that royalty calling him a "superior being", Bruckner was noncing all over the place, trying to get a young girl to be his wife and being rejected every time.Really, there's a bit of Bruckner in all of us. I think that is why his music speaks to the modern /classical/poster more than wagner's does which is brazen and filled with hubris.
>be me>listen to first 4-to-10 preludes and fugues of X set of Bach's WTC>"hmm, feel like listening to something else, let's take a break and come back to it later">later>feel like listening to a different WTC set for whatever reason, eg different mood, feel like the other will better hit the spot, or want to try a new one>listen to first 4-to-10 preludes and fugues again>feel like taking a break again>repeat, repeat>end up listening to the first 4-to-10 preludes and fugues a thousand times for every one time of the second half of the bookI gotta fix this!!!
>>128065873>uhm the Greeks weren't pederasts!!! that's just (((modern academia))) lying!!
>>128066557New testament of piano playing is Bruckner transcribed for pianohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeCek-V7lXEB.
>>128067307oh, and>eventually do get around to returning to that original X set>hmm, y'know, I want the full context, so let's start from the beginning again>take a break after 4-to-10 preludes and fugues yet again>cycle repeatsahhhHHHHhhhhh!!
>>128062620>It would also explain why the late Baroque was the highest peak of music. Even if not all composers were gay, their looks and music certainly were, in both the new and old senses of the word. Men wore wigs, tights, heels, and the music was as pleasing to the ear as it was sensual and whimsical, yet also structurally, technically, and aesthetically complex, like infinite folds weaving through compressed time and space.Good job being a retard and projecting modern gender norms onto the past
Speaking of Bruckner, I'd always been told that the performance of the 5th in the Blomstedt/Gewandhaus cycle was mediocre and one of the main weak spots in the set so I've always avoided it. Today I finally decided to give it a chance, and it's actually pretty good. Great? I'm not sure yet, but definitely good and worthwhile.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM9mBojSRwU&list=OLAK5uy_lfO0D9nEkr5K3Y2guLjYSdcJG2JqDLlyE&index=19
>>128067327Am I really gonna have to post it? *sighs* Fine, fine.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNAT4ybsz_E
>>128067350Good job being an even bigger retard and missing the obvious tongue-in-cheek take on the /lit/ post
>>128062620aesthetic post
>>128067410Yeah, I'm DEFINITELY going to watch an hour long youtube video from a literal who, you gargantuan faggot, KEK
Can we talk about how classical composers helped to create and shape jazz?>Claude Debussy influenced jazz through his use of unconventional harmonies, scales, and rhythmic freedom, which broke from classical tradition and laid a foundation for jazz. His innovative use of extended chords, modes, pentatonic scales, and parallel motion resonated with jazz musicians like Duke Ellington and Miles Davis, offering them new harmonic and melodic possibilities. Jazz artists have directly incorporated his work, either by adapting his pieces or drawing inspiration from his atmospheric and impressionistic style.
>>128067454As you can see in the art, they were clearly friends!
Yeah, I'm DEFINITELY going to listen to an hour long symphony from a literal who, you gargantuan faggot, KEK
>>128067505But Bruckner isn't a literal who, anon...
>>128067476No
>>128067476>>128042750Which contemporary composer should Asians listen to in order to finally create their own style of music?
Okay I'll bake
>>128067671>>128067671>>128067671
You will conduct a pilgrimage to Bayreuth.You will go to "his" grave.You will offer your respect. You will place white lilies near his grave.
