Karlheinz Stockhausen Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxLMtP8ejKAThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenprev: >>128067671
>Stockhausen editionI am posting.
>>128080872And we shall find out if I made a mistake...
Stock housing essential works?
speaking of Chopin, now playingstart of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH_T7oSVcDI&list=OLAK5uy_n01kZ77ZSuBf7rkScZir5bZYFJz2IJ4c0&index=2Chopin: Nocturnes, Op. 48: No. 2 in F-Sharp Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGWfVlLk3gs&list=OLAK5uy_n01kZ77ZSuBf7rkScZir5bZYFJz2IJ4c0&index=6start of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 3 in B Minor, Op. 58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-Ah_otPS0&list=OLAK5uy_n01kZ77ZSuBf7rkScZir5bZYFJz2IJ4c0&index=7Chopin: Barcarolle in F-Sharp Major, Op. 60https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18KrcGBxR48&list=OLAK5uy_n01kZ77ZSuBf7rkScZir5bZYFJz2IJ4c0&index=10https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n01kZ77ZSuBf7rkScZir5bZYFJz2IJ4c0>Rafal Blechacz has been deeply associated with the music of Fryderyk Chopin across his whole career. His devotion to the music of his great compatriot began long before 2005 when he won the Warsaw Chopin Competition. "I learnt both sonatas while still in my teens. Now I think it was the right moment to go to the studio and record this programme. I didn't want to wait any longer." - Rafal Blechacz.I'm still on the search for my favorite recording(s) of Chopin's piano sonatas. Hopefully this one is a winner.
>>128080916>Chopin's piano sonatas.No.2: RachmaninoffNo.3: CortotIt's simple really.
>>128080924>No.2: RachmaninoffIs that piano roll?Do you have any modern favorites, RachAnon?
>>128080931not that anon but my favorite is Gilels for both
>>128080911non, he sucks
>>128080940why? i like this piano piece OP posted, sounds a little like Messiaen
>>128080951>why?too much avantgarde foolery
>>128080911I don't listen to Stockhausen, but what I would do is go herehttps://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996and then ctrl+f 'stockhausen' and see what comes up, and if any do, those can be safely said to be essential. It probably won't be comprehensive but surely a good start, leading you in the right direction.
>>128080939I do love me some Gilels. Didn't know he had any Chopin but I suppose I should have figured.
>>128080931No. Listen to that funeral march (the reprise) and the finale is unlike anything else, and the rest obviously, it's something only Rach could do. Or has done at least. Horowitz and Godowsky are good also.>>128080939Yeah Gilels is good. Rach is over the top good for 2nd.
>>128081009>it's something only Rach could dowell, he did have an unfair advantage.
>>128081009>No.If you have the time and inclination, you should give the Blechacz one I posted a quick sample. It may suck, I'm not vouching for it since I haven't heard it obviously, but yeah, you never know.
>>128080916So this guy won the Chopin Competition in '05, and this recording came out in '23. 18 years. So that means in 2043, whoever wins this year might be releasing a similar album that will be posted here. Interesting to think about.
>>128081037Sure why not. It probably won't suck though lol, piss label is actually good.>>128081036True
Listen to that smooth ascend into forte. And then descend back.https://youtu.be/HdTX6RdI1zc?si=ZaMdow2aln6zZWZY&t=59It's unbelievable the command he has over the instrument. That bit sounds almost dreadful. In a good way. Compare it to any other version.
Third time's the charm.
:-D
What are some good Chopin pieces to listen to while having sex?
>>128081437Cello sonata
>>128081437Raindrop Prelude, thrust with the beat
James Tenney
>>128081437Sonata No. 2
I've heard and digested the 1st and the 5th and have listened through the 4th. So far my favourite movements are 5.1+2, 1.3+4, and 4.1. The second half of 4 felt way too cheery for my tastes, I like drama and hysterics. Which symphonies do I go for next?
>>128081437I don't know about Chopin, but I've fucked to Korsakov's Scheherazade, shit's dope
>>128081943The 8th is his best.
>>1280819436th obviously. Then 9th, then rest.
>>128081943Just go in order from that point imo. 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
>>128082099He'll quit before he can digest the 3rd. I still can't.
>>128080916chopin is boring ;/
>>128081437Lemon Incest aka Étude Op. 10, No. 3, unironically
>>128082731>Lemon IncestWhat??
https://youtu.be/2F843eLg07cPlease acknowledge Villa-Lobos please.
>>128081437>listening to chopin>having sexthat is reserved to Scriabin chads only, sorryin that case, poem of ecstasy and 10th sonata
>>128082772mm okayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mljkIfLGhCU&list=OLAK5uy_la2MeOSa2-HFEDd0IMr7Pj9tT8tR2Kg7E&index=5
>>128082802Based Scriabin chad, the middle sensuous works are also great for kissing and feeling up a bitch as well
>"Anyone who knows how difficult it is to play harmonic modulations and good counterpoint on the lute will be surprised and full of disbelief to hear from eyewitnesses that Weiss, the great lutenist, challenged J.S. Bach, the great harpsichordist and organist, at playing fantasies and fugues.">*blachs your path*>nuthin personnel Was there a more chad composer in existent?
>when its time for the daily reminder
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>Your Romanticism>My Foot>Your Classicism>My FistI will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and ProkofievThat is all
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms>No Perotin or Medieval Music
>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold
Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shitBelow is a list of acceptable Romantics:FieldChabrierFranckTarregaWagner*Any of the Russian 5GriegAlkanLate Beethoven
NO MOZARTNO CHOPINNO MAHLERALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIETHIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!SONATA FORM SHOULD DIEONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEATWHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITEBACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER
I kneel
Chopin complete Etudes best recording?
How did he do it bros? How come organ sounds like complete fucking shit after Bach only for this Flemish saint to bring it back from the dead? And why does it sound so awful after him aside from Vierne, Jongen, Durufle, and a handful of Messiaen pieces where he isn't spazzing out like a modernist autist?
>>1280838692nd best Chopin Nocturnes recording
>>128083894?
What does /classical/ think of recordings by the Tokyo Kosei Wind Orchestra? I have a bunch of CD rips here.https://gofile.io/d/ikSkH0
>>128083869https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAVVMjLWjks
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IimY_LP8VYY&list=OLAK5uy_npRU6ykx5j7UglQH5c8N_4knOX3cuZkEY&index=2>Among his piano roll recordings is a performance of Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 12; he annotated this recording to suggest that it was how he had heard Liszt play it. cool
>>128083930anything from the 60s or later?
>>128084437https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqVsQ2nKBpcor just get the samson set i guess
>>128083877What about Bruckner's organ music?
>>128080852Gesang der Junglinge or Kontakte, /classical/?
>>128084569i like Cziffra's Liszt, didn't know he did Chopin's etudes
>>128084331Which Liszt student is that?
>>128083869>>128084437There are hundreds of recordings of them, many many good ones. Anyway, if you like fast, Yunchan Lim; if you like slow, Jan Lisiecki; and if you want middleground, Pollini, Ashkenazy, or Perahia. Take your pick, and enjoy!
>>128085192>The pianist who recorded a performance of Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 12 and claimed it was how he had heard Liszt play it was Bernhard Stavenhagen, a Wikipedia article states. He was Liszt's last pupil, and this piano roll recording from 1905, which is preserved as a valuable historical document, included an inscription suggesting it was performed "as played by Liszt," according to MusicWeb International and a YouTube video.
Actually, forget Mozart, I'm gonna go through my Chopin obsession phase.
>>128083877>Flemish saintCesar Franck is wallon, don't ever call him flemish you pillock
>>128083877I like most of the French Notre Dame school following Franck.
Damn, the Pichon hype is actually deserved unlike most critical fixations. One of the best Vespers recordings I've heard.
>>128086865That's what I've been sayin'! Glad you liked it. Now to check out the rest of his wonderful "third way" style recordings.
now playingstart of Chopin: Nocturneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3b8xtQKYiY&list=OLAK5uy_l28sAu2WSXQH6xxfn31xCP2ov5LXaZwuA&index=1https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l28sAu2WSXQH6xxfn31xCP2ov5LXaZwuA>A graceful and charismatic performer, Fliter is known for her effortless technique and thoughtful, sensitive music-making; every performance is deeply personal and full of freshness and poetry, perfect for exploring Chopin's masterful Nocturnes. Chopin composed his Nocturnes throughout his creative life and succeeded in both elevating and popularizing the form. His inspirational and original style, evident from even his early works, grew and matured to create an epic collection of gorgeously melodic piano music. Fliter included a tantalizing taster of this new album on her Preludes recording, adding Nocturnes Op. 9 No. 3 and Op. 27 No. 2 to round off the performance, which had several critics hungry for more. Her Preludes album was named 'Recording of the Month' by Gramophone, which also named it among the top 10 Chopin performances ever recorded. On this new recital Fliter delights us with characteristically insightful interpretations of which showcase both the sensitivity of her playing and the poetry of the composer's music.This is one of those mixed order recordings of the Nocturnes -- most go chronologically, but that can sometimes result in the pieces becoming a bit contextually stale, so by mixing it up, you can get the pieces heard in new and fresh ways. The main benefit is the usual opening, No. 1 in B-flat minor, Op. 9 No. 1, is a bit tired, but again, placed in a different spot, it gains a new source of life. That's the idea, anyway. I certainly was glad not to hear it immediately when I pressed play.
thoughts on Stephen Hough's recording of the Chopin Nocturnes?i think they are probably the best modern recording.https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxV6VwFCe969zVpmG7aftc9Xyg7qw0JSQ&si=ryUZNq5HxG1g8KcX
>>128087307>>128087305sp00ky>i think they are probably the best modern recording.It's certainly up there. Hough is always, always worth listening to. If I were stranded on a desert island and his was the only recording of the Nocturnes I had, I certainly wouldn't be upset.
>>128087313yeah i saw that post show up as i was typing my post, i thought it was weird as well.but yeah, everything i've heard from Hough has been very good, i think favorite Nocturnes are still Arrau, but these are great.
Definitely one of the best recordings of the first two movements of this symphony. I'd say my favorite final movement is still Szell'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pvcpPbmyvw
>>128082802Based.
buncha' cheap bastards removing Szeryng's set of Bach's Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin from YouTube Music. I mean I downloaded it, but still, it's weird
>>128087484It's pretty great, yeah. I'll admit though, I'm such a sucker for the 8th, that any performance of it at minimum sounds good to me
