Scriabi's Diner editionhttps://youtu.be/rHsM988bzuMThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>128106037
I was put on this earth solely to listen to Mozart
japonism, not orientalism
Speaking of Hurwitz, he just did>The 12 Greatest Classical Melodists of All Timehttps://youtu.be/lS5t3TdAp84?si=u2H33PZYG-ivpJjJHis every word is true. This is the official /classical/ list of greatest melodists:HandelMozartSchubertChopinTchaikovskyJohann Strauss IIGriegBizetVerdiDvořákPucciniProkofievKneel
>>128120150You were put on this earth solely because two dumb people fucked with no protection and then were probably coerced into not having an abortion
>>128120176>Speaking of Hurwitz--
>>128120184says the Messiah
>>128120184that's HOW, not WHAT FORthat all happened so that I could listen to Mozart
>>128120219>that's HOW, not WHAT FORYou're absolutely right. You were put here for no purpose at all. You're "what-for"-less. No meaning, no mission, no destiny, no fate, no justification. Only pointless chance. Anyway, good listening.
Reminder that Super Mario Galaxy is classical it was in some chart
>>128120218That's right, I AM the Messiah! Now, fuck off!
>Scriabin's Dinner
>>128120260The Messiah is humble.
>>128120275You don't get to tell the Messiah how the Messiah is, pharisee.
>>128120277The Messiah loves even his greatest enemies.
>>128120159>>128120266Looks pretty good. Scriabin had an awesome taste for food.
>>128120275I'm humbly telling you to fuck off>>128120291I love you, who are my enemy. Now fuck off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo-H3diRRLENotker Balbulus and beforeAnders Hillborg and afterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28gDrKkBStE
>>128120381No
>>128120318Certain anons are annoyed by the Messiah
>>128120415the Messiah is not annoyed by certain anons
>>128120430>Is there a better feeling in this world?Scriabi's Diner
>>128120434True
thanks for proving Mozart haters are all autistic
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and ProkofievThat is all
>>128120470Don't conflate spazzing retards with autistic people please
yes we get it you wanna be a little girl
>>128120483What's the difference?
>>128120515>>128120515Autistic people can contribute to society and are often quiet
>>128120630Demonstrably false; don't flatter yourself
>>128120140who is Sxarp's favorite composer?
>>128120724no idea who that is, based on her physiognomy I'd say Schumann
Just so we're clear:Symphonies, Rêverie, Sonatas & Vers La Flamme: AshkenazyPiano Concerto: Postnikova+RozhdestvenskyOp 54: Urban Agnas+Leif Segerstam Op 60: Argerich+AbbadoSymphonic Allegro: Moscow Philharmonic+Golovschin2 Piano Fantaisie: Ponti+LeonardiScherzo & Andante for string orchestra: Hamburg Strings+Preyss-BatoEverything else piano solo: Dmitri Alexeev
>>128120737>>128120724it's clearly Sxriabincaptch: 4N8GP
>>128120754>no Sofronitsky>not Muti for the symphonies>no Zhukov>no Richter>not even Horowitztry again sweaty
>>128120737>based on her physiognomyspeak on that
>Horowitzmore like Horrorwitz
>>128120505>>128120489>>128120474>>128120460>>128120444>>128120430>>128120413>>128120381kek
>>128120724Mozart or Haydn would definitely match her ojou-sama taste the most
>>128120783>no Sofronitsky>no Zhukov>no Richter>not even HorowitzThat's right! All great choices, but superseded.>not Muti for the symphoniesMuti? Over Ashkenazy?? Come on, anon, let's be serious here.
This is great, sisters! You should get it. Rubinstein is one of the best Chopin performers. 1/2
>>128120839>Rubinstein is one of the best Chopin performersNo.
>>1281208392/2
>>128120850Forgot to say, it's on RuTracker.
>>128120839he is good for the Nocturnes, Sonatas, and some other works, but there are better, it is probably one of the best Chopin box sets.
>>128120898>probably one of the best Chopin box sets.but not THE best
>>128120910i like the Arrau one
Ahem.
There's a german spa town called Bad Orb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeYOJB0T1mI
>tfw no sperg gf (male) who hates everything between Bach and IvesToo bad I love Romanticism. Anyway, here's a few favorites of mine relevant to the thread:https://youtu.be/gySeiqAQCKo?si=sq8w6CGwwcbBO411https://youtu.be/SBngNSb-flQ?si=UxmVFQDn_1UYInOThttps://youtu.be/k9BZWNBFV1U?si=RNbR7mpqF7KEwrYjhttps://youtu.be/Rpbd5G46zhY?si=dAVX3V2SS0eOrkzL
>>128120934Ah yes, it's always nice to hear some relaxing spa music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QjodlxRxa8
>Arrau
>>128120952https://youtu.be/75MpZ4hR6Ok?si=v-CDmzTkOh7XpU_C
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5P6iS8uEPM&list=OLAK5uy_mIlNUkpTigqopZSvSJ6CdbhhMrsJzyRgM&index=57
Chopin? Cortot, Koczalski, Hofmann, Rachmaninoff, Horowitz.
>>128120958I love that that parody is more complex, imaginative and engaging than the piece it parodies
Yes i like Bach on the synth im sorry but I just had to come out and say it
>>128121949Post it.
10/10
can we all agree that Mahler is trash?
test.
>>128122230Only if we agree that all music is trash, then yeah, maybe.
Mahler is basically just Post-Rock but worse, fake classical.
>>128121009I will find you and I will kill you.
I just got a two boxes of classical CDs for 5 dollars, digging through all of them is going to take awhile. Most of them are Deutsche Grammophon. Nobody else wanted them.
>>128122230He's pretty great but with a few clunkers which stand out due to how small his oeuvre is.
>>128122329how is it fake?
>>128122470because i say it is
>>128122405Go ahead, I'll wait. I'm in no way attached to life.
>>128122329>>128122329Mahler being more or less liked by the vast majority of people has always been one of the few constants in this general. You're the abnormal one here. Sorry.
>>128122572I want to hug you and become frens with you. I am also miserable.
>>128122329>t. knows maybe three post-rock bands, all of them 3rd/4th wave
Watching the NBA pre-season on mute while listening to Schoenberg :D
>>128122715no i mean like Tortoise, Bark Psychosis or Talk Talk
>>128122732>t. frantically googling "first wave post rock bands examples"
>>128122742i actually meant post-rock such as Neutral Milk Hotel and Swans
>>128122718I also made that face while reading your post>>128122742lol goteem
>>128122718Rec me some Schoenberg, anon.
>>128122788https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeTFxbsVGrI
>>128122765>>128122742yeah he totally got me, i've never even heard of post-rock, i thought i made it up. i would never listen to that garbage, i only listen to classical haha
>>128122765>I also made that face while reading your postMore of a baseball guy?>>128122788https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVApPE7YXR8
>>128122828>>128122840Thanks, will listen to them.
>>128122788>>128122883
Best Bartók piano concertos in your opinion? Best violin concertos? Recordings I mean, not which work is best individually.
>>128122883I also recommend you listen to a lot of late romantic music before getting into composers like Schoenberg and Scriabin.
>>128122917>composers likeThey have fuckall in common, other than not being as strictly tonal in the common practice sense as, say, fucking Mozart, and having composed at the turn of the century.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhUYyzw5ulc
>>128122983>Roslavetsmy man
>>128122910>Best Bartók piano concertos in your opinion?I enjoy Anda/Fricsay.
Best Berg violin concerto?
>>128123037Hmmm, with those people involved I hope the recordings are not hissy/mono
>>128123037>>128123074Oh nevermind this sounds amazing actuallyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRYgoKqx6JM
>>128122051:DTry his 4th, 6th, 7th, and 9th too. Sadly I don't like his 5th very much, if at all.
>>128122718holy based>>128123072Mutter/Levine, but the other day I listened to a fantastic newer one by Capucon/Harding you might enjoy
Anyone seen that Maestro film? It any good?
>>128123802I don't watch films made after 1960
>>128123802Real life Bernstein wasn't even good, so presumably no
>>128123858>>128123858I once asked this girl I was seeing if she wanted to watch a movie with me that was made in the 80s, and she goes, "isn't that, like, old?" Instant turn-off.
>>128124000Maybe stop dating 14 year olds?
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b80poE2hqXA&list=OLAK5uy_nBn30h6riQ1UI9oK4KcTGdmOF1YGxs7Gg&index=3
>>128124011>t. has never slept with someone born in the 21st century
>>128124229You got me there, but on the other hand I'd say I haven't *had* to
>>128124229>actually it's ephebophilia
damn that's a lot of Nocturnes! was looking through Maltempo's recordings and came across this one (listening to his Hungarian Rhapsodies right now)
>>128124000>>128124011yeah, try 15 year olds instead
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 1 in C Major, Op. 15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xyg_NZZey0&list=OLAK5uy_lBNvmbmqrKKxvMJHG8LbBbg_wWBsX8OQ8&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Te-oPC_-c&list=OLAK5uy_lBNvmbmqrKKxvMJHG8LbBbg_wWBsX8OQ8&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lBNvmbmqrKKxvMJHG8LbBbg_wWBsX8OQ8I'm usually skeptical of concerto recordings where the soloist is also the conductor, but what the hell, Buchbinder's been good to me so far. If it does end up sucking, then well, maybe Ashkenazy/Solti instead, but I doubt it.
>>128124632I'm not dating you, stop asking already.
now pausingstart of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K. 466https://youtu.be/uNWacQnaD0Y?i don't know, i just can't get into Mozart for some reason.
>>128122910>Best violin concertos?anyone? I've only listened to Kovács and am looking to try new ones
>>128124709lol you didn't like it?>i don't know, i just can't get into Mozart for some reason.I'm not big on him either, as least comparatively. The piano sonatas, violin sonatas, chamber music, and choral pieces are the ones I really like, the rest I can live without.
My city Cathedral celebrated its 200-something years with a live performance of Beethoven 9th. I missed it, damn.
>tfw Schoenberg and 12-tone music finally clicks.
>>128122910>>128124724i like<--->>128124758that sounds like it would have been awesome
>when its time for the daily reminder
>>128122910>>128123037Anda/Fricsay is good, but overall i prefer Kocsis/Fischer.>>128124724for the Violin Concertos try Ehnes/Noseda on Chandos, the set also comes with the Viola Concerto.
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
Ugh I will come back later folks, take care
>>128124779but you already did anon>>128120812
>>128124794those were much better cause they didn't have the gay brown guy images attached to them.
>>128124793lol it's only like 7 minutes/posts, do not be deterred
>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>>128124779https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoHCThdDWfk
>>128124794>>128124805Mere imitators of my glorious originality and perfection
>Your Romanticism>My Foot>Your Classicism>My FistI will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
s c r i a b i n
>>128120140is that a Gochiusa OP? what the fuck kind of fever dream am i in right now?
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
>>128124859BABIAA approved
>>128124881>BABIAAyou mean "Baby" right?why would i care what a Baby approves of?
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms>No Perotin or Medieval Music
>>128124752the recording is fine, but yeah, i don't know, there are a few melodies here and there, but like you said outside of the Requiem, the Chamber works, and Piano Sonatas, Mozart's orchestral works don't do much for me.
>>128124793What's wrong, anon?>>128124789>the set also comes with the Viola Concerto.ooo will do
>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold
>>128124923dang, forgot snarky pic
Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shitBelow is a list of acceptable Romantics:FieldChabrierFranckTarregaWagner*Any of the Russian 5GriegAlkanLate Beethoven
>>128124923>What's wrong, anon?the BABIAA poster was his Husband, it was an ugly divorce, they won't even be in the same thread at the same time.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfMdOudr1N0
NO MOZARTNO CHOPINNO MAHLERALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIETHIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!SONATA FORM SHOULD DIEONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEATWHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITEBACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER
>>128124936why does Wagner have an asterisk?
>>128124775>POV you just asked Ehnes if he can spare some change
>>128124921I feel you. I tried listening to one of his symphonies the other night after a long while of having not and it didn't do anything for me. I suspect hearing them or the piano concertos live would stir something in me, but yeah, doesn't do anything for me either at this stage.
>>128124923The thread has its own rythm, a natural flow, even when barely moving. Some posters disrupt the chaos.
>>128124793>>128124807>average sex session lasts around the same time as BABIAA postingBaroque, Renaissance, Medieval, and Debussy/Ives chads just keep winning
>>128124965>at this stage.Is it terminal?
>>128124976>he thinks 7 mins is averageanon, I...
>>128124976>>128124873what if i like all of those and also Classical and Romantic?
sorry anons, I think I might be becoming a Gouldian -- the Ghoul has taken hold of mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7_6ebDkinkAt least with the Six Partitas and now English Suites and possibly French Suites. For the WTC and Goldberg Variations, there are many others I love instead, but for these aforementioned pieces, I never found a recording which hit the spot until now.
>>128124995I like you anon :), but I also really like to shitpost.>>128124988Quick and too the point, like Baroque music, I don't take too long like a Romantic or Classical concerto, who can't decide if they like women or not.
>>128125044>mmhaaawwaaaghhhaaaaaahheeeeee eeeegeheehhhsuch poetry, such genius
BENEVOLO!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyg6IR_0bTE&list=RDWyg6IR_0bTE&start_radio=1
>>128125064I'll admit, it does at times sound like there's an old man having intercourse on the other side of the nearest wall.
>>128124893People ask about Scriabi's diner but never Scriabi's deli, why is that?
>>128125104And you're getting into that
>>128125119That's Scriabin? huh
is there any recording of the Goldberg Variations where the pianist has asthma or COPD and you can hear his lungs wheezing throughout the recording? bonus if it's live and there are a lot of people coughing in the audience, thanks
>>128125129lol I'm finding the staccato playing of these works charming.
>>128125136best I can do is a canadian slowly orgasming throughout the piece
All I know is almost every other recording of the Six Partitas and English/French Suites I've heard contain little personality and sound like they're best-suited to be played in the background of a party, not for individual, attentive listening. Gould's, on the other hand, so far are the opposite, elevating them to high art. But that's just me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i27zU-iOI38&list=OLAK5uy_mtSPLZ92UPRdJXMM7oIi9NzsozRgPKVr4&index=7
>>128125293>it is Gould that elevates Bach to high artpeople like you simply cannot be real
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgzb48DFwzs
>>128125319Technically, among Bach fans, Gould fans make up a plurality, if not a majority.
>>128125371sure
this is better than Gouldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8upU7Jhgmew&list=OLAK5uy_mnGrgylJHzxddvpdh94Hxc4qpd-DiZq6U&index=17
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXTW3MIMwVk
>>128124724pic related
>>128125472like that's hard
>>128125472>Jewish interpreters in BachNo thanks.
>>128125615peep this other one I found then, jsut 4 uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fijBI2TV5qc&list=OLAK5uy_nXH3mpREsNUcbx3RbNgbutWsNVia5uYdE&index=26
Pfffttt you guys and your music "taste"... plebs
start listening to avant-garde classical and overthrow capitalism NOW
>>128125682that man looks like he died two months before having that picture taken>>128125615nazis fuck off>>128125697adornos fuck off
>>128125682>Dutch>having tastepick one.
>>128125697Adorno had the personality of a retarded chihuahua.
>>128125703>>128125729>t. servants of neoliberalism, brainwashed by the Culture Industry
>>128125703He is not old, he is just... historically accurate
>>128125758No, just hate adorno and his moronic stances on music and art in general
>>128125866>moronic stances on music and art in generalbut enough about Ton Koopman
>>128125847It's not so much his age as it is his looking like a fucking ghoul. Is he scandinavian by any chance?
>>128125878much worse. He's Dutch.
>>128125892>DutchEh, close 'nuff. He looks aggressively Danish.
What’s the consensus on tabula rasa
>>128126068we already have enough retards here. please go back to >>>/lit/ .
>>128126104I dont know how to reed
Don't bully the Koopman
>>128126123Or write
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 12 in A-Flat Major, Op. 26 "Funeral March"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB2YTTtLgzk&list=OLAK5uy_mXKWsM3r0gCEcb_gBJr-JECHvsYRL-kL8&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 13 in E-Flat Major, Op. 27 No. 1 "Quasi una fantasia"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxnmb3k55dE&list=OLAK5uy_mXKWsM3r0gCEcb_gBJr-JECHvsYRL-kL8&index=6start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 27 No. 2 "Moonlight Sonata"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG8zQpsZS7U&list=OLAK5uy_mXKWsM3r0gCEcb_gBJr-JECHvsYRL-kL8&index=10start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 15 in D Major, Op. 28 "Pastoral"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pixFHC2mIFU&list=OLAK5uy_mXKWsM3r0gCEcb_gBJr-JECHvsYRL-kL8&index=12https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mXKWsM3r0gCEcb_gBJr-JECHvsYRL-kL8
>>128126068Human evolutionary genetics show the principle to be erroneous.
>>128126135the ghoul eyes its next victim with delight
>High Modernism
>>128126389kek
>>128120140https://youtu.be/8ALuzQ4dLG8?si=JgG0_1FgG1cV8g61
what y'all think bout spectral music
>>128126909>Defined in technical language, spectral music is an acoustic musical practice where compositional decisions are often informed by sonographic representations and mathematical analysis of sound spectra, or by mathematically generated spectra. >The spectral approach focuses on manipulating the spectral features, interconnecting them, and transforming them. In this formulation, computer-based sound analysis and representations of audio signals are treated as being analogous to a timbral representation of soundso it's like total serialism 2: unplugged, where instead of tone rows and the manipulation of all dynamics you've got all that determined by the variables presented by the equivalent of a radiography hmmm
>>128126909>>128126909postmo trash
For tonight's performance of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier, we listen to Andras Schiff's ECM sethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy-hYpP4sCE&list=OLAK5uy_lubhZqlOjoChhBnsc48yAdR4WxvQ4C7E8&index=83
Sometimes the coda of Chopin's 1st ballade hits just the right fucking spot. It's satisfying as FUCK. Same for Appassionata, but it has to be Richter's.
I'm tempted to do a week or two of only (classical/art) music composed in 1950 and after, sounds like it could be fun. One ought to familiarize and embed themselves in their own age, after all.
Mahler's 3rd is starting to become one of my favorites. Huh.
>>128127198my brother
>>128127178How would you rank the four ballades? hard mode: how would you rank the four ballades AND scherzi?
>>128127231It's really hard and I could change my mind any time but here:Ballade 4 > ballade 3 > scherzo 2 > scherzo 3 > ballade 1 > scherzo 4 > ballade 2 > scherzo 1 (and I love 1st scherzo, but something has to be last unfortunately)>>128127208Hell yea
>>128127198Favorite recording?
>>128127315Undecided on that, but Litton/Dallas orchestra is pretty good. I'm listening to that rn
>>128126959serialism, polytonality, symmetric tonality, and minimalism are based but spectralism is a fucking joke.
>>128125119Post rare Scriabins
>>128127564>serialism and minimalismCringe>polytonality, symmetric tonality, Based
>>128127731I only have rare Rachs
>>128128326ok, Stravinsky.
>>128128648Stravinsky embraced serialism tho later in life. I'm more of a Prokofiev connoisseur.
>128120242Objectively speaking not true, but I guess it sounds good in your head
what's your favorite interpretation of Scriabin's mystic chord? for me it's iii#13.
>>128128815Oh no, here comes the nerdy theory guy.
>>128128851looks like you're in the wrong neighborhood, kiddo.
>>128128815idk I just like the music
It's done. Music cant' get better than this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4zkc7KEvYM
>>128129214https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOZGkkJMHqU&list=RDEOZGkkJMHqU
>>128129297exquisite. you can really hear the composer's resentful sub-human soul through this work.
>>128129214yeah it really doesn't get any better than babby's first piano concerto
>>128129420Can you name a better concerto? I'm trying to build a playlist with only piano concertos, I'm open to recommendations.
>>128129431First of all, it's not even the best Rachmaninoff concerto: 3 and even 4 are better. Mozart has plenty, as well as Bach (if that counts), Schumann, Brahms, Scriabin, and Medtner.
>>128129431go to this linkctrl+f "piano concerto"https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996
>>128129214>>128129431>>128129808That said, I really like the enthusiasm, and am glad you're loving classical and Rachmaninoff :)
now playingstart of Beethoven: Violin Sonata No. 9 in A Major, Op. 47 "Kreutzer"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHNDE7f-lmA&list=OLAK5uy_kHo7ibTSq3UsQ6tpNisI4fKcpqpSMyqYY&index=2start of Franck: Violin Sonata in A Major, FWV 8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2itvW21G3A&list=OLAK5uy_kHo7ibTSq3UsQ6tpNisI4fKcpqpSMyqYY&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kHo7ibTSq3UsQ6tpNisI4fKcpqpSMyqYY>Itzhak Perlman's '70s recordings with Vladimir Ashkenazy resulted in one of the finest Kreutzer Sonata performances ever recorded. At this live 1998 recital, Perlman is joined by another piano great, Martha Argerich, on that very piece along with Franck's Violin Sonata. Though the two powerhouses haven't recorded together before, they prove to be both sympathetic and intuitive partners. By now, we've come to expect Argerich to steal the show with her brute force and passionate playing, but Perlman's lyricism throughout the first two Beethoven movements is the real highlight. (It's not that Argerich is being tepid; the room's acoustics and microphones just favor the violinist.) On Franck's Violin Sonata, the duo fare even better. Argerich and Perlman sound like they've been playing together forever, and the music's melancholic, but playful poetry really comes into focus. All told, a memorable live performance by two classical greats. --Jason Verlindealso,>recording starts with applauseare they serious? fortunately these talents are worth it
>>128126909Phil Spectral music
>>128125697You have to be very well educated to believe something that stupid
>>128120705Apologize
>>128123339I'll try his 6th next. Chailly excells at transparency of textures and I feel that's usually what conductors mess up the most on when doing the 6th.
>>128130433fug now I feel like listening to it too
I was curious, do you guys like music of the romantic period and before partially because the society that it came from is so far removed from where we live now? I can't lie that the historical aspect is a definite reason I was initially interested, though there are more reasons than that for which I enjoy it now. But I was curious about you guys' thoughts.
Where do I go to find rare recordings? I'm trying to find Rousseau's motets, especially Ecce sedes hic tonantis
>>128122051>>128123339>>128130433>>128130481His 3rd is fantastic too.
now playingstart of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 4 in C Minor, Op. 43https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL-3wZIPVXQ&list=OLAK5uy_kJDXuTN3bfKqD5SFf6Rgvb2iZ4DuL3gI4&index=1https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kJDXuTN3bfKqD5SFf6Rgvb2iZ4DuL3gI4Always loved this album cover.
>>128130494sounds nicethat's it
>>128130494I could not care less about the historical aspects. I do, however, suspect it must be the main reason some people enjoy the harpsichord, they feel it's a more authentic link to the past, because surely it cannot be on its tonal merits alone.
>>128130494>the society that it came from is so far removed from where we live nowIt really isn't.
>>128130763>I do, however, suspect it must be the main reason some people enjoy the harpsichord, they feel it's a more authentic link to the past, because surely it cannot be on its tonal merits alone.I like how it sounds.I will say it definitely depends on the harpsichord used. I really like the 20th century "modern" harpsichords that performers like Karl Richter and Zuzana Růžičková usedhttps://youtu.be/YzNy7Hb9SGchttps://youtu.be/7A48oRHudUIhttps://youtu.be/7zvyIv7uwyEI think they have a much more satisfying tone and expressive ability than the more commonly used ones in HIP music. But then again I also like recordings on historical harpsichords like Walcha's WTC>>128130780If you plopped any of the great composers in the modern world, they'd likely be quite lost on a lot of things. Sadly we can't really conduct this experiment so that theory might also be wrong, who knows.
>>128129214yeah it can, listen to his Paganini Rhapsody & Symphony No. 2
>>128129214>not Rachmaninoff's own recording>not even a good studio recordingRach is rolling in his grave.Listen to Hough/Litton. NOW!!!
>>128130494>>128130869maho more like my whore
>>128130494>do you guys like music of the romantic period and before partially because the society that it came from is so far removed from where we live now?I *like* it because of how it sounds, it tends to be the most memorable, and at the same time challenging/rewarding to listen to.But there is something not a lot of people want to admit or realize, that I find fascinating, it's that the western civilization had intellectual peak during the mid 19th century, and you can obviosly tell that by the music itself.
>>128130936so you keep saying
>>128130936counterpoint: there was no anime in the 19th century
now playingstart of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 11 in A Major, K. 331 "Alla Turca"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc_gAzrf8E4&list=OLAK5uy_lUWJ742kh2gxiJcHVUIMgFTnh5cYYalfM&index=35start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 12 in F Major, K. 332https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDVCaS9qbZA&list=OLAK5uy_lUWJ742kh2gxiJcHVUIMgFTnh5cYYalfM&index=39start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 13 in B-Flat Major, K. 333https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLi-k-KgFNU&list=OLAK5uy_lUWJ742kh2gxiJcHVUIMgFTnh5cYYalfM&index=42Mozart: Fantasia in C Minor, K. 475https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sem2MXLdOY&list=OLAK5uy_lUWJ742kh2gxiJcHVUIMgFTnh5cYYalfM&index=45https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lUWJ742kh2gxiJcHVUIMgFTnh5cYYalfMSo many Mozart piano sonata sets, so little time.
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvXjcDurGnw&list=OLAK5uy_kyDP2NZ-5zBYL2joepb-oG6qUEZ7Cq4vo&index=4
>>128131070Gonna love Backhaus
>>128131112is that a threat
>>128131116whoopsgotta love Backhaus
Time to open your inner eye to the three upper realms of the spirit; hope you're readyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCi9haciGU8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM75S7S2zmchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqCyJenmKIohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h21Jk1rfC8chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9mYRJpyXpU
>>128131138>English composerEw.
>>128130936That line seems a bit arbitrary, i could draw it like this too :v
>>128131138Impressively bad.
>>128130874https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOeDvBPlpe0Not sure if I like this one more. I still enjoyed Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto 2 more than this violin concerto.
>>128131204>>128131237t. inner eye crusted shut with dry mucus
>>128129808>no, Piano Concerto 2 is ~le bad, see this link here instead>Piano Concerto 2 is literally top 3You can't make this up lol
>>128131369I think his point is that even le heckin last fm basicass entry level list holds better concertos (which is true regardless of where they place rach), but I guess he didn't realise that the basicness of the website guaranteed rach's presence somewhere near the top
>bro, I swear it's just 2deep4uOur response, /mu/?
>>128131423>OurI don't know you
>>128131423>responseI look at him and remain silent for 4 minutes showing no sign of emotion
>>128126909I like it, its colorful unlike Serialism, so you're getting pretty garbage rather than dull garbage, and what more can you ask from Euro-classical post-1945? And Murail and Grisey were pretty sound philosophically and mentally than someone like Stockhausen, so not everything they did sounded like complete bullshit
>>128131211>t.mathlet
>>128131407Imagine coping this hard about Rach concertos being great
>>128129431>name a better concertoJan Václav Dusík - Nº10 In B-Flat Major "Concerto Militaire" Op 40 Craw 153 (1799), Nº12 In G Major Op 49 Craw 187 (1801) & Nº13 In E-Flat Major Op 70 Craw 238 (1810)Ludwig Van Beethoven - Nº4 In G Major Op 58 (1806) & Nº5 In E-Flat Major "Kaiserkonzert" Op 73 (1809)Carl Maria Von Weber - Nº1 In C Major Op 11 (1810) & Nº2 In E-Flat Major Op 32 (1812)John Field - Nº4 In E Major "Les Adieux" Op 110 (1814) & Nº5 "L'Incendie Par L'Orage" In C Major (1815)Johann Nepomuk Hummel - Nº4 In E Major "Les Adieux" Op 110 (1814), Nº3 In B Minor Op 89 (1819) & Nº5 In A-Flat Major Op 113 (1827)Fryderyk Franciszek Chopin - Nº1 In E Minor Op 11 & Nº2 In F Minor Op 21 (1830)Jakob Ludwig Felix Mendelssohn Bartholdy - Nº1 In G Minor Op 25 (1831) & Nº2 In D Minor Op 40 (1837)Isaac Ignaz Moscheles - N°7 In C Minor "Concert Pathetique" Op 93 (1835) & Nº8 In D Major "Pastorale" Op 96 (1838)Ferencz Ritter Von Liszt - Piano Concerto º1 In E-Flat Major (1856) & Nº2 In A Major (1861)Johannes Brahms - Nº1 In D Minor Op 15 (1858) & Nº2 In B Flat Major Op 83 (1881)Mily Alexeyevich Balakirev - Nº2 In E-Flat Major (1861)Edvard Hagerup Grieg - Klaverkonsert I A-Moll Op 16 (1868)Charles-Camille Saint-Saëns - Nº3 En Mi Bémol Majeur Op 29 (1869), Nº4 En Ut Mineur Op 44 (1875) & Nº5 "L'Égyptien" En Fa Majeur Op 103 (1896)Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - N°1 In B Flat Minor Op 23 (1875) & Nº2 In G Major Op 44 (1880)Nikolai Andreyevich Rimsky-Korsakov - In C-Sharp Minor Op 30 (1883)Isaac Manuel Francisco Albéniz y Pascual - Nº1 En La Menor "Concierto Fantástico" Op 78 (1887)Alexander Nikolayevich Scriabin - Piano Concerto In F-Sharp Minor Op 20 (1896)Fritz Theodor Albert Delius - Piano Concerto In C Minor (first version, 1897)That's just up to 1901 when rach 2 was published
>>128131138Thanks for the rec, not to big on the poo influence but the celitc stuff sounds really nice.
>>128131763That's bittersweet to hear. On the one hand it's always good when people pay attention to Foulds and other unjustly obscure composers. On the other, his celtic stuff is late romantic slop, while his "poo" influenced stuff is comprise some of the greatest achievements of the entire modernist period.
>>128131753are you the /pol/fag who posted here obssesed with names
>>128131823Man, what?
>>128131694>Rach is very entry-level and not particularly outstanding, as evidenced by this mid-tier list on this website for dilettantes>LOL COPE SEETHE COPE LMAO ;_;
>>128131369I didn't say it was bad. You asked for more.
>>128131138dope. like Hindemith but listenable
>>128131763>>128131803Really miserable that political fashions mean that being inspired by the Vedas and Hindustani music is inadmissible for some people.
>>128131900Only racists. Don't mind them. Their opinions and lives are worthless regardless of current political fashion.
>>128131803I'll give it another listen, my hatred of Indian music has to do with more with Indians rather than the music itself, I'll give it another go
>>128131891I like this post because it implies that Foulds sounds like Hindemith, and that Hindemith is unlistenable, which are both hilariously inaccurate statements. Keep it up
>>128131912>Only racists. Don't mind them. Their opinions and lives are worthless regardless of current political fashion.
>>128131936wdhmbt
real pizza cutter hours
>>128131753None of these are better, I've listened to and love a lot of these, and still nope.
>>128131986>I've listened to and love a lot of theseHow convenient. Well then, I've listened to and loved *all* of those and can tell you they're all better. What now?
>>128131803Mantras 2nd movement is very tranquil and at times Holstian, It remains enjoyable throughout its 15 minute run time, which is interesting for a modernist. 2nd rate modernists usually run out of steam and good ideas within 5 minutes usually.
Oh look at me I'm Scriabine-too cool to write A-I have to write B flat flat
>DUDE_WEED.gif>>>128131912>>Only racists. Don't mind them. Their opinions and lives are worthless regardless of current political fashion.
>>128132112Holst is definitely the more apt comparison. They were both on very similar wavelengths. It's probably the wordless choir that ties the sounds together the most, though. I wish more composers had made use of such a devise, like Ravel and Vaughan Williams also did. Tellingly, all modernists
>>128132021>and can tell you they're all betterBut that would be untrue. Rach was the ultimate concerto composer, he merged piano and orchestral textures unlike anyone else, because he understood them both well. Brahms for example, didn't understand piano, despite writing a great concerto. And Chopin didn't understand orchestra, despite writing a great concerto. Melodically, Rach has the most memorable, lyrical themes out of all concerti. It is alsoone of the most structurally cohesive and balanced concertos. It's not surprising, as it was written by a genius with the knowledge and experience of the entire romantic era behind his back. "uhh it's subjective" doesn't apply, the premise was that some concertos can be better than others, which is, in my opinion, absolutely true, and Rach is among the very best. Anything outside Brahms 2nd Rach 3, Mozart 20, 23, 24 and Schumann is not in the same league. It's common sense. It is the Beethoven's 9th of concertos, if you will.
>>128132267>Rach was the ultimate concerto composerBut that would be untrue.>Melodically, Rach has the most memorable, lyrical themes out of all concertiI appreciate that that is true for you.>"uhh it's subjective" doesn't applyIronically, that's subjective. >the premise was that some concertos can be better than others, which is, in my opinion, absolutely trueAs you say yourself: Opinion.>It's common sense.It's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.
>>128132267thank you slaveslopper
>>128132398thanks imbecile
Bros why was I not born Russian like Rachmaninoff and Scriabin... I will never attain to the depths of their unbelievable sorrow as a Westeuro rationalist autismo. I bet Russians spend all day tormented like Ivan Karamazov about the meaning of life and death and God whilst listening to Rachmaninoff which their souls understand uniquely in ways my obtuse scientific brain is simply incapable of...
Found something interesting>...there’s a way better (although really hard) way to get it, I’ve only heard Arrau pull it off correctly. My professor explained it to me like this, you attack the chord normally without pedal, then you add right pedal, lift the keys (not your fingers! The keys!!!) and put the una corda pedal down, then you quickly press the keys down again without making a sound and you release the first sustain pedal, then you can put the sustain again although that is the easiest part. Again, really tricky techniqueSounds impossible to pull off, I wonder if it's true. The first, opening chord of Pathetique sonata is marked pianoforte and here's how it sounds:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKVAHReNEd8
>>128131935that is indeed hilarious to thinkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92wnv6Flshohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLWUtDYLVAYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Yx8DCbH-Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtxEumj0Nqshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHmLE9BBtxIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkFbrUEhSCc>>128132576>Scriabin giving a shit about Karamazov and his god; being tormented by guiltlol, lmao even
>"Rachmaninoff is music for teenagers."
>>128132683what a cockbreath nerd
Nice saturday
