Neurotic edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uJ3AW4gxyQ&list=OLAK5uy_nnHllF8EXNGfCgfdbqVa7Lq5_VcCGYYSY&index=1This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>128120140
Talent Isn't Rare. Intelligence Is.
>>128133499word salad.
>>128133499Both are rare.
>>128133499And neither is nearly as important as drive
>intelligence and talent are less important than a mediocre action movieokay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgenHJUoZQkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk3CXw2Q16Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAVOB4OTVoMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NBataLDUgchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCi9haciGU8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM75S7S2zmchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqCyJenmKIohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h21Jk1rfC8chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9mYRJpyXpU
Scriabi's Diner
Scriabin's Piano Concerto is so good, why is it so underrated?
>>128133716Because it ain't good.
>>128133746well i like it
>>128133753No you don't.
>>128133767really? i thought i did, what do i like?
>>128133407Need some recs anon, on two fronts:>general recsI love Baroque music, especially Vivaldi (literally everything he ever did), Bach (The Art of Fugue is great), Handel (Op. 6 especially) and recently Telemann and Monteverdi. Any other hidden treasure composers I should check out or even other periods?>operaI like some of Bach's oratorios and I'm listening to (and loving) Monteverdi's madrigals so I didn't think opera would be that difficult to get into but it just will not click for me. Dido and Aeneas did nothing for me so I'm not sure where else to go.
>>128133775
We've had list of the greatest melodists (>>128120176), now we have The 15 Greatest Symphonic Orchestrators of All Time:HaydnMozartMendelssohnBerliozRimsky-KorsakovRavelTchaikovskySaint-SaënsDvořákRespighiSibeliusR. StraussStravinskyKorngoldMahler
>>128133620and Drive-In and Dive?
>>128133775ZelenkaCorelliScarlattiLullyCouperin
>>128133792https://youtu.be/1XY-dFRzLPM?si=f4SSdUUct77JD3_o
>>128133792>>128133809no one cares>>128133716It's pretty much eclipsed by what he did afterwards, kind of like his first symphony. It's still an excellent concerto. Certainly better than any of Rachmaninoff's for exmaple
>>128133815i like Scriabin's later stuff too especially Op. 54 & Op. 60 and also Rachmaninov's Concertos (his Concerto No.3 is my favorite piano concerto), i always skipped Scriabin's concerto because it was an earlier work, but that was a mistake.
>>128133815>Certainly better than any of Rachmaninoff's for exmaplerofl. certainly not.
>>128133859We've been through this and have agreed that you're entitled to your wrong opinions
Mozart is overrated trash
>>128133873Certainly, we've been through this and established Rachmaninoff's concertos are the gold standard.
>>128133901Further proof that Mozart is underrated
>>128133908>>128133873you're both wrong
>>128133908>Rachmaninoff's concertos are the gold standardFor tween pop music, yes, I absolutely agree>>128133916No, no no. Sorry.
>>128133580Impressively bad
>>128133908You are correct.
>>128133926imagine being so easily impressed
>>128133775>I love Baroque music, especially Vivaldi (literally everything he ever did)I'll bet you haven't listened to his chamber concertos yet. My assumption is based on the fact that they're never mentioned anywhere by anyone, but they're amazing, very diverse and colorful. Check pic related if you haven't already.>>128133806Don't forget Rameau.
>>128133953>(You)
>>128133806>Couperinwhich one
>>128133986Nta but both, also both Scarlattis.
>>128133908You are wrong.
>>128133908yes, this is correct
>>128133996>both
>>128134032You are wrong.>>128134029yes, this is correct
>>128134089wrong>>128134032correct
Medtner - Piano Concerto No. 2
>>128134097wrong>>128134107correct
>>128134144>correctyes>wrongYou aren't not incorrect in no way, never not being not wrong
>>128133908Absolutely.
>>128134217Absolutely wrong
Scriabin vs Rachmaninovwho would win in a boxing match?
>>128134243Rach has reach and probably hits harder but Scriabin is impervious to pain and also insane so my money's on him
>>128134243Rachmaninoff was 6'6
>>128134264Tall people don't have an inherent advantage in boxing. You'd know this if you weren't an effeminate shut-in
>>128134271Yeah and the moon is made of cheese, you'd know this if you weren't an effeminate shut-in.
>>128134279>the moon is made of cheeseit is?
>>128134283effeminate shut-in detected
Had a dream I was playing an adaptation of Scriabin's 10th on electric guitar with the opening played with really crazy effects and really heavy white noise sounding fuzz and such and later parts were played on classical guitar
>>128134290i'm 4'9"
>>128133775Marin Marais and Sainte-Colombe. Also the Couperins
>>128134298I apologise and shall correct myself: Effeminate shut-in manlet detected.
>>128134313i'm a girl
>>128134291I'm sorry, anon
>>128134324>i'm a girldoesn't get any more effeminate manlet than that
>>128134324I will make you my boywife.
>>128134324show bobs
/classical/ has fallen. billions must die. what a terrible thread.
>>128134341show bobs
Billions must listen to Bach and Ives.
>>128134341So long as you die first, I'm in
>>128134347>Ives
>>128133775Also check the opera euridice by caccini and tarquino merulaBaroque is amazing and there are a ton of underrated composers but i insist above all on marin marais. I could also have mentioned giacomo cervetto
>>128133792Hmm, going name by name, makes sense I suppose.
>>128134583>>128134583yeah that list IS extremely safe and milquetoast, you're right
Anyone here like Ives' Concord Sonata?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lp-NdkWPMw>As to the Ives, frankly, I agree with Lawrence Gilman's reaction when he heard the première by John Kirkpatrick of the 'Concord' Sonata in 1938: 'This sonata is exceptionally great music--it is, indeed, the greatest music composed by an American, and the most deeply and essentially American in impulse and implication.'
>>128134616>Ives
>>128134065I mean, there's only two relevant ones.
>>128134660Armand-Lous and Pierre-Louis then
>>128134616>the greatest music composed by an American, and the most deeply and essentially American in impulse and implication.'ameribros I'm so sorry
Mozart's string quintets are underrated among his compositions, especially the first one
>>128134687Further proof that Mozart is underrated
>>128134687>>128134693>one of the most famous comosers >underrated
>>128134723Further proof that Mozart is underrated
>>128134723he means underrated by terminally online contrarians
>>128134723>comosers
>>128134734It seems you don't know the meaning of either 'proof' or 'underrated'.
>>128134764Further proof that Mozart is underrated
>>128134768Further proof you don't understand the meaning of 'proof' and 'underrated'
>>128134723>>128134764Relax, "Mozart is underrated" is both valid and a meme. Valid because most people on the internet view Mozart in a "he's good but..." aka recognizing his talent and value, but not holding the same personal love as they do for other composers. So it's become a bit of a (true) meme to say Mozart is underrated. Anyway, chill.
>>128134792Further proof that Mozart is underrated
>>128134800>aka recognizing his talent and value, but not holding the same personal love as they do for other composers.>aka recognizing his talent and valueThat is, by the very fucking definition, NOT underrated. So it is both invalid and a shit meme. kys.
>>128134829Further proof that Mozart is underrated
>>128134829I should say, recognizing some of his value in a dispassionate, half-hearted way. Like "yeah, yeah, he's one of the greats, but I don't actually listen to him, so in my heart I don't think he's that good anymore." Anyway stop taking it so seriously.
>>128134856>recognizing some of his value in a dispassionate, half-hearted way.No. It is simply recognizing his value, you don't need to twist your own words now. Mozart is anything but underrated.
>>128134906Further proof that Mozart is underrated
>>128134723>>128134764>>128134792>>128134829>>128134906Can you PLEASE stop underrating Mozart? It's frankly embarrassing.
I don't listen to mozart. There. That's the tweet. *Mic drop*
now playingstart of Schumann: Davidsbündlertänze, Op. 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_4XjRwGGCo&list=OLAK5uy_k0ERqIkjY-hcX6nggs1Pi7ubP4RS_odUI&index=2start of Schumann: Papillons, Op. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAlUOtG7mQA&list=OLAK5uy_k0ERqIkjY-hcX6nggs1Pi7ubP4RS_odUI&index=20start of Schumann: Carnaval, Op. 9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MteooJ5YM1s&list=OLAK5uy_k0ERqIkjY-hcX6nggs1Pi7ubP4RS_odUI&index=31https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k0ERqIkjY-hcX6nggs1Pi7ubP4RS_odUI>The three works on this recording are collections of short pieces, strung together and forming a cohesive whole - a form which Schumann himself invented, developed and brought to perfection. Davidsbündlertänze (Dances of the League of David) was written after Schumann's engagement to Clara Wieck, to whom he wrote, 'If I have ever been happy at the piano, it was when I was composing these.' Papillons (Butterflies) is the work of a youthful, unfettered imagination, and Carnaval is one of his most popular pieces, a display of both technique and emotion. Boris Giltburg, who took first prize at the 2013 Queen Elisabeth Competition, is one of today's most exciting young pianists, lauded for his 'massive and engulfing technique, supporting interpretations that glow with warmth and poetic commitment' (Gramophone).
>>128134906underrated means "rated lower than its true value" generally, people think Mozart is boring (even among those that listen to classical) and only respect him because they know he was influential. but in reality he is the greatest composer of all times, so yes he is literally underrated.
>>128134955>>128134992>>128135047Further proof that Mozart is underrated
this recording, yay/nay?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgC60jPWmCk&list=OLAK5uy_lmGqDUy5LqATRhhCYhceP0H-6j6mjFGkk&index=12
>>128135068
>>128135073by the power vested in Giltburg, it is so
>>128135153damn looks legit
Do you realize how severely underrated Mozart is? People vastly overestimate his genius by just oversimplifying how good he was, and basically implying that he was some sort of cosmic force of compositional brilliance. That obviously isn't true. But a lot of times people don't understand, or don't catch, how subtle his brilliance actually is. He did absolutely brilliant work while still operating within the tasteful restraint that characterized the classical period, and broke a shit ton of ground. Mozart seemed to be literally operating at a level beyond any composer in Turks of raw genius in composition. People vastly under rate Mozart sometimes because it's "cool" to like what is less popular. Mozart was literally head and shoulders more of a genius that Chopin, Beethoven, Haydn etc. It's almost incomprehensible that he was able to compose in the manner he did relative to what had come before him especially. He stands in a class of his own as easily the greatest musical genius of all time without it being remotely close. Mozart is underrated simply because it is impossible to conceive of a rating that would do him justice.
>>128135153is that fucking George Lucas
>>128135226ye
>>128134326I'm sorry too
now playingstart of JS Bach: Partita No. 4 in D Major, BWV 828https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ny4GqkM7fM&list=OLAK5uy_k9zkiCHsoGl3LbAIJSvZp5CGUAVfEnqdU&index=14start of JS Bach: Partita No. 3 in A Minor, BWV 827https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE4aoQIOydk&list=OLAK5uy_k9zkiCHsoGl3LbAIJSvZp5CGUAVfEnqdU&index=21start of JS Bach: Partita No. 5 in G Major, BWV 829https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NlRhlEYzZk&list=OLAK5uy_k9zkiCHsoGl3LbAIJSvZp5CGUAVfEnqdU&index=27https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k9zkiCHsoGl3LbAIJSvZp5CGUAVfEnqdUHope one day Levit records Bach's WTC and Art of Fugue.
>>128135262>Diddle didlle dilled dee>Diddle didlle dilled duh >Diddle didlle dilled dee>Diddle didlle dilled dahThis is suposedly the greatest music ever written
>>128135308hey! only the 13th, okay
>>128135308>>>/mu/
>>128135312I have to say, that list is basic and embarrassing, choices are somehow too obvious and not enough
>>128135359Almost any top X list in classical is gonna be 'basic' and 'too obvious' because the cream rises to the top almost without exception. If something was so great, it'd be recognized as such.
>>128135359Well let's see you list then
>>128135418Pay me
>>128135433why the fuck would anybody
>>128133407Best recording of Holst - The Planets?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP5xhyPn58U
any string player? how do you feel about steel vs synthetic strings? beginner here and just experienced the difference after changing 2 strings (cello). the instrument sounds much better now although they haven't settled yet. it's definitely a warmer sound which i find ideal. my steel G and C sound good already so i won't change for now
>>128135481You demand a service you gotta be ready to pay for it, else shut up
>>128135504Stick with Karajan.
>>128135523>synthetic stringsnever before in my LIFE have I EVER heard of that outside of guitars>>128135504Sir Adrian Boult, London Philharmonic Orchestra, Geoffrey Mitchell Choirhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGX3kO-MQ2M>>128135556ew
>>128135534you are reversing the burden of proof
>>128135504Jurowski
>today I will remind them
>>128135578No one's arguing for or against anything, and evidence has nothing to do with this. You asked me to make a list, and I asked for payment. Are you awake?
Returning to Kempff's Beethoven, I never realized just how leisurely it was compared to others, the difference is extreme. And lovely :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK8-Zg-8JYMThis piece alone shows how much of a genius Mozart was.
>>128135593bach and before, nothing after
>>128135604Yup, love his Requiem recording with that on it.
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>>128135604
>Your Romanticism>My Foot>Your Classicism>My FistI will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and ProkofievThat is all
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms>No Perotin or Medieval Music
>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold
Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shitBelow is a list of acceptable Romantics:>Field>Chabrier>Franck>Tarrega>Wagner*>Any of the Russian 5>Grieg>Alkan>Late Beethoven
NO MOZARTNO CHOPINNO MAHLERALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIETHIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!SONATA FORM SHOULD DIEONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEATWHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITEBACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER
Further proof that Mozart is underrated
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNM7ipMAGzo&list=OLAK5uy_kgDwu1Uj4gy8N9q34LJVe44ZIp3CRh8uc&index=4
>>128135735He'd be better if he didn't Alberti Bass all the time
>a little bit of Wine, Josquin, Palestrina, Corelli, Handel, Chabrier, and Poulenc to lighten a nice sunny saturdayBro's I'm so happy right now, the French really did figure this "joie de vivre" out perfectly.
>>128135596you claimed the list done by experts is "basic and embarassing". This statement is undermined if your own list is itself basic and embarassing, but when asked to show it to defend your validity you refuse to do so, claiming it is a "service" (it is not). you are a retard who is too full of themselves, and you have wasted this general's time
>>128135801no Satie or Debussy? that's my maximum comfy
>>128135821Hella gymnastics. Anyway, pay me and you'll get your list.
>>128135801>to lighten a nice sunny saturdayWhere do you live? West coast?
>>128135829Sad.
>>128135839gonna cry?
>>128135825Absolutely, I'm gonna play the comfy early Debussy works, and the gnossienses after Chabrier's trois valses romantiques>>128135830Socal, please kill me though sinceNewsom is fucking this state up so badly
>>128135850>this is the anon who called the list basic and embarrassingDon't reply to me ever again. Goodbye.
>>128135860>Socal, please kill me though sinceNewsom is fucking this state up so badlyCan't wait to vote for him to become President :)
>>128135892>>128135892>Don't reply to me ever again. Goodbye.>>128135892>wah wah wah
Was Liszt a honorary german?
>>128135825Severac is also top tier comfy as well, you can smell the Franco-Spanish flavors in his music as wellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4T8bFhqRE&list=RDWA4T8bFhqRE&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgy4XfmaSNMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3dmo27ifb8
>>128135918Even better: He was hungarian
>>128135918hung aryan
>>128135926I read his name as deodorant
>>128135903I aboslutely will as well, got to be consistent with my shitposting, and I also don't want an ugly fucker like Vance in the Oval office
>>128135927>>128135929He has the german style all over his works, except, of course, the rhapsodies.
>>128135953No: The germans had the hungarian style all over their works.
>>128135953He literally helped forge what you understand as the german style, unless you mean he sounded like Beethoven in which case you're just wrong
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U33hmlENKnc&list=OLAK5uy_nzzy964BImFEZsG4uoRGZnGsF_2tj_CK0&index=8
now playingstart of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 22 in E-Flat Major, K. 482https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmmLXB__atw&list=OLAK5uy_lx9IdjbIIGAEvk1oO5dowyhBO5zZ6KN5c&index=65start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 23 in A Major, K. 488https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPHpGCA2yh4&list=OLAK5uy_lx9IdjbIIGAEvk1oO5dowyhBO5zZ6KN5c&index=68start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 24 in C Minor, K. 491https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjDjb5a_QVs&list=OLAK5uy_lx9IdjbIIGAEvk1oO5dowyhBO5zZ6KN5c&index=70https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lx9IdjbIIGAEvk1oO5dowyhBO5zZ6KN5c
>>128135988underrated composer
>>128135926Lovey, thank you, will check out more from him.
>>128135988
>>128136009ajajajajaj
>>128135941His music smells good, so the comparison is apt :)>>128136005Your welcome :)
Currently listening to this. Each of the singers has the vocal range of a castrati due to some hormonal dysfunction preventing their voice from changing in puberty
Is this the best set of Chopin's Polonaises?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoLMP6ORdjY&list=OLAK5uy_lYvPCkXq0igYAncEcInSRHX28B-V1TSfQ&index=1
>>128136087huh, intriguing
>>128136151https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1iX7KUjMUU&list=OLAK5uy_lpNpq-LbywsejpNzcqnoDb5oS2YwtJhhw
>>128135829jewish behaviour
>>128136087graphic design is my passion
>>128136162A tastehttps://youtu.be/n3TzdbJzvGo
>>128136237what the fuck lmao
>>128136272Look, I'm bored
>>128136237howling for the lack of gonads i guess
>>128136237Yiff in hell
>>128136304it's like I'm back in 2008
>>128136304>>128136322take me back boys, I'm getting old
Was Wagner demonic?>Yet a further feature was drawn to our attention, which was not just characteristic of this final period of his life. It was not possible to keep anything hidden from him; he always knew everything. When Mrs Wagner wanted to give him a surprise of any sort, it would turn out that he had dreamt about it the previous night and told her in the morning. This ability to see through people often appeared demonic, particularly with strangers: his penetrating gaze would enable him to discern a person's foibles at a glance and it often happened that, even though he had no wish to offend a person, he nevertheless touched on the sorest points.
>>128136507no, he was german
for fun, gonna go through Angela Hewitt's discography. She's primarily known for her Bach but she's actually recorded quite a diverse chunk of the repertoire; Mozart, Beethoven, Debussy, Ravel, Schumann, Liszt, Chopin, Couperin, Scarlatti, and more.starting with her newest Mozart releasehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU12io01Gwo&list=OLAK5uy_m27j5lZUQm8mWQYygEa34KSCIscCrlPDQ&index=1
>>128136507That's kinda awesome ngl
>>128136507demons aren't real
>>128136528I enjoyed that Fauré one
>>128136546then how come the Bible says they are?
>>128136583I'll check it out, thanks.
>>128136584Go ask Balaam's pleading donkey, it'll tell you
Raffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1GInEpc5o8&list=OLAK5uy_mf-1xZkG9kcC6-0zG-pFV3TAXFPNlGgf0&index=13
daym yall niggas b listenin 2 sum lit music frfr
>>128136720asap rocky x bach - get lit in b minor
>>128136528>female pianists
>>128136768yes
one last post for the night, now playingstart of Chopin: Ballade No. 1 in G minor, Op. 23https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82AVZvhFo2w&list=OLAK5uy_k6W9HKWpiH7JJF8NsKygigA0yiqj4HpsU&index=2Chopin: Barcarolle in F sharp, Op. 60https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lbF0QYfRsg&list=OLAK5uy_k6W9HKWpiH7JJF8NsKygigA0yiqj4HpsU&index=6Chopin: Fantaisie in F minor, Op. 49https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2njLoVhrmtM&list=OLAK5uy_k6W9HKWpiH7JJF8NsKygigA0yiqj4HpsU&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k6W9HKWpiH7JJF8NsKygigA0yiqj4HpsU
>>128136507no>Richard earnestly reproached Malwida von Meysenbug for not having her ward baptised. This was not right, he said, not everyone could fashion his religion for himself, and particularly in childhood one must have a feeling of cohesion. Nor should one be left to choose: rather it should be possible to say, You have been christened, you belong through baptism to Christ, now unite yourself once more with him through Holy Communion. Christening and Communion are indispensable, he said. No amount of knowledge can ever approach the effect of the latter. People who evade religion have a terrible shallowness, and are unable to feel anything in a religious spirit.Cosima's Diary entry for 12 December 1873
I fuckin' love Liszt's Harmonies poétiques et religieuses
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY_ZQOGu9fo&list=OLAK5uy_mEOSPidmxEG-EJsW6rL0OLN9nU5PNQzhg&index=8
>>128136768duh, those tend to be the better ones
man, if only S. Richter recorded the entirety of Shostakovich's 24 Preludes & Fugues, Op. 87 :(+ having the ability to listen to his WTC and then that back2back? oh maaaan
>>128136846
>Hewitt’s later recording has a wonderful sense of deliberative unfolding and features a masterly use of colour in consort with keen structural and rhythmic awareness; no listener would ever regard it as other than a supreme achievement. Yet could it be that the passage of a decade has made the pianist think the approach is slightly too modest or compromising? Like Hewitt's performance of the Goldberg Variations here last March (review), this new reading of Book I of the Well-Tempered Clavier seemed more dramatic and spontaneous, with even greater extremes of tempos and rhythmic emphasis and, to some extent, a greater reaching to the celestial heavens. It seemed like a fuller and more direct statement of what the pianist really wanted to say, and an ultimate flowering of the possibilities for contrast and dramatic expression in the pieces. In lesser hands, the increased intensity and range might easily be seen as mannered and too romantic; here it was presented with such intellectual absorption and discipline that it all made perfect sense. In fact, it seemed that an already strong narrative line was further nourished. Hewitt’s secret lay in referring to extremes very consistently throughout the work, so one always had the idea that they were integral to the penetration of the deepest secrets of these 24 supreme pieces.goddamn who writes this stuff? you could change the nouns and it could be about anything. if I were Hewitt, though, it'd sure make me happy to read, which I suppose is the point, but goddamn, writer's in love>>128137271who's that
>>128137305>who's thatyer da
For tonight's performance of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier, we listen to Vladimir Feltsman's set:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pcFpfauV_o&list=OLAK5uy_nitfSx11v6oM0k8_BJ6SyPjEU7p6Q7mkk&index=44A set which occupies an interpretive and sonic middleground. Probably not a set for anyone to love, but certainly for everyone to enjoy.
>>128137271kek
Damn, so few recordings of these works by Pãrthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODbqEKKJSBYProbably because they are less popular works but even so... I'd imagine he was popular enough, a shame
>>128137407>I'd imagine he was popular enoughhe *is* pop, yeah>>>/mu/
Bartok essential works?
Scriabin's Le Poeme De L'Extase best recording?
>>128138222Essential? His string quartets, piano concertos, Concerto for Orchestra, and Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta. Then there's a lower tier with his violin concertos, violin sonatas, The Miraculous Mandarin, and The Wooden Prince. Some people would say his solo piano music but I'm not convinced. Oh and if you like opera, Bluebeard's Castle. Enjoy :)
>>128138222Kossuth Bluebeard's CastleFour Pieces For Orchestra Op 12All six string quartetsThe Wooden PrinceThree piano concertosSuite Op 14The Miraculous MandarinViola concertoBoth violin concertos Both violin sonatasTáncszvit Piano sonataSzabadban Rhapsody for violin and orchestra 1 and 2Music For Strings, Percussion And CelestaSonata For Two Pianos And Percussion (also the Concerto version)ContrastsConcerto for OrchestraAny collection of hungarian folk songs for orchestra>>128138290Urban Agnas, Royal Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra, Leif Segerstam
>>128138290Mutihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_iRNP9iSzIAny from any big name conductor will probably be good though, at least in my experience. Ashkenazy, Gergiev, Sinopoli. All solid. But if I had to recommend one, Muti.
>>128138307>Any collection of hungarian folk songs for orchestraand/or romanian*Also I think I should've added the Cantata Profana in there. Doesn't get nearly as much love as it deserves.
Hello, friend, again
>>128138860Huh, thought I was familiar with all of the complete Brahms sets. That one is new to me, added. Hopefully it's good. Also, Brahms seems a bit modern for you, no?
>>128138880I like the ocassional solo instrument.
now playingstart of Debussy: Images I, CD 105https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEVfeN-cg3Q&list=OLAK5uy_nNPZRkcaVbB83fwRh-yztH_lICboPNO0s&index=2start of Debussy: Images II, CD 120https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6vPbcRTYjU&list=OLAK5uy_nNPZRkcaVbB83fwRh-yztH_lICboPNO0s&index=5start of Debussy: Préludes, Book 2, CD 131https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNIE0-rIt38&list=OLAK5uy_nNPZRkcaVbB83fwRh-yztH_lICboPNO0s&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nNPZRkcaVbB83fwRh-yztH_lICboPNO0s
>>128138996Perfectly natural. Whose the latest composer you enjoy?
>>128138996>>128139150Who's*, fuck, that's embarrassing
>>128138996Suck on this pipe, friend, and inhalehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BuQFO-diEY
in my country this man is everythinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pueNOYUOsV0
>>128139232At least you've got something. For years and years I was under the impression that Sweden had no worthwhile composers at all
>>128139256>For years and years I was under the impression that Sweden had no worthwhile composers at allAtterberg, Alfven, Allan Pettersson, and Stenhammar are all /classical/ approved. Rangstrom not so much, depending if you like post-romanticism slop.
>>128139346>/classical/ approvedmeans nothing
>>128139373It has more gravitas than if I had just said "are worthwhile."
>>128139373Then I suggest you leave.
>>128139503I don't need nor want your suggestions
>>128139516Then spare us of your insolence. I didn't need nor want your response either.
>>128139542Kill yourself
>>128139548We do not tolerate this kind of behavior here. I advise you to search for a different hobby. >>>/mu/
>Wespeak for yourself you dry cumsock
>>128139595That's it. Your insolence shall not be tolerated in these halls from this point forward. I hereby banish you from /classical/, FOREVER.
IV11#5.
>Having listened to many pianists play these Concerti, I find this version by Ashkenazy and Solti a real disappointment. Honestly, I've never really gotten Ashkenazy's appeal. There is no wing of the piano repertoire that he plays BETTER than anyone else. He's certainly competent, but lacks personality or a real stamp. He plays all the notes, but that's no reason to make recordings. The Chicago under Solti is astonishingly aggressive. It's like they're trying to "beat" the pianist down. And Ashkenazy responds by receding and withdrawing from the battle. Someone else said here it's like he's playing Chopin, not Beethoven. Perhaps his other two (!) recordings of the 5 Concerti might be better, but this one cannot be recommended. Out of balance, schizophrenic.ouch
>>128139640
V13b5.
>>128139653>>128139689thank you scriabincel
>>128139662>There is no wing of the piano repertoire that he plays BETTER than anyone elseexcept Scriabin's sonatas
more of Rubinstein's ChopinPiano Sonata 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdhRY2WgMS0&list=OLAK5uy_lHwLEvBOwYyYZrP_nXCJAnjH8kgbpBEZg&index=2Piano Sonata 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUJadOVNs9k&list=OLAK5uy_lHwLEvBOwYyYZrP_nXCJAnjH8kgbpBEZg&index=6Fantaisie in F Minor, Op. 49https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyqfxQbjC7I&list=OLAK5uy_lHwLEvBOwYyYZrP_nXCJAnjH8kgbpBEZg&index=10Barcarolle in F-Sharp Major, Op. 60https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHCPwjQYqc&list=OLAK5uy_lHwLEvBOwYyYZrP_nXCJAnjH8kgbpBEZg&index=11Berceuse in D-Flat Major, Op. 57https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQrxDj0IIiM&list=OLAK5uy_lHwLEvBOwYyYZrP_nXCJAnjH8kgbpBEZg&index=11Better quality than I thought it'd be
>>128139738not part of the repertoire
>>128139738truI suppose the reviewer would name Hamelin then
>>128139751
speaking of Scriabin, anyone tried this set? the one community review opens with,>I have ALL of the available recordings of the complete piano sonatas of Alexander Scriabin. This set is the best without a doubt.o shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P1gT8tWKgU&list=OLAK5uy_lJ1neJeKqkulpfVZkBFSjeY6zJE7YJQdU&index=13https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIlLguo2KBc&list=OLAK5uy_lIhPO77fH1QWXaClMMNhlgRX0f8IYf8e8&index=3
>>128139689What’s the resolution?
>>128139811The tonic
>>128139566no actually i agree with him, kill yourself
>>128139839That works but I’d kinda like a bIIIm7
>>128139841I hereby banish you from /classical/. Another one bites the dust.
>>128139882How's the bandwidth in Ohio, loser
>>128139678>>128140077Zoomers are not allowed on /classical/.
>>128140084>ZoomersZoomers are not allowed on /classical/.
>>128140084>yugioh is zoomerwhat next, pokemon is a zoomer thing too, idiot
>>128140099tell that to the pseudomozartian animeposter
>>128135153>>128135226Honestly George Lucas could probably direct a pretty good filmed opera if the onions wars prequels are anything to go by (He is genuinely good at portraying emotion visually and he has a very theatrical way of doing drama). I'd pay to see that.https://youtu.be/6_-XKotekbASaw this live in italy semi recently in one of those big arenas, was pretty cool until rain cut the performance short. Guess that's why you do opera indoors. Still felt I got my money's worth with the quality of the sets which were still faithful to what the story is about but using modern technology to make everything fancier. Wish that was the case in my country as opposed to every opera being some modernist retelling by a faggot director who inserts his own meaning on the work.In any case, what do you guys think of Verdi? Rarely hear that name here in a way that isn't in-passing.
>>128140111yugioh is not animeand anime isn't really a zoomer thing, anime has been posted on this board since the day it was created, when zoomers were still shitting in their diapers.
The three B's:>Bruckner>Bellini>Busoni
>>128140141i kneel
>>128140135>In any case, what do you guys think of Verdi? Rarely hear that name here in a way that isn't in-passing.Better than Wagner
The three W's:>Webern>Whitacre>Wozart
today's plans: finally listen to some of Allan Pettersson's break and melancholy symphonies. Any particular favorites?>>128140135>In any case, what do you guys think of Verdi? Rarely hear that name here in a way that isn't in-passing.Not into opera, but his Requiem is stellar.
>>128140161what he said unironically
>>128140168>Not into opera, but his Requiem is stellarIn that case, I should definitely give that work a shot. I quite like his orchestration and melodic style if Aida is anything to go by.
>>128140136>yugioh is not anime
>>128140187it was played on cartoon network, therefore it is cartoon.
>>128140184don't forget his amazing string quartet, just all around better composer than Wagner
The three B's:>Bruckner>Boobs (small)>Scriabin
Makes me kind of sad that music that has given me so much genuine comfort over the years - classical - is associated with elitism. I think classical is a lot more generally relatable than it gets credit for.
Verdi's operas also aren't too shabby. Just my humble opinion.
>>128140194>>128140194anime is a cartoon, you MENSA reject
>>128140211cry about it
>>128140208>classical - is associated with elitism.since the age of information. Back in the '60s teens would throw parties at their houses and play Beethoven's concertos or Haydn's sonatas. I'm not making this up
>>128140187I get what he means, Yugioh was so fundamentally altered in the dub (which he referenced with "shadow realm" as that idea was exclusive to the dub because they didn't want to allude to death in a kids show), that it basically just becomes an american network cartoon. Watched the japanese version of the first arc and besides it being way too fucking long (50 episodes for the entire pegasus arc, Jesus), it's basically a different show in terms of even just the characterization of the main cast and also the tone, dialogue, everyhthing. The studio who did the dub also made an illegal spinoff show animated in america so there's that too.
>>128140219why?
>>128140229why not?
>>128140223>(50 episodes for the entire pegasus arc, Jesus)Wait it was that long? I remember it being way shorter as a kid
>>128140223americans wish; I guess DBZ isn't anime because yanks have told you it isn't
>>128140244DBZ is for retarded mexicansREAL anime is Gochiusa, Yuru Yuri, To Love-Ru, KissXsis, Oreimo, these are REAL high IQ anime
>>128140237It fetl short because as a kid you didn't have a million other shit on your mind at all times
>>128140257ok zoomer
>>128140257
>>128140206>scriaBinSounds about right.
>>128140266zoomers don't know any of those areoh yeah and i forgot Lucky Star
>>128140208It's not as congruent with modern life as pop/rock is. Even, say, midwest emo has more to do with the day-to-day experience of the average youth than classical these days, that's just the truth.
>>128140271zoomers don't know *WHAT* any of those aresorry about that
>>128140271>>128140280zoomers can use the internet and pirate shit, you know
>>128140288but they overwhelmingly don't
>>128140288most of them are scared of pirating, they actually pay for shit they can get for free, fucking losers.
Extremely lowbrow vibes ITT.
>>128140293They clearly do, hence the state of this board and the internet at large. Stop trying to defend them>>128140295evidently not
Yugioh, Pokemon, DBZ: All 100& anime; all 100& millenial
>>128140329Which of them has the best soundtrack?
>>128140333GT but it has the worst story to go with it
falling asleep tohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoTUvsj3vLY&list=OLAK5uy_msiiRw4wA_weiAqEFU0PsYoyI_UUDBgro&index=8
>>128140295>pirating from places that need your support when you can afford itsad
>>128140409i can afford it, i just rather not spend money on something i can get online so easily, also i don't want to support streaming services.
>>128140222Sounds like a good time. Getting stoned and listening to classical with friends is one of my favorite memories.>>128140275For sure. I don’t think it would be the first choice of music for anywhere close to the majority of people even if it weren’t stigmatized, but I do think it’s still relevant to the modern day. Our basic biology hasn’t changed that much since the 1600s that we’re expressing completely different emotions today than we were back then. My friend who has never studied any classical and primarily listens to EDM sat and listened to the Lento Assai from Beethoven Op 135 with me and at the end remarked that it sounded really beautiful and moving. It helps to have an ambassador when listening to classical, but I think the music still stands on its own emotionally speaking.
>>128140433Like I said, sad. This will be the death of media, art, and culture.
>>128140445i'll buy a physical copy if i really like something, but if you pay for a streaming service, most of the money doesn't even go towards the artists or people that actually worked on the media.
>>128140442That's a different kind of emotional connection, I'm talking about something more specific. There is no classical piece that captures my day-to-day experiences in direct form, whereas there are many pop/rock songs which do. I'm talking specific events like walking through the city or driving a car or meeting a girl at the coffee shop. The emotions evoked by classical music is much more general than that. When I want specific feelings, music which matches the minutiae of the modern experience, I turn to pop/rock. I would never listen to classical to get hyped up for something, for example.
>>128140489>>128140442Or let me put it another way: what classical piece captures the feeling of drinking at the bar with your friends? Or skateboarding at the park, if you're into that? Or partying at the beach? Nothing.
>>128140489>The emotions evoked by classical music is much more general than that.you just feel that way because classical doesn't have words describing exactly what is going on
>>128140509Sometimes the words help, sure, but not always. Take midwest emo and indie rock, those genres feel like the experience of American suburbia and all that it entails. Are there classical pieces which evoke the feeling of romantic love? Sure. Are there classical pieces which evoke the very specific modern situation of being too nervous to approach a girl, hope she notices you, and it works out? No. Okay, that one might need the lyrics, at least partly. But when I wanna reminisce about my younger days, like high school and right after and the life I was living and the people I met and the situations I encountered, classical doesn't come close to capturing that.Which is why I always say this on here: when I wanna listen to music in itself, I listen to classical; when I wanna daydream, I listen to pop/rock.
>>128140508>what classical piece captures the feeling of drinking at the bar with your friends?Shostakovich Symphony No. 4Scriabin - Sonata No. 9Prokofiev - Violin Concerto No. 1Wagner - LohengrinCarl Orff - Carmina BuranaMozart - RequiemBach - Matthaus Passion
>>128140561>the very specific modern situation of being too nervous to approach a girl, hope she notices you, and it works outyeah bro I'm no one has ever felt that way before 1950
>>128140561are you sure you're not just high or something? you sound high.
>>128140565Uh... well, maybe I just don't feel classical music as deeply as you do then. In any case, I'm just explaining why classical music will forever be alien to a large portion of the populace because this is what they listen to music for, not to appreciate the formal aspects.>>128140577My point is that pop/rock captures the specific tone of those emotions and experiences. There's songs for every specific modern situation. Classical is much more general than that is all I'm saying.
>>128140603>My point is that pop/rock captures the specific tone of those emotions and experiences. There's songs for every specific modern situation. Classical is much more general than that is all I'm saying.for me it's the opposite, classical always feels like it's trying to convey a very specific feeling.
Persichettihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nmGQK2NwKI
>want to listen to long symphonies in one sitting>headphones get distractingly uncomfortable after an hour of continuous listening>get disturbed by the noises coming from my surroundings during quiet partsWhat do? I'm not getting new headphones that would solve the last problem, since any closed-backs would be a severe downgrade in sound quality compared to my Stax. Pic unrelated, just the coolest road car from the 90's.
>>128140615Well, then maybe I just don't feel classical as deeply as you guys. When I listen to classical, I focus entirely on the music. When I listen to pop/rock, I almost immediately space out and live in my head, often something relevant to the emotional tone of the song. That's what these forms are good for, and most people these days want music for the latter purpose.
>>128140603>why classical music will forever be alien to a large portion of the populace because this is what they listen to music for, not to appreciate the formal aspects.
>>128140627You either get used to pros/cons A or pros/cons B.
>>128140640the first mistake was using social media
>>128140631I see modern music basically as poetry with accompaniment. When I listen to modern songs, I do not space out or whatever, most of the time I focus on the lyrics and how the music interacts with them.
>>128140670>I see modern music basically as poetry with accompanimentyeah really bad poetry i guess
>>128140489>>128140508I don’t think we’re in disagreement - I don’t listen to classical for any of the things you mentioned. I do listen to a bunch of non-classical music for various modern activities, but modern life isn’t limited to purely modern activities. When it’s late and I’m walking around with a friend through the neighborhood, classical has been great. When I met my current girlfriend and we started connecting on a level deeper than the surface, I played some classical (and non-classical) because it fit the emotional setting well. Most of the settings where I introduce classical are either more 1-on-1 or during moments that are “slower” and more personal. I listen to classical for more than that, but it seems to fit those social settings well. I’m sure it fits other settings, that’s just what comes to mind now.
>>128140680the stuff that's on the radio for sure yeah
>>128140687i like Folk
>>128140640Man, I personally don’t agree that the approach is to shit on others for something they don’t intuitively enjoy or understand. That’s why I think classical music can benefit from an ambassador when listening with someone who doesn’t automatically connect to it. I studied cello performance, am the principal cellist of an orchestra, teach cello, and I still sometimes benefit from hearing what others focus on when they listen to certain pieces. It just helps to know what others love in music so I listen for those specific moments. Usually I end up saying “oh yeah I missed that, that is awesome.”
>>128140768kek, those people are NPCs and should be discarded, they aren't even talking about classical music, any music without "lyrics" is foreign to their monkey brains.
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>>128140785Yeah, they probably didn’t grow up in a setting where they listened to either no music or only music with lyrics. Both my parents are classical musicians so it was easy for me because it was in the environment. Maybe you didn’t and found classical yourself, in which case I think that’s awesome. But I’m excited to share my love of classical with others who may not have had any exposure to classical. They may fucking hate it - thats okay - but it’s harder to hate it when I accept them where they’re at while showing them what I listen to it for (and don’t play shit like Britten for them off the rip).
