Khatia Buniatishvili in the window editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmaUoCgtXoQ&list=OLAK5uy_ndyFQ-H76rmpdDjbx7rGKfKo_ym6PyqiA&index=1This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenprev: >>128158950
time to finally try what so many Beethoven enthusiasts claim is one of if not the greatest cycle of his piano sonatas ever: Annie Fischer's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oxGVyPXzc0https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mJBG-0UYD6UZt9tqrqzP2FvO2oiHqmEO0
>>128178028that is pretty good
In the mood for some sturm und drangs, do you guys got any by lesser known composers?
IT'S UPhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUsDxAO1uWs>The 12 Greatest Contrapuntists of All TimeOckeghemPalestrinaHandelZelenkaHaydnBeethovenBrahmsMahlerBartókShostakovichHovhanessJ.S. Bach
>>128178550Oh jeez, its the list of people everyone already fucking knows and have been praised in academia for years, what a original and well thought out opinion!
>>128178582Hey, the correct answers are the correct answers.>>128178550Cool. Never understood the classical fan's obsession with counterpoint to be honest.
>In 1918, Szymanowski completed the manuscript of a two-volume novel, Efebos, which took homosexuality as its subject.[6][7] ("Efebos" or ephebos is the Greek term for a male adolescent.) His travels, especially those to the Mediterranean area, provided him with new experience, both personal and artistic. Arthur Rubinstein found Szymanowski different when they met in Paris in 1921: "Karol had changed; I had already begun to be aware of it before the war when a wealthy friend and admirer of his invited him twice to visit Sicily. After his return, he raved about Sicily, especially Taormina. 'There,' he said, 'I saw a few young men bathing who could be models for Antinous. I couldn't take my eyes off them.' Now he was a confirmed homosexual. He told me all this with burning eyes."There are 3 kinds of pianists: jewish pianists, homosexual pianists and bad pianists.
>>128178550kill yourself. nobody cares about the opinions of this retarded fat nigger cock sucker and I swear to God if you make one more fucking post mentioning Dave Hurwitz I will find your IP address and I will kill you.
>>128178550No Reger? wtf
>>128178714Last 2 times it was me who posted Dave's greatest list, but you're free to track me down and kill me, I wanna die, just make sure to kiss me first.
What's your favorite Ravel solo piano set?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3wT1ihzvfk&list=OLAK5uy_k35_klK4PO4hu84Cf2o9AMansUk5AykG4&index=1
>>128178550Screw this jew, mozart was a great contrapuntalist and he doesn't even mention him
>>128178550>no ScriabinPathetic.>Mahler>Bartók>Hovhaness (who???)What is this shit?
>>128178774watch the video
>>128178778No thanks.
>>128178803afraid you might learn something and broaden your horizons?
>>128178756Mozart was good, he wasn't great. Reger fuckmogs Mozart in counterpoint and he didn't even mention Reger.
>>128178814>fat old jew faggot on youtube gagging on the same old composers and his fellow countrymen>broadening horizonsGood one, Dave.
>>128166831Obviously. It's the way he treated them. It's possible to make melodies unrecognizable, which he could but normally didn't. Anyway, that's neither here nor there.>>128166795>But I'll leave it at thatYou'll leave it that because I possess far more nuance and knowledge on the subject than you, and you have absolutely no counterargument apart from>nuh-uh!I accept your concession.
Paganinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-1gDJTxnvE&list=OLAK5uy_nsEFqH_dD8XbQrpV53IRx9wcDQ4Oec6AA&index=10
Top 20 contrapuntists:1. J.S. Bach2. Max Reger3. Palestrina4. L.W. Beethoven5. Anton Bruckner6. Sergei Taneyev7. Dimitri Shostakovich8. Joseph Haydn9. Alexander Scriabin10. G.F. Handel11. Domenico Scarlatti12. Nikolaj Medtner13. W.A. Mozart14. Johannes Brahms 15. Frederic Chopin16. Bela Bartok17. Richard Wagner18. Josquin des Prez19. Arnold Schoenberg20. Franz LisztHonorable mentions: Schumann, Alkan, Mahler
>>128179020>>128179020I appreciate the effort
>>128179020Incredibly based list apart from>6. Sergei TaneyevWhich I'm confused about but also quite unfamiliar.
>>128179068Taneyev is the Russian Bach, and teacher of great famous composers including Rachmaninoff, Scriabin and Medtner.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urW96pRqP7Y&list=OLAK5uy_mSePUl-UzmuYROj3T6D971n-WC4ANywS4&index=1
>>128179020>no Hovhanessshit list
>>128178550The reason he chose Mahler instead of Wagner is because he's Jewish.
>>128178550this guy hates bach and mozart so fucking much lmfao
>>128179269We all hate Bach cultists here.
>>128179373Shalom!
>>128179379Shalom!
>>128179157>Taneyev is the Russian Bach>posts a piano quintetHm, doesn't really compute does it? Maybe you meant to say Brahms, hehehe!I've heard of him but never bothered researching his work. Looks like we wrote predominantly chamber music. Interesting, will definitely check him out soon, thanks.
>>128179020>>128178550since this whole exercise is one of comparing apples to oranges I think the following is a better ranking:20th century:1.) Shostakovich2.) Hovhaness3.) Holmboe4.) KapustinRomantic:1.) Reger2.) Taneyev3.) Wagner (pbuh)4.) BrucknerClassical:1.) Cherubini 2.) Mozart3.) Beethoven4.) HaydnBaroque:1.) Bach2.) Handel3.) D. Scarlatti4.) Telemann
now playingstart of Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVMLcv00aS0&list=OLAK5uy_k1wACmun32FA6KymSBtUgkEy8IpSFIU7Y&index=2start of Brahms: 2 Rhapsodies, Op. 79https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r70QHISB1BI&list=OLAK5uy_k1wACmun32FA6KymSBtUgkEy8IpSFIU7Y&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k1wACmun32FA6KymSBtUgkEy8IpSFIU7YOne of the greatest recordings of this masterpiece.
>>128179583>1.) CherubiniDidn't hear of this name and decided to give this overture a listenhttps://youtu.be/MtDlQ0QZMmoActually very enjoyable. What are his essentials?
>>128179784go away, pleb.
>>128179795Can't find his "go away, pleb" piece, is it a overture or something?
>>128179795God forbid someone asks about classical instead of animeposting or posting links
>>128179851Here you go dudeyoutu.be /FFVSl5XlTF8
>>128179852/classical/ is for avoiding normgroids, not inviting them in.
For today's performance of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier, we listen to Roger Woodward's recording:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNKdh4ry6e8&list=OLAK5uy_lKr-TUmp_U035LIV5TCkrDSrzHTMfXePg&index=36Has a very lovely, deeply resonant sound.
>>128179784His Requiem in C minor and to a lesser extent string quartets.
now playingstart of Liszt: Harmonies poétiques et religieuses III, S. 173https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhVArIaRytA&list=OLAK5uy_m4ZxNvbTYiVWP5Xj5SU1Ke-2bV8Oi9eqc&index=2Liszt: Harmonies poétiques et religieuses III, S. 173: No. 3, Bénédiction de Dieu dans la solitudehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93nduDII83A&list=OLAK5uy_m4ZxNvbTYiVWP5Xj5SU1Ke-2bV8Oi9eqc&index=3Liszt: Ballade No. 1 in D-Flat Major, S. 170 "The Crusader's Song"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUV3lbKMan8&list=OLAK5uy_m4ZxNvbTYiVWP5Xj5SU1Ke-2bV8Oi9eqc&index=12Liszt: Ballade No. 2 in B Minor, S. 171https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uyVvLNG5Js&list=OLAK5uy_m4ZxNvbTYiVWP5Xj5SU1Ke-2bV8Oi9eqc&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m4ZxNvbTYiVWP5Xj5SU1Ke-2bV8Oi9eqc
no one here is familiar with the early 20th century pianist William Kapell?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi5onHLdV1Iperhaps then the reviewer who stated,>William Kapell (1922-1953) is regarded by many as the all-time greatest American pianist.was making it up for his own benefit. not an uncommon occurrence
>>128180001died on a plane crashthats why gould avoided flying, and that fear was one of the reasons on why he stopped concertizing
>>128179583Is Handel really the second best contrapuntist of the Baroque era?
>>128180169Scarlatti is
>>128178774You mean whovanhess?
>>128180417Who da hell?
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OfcKFkOeKw&list=OLAK5uy_n_tNUG9A9-Hk1cOxxlNfY6p3QHcHsp4Po&index=125
>He could save others from deaf but not himself. Ironic
>>128180170Which Scarlatti piece has the best counterpoint?
>>128178550seriously confused as to why do you keep posting a guy nobody here likes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWakxAXiaaE&t=8m9s
I think the over-reliance on singing in music has made the modern ear extremely poor at understing musical phrasing. It's as though people can't feel "emotion" from music if it doesn't have a human singing (even in a foreign language you can still feel expression) or if the musical lines don't closely simulate human singing and its range.
>>128178820>>128178550clueless musical commentary
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtwpvHnrACM
>>128178550Wait who's Zelenka I've never heard of him or her
>>128180874Coming from the mr clueless Kruger himself!
Jangly bell classical?
>>128181130Mahler 4's introduction of the main theme is basically that.
>>128181130>>128181316Oh nvm, "Jangly" is apparently the opposite(?)
>>128181130James Pierpont - Jingle Bells
>>128180946
>>1281797842 Sonatas for horns and stringsMesse De ChimayMissa Solemnis Per Il Principe EsterházyString quartets (six of them)String quintetSymphony In D MajorRequiem In Memory Of Louis XVIMissa Solemnis Du Sacre De Louis XVIIIRequiem In D MinorSome of the best sacred music of the period. Don't care for his operas.
>>128181031>no u
>>128181316>>128181330Thanks for nothing anon
>>128180170>>128180817ANON I'M WAITING
>>128181489Terrible memes, terrible musical knowledge.
>>128181538https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hV1OP9V8IU
>>128181031>KrugerI don't get it
>>128178550>Look at me I can play three different musical lines at the same time>No they don't actually sound good but it's complicated which means its goodCounterpoint is overrated
>>128181538dude any of his ~500 sonatas have pretty much the same high level and quality of counterpoint and they're all incredibly short; just listen to any of them, or all of them evenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0DOZWktIOY&list=PLT0uE2OVDu0aOxp88cWjXvON3IxSJeL9Y
For $500: Something only dumb people resentful that they can't into counterpoint say:>Counterpoint is overrated
>>128181674define "sound good" objectively
>>128181691Counterpoint is neither "overrated" nor "underrated", it is just a musical trait, much like harmony, melody or form. All of are equally important, but not evenly distributed among composers' skillsets. No composer is perfect.
>>128181679>Just listen to all 555 of them my guyThanks for wasting my time bro
>>128181734It sounds good? There's not really a simpler way to put it
>>128181748I agree with all of that, dead anon. Those simple truths however will make no difference to some zika-brained fuck saying "hurr counterpoint is overrated">>128181761>listening to Scarlatti is wasting time, and you bringing the entire work to me from the beginning so I can browse and check out several of them in a short period of time is frankly insultingGlad I could deprive you from something good that you don't deserve!
>>128181776>dead anonI meant dear* anon and not something morbid or threatening, I promise.
>>128181770then what if I tell you that playing three different musical lines at the same time actually sounds good every time?
>>128181792shh stop trying to broaden his horizons, he's perfectly happy in his truncated little world
>>128181776Sorry I didn't realise you invented Youtube, my mistake-well done.
>>128181821Hey man it's all cool, it's all cool, don't even worry about it
>look up /classical/ in the catalogue to get to this thread again>see absolute retardation from normgroids>>128180647>>128181549>>128181786Everytime I think this general is retarded, /mu/ proves that people can be even more retarded.
>>128181895>looking, even glancing at other threads here or in all of 4chanwhy do you hate yourself
>>128181917the metal general is fun, if you can overlook the rabid, militant racism and homophobia (but then agian this IS /classical/ so I'm sure you can)
>>128180817>>128181538Cat Fugue.
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMfUYZUbfMw&list=OLAK5uy_mMxSZhJlRHtmkAJx-MMAxAm3kElCMPqUMthe worse the cover the better is the album i guess
>>128181933/classical/ is a pretty racist general, we dont even talk about black music here.
>>128181933Why would you browse a lowbrow general?
>>128181959that... that was the point
>>128181968>is fun
>>128181969Yeah but i was unironic and you were ironic and not unironic
>>128181895Hardly specific to 4chan. The majority of the human population literally doesn't understand music in terms outside of a) its extramusical function in social events, liturgy, social movement, or static mood-setting for one's own emotions, or b) variance in sound effects and colour, as we see with that anon who objects that classical uses the same 'base sound'. Music itself doesn't even mean the same thing to such people to what it means in classical, and it's not limited to this website or any particular society.
>>128181895The fact that you can't recognize that it's a bait means you're not very smart. Or a newfag. Take a look at that picture.
>>128181994>The majority of the human population literally doesn't understand musicThat IS true, but the specially heinous takes and ways in which that ignorance is displayed is pretty 4chan-exclusive, or at least terminal-internet-culture-specific
>>128181997The best bait is true
>>128181997>Take a look at that pictureevery time I do it makes me chuckle
>>128182008Good thing it's not even remotely a good bait then!
>>128182017evidently it is
>>128182007Because 4chan is anonymous. Stupid shit we say here has no consequences on subsequent discussions, nothing can be tied back to you in any way unless you're a tripfag, even then people won't care.
>>128182040Tumblr and Reddit are not *exactly* anonymous and they're the same. Twitter or whatever it goes by these days too, to a lesser extent. It's the internet. We cannot afford to forget that as much as it has encroached into real life, it's NOT real life.
>>128182028Nope. It uses an overused format, unsubstantial text and is aimed at the insignificant, anonymous and unprofessional population of basket weaving mongolian imageboard. Evidently, it's as terrible as it gets.
>>128182068Evidently not
>>128182080Evidently maybe
>>128182067They're not the same. Composer/theory subreddits are more useful than anyplace else on the internet for music theory, for example.
>>128181776>>128181830Hey anon do you know which Bach piece has the best counterpoint?All of them.Just listen to all 1,128 piecesHere's a link https://www.youtube.com/You're welcome
>>128182101nice strawman, moron
>>128180817try K. 417
>>128182126it is precisely the same thing you did.
>>128182096the best place on the internet for music theory is annas archive lmao
I was going to dismas Zelenka but he's not bad
>>128182228True, the best way to learn is on your own. But sometimes questions need to be answered. Real-time guidance and corrections are necessary part of learning process, and books do not provide that. AI does to some extent, but it's not there yet, at least in music theory. Once it gets there, other places won't matter.
>>128182168>>128182126>>128182101you're both partially correct but off the mark. Anon 1, seeking the "best" Scarlatti sonata for counterpoint assumes one clearly stands out, yet Scarlatti’s 555 sonatas emphasize virtuosity and harmony over Bach-like counterpoint. Check out K. 87 or K. 27 for decent examples, though they’re less intricate. Anon 2, claiming all sonatas are equally great is valid, they’re concise and consistent, but it sidesteps the question and lacks insight. Bach’s 1,128 works cover diverse genres (Fugues, Cantatas, Concertos, etc.), so Anon 1’s sarcasm misses the mark; Scarlatti’s catalog is essentially only sonatas aside from a few sacred works, making the comparison uneven. stop arguing and be precise: Anon 1, specify what “best counterpoint” means; Anon 2, offer concrete suggestions next time.
>>128182345Do you know which Mahler piece has the best counterpoint? All of them
>>128182168Sure it is, champ
>>128182369>Do you know which Mahler piece has the best counterpoint?M5.5 and M9.3.
Sibelius piece with the best counterpoint?
>>128182635LOL
>>128178774>>128178774Hovanhess is pretty good. Check out all 424 of his pieces for the best counterpoint
Sechter is good. Listen to his 5000 fugues (midi, most of them are not recorded), there you will find greatest contrapuntal techniques.
>>128182693>>128182773ever seen a more bitter little boy
Top 3 greatest composers who died by conducting>Lully>?>...
>>128182926>Lully refused to have his leg amputated, fearing he would lose his ability to dancefucking frenchies I swear
>>128182926Eybler had a stroke while conducting Mozart's Requiem that he was originally supposed to complete. He lived for another ten years or so, but that stroke took him out of the music world pretty much entirely. He wrote some really nice chamber music and a couple of oratorios and symphonies which are worthwhile I think. Ironically his own requiem is shit
>>128181956huh that's the same label as >>128179929
Are you allowed to bring a gameboy or something in at Wagner's operas? 5 hours is a long time to sit doing nothing
>>128183030why is Celestial Harmonies at war with typography
>>128183038>5 hours is a long timeThen don't go>doing nothing>looking at the stage where the action is unfolding is "doing nothing"definitely don't go
>>128183038You sound like you have the kind of brainrot that makes you check your phone for 3/4ths of a movie you're "watching"
>>128183115nta Who doesn't do that? Are you unironically in your 40s? I grew up with flip phones and I instantly adopted the iPhone when it came out.
>>128183205>Who doesn't do that?People who haven't been mentally destroyed by abusing attention-span-destroying media, and actually want to watch the film?>I grew up with flip phones and I instantly adopted the iPhone when it came out...Okay? Congrats?
>>128183230>abusing attention-span-destroying mediaYou replied to me in a couple of minutes.
>>128183205I don't. I taught myself to be more attentive and respectful to the art I'm consuming, especially classical music, which is literal waste of time if you don't pay enough attention to it.
>>128183246you ever heard of 4chanx
I get physically restless if I try listening to classical music without checking my phone.
>>128183246....And? I'm here, not at the fucking cinema you utter clown.
>>128183264I'm not an image board addict so I don't need 4chan blugins or whatever.>>128183278Yes, you're here. Being an addict.
>>128183276I hear there's meds for that
>>128183276I'm surprised you even listen to classical
>>128183289Oooh, you're *stupid* stupid. Nevermind then, disregard everything that's been said and enjoy your phone time, ipad baby.
>>128183349I'm a NDS baby.
>>128178582>truth is boring because muh dopamine centers are fried and starved for noveltyweakling
wow you guys are fucking faggy pencildick nerds, no wonder classical is dead
>>128183476huh?
>>128183495point to the post that hurt your feelings
>>128180816Which set should I listen?
>>128183078>>128183115Never heard of Paul Morphy's Opera House Game?
>>128184496Morphy loved opera and he beat his opponents as quickly as possible so he wouldn't miss anything
>>128184496No.
>>128184541https://lichess.org/study/xAo78qLb/truC6WoMNorma has a pasta named after it btw-which I've tried and failed to make a couple of time
>>128184563I didn't say I wanted to.
>>128184587Well now you know
>>128178403Was listening to Chopin competition winners concert and Tianyao Lyu is absolutely flat (with a dress to show it). Damn delicious.https://youtu.be/ITbd9SiajUE?t=7231
>>128184796you listen with your eyes?
>>128184796maho more like my whore
>>128184805The primary activity is listening, even if I also watched.
What does it say about me if chess bores me to tears but I love backgammon?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBqZ9IDJOrMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU_jmvrPE_khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRx3j7kmhlw
>>128184833boardgames are a form of intellectual masturbation.
>>128184892So it's good
>>128184833It's surprising. Especially when you watch channels like Agadmator that got through all the moves and all the variants it's pretty fascinating. I'm pretty bad at it though
>>128185044>all the moves and all the variantsThat's part of why I don't care for chess though. I like the added factor of chance that tables games have.
>>128183724the stereo one, ie not the one you posted
>>128184796ok but is shie good?
Did pianism peak in the first quarter of the 20th century or around the middle of the 20th century? I constantly see people talk about Kempff, Richter, Arrau, Horowitz, etc. as the true greats, but then sometimes you hear them talk about earlier pianists like Godowski, Hofmann, Koczalski, etc. as the TRUE greats that have never been surpassed. Well which is it?
>>128185529yes
>>128185529middle > current > early
>>128183038do you not know German? dumbass
why can't they perform classical music during the Super Bowl halftime? c'mon
>>128185529baby, pianism is peaking RIGH NOW
There is no release that has all of Richter's recordings of Beethoven's piano sonatas, and as such, I won't be listening to it at all.
>>128185551>>128185611Mechanical, Asian virtuoso wankery isn't TRUE pianism.
>>128185706no one said it is, baby
>>128183038That's what the half an hour breaks are for.
>>128185752>5 hour opera>3 half-hour breaksImagine spending almost an entire work day at the opera just to watch Wagner. The epitome of excess. Gross.
>>128185810Wagner warned people that they mustn't engage in any serious intellectual activity on the day of the performance, recommending them to spend their time casually strolling, thus allowing for a fresh mind to fully appreciate the entirety of the work.
>>128185941Wagner was such a faggot, lol.
>>128185941>Wagner told people they need to be stupid for a day in order to watch his shitI agree
>>128185965Wagner was also a leech on society and his rants against Jews were a projection.
>>128185954>>128185965It's the same process for any ridiculously long artwork. If you know you're going to see a full performance of Hamlet or a seven hour long arthouse film you naturally restrict yourself from doing too much otherwise you'll be exhausted by the time you get out.
>>128186025Wagner's operas insist on themselves.
>>128185810>>128185954>>128185965>>128186033le epic anti-intellectualism
>>128186051get a STEM degree before even considering calling other people anti-intellectual.
>>128186051It's not antiintellectualism, it's antipseudointellectualism
>>128186025>exhaustedIf you're mentally weak, maybe, yeah. It's understandable that wagnerians would heed his advice.
>>128186085Anon stop LARPing, if you've ever sat in a movie theatre or opera house for five hours then you'd know this has nothing to do with mental strength. What makes it tolerable has more to do with familiarity with the work and relaxing yourself.
>>128186123Hey sure
>>128178550>>The 12 Greatest Contrapuntists of All TimeBach and 11 of his sons
It's going to take a while
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csO9ssCQvTk&list=OLAK5uy_kWFJ3zDivI1dBlckrI0CWxV-HJbvLAJn4&index=27
>>128185941Wagner said that his Operas were best enjoyed while playing Tetris
Wagner said that his Operas were originally meant to be a prank and couldn't believe people were actually staging and attending them
I watched Wagner's The Ring all in one go once and seven days later Wagner crawled out my monitor and started ranting about Jews
I realized almost all the sets I have for Mozart's piano sonatas are modern. What are some recommended older sets? Aside from Haebler and Arrau.
Wagner said that little brown boys are the best
>>128186910Lili Kraus
>>128185506All of them were good.
>>128187537ok but is shie good?
now playingstart of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 4 in D, Op. 83https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmE1uftIvBc&list=OLAK5uy_kjj9b8a7mpxoM5IAk5MtN_cKx-dUSL1D8&index=2start of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 8 in C minor, Op. 110https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6VBEALmCzc&list=OLAK5uy_kjj9b8a7mpxoM5IAk5MtN_cKx-dUSL1D8&index=5start of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 10 in Ab, Op. 118https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHtVd6z4-W4&list=OLAK5uy_kjj9b8a7mpxoM5IAk5MtN_cKx-dUSL1D8&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kjj9b8a7mpxoM5IAk5MtN_cKx-dUSL1D8
Wagner would often be invited to dinner by aristocrats and patrons of the arts wherever he went, and every single time when he was done eating the main dish he would loudly ask what's for desert. Afterwards he would again loudly state that he would have his coffee. Not ask for it, simply announce his want. Not necessarily rude, but still kinda weird and uncouth, you know?
>when its time for the daily reminder
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>Your Romanticism>My Foot>Your Classicism>My FistI will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and ProkofievThat is all
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms>No Perotin or Medieval Music
>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold
Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shitBelow is a list of acceptable Romantics:>Field>Chabrier>Franck>Tarrega>Wagner*>Any of the Russian 5>Grieg>Alkan>Late Beethoven
NO MOZARTNO CHOPINNO MAHLERALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIETHIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!SONATA FORM SHOULD DIEONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEATWHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITEBACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER
ty daily reminder sister
>>128189047anytime axe wound
>>128189047I really hope you're samefagging because I can' fathom what manner of brain-impaired midwit would acknolwedge spammers, nevermind thank them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a5XyIEmBYg>hyper-focus on a niche topichmm...
>>128189240boy would make a cute trap, just saiyan
>>128189194Just being polite.
>>128189260Do you say thank you to the drunkard who vomits on your shoes, curses you, then leaves?
>>128189267No, but I do say "bless you" when a stranger sneezes in my vicinity, provided I'm not tongue-tied in that moment.
why do women always try to rape me when i tell them i listen to Scriabin?
>>128189047who's sister? is your sister cute anon?
>>128189240god, i hate that cuck so much.
I unironically love Rose’s recording of the Lalo cello concerto. Rose managed to project over an orchestra while maintaining a beautiful tone - underrated cellist.https://youtu.be/mSo9wcZRxGo
>>128181674thismusical genius to me isn't about learning contrived stuff like counterpoint but to have an ear for hits. quirky taste isn't the same as good taste, good taste is about having a sense of what would be popular. a great chef would invent a dish that many people would like to eat if they can afford it. in classical music a great piece would be something like beethoven's fur elise. music and art not being about popularity is a cope, anyone would love to write hits if they could, not everyone wants to be famous but any sane person would happily take the money.
>>128189582Grosse Fuge wasn’t a hit - I think it’s limiting to call musical genius an ear for hits because hits are dictated by the audience, and audience tastes change. Wonderful art stands the test of time sometimes in spite of audience reception at the time it was made.
>>128189676>Grosse Fugesounds like wet dog and it doesn't have 100 million views. yeah it's by beethoven but every musician has filler content.
>>128189761This just highlights my point. Not a hit for you, but has been for many other people (including many composers). And I’m not saying you need to like the Grosse Fuge, I think it’s just a good example of the versatility that contributes to his musical genius.
>>128189761>Beethoven's late works>fillerUrge to strangle every normalcattle.
>>128189240The first point is part of the reason why I find music theory tubers so fucking insufferable, overcomplicating and mystifying music does nothing to help educate people and only makes people misunderstand simple concepts. I will say even this dude's friends engage in it when he gave the example of perfect pitch as if it's something you have or you don't. It's not something you have, it's something you know. For example: You know the pitch of E flat in your head, it's the first note of the first theme of Beethoven's Eroica (You know the duuuuduuuuduuuu duuuduuduuduuduuun dun dun). Unless you're tonedeaf, you can absolutely recreate and remember this pitch. As adults we might not remember pitches on their own that well, but we absolutely can remember them as part of a piece of music we know. The only difference between a child with "perfect pitch" and an adult who learned it this way is that the child will be slightly faster, but not more accurate, the accuracy is identical. If you combine it with a good relative pitch, now you have something basically as good as perfect pitch. And for tuning an instrument, this way of learning is more than sufficient. Wanna tune the E string of a guitar? Just remember the first note of BWV 548's fugue, do the same for other pieces of music and there you go. You can learn the entire chromatic scale this way and at that point you have perfect pitch. And this is what I mean, if you just explain it in an accessible and easy to understand fashion, any music theory concept is comprehendible to even the biggest retard. Jacob Collier is truly the epitome of a wise quote by Terry Davis>An idiot admires complexity, a genius admires simplicity
>>128181674>>Look at me I can play three different musical lines at the same time>>No they don't actually sound good but it's complicated which means its goodSometimes they sound good, sometimes they don't; just like any tool, you unnuanced retard.
>>128181950Just because it's a fugue? Is it because it's the only fugue you know by him? Be honest! He has a few more fugue-sonatas that aren't known by a nickname.>>128182147Like this one! Very nice, anon.>>128181679Ah, but that's just not true, is it? Not every piece is inspired, from any composer, and not all of Scarlatti's pieces are short or in the Baroque style. Some are quite long, some are simple, melody-and-accompaniment arias. I've already listened to all of them, some more than once, so I was curious what /classical/ thinks if they already think Scarlatti is one of the best contrapuntists. You're just posting the first one and weaseling your way out! Hehehe!
>>128186329>Carlo GranteBad choice! Listen to the Naxos volumes by different artists!
>>128182345Ah, it's me! I'm Anon 1! Hehehe. Well, my question was simple, vague, and open-ended on purpose, you see... I just wanted to see how people interpret "best counterpoint" in Scarlatti's output. I wasn't fishing for a single "correct" answer, just curious to see which sonatas others think best showcase his handling of counterpoint within his own idiom.
>>128190053Look at me I can combine three different lines on a canvas.>No the result doesn't actually look good but it's complicated which means its good.painting is overrated.
>>128190096Did you check who you replied to, anon? Did you hurt your head? Are you okay? Do you need some fresh air?
>>128190045>Just because it's a fugue? No.>Is it because it's the only fugue you know by him?No.>Be honest!I am.>He has a few more fugue-sonatas that aren't known by a nickname.Those aren't fugues, but use fugal techniques.
>>128190145>No.>No.>I am.Alright, I believe you!>Those aren't fugues, but use fugal techniques.That's why I called them fugue-sonatas, silly! Can't you read? Hehehe.
https://vocaroo.com/1eeBMAjhcDMP
NU>NUNU>NUThe 12 Greatest Harmonists of All Time ("bar none!")J.S. BachHaydnBeethovenSchubertBerliozChopinDvořákDebussyWagnerVaughan WilliamsBartókPoulenc
>>128190385https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s13EUKBfvLQ
>>128190385is Hurwitz an actual musician or composer?No, therefore he is not an authority on anything. now please fuck off.
>>128178550This is deranged and he clearly drank the Palestrina kool-aid just like everyone else
>>128181674Its none of those things lmao
>>128190385>no Scriabin, againPathetic.
>>128190427>blatant appeal to authoritylollmao, even
>>128190427He actually was a percussionist in an orchestra.
>>128190681Oh no Wait was he a timpanist or a percussionist
>>128190720Timpani is a percussion instrument. He also played piano and violin at some point, even learned Rach's C# prelude. Besides, you don't need to be a chef to judge food.
>>128190385his hate for mozart knows no bounds
>>128190814maho-kun and hurwitz should have a boxing match
>>128190814>mozart>great harmonistWhat's next, Mozart the god? He got top place in greatest melodists already. Fuck off you tourist imbecile.
>>128190848Mozart is the greatest composer of all time in harmony, melody and counterpoint. He is also very sexy and has a huge penis>t. not mozart
>>128190886But enough about Scriabin.
>>128190646fallacy fallacy.
>>128190935fallacy fallacy
>>128190427>only those who do the activity can comment or analyze itcringe
>>128190001good post
>>128190385>Berlioz>Dvořák>Vaughan Williams>Poulencbizarre choices
>>128191018cope harder, faggot.
A fact that everyone should at least intuitively understand:>we have to have finally also Vagnner.>Vagner, you know, I mean, people who like Vagner think he's the greatest at everything. People who like any composer think they're the greatest at everything, but they're not. And they don't have to be because genius composers are good at everything. That doesn't mean the the recipe that the balance of elements is equally prominent in all aspects of their art. And it shouldn't be because if everybody was equally good at everything, everything would sound the same. It would just be a a a a featureless blob of of of I don't know what. I mean, it's the differences that make these people interesting, the imbalances, you know. So, Vagner Vagner was a harmony guy ever from from Tristan and his older. Holy cow. The Tristan chord, chromatic harmonies, sludge. He invented all of it. Oh yes, I give him full credit for it. And so I hope all you Vagner people are happy because that's where he belongs. As well as, you know, one of the greatest orchestrators ever, especially in the field of opera, not symphonic orchestration, but oporatic orchestration.
>>128191054very compelling. please refer to: >>128178714
>>128191088Don't make me whiteknight a savior of classical music in a dead general of a dead board. Get used to Hurwitzposting, it's not going anywhere.
>>128191130get used to being dead.
now playingstart of JS Bach: Suite n. 4 in E flat major, BWV 1010https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAkLQkWNXCQ&list=OLAK5uy_lBE-ikdT1ouev9Udl4kS25CwASW9weJYg&index=20start of JS Bach: Suite n. 5 in C minor, BWV 1011https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc6b255TDp4&list=OLAK5uy_lBE-ikdT1ouev9Udl4kS25CwASW9weJYg&index=26start of JS Bach: Suite n. 6 in D major, BWV 1012https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8FJ4bQaI9Y&list=OLAK5uy_lBE-ikdT1ouev9Udl4kS25CwASW9weJYg&index=31https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lBE-ikdT1ouev9Udl4kS25CwASW9weJYg>Over the years, Bach s Cello Suites have become a monument to which all cellists pay homage. Though some of the greats waited until late in their careers to record them, (Casals, Rostropovich), others have recorded several versions (Yo-Yo Ma and Pieter Wispelwey two, Janos Starker three). Ophélie Gaillard is among the latter group. Her first recording earned international praise and a French Classical Music Award. Ten years later, she revisits Bach s masterworks performing on a cello made in 1737 by Matteo Goffriller, a contemporary of the composer.
>>128191054>one of the greatest orchestrators ever, especially in the field of opera, not symphonic orchestration, but oporatic orchestration.retarded distinction
time to revisit Karajan's (1980s digital) Brahms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I73vLjBHY8&list=OLAK5uy_kZGgcmUcF2vbcWYOtU8mdn7t9uVr8oncw&index=5Karajan is especially a master of the second symphony.
>>128191273It's not. Symphonic orchestration is in a different realm of forms and sonorities.
One of the things baffling about YouTube Music is when you search for music and recordings at-large, the search function works very well, almost perfectly (there have been a few occasions where things aren't labeled correctly and/or the search doesn't seem to register the main performer's name).Yet the search function within one's own library, of albums and recordings one has added, is utterly useless and broken. I don't understand. How can this incongruity be reconciled?
>>128191130who's the saviour of classical?
>>128191363>How can this incongruity be reconciled?It can't. Buy a cheap harddrive, pirate all the music you listen to and create your library as you will.
>>128191303So what's the Siegfried Idyll, operatic orchestration?
>>128191417Well, it's not really a problem because I use the primary search function to find the recording and listen that way, and then just as often I find my way to it either from the Recently Added or Recently Listened sections. It's just weird, like what's the point of adding things to your library unless you keep it small and tidy to where you can reasonably search through it visually in totality. Unfortunately I add recordings as a way to keep track of what I want to listen later, so that's not an option for me as I have thousands of recordings added. Still, it's weird, because they obviously know how to make a functional search bar. Maybe it's a way to prevent people from becoming completely insulated within their own libraries, so they continually explore new music they may come across by searching? I don't know.
>>128191420An exception. Single movement non-operatic orchestration that is obviously great but not anything of the symphonic scale or revolutionary in that genre.>>128191459>Maybe it's a way to prevent people from becoming completely insulated within their own libraries, so they continually explore new music they may come across by searching? That's possibly true. I've never used those libraries, so I don't know how they function, but can't you just scroll down and ctrl+f?
>>128191514>I've never used those libraries, so I don't know how they function, but can't you just scroll down and ctrl+f?I used to do that in the first few months when my library size was only in the few hundreds, but as it's grown to an unmanageable size, that's not really practical because the library is in an album cover view, and only loads a bit at a time, so you'd have to scroll down for quite a while in my case to get the entire library available on a single page to be properly ctrl-f'd if you get me. In hindsight, perhaps I should have been more discriminatory in the albums I added to my library, but like I said, it's a useful way to track recordings I'm interested in and want to listen to in the near future, particularly when viewing the library sorted by Recently Saved. Pic is sorted by A-Z and scrolled down a bit into the Bach section lol. So for searching through my Bach, it'd be useful since it'd load pretty early on, but getting to anything which starts with a letter in the middle of the alphabet would be unpractical this way, plus not everything is sorted probably (you'll notice in the pic these recordings start "Bach, JS: [Piece]", but sometimes it'll just be "[piece]" like "Goldberg Variations" or it'll be "JS Bach: Piece", etc.)In any case, thanks for taking the time to read about something as uninteresting as the finer functions of a streaming service you don't use lol.
orchestration is overrated. the actual music is more important.
feels like a Beethoven 9 morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6H9bMONCJA&list=OLAK5uy_kaqFqUByp_CNFNtepboUe6DTxa0p0yztI&index=34
>>128190741I wouldn't be so quick to lump the timpanists with the percussionists
>mfw pianist records only one book of Debussy's Preludes
>>128191579timbre is part of actual music.
>>128191704yes but not as important as the rest
>>128191704orchestration is essentially turd polishing and that is why Bach sounds good on any instrument.
>>128191579arranger bros, how do we respond?
>>128191837with "yes you are correct"
>>128191825Retard.
>>128191911there is no need to sign your posts.
>>128191925That is why I signed yours.
>>128190901Based. Gonna go listen to his 8th now.
>>128191605I like Blomstedt, his Prague recording is also very enjoyable, even does all the repeats.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaRuTF6Xi0kWell performed and uses the european seating arrangement while not being HIP and having crystal clear modern production>>128191579>>128191704I personally dislike orchestration when it's really boring, Chopin's first piano concerto is one that comes to mind. Though both of Chopin's concertos would have worked better if they were just entirely written for strings and piano only. I once went to a performance that arranged the second concerto like that and it was quite lovely. The best orchestration is when you only write for what you need.
rachmanino :3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm7wIy-kBY0
>>128191971>I like Blomstedt, his Prague recording is also very enjoyable, even does all the repeats.Lovely, thanks!
>>128191993Surprised I wasn't familiar with these pieces, I thought I knew all of Rachmaninoff's solo piano music. Guess not.
Scriabin’s breakfast
>>128191579Of course how the music sounds is important. Frankly I think it’s underrated in the classical world with too many people thinking pieces can be just transcribed to any instrument and it doesn’t matter it’s still the same piece
>>128191971>Chopin's first piano concerto is one that comes to mind. Though both of Chopin's concertos would have worked better if they were just entirely written for strings and piano only.Zimerman's rendition is pretty good, he improved the orchestration. Chopin's music played by orchestra has its own unique charm imo, even if if's not great. Recordings like Hofmann's and Rosenthal's cut some orchestral bits (like second theme of 1st mov in 1st concerto) also.
>>128192425https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maDgVXxV1b0case in point>>128191825lmao
>>128192593>piece still sounds goodthank you for proving his point
Scriabin’s best counterpoint?
>>128192627me when I'm deaf
>>128192635check the comments if you want proof you're alone on this one
>>128187879He was a swine. I’d have just ignored him till he asked politely and let his statement hang awkwardly in the air
>>128192656>the uncultured masses on youtube know better than you actually
>>128187879see: >>128186013
>>128192672yes, they somehow do. that's how dumb you are.
>>128190385Best Berlioz harmony?
>>128187879you can do that when you write Tristan und Isolde
>>128190427his obnoxious manchild personality is enough to discredit himironically with how he hates his music, he might've gotten along with Mozart (though I am sure Mozart was much funnier to be around)
>>128192861Ad Hominem
>>128192914someone's personality is a great indicator of their mind's contents and thus of whether or not they should have any authority when speaking
>>128192945Yeah, it's still an Ad Hominem my guy
>>128192861Actually his personality is why he should be taken seriously. He's not one of those "safe" softies and is not afraid of genuine criticism and critical thinking. And he is never arrogant either, although ultimately one has to lean eithe way and he leans more on the arrogant side,which is completely fine as long as you're not a softie yourself.
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>>128192593>>128192656yeah this sounds like shit. the glazing in the comments is from teacher/player nerds who enjoy the novelty at a celebral level (mental gymnastics) that it can be played at all on double bass. it's not a natural and sincere way to enjoy music.
*cerebral
