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Dvorak edition
https://youtu.be/kPezhIAMp-4

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>128178403
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We should make Hurwitz editions in the future.
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>>128193068
Dvorak Souls Special Edition
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Ives

https://youtu.be/xVj8LY347iQ
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Ives

https://youtu.be/FoBCKcw2zRU
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>>128193097
you should tie a noose around your neck and jump off a stool
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>>128193057
>and he is never arrogant either
are we talking about the same guy
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>>128193256
I did admit he leans arrogant, but he's not. His attitude might come off as arrogant at worst, but nothing he says does.
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You don't get to say whether a meal tastes good or not unless you're a licensed chef. You just can't know if it's good or bad unless you've been trained. Sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icZob9-1MDw
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>>128193684
>food analogy
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>>128193766
You don't get to say whether fucking feels good or not unless you're a pornstar with at least one award. Sorry, that's just the way it is. Without the award and the paycheck to show for it you might as well be a virgin. Them's the rules.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOlm0TGeZHY
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>>128193796
>>128193796
>Wagner's piano works
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A musician's opinion tends to be more informed and closer to the objective (you could call it 'intersubjective') truth, but a non-musician is just as capable of having such opinions.
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Top 3 polypaedo composers
>J.S. Bach
>?
>...
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>>128193796
I have the Iron Ring award
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>>128193684
Best Gordon Ramsey recipe?
All of them
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>>128194069
Can't you read? If you're not a professionally trained composer you literally cannot have any kind of opinion or notion about music. This is just the way of the world.
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>>128193684
99% of people have cringe taste, they might obsess about bach and nothing else, they might obsess about skrillex and nothing else, otherwise if they had excellent taste then it would tend to lead to them making music themselves with their taste guiding their decisions and leading to making millions of dollars. you can be a critic but you're going to get things wrong such that a majority of people will disagree with you.
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>>128194235
Bach and before Skillrex and after
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>>128194137
did you ever see a more bitter little boy
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>>128194235
gibberish
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>>128194264
Is this the start of a poem or something?
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>Listening to classical
>Think: "Mmm this is quite an interesting opening I like this"
>It's just the orchestra tuning up
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Hurwitz's favorite composers are Mahler and Bruckner and he doesn't care for Bach
this alone should exclude his opinions from having any merit
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>>128194633
Bach is a little overrated though, no?
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>>128194633
Hurwitz doesn't have a favorite, but if you should assign 3 to him, it would be Haydn, Beethoven and Mahler. Not Bruckner or Bach
>>128194772
Bach cultists are as bad as, if not worse than Wagner cultists. But no, he's perfectly rated by actual classical connoisseurs.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aT9kG7o_SE&list=PLhZN1UyI47QkYe6NC7v6ZM-9lLHY7cbsb&index=12
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Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDf2Ti4aZk0&list=OLAK5uy_mpqBol2xev7mUbPpB2q0qtwK0_-96yO-4&index=6
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>>128194802
>not worse than Wagner cultists
Literally impossible.
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>>128195017
Well, that was my initial thought, but as time goes by, it's proving to be otherwise. Bach cultists will insist that you should like him, despite never having listened to any other baroque composer whatsoever. Wagner cultists are a circlejerk, and the resident one is actually funny and I have nothing against him. Fuck Bach cultists.
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>>128195048
You sound like a bitter wagnerian setting a false flag
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>>128194802
"Bach cultists" are people with ears
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>>128195077
how dare you insult Wagner like that, I'll kill you
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>>128194772
Bach, like Mozart, is impossible to overrate, and holding this view (or better yet, knowing this centuries-old fact) is literally the only prerequisite to have your musical opinions hold any merit. know this and whatever else you say will be payed attentuon to.
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further proof that Bach is underrated
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The Bachcuck is falseflagging to make Wagner look bad.
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>>128195089
Cool story bro
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this place should have some sort of marking for your favorite musicians so that we could filter anyone who doesn't love Bach
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>>128195131
that was not a story
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>>128195132
That's fascism
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>>128195190
this isn't the state, retard
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>>128195209
That's not the definition of fascism
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Worst cultists

>Wagner
>Scriabin
>Mahler
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>>128195215
neither is >>128195132
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>>128195278
Scriabin cultists just want to have fun
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>>128195077
And shit inbetween them.
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>>128195278
Objectively speaking, Bach cultists are far worse than Mahler cultists.
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>>128195542
t. earlet
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>>128195556
>worse than Mahler cultists
the sheer state of bach denialists
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>>128195571
I can assure you, I've listened to more Bach than you have listened to every composers combined.
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Can we please have a bit of decorum in here, it's a classical music thread for Pete's sake!
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>>128196192
the fuck do you want, dicksleeve
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>>128195749
I can assure you I have fucked your mouth every night to completion for the past 15 years and you have lovingly swallowed every last drop of my vile, reeking, off-green dicksnot
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>>128196192
Right! Let's discuss Scarlatti's counterpoint and which pieces best showcase his mastery of it.
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>>128196696
did you ever see a more bitter little boy
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Upon further reflection, actually overrated.
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>>128196799
Slightly, yeah. Still one of the greatest.
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>>128196192
Is there anywhere on the internet to actually discuss music without all the retard and schizo shitposting? Haven't been on /mu/ in a long time and it's fucking dire now.
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>>128196825
>internet
>without all the retard and schizo shitposting
Do you go about your life expecting warm ice cream or dry water? Go meet people in real life if you don't like how it is on the internet.
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>>128196865
Sorry to inform you newfriend but it used to be possible to have a sincere discussion on this board. Maybe follow your own advice if all you can do is spew vitriol.
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>>128196782
Than you? No, not really, hehehe!
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>>128196799
Not overrated in the slightest. Underrated is more fitting, since his late works such as polonaise-fantaisie, barcarolle, 4th ballade, fantasy, cello sonata etc. are only comparable to late Beethoven in the brilliance of mastery in its craft, and not nearly as popular as his early nocturnes, concertos, waltzes etc. which are masterpieces in their own right.
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>>128197053
>Chopin
>underrated
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>>128197079
Further proof that Chopin is underrated.
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>>128197053
That's not how it works, buddy. Chopin's popular and early works are overrated, therefore even if his late masterpieces are underrated, it evens out, and he's still overrated.
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>>128197103
Further proof that Chopin is underrated.
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>>128197119
see >>128197079
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>>128197141
Further proof that Chopin is underrated.
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>>128196982
>used to be possible
You can't lie about that, li'l faggot. It's been like this since day one, except the racism went from ironic to sincere and the schizo shit from funny to sad.
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>>128194325
especially americans have comically low musical comprehension. 4chan seems to select for low functioning degenerates too. anon might hate the guts out of a song with 100 million views but simps for an obscure artist with 10k views over 10 years. why couldn't they become more successful if they're as good as you say they are? could it be that you're wrong, that you have bad taste, that you're a huge fucking retard with a piss poor school system and no music stars to host your kids shows etc when you were growing up so you have a clouded perception of what music even is, in the same way that you would never beecome proficient at advanced math and such and you wouldn't even dream of being a mathematician because you suck at math like how you suck at music?
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This is what convinced me he's the greatest musician in human history.
https://youtu.be/kEacb-9dc78?si=aPScQPb6HxqhwMMj
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Post tonalism was a mistake
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>>128194633
I only really like Bach's organ works.
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>NU
NU
>NU
NU

The 12 Greatest Classical Music Rhythmicists of All Time

Vivaldi
Beethoven
Dvořák
Nielsen
Roussel
Copland
Martinu
Gershwin
Messiaen
Harrison
Stravinsky
Nancarrow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku1uXUZ-P6I
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>>128197757
Did Dvorak miss a single list yet? Is he the GOAT?
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>>128197771
>Is Dvorak the GOAT?
yes, but not because he's on this clown's arbitrary list
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Tharaud's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg_nXlmcl9o&list=OLAK5uy_mFq5L7jijHUSMXeMRfMr4SGCwBMGxrDpk&index=25
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>>128193068
My favorite composer
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>>128197950
>arbitrary
He's more informed than you.
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Has this happened to you /classical/?
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>>128198291
I don't play the violin
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when is my Bach obsession gonna end, goddamn. every time I take a shower, I am immediately inundated with the mental earworm of his sonatas and partitas for solo violin or other masterpiece, it's too much, I want to enjoy other music again
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>>128198306
ngmi
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>>128198307
I hope your cancer goes away anon.
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>>128198307
Never. That's called Humanity.
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>>128198465
I just don't really enjoy the classical era aesthetic.
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>>128198465
Mozart cultists aren't annoying and dogmatic, thank god. I appreciate some Mozart cultism. And Chopin cultists are usually humble, and I am probably one myself.
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Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krC8GUMXGkY&list=OLAK5uy_mxNHLRbuSsANpy9WRwzTHwUI07ILdURaM&index=3
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>watching TV show
>smart, cultured character says, "I can't enjoy Mozart anymore. I've listened to him so much it sounds like pop music to me now."
hmm not sure that's how that works
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>>128198500
You don't need to be. The music and his life speak for itself. When I was 7, all music teachers I had already regarded him as the greatest.
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soulseek? no thanks, i prefer haydnseek
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>deBussy
what did he mean by this?
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How would you describe the difference between the Baroque and Classical eras? I can hear the difference but I have a hard time articulating it.
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>>128198533
You mean Chopin? If yes, then I know. But cultism stems more from the personal obsession with the composer's style rather than attempt at making some "statement" or whatever. But it's interesting, some cultists seem to be much less humble than others. I wonder what causes this. It could have a psychological or biological explanation of some sort.
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>>128198590
Then thankfully it's impossible to have a 'zart cult as he is the greatest who ever lived or ever will live.
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>>128198586
>I can hear the difference
just trust your ears my nigga
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>>128198611
That doesn't follow, but whatever floats your boat!
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>>128198586
one is like all about the rational order of things and the other is, uh, all about, uh, the rational order of things.... fuyck
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>>128198628
It does actually, if you read your post and my response afterward.
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>>128198636
I don't get it.
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>>128193068
Let's talk about properly underrated composers. Underrated here meaning "you need to seriously listen to classical to have even heard of them"
>Medtner
Extremely obtuse and almost never giving the listener a clear melody to hold on to, but much like the greatest composers, rewards repeated listens. Recommended works to get into him would be: Sonata Reminiscenza, Sonata Tragica, Sonata Ballade
>Alkan
Often maligned as a turbo-Liszt with no artistry, but much like the hungarian one, he actually has some really good stuff if you bother to look. Some of that would be Symphony for Solo Piano, Le Festin D'Esope, Op. 65 (the barcarolle in that set reminds me of Schubert), and the Esquisses.
>CM Widor
Underrated as fuck, though only because at his best he's a genius and at worse he's dogshit. His Symphonies for Organ are good from No. 5 onwards, don't bother with what came before.
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>>128198663
Alkan is cute but kinda hacky
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>>128197425
To be fair this is what every single Mozart piece sounds like
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>>128198741
And that's a good thing.
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>>128198663
>Let's talk about properly underrated composers. Underrated here meaning "you need to seriously listen to classical to have even heard of them"
this symphonist, Kurt Atterberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZcsKMet09A

and another symphonist, Christian Sinding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6GzHaOuVkc
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>>128198663
>Extremely obtuse and almost never giving the listener a clear melody to hold on to,
This is a major takeaway. No matter how you try to justify, it just is. I don't think he's underrated. Schoenberg also rewards repeated listenings (virtually all composers do), yet he's quite popular. Medtner's sonatas are pleasure to listen to, but once it's done I can't remember most of it. I don't know how many more listens it takes, but he doesn't hit the "memorable" spot like he should unfortunately. Being a good tunesmith is important to his style, but he just isn't.
>but much like the hungarian one, he actually has some really good stuff
I appreciate Liszt acknowledgement, and I do think Liszt tends to be slightly underrated simply because of his virtuosi reputation, but Alkan isn't. Same problems as with the former, although a composer not worth ignoring.
>>CM Widor
Can't speak on that, so I'll probably give you that one.
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If Count Kaiserling didn't fall asleep during Johann Gottlieb Goldberg's performance of the Goldberg Variations, was it played again until he did?
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Amazed at this recording of Tod und Verklärung. Never heard it sound this richly textured. The airy oomph at the moment of death in the climax was a really nice touch. If someone knows a better recording, please point me to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV3E45Jx1iM
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>>128198784
>This is a major takeaway. No matter how you try to justify, it just is.
I think this is a difference in approach. Obviously melody is a huge part of music, but I draw most of my enjoyment from the structure of the work itself - how "tuneful" it is doesn't matter as much to me, so long as the structure itself is artful. E.g. it's why I enjoy late Chopin much more than his early stuff, even when it contains some of his most inspired melodies (tristesse, ballade 1 etc.).
>but Alkan isn't.
I recommend checking out some of what I quoted, especially his op. 65 and esquisses. They're far more inward looking
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>>128198927
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LicPP6A703s
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did Bach write the Toccata and Fugue in D minor?
https://youtu.be/tRNqclF5Yvo?
thoughts?
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>when its time for the daily reminder
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>Today I will remind them

BAB
A
B

>DAILY REMINDER
>DAILY REMINDER

IAA
A
A

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>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
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>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Schoenberg or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?
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>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
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>Bach
>Machaut
>Ives
>Marais
>Buxtehude
>Stravinsky
>Reich
>Bartok

No Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No Mahler
No Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
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Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and Prokofiev

That is all
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Recently read pic rel. Was pretty good. Yall got fav bookz?
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>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court
>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School
>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms
>No Perotin or Medieval Music
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>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it
>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart
>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident
>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE
>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold
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NO MOZART
NO CHOPIN
NO MAHLER
ALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!

ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIE
THIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!

SONATA FORM SHOULD DIE
ONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!

HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEAT
WHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITE


BACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER
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Why havent classical music orcjestras incorporated electric instruments?
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>>128200307
ywnbaw.
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>>128200307
They have. Plenty of modern classical composers use electric guitars.
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>>128200307
Father of elecronic music is a classical composer, dumbass.
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>>128200525
On the second thought "electric" is not "electronic". I'm sure there are composers who use electric instruments, but it just destroys instrument's expressiveness and dynamics, so you can see why composers avoid such lowbrow styles.
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>>128200307
it's gay
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>>128200590
Why does it destroy exoressiveness and dynamics?
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>>128200620
The best electric pianos available still feel like absolute shit compared to the real thing, try it for yourself sometime. Imagine how much worse an electric violin would be
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>>128200718
I just think they are so powerful.
But you are probably right.
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>>128200620
It has less raw dynamic nuance. Acoustic instruments require careful, delicate techniques achieved through years of classical training, where almost each dB has its own distinct character. Electric instrument's dynamics often rely on pedals rather than skillful, organic control(this is because of lack of rigid classical techniques employed though) Distortion (if used) compresses dynamics, thus affectinh expressiveness and dynamics directly, e.g. how vibrato works.
Contemporary classical is pretty much dead. Barely anyone cares about classical music today, those who do, want to emulate authentic styles of old masters, rather than explore something new. Attention span among the general public has declined, and so did creativity among musicians/composers.
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>>128201089
You are very right about the attention span
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>>128201330
Attention span decline is partly why classical music is fading into irrelevancy. So new instruments, like the electric guitar, will likely never reach their full potential and will remain a pop thing. I believe they do have unique potential, despite lacking those raw acoustic nuances. Good luck finding a contemporary Bach or Beethoven who will write for and play those instruments at their maximum expressive capacity though.
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>>128193068
rundown on julius eastman, song recs?
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>>128200307
BARTLET
Do you know what they're playing?

CHARLIE
I'm sorry, sir?

BARTLET
The Reykjavik Symphony. Do we know what they're playing and for how long
they're playing it?

CHARLIE
[looking at program] It says here 'an evening of modern music.'

BARTLET
Turn the car around.

CHARLIE
[reading] 'The orchestra features 90 pieces, including anvils and castanets.'

BARTLET
Turn the car around.

CHARLIE
Modern music is cool.

BARTLET
Modern music sucks. Anything written after 1860 sucks.

CHARLIE
[reading] 'Samuel Barber, Symphony No. 2.'

BARTLET
Sucks.

CHARLIE
[reading] 'Stravinsky, Variations on a Theme.'

BARTLET
Sucks.

CHARLIE
[reading] 'Schoenberg, Enlightened Night for String Orchestra.'

BARTLET
Totally blows.

CHARLIE
[reading] 'After intermission, they'll be performing the world premiere of
a piece...'

BARTLET
Played on teapots and gefilte fish.

CHARLIE
[reading] '...by a new Icelandic composer.' They told me he got so nervous
when he heard you
were coming that he was rewriting the piece until 6 o'clock.

BARTLET
If he wants more time, I'd be happy to take a rain check.

CHARLIE
I thought you liked classical music.

BARTLET
This is not classical music. It is not classical music if the guy finished
writing it this
afternoon.

--- "Galileo," S2E09 of The West Wing
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>>128197053
He's no Beethoven, guy. lol.
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>>128200267
Is that Debussy staring him down?
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>>128203500
If we look just at peak within their respective forms (aka, Chopin for the solo piano + his cello sonata), it's very close. When you take versatility into account, yeah, obviously Beethoven clears, but just peaks? It's closer than you think. Chopin reached heights with the piano very few ever did.
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>>128203500
And Beethoven is no Chopin either, guy.
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>saves /classical/
https://youtu.be/HW0D8_kHIng
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>>128203542
>"Mozart is no Salieri"
I guess.
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Liszt and Chopin hit the same peaks as any other great composer. They just lack the versatility.
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>>128198942
>I draw most of my enjoyment from the structure of the work itself - how "tuneful" it is doesn't matter as much to me,
The problem is, for structure to make sense, one must connect the dots, and if you don't even see a dot, how can you connect it with something else? Maybe I just have to keep listening and tunes will start to click (although he's often referred to as tuneless Rachmaninoff, which raises my doubts).
>when it contains some of his most inspired melodies
I think his late works are just as good melodically, if not better. Not immediatelly accessible but still memorable.
>his op. 65
I'll check that out, thanks.
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>>128203573
Yeah, because no one knows Salieri's music, everybody knows Mozart's, Beethoven's and Chopin's. Not the parallel you should've drawn.
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>>128203626
>everybody knows Mozart's, Beethoven's and Chopin's
If that was true he'd be even more overrated. But it's not.
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>>128203650
Not sure who you're referring to, but neither of them are overrated.
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>>128197757
>STILL no Scriabin
God, absolutely fuck this retarded faggot jew. He's deaf as a post.
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>>128204575
We love and respect that faggot jew here actually. This is Hurwitzian general and we forgive him for excluding our lord and saviour Scriabin once again.
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>>128203669
it's not true that "everybody" knows chopin. piano nerds have learned the mental gymnastics to brainwash themselves into liking him but outside of pretentious classical dweebs no one even knows that he exists but he's overrated by dweebs.
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>>128205175
Nah, it is true. Some of the most famous classical tunes ever written are by Chopin. Out of top 10, at least 2 are probably by Chopin, the funeral march and nocturne 9/2. And every classical connoisseur has Chopin as well as Beethoven somewhere among their favorites. You can't say you're a classical connoisseur if you don't like these two.
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>>128200445
Could you give some examples? I'd love to hear this.
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The "this is the greatest thing ever conceived by human mind when I'm listening to it" piece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC4i_toAcX4&list=OLAK5uy_mj2A15CT1jKmybANFsu5-7KtPdg8wVSMU&index=1
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>>128205175
Can guarantee that if I asked every single person I know if they know who Chopin is, the majority will have at least heard his name and remember it, and none of them are "pretentious classical dweebs". Everybody who isn't a nigger or retard knows him.
>>128205319
There's a difference between having someone as your favorite and liking them. I like Chopin and believe it's bad judgment if one actively dislikes any of the great composers. That said, while I think Chopin wrote quite a few undisputed masterpieces, he's not even in my top 5 piano composers of all time, let alone top 10 overall.
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Mozart vs Bach

No, not in terms of who is a better composer, who would win in a fight?
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>>128205581
Obviously Bach. Dude went to jail for fighting someone. Mozart looks like a biter, he's weak and small.
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>>128205600
Mozart is a catboy so he might have a secretly high power level + high agility
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Mozart

https://youtu.be/RD1dSP4vhP8

huh, the false ending actually feels like a false ending here. There's a solid pause that often takes like a second in most other recordings I've heard. Lovely recording overall, if only stereo recording was invented at this time.

Honestly, I've never gotten how it took so long for someone to realize you can etch sound on a cylinder or disk, it seems so simple on paper that it's crazy how long it took for that to start being a thing. Imagine if someone came up with that idea 200 years earlier. We might have even heard Mozart himself perform, and then we wouldn't need to suffer the HIP.
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>>128205600
He went to jail for leaving his job, he was only reprimanded for fighting a student
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>>128205319
>funeral march
lmao it's used in a parody type of way like for a quick gag in a cartoon. i don't know anyone who listens to it unironically.
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>>128205790
Terrible bait made me reply 1/10.
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>>128205908
Have you tried rutracker, piratebay, soulseek?
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Thoughts on Sir Colin Davis?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcg_w9MSCoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7vMfnB1y7I
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>>128206291
That's my go-to cycle, I haven't listened to other cycles, but a few individual other recordings. I'll dig into other cycles once I'm in Mozart mood, whenever that may be.



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