The Greatest Human Being to Walk Upon the Earth editionhttps://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWgThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>128481027
Hello, friends.
I would never listen to any of Vagner’s repulsive operas, I only listen to Brahms and french composers.
>>128515103>The Greatest Human Being to Walk Upon the Earth editionChopin levitated confirmed?
>>128515108This is Dave Hurwitz, executive editor at classicstoday dot come, here with
>>128515103pbuh.
There was something Messianic about Wagner himself, a degree of megalomania that approached actual lunacy…He was a short man, about 5 feet, 5 inches tall, but he radiated power, belief in himself, ruthlessness, genius. As a human being he was frightening. Amoral, hedonistic, selfish, virulently racist, arrogant, filled with gospels of the superman (the superman naturally being Wagner) and the superiority of the German race, he stands for all that is unpleasant in human character…but his egomania was supported by genius, and after him music was not the same.There was no other composer who demanded so much from society, and Wagner was certainly not ashamed when it came to his needs: "I am not like other people. I need brightness and beauty and light. The world owes me what I need. I can't live with the miserable whistle of an organist like your master Bach." His selfishness was in madness.
>>128515103thats Bach though. But yes, Wagner is good. He was friends with Nietzsche btw.
Anyone else find a bit annoying those edits with anime girls?>>128515310Do you think Chopin fucked her?>>128515540Tell us more about himAlso>after him music was not the same.Elaborate?>>128515541Do you consider yourself an avatarfag
now playingstart of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 4 in D Major, Op. 83https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1by90Zr0d_k&list=OLAK5uy_mcg5lzOrDyNFhcLKo4VDGhVdM_z68SAoE&index=2start of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 6 in G Major, Op. 101https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmdJPzkAap0&list=OLAK5uy_mcg5lzOrDyNFhcLKo4VDGhVdM_z68SAoE&index=6start of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 8 in C Minor, Op. 110https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLd2ZlwWPNw&list=OLAK5uy_mcg5lzOrDyNFhcLKo4VDGhVdM_z68SAoE&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mcg5lzOrDyNFhcLKo4VDGhVdM_z68SAoE>In the Petersburg's reading, Shostakovich's dark pastoral, No. 4, opens anxiously, to say the least. One virtually hears the butterflies in the narrative's stomach. The piece moves quickly from gentle opening to dark-hued main body, as if leaping from spring to autumn without the benefit of a summer vacation. It gets as icy as it is compositionally demanding, even shrill at times. There's something distressed in the jittery quality of the players' lines, which don't progress a second without wavering microtonally. When spring returns, it doesn't manage to shrug off autumn's shadow, and the Petersburgs have proved themselves able storytellers. The jump to No. 6's cotillion of an opening movement couldn't be more pronounced, except for the way that Shostakovich warps familiar chamber motifs. The unease that marked the players' individual attacks in No. 4 is here applied to whole melodies, which sound Mozartean in their frivolity but are apt to dissolve into discord, as if in a disturbed dream. No. 8 bears the most distinctly Slavic cast, and provides a meaty counterpoint to No. 4. This is, sure thing, tough material: best suited to listeners for whom the traditional chamber repertoire has grown familiar, but who still want a sense of compositional grounding. --Marc WeidenbaumGot recommended this cycle of Shostakovich's SQs and love what I'm hearing so far, definitely gonna listen to the rest
>>128515591>Anyone else find a bit annoying those edits with anime girls?Nah, because this is 4chan. Even if one doesn't watch anime, like myself, it's still 4chan culture, and thus the appeal in mixing the culture should be obvious. And of course there's the obvious humorous if not sexual sublimation aspect of male /classical/ heroes coupling up with anime babes.>>128515108hey hey!
>>128515591>Do you think Chopin fucked her?No, Chopin saved humanity, just like Rei. Rei = Chopin (Greatest man in the universe who ever was or will be).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Fdaf1fwgg
>>128515591No because I also post frog. I just dont like switching folders around too much.
Boito is a better composer-poet than Wagner.
Bump
Daily reminder Classical and Romantic are trash and you should be Listening to BABIAA
Name a better Beethoven cycle. You can't, so don't even try. Seriously, don't even respond unless it's to enthusiastically agree with me.
>>128519311>name a more neurotic/bipolar and emotionally unstable performance of a shit composerFTFY
>>128519731I refuse to believe you're being serious. You can double down, but I'll just doubly not believe you.
>>128520002Well then, I guess i'll triple down
Gardiner, Herreweghe or Suzuki for St. John's? Or am I really overlooking someone?t. newfag
>>128521397Of those three, I like Herreweghe.But of course I'd suggest Richter's instead.
let's get choralhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku00SEkWw94&list=OLAK5uy_niNWGvwu5PVLhLMmYqW94or_AcoFo-cx4&index=5
>>128519311It's pretty good, and on some days I really like it. On other days, I prefer his older cycle with Dresden, and of course there's Karajan, Barenboim, and Bernstein/Vienna.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI38bPavKoo
>>128521397Veldhoven
>>128521742Choral emission
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTcqs5cREoU
>>128522179That's the other guy
Sometimes I get tempted to do a week or two weeks listening to only modernist/20th century classical (excluding anything with romantic ties so no Debussy, Sibelius, Scriabin, etc.), but then after a couple hours of it, it seems like such a thing would be unhealthy for the soul and injurious to the psyche, with all that anxious, dissonant, dark, even macabre music with no reprieve.
>As Jarrett said in 1991, "When I first saw these pieces in a music shop, I knew I wanted to play them. I recognised the language. But when I started playing them, they were so close to me that I knew I had to record them." He began including Shostakovich pieces in his recitals in 1985, alongside works by Beethoven, Scarlatti and Bach, and his Shostakovich recording followed his acclaimed account of the two books of The Well-Tempered Clavier. There was a musical-historical logic to the choice, as well: it had been a performance of Bach's "48" at a piano competition in Lepizig in 1950 that inspired Shostakovich to write his own cycle of preludes and fugues. "It didn't feel like I was playing someone else's music," said Jarrett of his first encounter with the Op 87. "[The pieces] are coming from some strange quirky place that I'm familiar with. They're not pianistic' in the traditional way..." Wilfred Mellers sums up the merits of Opus 87 in the liner notes: "If there is a single work among his large output that assures us that Shostakovich is among the great composers nurtured by our bruised and battered century, this collection of Preludes and Fugues is it. One might go so far as to say that it places him among the supreme composers in any phase of Europe's history. Listen and you will hear."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZvEsFSyjbU&list=OLAK5uy_m4YxuJ7e6kapstd0Yzb4qOjVAOWCK8Fmo&index=13I know this general hates Keith Jarrett but this is a lovely quote. Almost makes me wanna revisit his Bach.
>>128519311I'm not convinced by the 9th on it.
https://youtu.be/J6CK8IyRYng?list=RDprV14FxQ4r4&t=322is this recording posessed?
>>128522669I don't have a problem with Keith Jarret-but then again my taste in music is awfull from beginning to end
Is it true that Furtwangler refused to conduct Mahler because he was Antisemitic?
now playingstart of Mendelssohn: String Quartet No. 2 in A Major, Op. 13, MWV R 22https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwGwIyPLZiM&list=OLAK5uy_lSbkgy4aDzPjMOCH7MkSpnbC_q2uqWsrk&index=2start of Mendelssohn: String Quartet No. 1 in E-Flat Major, Op. 12, MWV R 25https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IY3vYKeupY&list=OLAK5uy_lSbkgy4aDzPjMOCH7MkSpnbC_q2uqWsrk&index=6start of Mendelssohn: String Quartet No. 3 in D Major, Op. 44 No. 1, MWV R 30https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d64orUT9-ec&list=OLAK5uy_lSbkgy4aDzPjMOCH7MkSpnbC_q2uqWsrk&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lSbkgy4aDzPjMOCH7MkSpnbC_q2uqWsrk>Unlike their Mozart (and even their Schubert), which leans toward the "historically informed" school of playing (with a slightly abrasive sound, sans vibrato, almost as if on authentic instruments), their Mendelssohn is completely different. It's as richly Classical, with a generous forward-looking Romantic warmth, as you could ever want. Yet at the same time it's fresh and invigorating. With a vibrant, exciting sound; clarified textures; ardent, sweetly singing phrasing; unanimity of ensemble; and endless variety of color and vibrato intensity - this group is very impressive here in Mendelssohn. Their playing exhibits many of the best qualities of the Dover (precision of ensemble and articulation, and incredible dynamic range), the Escher (sheer energy and involvement, plus that gorgeous, full-bodied sound), the Hanson (imagination and impressive dynamics) and the Aris (sweetness of expression and musical insight) in what is surely the most completely satisfying and exciting Mendelssohn cycle I've heard. ---- David Rowe, davidsclassicalcds
>>128523073No. Quite the opposite in fact, he went out his way to save Jews from the Nazis and somewhat defied the regine as much as he could
>>128523087>Joe, I told you to face the camera, the rest of us are. Please, Joe, for the album cover!>no
Liszt Sancta Dorotheahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FmvPv4F2cY&list=RDprV14FxQ4r4&index=3Hahn The Dreams Of Prince Eglantine
>>128523117Gorgeous
Alban Gerhardt's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKb49BbuXe4&list=OLAK5uy_nIsKzIzi13aKSzpuRSmha09bZ10CTqSj0&index=1
Sometimes I think: did Scriabin even know what he was doing?
>>128523214He was possessed by a hyperborean daemon
>>128523236Hyborea is Russia so maybe
>>128521750>Karajan, Barenboim, BernsteinEw.>>128523073He has a recording of Mahler, so no.
>>128523094>>128523314I've heard it repeatedly said that Furtwangler had disdain for Mahler and disliked conducting his music.
>>128523350He did, but probably not for le jews reasonFurtwangler thought that the most talented composer of the 20th century was Schoenberg, he just didn't like the 12 tone style. He still premiered a great deal of his music regardless, though
>>128519311Chailly and Gielen
>>128523214At the beginning he absolutely did. At the end, he knew how to write motifs and kind of build something out of them, but harmony is totally useless and dysfunctional.
Can one enjoy classical music without the ability of reading sheet music
>>128523609Of course
>>128523625I don't know, I see all these comments on Youtube saying that a piece is beautiful, but it seems like they're being disingenuous because they're not able to recognise different types of composition so their enjoyment is only artificial
>>128523701>not able to recognise different types of compositionOr maybe you aren't able to recognize anything that isn't popslop written in the past 50 yearsClassical music might take some time to click, but it's worth it, since it is infinitely better than other types of music. Keep listening, maybe try different recordings, and pay attention. You will undoubtedly understand any great composer.Out of curiosity, what piece were you listening to?
>>128523749I disagree, I'm new to classical but I don't think it "clicks". It seems to me you can't understand a composer like that. You can't say you understand a composer until you can at least read what he composed, and I would even say, until you can play him or write something in the same veinListening to this right nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWwFrGed7W4
>>128523848>I don't think it "clicks".You're new, so trust someone with experience, yes it does click. It can click for anyone who likes music.>you can at least read what he composed, and I would even say, until you can play him or write something in the same veinAnd you're incorrect. You don't need to read, write or play music to enjoy or learn to enjoy it at all. Composer's main purpose and goal was to please their audience (especially during the classical era), do you actually think they expected people to read along or be able to play their music? Nonsense.Please get that out of your head and try different composers, pieces. Now I'm being subjective, but Bach is not an easy composer to get into as a beginner. Whereas Beethoven, Chopin, Mozart, Tchaikovsky are quite accessible as well as the peak of pristine, I would suggest you start with those composers. Try Beethoven's sonatas, ones with names (Pathetique, Moonlight, Waldstein etc.), and you'll find your ways around from there. And of course you can always ask for rec here. Recording, pieces, whatever.
>>128523848Oh and also, you can also check out this channel if you're interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckcvYwUrPQ0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPKw3q36EPUHe has list of pieces for beginners, recording recs, general talk and what not. Don't feel overwhelmed, go at your own pace and you'll discover great music even on your own. And I guarantee you'll enjoy your journey.
>>128519311Beethoven is Barenboim all the way.>>128521397None of those.Try Ton Koopman or Jos Veldhoven for authenticism. Tho I myself am quite a fan of more romantic interpretations as well.>>128521714As a Belgian myself I deffo must say that Herreweghe ALWAYS is the wrong option. Herreweghe takes way too much liberties and makes everything sound like shit. I bet Herreweghe likes to smell his own farts.But I wasn't here for that. I actually wanted to bring up the topic of more obscure composers. I would like anons (from european countries) to share some composers from their motherland. Especially the not so well known ones.As I said before, I'm Belgian and we have a very rich classical music culture and history. I would like to introduce a very well known classical composer in Belgium called: Peter Benoit.He was a romantic era composer. For example, he wrote an incredibly large work called "De Oorlog"(The War). It's an oratorium piece which deffo can match the german greats of the same period. Requires 4 choirs, full orchestra, handful of soloist and a bunch of eclectic instruments. According to Benoit's wishes it can only be performed once every 10 years (I believe). And due to it's massive scale and production costs, it rarely gets preformed. When it does get performed, venues sell out immediately.Here's a link to download an album which features some of the (orchestral) works by Benoit. (Including De Oorlog). I hope you'll all have a listen to it. https://uploadnow.io/s/d33cc97f-7582-4512-a0ee-4357a14f6c7ePlease do share more obscure composers and works of any line-up. I'm always on the lookout for new music to listen to.
Brahms Glen Gould Intermezzo no2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wjqpCh7a4Y&list=RDprV14FxQ4r4&index=16
They should make a robot where you can ask it what the best version of something is, you can just ask it what the best Mahler 3 is and it'll tell yoi
>>128524577beep boop haitink/concertgeobouw beep boophttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKa38Jhj59A+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3anlaHs2dfw
>>128524597Also what's up with this channel, they're uploading classic classical CDs nonstop!
The suspiciously named Ben Bliss singing 'L'heure Exquise'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl22CLqxwus&list=RDprV14FxQ4r4&index=18
now playing, time to try an unfamiliar composer, Heitor Villa-Lobosstart of Villa-Lobos: Symphony No. 1, Op. 112, W. 114 "O Imprevisto"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRMb50wEVDU&list=OLAK5uy_mN4V-A_tkLDW049v5ykIPFQGB9h-IiSFE&index=2start of Villa-Lobos: Symphony No. 2, Op. 160, W. 132 "Ascenção"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4DOAst0ADI&list=OLAK5uy_mN4V-A_tkLDW049v5ykIPFQGB9h-IiSFE&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mN4V-A_tkLDW049v5ykIPFQGB9h-IiSFE>Heitor Villa-Lobos’s first two symphonies take the European tradition head-on, absorbing French models prevalent in Brazil in the early 20th century. The confident swagger of the First Symphony is characteristic of Villa-Lobos’s ‘Brazilianness’, while the cyclical Second Symphony filters myriad influences including the music of Tchaikovsky, Rimsky-Korsakov, Debussy and Puccini. Its slow movement 7 heralds the affecting melodic content that would later become the trademark of the Bachianas Brasileiras [Naxos 8.557460-72]. This is the sixth and final volume of an acclaimed complete edition of Villa-Lobos’s symphonies in which ‘Karabtchevsky leads the way’ (Gramophone).
>>128524449damn that's super obscure, thanks. Added that release
>>128524668He's a palm tree?!
>>128524714>Man, that photoshoot was a bust. They're not gonna be happy when we get back to the office and show them these... wait, stop the car! Pull up next to that palm tree, I got an idea...
I should have started maintaining my own list of lesser-known composers and their works a long time ago. There's even some whom I have forgotten their name and thus am unable to listen to them again. Of course, one might say, "if you can't remember them, then they probably aren't worth listening to anyway".
Do you guys prefer Brahms' first piano quartet better in Schoenberg's orchestration or in it's original form?https://youtu.be/jMQ5riPGpho
Can anyone here make an impassioned plea as to why live classical music is better than recorded?Shit gets expensive man.
>>128524449did you peep >>128524668
>>128525517Depends on my mood but generally the chamber quartet form. Not familiar with that recording, sounds nice.
>>128525539Depends on the piece. A symphonic piece is definitely best live. A chamber piece is perfectly fine in recorded form. Mainly as you can barely hear chamber music in a concert hall without amplification unless you're rich enough to hire musicians in your own house
>>128525567>A symphonic piece is definitely best live.Nta but you haven't elaborated on why symphonic pieces are best enjoyed live. With modern surround technology (Atmos for home etc.), there's functionally no difference.
>>128525539You walk and spend some time outside, this gives your brain time to reset from all the dopamine frying at home, and you end up enjoying the music more even though there is technically no difference.
>>128525567>>128525653The eyes get to see them play too. And you can focus on who/what you want to focus on. No cameraman/director deciding who has got the focus.
>>128525653>You walk and spend some time outside, this gives your brain time to reset from all the dopamine frying at homeWhy would I ever do that?
>>128525660Yup. Also you are forced to engage with the music, there is no other choice. No friends, family, pets or whatever to disturb you. On average, you end up enjoying it more than at home. It's just how it is.
>>128525684All true, but ticket prices are way too expensive, especially nowadays.
>>128525785I just don't go to live performances anymore. Rather use my money on other things. Recorded music at home is plenty fine for me. Concerts are, for me, primarily a social thing.
>>128525785Yes. Classical music is comitting suicide. Its death is guaranteed and people who don't see that are willingly blind.
Honestly, great.
>>128525926music to play when I have friends and/or a girl over and we're doing coke and having sex
>>128525926His diet consisted of only white food (egg whites, rice, milk etc)
>>128521947this kills the crab
>>128525973that was a joke
>>128525973i remember a girl in a deli telling me her friend only ate white food
>>128515591>>after him music was not the same.>Elaborate?Classical Music without Richard Wilhelm Wagner would amount to basically nothing.It Was Wagner and Ludwig The II who created Neuschwanstein, the castle which inspire Walt Disney and his entire career. Without Wagner there will be no Disney, no fairy tales, no pre-war thinkers and leaders. Without Wagner there would have been no german nationalism, no Hitler, no Bruckner, no Mahler (Ironically a Jew), no Schoenberg (Ironically a Jew). The German Spirit was founded by Beethoven and Awakened by Wagner.
>>128525926His name and influence sadly and ironically undermine his work as a composer. He's le memey trollface guy who was doing dada and surrealism and some very post-modern stuff before even turn-of-the-century modernism was fully formed, and he was revered by a lot of composers that would come to define said period, yet other than Gymnopédie nº1 and the second (or was it the third?) Sarabande people seem to know next to nothing about his work.Such a shame, too, since it covers a wide gamut of human emotion and expresses it in memorable, highly concentrated forms. Not to mention his ear for orchestral colouring was nothing to sneeze at. The sincere tenderness of Fils Des Étoiles, the solemnity of Messe Des Pauvres, the (non-sardonic) good humour and protean versatility of Sports Et Divertissements, the tonal and metric daring of Vexations and yes even the Gymnopédies; the rich, lush sonorities carried by a kind of orchestral rhythmic gymnastic of Parade, Mercure, Relâche... Iunno, man had a lot more to offer than six meme pieces and a (admittedly well earned) reputation for trolling.
>>128526014What joke? It is from a primary source afaik, he also had only white furniture and white clothing, and he was generally seen as very eccentric and strange.
>>128526050what about the green suites
>Classical Music without Richard Wilhelm Wagner would amount to basically nothing.>I mean come on, no Disney? No nazis??? What kind of world would that be, for classical music?????????
>>128526045He influenced composers who are far more popular (Debussy and Ravel), which is bizzare.
as a layman, all I know is classical pre-Wagner consisted of like 8 colors and after Wagner, it expanded to 20
Hello friends of all kinds, in the immediate future I shall be exploring the works of Michael Tippett so if I warm up to it (extremely likely) get ready for about one or two weeks of me shilling him before y'all's putrid vibes put me off it
>>128526078Godspeed and godblessturns out the English can into piano music
>>128526074Not to mention he was, for some strange reason, the mentor and main influence on Les Six. Much as I like two (maybe three) of them, I don't think of any of them as highly as I think of Satie
>>128526050One of the most notorious anecdotes about Satie is his peculiar dietary habits – consuming only white foods such as eggs, sugar, and “grated bones…cotton salad.”This detail, often cited as evidence of his eccentricity, is actually taken from a humorous piece titled “The Musician’s Day” published in Revue musicale in 1913.During the 20th century, Satie not only composed humoristic music but also contributed satirical writings to various publications.To grasp his humor, one must understand the cabaret humor prevalent at the time, akin to today’s SNL sketches. Satie’s wit was sharp, his targets varied, but his intent was clear – to poke fun at societal norms and pretensions.
WHAT ABOUT THE TWENTY GREEN SUITS
the only worthwhile thing Wagner ever did was influence a handful of french writers who, seems to me, were bound to be deeply touched by any lush orchestral work with moderately complex librettos (or even instrumental stuff) sooner or later because of who and how they were (and also because of drugs). Imagine symbolism had the fellas been into Liszt or Berlioz.
>His diet consisted of only white food (semen)
>>128526078thanks for the tip(pet)
There are some days when I think Elgar's Violin Concerto is the greatest violin concerto of all timehisshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eioIa_ELIUUno hisshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei4BiDYU1m4
Just take a good look at this filth that is being uttered here. You can only imagine how harsh and solitary life must have been for an artist like Wagner back in his living days. Not only was he the Prometheus that brought the humans such magnificent revolutionary theater, he was also the natural force of goodness. His work brings out human positivity and empathy, it makes you go out and plant trees, build castles, donate to churches and charity, and be honest and just...this positive "vibe" that is imbibed in you from the enriched music of Wagner shows just how great the German was.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW5L5fviP4M
>>128526207It's only a few years apart from Bartók's and Sibelius's so it's a tough call for me, but definitely one of the greatest of the 1850-1950 period
>>128526233>wankzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>128526147You must Tippet!
>>128526233It's all about the castles and the trees buddy
>>128524668>>128525557I did, but I'm already quite familiar with Villa-Lobos
>>128526309Ah damn, I'll try and do better next time!
>>128526277Sir, what?
>>128526424Tippet good
now playingstart of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 5 in D Minor, Op. 47https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJY6ATiQxZA&list=OLAK5uy_mG7oCN6WiN8vFq5leHXlaxO8pEhB0HYIk&index=17start of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 6 in B Minor, Op. 54https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uGC2p4vPwk&list=OLAK5uy_mG7oCN6WiN8vFq5leHXlaxO8pEhB0HYIk&index=21start of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 7 in C Major, Op. 60 "Leningrad"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3M1F0Elkkg&list=OLAK5uy_mG7oCN6WiN8vFq5leHXlaxO8pEhB0HYIk&index=24https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mG7oCN6WiN8vFq5leHXlaxO8pEhB0HYIk>In the fifty years since Shostakovich's death, his stature has only continued to grow, and he is now recognized as one of the greatest composers of the twentieth century. Was he a loyal servant or an embittered closet-dissident? For BSO music director Andris Nelsons, these questions are irrelevant, "The greatness of his music lies beyond politics. It speaks to people whether they know the times he lived in or not." 19 CD boxset.
>>128526045I think people know Gnossienne too, but maybe I'm wrong?
Much like greek tragedy and even the theatre at large there is no place nor need for opera anymore, and arguably there hasn't for more than half a century. Unlike pure, abstract music, or even non-narrative, picturesque programme music, works made to carry a text-based narrative have proven to be a transient, contingent product of a cultural adolescence that we are now finally growing out of.
>>128526558Yeah, when I mentioned the Sarabande I actually meant the Gnossienne nº1. That and the first Gymnopédie are basically all people know. And few pieces for piano solo have been more frequently used and abused in popular culture, I think.
>>128523214Scriabin did know what he was doing and like Schoenberg he realized dodecaphony is romantic harmony taken to its logical extreme. >>128526077for a layman you are basically correct but I would include Liszt in that mix too.
now playingstart of William Alwyn: Symphony No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=213UwSIgjc8&list=OLAK5uy_l8iYx5UH7rqZY669-t-SQXdXHgd-O4pSQ&index=2start of William Alwyn: Symphony No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj3lnlNwHf8&list=OLAK5uy_l8iYx5UH7rqZY669-t-SQXdXHgd-O4pSQ&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l8iYx5UH7rqZY669-t-SQXdXHgd-O4pSQif you like to read reviews while listening like me,9-9https://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-126085 stars (silver? idk i've noticed sometimes the 5 stars is silver and sometimes it's gold, and I'm not sure if that's a real distinction here)https://www.classicalsource.com/cd/william-alwyn-symphonies-1-3>A most rewarding issue, which I recommend strongly. ---- John Quinnhttps://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2006/apr06/Alwyn1_8557648.htm
>>128528474>you are basically correctNo
>>128528486read Howard Hanson. Wagner (pbuh) was exploiting the expressive possibilities of set theory over a hundred years before it was formalized.
>>128528509Fuck off
>>128528524read a book you retarded faggot.
>>128528533I read more than any wagnertranny
>>128528538Pitiable little creature, is it any wonder your palpable anger is cause of your neurotic neglection and perversion of art?
>>128528486?The difference is almost as stark as when black-and-white film/TV started filming in color, as the difference is between the fundamental elements in the music of those like Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms, Mendelssohn, and those like Mahler, Liszt, Strauss, Sibelius, Tchaikovsky.
>>128528538Wagner broke you.
real tranny hours
>>128528562Wagner was the best thing before sliced bread.
>her face when I start playing Schubert's late string quartetsmy bony hand on the left
Why do so many people here hate Barenboim?
>>128528601Some of it's meme-ing, some of it's because he's at the top of his field, some of it's because they prefer swifter, taut performances to Barenboim's generally heavy-handed, generally ponderous approach, and some of it's because he's a J.oh and cheating on the immortal Du Pre
>>128528601I think he's excellent. A worthy inclusion to any musical collection for a wide array of composers. However, even though I think he has consistent high quality, I must admit he rarely breaks through from the tier of 'very good' into 'best recording of a piece'. Maybe his Mozart's Violin Sonatas? Maybe his Elgar's Violin Concerto? And maybe if you catch me in the right mood I'd take his Beethoven symphony cycle over the likes of Karajan and Blomstedt.
>>128528601right cunt
>>128528658The only recording of a piece with him that I'd consider the absolute best is Messiaen's Quatuor, and I do not know to what extent his presence is responsible for that.
>>128528601poor man's furtwängler but he does have a few good orchestral recordings. not a great pianist.
Anyone else love-hate Mahler?I can listen to one of his symphonies and hate it one day, and then love it a month later. I honestly don't understand it.Also, what's your favorite Mahler cycle?
>>128528697>poor man's furtwänglermore like Furtwangler is a hisster sister's Barenboim
>>128528701A B B A D OBBADO
>>128528701Bertini is most consistent.
>>128528701>Also, what's your favorite Mahler cycle?If I could only pick ONE? Uh, maybe Bern-- no, Chai-- no, Tilson-Tho-- no, Kubel-- no, Sinop-- Abba-- no, I can't choose!
>>128528714I should revisit that one. I know there's one reviewer whose tastes I kinda respect that considers Bertini's Mahler 6th a reference recording. Honestly, I think the last (which was also the first) time I listened to it I kinda rushed through just to get to the 8th everyone was talking about, which is great, but I didn't get to appreciate the rest of the cycle.
>>128528701There's no completely successful cycle in my opinion. Sometimes aiming for a cycle is detrimental to the enjoyment of the works.
>>128528701ChaillySolti would be up there if the horns weren't so nuclear-blasting.
now playingstart of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 12 in D-Flat Major, Op. 133https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0bDlT45GRU&list=OLAK5uy_mw4BcdUXkDr7Q8knNM5ScQFGRtmiPBzyQ&index=2start of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 14 in F-Sharp Major, Op. 142https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TflKHzCDlYE&list=OLAK5uy_mw4BcdUXkDr7Q8knNM5ScQFGRtmiPBzyQ&index=4start of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 10 in A-Flat Major, Op. 118https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQGgb1n5Knc&list=OLAK5uy_mw4BcdUXkDr7Q8knNM5ScQFGRtmiPBzyQ&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mw4BcdUXkDr7Q8knNM5ScQFGRtmiPBzyQdope cover
>>128528701I relate to that. A lot in Mahler really annoys me.
>>128528740>Solti would be up there if the horns weren't so nuclear-blasting.That's what happens when you spend too much time conducting Wagner
>>128528734I like hearing the total vision of a conductor. But you're right, no cycle is flawless.Personally I like getting a bunch of cycles and then forming a best-of.
No one Mahler cycle has the best or even top-tier recording of each symphony, but there are certainly a handful which have at minimum a solid performance of each.
>>128528748Yeah, that's probably true. Anything that's more tempered ends up sounding too weak, no matter how appropriate it may be.
>>128528799Also, your hearing becomes severely damaged
>>128528780>or even top-tier recordingYeah, this is bullshit. Quite a few have multiple top-tier performances.
>>128528817Of each, anon, as in of every single symphony, of the entire cycle.
>>128528824Sorry, I misunderstood.Yeah, I fully agree that no cycle is top-tier from beginning to end.
Beach, Bridge, Stenhammar, Bruch, Martinu... more recs for lesser-known string quartets? or quintets or sextets or piano quartets or w/e
>>128528850Tippett
Messiaen anons, how's this recording? A lot of positive reviews calling it the definitive renditionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9a1ukSuOlg&list=OLAK5uy_m6OEfzVAa-hmEhrrGe5d1Jr_g_hCnEuO8&index=3
>>128528895alt cover
>>128528714I've never heard a recording featuring the that orchestra that didn't sound anemic, but I'll check it out.
>>128528895>definitiveNo. No, no no. Loriod's, by far. Who's saying that? Insane.
>>128528913Do you just really like Yvonne Loriod's or you've actually heard several different recordings of these works and think hers is the best by comparison? If it's the former, I'll still respect your opinion.
>>128528895I've only heard the Loriod performance because I'm a filthy casual.
>>128528919I haven't heard a LOT (there aren't), but I've listened to four of them, including Ugorski WHICH IS FINE. But yeah, Loriod made the definitive recording and the rest don't come close, or at least don't offer any particularly interesting alternative.
>>128528934>fourFor the record, one of them was Austbø's, which I think is better than Ugorski, and the fourth one was some asian man whose name and performance have not persevered in my memory.
>>128528934Thank you. Guess I'll listen to some of Yvonne's tonight then (I did peep her Vingt the other day). I'm also looking at Austbo's Messiaen project because I'm reading his is a gentle, meditative perspective, which appeals to me as opposed to emphasizing the dissonance and sharp severity like I've heard Aimard's can be.>>128528944Noted :)
So where do I go after listening to Messiaen's piano music? What's more like this?
>>128529527Messiaen is unique. That said:>>128503463
>>128529545tyvm
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCXe937acjQ&list=OLAK5uy_kMlzvVSChLKj1Qu-U9Gbd6UhoXnNPmOVg&index=1
Life has become so beautiful because of Wagner and his music.
>>128530371kill yourself
I remember the first time I listened to Shostakovich's Symphony No. 11, I kinda had it on in the background while doing other stuff, and when it finally ended, my reaction was, "wait, nothing happened... did I fall asleep?"I've come to enjoy it and the 12th since then though. They're especially great for, uh, falling asleep.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w9_vDrWq58
I remember the first time I listened to Shostakovich's Symphony No. 11. It was 53, Bernstein was in the podium with the trusty USSR Symphony Orchestra. I'd never heard Shostakovich before, and found myself thoroughly entertained. I'd heard Shostakovich was a dread-loving fellow, and it certainly showed in his music. I distinctly remember bopping my head to the folk tune of the first movement. But nothing could prepare me for the absolute show of wit that was about to come after movement number 4, when nothing happenedNothing! "Oh Shostakovich" I remember thinking, barely managing to think straight at all between my chuckles and wheezing. "What a prankster! What a jokester!"The audience attemped to calm me down, some even asking how I'd not known about the famous nothing by then, popular as it was. Were they not happy one had been lucky enough to live to that point and still feel the pure, unadulterated Shostakovich genius? Were they jealous? I did not know then, and do not care now.I tried to calm myself, but kept chuckling all throughout the severe reprimands of the KGB agents scattered around the common seats. At that point I feared for my life, such was the lack of oxygen from my guffawling fit.They only managed to removed me from the facility putting an end to my disruption after I'd already soaked the floor in urine. I spent 17 years in a gulag. Worth it!
>>128528701I hate the fact that Mahler is such a terrible melodist, almost as bad as Beethoven. It annoys me sometimes. But his orchestration and everything else makes up for it so I'm alright.
>>128531066Beethoven is a much better melodist than Mahler.
>>128531066>Mahler was a bad melodistbait should be believable.
>>128531302Dogma should be defensibleRitual should be repeatableLiturgy should be legibleBelief should be beautifulWhat fulfils these conditions in the decadent modern world in which "God is Dead"? Answer: the holy poetry of Richard Wagner and his "Sacred Festival Stage Play" which transforms and supersedes religion.https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg?list=PL_Cf5Xxn5OZY1gE9zsWHAjXz6MVz9IZYS
>>128531153Beethoven is a shit melodist so there's not even an argument there>>128531302He was. Barely above Beethoven in that regard.
>>128523214It's very obvious to anybody who can read and listen to music that he clearly knew what he was doing. A starting point is realizing that his influences were Chopin and Tchaikovsky, then Liszt and Wagner. He was building from that and it's obvious what he was going for with his coloristic harmony and condensed form.
>>128528895>not Loriod>definitive renditionChoose one. His wife's recordings are the best, by far. Yes, even for Vingt regards (despite what some guy in the previous thread said).>>128529527This is hard to answer because you can go in one of two directions. Either you go backwards and listen to>late Scriabin (White Mass sonata)>late Debussy>middle period Szymanowski (Metopes & Masques)>Sorabji (nocturnes)>Koechlin (Les Heures persanes)or you go forwards and listen to>Boulez (piano sonatas)>Takemitsu>Stockhausen maybe?But basically like >>128529545 said; he's unique, so nothing will scratch quite the same itch.
>>128531492Beethoven demonstrated time and time again that he was capable of writing great melodies. His style was a deliberate decision and if you think he just fumbled into it you're a moron.
>>128531908>Beethoven demonstrated time and time again that he was capable of writing great melodies.picrel>His style was a deliberate decisionNo fucking shit you spastic twat.Every composer's style is a deliberate decision by definition. Unless you argue that there is no free will (which is absolutely correct), then nothing is deliberate. Kill yourself and never reply to me.
>>128531948Sad, arrogant, low-iq post.
So who's better: Scriabin or Stravinsky?https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uHd4upsBwnM
>>128532463But enough about you, clown.
>>128532624I'm one of those very few who simply does not care for Stravinsky, almost at all. He's cold, sterile, "modernist of the modernism" type. Scriabin is the exact opposite, he's the embodiment of romanticism and one of the finest composers. That's how I feel.
Beethoven was not a great melodist, and some of the orchestration is even bad. What makes it interesting is the form. With Beethoven, the form is all; because it is a case of what note succeeds every other note. In Beethoven’s case it is always the right next not. No composer had that, not even Mozart, to that degree. Where everything is so unpredictable and yet so right. It all works out. You can rely on it. You know the next note has to be the next note and the only next note. That makes his form perfect. How he had this, nobody knows, because he struggled, he scratched out, If you see his sketches, you see the agonies that this man went through. And what appears as the final product looks as if it was simply ‘phoned in.’ Directly from God. That’s what’s so incredible.
>>128532776What's funny is that stravinsky admired scriabin quite a bit but scriabin simply did not care about stravinsky's pieces at all
>>128532784Bernstein is obviously correct about melodicism, it was never Beethoven's intention and, to be frank, part of his skill set. But his definition of "form" is totally arbitrary here. He fails to make a point because he's probably talking to a dumb audience. Not that /classical/ is any smarter or more informed.
The 4 (four) B's:>Bach>Beethoven>Bruckner>deBussy
American Art Songs > Liederhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq-ZqAkZXZ0No but seriously, anything else like this? Or is this essentially the very edge of the end of the folk/art song divide as it turns into classic pop songs?
>>128533213skip to 1:40 if you want to get to the singing part btw
The opening choruses of Bach's Mass in B minor, St Matthew Passion, and St John Passion are a classic case of "whichever I'm currently listening to is my favorite" because they're all transcendently amazing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWV8wKW4q_A&list=OLAK5uy_lhMn6Bw5Tj3R022HbjF3hvYaxXjOK574w&index=1
>>128524449Koopman was nice but I preferred Veldhoven in the little bit I checked out. Had gone with Gardiner on my first listen but will do a full re-listen these days. Thanks, I'd kinda dismissed Veldhoven's stuff out of hand if only because it's usually what has the most views when you'd look up Bach on YT and it felt like that couldn't be a correct answer lol
>>128533251try Cleobury >>128533238
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 22 in F Major, Op. 54https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJBwNXB-jrY&list=OLAK5uy_nucmCUKrj_fJjNC9SMkS1dJtVBnCM86sc&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 23 in F Minor, Op. 57 "Appassionata"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PCRSxP8t1g&list=OLAK5uy_nucmCUKrj_fJjNC9SMkS1dJtVBnCM86sc&index=4start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 24 in F-Sharp Major, Op. 78 "A Thérèse"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrwyN40N1DY&list=OLAK5uy_nucmCUKrj_fJjNC9SMkS1dJtVBnCM86sc&index=7start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 25 in G Major, Op. 79 "Cuckoo"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkGjs-lUNCs&list=OLAK5uy_nucmCUKrj_fJjNC9SMkS1dJtVBnCM86sc&index=9start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 26 in E-Flat Major, Op. 81a "Les adieux"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdAzHxBE2-I&list=OLAK5uy_nucmCUKrj_fJjNC9SMkS1dJtVBnCM86sc&index=11https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nucmCUKrj_fJjNC9SMkS1dJtVBnCM86sc>Egon Bezold in Klassik.com pointed at the "extraordinary representation of the overall architecture and expressive variety", and Gramophone's Jed Distler highlighted the "remarkable timbral distinctions, fastidious execution of turns and other ornaments, plus painstakingly differentiated accents, articulation marks and dynamics." Michael Stenger commented in FonoForum: "Schiff achieves clarity and yet a magic of atmospheres which is far away from the tedious pseudo-objectivity many performers offer here. There is great explosiveness but still warm contemplation in the slow movements...Exemplary!" >A much more general point was made by Carl Rosman in the International Record Revue: "There is in any case no other pianist on the major recording scene currently bringing such a new and refreshing perspective to these pillars of the repertoire."This cycle has started to click for me.
What's the opposite of perfect pitch? Cause I think that's what I have
>>128533630tone deafness
>>128533213Interesting. Will listen to this later.
Haydn quartets vs Prussian quartets?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpneRSB3Fng
>>128533879These days I like the Prussian quartets far more. Lots more emotion, deeper expression, and more structurally interesting.
>>128532776>>128532809Based.Stravinsky called Scriabin's 8th "incomparable" and Scriabin reciprocated by saying Stravinsky possesses "a minimum of creativity". Kek.>>128532624I fully agree with >>128532776 but I'll be honest and say I haven't given Stravinsky a truly fair chance because I've only heard about 5 or 6 of his pieces from beginning to end.
>>128532624Stravinsky of course
Didnt like it. Maybe a second chance later.
>>128535485It can be a bit much at first. Try a different recording, Bernstein or Solti or Karabits. Hope it clicks for you!
now playing, another unfamiliar composer to try who I've had in my backlog for a while, Aulis Sallinen from Finland -- at 90 years old, he's still alive!Aulis Sallinen: A Solemn Overture, Op. 75, "King Lear"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrYaywURgfU&list=OLAK5uy_kNPcL_oroiUffyWFrWABCKhnGsUUxxvus&index=2Aulis Sallinen: Symphony No. 1, Op. 24https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6s9LxgS5c&list=OLAK5uy_kNPcL_oroiUffyWFrWABCKhnGsUUxxvus&index=3Aulis Sallinen: Chorali, Op. 22https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRAcd8b87ww&list=OLAK5uy_kNPcL_oroiUffyWFrWABCKhnGsUUxxvus&index=4Aulis Sallinen: Symphony No. 7, Op. 71, "the Dreams of Gandalf"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0peAgxr6lJ4&list=OLAK5uy_kNPcL_oroiUffyWFrWABCKhnGsUUxxvus&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kNPcL_oroiUffyWFrWABCKhnGsUUxxvusIt appears he has eight symphonies, a cello concerto, a violin concerto, and a couple other single movement orchestral pieces.
>>128531866ty
>>128535948The Flora cycle continues
My mind must be going: I tried searching for a new recording of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring to try and got frustrated because Amazon wasn't returning any results -- turns out I was trying to search for Ring of Spring several times. RIP
>In 1939-1940, Stravinsky contemptuously dismissed the Muscovite as "an ideological, pathological, and sociological disorder that took possession of music with impudent unconcern." Adding rootless cosmopolitanism to Scriabin's list of offenses, Stravinsky mused, "Frankly, is it possible to connect a musician like Scriabin with any tradition whatsoever?" Composer Nicolas Nabokov, a former member of Diaghilev's inner circle, recalled how during the early 1940s, Soviet critics and audiences believed that "Scriabin's eroticism was good only for high-strung adolescents, that his orgasms were fake, and that his musical craft was singularly old-fashioned, dusty, and academic.">One of the most vociferous anti-Scriabinists during Zhdanovshchina was the music critic and former RAPM member Boris Shteinpress (1908-1986). Bowers reported that at the height of the controversy Shteinpress sneered at Scriabin as a "degenerate formalist of the worst sort" and claimed that "listeners should be saved from the degrading experience of having to listen to him." In a 1948 article, Shteinpress took direct aim at Scriabin:>Scriabin's innovations are not a development, but a destruction of the fundamentals of classical music. [. . .] Scriabin's artificiality is concerted into normality in a manner in which classical-realism is reduced to extraordinary sounds for the sake of sheer display. [. . .] If we do not decisively crush this bourgeois liberalism and its idealistic viewpoints, this trend will become rampant in our musical literature.
>>128537452Fascists AND commies hated him? He truly was based and on the right side of history.
>>128537452They are all right. Scriabin was a terrible composer who just happened to write some great music
>>128526541This cover looks so strange. I dunno.
holy fuck grieg wrote a lot of piano music
Mozart would be a much better composer if he wrote more music in minor. 20th concerto is so fucking good, god. Fuck Mozart.
>>128515103>Wagner>Classical
>>128538386>t. wants music to fit as background to what he is feeling instead of seeing what the composer is doing and being surprisedjust listen to pop if you're gonna treat music as a soundtrack to your emotions>>128539028retard
>>128537861Lynchian?
>>128539106>autist gets trigged by emotions againjust another day on 4autist>>128538386tru
>just listen to pop if you're gonna treat music as a soundtrack to your emotions>At the head of the score to his Missa Solemnis, Beethoven wrote: “From the heart—may it go to the heart.”damn
>>128539120no one is triggered by anything, we're just talking. i'm telling you that if seek music in a particular mode over another (minor over major in this case) you likely listen to music as a soundtrack to your own emotions instead of being open to whatever the composer brings and constructs and judging it on its own merits, and that if that's the case then I think you pretty much missed the point of classical music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-bMlNhcZXs&list=OLAK5uy_m7KlahZrLHZalHAZBNgZwVZTpLUuSURBwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcYnclrzJjU&list=OLAK5uy_mTYv5P5wIvO1cV24RPJtyCKe0X6QZW_tc
>>128539137I prefer to view it as art can be viewed and appreciated on multiple levels, ie formal, emotional, spiritual.
>>128539200Hey, that first one isn't Brahms... good stuff tho
now playing, one unfamiliar Erkki Melartinstart of Melartin: Symphony No. 5 in A Minor, Op. 90 "Sinfonia brevis"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6Uov4CDi1s&list=OLAK5uy_l6iPqXwQOi2RPSYXtbIj8CBA-LVOdXpZU&index=2start of Melartin: Symphony No. 6, Op. 100 "Symphony of the Elements"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph6rUl1sjog&list=OLAK5uy_l6iPqXwQOi2RPSYXtbIj8CBA-LVOdXpZU&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l6iPqXwQOi2RPSYXtbIj8CBA-LVOdXpZU>As the founding father of Finnish music, Jean Sibelius is the measure of all things to such an extent that an outside observer may easily miss the abundance of talented masters who also practiced the art of composition quite successfully in the land of a thousand lakes. One of them was Erkki Melartin. Not ten years younger than the composer of Finlandia, he also left us a significant oeuvre that repeatedly begs a comparison to his older colleague - of course, it is a comparison whose results are subject to debate. To be fair, we can discover a phrase here or there that reminds us of Sibelius; occasionally, some of Mahler's vocabulary may have sneaked in as well; but the persona whose legacy is six mighty symphonies has blazed his own independent trail away from the Romantic tradition, leading us relentlessly to an unheard cosmos.Sibelius + Mahler? Sold.
>>128539110More like strange. One would assume conductor in an empty concert hall would be fairly common cover, but I have never seen one like this (not that I looked at many classical album covers desu). Classical albums usually have either a soloist with an instrument or some abstract art on a cover. Or some historical throwback I guess. >>128526541Andris is one of the best Shostakovitch interpreters. Saw a decent chunk of this playlist live, or at least live versions by him and BSO - album is studio recording I would assume, and honestly he never looks as happy as when he's conducting Shosty. Even with his absolutely depressing and/or mad circus pieces. Maybe especially with them.
It's crazy to think ideas were shared and influence propagated back in the day without the ability and thus need to listen to the work proper. For example, some composer in Eastern Europe or Russia or Scandinavia hears of a composer named Wagner or Schumann or Beethoven doing interesting and great things, so they ask around and send out for some of the sheet music for their works, and when they get them, they play it out in their head or on the piano. Point being, they can learn from music they haven't heard performed as it was intended. I know it isn't that weird, because that's what the ability to read music is, but still, from our modern view, I think it's wild a composer can have their entire style shifted as a result of a symphony or requiem or concerto they never hear properly performed.
>>128539379>Saw a decent chunk of this playlist liveVery cool, surely an experience you'll never forget.
>>128539410Yeah, it was great. Overall Boston classical scene is pretty peak, especially for a city with a population of just 700000.
>>128539474Any particular standout performances from all of your experiences?
>>128537452I love that Scriabin made so many 20th century autists seethe. All the man wanted to do was to have sex, write some of the greatest music ever, and bring on the apocalypse.
>>128533630tone deafness is the opposite of both perfect and relative pitch, the latter of which is more important to have as a musician/composer.
>>128539562>the latter of which is more important to have as a musician/composer.If you have perfect pitch by definition you also have relative pitch.
>>128539320Thanks for bringing these lesser-known composers to attention.
>>128539823not necessarily. I know one person with perfect pitch who has trouble recognizing the actual spaces or intervals between tones.
