Bruckner editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJbCi21oM-QThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>128952298
>>128970591>painting of himself>bust of wagner>photo of himself in front of themIs this normal?
>>128970591celibidache's 8th <3
Why do neoclassical composers have these pretentious interludes of some old radio broadcast or fake diary or just static noise?COULD YOU NOT?Richter is the biggest culprit."How to ruin perfectly fine albums."
>>128970738I had the Amazon page open of that recording/album for like a month because I always intended to listen to it. How is it?>old radio broadcast or fake diary or just static noise?Might be a bit overplayed but fits into our zeitgeist very well.
>>128970757Flight Dröm the City has had like 5 different versions since his death, for a good reason>yet By the Roes, and the Hinds of the Field is even better
bixtehude, bixnood
>>128967686Let's have a look then.Violin sonatas: BeethovenPiano trios: tieString quintets: MozartString trios: MozartPiano quartets: MozartString quartets: MozartGlass harmonica quintet: Mozartetc etc...
>>128970916>String quartets: Mozartrofl
Average IQ of:Mozart listeners: 150Holliger listeners: 147Bacewicz listeners: 147Hübler listeners: 146Bach listeners: 139Zelenka listeners: 138Gann listeners: 137Wuorinen listeners: 136Webern listeners: 134Messiaen listeners: 131Schoenberg listeners: 127Ferneyhough listeners: 123Lachenmann listeners: 121Prokofiev listeners: 120Carter listeners: 118Berg listeners: 116Boulez listeners: 114Scarlatti listeners: 112Mahler listeners: 111Bartók listeners: 110Schnittke listeners: 109Beethoven listeners: 108Haydn listeners: 108Honegger listeners: 107Shostakovich listeners: 106Brahms listeners: 104Mendelssohn listeners: 103Berlioz listeners: 102Schubert listeners: 100Reich listeners: 100Tchaikovsky listeners: 98Rachmaninoff listeners: 97Wagner listeners: 96Glass listeners: 92Chopin listeners: 90Petzold listeners: 79
>>128970943>Bacewicz listeners: 147
>>128970943Further proof that your IQ is too low to fully appreciate Chopin, Mahler, Brahms, Rachmaninoff and Beethoven, 5 of the highest IQ composers.
>>128970916>String quartets: MozartThat is ridiculous. Beethoven's late quartets alone make him a superior chamber music composer to Mozart.
Does Bruckner make you feel like you're in the Middle Earth too?
Why don't we have anyone talented enough in modern day to write classical music that isn't some dumbass minimalism
now playingstart of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 20 in D Minor, K.466https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP3LMvi5d2Y&list=OLAK5uy_mBSG_wMiac6PtIol69mbNqKuVfRjkWmv0&index=2start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 23 in A Major, K. 488https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1dRoSLaTYA&list=OLAK5uy_mBSG_wMiac6PtIol69mbNqKuVfRjkWmv0&index=5start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 16 in C Major, K. 545 "Sonata facile"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXTWhTMuuF4&list=OLAK5uy_mBSG_wMiac6PtIol69mbNqKuVfRjkWmv0&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mBSG_wMiac6PtIol69mbNqKuVfRjkWmv0>After a string of releases on Sony Classical that have redefined the parameters of the classical recital album, Khatia Buniatishvili is returning to tradition with a recording of two of Mozart’s most sublime late piano concertos. Khatia Buniatishvili joins an iconic orchestra in performances of two cherished piano concertos by Mozart.This album cover makes me uneasy. Also, it seems doing conductorless or pianist-as-conductor recordings of Mozart's piano concertos is the way to go; Barenboim, Buchbinder, Uchida, Perahia.
>>128971102You just don't know where to look, anonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfPSHkRMvCs&list=OLAK5uy_mOIBLudXIaojoaeAkoC_uUwXRx99M8Ayc&index=3
>>128971102for piano musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWXqVAe_35s&list=OLAK5uy_kCJGkWdmvyV0j7yLZcQ5knNHU0d32ZSkg&index=1
>>128971102Because we got dumber.
>>128971102We reached the logical end of classical music sometime in the 20th century. Trying to recreate a style of a past era just feels cheap like reheated food for the 10th time.
>>128971116>>128971200>>128971209The triality of man
>>128971289Those other anons, as much as I respect them, haven't even given contemporary classical music a try. Which I understand, but, y'know, as Wittgenstein said,>Whereof one cannot speak, one must remain silent
>>128971289Only I was right.>>128971294Wittgenstein should have remained silent.
>>128971294It's not hard to miss the trend of art music going downhill from around 20th century. The fact that minimalism is the most celebrated form of art music today tells us enough, but I have given chance to few composers here and there, neither were nearly in the league of romantics and classicists.>>128971317>Only I was right.Said everyone. My claim is empirically verifiable, yours isn't.
Just finding out about this general but can already tell that rentry hasn't been updated in years
Romanticism was the start of music being dumbed down. Blame Beethoven before blaming your contemporaries for classical's fall.
>>128971102I don’t want anyone else to experience the happiness and fulfillment that I have gained. I want everyone except me to suffer. They ruin and corrupt everything they touch. It is going to happen with classical music as well, which is why I am against promoting this genre to the new generation. Let the new generation be brainwashed by decadence; it will only make "them" weaker.I, on the other hand, will become stronger, more resilient, and more awakened. They are all inferior rats who deserve the wall, whereas I am a King, a superior. Only I deserve happiness, the rest of the world can fucking burn to the ground if it makes me chuckle.
>>128971350It was the start of the highest point of music and culture, actually. And it went downhill after it was over. Stop trying to rewrite history, silly boy.
>>128971341Minimalism has already come and gone, anon. This isn't the 70s when Le Monte Young was king.>>128971342What do you need help with? Everything can be streamed, and if you insist on downloading, there's rutracker and soulseek.
>>128971358Musically its objectively more dumbed down
>>128971364Would be a lot easier to be able to download a bundle curated by someone who actually knows good music and recordings. Could also use more charts, order of which to listen to a composer and also list of recommended modern conductors etc
>>128971370Musically it is objectively elevated to the forms never before conceived. I'm not sure what you're smoking, you're clearly misinformed. It's likely low musical intelligence.
>>128971397
>>128971402It literally is less complex music, less use of counterpoint and more focus on simple melodies that any street musician could play. I didn't say that it was exactly "worse", but it was definitely a move toward the dumbed down music we have today.
>>128971428Romantic music was frequently much more dense and contrapuntal than classical
>>128971397We believe in gatekeeping now, anon. Only the worthy who can do it themselves may join us at the top of the aesthetic mountain.Nah, I don't know what you want me to say. Anything you need help with, feel free to ask.
>All this music of romanticism, moreover, was not noble enough to remain valid anywhere except in the theater and before crowds; it was from the start second-rate music that was not considered seriously by genuine musicians.>It was different with Felix Mendelssohn, that halcyon master who, on account of his lighter, purer, more enchanted soul, was honored quickly and just as quickly forgotten: as the beautiful intermezzo of German music. But as for Robert Schumann, who was very serious and also was taken seriously from the start - he was the last to found a school - is it not considered a good fortune among us today, a relief, a liberation, that this Schumann romanticism has been overcome?>Schumann with his taste which was basically a *small* taste (namely, a dangerous propensity, doubly dangerous among Germans, for quiet lyricism and sottishness of felling), constantly walking off to withdraw shyly and retire, a noble tender-heart who wallowed in all sorts of anonymous bliss and woe, a kind of girl and noli me tangere from the start: this Schumann was already a merely *German* event in music, no longer a European one, as Beethoven was and, to a still greater extent, Mozart. With him German music was threatened by its greatest danger: losing the voice for the soul Europe* and descending to mere fatherlandishness.
I don't know how three valvers do it, on my woodwinds having so many buttons just allows me to visualize what Im supposed to be pressing. Meanwhile these guys just have to feel the notes out. I could never really do it without having the music in front of me.
>>128971428>It literally is less complex music, Incorrect.>less use of counterpointCounterpoint isn't the only quality in music. Besides, counterpoint peaked during the romantic era. It went from simple, motivic subjects to long, elaborate and chromatic melodies that intertwine, not just for the strict contrapuntal forms but for the expression of something larger, grander. The rules of counterpoint remained the same. You are senselessly parroting some musically illiterate, misinformed thoughts, with no single thought of your own in mind>and more focus on simple melodies Simple melodies? LOL. Yet another embarrassing comment.>that any street musician could play. So why don't they?How can you say music dumbed down when Chopin and Schumann alone surpassed every single composer in terms of harmony, melody and pianism before them? Bruckner and Mahler in symphony, structure, Wagner and Bellini in opera? What kind of delusions must one have in mind, to reject the truth? Pop culture has influenced your mind as much as it did to an average slopper. You're a slopper sheep dressed in wolf's clothes, you don't listen and think, you read and believe whatever you are told to think.
>>128971410Thanks, ill start with this. You got the 2026 version?
>>128971410>FaustWhat an absolute waste of a space when you could have just put pic related.
>>128970591>Bruckner editionWhat a coincidence. I decided to listen to his masses today. I thought the first one was very good, but then I heard the Kyrie from the second. Damn...
>>128971457I played the trumpet in high school and the only thing I found difficult was playing high notes. Knowing how to play which note is just muscle memory.
>Poisons one of humanitys greatest minds ever due to some dumb personal feud and because his own music sucked assSalieri's name should be erased from the history books. He isn't even worthy of being remembered, just a jealous parasite who robbed humanity of what would have been the greatest works ever written.
>>128971479Have you ever actually played any Schumann pieces on the piano? They are usually incredibly awkward to play and go directly against the pianistic idiom. He was like the anti-Chopin. His cat probably had more pianism than him.
>>128971747clt disliked scriabin
Brucknerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms3wSbTE9Ko&list=OLAK5uy_loONW8xdRKBkHRP9WG3It7YYc8sSW47UM&index=2
>>128971853I haven't played Schumann but I know he didn't compose in the strict 'pianistic' idiom. He even injured himself for extra finger independence with his own finger torture device, which ended his performing career(thankfully, so he could compose), lol. Chopin fully understood capabilities of the piano and didn't fight the nature. Nonetheless, Schumann was obviously more of a piano/chamber composer than anything else.
>>128971110>female performerNot listening!
>>128971110Booba
>>128972012Are you serious? Many of the greatest composers featured women in singing roles
>>128972039Because female voices have a different sound than male.
Second go around on the Grande Sonata. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGNwFRkCI2E&list=PLxSrW2AO85tyuby8jobMfkHRSmj2lZkNl
>>128972039You're trying to reason with a lunatic
>>128971907I don't know what 'clt' is.
>>128971479Don't you ever get tired of saying the same shit over and over? Go outside, nigga
>>128972135how new
Are remasters fine or should I stick with the originals?
>>128970916damn good bait in this thread
>>128970943Pelecis' one listener (me): 200
>>128972187Pretty old, probably older than you. I just don't pay attention to your faggy drama.
>>128972099Thoughts?
Bruckners 4th symphony proved God was real
>>128971816Dog I think youre talking about a movie
>>128972246The second movement is the most enjoyable for me, then fourth, afterwards the third, and of the first I am admittedly having a difficult time finding immense enjoyment out of it. There are moments of Alkan I frequently wish to return to, but overall of what I have listened to he has a rather specific language and mannerism that I find tough to fully parse. Sometimes it feels like he is intentionally sabotaging his themes, I don't find it to be in an ironic manner, but perhaps he is playing a joke for the audience. I need more time with him is what I can say for sure, composers like these require one to adjust to them, and time will tell if I can do so, which is why I did not write anything what I was listening to. What are you opinions on the piece and its composer in general?
>>128972242>>128972135He's talking about CLT (Cannabis Loving Tripfag), old trip who used to post here (around 2010-2015)
>>128972304I think Alkan is fun but kinda hacky and amateur. Not serious, emotional art. But again, quite fun in its formal aspects, which isn't anything to sneeze at.
>>128972409What do you find hacky about him?
>>128972409Can't say I've felt that about him, although the most peculiar quality about Alkan to me is just how lighthearted his music is (especially when taking his life into consideration). Of course he does still have darker and serious moments, but overall a sense of good feeling pervades his music, which is a bit at odds with what I usually listen to, and one of the things I have to adjust to most clearly. I will second >>128972431 and ask what aspects you find to be of a hack or amateur quality. The first movement of his symphony for solo piano is imo, a fantastic piece by itself, and the main reason I remain committed to understanding him.
>>128972200Just make sure you avoid pic related.
4th was the peak of Skrjabin. Never impressionist or outright meanduring, but also toeing that ambiguous and strange harmonic almost-post-tonal range. A coda of immense ecstasy. I love the Ashkenazy recordings, really high quality, both in playing, and also the piano sound is captured wonderfully, each note is enjoyable for its ringing alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ_Dj0_sR5Q
>>128972317Yeah, I figured it was a tripfag. But like I said, I don't really pay attention to that kind of crap.
>>128972973https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NKa-hNQm-Qi like feinberg more, it's a shame he didnt recorded the rest of them
>>128972200Just look for the "DDD" on the cover art. Analog recording is no good for classical because the dynamic range is too low. And remasters can't fix a bad recording but can make it worse, so stick with originals.
>>128972973languishing junk
>>128973221*accidentally shoots you*
>>128972177No, I'm here to defend Chopin as the greatest man who ever lived or will ever live.Imagine thinking any other great composer, let alone a street musician (but I am repeating myself here) could compose an aria like this:https://youtu.be/Y44JnN-tJgY?si=pI2tzZzJ1AMFb1Jv&t=78Let alone modulate through chromatic mediants so effectively, or dissolve extended chords into sonority with subtle chromatic counterpoint or let the melodies form harmonies, not the other way around, like Chopin does. Laughable. Other composers can be forgotten, only if Chopin should be remembered. Explain why other composers were smart, if they could not come up with this @02:51 here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HfVsEOLB4Y
>>128973370Just started listening to this guy. I always knew Claire De Lune by him but just started checking out his other stuff. Thanks for the recs. If you got any more lay them on me
>>128973385>Claire De Lune That's Debussy, the third heir (next to Liszt/Wagner and Fauré) of Chopin. Chopin is the beginning of all music, perhaps the universe itself, don't let anyone fool you. Start with the waltzes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZCxO9lPMUsAnd don't let the modern hacks spoil your experience with VERTICAL playing. Chopin should be played HORIZONTALLY, as Cortot does right here.
>>128973407>VERTICAL playing. Chopin should be played HORIZONTALLYWhat?
>>128973419Hand independence. Polyphony. Singing tone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p26qXU23l1w
>>128973434>>128973407Arrau is one of my favorite players of Chopin and he is as vertical as they come. I don't really agree with this.
I wish we had more recordings of Bartok playing Chopin, he understood the instrument well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooRLEPMYpbo
>>128973494Arrau is not bad, his tone is quite good, and he does bring out inner voices at times, but he is not among the greats.
Name a better piano intro. You can't.
>>128973956What is that?
>>128973956Good pick. But I'm gonna say this. Such an unforgettable intro.
>>128974035>can't hear the music in his head just from reading the notesngmi
now playingstart of Schubert: Symphony No. 8 in B Minor, D. 759 "Unfinished"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZVurwGi8o&list=OLAK5uy_kWqSirzw_3w_5z8mX10NuQql5ij8U1Z6o&index=28start of Schubert: Symphony No. 9 in C Major, D. 944 "The Great"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPJ0co08DJk&list=OLAK5uy_kWqSirzw_3w_5z8mX10NuQql5ij8U1Z6o&index=29https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kWqSirzw_3w_5z8mX10NuQql5ij8U1Z6o
>>128972431>>128972498Maybe hacky is a bit too strong. Instead, I'll say cheap. It all sounds well enough, and certainly formally interesting, which is Alkan's strongest trait, but at no point in his music do I ever feel an emotional reaction. Fun, yet unserious. But hey that's just me, I don't want to detract from anyone's enjoyment of his music. I'll revisit some of his pieces today, and perhaps I'll feel differently this time around.
>>128974135That's interesting because I generally find him easier to access emotionally than, say, Liszt.
First time listening to Brahmns and Im pretty disappointed. You guys hyped him up too much
>>128974154That's a good comparison actually. For me, Alkan is like Liszt without the heart, soul, and genius, so mostly what you're left with is the interesting, clever form and virtuoso music.also try thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ADtxG-b8ik&list=OLAK5uy_mJlDtKILzRCbQOaOOrv0sGyn-RXDK2ATU&index=1
>>128974159Sorry to hear that, anon. Which piece are you listening to? The first time I heard the 4th Symphony (via the famous Kleiber recording) it blew my mind.here, try thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxpEa6U2ccIand thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnjv7W1YNa4two pieces everyone loves
>>128974154>>128974175And again, just highlights the different strokes when it comes to this stuff.
>>128974159What baffles me is that there are actually a portion of classical listeners (mostly newbies) who don't "get" Brahms, yet to me he sounds almost as accessible as Tchaikovsky. Listen to the piano quintet.
>>128974231Sometimes I wish I could inhabit the mind of someone who doesn't like Brahms for a day so I can finally understand what they could possibly find distasteful about his music, because from my own perspective, I do not understand it at all, and I'm generally pretty good at comprehending opposing viewpoints.
Tannhäuser is one of the few works where Wagner made a mistake, unlike Brahms (who made mistakes everywhere).>Early this morning we heard the hymn being played from the church tower, and R. played me the “Pilgrims’ Chorus.” “Here I should like to see something changed; in the words ‘Alle Welt' the ‘Alle’ is too long. At that time I was not very good at handling the various metrical forms, and the false intonation has always embarrassed me.”
>>128974249Didn't you say>tbf disagreements about art is one of the things I can get riled bylol
>>128974284What's your point, creep?
>>128974304It's just two of us here on /classical/.
got tired of the Bavouzet set, so we're moving onto a different Beethoven piano sonatas cycle, this time... Bernard Roberts'.1st, Op. 2 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4MBNMr13BQ&list=OLAK5uy_nlO9ovxzNCqy_dKbUOohy3Ztl-VBVG_VQ&index=222nd, Op. 54https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEMw-p-xDXw&list=OLAK5uy_nlO9ovxzNCqy_dKbUOohy3Ztl-VBVG_VQ&index=623rd, Op. 52 "Appassionata"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPsllSLenII&list=OLAK5uy_nlO9ovxzNCqy_dKbUOohy3Ztl-VBVG_VQ&index=82nd, Op. 2 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cezhAdVK41s&list=OLAK5uy_nlO9ovxzNCqy_dKbUOohy3Ztl-VBVG_VQ&index=1124th, Op. 78https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIXRe_Y7cyc&list=OLAK5uy_nlO9ovxzNCqy_dKbUOohy3Ztl-VBVG_VQ&index=1528th, Op. 101https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQykcU658gw&list=OLAK5uy_nlO9ovxzNCqy_dKbUOohy3Ztl-VBVG_VQ&index=16It's one of those cycles that's not in chronological order, which is nice for some mixing it up. Hopefully it's good! I've listened to some of Roberts' Bach before, and while it was solid with warmth, it lacked personality. Let's see how he does here with Beethoven.
>>128974334Well, in any case, I don't get upset when someone says they don't like Brahms, I simply get confused lol, unless they outright don't like romanticism, but for those who do yet single out Brahms, that's inexplicable to me.
>>128974369>but for those who do yet single out Brahms, that's inexplicable to me.Same.
Why do we always talk about Chopin here when Liszt is better? Seems weird
>>128974431Feel free to talk about whomever you like, anon.
>>128974431Because Chopin composed for the highest aristocracy in Parisian salons, all other composers were street musicians.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV7apHKrAik
Abbado!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js9n5grffY0&list=OLAK5uy_k5A9Hxiw-OwUTp8vCqLKx1d7ZVbhSY1t8&index=13
You know what does trigger me a bit though? Those who refuse to listen to and support contemporary musicians. But I suppose they have their reasons, even if I suspect most of it is post hoc and psychological (ie less these ancient dudes were better because they did X, and more X sounds better because it was done by ancient dudes).To each their own.
>>128974431Liszt is harder to appreciate. Which, when nitpicking at the highest levels, is a point of Chopin's favor -- he was much better at composing instantly appealing music, music which is both genius and easy to grasp, feel, and resonate.
Whats the deal with Gould? First time I listened to him I thought he was taking the piss to make some statement. I feel like its one big joke that he is a celebrated pianist, his elephanting around on the keys is a mockery of western tradition. He completely misunderstands how the pieces are meant to be played.
>>128974620His late Brahms is some of the best you can get.
>>128974431Liszt never wrote his own stuff. He's good but he's literally a cover band
>>128974635>Ghoul>ever goodlel
>>128974539I don't even want to exist in this fucked up reality. I would rather spend time in an opium den masturbating to music (pre 1945). My inner spirit is in continuous rebellion with each breath I take. My unconscious resists everything I see, touch and feel. Evil or foolish, that is how I divide the cattle that exists on this blue ball of circus. It is impossible for me to like the energy of this generation especially the music. Ridiculous, back to /mu/, leave this general alone.
>>128971907Well nobody likes Bruckner either, CLT always had taste that missed the mark slightly
>>128974714We love that retard what are you talking about
>>128973221Scriabin has sex with my ears, Webern is the incel trying to have sex with me but creeps me out.
I listen to Chopins ballades, scherzos, and etudes and Im like a caveman staring at skyscrapers and airplanes but I listen his nocturnes and im bored, am I a soullet?
Mozart Erected the Form of Music so that Wagner could provide the Orgasm.
>>128974753>weAustroce;s delusion of grandeur on display.
Going to listen to Wagner for the first time. Wish me luck. I did hear the ride of Valkyraes parodied in the simpsons but other than that Ive never heard his music
>>128974836I am the voice of the voiceless. Hail the retard king Bruckner
>>128974841Speaking german helps a lot I found, and honestly if youre native english speaker its not that hard to get to level where you understand most of it
>>128974841First song was good, felt like GY!BE. Now and I'm on the second song and its some opera shit and Im turning it off
>>128974863This is a BABIAA general, reddit composers are not welcomed here
>>128974829How can you enjoy Chopin and not even op.62, 55, 48 nocturnes? or the op.27 ones? Sounds like you just haven't heard proper interpretations, many such cases.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrIgCFsr1Xshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqp4JpvNxawhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9MY_h6Q1Oshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK4z0iM-VxUThis last one here is one of the most essential Chopin recordings ever made.
>>128974918Wagner raped your mind.
now playingstart of Sibelius: Symphony No. 1 in E Minor, Op. 39https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW5zgJHfjpU&list=OLAK5uy_mDllHcI5R243mnLfbZyRJv2HdpXdPXAkA&index=2start of Sibelius: Symphony No. 4 in A Minor, Op. 63:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJGue6bKRTw&list=OLAK5uy_mDllHcI5R243mnLfbZyRJv2HdpXdPXAkA&index=6start of Sibelius: Symphony No. 2 in D Major, Op. 43:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DFIqnmtlZ0&list=OLAK5uy_mDllHcI5R243mnLfbZyRJv2HdpXdPXAkA&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDllHcI5R243mnLfbZyRJv2HdpXdPXAkA
>>128974924I dont know which reddit id have to go to find this information but Bruckner doesnt seem the type for them, too religious, too long, too bombastic, too much of a peasant brain and too much creeping on young girls. I have no evidence for this but Im guessing they like Mahler
>>128974950I was hoping youd help out chopincel, thank you I will try these
>>128974829Have you tried multiple recordings? If so, try again in a couple weeks/months.
>>128974829I used to listen to them to sleep. They are boring but eventually it becomes comforting
>>128975042You're whalecum. I do wonder, did you miss nocturnes like 48/1. I didn't link this one for some reasonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-VgyjLS3ok(There's also the supreme Hofmann recording, but he plays reprise slowly, I would start with this)
>>128975205You might do a better job of getting more people into Chopin and specific works if you suggested quality modern recordings.
>>128975272>modern>qualityPick one.Also, if you can't into Cortot/Hofmann/Koczalski Chopin, you might as well avoid Chopin entirely, because you're not actually listening to Chopin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K8CH1RUWH8
>The Consensus Best Chopin Nocturne Ever Recorded | Ep. 2 The Chopin PodcastYoutube knew what we were discussing here at /classical/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTWY0Xe-CpU >Ignaz Friedman mentionedBASED. The same recording I posted as well.Watch this.
>look ma some youtube talking head agrees with me
ok im the nocturnecel and listened to friedmans op. 62 and its amazing not that you needed me to tell you. Why tf are modern recordings so much worse did we forget how to play the piano
>>128975575Whatever can convince more people to listen.
>>128975599We forgot that there exists a world beyond this mortal coil.
>>128975599Friedman's op.62 are piano rolls, but mindblowing indeed. For 62.1 I like Horowitz, I'm hoping there's some golden one buried somewhere for me to discover though. For 62.2 Moiseiwitsch seems irreplaceable.
>piano roll + hiss(?) + clapping(??) + coughing (???) + humming (???????)Name a more iconic quintet.
>>128970591Best recording of Bach's Partita No. 2 in D Minor, BWV 1004?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtyTaE7LvVs
>>128975708its not a quintet if its all being done by one guy
Is this the best Amen in history?https://youtu.be/vIxvh7M8_LQ?si=L8oM3xNZwCOou17j&t=238
>>128975731When there's Heifetz recording, usually you don't have to look any furtherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi8cayXD6SE
>>128974431Literally no sane person thinks this. Liszt did some incredible things, mainly the Piano Sonata in B minor and some late works, as well as inventing the symphonic poem and generally being an influential figure, but Chopin is a clear level above him when it comes to original piano music.
>>128975708hehe
>>128974083I don't recognize it.
>>128975731Perlman's is one of the best no doubt. Maybe try,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlWDUjETW0g&list=OLAK5uy_lgUgWALn_tekub6qTuk8OnNxnDyzpkgW8&index=17
>>128975731Grumiaux
>>128975940Hungarian Rhapsody no.2
>>128974431>>128975899You know what's the best thing about this? There's a piano composer that combines some of the best traits of both Chopin and Liszt, together with an advanced, deliciously sensual, Wagnerian harmony. Starts with an S...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AAIlO9w34ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arLuuNzP91ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV_7nOxeFi4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXCWhQHdm20
>>128976046Too modernist for my taste but to each his own.
Whan listening to Rachmaninoff should I stick to the ones where he plays his own music?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7yAbSgOImI
>>128976066Chopin and Liszt are very modernist at times. Scriabin didn't come from nowhere — he started where they left off.
>>128976072You should. The only other viable options are Horowitz, Gieseking/Mengelberg and Moiseiwitsch. But if you really want some quality orchestral sound, Litton/Hough and Simon/Slatkin are acceptable.
>click on Rach 2 'accidentally'>"oh no, I can't turn it off. oh well, let's just finish the first movement">"let's turn it off now-">2nd movement starts playing>"FUCK"It hooks you from the very first bar, now I can't do anything else but sit and listen.
>>128975899It was bait
>>128976147Scriabin wasn't just Chopin's successor—he was the first modernist of the piano. Delve into the late sonatas to discover the nearly atonal harmony this synesthesiac developed to fit his mystic vision of music. It's tempting to believe that if Scriabin had lived long enough to realize his masterpiece, the Mysterium, we could be living in a very different musical world right now. And honestly? It's easy to see why.
Scriabin is a fucking retard, or rather was.
>>128976488kek
>>128976345lol tru
>>128976072Good god, no
>>128974135>no point in his music do I ever feel an emotional reaction. Fun, yet unseriousI don't know if I would say Alkan is nothing but "fun" in a derogatory way that you might be suggesting, but I will agree that he is much lighter-hearted than any other romantics; hes closer in spirit to classical era, and I think his music can be appreciated in that light. It is certainly much better than some of the ultra saccharine schlock or ridiculous unjustifiable bombast in romanticism.We must eventually contend with the clear reality that for all the drama and tragedy of some romantic composers, you yourself are of course simply just sitting down in a rather neutral position - not in any actual emotional situation. This fact is probably why many such as Prokofiev and Mahler are so irony poisoned, because they are aware of the ridiculousness of it all and are unable to commit to it in full earnest. Alkan I think is a very honest character probably, and when he was truly depressed he simply did not compose at all, which I think is the real reality of deep depression, the "depressed artist" to me is not very real at all, if you can barely bring yourself to get out of bed to face the day, the ability to sit and practice or compose is absurd. Thats my thoughts on the matter, and in turn the generally more pleasant moods of classical and baroque era with their restrained emotions was in essence much more emotionally sincere and honest. Perhaps you need that overt and drastic sentimentality in music, which is fine, but I cannot agree with you in your desires.
>>128976072https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXN7o2KVY-8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yiis3B1_mHsoh yeah now we're talkingThere are a handful of great sets, and many good ones. This is one of the great ones.
>>128973059Literally more crackling and HISS than actual piano. >I cannot stand this other interpretation because he blends the notes together and blah blah blah, but let me listen to this utter shite recording where the notes are lower register notes are blended together and every high note sounds like a short duration painful shot of tinnitus. I will never understand listening to HISS, literally the definition of "old good new bad" in its worst form.
>>128973221More appropriate to say that in regards to Skrjabin 6 and beyond, the 4th is pretty quick on the up and go with a solid direction. Then again, you didn't listen to it anyways.
>>128977522past a certain point they all start to sound like chromatic slurry anyways
>>128974814>scriabincel>sexlol, lmao
>>128977550Thank you retard. Should we ever have need of your lack of listening, vapid thoughts, and eceleb fed opinions - we shall certainly call upon you again.
>>128977507It allows them to avoid having to listen to modern recordings and make up their own mind about them. This way they can go "Feinberg is a legend, so I'm allowed to like this". That's my theory that explains this fascination with these old hiss recordings.
>>128977584a bit annoyed, scriabincel?
Scriabin was also the first to introduce sex into his music, and quite explicitly too. While acknowledging Brahms' romanticism and Wagner's gardens of worldly temptations, Scriabin went several steps further, when he wrote music entitled Desire, Danced Caress, Sensual Delights and, above all, the Poem of Ecstasy. Some of the passages from the accompanying poem leave little to the imagination and are too explicit to mention (as is indeed the music, but even censorship has a limit).
Oh how easy it is to become possessed by Scriabin, one of the most enigmatic and controversial artistic personalities of all time. Once one is bitten and the venom, in the form of his sound world, enters the body and soul, the effects become all-encompassing, even life-threatening! Not only emotionally - as one's desperate quest for answers only results in more questions - but also physically, the reactions can be severe. Scriabin was not only the first to introduce madness into music; he also managed to synthesize it into an infectious virus that is entirely music-borne and affects the psyche in a highly irrational way. Thus 'mystical experiences' have been reported by listeners. One London critic described: 'In my own case, on two occasions, I have seen radiant flashes of blinding coloured lights during performances of Scriabin's music... It was totally different from the "thrill" of sensation or "tears" of pleasure, those emotions more commonly associated with conventional music... This experience convinces me that Scriabin's music adjusts or negotiates human sensibilities in a mysterious and intuitive manner. He tapped sources as yet poorly documented or understood.' Others describe having visions of waves of light, golden ships on violet oceans, and bolts of fire during performances, even without the help of LSD. In all seriousness, however: if the effects are as radical on the receiving end, they are certainly no less intense on the performer's part.
>>128977621>no anon, horizontal playing means nothing, listen to this modern recording where they play vertically instead>rubato? what's that?>hand independence? polyphony?? i'm not listening!! i'm not listening!!!Keep your hands over ears all you want anon.
When I first became involved with Scriabin's music, Scriabin eclipsed everything in my life. The passion and curiosity for the music and the persona seemed self-nourishing and even destructive in its nature, almost like a type of lust, and wouldn't subside. Even if I wasn't always swimming in 'violet oceans', the penetrating cosmic sounds that imploded space and time and the often erotic sub-contexts, ignited every cell in my body. As with all over-reactions, it is crucial what is left after the initial sensations cool off - that residue will either condense into enduring reverence or evaporate like smoke.What is it about Scriabin that makes his venom so poisonous? Apart from being a composer-pianist, poet, solipsist, semi-, neo- and theophilosopher, musical thaumaturge and mystagogue - and those were only his part-time jobs - he was, above all, a visionary way ahead of his time. (At times a little delusional, perhaps, but this has never stopped greatness from budding.) In fact, to judge by some of his later poems, which frequently accompanied his compositions, he may have been ahead of the whole of humanity:I am come to tell you the secret of lifeThe secret of deathThe secret of heaven and earth.If you think this is too intense, try this:I am God!I am nothing, I'm play, I am freedom, I am life.I am the boundary, I am the peak.
>>128977621Its even worse for pieces like the 4th, because - especially in the case of the tempo of Ashkenazy - there is a lot of actual silence and precise delicacy, whereas with the constant HISS and crackling there is a a distinct lack of dynamics that are suppose to be there, ruining the entire feeling of the beginning. I do agree with your stance, but might also add that in addition to being scared of the unknown interpreter, there is also an aspect of not wanting to have the same taste as the majority, instead of listening to something that is well regarded and used by many, they take the person of the past who is still regarded as great, but less people find acceptable because of the shite recording quality.
Scriabin has some good pieces, but unfortunately he was painfully bound by formalism. Very, very dry formalism.
>>128977725>t. piano roll king
>go to Amazon>search "scriabin piano sonatas">sort by Release Date>pick latest recording with reviews and ratingsNuno Cernadas, came out last year. Here's this Scriabin 4thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTtb9w8eGiw&list=OLAK5uy_kg2WSEqnkuPUk6HItJ-edtTSfhG-SNjYY&index=14https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkW73UGuDPI&list=OLAK5uy_kg2WSEqnkuPUk6HItJ-edtTSfhG-SNjYY&index=15It's got some very positive reviews around too on serious sites. Here's a very long and effusive review by biberfan, for example,https://www.biberfan.org/reviews/2025/2/2/scriabin-complete-piano-sonatas-cernadas
>>128977852We prefer a slower interpretation here. I also dislike his rhythms in the beginning of the II, it doesn't have the same bounce that Ashkenazy has, feels blocky instead of smooth and boisterous.
Pfitznerhttps://youtu.be/Ohzx-FRj_wI
Madernahttps://youtu.be/vaQfkWTOG7k
>>128977899Yeah even before I listened to it I was struck by the very short runtime (a full minute shorter than Ashkenazy's!). Thanks for giving it a try. I liked it more than you did though. Gonna listen to the rest of the recording.
>>128975885Thank you. I liked it but background noise really ruins overall quality.>>128975946Thanks for the rec. Listening to it now. From the picture I often listen to Perlman with EMI Classics, it's one of my favorites.
>>128977938Pogorelich is even slower than Ashkenazy and Hamelin, a full 4 minutes for the first movements, I quite like it at that tempo as well, although the recording is full of HISS and coughing constantly. Sofronitsky (who I generally like) plays it at the same speed as this Nuno character, his recording quality is garbage as usual for Sofro, but personally I think playing the piece at such speeds leads to a lot of garbled moments of chordal mess in the second movement. It ruins it all at that speed, even if Sofronitsky does a lot of other good work usually.
>Stanchinsky had always shown great promise as a musician even at a young age, but was often viewed as “unstable” and a victim of his own nerves. This became very prominent when his father died in 1910, as Alexei became quite delusional and suffered from this state for many years.[2] After a brief hiatus from music, Stanchinsky returned to his roots by gathering folk tunes for a personal collection and eventually returned to the conservatory life-style by studying with his colleagues again. However, his life would never again be what it was. In October 1914, he was found dead next to a stream near Logachyovo after wandering the countryside.>His death is still a mystery, as details were never revealed about his last days.Stanchinskyhttps://youtu.be/dF4pD4Aavp8
>Hrůša relates an anecdote which reflects my own feeling about Bruckner’s music when it is played as I wish to hear and is true if these recordings: “Herbert Blomstedt recently told me about an experience in Asia. After a concert, a lady came up to him and said it was a pity that Bruckner’s symphonies were so short. Blomstedt was overjoyed…”haha love it
>>128977938>>128978117>I think playing the piece at such speeds leads to a lot of garbled moments of chordal mess in the second movementSorry, realized this read all wrong, this is more for Hamelin/Pogorelich, although I think Pogorelich interprets the piece differently, very soft first movement into a more forceful whirlwind idea, with the slower intro contrasting heavily with the heavily quicker second movement. Hamelin's ultra smooth technique makes it much less garbled despite it still being a bit too quick. And playing the first movement so quick ruins it all in terms of the overall feeling of the piece. Although if you wish to take it as far as Pogo, thats up to you, I like his interpretation a whole lot, if it wasn't shat up by HISS and coughing faggots I would take it over Ashkenazy.
>>128978312>>128978117here's another recent complete set I really like, its 4th,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSOXeAWT93I&list=OLAK5uy_lfnwkAJmKzxZI8m3GVXLP-XmptztLHy7Q&index=10
ahhhhhh there's too many composers to keep in my head, at a certain point it's just much easier to keep returning to a familiar 20-30 names
>come across recording with unfamiliar composer, M Vainberg>excitedly look them up>it's just an alternative spelling of Weinberg, who I already know and loveare you serious
>At least for the time being, it's not about the works at all, but about a hoax that will be dead and forgotten in a year or two. Take it any way you like: Bruckner owes his fame exclusively to me, and without no cock had called me after him, but this happened very much against my will. Nietzsche once asserted that I only became famous by accident: I was needed by the anti-Wagner party as an antipope. That is of course nonsense; me am not one who is fit to be placed at the head of any party, because I have to go my web alone and in peace and have never crossed it with another.
>But with Bruckner that's true. After Wagner's death, of course, now needed his party had a pope, and they had no one better than Bruckner. Do you believe that a person among this immature crowd understands even the slightest thing about these giant symphonic snakes, and? Don't you also believe that I am the musician who today understands Wagner's works best and at least better than any of his so-called followers, who would like to poison me? I once said to Wagner himself that I am the best Wagnerian today
now playingstart of J. Rontgen: Piano Concerto No. 2 in D Major, Op. 18https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfioNWG2f5A&list=OLAK5uy_kIe7vIArd36DQzZyU1FOAnlCLr7qQzxWY&index=2start of J. Rontgen: Piano Concerto No. 4 in F Major:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mRUv1Etnuc&list=OLAK5uy_kIe7vIArd36DQzZyU1FOAnlCLr7qQzxWY&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kIe7vIArd36DQzZyU1FOAnlCLr7qQzxWY>This disc marks the first in a series dedicated to Julius Rntgens Piano Concertos. Rntgens second piano concerto is clearly obliged to German romanticism and combines the lighter form of a Mendelssohn Concerto with the somewhat weightier form akin to Schumann or Brahms. In contrast, reminiscences of Brahms or Beethoven are hardly heard at all in his fourth piano concerto. Both concertos appear here in their world premire recordings. CPO is proud to present the much sought after and bravura German pianist Matthias Kirschnereit playing alongside the NDR Radiophilharmonie of Hannover under the Dutch conductor David Porcelijn.some lesser-known classical
>Do you consider me so limited that I couldn't be charmed by the cheerfulness and grandeur of the 'Mastersingers'? Or for being so dishonest not to conceal my opinion that I consider a few bars of this work to be more valuable than all the operas that were composed afterwards? And am I an antipope? It's too stupid! And Bruckner's works immortal or perhaps even symphonies? It's a laughing matter!
>>128978328I keep thinking about how sad I am that Milne never did a Scriabin sonata cycle, what a fucking waste, all spent on Medtner, when he would have been much better off on sensual pieces. I was thinking this recording makes the piano a bit flat and lifeless - if a bit more clear -, but honestly once I went over to the fifth sonata I realized it was mostly his playing that was the main issue. The other one has a more enjoyable sound for me - if at the cost of clarity - although the pace is better and the second half's beginning is nicer in rhythmic quality. He seems a bit scared to hit the keys with some extra strength, as if thrill or danger are of an allergic manner to him, which combined with the flater sound of the instrument leads to a less than ideal situation. Only feels like he finally comes alive in the ending of the fourth, not climax worthy alive, but finally alive. I would pick Nuno over this one with ease, Vincenzo was slightly sabotaged by his engineers/producer, plus he lacks spirit.
>>128978622>>128978328>The other one has a more enjoyable sound for meBy this I mean Nuno's.
>>128978474>and without no cock had called me after him
>>128978328I am listening to Vincenzo's first right now and wondering where this character was during the entire fourth. What a total contrast, his fourth is terrible in comparison. I'm not sure what happened, but I may listen to his cycle one day, ignoring the fourth as among the most lifeless recordings I've heard.
>>128978716There are probably quite a few performers who feel an affinity for a select one or two pieces from a cycle but feel compelled to record the whole thing. Or maybe the record label makes them do it.
>>128978732That is fair, but I would expect a more stark contrast in the 5 and before vs the 6 and beyond, I can't imagine loving the first and feeling nothing for the fourth. I only took a very quick peak, but Vincenzo's recordings of the 9th did seem ominous as it should be, I was wondering if the slower meanduring side of Scriabin was his issue, but apparently not. Maybe you are right, he just doesn't like the fourth in particular, maybe that day someone dropped coffee on his favorite shirt, idk, but the rest is much better. Would advise deleting the fourth from this cycle ASAP.
Who is the most attractive composer?
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q4pRUAWF7U
>>128978861>Female performerNot listening!
>>128978861Is it Scree A Bin?
>>1289788362Hollis
>>128978836Probably Ravel, looked good young and ultra mogged the rest at similar ages later on in life.
>>128978716;o
>>128978836>>128970955
>>128978960Its specifically in the second movement, I don't like it at all, the first movement is acceptable. What do you make of Pletnev's fourth?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpPw9VNYsgkI was thinking about if Vincenzo's lifeless approach would work better in a reduced pace, although I think Pletnev still has more exuberance even at this reduced pace.
>He is Brahms (hats off!); I am Bruckner; I like my works better. He who wants to be soothed by music will become attached to Brahms; but whoever wants to be carried away by music will find but little satisfaction in his work.
>>128979206>whoever wants to be carried away by music Aka sentimental schlock for people who lack nuance.
>>128979234You could say the same thing about wanting to be 'soothed' by music.
When I listen to Bruckner I am indeed carried away. Carried away to sleep, that is.
Bruckner's musical opiates.
I could have sworn Arvo Pärt died like 5 years ago
When I was a kid I thought Phil Harmonik was the name of a musician/conductor
>>128979351Incoherent post.
Was avoiding Rachmaninoff because I thought he was a firetruck diva but his piano music is relaxing
>>128979526If your verbal iq is this low you shouldn't be posting on the internet.
>>128979691Ironic post. "Soothing" vs "carried away", which sounds more like sentimental schlock? Oh right, I forgot I'm speaking to some melanated ESL freak with 80iq who couldn't manage to write a coherent post if he tried.
>>128979762Yes, wanting to be soothed is indeed coterminous with sentimentality and a common subject of critique in Biedermeier art. Your mind is small and has trouble taking in new information, so you were puzzled, I understand.
>>128979800>wanting to be soothed is indeed coterminous with sentimentalityIn your ESL dream, probably. Go back to whatever third world forum you come from.
My mind may be small, but my soul is a vast ocean.
>>128978836>HotBrahms, Mozart, Liszt, Ravel, Tchaikovsky, Verdi, Bartok, Rimsky-Korsakov, Webern>Not hotWagner, Haydn, Schumann, Scriabin, Strauss, Berlioz, Mahler, Mendelssohn, Chopin, Shostakovich, Scriabin, Handel>Dios mio tierBeethoven, Bruckner, Stravinsky, Bach, Schoenberg, Mussorgsky, Debussy, Messiaen
>>128979807I really don't understand how, in the various sentimental cliches of the function of art, you think being soothed like a baby in worriless comfort is any less belonging than being carried away into a fantasy land of passionate emotions. I suppose in your mind a lullaby can never be sentimental. Again, you demonstrate a low verbal iq, and the anger with which you respond only appears as an involuntary admission of conscious insecurity. By the way, calling someone an ESL, which I am not, is reserved for people who use the English language wrong, not someone with verbal associations that differ from your own, which at any rate is entirely sensible in this case.
>>128979921Nice essay ESL, if only you would simply open up a dictionary instead of wasting everyone's time writing incoherent ESL nonsense.
>>128979966Dictionary definitions in no way show me to be wrong. I already gathered you don't read much classic literature, but if you had you would already know the full extent of a word's usage and association is not confined by a dictionary definition. As it stands your verbal intelligence remains constrained between barbaric ignorance on one side and the occasional referral to the arbitrary precision of the dictionary on the other. A sad state of affairs.
>>128979854>LisztGood when young, but man did he hit the wall hard.>MozartNot with that fucking nose. >TchaikovskyLol pic related>Rimsky-KorsakovTotal beard fraud. Honestly I think Ravel is way above everyone else, then probably Chopin, maybe Verdi could be decent too, but no pics without a beard. Most composers are pretty fucking ugly. A lot of older composers its kind of hard to tell because the paintings are so different and some might just be bad artistically tbqh.
Mmmm, I'm sure tenderness has nothing in common with the aesthetic quality of being soothing...
I don't listen to classical but I like the song Arabesque because it was in Lily Chou Chou. Can you guys recommend a good recording of it? Does Arraou do it?
>>128980045>Dictionary definitions in no way show me to be wrongIn your deranged ESL mind, probably. Regardless, I'm off to bed and the thought of reading another incoherent ESL post babbling about things his melanized thoughts cannot comprehend is not something worthy of staying up for.
>>128980097I see your low verbal iq not only restricts your comprehension, but also your ability to articulate yourself. Instead resorting to buzzwords like 'ESL' without basis. Very sad.
>>128980085I know you ESL "people" don't bother using them anyways, but google is not a dictionary. Anyways, not like you can comprehend anything being seen by your brown eyes.
>>128980131>synonyms: tendernessWow, it's almost like the difference in dictionary changes nothing about my argument because it the uses the exact same word that bears an obvious commonality with being soothed. What an embarrassing attempt at seeming smart. You attempted to win an argument with ridiculous hairsplitting over definitions only for the hairsplitting definitions to prove me correct. You also fail to understand that dictionaries do not have a monopoly on the full extent on a word's usage, which you would know if your vocabulary was learnt from reading and not from looking at dictionaries. And you have yet to display to any degree how wanting to be soothed by art is any less sentimental than wanting to be be carried away by art, when they are obviously equally susceptible to the charge to anyone with a working brain.
>>128980131nta but expressing exaggerated love in music can sound very soothing. think liszts love dream.
>>128979854>>Hot>Brahms
shot in the dark here but does anyone have CLT's (very abridged) guide to the western canon?
>>128979181>What do you make of Pletnev's fourth?Quite lovely, thank you.
>>128980086try this new releasehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07RWDkYwTmc&list=OLAK5uy_lf_7jQ_CGjq-t-tDJXYUSHUrlAScWf890&index=9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_CC5AWjKGM&list=OLAK5uy_lf_7jQ_CGjq-t-tDJXYUSHUrlAScWf890&index=9
when did this general become so awful?
>>128982196it was never good. in the early days we had people unironically praising Zappa, then we had spam and forced memes, then we had ultra-spam and forced memes, and now we have some underages
>>128982196Be the change you want to see in the wor-- general.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IIgW59A_88https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE0RbPsC9uEWhat do you call this kind of tune? Can you pinpoint to a certain niche of classical music that produces this kind of sound? In other words: genre?
>>128982384There's a lot of tunes in that music, you need to be more specific.
>>128982558It feels rousing, almost like a waltz or a march.
>>128980287>expressing exaggerated love in music can sound very soothingExaggerated emotions are not soothing, you are stupid as the ESL mongrel. >>128980244Thank you for another incoherent ESL essay.
>>128982384>>128982716Listen to Tchaikovsky's orchestral music. This is not a genre, but stylistically it's close to Tchaikovsky.
Alkan on the greatest of all instruments. So far I can't help but think it was probably written more for pedal piano than organ, but I might try another interpretation (if there are even multiple recordings lol). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_LPjIiShiA
>>128983176>Thank you for another incoherent ESL essay.Being an anglo is nothing to be proud of. His English is okay, you failed to address his points in any reasonable way, ergo he was right about you.
>>128976364You can never tell. I actually knew a person like this in real life.>>128976471Thanks, ChatGPTard.
>>128978836>Wagner, at this time, had moved into a cottage built in the grounds of Wesendonck's villa, where, during his work on Tristan und Isolde, he became passionately involved with Mathilde Wesendonck. Whether or not this relationship was platonic remains uncertain. One evening in September of that year, Wagner read the finished poem of "Tristan" to an audience including his wife, Minna, his current muse, Mathilde, and his future mistress (and later wife), Cosima von Bülow.
>>128983320he looks like handsome squidward
>>128982196When did this general start? Well, then.
>>128977676>>128977700>>128977731Based Scriabin enjoyer.
>>128983302Ok norseposter, no need to defend the honor of your fellow ESL sisters. Non-anglos are privileged to even use our language, unfortunately - as always - they prove themselves incapable of doing so, and then demand that they in their ESL ignorance know not only better than actual natives, but greater than the dictionary that ought to serve as their guide. We have to commend the ESL for their grand arrogance, surely there have been no greater group of prideful ignorant in the world.
>>128983317>Thanks, ChatGPTardGlad someone got the joke.
okay it's that time of the month where I try to get into opera. where to start with Puccini? And what recording?
>>128983387Lohengrin, Solti
>>128983387I often try to get Puccini, but call me gay, these days I prefer Debussy instead. No homo.
>>128983397I don't know much about opera but isn't that Wagner?
>>128983347We like both of those composers here.
>>128983387The best place to start with Puccini (I call him the big P, next to the little P, Pergolesi) is Tosca under the direction of Sir Colin Davis.
>>128983421ty
>>128983411I thought you were asking which composer to listen to, nevermind.
>>128983387The only opera piece I ever really got into was La Traviata, regardless of whatever opera piece you look for, I would highly recommend Pavarotti if he's done a recording, fantastic voice. Especially act III I love.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkcSNPhx3ck
Why are operas sung in english so rare? They used to be the norm before surtitles in live performances and sometimes I really feel they improve the expierence. Especially for Wagner, where his vocal writing very much expects the listener to understand what is being sung. I think it can work a lot better than the usual subtitles as long as the translation is faithful. Same thing applies to other vocal pieces
Personally I can't stand singing that's not in Italian or German. Not racist, just don't like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjAWbZM8ZDgHOLY FUCK JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEJ
Funniest shit of the year 2025, orchestra tries to perform Rach 3 and fails MISERABLY. The first movement was okay.... until conductor forgot orchestra is supposed to play after the cadenza. The finale is... hard to put it into words. This comment perfectly sums it up:>I cant stop listening to it, I hear new accidents each time. It's fantastic in the depth of its failure.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SamsDu-IpK8Worst thing about it is that pianist is actually good, but god, what the actual fuck happened here? I got second-hand embarrassment, didn't they at least rehearse?
>>128983558What I don't get is that there are really easy moments of silence for them to re-entry and unfuck themselves, but instead they just continued playing completely off the entire time. Crazy stuff.
>>128983510All of classical has moved towards replication and authenticity over everything, its why there are 8 gorillion recordings of Beethoven sonatas that all sound literally the exact same. Can't make even the slightest deviations from the authentic(TM) and original(TM) sound, as per the old masters(TM).
>>128983522You have a taste, most people don't. English sounds rather ugly, German and Italian sound great.
>>128983853Incorrect. Imagine thinking German of all languages sounds great, nevermind the ridiculousness of saying English sounds bad compared to it when they are both so similar. Italian I could see an argument for, French sure, Russian, probably, but certainly never German.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoY9fuhOli0
>>128983921There is nothing repulsive on dear earth than Fr*nch. Opinion discarded.German sounds like the one language to rule them all, if there is one language to sound good then it is surely German.Yet another German W.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbbEBt5mP6w
>>128983984Just another Fagner estrogenized post.
>>128984043Wagner raped your mind.
>>128984073Fagner was gay and died of AIDS.
>>128984080Wagner was a notorious womanizer and adulterer.
>>128984152Fagner was topped by fellow trannies and contracted AIDS from their gay sex.
>The beauteous naked man is the kernel of all Spartanhood; from genuine delight in the beauty of the most perfect human body - that of the male - arose that spirit of comradeship which pervades and shapes the whole economy of the Spartan State. This love of man to man, in its primitive purity, proclaims itself as the noblest and least selfish utterance of man's sense of beauty, for it teaches man to sink and merge his entire self in the object of his affection. . . . The higher element of that love of man to man consisted even in this: that it excluded the motive of egoistic physicalism. Nevertheless it not only included a purely spiritual bond of friendship, but this spiritual friendship was the blossom and the crown of the physical friendship. The latter sprang directly from the delight in the beauty, aye in the material bodily beauty of the beloved comrade.The Art-work of the Future (1849)What did Wagner mean by this?
>>128984215Seems like that zesty fellow might be a bit inclined to receive rather than pitch.
>>128983270Ty. Which do you recommend the most in this case?
>>128984215>that it excluded the motive of egoistic physicalismwhat doth this mean
>>128984356Any ideas of coherence in the statement are immediately rebutaled by the last sentence, which directly contradicts this one should you even attempt to add meaning to it. Just another Fagner bundle of homosexual jibber jabble.
MahoAnon, what do you think of the Buchbinder Mozart piano concertos cycle?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5kqCN828GM&list=OLAK5uy_l9FPxuqaYccKWa_Ki2Jojt6PEo5YMDgJQ&index=53
>>128984346The Nutcracker, 1812 Overture, Romeo and Juliet, Manfred Symphony, you'll find moments like that in most Tchaikovsky pieces, I would suggest you to start with thesehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM-VKMdiXL8&list=OLAK5uy_lTm19GRJlm_qOYExZC-X-phj9Qtdur3GI&index=1
Alkan Cello Sonata.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C-iykj3Y1Q&list=OLAK5uy_n5otb7skLwhEFfub-1RSKj1OjwABDnDM0&index=1
Racks got me manning off
>Liszt>Chopin>Rachmaninoff>ScriabinChoose one
>>128985388Medtner.Then Skrjabin.Then Rach. Then Chopin. Finally Liszt.
>>128985388Chopin, Liszt, Rach, Scriabin
>>128985388If we're adding MedtnerChopin > Rach > Medtner > Scriabin > Liszt (last 3 are subjects to change though, first 2 are not).
>>128981702thoughts on this recording's tracklist?
Yo-Yo Ma's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnP_JQ4zSnY&list=OLAK5uy_nor5OdTQp-MWxcWyssdeLxPmEFiXg1w1g&index=25
>>128985388All excellent but for me it'sScriabin > Chopin > Liszt > Rachmaninoff
>>128985547bad
Zuill Bailey's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxt5D3q6274&list=OLAK5uy_l6iXqP9gcJqAhB1ULmxPC5dDMiy4Auu38&index=11>>128985783
>>128985547yo ma-ma
Miklós Perényi's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kllUQA3Ig8M&list=OLAK5uy_mVvTU5_bcqY7KKR3q_OIVaxEr70yZVJu4&index=7>>128985875
>>128985829>>128985887I prefer Casals.
>>128986452Only because that's the oldest recording available.
>>128986467not really no
Can someone recommend me some good Liszt
>>128986557>Liszt>good
>>128986572well thats why Im asking. Never heard anything good by him
>>128986783Once you take away all the transcriptions, arrangements, variations, versions, fantaisies on themes from operas, paraphrases, etc. of music by other authors, and once you take away all the alternative versions, piano/orchestral transcriptions, revisions, recyclings, remakes, etc. of his own music, turns out Liszt wrote *very* little. Out of his almost 800 works, less than half are original music, and about a third of that isn't a rehash or a second/third/fourth/etc version of an older work. His entire oeuvre, even admitting for example the orchestrated versions of some of his solo piano stuff which are very good (like 6 of his 19 Hungarian Rhapsodies, which aren't even 100% original compositions), only barely reaches around 100, and that's with the help of dozens of pointless, <1m-long album leaves. Less than an eight of all of the published works to his name are made up of his own music, even tolerating rehashes. Talk about overrated hacks.
>>128986805Well should I skip him entirely?
>>128986815Yes.
>>128986823Thanks for letting me know. Im going to check out Chopin instead. What a big nose on this guy lol
>>128986557>>128986572>>128986783>>128986805>>128986815Liszt's orchestral work is his highlight IMO and highly overlooked. Hunnenslacht and Festklange are great little pieces and his Dante symphony is fantastic. Id definitely recommend those. I'd recommend listening to Kurt Masur's album of Liszt's symphonic poems with Gewandhausorchester Leipzig for a recording rec. Contains the Dante Symphony as well
>>128986452The Perenyi one is basically a modern Casals.
>>128986557>>128986557https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O4h0AapdbQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOo0cr44Obghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzs90JsIk-Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlzn6nQpmgEenjoy!
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Die Hunnenschlacht more like Die Hunnenschlecht LMAO GOTTEM
