Reicha Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLs4VaF2JUUThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129207302
>>129217767>>129217782*taps the sign*
>>129217749FUCK YA RULES U NO FUN iM OLDER THAN THE DAMN MOON PLUS THE SUN
now playingLiszt: Harmonies poétiques et religieuses, S. 173: Funerailleshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-NGo2UaENk&list=OLAK5uy_nXuD6vxM9gsVS0nfonV97nBQjghameZhI&index=2Liszt: Rhapsodie espagnole, S. 254/R. 90, "Folies d'Espagne et jota aragonesa"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2v0NrzndDA&list=OLAK5uy_nXuD6vxM9gsVS0nfonV97nBQjghameZhI&index=3Liszt: Années de pèlerinage, 1ère année "Suisse", S. 160: Annees de pelerinage, 1st year,...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY4wGJ4gtH8&list=OLAK5uy_nXuD6vxM9gsVS0nfonV97nBQjghameZhI&index=4Liszt: Piano Sonata in B Minor, S. 178https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6fLtr9u1aw&list=OLAK5uy_nXuD6vxM9gsVS0nfonV97nBQjghameZhI&index=4fromhttps://classicalguy.substack.com/p/building-a-collection-69-liszts-sonata>Brazilian pianist Arnaldo Cohen was unknown to me, but his 2003 Liszt Sonata on the BIS label is among the most satisfying renditions. Cohen benefits from outstanding BIS engineering, but the performance itself is also top drawer. Cohen takes nothing for granted and seems to interpret each section perfectly in terms of the ideal pacing, phrasing, dynamics, and tempos for each. As I’m listening, I kept thinking this can’t get any better, and it did. Cohen takes his time where needed and lets the music sink in during rhetorical passages, but he doesn’t hold back in the quick fingerwork passages either. It is an impressive balance, and Cohen’s overall vision for the work is compelling and feels right.
What's your favourite book on classical music history?
>>129217935I haven't read it thohe also has a book about popular music, "The Origins of Popular Style" published in 1989 (pic rel is from 2004)yes, if I'd trust anybody with my education, it's a south afrikaner autodidact
forgot pic obviously >>129217959>>129217964
top five solo piano pieces of all-time (no piano cycles)beethoven - piano sonata 29, hammerklavierbeethoven - piano sonata 32schubert - piano sonata 21, d. 960liszt - piano sonata in b minorscriabin - piano sonata no. 5
>>129217919>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2v0NrzndDA&list=OLAK5uy_nXuD6vxM9gsVS0nfonV97nBQjghameZhI&index=3Besides being color/texture slop, this beginning clearly isn't working on modern cross-strung pianos. Extremely muddy.
For today's opera performance, we listen to Wagner's Siegfried conducted by Pierre Boulez.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44w8I402ZjM&list=OLAK5uy_mW9kgJgXdBv6xR56T0vu7lRlFy8bflDlA&index=99
>>129217989I'm still on the first piece, but I can see what you mean by his performance being muddy. Thanks for giving it a try. Peep the Sonata, that's probably the main course.
>>129217995Its less the performance, and more so the limitations of the instrument, the modern grand piano simply cannot play the same style as the pianos used during Liszt's time. The cross stringing and metal frame made the low end turn into mush when you attempt really quick notes like that. Same thing happens for classical era pieces when recreating alberti basslines, most performers have to change the phrases or else it just sounds like complete shit. >the sonataI would prefer not to, normally I don't even bother clicking on Liszt links, but on a whim decided to.
>>129217820Classical Game Tom Hanks
>>129218036>I would prefer not to, normally I don't even bother clicking on Liszt links, but on a whim decided to.but it's the most important post-Beethoven piano sonata, and one of the greatest pieces of all time.
>>129217989I think it sounds lovely.
>>129218042I don't listen to metal... you must have me confused with someone else. And stop spamming, you guys are ruining this place.
>>129217991You seem to be going in the wrong order.
>>129218067?I listened to the Die Walkure from that cycle yesterday and the Das Rheingold the day before.
>>129218043>it's the most important post-Beethoven piano sonataHow can a failed attempt to re-create the Grande Sonata be the most important post-Beethoven piano sonata? In typical romanticlown fashion its barely even clinging onto the form and the entire thing lacks structure towards anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFjv-m5Z5gM&list=PLxSrW2AO85tyuby8jobMfkHRSmj2lZkNl&index=2
I'm so in love with Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier and Beethoven's piano sonatas, it's actually interfering with and making it almost impossible to listen to other solo piano music, because whenever I try, my brain just incessantly prods me to go listen to something from those two aforementioned cycles instead.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpwS8W8KqoA&list=OLAK5uy_niuBG3f5wSLexWCEX2nVbTi56vtoD8MDc&index=26https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_uZ3JR3LwY&list=OLAK5uy_niuBG3f5wSLexWCEX2nVbTi56vtoD8MDc&index=36https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUT9W8RWf0M&list=OLAK5uy_niuBG3f5wSLexWCEX2nVbTi56vtoD8MDc&index=43https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lgdTda1Kbw&list=OLAK5uy_niuBG3f5wSLexWCEX2nVbTi56vtoD8MDc&index=48Divine. The summit of solo piano classical music.
>>129218104>The Sonata begins (and ends) in a kind of desolate mist, with a descending, tonally ambiguous scale in the piano’s bass. A sudden explosion brings on an impetuous, taut theme in octaves, followed by a brief rhythmic motif that begins with repeated notes. After these two ideas vie with each other, and the opening scale reappears, this time greatly intensified, there appears a simple but grandiose major-key theme with a repeated chord accompaniment – the apotheosis of the extravagant romantic spirit. In a work built almost wholly on thematic transformation, this theme alone remains unchanged in its reappearances, other than for its minor-key manifestations.>From this point on, the basic thematic materials are transformed into elements which rage demonically, caress angelically, disport themselves diabolically, and struggle monumentally. Throughout the work, the drama, which can be thought of as falling into movements, is projected through immensely difficult pianistics, and through lyricism requiring the most elegant tonal refinement. Ultimately, however, the demand on the performer for architectural delineation and poetic ardor is as great as for virtuosic command and superhuman strength, all these resources being required to bring this massive piano tone poem into Lisztian focus.--->Broadly speaking, the sonata has four movements, although there is no gap between them. Superimposed upon the four movements is a large sonata form structure, although the precise beginnings and endings of the traditional development and recapitulation sections has long been a topic of debate. Charles Rosen states in his book The Classical Style that the entire piece fits the mold of a sonata form because of the reprise of material from the first movement that had been in D major, the relative major, now reprised in B minor.Whatever, to each their own. Preferring Alkan over it is bizarre but as I said...
RachAnon, can you please stop engaging with a spamwar with this other guy, and let us all get back to a nice, cordial general about classical music, please and thank you.
>>129218132It's like asking someone to tolerate stinky dogshit in front of them. The metalslopper is responsible for 90% of the spam btw, not even me.
>>129218175>The metalslopper is responsible for 90% of the spam btw, not even me.Ah. Well, all we can do is control our behavior and make improvements on our own end.Obviously, I hope they stop as well.
>>129218204He won't stop. He lashes out the moment I reply to his excruciating pseudo intellectual posts and keeps replying to himself. You endured sistershitter and even want him back, so this is all bit ironic
>find out there's recording of piece I really love by pianist I've been deeply enjoying lately>streaming service has it>for some reason, the last part/movement, the longest of the work, is just the applause and none of the musicwtf, that's a bummer
>>129218122Thank you for the random copy paste, when you have words of your own, let me know. The Grande Sonata is more progressive than the B Minor Sonata, and yet still retained the actual form, the B Minor is just yet another mark of romanticlowns thinking that knocking down buildings is the same as building them. Debussy put it best, although he ought to have included the entire era including himself too.
>>129218232Well, the sisterposter had quality contributions as well, and a decent percentage of their spam was still classical related, even if just in the form of disparaging an opinion, composer, or recording, which is still enough to make it at least somewhat discussion. Or maybe I've simply lost my tolerance for it.
>>129218175>The metalslopper is responsible for 90% of the spam btwPutting your crimes upon others, a common trend, just like how you call others "insecure metalslopper" despite being exactly that? You actually started this spamfest because of the fact your metaltard history was reveiled, remember that? https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/120599920/#q120600239>>129218232>You endured sistershitter and even want him back, so this is all bit ironicBit ironic there Norsposter, aren't you the guy spamming the thread like mad imitating sisterspammer? Maybe that's why NaiveIdiot likes you, you can fill in for his long lost spammer friend, HAHA.
>>129218267Can you not?
>>129218258This is all nonsense. Sistershitter was doing the same thing and didn't discuss a thing with anyone except you and me, strangely enough, except this schizo now is replying to himself
>>129218275We have indeed asked the metalslopper Norseposter to stop his silly tantrums and spamming.
>>129218276nta but i had plenty of interesting exchanges with sisterposter too. he had some genuinely insightful things to say especially re: Beethoven.
wagnersisters, how are the Ring cycles by Haitink, Jaap van Zweden, Janowski, Clemens Krauss, and Hans Knappertsbusch?
>>129218303Can't speak for all of them but I like Janowki's.
>>129218307ty
>>129218293And about 50 times the spam, and I'm being generous. I'm not even defending this metal-twat, but he's the same, except knows a lot less and is much worse as a result.
>>129218322>And about 50 times the spam,Yet isn't it interesting that you have now spent the past week emulating that spam? Why don't you just admit the guy mindbroken you Iass, or should I say "indian child".
>>129218303Kna is best
now playing, this recording has 1,187(!) ratings on Amazon, which is unreal for a classical recording, so figured I'd give it a tryEvening of Roses (Arr. Hodge for Cello, Clarinet & Ensemble)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL3CxAXh7uc&list=OLAK5uy_mQbkgC96-JgeOwc49fs_m9h5G7XkooOX0&index=2Saint-Saëns: Le carnaval des animaux, R. 125: XIII. The Swan (Arr. Hodge for Cello, Harp & Ensemble)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R_Qs7-siXw&list=OLAK5uy_mQbkgC96-JgeOwc49fs_m9h5G7XkooOX0&index=3Song of the Birds (Arr. Casals for Solo Cello & Cello Ensemble)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsCUI4_ewCA&list=OLAK5uy_mQbkgC96-JgeOwc49fs_m9h5G7XkooOX0&index=4Shostakovich: The Gadfly Suite, Op. 97a (Arr. Atovmyan): X. Nocturne (Live)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuAGHY2iLAs&list=OLAK5uy_mQbkgC96-JgeOwc49fs_m9h5G7XkooOX0&index=5start of Shostakovich: Cello Concerto No. 1 in E-Flat Major, Op. 107https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxagu5HZVNs&list=OLAK5uy_mQbkgC96-JgeOwc49fs_m9h5G7XkooOX0&index=6and a few more pieceshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mQbkgC96-JgeOwc49fs_m9h5G7XkooOX0>18-year-old cellist Sheku Kanneh-Mason came into the spotlight when he won the prestigious BBC Young Musician award in 2016. Signed to Decca Classics, his debut album features Shostakovich's Cello Concerto No.1, the piece Sheku performed in the BBCYM final. Recorded live with Mirga Grazinyte-Tyla & City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra, Inspiration also includes a broad range of new cello arrangements, from Saint-Saens' "Le Cygne (The Swan)" to Bob Marley's "No Woman, No Cry."This kind of release is probably the best approach in our contemporary environment. You have a standard repertoire piece as the foundation to build around with a bunch of shorter pieces and singles, ideally thematically or at least sonically linked. So you get a nice combination of a unique program/tracklist + singles for our singles-dominant age, which results in a refreshing recording.
>>129218364That melanated visage tells me all I need to know about the quality within.
>>129218245that's a good quote, i like it
>>129218389Correct.
>>129218363I'll make sure to try it.
>>129218391thank you metal sister
>>129218389>>129218398The first piece is only three minutes, give it a quick peep. Or are you afraid you'll like it? I don't know why I'm bothering... just trying to share good, new music is all.
>>129218407He's busy spamming btw
>>129218407Its just norseposter being an incel racist chud as per usual, just like when he used to spam "HEIL HITLER" all day on /metal/.
shall we finally try Furtwangler's Bruckner?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8_q04jRRmA&list=OLAK5uy_mtFarSangzoiflsYky41-vYb8AuAWhaII&index=13
I found a nice classical playlist for some of you anons, titled "after Tristan"description:>slow, sweet, and anguished chromatic music of the Late Romantic erahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrwWx6q7CQY&list=PLoWd74P1h5KOvhwUoQGvpnScY9l_VIvav&index=3https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoWd74P1h5KOvhwUoQGvpnScY9l_VIvavfor all of the anons asking for a deluge of chromaticism
>>129218435are these post-WW2?
>>129218472
This general really went to shit these last few weeks.
So, did anyone peep yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-J6opjHx0k&list=OLAK5uy_mbgNu7ca8fm8FQX1ReQ-Oa7IFKGOjFRjM&index=1Just at quick glance, the total runtime is ~78 minutes, which is shorter, and I'm inferring faster, than most, achieved primarily with a brisk 22:42 Adagio finale, which is one of the shortest (+fastest) I've ever seen. Hopefully it's good!
>>129218591Someone popped your balloon
>>129218591lmao that hand one. Personally I've never had the desire to fuck a girl from behind, so I've never given a girl that POV.
>>129218175>>129218232Correct.
now playingstart of Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2, Op. 83https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlzDESt2UiA&list=OLAK5uy_m2-CMPr4r9RG1aV2QaZQl3nAOxASqot6o&index=2start of Brahms: 3 intermezzi, Op. 117https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjwXDliitTo&list=OLAK5uy_m2-CMPr4r9RG1aV2QaZQl3nAOxASqot6o&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m2-CMPr4r9RG1aV2QaZQl3nAOxASqot6o>Francesco Piemontesi, conductor Manfred Honeck, and the Gewandhausorchester Leipzig come together in a new recording of Brahms' Piano Concerto No. 2. This concerto transcends the traditional form, blending symphonic grandeur with virtuosic brilliance and moments of intimate chamber-like dialogue between piano and orchestra. Piemontesi's sensitive playing and Honeck's precise, passionate leadership create a richly detailed and moving interpretation of one of Brahms's greatest masterpieces. Alongside the concerto are Brahms' Three Intermezzi, Op. 117 - quiet, reflective pieces that offer a window into the composer's most personal thoughts. Honeck and Piemontesi are both so good, I've no doubt this will live up to their usual standard of quality.
>"How shallow and conventional does the sonata form—that product of Italy—seem in comparison [to the fugue]! It was only by breathing such tremendous life into the accessories of this form that Beethoven brought music back close to Bach.">Again, of Beethoven and Mozart Wagner said: “As far as fugues are concerned, these gentlemen can hide their heads before Bach. They played with the form, wanted to show they could do it too, but he showed us the soul of the fugue. He could not do otherwise than write in fugues."
>>129218482oh niceradio recordings or did they actually cut disks in wartime?
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaXdrp5jwts&list=OLAK5uy_lMU6_pNAzI9tcsKZkktp35gj0eUewg0EM&index=32
Which composer would make for the best homage as your child's middle name? ex:>John Brahms Smith>Anon Wagner Smith>Anon Schumann Smith>Dmitri Shostakovich Vladiovsky (if you're Russian/slavic)>John Bach Smith>John Amadeus Smith>John Ravel Smith>John Sibelius Smithany other thoughts?
>>129218986John Strauss Smith has potential. John Liszt Smith too.
>>129218986John Sebastian Bach Smith. Plus the SB middle name initials creates some great potential, either as John SB Smith or, if they so choose, JSB Smith.
>>129219031
>>129218986I like the sound of John Mussorgksy Smith. Reminds me of William Tecumseh Sherman.
>>129217820>While you runnin' upstairs, grab broom off the roof>Don't forget to take out trash, sweep uncle Gary's room>You found his Fleshlight and licked it, your grandfather's ticklish>I'm very superstitious, I'm allergic to takin' pictures>Unless it's with a flock of certified bad bitches
>>129218986>John Joseph SmithHaydn bros, we won again.
What exactly is the "Brahms fog"?
>>129219187The mental deterioration one faces when he listens to the work of Brahms.
>>129219229I thought that was the Fagner Fatigue though?
>>129219238Retarded
>>129219289Yes, after a few rounds of Der Ring des Inbumnhole one becomes lobotomized from the utter terror inflicted from endless rounds of monotony.
>>129219187The much needed antidote to the Gluthitze of Wagner and Strauss.
Bach and Before, Ives and AfterA little bit of Grieg, Russian 5, and Chabrier, with a dash of Franck and Late LisztAnd you get a patrician concoction of platonically moral music that soothes the soul and puts the passions at rest and the spirit in balance
>>129219238>>129219338thanks metaltard
>Tchaikovsky>3 note chord for cello sectionhow do they play this?! do they split cellos into 3?
>>129219338I'd offer a rebuttal but the lobotomy has rendered me incapable, so I'll just say, no u
>>129219187A forced meme, pretty sure based on some AI image used for an OP where Brahms is in a forest looking all cool and divine surrounded by fog.
>>129218591>>129219092thanks metaltard
>>129219619>>129219684>>129219691>>129219697>>129219709kill yourselves
>>129219697>pretty sure based on some AI image used for an OP where Brahms is in a forest looking all cool and divine surrounded by fog.Retard, its from a Max Reger quote, I just have no idea what Reger meant by "Brahms Fog".>In a letter written in April 1894 to his friend Adalbert Lindner, the twenty-one-year-old Max Reger (1873–1916) staunchly defended Brahms against obstreperous journalistic opponents. Reger conceded that Brahms's music might at first be difficult to grasp, but noted:>Brahms is nonetheless now so advanced that all truly insightful, good musicians, unless they want to make fools of themselves, must acknowledge him as the greatest of living composers. . . . Even if Lessman takes such pains to disperse Brahms and the Brahms fog [Brahmsnebel ] (to use Tappert's term), the Brahms fog will remain. And I much prefer it to the white heat [Gluthitze ] of Wagner and Strauss.I can only guess that by "fog" he meant the complexity hiding the material underneath? Which to be honest I wouldn't really accuse Brahms of, hes dense in some senses, but not like a true obscure wall that takes a lot of investment to break into. Thats something more like you would accuse Reger himself of being (or at least some of his pieces, such as the insane organ "Inferno Fantasie"), probably people like Medtner and Godowsky too. Or the turbo autists like Ferneyhough.
>>129219697Other way around, the AI image exists because of the term "Brahms fog", which was already in use in the late 19th century and can be found in the writings of other composers such as Schoenberg and Reger.>Reger referred to Brahms as “the greatest of living composers.” As he writes, “Brahms is nonetheless now so advanced that all truly insightful, good musicians, unless they want to make fools of themselves, must acknowledge him as the greatest of living composers… The Brahms fog will remain. And I much prefer it to the white heat of Wagner and Strauss.”
>>129219798>>129219804I stand corrected. Thanks. And just in this context, it seems 'fog' is simply a metaphor for Brahms' ubiquitous, pervasive, unavoidable influence, and not relating necessarily to anything about his style.>pic: my city too cannot escape the brahmsfog
>>129219789>getting this triggered by cellos
>>129219804>>129219798thanks metaltard
>>129219874Don't mind the mentally ill harasser we've got around here lately.
>>129218109Good taste famm.
>>129218303>HaitinkMeh>van ZwedenConfusingly shilled as one of the "good ones" by a lot of people. The singing is terrible, though.>JanowskiProbably the most consistent Ring on record, intelligently conducted. It doesn't have as many highs as Solti, Bohm, or any of the golden age broadcasts, but it also doesn't have their lows either. It was also recorded in a church, lending it a very unique acoustic compared to most other Ring cycles. >KraussTop tier in terms of singing. The conducting is quite good too, but the Bayreuth orchestra at that time could be a little sleazy. >KnappertsbuschNever saw the appeal. He got great singers, but his conducting is usually very slow and he was infamous for barely rehearsing so the orchestras don't sound that great in most of his recordings too. For my money the only recording worth hearing by him in Wagner is his stereo Parsifal.
>>129219976Thanks. I'm definitely gonna go through all of Janowski's Wagner then.
>>129218303>Haitinkhalf of the singers are good. Conducting is alright. Sound quality is great.>van Zwedenmost of the singers are bad. Conducting is good. Sound quality is great.>Janowskihalf of the singers are good. Conducting is great. Sound quality is great.>Kraussmost of the singers are good. Conducting is great. Sound quality is bad.>Knappertsbuchmost of the singers are good. Conducting is subpar. Sound quality is bad.
>>129220075>>129220075Yeah I tried sampling part of Knapp's earlier and I immediately reacted, "damn, got fooled by the hiss brigade again"
How many composers were born in such a fully mature fashion as our beloved Medtner? As though his op.5 was taken from a man with twice the years of compositional work. The "high priest guarding the sacred flame", sacred as he - his works of such menace, of force, beauty formed through ominous winds and furious waves crashing upon jagged nightside coasts. There is an impenetrability to him, the immense feeling one has upon looking up at sheer glacier cliffs, that no matter how much you push there will be no yielding, concession, or even small appeasement. Medtner is in essence: pure inner strength, the will to carry on under any poor circumstance, that which I've never heard in any other composer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ljqy0cwAXE&list=OLAK5uy_lmpWDFG4JmlxIWqmTpCk0tzxpMljwmxwY&index=1
now playingstart of Mendelssohn: String Quartet No. 6 in F Minor, Op. 80https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6X5kxug9k8&list=OLAK5uy_mcGed3kZYOY4OJgiKtjR9MST-PpGQnM1Q&index=2start of Mendelssohn: String Quartet No. 4 in E Minor, Op. 44 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fDHHnusLO4&list=OLAK5uy_mcGed3kZYOY4OJgiKtjR9MST-PpGQnM1Q&index=6start of Mendelssohn: String Quartet No. 5 in E-Flat Major, Op. 44 No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZDptWWoNNg&list=OLAK5uy_mcGed3kZYOY4OJgiKtjR9MST-PpGQnM1Q&index=9
>>129220147Why do you talk like your parents diddled you?
>>129220181some included writings with the recording, the part about the Sixth, Op. 80 is especially poignant.
129220147trying WAY too hard
>>129220182>bringing up child rape unprovoked and without reasonCurious!
Fuuuug, finally, some female vocals in Siegfried, only took... 3 hours...
>>129220194tl:dr
>>129220147>>129220182>>129220195Gonna give them some credit for effort. I'll always appreciate anyone trying to write OC here.
>>129220195>>129220218You would slurp it up with glee if it was a quote from another website.
>>129220226I showed you appreciation! Why you hatin' on me
>>129220253Because my natural inclination is to look for fights where none exist, the "4chan fog".
>>129220147>>129220182>>129220218This is the same cringelord
>>129220291No idea who that is, but all fellow Medtner fans are welcome here.
>>129220291>burzumKek. Never listening to shitner
>>129220320I'm pretty sure you're already hated here
>>129220291>dso and teitanbloodgood taste, might give the ol medtner another chance
>>129220338Whatever you say schizophrenic.
>>129220099honestly as inconsistent as the roles are cast (I don't think a single character is sung by one consistent singer throughout) I would probably go with Karajan as my one choice for a Ring. The worst offender is probably Jess Thomas as the young Siegfried, but even he is an alright singer.
>>129220344>might give the ol medtner another chanceAnd a second, then maybe a third. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBNKLz7HnzE
okay this part in Siegfried is orgasmichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRwY4Js7lTg&list=OLAK5uy_lMU6_pNAzI9tcsKZkktp35gj0eUewg0EM&index=39
>>129220208What, didn't get your fill in Walküre?
>>129220437If I had my way, every part would be sung by a woman.
>>129220433Nice.>>129220437Nah, there's never too much female singing
>>129220401>I would probably go with Karajan as my one choice for a RingYeah I figure that's probably where I'll end up. I just wanna explore some variety for now, especially as the contrast will only accentuate Karajan's greatness.
>>129220452>>129220208A true Wagnersister.
You DID memorize all 127 leitmotifs of The Ring, right anon?
>>129220291I'm thinking based
>>129217820 lovel https://youtu.be/2NNbeS-_EEA
>>129220482don't tell anyone but not-uh-one
>>129220344>>129220503Samefagging has never been more obvious.
>>129220536
I was just listening to Music for 18 Musicians by Steve Reich and turns out it will be performed near me in February to commemorate composer's 90th jubilee and 50 years of the piece itself. Super happy and grabbed my ticket!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71A_sm71_BI
For today's opera performance, we listen to Prokofiev's War and Peace conducted by Mstislav Rostropovich (almost went with Gergiev again but figured I ought to mix it up).opening overturehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjpdvBNSMdg&list=OLAK5uy_kzFHBQYcEslTKigQ__bqaemXAc9FyEheU&index=2random chorus part (warning: immediately loud)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdTfD3SFSHE&list=OLAK5uy_kzFHBQYcEslTKigQ__bqaemXAc9FyEheU&index=2random soloists parthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmEr1CtDD_o&list=OLAK5uy_kzFHBQYcEslTKigQ__bqaemXAc9FyEheU&index=20
>>129220587fug I forgot the blurb,>Prokofiev composed his adaptation of Tolstoy’s mighty War and Peace during World War II. In 1986, as the Cold War entered its final phase, the exiled Mstislav Rostropovich conducted this superb recording of the opera with his wife, Galina Vishnevskaya, in the central role of Natalya Rostova. Rostropovich had been Prokofiev’s student and knew him well. “At the end of his life,” he wrote, “Prokofiev was obsessed with the hope that one day his greatest masterpiece, War and Peace, would triumph in its definitive form … Now I fervently hope that this recording will satisfy my old friend.”
>>129220566>moronIronic. Screenshot is worthless.
I couldn't imagine being a Wagnersister, male singers are preferred and Verdi wrote better music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXc9o5wT0ig
>>129220581Very cool. Hope you go and enjoy! Let us know how it is.
>>129220581>Music for 18 Musicians by Steve Reich>grabbed my ticket!My condolences.
>>129220614It's not bad but it's a bit too... hollywood musical-ish for me. I'm sure I'll get into it at some point, that part is pretty good actually.
>>129220635>hollywood musical-ishAs opposed to Wagner sounding like every marvel music soundtrack shat out of hollywood? Get the fuck outta here.
I'm still a novice but so far for opera:German > Russian > Eastern European (Smetana's The Bartered Bride is stellar, + Bartok and Dvorak and Janacek) > French > ItalianSubject to change, obvhaven't tried any American yet, and for English, both times I've tried a Britten opera I turned it off within 10 minutes
>>129220581You know that you can sleep for free at home, right?
recommended recordings for Bizet's Carmen and Gounod's Faust?
>>129220684https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO5dTOx0RpA&list=OLAK5uy_lahKmlaqBGGc634zOukB1GnAU-qrJOlsI&index=22
>>129220672> haven't tried any American yet, and for English, both times I've tried a Britten opera I turned it off within 10 minutesThere are two operas in English language I would really like to recommend: Anthropocene - of which I lost the recording unfortunately, if any anon has it and can share that would be awesome, and Met's holiday staging of The Magic Flute - a translation of a rarely seen quality where it both makes sense and vowels are in correct places to be sung. Anthropocene is also a science fiction thriller which is a very rare genre for an operatic plot.>>129220673>>129220627In the past I tried and failed to listen to it many times, before it clicked one day. It's a meditative experience. It walks you through building a melody step by step. We start with a beat and over time themes are developed step by step. You can practically see how the music is born. It's pretty interesting, although I agree it's not the most exciting piece. But it does not need to be.>>129220618Thank you, I would!
>>129220672It's time for the greatest opera: WozzeckAlso, start reading libretti.
Purcell had the best arias, does literally anything even come close to Dido's Lament?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OeflJ71x8Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGz9Rpp95-M
https://youtu.be/HeGEgnRg_7I&t=446Loving the raspiness of the trombone here
>>129220842Thanks, I'll check both out.>>129220850I've been saving the modernist stuff until I was fully into opera but yeah, I think I'm ready for Berg's and Schoenberg's operas, among others.>Also, start reading libretti.I should, now that I'm fully into the music. Problem is I like to listen to music while I'm doing other things, so a fully-active experience of reading the libretto while listening to the music for 2-4 hours... it's a little daunting. I don't know if I can sustain it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX46og87N-U
>>129220864Funny, I was literally just reading about that work. Guess I'll have to listen to it sooner than later.>>129220877Gorgeous.
>>129220895Seriously among the worst piles of shite I've ever listened to, and I thought Webern was bad holy fucking lmao. Modernism + opera might be the most comical pairings I've come across in music.
>>129220895>>129220915I like it. I don't know if I love it yet, but I like it.
>>129220895This is great
>>129220938>*plink plonk bonk blink*>WOZZECK>*bonk dink clink*>HA HA HA>*ding dank donk*
>>129220892>>129220938Wozzeck is pretty much the fulfillment of what Wagner promised for opera, but was unable to deliver himself. It manages to integrate classical symphonic form and technique into a dramatic narrative in a way that is entirely unobstrusive yet easy to perceive if you are aware it exists. The libretto is of the highest quality, and far from merely illustrating it the music increases its psychological depth, where different realities have their own sound - Wozzeck is the first polystilistic masterpiece, but never once sounds like arbitrary pastiche, different styles are always employed towards dramatic ends. I pretty much agree with Boulez: Wozzeck set a standard for opera that is still as modern as it was in 1922, in part because no composer, not even Berg himself, were able to create anything beyond it.
>>129220581pimp shit , go
>>129220993>Wozzeck is pretty much the fulfillment of what Wagner promised for opera,The worlds greatest comedy?
>>129220895Very nice. I might actually listen to this tonight. This is the recording you'd recommend? Looking it up, there's some decent competition, eg Kegel, Dohnanyi, Bohm, Boulez, Kleiber, Abbado.
>>129221025Kegel is the best one.
This or Raymond Leppard/Jessye Norman for Purcell's Dido and Aeneas? Or other? Huh, it's only an hour long, I thought that was an abridged/highlights version when I first saw it.
>>129221025>Kegelthe pussy guy?
>>129221075No, the Phenomenology of Spirit guy.
>>129221063lol dildo and anus
>>129220850Indulge me the stupid question: I imagine reading the libretto is possibly something you only have to do once, ye? Like, you read along and then from then on, you should have a good idea of what's going on in whatever scene whenever you listen to that work from then on. Or is the poetry of the libretto so good it's something you ought to do whenever you want to experience the work in full?
Do any of you know what song this is? It's used at the end of episode 5 of a silent film called Tih Minh. From what I can gather it's presumably repertoire, as they also used elgar's cello concerto at one point. Audio compiled by a guy named julien boury, whoever that may be.https://vocaroo.com/1nraR7QdI1zt
>>129221177Sounds more like filmscore music than classical proper, ie composed for the film itself. That'd be my bet, anyway.
>>129221146Depends on you. Even just reading synopsis can be enough for some. The more you read, the better you connect to the music/story.
What is the best /classical/ rendition of a national anthem?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1vx-sYGR-dA&pp=ygUmYmVldGhvdmVuIGdvZCBzYXZlIHRoZSBraW5nIHZhcmlhdGlvbnM%3Dhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V8KQQdEdXVM&pp=ygUhcmFjaG1hbmlub2ZmIHN0YXIgc3BhbmdsZWQgYmFubmVy
>>129221025>This is the recording you'd recommend?I would recommend you acquire a musical filter and learn to distance yourself from that composition. >>129221063I prefer Elin Manahan Thomas and the lean stripped down Dido, it has composure, grace, and nobility. Janet Baker is powerful, but has no grace, shes too low and far too much warbling, although its what people will shill to you as the definitive recording, mostly because opera fans love self-gratuitous grandiose auto-fellatio. Personally I think its garbage in comparison.Also>Jessye Norman*smacks lips*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6DycENrIOc&list=OLAK5uy_lUJ0c3_4RscbaxtS_GN82drgSATSUwchQ&index=39
>>129221262https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66f-eci4pQ0&list=OLAK5uy_n5EmqKM_Tuf-jPukaBmiDyY8GIr_n4cMw&index=24
>>129221272Well, you certainly know what you like. Thanks for the rec, I added it.
>>129221262https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkCNadrQZSU&list=OLAK5uy_lubSfV5Fr6vUnTm2dl6_08q2ThHye5aYY&index=11
>>129221272>learn to filter yourself like I did
>>129220895Masterpiece.
>>129221323I wouldn't even bother added it to your listening list, its incredibly specific because I don't like opera, and prefer intimate chamber works over orchestral pieces. The only reason I know Dido is because the aria are divine and I'm an Anglo. Purcell is all we got for music, and unfortunately he was an Opera writer instead of something actually good. Why wouldn't we have even had someone like Scarlatti or Soler, a Rameau or Couperin? Whatever, at least Dido's Lament remains the greatest of all aria I've heard.
>>129221262https://youtu.be/SV4Uy-3b0c8
now playingstart of Sibelius: Symphony No. 3 in C Major, Op. 52https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JkAlpdi-P0&list=OLAK5uy_ktdx8O52DZWk90OZlehtuZKGw_1vXKniU&index=2start of Sibelius: Symphony No. 5 in E-Flat Major, Op. 82https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4Bwjq7ivjY&list=OLAK5uy_ktdx8O52DZWk90OZlehtuZKGw_1vXKniU&index=5Sibelius: Pohjola's Daughter, Op. 49https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs_Y0gCErf8&list=OLAK5uy_ktdx8O52DZWk90OZlehtuZKGw_1vXKniU&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ktdx8O52DZWk90OZlehtuZKGw_1vXKniUI'm interested to see how the new-school (aside from Makela, whose cycle I do quite like) perform Sibelius, and this is one of the newest acclaimed cycles on the market by a young conductor.
>>129221370If only the rap fans were as intelligent as yourself, then they could also say you were filtered for not wanting to listen to their garbage.
>>129221398Caught myself humming this while grocery shopping this afternoon.
I know how magnificently beautiful the first two movements of Bruckner's 7th are, yet whenever I actually listen to them, they always manage to exceed my expectation:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O78G5GT8NYQ&list=OLAK5uy_mQhmm23GuaSjj-M2DnH_d3dHuAUx7ja34&index=9Incredible.
>>129221262Obviously the OG one.https://youtu.be/qoWdtGUe5fc?si=ajZf2nX_CZRx2QTT&t=417
>>129221433And here comes the midwit posturing about his (lack of) intelligence.
>>129221493Ironic post.
>>129221389>>129221272based "the French Revolution was a mistake" anon
Heard the milkman whistling Xenakis today.
>>129221549>>129221443the 21st century our ancestors dreamed of
>>129221517Correct.
watching Quantum of Solace on mute while listening to classical :)
>>129221505Not really.
>Were I a gambling man, which due to my upper Canadian Puritan inheritance I am of course not, I'm very inclined to place my money on the prospects for immortality of Arnold Schoenberg above and beyond any other composer who's lived in our era, I think.
>>129221746Yeah really.
>>129221663Cinema
>>129221763In your wet dreams, perhaps.
>>129221829Those are reserved for Timberly only, so you are incorrect.
>>129221840thank you metal tard
>>129221759He was correct, heard our waitress at Red Robin singing Schoenberg's Suite for Piano, his legacy is realhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQHR_Z8XVvI
>>129221913Flamenco*, but you are excused for your lack of knowledge on her music.
>>129221926thank you metal tard
>>129220965kek
>>129221759thank you metal tard
>>129221989swing and a miss
Anyway, Regerhttps://youtu.be/sWaKfwrkc4Q
>>129222004thank you metal tard
>>129222004His inner rage after being called a metal tard will target anyone at random. It's an extreme case of self-loathing.
>>129222043Yeah he just implied my flamenco babe Timberly is metal related, guy's lost the plot.
>>129222058>>129222043thank you metal tards
I think I'm ready to give Parsifal another try.
we always leave the metal threads in peace, yet they spam /classical/. what gives?
>>129222199I read a post here a week ago where someone thought /classical/ was "the /dbs/ of /mu/", which I cackled at greatly, /metal/ is a complete fucking schizofest the likes of which this general has no idea.
>>129222246so you're a refugee? that's understandable.
>>129222258No, I just grew bored of metal and don't go there anymore. Only explaining that their culture is based around deranged and constant unholy schizospam.
>>129222350sleep token being good must have driven them into some kind of 4D perpetual crab bucket scenario with hyperschizophrenia dusting
>>129222350what happens in /metal/ stays in /metal/.
>>129222222
>>129222382No, the schizophrenia was enforced by the mods/janitors who turned it into their personal shitpost pen for years. The guy posting electronic music there everyday is a confirmed janitor, the guy spamming kpop webms there is likely in the janitor discord, there is a mod who shows up every now and then and will insta ban you if you interrupt their spamming too much. They have a celebration every time the guy from serbia shows up to spam the thread with ai metal songs about hating...dogs. The janitor that sits in /classical/ is incompetent, but at least seems to not intentionally turn the place schizophrenic.
>>129222462and what exactly are we supposed to do about it? have you tried informing other admin members about the state of /metal/?
>>129222529Nothing, in case you didn't know they removed the mod feedback option after the sharty took 4chan down. Not that the feeback option did anything, the majority of the mods/janitors of each board do nothing except intentionally troll the userbase. I don't know if you have taken a look around, but the mods don't even make public posts anymore, there is zero interaction with them, they don't care, they just want to troll the users and kill the site for laughs.
anyone here actually understand the structure of Bruckner's symphonies? I've listened to them dozens and dozens of times and I still haven't a clue
>>129222561then you have two options: leave this website or become a janitor. the former will probably be better for your mental health in the long run.
>>129222594I do but then again I study that kind of shit at a university.
>>129222614Go on...
>>129222602Not really, I can just sit in the parts I like and aren't killed yet. Eventually we will all have to leave this place and the internet as a whole once the dead internet theory kicks into full gear, but we aren't there yet (although with the increase of third world 60 IQ subhumans on the internet it is basically almost there even without actual bot spam).
now playingstart of Brahms: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 77https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKw50ycTZm8&list=OLAK5uy_mMWKA5kBHmL-5LuvgQHPOcQ3qIGRqXoiw&index=2start of Brahms: Double Concerto for Violin and Cello in A Minor, Op. 102https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TL_hSpmlh4&list=OLAK5uy_mMWKA5kBHmL-5LuvgQHPOcQ3qIGRqXoiw&index=5start of Brahms: Violin Sonata No. 3 in D Minor, Op. 108https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnxQiMBTPz4&list=OLAK5uy_mMWKA5kBHmL-5LuvgQHPOcQ3qIGRqXoiw&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mMWKA5kBHmL-5LuvgQHPOcQ3qIGRqXoiw
>>129222640the internet has been in a death spiral since spics, arabs, sea monkeys, and indians got access to it. In an ideal world only people of European or NE Asian descent would be allowed internet access.
>>129222626maybe in another thread.
>>129222709okay :)
>>129222690Remember when the occasional huemonkey was the worst of our worries? Would give anything to go back to the JAJAJAJA days over the flood of Indians. I've been contemplating learning Chinese just to have a place where I don't have to communicate with low IQ mongrels and still have a reasonable sized population to speak with. Shame its literally the hardest language in the entire world to learn besides moonrunes.
>>129220452Sounds like Strauss will be your favourite opera composer.
Haydnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-9N4ITw0uk
I'm listening to Klemperer's studio Bruckner 8, and for fun decided to compare the runtime with his older performances.1970 studio1st mvt: 17:572nd: 19:543rd: 27:004th: 19:39 (240 bars cut)1957 live cologne1st: 14:212nd: 14:233rd: 22:274th: 20:34 (no cuts)I mean it's not news Klemperer drastically slowed his conducting tempo as he aged, but still, damn
>>129221463yeahhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXCzx5uN6RYhttps://www.abruckner.com/store/abrucknercomexclus/abrucknercomcds/symphony-no-7-oskar-fried--berlin-state-opera-orch/>This historic performance was recorded in 1924 and is the first recording of a full-length Bruckner Symphony. The recording itself has a checkered history.>When Music and Arts released this CD a few years ago. They added other works conducted by Fried to fill out the disc to almost the 80 minute maximum. But then it was discovered that the Bruckner was pitched sharp. If they re-pitched the recording, then some of the works that they added to the CD and would no longer fit. There was little for them to do.>Abruckner.com was then permitted by Music and Arts to release the Bruckner only and Aaron Z. Snyder agreed to clean up and re-pitch the recording thus making this the best available CD of this historic recording.aw man
Monteverdihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atQ3OkeeuEM&list=OLAK5uy_n0-tpg-Y0BPSlTkylCEypcZ1VJduf6Z1M&index=11
>>129222827Sounds... dreary. And I don't bad or poor, I mean funereal and gloomy.
Why did you delete your last.fm Hector?
>>129222864not sure what this has to do with /classical/, try posting on >>>/mu/?
>>129222876erm... /shreddit/?
>>129220401While I admire Karajan's recording overall, it's one of those ones I've never kept around in my collection because of all the small annoyances, especially in regards to the editing. There's so many badly spliced together takes that are extremely noticable on earphones. And things line parts of the chorus in Gotterdammerung being overdubbed in a few scenes always irritates me. I swear, Karajan was his worst enemy in the studio.
>>129222765this cures clinical depression.
>>129220099Speaking for the hiss brigade we don't really care for Kna very much either. He could be good but he was just too uneven. Do listen to the Potted Ring excerpts some day, though. Or don't. The singing on those records are so good that most singers that came after can sound rather pale by comparison.
>>129222864Its not, its just temporary hidden.
>>129222856>Bruckner began writing it in anticipation of the death of Richard Wagner, who was in poor health. whoa
>>129222927Hmm, I guess it could be educational to see how the old, old school used to do it.
>>129221025Watch the Maderna DVD for a first time viewing. It's a perfect visual accompaniment. https://youtu.be/cS7rIkIohuIAnd then after that you can listen to Kegel's recording. Or do the inverse, it doesn't really matter.
now playingstart of Sibelius: Symphony No. 4 in A Minor, Op. 63https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A72rer5Feq8&list=OLAK5uy_kiv18uHhruVaokFtzU5EhYY2AZ3tPuEmc&index=2Sibelius: The Wood Nymph, Op. 15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLO4CA9n0aY&list=OLAK5uy_kiv18uHhruVaokFtzU5EhYY2AZ3tPuEmc&index=6Sibelius: 2 Pieces from Kuolema, Op. 44: No. 1, Valse tristehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTT48ElJ9oE&list=OLAK5uy_kiv18uHhruVaokFtzU5EhYY2AZ3tPuEmc&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kiv18uHhruVaokFtzU5EhYY2AZ3tPuEmcStupid album cover -- should be a great recording though.
>>129222952Saved for later, thanks. Looks like an arthouse musical film.
>>129222951https://youtu.be/CN5NRmvXDF0 Melchior is still the standard by which all other heldentenors are measured (and who frustratingly always falter by comparison)
>>129220614Why would you think Wagnerians enjoy male singing less than female singing?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfsBT1_IF38
>>129223073>Why would you think Wagnerians enjoy male singing less than female singing?see >>129220208 >>129220452
>>129223082I'm not a Wagnerian though, I'm new to opera.
>>129223004Neat. I've seen his name mentioned, so it's good to know the source of all the comparisons.
>>129223122>I'm new to opera.Stay that way, we hate opera here and the greatest disgrace to Anglo-Saxon culture is that our only good composer was an operaslopper.
What are the non-HIP recordings of Monteverdi's L'Orfeo? Or is Harnoncourt the best I'm gonna do?
>>129223142but Bach didn't write any operas.
>>129223181>Bach>AngloWut.I'm assuming you mean Handel, and he was still German, we just gave him a new home.
>>129223207traditionally Anglo-Saxon refers to England and Northern Germany. you need to brush up on your racism, anon.
>>129223154https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLX2nVm659s&list=OLAK5uy_kFCUJWwmn5ljp-kvhPIOQ6fKAI6u-T6VE
Debussyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wGJzf5udko&list=OLAK5uy_mnlcS3_jEEsEB6QAJ3Da7es-ppn0IJcSg&index=2
>>129223242Incorrect. >Although it involved immigrant communities from northern Europe, the culture of the Anglo-Saxons was not transplanted from there, but rather developed in Britain.While we can argue that all Germanics are rather related, in reference to Anglo-Saxon we are making a distinction between continental Germans who were forever stuck in their territory, and our small island that conquered the entire world.
I dislike male singing so much I can't even listen to Schubert's Winterreise
>>129223279btw I'm trans.
>>129223274see:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu6YFBQOB3c&t=85the world wars should be more accurately called the Anglo-Saxon civil war of 1914-1945.
>>129222755I do love his.
me on the right
>>129223142There has never been a great composer or musician who disliked opera.
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZqGx0l6eg&list=PLu63a-m6F08SJVf68cIH-cSi27mn_9ivd&index=46
>>129223307Germany is much bigger than Saxony, not to mention the importance of Austria, Poland, France, and so on. >>129223367Brahms, Glenn Gould. No need to cope that actually Brahms really loved opera, there is a reason he never once bothered to write even an oratorio, yet did write a requiem. I honestly think the only reason Beethoven even bothered to write an opera was just to say he did, for his own ego and legacy. Its a garbage hollywood genre made for the masses. Anything good about opera is done better in masses or requiems.
forgive me, Kegel-anon, I'm going with Bohm on my first listenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI1Rl_IxepI&list=OLAK5uy_kZ8X8iGz51OGbqfjz7-hsBhvgen2qzRV4&index=1
>>129223431Brahms didn't dislike opera you inveterate imbecile, he just couldn't write them.>In my opinion, each number in Figaro is a miracle; it is totally beyond me how anyone could create anything so perfect; nothing like it was ever done again, not even by Beethoven.
>>129223571>can write a requiem, but "can't" even write an oratorioFace reality, he just chose not to because he didn't respect the genre. You can't even say he couldn't write for voice, or avoided all vocal genres. Giving lip-service to Mozart speaks much less loudly than totally disregarding the genre for his own compositions.If you truly believed that opera or even oratorio was a worthwhile genre, then you would write one, especially given you had written other vocal works.
>>129223614Brahms literally did try to write an opera, he sent out requests for a libretto and described a type of anti-Wagnerian opera he wanted to create. But in the end he realised what everyone knows, that he had no talent for opera. It's not easy to write in a form that you have no talent for, and the theatrical and song-centred nature of opera is just antithetical to Brahms. Writing a requiem is completely different. I love his lieder but you can clearly see that he's no Schubert, it doesn't come naturally to him, and it's always a little awkward.
>>129223482Are you still listening to operas without reading the libretto? That's a big mistake. Operas are way more enjoyable, and make more musical sense, when you're reading the libretto. I know you said it seems daunting to be reading a libretto for two hours but it's entertaining like watching a movie.
>>129223571That's a nice quote.
>>129223657I'll get to that point soon, for now I'm just happy to finally be enjoying them as music.
>>129223638>Brahms literally did try to write an operaAnd yet never did, there is no world where Brahms lacks the talent to write any form of music, he just realized what every intelligent person does: that the genre is hot garbage based around indulgent maudlin manner that no self-respecting person would enjoy. The Italians were at least intelligent enough to realize it was just a fun party genre, so they stuffed it full of catchy melodies and songs, only the Germans were autistic enough to turn it into a serious marvel movie showdown of horn farting for 8 hours straight.>the theatrical and song-centred nature of opera is just antithetical to Brahms.You mean antithetical to actual music. Requiem and choral/chants are for actual composers.
>>129223709You're embarrassing yourself, anon.
>>129223714Anyone who signed their name on an opera embarrassed themselves. Name one (1) function Opera serves over oratorio, lieder, stand alone aria, or songs. I'll wait. Let me guess, something that has no relation to music?
>collecting a bunch of Lieder in a song cycle is fine>collecting a bunch of arias in an opera is le bad
>>129223741>theater is badCorrect.
>>129223733>Anyone who signed their name on an opera embarrassed themselves.this did make me lol, I'll give you that
The fact is that before they had tv shows and movies, they had theater and opera. It was entertainment, it was catchy songs and some shitty barely coherent plot because you were too low-brow to stick around for absolute music. It probably made composers lots of money, and gave them a lot of fame, which in turn made them lots of money through extra commotions and students. Its a meme genre made for entertainment, not Art. And Fagner? Hes just the Lord of the Rings movie, except its your friend who keeps making you watch all three movies in a row, plus demanded it be the director's cut, and after its finally fucking over you only wish that you never have to be put through such tortuous monotony again.
>>129223783>commotions
>>129223863It was a lazy autocorrect, commissions*. There are probably other errors in the post, feel free to post them for me as my personal proofreader.
wait, the singer's name is actually Siegfried Jerusalem? I thought the tracklist was naming one of the characters. whoops
And if you don't believe me, look up the richest classical composers. Protip: its nearly all exclusively opera writers (plus Strauss, the good one). Opera is literal SCHLOCK made for money and fame. Beethoven lived a generic commoner's lifestyle, meanwhile Puccini, Handel, Verdi, Rossini, etc were multi millionaires living in riches. Opera is not an art, it is a business. Just like Hollywood today.
>>129224061idk man I just treat opera like orchestral lieder, nothin' schlocky about that unless you think lieder/classical singing altogether is shlock
>>129223783I can understand the hate for modern cinema, but the Lord of the Rings trilogy? What is this nonsense?
>>129223482It's fine, you always ignore good advice
>>129223709you are making up a conclusion with no evidence and then insisting upon It like a schizophrenic
>>129223733ease of storytelling. there is no reason to believe the mixing of theatre and music should be inherently bad unless you are a retards who believe theatre is inherently bad
>>129224115>idk man I just treat opera like orchestral liederLets just take this false premise at face value (That the plot and dialog never impede in any fashion on the music, even though this is never the case and there is ALWAYS a back and forth section between characters.), then why are oratorios so much less posted than operas? Why is it actual lieder is so rarely mentioned or posted? The reason is because people are not listening to opera for QUALITY, they are listening to it because they are DRONES; it is popular, so it must be worth listening to, it is popular, so it must be quality, it is popular, so it must be investigated. >>129224539Lord of the Rangs is schlock. All cinema is schlock. Even if you thought the actual Lord of the Rangs story was an artistic masterpiece (its not), the movie adaptation cuts out entire sections. Books are always superior to movies, books can be Art (although frequently are not), movies are entertainment.
Just noticing how much of my library is this guy playing (Jordi Savall). He seems pretty GOAT. What are your personal favorite works by him? Currently listening to thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UABhF8OFeSA
>>129224663>storytelling.Not music.>theatre is inherently badCorrect.
>>129224900>why are oratorios so much less posted than operas? Why is it actual lieder is so rarely mentioned or posted?Because opera has greater music and more great composers writing them.
>>129225265Bach, Handel, and Mendelssohn all wrote oratorios.
>>129224900>then why are oratorios so much less posted than operas?You realize you're asking this of the guy who's been posting choral music and oratorios for the past 2+ years and has only been into opera for a week now, right?
>>129222246>>129222350>>129222462>>129223142thank you metal tard
>>129223274>>129223431>>129223614>>129223709>>129223733moronic charlatan
>>129224913I'm familiar, and I don't think this guy is good at all. Just another misinformed HIP who learned how to play viola da gamba from some picture (??) and random text. Miserable.
>>129225755Can you recommend some better musicians who have a vast library? I'm kind of new so Im still learning who is good and who sucks. lll delete him from my library
>>129225765Hey if you like him, you like him.>Can you recommend some better musicians who have a vast library?What kind? A conductor? A violinist? A pianist?
Peter Griiiimes, Peter Griiiiimes, Peter Griiiiiimes...
>>129225769Like an instrumentalist who has a bunch of releases in different styles, especially like pre-classical era. I thought his ethnic folk was cool
>>129225810Maybe Trevor Pinnock? btw Jordi Savall is very acclaimed and popular for a reason, don't just delete him from your library because of one comment here.
>>129225765If you enjoy HIP then I can't help. If there's something specific you're interested in, at least someone will probably give you recs.Just remember, rule of the thumb is, born in 19th century = is from the authentic classical tradition. This is how Matthew Passion should sound like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zayss_RBkj8>>129225810Here's bunch of great violinists:Camillo Sivori, Joseph Joachim, Pablo Sarasate, Eugene Ysaÿe, George Enescu, Leopold Auer, Bronisław Huberman, Jan Kubelik, Fritz Kreisler, Jenő Hubay, Willy Burmester, Arnold Rosé, Efrem Zimbalist, Mischa Elman, Jacques Thibaud, Maud Powell, Marie Soldat-Roeger, Joseph Szigeti.
>>129225825>HIPWhat is HIP ?
>>129225810Masaaki Suzuki
>>129225642Obviously taken into consideration, doesn't refute what I said.
Do you guys agree with the words of Beethoven himself calling the Missa Solemnis his best work?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVs1zficDkc
>>129225834Historically (mis)informed performance.Compare:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhOaS_Cy8_8Vs (HIP)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XnXQOZd0ZI
>>129225857Depending what I'm in the mood for, but generally, yes.
>>129223783>>129224539>>129224900>>129225265>>129225642Imagine getting not just filtered by Wagner, but somehow even LOTR fikters you. Just stop consuming art at this point.
>>129225857Yeah, I think so.
>>129225872metaltards should never be taken seriously.
>>129225265I think the guy is retarded but i actually enjoy oratorios more than opera for the sole reason that they're much harder to molest by pretentious directors which makes them a much safer bet for a good time when seeing them live. Regardless, this argument is just console warring but for music .
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the vagner meme
>>129225861HIP sounds better
>>129225935My condolences.
>>129223783So how do you objectively quantify the quality of an absolute piece of music?
>>129225861I don't get it, I don't dislike the second one at all. Can you expand on what the differences are
>>129222841>>129222827thanks
