Mozart editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG0NqwWshpoThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129217749
>>129225925Wagner.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjZ81Nqj3Hs&list=OLAK5uy_mcFA6ifiqdlOhtt3tOGVHSMVEvXHcdnbA&index=43
>>129226034Based. You have good taste. The differences are very simple: first one (Heifetz) makes the violin SING. He does this by smooth legato, organic articulation (imitating what a singer would do - this is precisely how you should play an instrument, as per every major composer), vibrato (likewise, imitating singing) and much more. In short, it is highly expressive and thus more enjoyable.On the other hand, the HIPster plays notes completely disconnected from one another, when the score does not even indicate staccato (it's not even pure staccato, nor legato, just some hackery inbetween). There is no proper articulation, performer has no idea how to phrase, you'll find strange accents everywhere, it has no vibrato etc. HIP is an excuse for a lack of talent.
>>129226063tbf I misread that as "I don't like the second one".
>>129226063>vibrato (likewise, imitating singing) and much moreDidn't Caruso and Lilli Lehmann not use vibrato?
Who is the best player of debussy?
>>129226111What are you talking about? Do you even know what vibrato is, anon?They did use vibrato more naturally however, not like the modern schoolers. Interestingly, their vibrato was faster too, and had narrower extent (smaller pitch deviation). Not only did old school musicians play faster and more accurately, their natural voices were faster too. Completely in line with simple reaction times increase (as in, our reaction times have declined), which positively correlates with general intelligence as well as its decline everywhere around the globe. Modern musicians are totally worthless in every single regard imaginable.> Abstract>This work presents a statistical study of vibrato parameters in soprano voices. More than one hundred recordings of the same tone sung by 75 artists have been analyzed. Vibrato rate and extent, tone length and intonation, together with their correlations are the main parameters under examination. The study shows a clear decrease of the mean vibrato rate during the last century (-1.8±0.3 Hz/century), together with an increase of vibrato extent (56.4±0.3cent/century). Vibrato rate and extent show a statistically significant negative correlation (r=-0.62). Vibrato rate increase near the end of the tone has been observed too, in agreement with previous measurements, together with a mean increase of the pitch of the tone. A small positive correlation has been also found among note duration and vibrato extent. >Objective: Past literature indicates that vibrato measurements of singers objectively changed (i.e., vibrato rate decreased and vibrato extent increased) from 1900 to the present day; https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21895105/
>>129226063that's more about heifetz being a freak in terms of talent than anything to do with hip
>>129226539No it's about old school musicians generally being better and understanding the singing tone; legato, chest voice/diminuendo, breath point etc. Heifetz is one of the last of the old school, there are many>Camillo Sivori, Joseph Joachim, Pablo Sarasate, Eugene Ysaÿe, George Enescu, Leopold Auer, Bronisław Huberman, Jan Kubelik, Fritz Kreisler, Jenő Hubay, Willy Burmester, Arnold Rosé, Efrem Zimbalist, Mischa Elman, Jacques Thibaud, Maud Powell, Marie Soldat-Roeger, Joseph Szigeti.
>>129226505>What are you talking about? Do you even know what vibrato is, anon?I read somewhere that 19th century singers didn't use vibrato. Also you need to stop watching the Aarvoll videos, iq decrease is not solely responsible for cultural decline.
>>129226715Who? I did not say it was a causation, I pointed out the obvious correlation.
>>129226715go back to /pol/, retard. the fact that you aren't part of high society does not mean IQ has decreased since the 1800s.
>>129226763meant for: >>129226505
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxCTUr_6S9M
Wagner is like the Hegel of music. Anything else written either disagrees with Wagnerian style, and so is wrong, or agrees with Wagnerian style, and is therefore redundant. All you ever have needed and ever will need is Wagner.
found the stupidest post itt: >>129227307
>>129227307True.
Wagner is like the Hegel of music. People pretend to understand it to appear intellectual even though it hardly makes any sense at all.
Hegel is the Hegel of music.
>>129225265It does not, you only assume as such because opera is more popular among the masses, which means their reputation is higher.
>>129227307Fagner is like Hegel: neither one wrote a coherent sentence.
>>129227307>Hegel is a matter of taste.… And not only of German but of European taste!… A taste which Wagner understood!—which he felt equal to! which he has immortalised!—All he did was to apply it to music—he invented a style for himself, which might mean an “infinity of things,”—he was Hegel's heir.… Music as “Idea.”—- Nietzsche>The Ring itself is a post-Hegelian work. In the descent into Nibelheim, Wagner gives us an image of industrial capitalism that says more than a thousand pages of Karl Marx. In the character of Wotan he presents a brilliant summary of the vision underlying Hegel's political philosophy. And in the drama of Siegfried and Brünnhilde he unfolds an epitome of the idealist philosophy of self-knowledge.>Looking back on this episode in cultural history, we see that Wagner was the true voice in music of Hegelian idealism. But he added a dimension that was entirely his own.- Scruton>Hegelian contradiction forms the material of Wotan’s Walküre monologue – better, dialectical self-dialogue. Negation of Wotan’s original political intent, a monarchical state under rule of law, is revealed as implicit in that state’s founding, yet revelation may only, in Hegelian spirit, come historically, contradictions having became apparent. “The owl of Minerva only takes flight at the onset of dusk,” that Dämmerung prophetic of Götterdämmerung itself (“die Eule der Minerva beginnt erst mit der einbrechenden Dämmerung ihren Flug,” Hegel, 7:28). Hegel’s master-slave dialectic is proclaimed with thoroughgoing anarchism: “Lord through contracts, now am I enslaved to those contracts” (Walküre Act II, scene 2).- Mark Berry, author of the blog Boulezian
Arguing with norseposter and asking him his thoughts on things is a waste of time, you already know the answer for every single question you have for him: "old good, new bad". After that its just going to be regurgitation of whatever youtube meme he watched, listing everything they told him to say "SING, HORIZONTAL, LEGATO, FASTER, BETTER, STRONGER, GAYER". The reality is that performance standards are much higher in the modern era, there are poor Koreans being taken out of competitions for playing a couple wrong notes, which is laughable when you realize nearly all the "old greats" constantly play incorrect notes in nearly every recording. This is all covered up by the pathetic subject excuse that "they were more EMOTIONAL, they didn't CARE about playing the correct notes".We could only imagine that if it were swapped around, with modern performers playing incorrect notes and older ones being perfect, that people such as norseposter would ride that fact in every single post he made. Such that "They cannot even play the CORRECT NOTES" would be one of his slogans along with the before metioned "HORIZONTAL, LEGATO" etc, using it as another justification for his idea of lowering IQ levels causing a lack of musical worthiness.
Embarrassing drivel above me
>>129226004>Mozart solo pianoNot listening!
Chopin is like the Darwin of music. Anything else written either disagrees with Chopinesque style, and so is wrong, or agrees with Chopinesque style, but only expands on it marginally, without its original genius. All you ever have needed and ever will need is Chopin.
>>129227578Yeah norseposter is pretty embarrassing, imagine worshiping performances where they can't even land on the correct notes, solely because they are old and thus must be good lol.
>>129227578Correct.>>129226004Mozart and Chopin, kings of the piano! (unless performed by the modern school)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWf9x9vhpww
>*chair creaks*>"Horowitz can't play octaves—he fakes them.">"deee dummm doooo deee">*violin plays in the background of your most legendary recording*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPy8QoCK_oI
129227588True but he is still only the second biggest loser here after you.
Yeeeeaaaap, they just don't make em like they use to, I tell you what, modern school could NEVER replicate art like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSBeOm2YsGoPure mastery, flawless legato, the piano SINGS, belcanto articulation, cantabile perfection, fantastic phrasing. The old school is just the best.
Now this is how the OLD SCHOOL plays the op. 106 fuguehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pol_68onYC0Complete and total legato, singing melodies, flawlessly countrapuntal, impeccable articulation, emotional sublimity.
We only listen to the OLD MASTERS here on /classical/, the true great performers, like Horowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaAeEB0s4W8Complete magnificence, incomparable playing, singing notes, buttery legato, total control, a ultimate performance for the ages. Legend.
>>129227682>richter>old school
let's get choralhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieWsBIuRwOg&list=OLAK5uy_lD3dg5QLqq_jtxB9iwsrXNr5doGdEIu6I&index=1
>>129227706He came from the old school tradition pasted down from the OLD MASTERS, tradtion pasted down from Neuhaus, and as we all know "born in 19th century = is from the authentic classical tradition".
Yuja Wang mogs most of these old chuds when it comes to playing.
/classical/ has a shitposting problem
>>129227732No matter, his style has little to do with the old school. He plays almost like a modernist.
>>129227769He was a student of the OLD MASTERS and continues their LEGACY and playing to this day, just like we have Liszt's pupils who are the perfect CONTINUATION of Beethoven HIMSELF, you do not understand our grand TRADITIONS of the OLD SCHOOL.
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 8 in C Minor, Op. 13, "Pathétique"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNS2wsE3k-o&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=28start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 9 in E Major, Op. 14 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKaseYJ5OKM&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=31start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 10 in G Major, Op. 14 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP2-lX9BfHo&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=34start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 11 in B-Flat Major, Op. 22https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Syj9xRlmkU&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=36https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA
>>129227580Filtered! It's Mozart at his best, distilled for the piano. Can't imagine not getting that, yeesh...
The Renaud Capucon set of Bach's Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin is finally out!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unZQumBMow0&list=OLAK5uy_mJ-O1Dfj4EIqHCzNGWoWPejWLJ5gpiUS8&index=1>To celebrate his 50th birthday, Renaud Capuçon has recorded Bach’s solo sonatas and partitas, works the French violinist has been familiar with since childhood. These impressive accounts are elegant and thoughtful, his generous tone lit up from within with sufficient vibrato to caress the ear while simultaneously acknowledging current thinking on period performance practice.>Tempi are steady throughout, occasionally leisurely in slow movements, but always persuasive. There’s a generous body to his sound and a tasteful restraint when it comes to decoration. Phrasing is instinctual, his articulation of Bach’s fugal elements a model of clarity, while his sure-footed handling of the various doubles and prestos eschews any sense of virtuosity for virtuosity’s sake. In the mighty chaconne that ends the D minor partitas, Capuçon finds a reflective lightness and intimacy that frequently draws the ear.>Where he engages in dramatics – in the bourrée of the first partita or in the concluding allegro of the second sonata – he digs deep into the strings, producing a beefier sound than Bach might have expected. Nevertheless, the musical cut and thrust is invariably leavened with delicate touches in earnest readings that manage to hit all the right emotional buttons.https://www.theguardian.com/music/2026/jan/22/renaud-capucon-bach-sonatas-partitas-album-review-warmth-restraint-and-reflection
>>129227820>It's Mozart at his best,Boring and uninspired? Mozart saved all his good ideas for the concerto, his solo piano music... sucks!
>>129227788Neuhaus himself was the bridge between the old the new school, not from a direct lineage of the great pianists. It really bears no difference, the playing is all that matters. Richter isn't bad.
For today's opera performance, we listen to Wagner's Gotterdammerung, the final work in his Der Ring des Nibelungen opera cycle, conducted by Bernard Haitink and performed by the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXE2zP07ags&list=OLAK5uy_n3kgVADojyeAY7-h7BoizguILrBl8YIM4&index=2
>>129227838NEUHAUS is a DIRECT pupil of GODOWSKY, he is the AUTHENTIC legacy and CONTINUATION of the classical TRADITION, just as LISZT and his pupils where the AUTHENTIC and TRUE sound of BEETHOVEN.
lol
Anyone wanna join me in #NoDeadMusicians2026? aka only listening to recordings performed by a musician/conductor who's still alive, no more of this outdated crap, we will enjoy contemporary interpretations of the standard classical repertoire.
For the OLD MASTERS, the right notes are OPTIONAL.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qAYv5c6-LcListen to the SINGING of completely wrong notes, the RUBATO of made up rhythms, that is the TRADITION of the GREAT PIANISTS of the PAST.
>>129227939No.
>>129227939Sorry, but Gould is dead, so I cannot commit to this cause. I will attempt to listen to Maltempo more frequently for you though.
>>129228099>MaltempoHe's got a nice, unique Chopin Nocturnes too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQjjNK-335I&list=OLAK5uy_msiiRw4wA_weiAqEFU0PsYoyI_UUDBgro&index=3
>>129228127Normally I'm not one for Chopin, but this was quite nice. When you say unique, what did you find different about his performance over others?
now playingSchumann: Arabesque in C Major, Op. 18https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ApkcM4NjM&list=OLAK5uy_mblzxusgwsG1R12hrpRS-parOlEBp7ixQ&index=2start of Schumann: Kreisleriana, Op. 16https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVCaF3NaDJA&list=OLAK5uy_mblzxusgwsG1R12hrpRS-parOlEBp7ixQ&index=3start of Schumann: Carnaval, Op. 9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYiAGS2lzJY&list=OLAK5uy_mblzxusgwsG1R12hrpRS-parOlEBp7ixQ&index=10https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mblzxusgwsG1R12hrpRS-parOlEBp7ixQ>"Schumann soaked into my life not too fast. It might have been the over intertwining of inner voices... it might have been the broad spectrum of his emotions that needed time to mature and grow within myself... I did not fall in love with him at first sight as I did with Chopin. Processing his music at times felt heavy. It was like a map in which I had to discover the evolvement of my own searching. The inner struggles, the layers of his wandering spirit embedded in his music either subtle or obvious way (with his own marking) brought me deeper into the cave of my own inner world. To understand him and to ultimately empathize with him required integrity and effort. Nevertheless, contrary to this weight, the duality of Florestan and Eusebius and many between them lift off the certain seriousness in my approach to his music. His music evokes the lightness of the existence. Perhaps the distance which enabled him to observe the alter egos within himself is the humor to his music. I learned to love him in time more than any other composers, most firmly, closely and freely to my heart." (Klara Min)
>>129228176Well, Maltempo's interpretations of works are always on the poetic, intelligent side, but I meant the piano tone,>In his own booklet introduction to his latest recording, Maltempo explores the nature of a Chopin tradition, as handed down to us from accounts of the composer’s own playing, his instructions to his students, and then the early recordings made by renowned interpreters such as Cortot and Pugno. ‘What their recordings share is a relatively free or liberal interpretation of elements in the score that are now treated more rigidly. Their application of rubato is more subtle, their pedal technique does not cloud the sound but clarifies melodies and harmonies. They communicate a wide and infinitely varied dynamic range, and a diaphanous warmth of phrasing, without falling into mannerism or “sentimentality”.’>These qualities, therefore, are the guiding lights to his own playing of the Nocturnes. Maltempo has chosen to record them on an 1888 Steinway piano, distinguished by the clarity of articulation which has always been a Steinway hallmark, but bestowing on these quintessential pieces of nocturnal poetry a softer and more rounded palette than we are accustomed to find on modern pianos. These recordings are, in the best possible sense, ‘historically informed’, without being bound either to the barline or to doctrinal notions of a ‘correct’ Chopin performance. They are, instead, as free and as personal, yet as imbued with the inner spirit of the score, as it seems the composer wished to find in his performers.>...Inspired by but not imitating the great masters of the Golden Piano Age, Vincenzo Maltempo presents the Nocturnes as dramatic tone poems with a strong narrative, based on the art of rhetoric and Belcanto. As a means to the expression of his ideas, he found an 1888 Steinway grand with an exceptionally wide dynamic range and singing tone. The result is an enervating and moving journey through these eternal masterpieces!
Scarlattihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8nozIGnWEw&list=OLAK5uy_mKoRZ1DXJ2QgmapR59ufLWjwn61Z8zzuA&index=1
>>129228127Insipid butchering of the piece.
>>129228207Ah, I believe he recorded some Alkan on an Erard as well - which is always preferred over the modern grand piano - I like that he actually cares about such things. Its very disgraceful that pianists play everything from Mozart to Beethoven on modern grand pianos that literally cannot keep up with the compositions because it was written for fortepiano which has a lot more clarity. I'm still warming up to Maltempo after I disliked his Skrjabin 4th, but hes much better than some pianists I've listened to. This nocturne for instance was very good, maybe I'll give his Skrjabin cycle another shot. >>129228238True, it does not SING like Cotot, where are the WRONG NOTES, where is the schmalzy overblown RUBATO, the completely made up RHYTHMS? He should listen to the OLD MASTER to hear how to play piano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qAYv5c6-Lc
If I could go back in time for something classical related, I would go back and make Cortot record Alkan, just so I could laugh my ass off at how many wrong notes are played, and the hilarity of his schmaltzy rubato over Alkan's compositions would sound.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ccNZFWvez4&list=OLAK5uy_kCHvt9d2tCW5hdlcdbFujwj4i3hMTBvQw&index=36
Watching the Premier League on mute while listening to Bartok :)
>>129228364It would have been less embarrassing if you said you were watching tranny porn and listening to Bartok
>>129228349>senileNever disrepect Horowitz like that again.
>>129228364I prefer getting a rawrjob from Timberly while listening to Chopin xD
>>129228302I mean it's not like he's an unimpeachable god, or even an essential pianist, you don't have to like him you don't want to, he just has a couple nice recordings, and a distinctive way of playing, and I definitely look forward to any recordings he releases in the future. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nukaIKc22rg&list=OLAK5uy_kMlzvVSChLKj1Qu-U9Gbd6UhoXnNPmOVg&index=2And this set of Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsodies is particularly nice, especially because his intelligent approach is completely different than the usual virtuoso, jovial dance interpretations from the usual benchmark recordings of Szidon, Campanella, and Cziffra -- a totally valid approach, and I love the Szidon and Campanella sets, don't get me wrong, but I like that Maltempo's set exists as an alternative (though the Michele Campanella set is still my personal favorite). If you're bored and got some time, here they are for comparison,Szidonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29b1Ds__PlQ&list=OLAK5uy_mO_345bhXAcbfky9Puy_gi6tZTjSwPnQo&index=2Campanellahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eW5A8mVsJM&list=OLAK5uy_mTyhLEntOUyy6LmhrtODuyW2UkRRYauGk&index=2Great, but let's just say Maltempo's is the only one suitable for falling asleep to, lol.
>>129228364:Onice. I'm gonna guess either the Miraculous Mandarin, Concerto for Orchestra, or the piano concertos -- anything else while watching sports would be crazy.
>>129228380horowitz was worth something in his younger days, you were born senile and deaf.
>>129228441Horowitz disgraced himself as a drugged up drunk buffoon, and even when he wasn't a doing that, his playing was mediocre with faked octaves. I'm sorry you never noticed, must be deaf and senile.
>>129228476>his playing was mediocreImagine being not only this deaf, but also contradicting your previous statements just for le banter. You're a literal stinking caca that should've been aborted.
now playingstart of Grieg: Piano Concerto in A Minor, Op. 16https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTGYupGbnzs&list=OLAK5uy_mO68aRX7MnyVtIKFqd0-0-start of Grieg: Lyric Pieces (selection)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLAuP8U2xNo&list=OLAK5uy_mO68aRX7MnyVtIKFqd0-0-OPEk6Zhm-Sw&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mO68aRX7MnyVtIKFqd0-0-OPEk6Zhm-Sw>Celebrated Spanish pianist Javier Perianes joins forces with the BBC Symphony Orchestra under Sakari Oramo for a performance of one of Grieg's most popular works. Composed when he was just 24, Grieg's Piano Concerto combines elements of the Romantic style with motifs typically found in Norwegian folk music. Grieg felt more comfortable writing in miniature forms and in 35 years, produced no fewer than 66 Lyric Pieces - every one a gem. The Piano Concerto is paired here with selections from that collection, including the popular March of the Trolls, the poetic Homesickness and his final lyric piece, Remembrances.>this one, featuring this musically sensitive and technically elegant Spanish pianist, stands out. Joined by Mr. Oramo, who draws rich, textured playing from the BBC Symphony Orchestra, Mr. Perianes gives a spacious, fresh and personal account of this timeless piece.--The New York Times>in the hands of Perianes and the BBC Symphony under Sakari Oramo takes on a kind of gentle charm...this is a cornerstone Grieg recording for the 2010s. --AllMusicI haven't listened to Grieg's incredible Piano Concerto in ages. It's one of the pieces that was instrumental for initially getting me into classical. Love the performers and program/tracklist here, highly recommended!
Missa Solemnis's Sanctus really makes me wish there was a late-Beethoven violin concerto. Would be awesome
>>129228414Honestly I get nothing out of Liszt so I cannot comment fairly on this recording, since I dislike it immensely. However to my ears Szidon hits the strings too hard, Maltempo has better control and I preferred him. The Campanella is unavailable to me. I actually think Maltempo might be very good, and its why I said I would stick with him and listen to him some more. His technique is very good, and probably I just need to learn his language or what he wants to propose in music.
Anyone here familiar with Frederic Mompou? Particularly his piano cycle Música Callada (1959/67).from ClassicsToday/Hurwitz,>Federico Mompou’s Musica Callada (Music of Silence) consists of 28 pieces grouped into four books, ranging in length from less than a minute to slightly more than four. The works are not, obviously, all that silent, nor do they tax the listener’s patience with endless repetition or static colors and harmonies. In fact, there’s quite a bit of variety here, but it takes place within the framework of a certain exquisite simplicity of utterance that’s very special, and very beautiful. The most noteworthy aspect of the music is its harmonic range, running from the highly dissonant to the most folk-like, even primitive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjy5TjR3D1cLooking at some quotes and descriptions, it looks like he's one of those minimalism guys that was popular in the mid-20th century, so I don't have high hopes, but meh, could be interesting and worthwhile. quotes like>“Mompou is evoking in music the silence…and the silence is music.” >Pianist Stephen Hough writes beautifully about the elusive nature and paradoxes of Mompou’s music ->“The music of Federico Mompou is the music of evaporation…the composer's muse begins and ends with innocence as a search for air beyond the smoke of experience.eegh, you know the music is pretentious when you got quotes like that, but hey, Stephen Hough is the man, so if he likes it, again, it's surely worth at least trying some of Mompou's music.
>>129228538>Imagine being not only this deaf,Ah yes, the OLD MASTER who put out fine performances such as this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaAeEB0s4W8 perhaps this is what you mean by the SINGING QUALITY of the OLD TRADITIONS.
>>129228428You got it, The Miraculous Mandarin with Boulez and the NYP. Orchestral works do seem to work better with sports than, say, chamber pieces or solo instrument works.
>>129228690nice. that's a fiery, spirited combo. I imagine Stravinsky's ballets would work similarly well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nw678fQ4dI
buh-LEENY!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVH384MrO7c
>>129228611>The music of Federico Mompou is the music of evaporation. The printed page seems to have faded, as if the bar lines, time signatures, key signatures, and even the notes themselves have disappeared over a timeless number of years. There is no development of material, little counterpoint, no drama nor climaxes to speak of; and this simplicity of expression--elusive, evasive and shy--is strangely disarming. There is nowhere for the sophisticate to hide with Mompou. We are in a glasshouse, and the resulting transparency is unnerving, for it creates a reflection in which our face and soul can be seen.>...>There are numerous influences discernible in Mompou's music--Chopin, Debussy, Ravel and Scriabin, plainsong, folk music and jazz (its harmonies rather than its rhythms)--and he was accepted by his contemporaries in Paris, Les Six, as a sort of honorary member (making an unofficial `baker's half-dozen'). But his principal and fundamental stylistic ancestor, along with a whole generation of French composers, was the eccentric iconoclast Erik Satie. In spite of Mompou's enormous debt to Satie in so many formal and musical ways, however, the two composers are poles apart in their personalities and spiritual vision. Where Satie used naivety or childishness to mock the pretentions and pomposity of adulthood, Mompou rather took the insights of maturity to rediscover the magic of childhood. Satie's smile has a knowing look, his eyes narrowing into cynicism; Mompou's eyes are wide open, sparkling like a child's, and his smile has all the surprise and enthralment of Creation itself.actually sounds p. interestinghttps://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA66963
>>129225925Attended a performance of John Williams Concerto for Piano and Orchestra yesterday. I liked the second movement the most, it's so gentle. Overall full of life, I couldn't believe he's 92 when he composed this piece. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhngocXod2s
Schoenberghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR0VCnQks7M&list=OLAK5uy_k14gw7GNjWnTwsVTVGgw-bq8AbbpqwJMU&index=1
>>129228901Good shout, didn't know he had a piano concerto.
>>129228990> didn't know he had a piano concertoWell, he wrote in 2025 so that's understandable.
>>129226004that cycle has my favorite recording of Sonata 12
>>129229022One of the most exciting and creative contemporary pianists imo
Didn't know Zimerman was a humchad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQn34klqSQI
>>129228558>GriegListening!
>>129226505>The study shows a clear decrease of the mean vibrato rate during the last century (-1.8±0.3 Hz/century), together with an increase of vibrato extent (56.4±0.3cent/century). Vibrato rate and extent show a statistically significant negative correlation (r=-0.62). Vibrato rate increase near the end of the tone has been observed too, in agreement with previous measurements, together with a mean increase of the pitch of the tone.wtf?This is eye-opening.
Jesus fucking christ why is Medtner so good?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80IW8vYTz3I&list=OLAK5uy_n2O4Ol3gE-D5FunYVQLcARB_MX6-Lhz6g
oh how I hope Mozart's piano concertos sound good to me someday
>>129230305ok earlet
now playingChopin: Mazurka in B Major, Op. 63 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek0_9_vBTIQ&list=OLAK5uy_lZXT0teVPeEl5UivxctbwTsRlopaZg9-w&index=2start of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwP3vOrLB1E&list=OLAK5uy_lZXT0teVPeEl5UivxctbwTsRlopaZg9-w&index=3Chopin: Mazurka in F Minor, Op. 63 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCnUv8dP1YE&list=OLAK5uy_lZXT0teVPeEl5UivxctbwTsRlopaZg9-w&index=7start of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 3 in B Minor, Op. 58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsGKybcU0A4&list=OLAK5uy_lZXT0teVPeEl5UivxctbwTsRlopaZg9-w&index=8Chopin: Mazurka in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 63 No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftSiEn7AZ1k&list=OLAK5uy_lZXT0teVPeEl5UivxctbwTsRlopaZg9-w&index=11https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lZXT0teVPeEl5UivxctbwTsRlopaZg9-w>Beyond the celebrated Funeral March, Chopin's Second and Third Sonatas testify to their composer's astounding ease in musical structures on a much larger scale than waltzes, nocturnes and mazurkas. The three mazurkas that make up his Op.63 are cunningly used here to frame Javier Perianes's latest musical project. Whether in small or large forms, the most famous of all Romantic piano composers was an absolute master of musical dramaturgy.
Monteverdihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVyOiUJ5os&list=OLAK5uy_mqcjMeh1fmTodmFb-A28emohgxNqAlcr8&index=6
>>129230527I love that recording to death.
I'm looking at this conductor's discography and there's Schubert's 7th and 8th -- except the 7th is the "Unfinished" 8th and the 8th is the 9th, what is going on, is this some new historical accuracy thing?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vOtv-_o64Q&list=OLAK5uy_mHQzU-nfYlpetz_D7ghyYWWLOt6w_N5D8&index=1
>>129230215Despite others labeling Medtner as "tuneless" his shorter pieces like this are guided heavily by the so-called "cantabile" melodic writing that some people here are obsessed with (yet would never mention for Medtner - because he is too complex for them to realize - unlike the simple and loud Rachmaninoff and Chopin), after all, he wrote over 100 songs. Yet eventually - no matter the piece, the motivic and polyrhythmic side of him comes out, even from the very beginning of his Op.1 that you posted. It is this counterbalance that is the whirlwind that keeps those of poor concentration and shallow mind separated from his music, yet in return for those willing to bear its force, it offers so much return value where beautiful melodic ideas once played before are flowered in new outfits, and so often what once sounded like a new phrase, turns out to actually have been the same idea in rhythmic manner. >An early and frequently quoted example of Medtnerian polyrhythm is found in the E major Prologue from the Stimmungsbilder, Op. 1 (1901).59 Its 4/4 time is continuously subdivided in triplets of minims which represent the principal melody, supported by a heterophonic unison of 3+3+2 quavers in the tenor voice. Figurations of quavers in the left hand, and of quaver triplets in the right hand’s upper voice, produce units of twelve ternary quavers per measure, simultaneously fractured in groups of six, four, and three notes.His gifts for rhythm are of the highest excellence there is, yet always tempered by his unending commitment to the "Song", which in his book he harps on about over and over again to such a degree it can only be called obsession. These two aspects are then finalized and cut into an idealized shape through the Beethovenian structure that he crafts his music with, as through small limited motifs he ensures a union and cohesion to the works, while others in the romantic era craft only through flippancy and whimsy to achieve shallow gestures.
>>129230858No problem Chopin/Rach/Schuman slopper.>Apart from the Three Russian Songs, the kinds of work Rachmaninoff chose to write in exile are, without exception, international in appeal: a concerto, two sets of variations, two symphonic works, and some piano transcriptions, mostly of works by Austro-German composers who, at least in his Russian years, would have seemed very unlikely candidates for Rachmaninoff to choose - Bach, Kreisler, Mendelssohn, Schubert. It is significantly unlike the vast majority of his Russian works.>The uncompromising Medtner in private put the matter more bluntly: 'He prostituted himself for the dollar;'. But then the high priest guarding the sacred flame was bound to see Rachmaninoff's withdrawal from composition and his temporal success as no venial sin.
>>129230884 Whoops meant to reply to >>129226505
Should I be avoiding HIP recordings?
>>129227307One of the first sentences in Hegels Phenomenology is about how things aren't simply wrong or right
>>129230892We prefer those here. Fortepianos are superior to grand muddy pianos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmFJl5F05wY&list=PLxV6VwFCe969lLGWQDkrPsdkjCUWKGdq3
>>129231017>>129230992>>129230940>>129230925>>129230901Just another norseposter melty
Modern high culture is as much a set of footnotes to Wagner as Western philosophy is, in Whitehead’s judgement, footnotes to Plato.
>>129231215>Modern high culture is as much a set of footnotes to WagnerModern high culture and art is pic related, which I do agree is indeed probably a set of footnotes to Fagner.
Is it just me or is Purcell completely worthless? I’ve yet to hear a single passage of music from him that isn’t the most trite unlistenable shit. I’m English too so it’s not a cultural resentment, though his music sounds like the worst of English snobbery and emotional superficiality.His aria “When I am laid in earth” from the opera Dido & Aeneas is supposed to be a baroque masterpiece but every recording I’ve heard so far makes me want to throw up with how sickly and stupid it is.Please prove me wrong.
>>129231502I can listen to decadent baroque compositions written for castrati just fine, I just find Purcell to be anemic.
>When I am laid in earth” from the opera Dido & AeneasBeloved here, the greatest of aria. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OeflJ71x8M
>>129231563Heard that one can’t stand it. Just found this one and I do like it though. But it’s Kirsten Flagstad whom I already worship anyway.https://youtu.be/HkAob673Qx8
>English singingDeeply unmusical language.
>>129231602>hates Germanic languageBased, fuck Fagner and his shitty operaslop.
>>129231601>Heard that one can’t stand it. >Just found this one it’s Kirsten FlagstadDisgusting romanticlownery. Dreadful and tasteless, like you. You are not an Englishman, you are a disease.
>>129231648>The name Fagner is of German origin, derived from the Old High German word "fagan," which means "joyful" or "happy." It is often considered a variant of the name Wagner, which itself originated as an occupational surname for a wagon maker or cartwright.kek
>>129231674Fagner the wagon maker bringing you his cart full of operaslop ware no one wants to hear.
>>129230892no, unless they are SO HIP they insist on playing on a fortepiano over a modern piano or something else retarded like that. generally speaking HIP-lite recordings can be great
Most tear-jerking Tchaikovsky's Pathetique recording?
>>129230892you try both styles and determine which you like more. This of course can vary depending on the form/genre too
who is posterposter and why does he dislikes the other guy?
a new spambaby has arrived I see
>>129231826Maybe Ormandyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF4l37uO1-4
>>129231838why do you carejust let them piss themselves and ignore them
>>129231847>why do you careits sunday and I have nothing better to do, a bit of /classical/ lore would be fun, its funny how everywhere you go on this website theres crap like this, no wonder its dying>>129231849hi sloppersister
A friendly reminder, I have not posted here for 2+ hours, anything that happened, wasn't me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lep0rN5kgxc
>gets all his posted deleted and banned for the same spam he always does>I was never here guyslol
>>129231977>seething this hard at being outtedkekkaroni. Keep replying to yourself until everyone leaves /classical/, good job!
Indulging in some operaslop, of a higher quality and more noble nature than the usual posted around here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYiqo_LlrnI&list=OLAK5uy_njvYZOVS3Ug_xwqDs6d4CZDUD9j1DKCwA
>>129232124>angloslopConfirmed garbage.
>>129232136What have you Fingolians managed to create besides mongoloid mongrels larping as European?
The only thing more shaming than having Purcell as your sole well known composer would be to have Sibelius.
>>129231491I don't know what the reason could be but literature is England's chief art form whereas for Germany it has been music.
>>129232176Bait used to be believable.
>>129232202>Bait used to be believable.
>129232176(you)
>>129232160Finns are unpleasant cretins, but the anglo who's worth a damn (the D) lives there, that tells us everything there is to know actually.
>>129232213Please don't hack my webcam :(
>>129232222Holy digits, who's this D?
>>129232213Sibelius was one of the greatest symphonists, on par with Mahler and Beethoven. what the fuck has Purcell done to even make him comparable?
>>129232241Dutton
>>129232160>mongoloid mongrels larping as Europeanbut enough about Russians
>>129232222Dutton was cast out of England for his terrible midwittery and embarrassing Spengler cosplaying. >>129232199Britain was focused on things like world domination while Germans were still eating raw pork and ruining music through Fagnerian diarrhea.
>>129232275seethe.
>>129232275thanks imbecile
>>129232246>>129232246>Sibelius was one of the greatest symphonists, on par with Mahler and BeethovenI wonder who could be behind this post
>>129232302I wonder where this schizo imbecile got the idea that I'm finnish
>>129232287>MMMMM another heaping of uncooked pig and for dessert: 8 hours of chromatic sludge and incoherent word salad please!
>>129232302a Kraut.
>>129232176No, we have Tallis, Byrd, Handel (kinda), Ralph Vaughan Williams. These are good. I also really like John Tavener.
>>129232331Garbage. Too early. German. Decent at best.
>>129232331the only good English composers were either Catholic or imported. RVW is utter trite.
>>129232331Yeah but none of those are well known except Handel, and Handel isn't really English.>>129232344Thank you romanticlown.
>>129232275Wagner is goodworld domination is bad
>>129232344Holst, Elgar
>>129232363Joke. The only good anglo.
>>129232362Fagner is a a disease.Anglo world domination is good.
>>129232372thank you imbecile
>>129232344>decent at besthttps://youtu.be/_KVUnYij9tQ?si=_72QgpH_4Mzc5eZA
>>129232322>chromatic sludgeyou say that like it's a bad thing.now playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEwAyfkHKu8
>>129232353>RVW is utter trite (sic)See >>129232404
>>129232372nope
The real 3 B'sBrucknerBergBoulez
>>129232420based
>>129232344>too earlyimmediately discredits anything you will ever say until the day you die
>>129232384>t. forced to speak English like the ESL dog he isGermany is a footnote in history compared to Britannia and Fagner was a disease that killed music. Even if you don't believe it was Fagner (it was), then the only other option was the SVS school, which was also German. Then on top of that Germans killed European power in its entirety through the world wars.
>>129232428Only of those has destroyed europe.
>>129232428SVS is good too. stop embarassing yourself
>>129232428America overtook Europe as the world's policeman. the feuds between Britain and the mainland are just a sidenote. anyway, can we please go back to talking about music?
>>129230816Interesting, I will definitely try to pay more attention to the rhythm when listening to it, I tend to pay attention only to the harmony and overall gestures of the music
>>129230892Its hit or miss. I'd recommend just listening to the pieces in traditional performance first and only checking out HIP when you want to switch things up. You gotta keep in mind that it often isn't as historically accurate as they claim and in my expierence feels more often like an excuse to hire less musicians for a performance. I especially dislike it for choral music, the bigger the choir the better is what I think.
>>129232441Don't forget Germans also killed Rome. The only thing they know how to do is destroy and ruin everything.>>129232449Heard my sister humming some 12 tone rows from Webern while brushing her hair this morning.
>>129230816I always have a hard time getting into solo piano. But I really love his second and second concerto. Does the same apply to those works as well?
>>129232450>AmericaA British colony, part of the commonwealth that participated in putting down the German dogs in their las greatest effort to destroy Europe (unfortunately they succeeded).
>>129232462Anime chuds are not heard here
>>129232468if anything, the Germans put Rome out of its misery in the 470's and proved to be better administrators.
>>129232468good for your sister
>>129232482why don't you have the same hatred towards France and Spain?
>>129232468I don't think you can blame Hitler for trying. Luther did nothing wrong. But it's best that Germans keep to art.
If you are a chud, you will never understand classical. Primitive nazi ape brains can never comprehend it.
>>129232527based
>>129232527>implying Wagner wasn't a chud.
>>129232489>collapsed everything in the western half and lead to a thousand years of shitting their pants until Italians bailed them out with the renaissance >proved to be better administrators>>129232506>FranceTheir greatest crime was the French revolution, which killed Europe and gave us the worst curse of all: democracy. If not for that we would call them our equal (almost). >SpainWho? Those guys we btfo with ease? Lol.
>>129232555France basically owned England at one point. how is that even comparable?
>>129232555oh you are a literal fascists lmao
>>129232555classical civilization had to die for history to progress.
>>129232506>>129232555Actually that was mean to Spain,we will say Spain is very respectable for saving us all from the Moors, because the useless G*rman catholic church would rather kill all of Europe (again) than do anything to actually further European causes. England>Italy>French>Spain>shit>Pooland>garbage>G*rmans>>129232601If it was not for the French Revolution, we would admit France is a great country worthy of much respect, unfortunately they decided to kill Europe along with the G*ermans.>>129232605England lives, and marches on!
>>129232624>classical civilization had to die for us to shit our pants for 1000 years and then only progress when we started to emulate classical civilization againBet you probably think classical music had to die for music to progress, hows that working out so far lass? All I see around us is garbage.
>>129232644I'm not sure what this has to do with classical, Ranjesh. perhaps try /int/ instead?
>>129232669why do the English love to suck Italian cock? I don't get it.
>>129232683Greatness recognizes greatness.
>Our Music he shall not thus deal with; for still it is the living god within our bosom. Let us guard it therefore, and ward off all profaning hands. For us it shall become no "literature"; in it resides our final hope of life itself.>There is something special in our German Music, ay, something divine. It makes its acolytes all martyrs, and instructs by them the heathen. What else is Music to all other culture-nations, since the decaying of the Church, than an accompaniment to dance or vocal virtuosity? We alone know "Music" as herself, and to us she gives the power of all regeneration and new-birth; but only while we hold her holy.
>>129232699>t. hasn't met an actual Italian.
>In the evening he reads aloud his favorite scene between Falstaff and the Lord Chief Justice, and then he plays us parts of the last movement of [Opus] 111 and the whole first movement of 101 (A Major), to our enchantment; we all agree with him when he passionately declares that with these works Beethoven opened up a whole new world, all of it melody, conjuring up figures no eye could see. “But music is finished,” he exclaims sorrowfully, “and I don’t know whether my dramatic explosions can postpone the end. It has lasted only a very short time. Yet these things have nothing to do with time and space.” He recalls how in times of deepest trouble the German people discovered this refuge, this other world.
>>129232709>t. uncultured swine that doesn't even know what Etruscan is, nor Minoan, nor any of actual history that lead to the great Classical civilizations
>>129232353Holst is the most influential classical composer of all time simply because of how many movie soundtracks copy Mars. Also his wind band suites are excellent, much better than Vaughan Williams' feeble attempt.
>>129232736>t. peasant who fell for the "start with the gayreeks" meme.you should have started with the Mesopotamians, skipped the Graeco-Romans, and ended with the Germanics but I'm afraid it's too late for you.
>>129232756Holst is utter kinoI would even put Grainger up there
>>129232756ah yes, Gustav Von Holst. totally not a Prussian import.
>>129232782We start with the Greeks and end with the Greeks here. The Germanics were a complete embarrassment to this world in every regard besides music, and even then they decided to kill that 2000+ year old tradition as well.
>>129232818if you can't even speak Aramaic, lower your voice when speaking to me.
>>129232782based for starting with the Mesopotamians but utterly retarded for shopping the graeco-romans
Philosophy? Killed by G*rmanic modernism.Music? Killed by G*rmanic modernism.Painting? Killed by G*rmanic modernism.Literature? Killed by G*rmanic modernism.Architecture? Killed by G*rmanic modernism.Politics? Killed by G*rmanic modernism.Fagner/SVS.Die BrückeFrankfurt school.Bauhaus.G*rmans are the worst and most evil force in the entire world.
>>129232845from the ancient Egyptian and Levantine point of view the Greeks were barbarians and raiders from the north, which is why I find it so comical when Graeco-Romans turn around and say the same thing about Gauls, Germans, and Britons.
>>129232927>from the ancient Egyptian and Levantine point of view the Greeks were barbarians and raiders from the northFrom the point of view of any civilization every group outside their own were barbarian (literally just means foreigner btw) and raiders. You are a complete contrarian midwit who has never read anything at all beside pop science and reddit posts.
>>129232831Thank you for the shitty larp pop science lover.
>>129232958where do you think the word Philistine comes from, dumb fuck? ever heard of a guy called Goliath?
>>129232986Non-sequitur inane ramblings from a reddit post regurgitator neck deep in Jewish desert fairy tales.
>>129233012Graeco-Roman culture is fucking gay and Protestants are completely justified in skipping over it.
>>129233047Thank you retard.
>>129232905>Painting? Killed by G*rmanic modernism.>Literature? Killed by G*rmanic modernism.Nah, that would be the French. Germans didn't exert much of an influence on the genesis of modernist literature and painting.
>>129233047But Protestants didn't skip over it. Luther and Milton greatly admired Plato.
>>129233082awfully amusing.
>>129233089Ok thats fair, although G*rmans did help. Honestly I was trying to think if Britain had killed anything, but even the analyst philosophy could be considered healthy compared to what the G*rmans inflicted on the world.
>>129233103for the same reason people admire cherry trees.
>>129233161weebs
>>129233161Incoherent post.
>>129233128>Honestly I was trying to think if Britain had killed anything, but even the analyst philosophy could be considered healthy compared to what the G*rmans inflicted on the world.I don't know, the mytho-poetic worldviews of Heidegger and Jung might seem vague and irrational to us Anglos but at least it has soul.
>>129233170https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking
>>129233161Is this a Zen koan?
>>129233182is English your first language?
>>129233177There's an endless number of examples. No cherrypicking involved.
now playingstart of Kurt Atterberg: Symphony No. 1 in B Minor, Op. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3f12JoFflA&list=OLAK5uy_nq4Uy5s6091XtKjdlotecXvjHW7kAVRPM&index=2start of Kurt Atterberg: Symphony No. 4 in G Minor, Op. 14 "Sinfonia piccola"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BMZP4Vml2U&list=OLAK5uy_nq4Uy5s6091XtKjdlotecXvjHW7kAVRPM&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nq4Uy5s6091XtKjdlotecXvjHW7kAVRPM
>>129232472>Does the same apply to those works as well?Yes, what I gave was a general overview of Medtner's style that are unmistaken and a part of all his compositions. When Rachinmanoff dedicated his fourth concerto to Medtner, he even included a nod to Medtner's peculiar rhythms and harmonies in the original version, which I will link below. Unfortunately this concerto did not sell well enough for Rachmanioff, so he took those moments out in the hopes to garner more fame and cash, which didn't really work out as his fourth is still not a popular piece, and his revisions made the piece much worse. https://youtu.be/2MwY03hBHqo?t=1633Also since you are incapable of listening to solo piano; if you have not already, please listen to his Quintet, its an incredible piece that most don't know about. I prefer it over Brahms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWsJcwo5ZfY
>>129233177>Admiring cherry trees = cherry pickingYou are a complete moron and write incoherent babble.
>>129233173I was referring more to Critical Theory, Hegelianism, and garbage like Nietzche. Of which lead to the worst cancerous ideologies imaginable.
>there are people in this general who haven't read at least 80% of all surviving Greek and Roman literature
In the memoirs of a pianist, composer, public figure, and the creator of the Russian Conservatory in Paris, Vladimir Pohl (1875-1962), there is a curious episode, which allows his contemporaries to recognize Medtner’s attitude towards the musical talent of Richard Wagner. In his letter to Nikolai Medtner, Pohl cited Wagner’s words, found in the journals of his French muse of the Parsifal period – the talented poetess, novelist, and translator, Judith Gautier. After being asked by Mme. Gautier to review the score she had received from a young fashionable avant-garde composer, Wagner replied, “Sometimes I think how much music exists in the world, and how small is the number of musicians I could appreciate because of a few compositions, containing all that I call music... Even the audacities of orchestration, you are telling me about, upset me. In all these young people’ beginnings I see nothing besides daring in orchestration or harmony, though never in melody” [18, p.318]. Nikolai Medtner could very well subscribe under this Wagnerian confession. Thanking his correspondence for the shared quotations – not only by Richard Wagner, but also by Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov, – Medtner added his own comment, “...It is extremely valuable that such advanced masters, with all the munition of orchestration in their power, have awarded the greatest importance to the melody – the soul of music, without which all the rest of the flesh has no value” [18, p.104].
>>129233637not sure what this has to do with /classical/, try posting on >>>/lit/?
>>129230892The HIP crowd generally doesn't know what they are doing so don't go in expecting anything historically accurate. Modern instruments are superior for a reason
