GG no re edishhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuY20YN6F4k&t=3sThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenprev: >>129323675
>Gould Loved and respected here.
Now listeningThe Five Greatest Bach Organistshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0bgxQ27ah8
>>129336186Dave turned gay to finally have sex for the first time in his life, but not even homosexuals are willing to touch that disgusting freak.
yo /classical/, you usually find me in the soundcloud threads but im working on a rap that references classical music and is set to beethovens 5th. If you got any good classical rhymes then lay em on meheres what I got so farthe way she handel dick, call her messiah (yuh)eat that shit out like its papayathe way she moves, she's my snackpull it out and skeet on her bach (yuh)
>>129336154>>129336164Based
For today's opera performance, we listen to Wagner's Die Walkure conducted by Daniel Barenboimopeninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LksP9FYbFVI&list=OLAK5uy_neMKoQp_muhwSa2cAYvTGeKsSoYoYLC4o&index=2random vocal movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckn66yvQlC0&list=OLAK5uy_neMKoQp_muhwSa2cAYvTGeKsSoYoYLC4o&index=1
>>129336154GG no re[peats]
timbre matters
>>129336201When your girl is with you she listens to MozartWhen she's me she listens to Gluck (Gluck Gluck)
>>129336201I will crack your skull open with a brick and grind your bones into fertilizer.
>>129336220This isn't horrorcore mate
>>129336226as a proud descendent of plantation owners I find your post to be very culturally insensitive.
>>129336154I love this guy cause he does whatever the fuck he wants (well) and makes majority of People seethe.
>>129336154How did he get the nickname "Theodore Slutz"?
The Apex of Art.The Brightest of Baritones.The Caster of Comfort.The Dionysus of Delusions.The Elater of Ecstasy.The Forth-Bringer of Fantastic-Fantasies.The Grandest of Giants.The Height of Heroism.The Inventor of Ideas.The Juggler of Jubilation.The Knight of Knowledge.The Love of Listeners.The Master of Music.The Nirvana of Nobles.The Oasis of Optimists.The Poisoner of Peons.The Quester of Quixotic.The Rattler of Romance.The Symbol of Serenity.The Tactful of Tranquility.The Up-lifter of Unbeaten.The Visionary of Vibrance.The W.The X-Factor of Xenophiles.The Yay of Youths.The Zing of Zion.Wagner.
>>129336213Sublime.>>129336297What's your favorite recording(s) of Die Walkure?
>>129336297Mahler is the tamed Wagner.Wagner is too wild, too beastly, his leitmotifs alone does not satisfy a certain taste of symmetry and balance. Mahler is all that Wagner was, but with the right dose of the Apollonian to tame the theatrical beast within. He is the culmination of music, the real Gesamtkunstwerk, the greatest Austro-German, if not the greatest man who walked the earth.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmRmPzbwSe4&list=OLAK5uy_nzlkQANoVECOaf3rN9g4wv90dBNSR2tvc&index=1
What is your favorite completion of Mozart's Requiem? Do you think Süszmayr did as good a job one could have done, or is there another completion you like better?
When there's a piano concert and someone coughs, that's a jew. They never cough when a jew is playing. Everyone else? HACK HACK HACK, they fucking do it on purpose. They cough during the best parts, every fucking time. I can't believe they stoop so low.
Anyways, more Feinberg. 9 is a large shift in vocabulary, much more tonal. Still not without his slithering menace and violence though. I think this and his 4th are my favorite so far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHo6-DN5X6c
>>129336312your brain on /pol/
Does Glenn have any recordings worth listening to that aren't Bach?
>>129336335The second movement of Appassionata is a real thriller, highly recommended by all Gould ghouls.
>>129336335check out his Sibelius recordings.
>>129336308peephttps://theclassicreview.com/beginners-guides/mozart-requiem-a-beginners-guide/and from this article, I like the one used by Solti or Harnoncourt.
>>129336326I see through your games. How many tickets did you buy just to go there and cough? Repent
>>129336349>>129336312jej
>>129336335Glenn only sang while playing because he couldn't cough
>>129336335https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_104zS6pDoQand his Hindemith. Some say his Beethoven (sonatas + piano concertos). His Brahms.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az9c8Skylhk
>>129336335https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8c1sAmMy7M
>>129336335SchoenbergWebernBergGibbons
>>129336362noice.
now playingAlfven: Festspel, Op. 25https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoSvCIBBcr8&list=OLAK5uy_lbCljxcR02-PSfXjeePHv1rGu7jiTc3bc&index=2start of Alfven: Bergakungen, Op. 37, R. 99https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsWTv70RGks&list=OLAK5uy_lbCljxcR02-PSfXjeePHv1rGu7jiTc3bc&index=3Alfven: Upsalarapsodi, Op. 24 "Swedish Rhapsody No. 2"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkwnyzQWQdc&list=OLAK5uy_lbCljxcR02-PSfXjeePHv1rGu7jiTc3bc&index=7start of Alfven: Symphony No. 1 in F Minor, Op. 7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIpAo94MG2k&list=OLAK5uy_lbCljxcR02-PSfXjeePHv1rGu7jiTc3bc&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lbCljxcR02-PSfXjeePHv1rGu7jiTc3bc>Swedish composer Hugo Alfvén’s lush and expressive Symphony No. 1, paired with his Festival Overture and Mountain King, receives a commanding interpretation from conductor Niklas Willén and the Royal Scottish National Orchestra. This recording highlights Alfvén’s Nordic romanticism, folk influences, and grand orchestration.
Yulia Berinskaya's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV44LcpqxS0&list=OLAK5uy_ngJgjFsx7LXRMJsJxwYbggYW4J-ArMRPY&index=22
>>129336362He did the best Haydn
>>129336312
Is Hilary Hahn decent or should I skip her recordings
>>129336569Pretty good, not transcendent as some claim. I'd say it's worth giving her a try. None of her recordings rank among my favorites for the piece, but they're mostly good, and who knows, you might love her approach and performances.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9Asw9Og0qg&list=OLAK5uy_mHWYoHxswxCgnF-g4AIPaGzqkQ1CNkq9E&index=1
>>129336569>>129336625Bald.
>>129336213modern Die Walkure
>>129336633???
Why did elitists hate him?
>>129336569>>129336625This recording is actually wonderful.and then alsohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai8NiHI1-eo&list=OLAK5uy_mKE2Y9gDh1lLAGra39C0CUAX6_A8M5o34&index=12
>>129336642Same reason as Glenny G: they hate him cus they aint him.
https://open.spotify.com/album/2NhE2dSSUEEH4oAOVMCFaH
>>129336642I really doubt they do, his voice is golden. His pop music isn't on the level of the serious stuff he did but that isn't reason to dismiss him.
>>129336569She's like a sharper, less charismatic Heifetz
For me, it's Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 26, "Les Adieux"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=888J5vILVU8
>>129336642His singing is strained and metronomic.
>Germans actually fell for the H note being a real thing for like 300 years
speaking of male opera singers, is Placido Domingo worthy of his stature? or overhyped? in between? he features on a lot of famous, first-choice recordings
>>129336655Why modern bach recordings have the weirdest covers, fuck is a deer in a parking garage supposed convey in relation to a series of baroque concertos? It feels like labels have just given up on cover design and put anything on a jewel case and sell it even if its literal human fecal matter on the street photographed with a smartphone.
>>129336706Not as good as the ones that came before him but mostly pretty alright. Which is kind of a trend with opera singing after the 60s. The younger he was, the better. He had some really stupid recordings later on like that Tristan which he had no business singing.
>>129336709Hyperion's covers for Hamelin are the only consistent source for quality covers that actually take some source of inspiration for what they are dealing with, such as a futurist piece for Busoni.
Bach or Handel?
>>129336655Why do some versions of Brandenburg have IV movements for the 1st concerto and then others have more
>>129336709>fuck is a deer in a parking garage supposed convey in relation to a series of baroque concertos?Must suck having luke warm IQ, the piece features hunting horns all over and deers are one of the biggest game animals. The parking garage is the modernity of the recording so its like a clash of the old world of hunters and the new.
>>129336775>Two of the greatest composers ever>Born barely a month of each otherWould pick Bach over all because his output was greater
>>129336196Say that to Shawn.
>>129336954>obese jewish incest child getting TOPPED by Deshawn >"I HATE THE BAROQUE!!!!"Final proof that Baroque reigns supreme.
>>129336954They sing Porgy and Bessy together.
>>129336877>The parking garage is the modernity of the recording
>>129336642>elitists hate himWho? When? Where?
>>129336701>anglos don't know about the 13th tone
>>129337042Who?
listeninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOT_nUPvE98
Schumann-bros why are we so superior?
>>129336709> fuck is a deer in a parking garage supposed convey in relation to a series of baroque concertos?Bach was a pastoral musician at heart and the Brandenburg Concertos were his grappling with urban civilisation. The stag is the prince of the forest (Bach who’s music is intricately self-involved like a forest).
Behold the absolute supremacy of the French baroque,https://youtu.be/VOiTpFix2Os?si=akq7CEaQi3N8cSAF
Nintendogs Classicshttps://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/nintendogs-chihuahua-friends-nintendo-ds/33.%2520Toy%2520-%2520Combat%2520Copter.mp3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpb2QdGL2e0
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>>129337317Because we have the Rhine.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XncK1yQ1DsE
>>129337355Absolute aesthetic dominance of everybody.https://youtu.be/JXUISPD1fzE?si=sOumV8BmMPQ6Yw8H
This feels as contemporary as ever considering America's current predicament.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSJeCalq7Zs
>>129336877Its one piece out of multiple that has the hunting horns and the rest do not have them. Its like designing a poster around the first scene of a film.
>>129337374That's the most beautiful thing I heard in a while, any more? How do I find more of this?
>>129337524Start with that album>Live performance https://youtu.be/L7CYeHpy1zs?si=YI6f30baGD9jvYhJ>spotify linkhttps://open.spotify.com/album/7LcOTEJjFO8eVBsIPSQWq1?si=zFlmTx8xTImV1Qnvmouj7g
>>129337558Yeah I like the male singing less to be fair, appreciate it though. How is that stuff called, christian chorale music?
>>129337355>best Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque, and Modern era>created the modern piano sound and orchestra with the Impressionists>understood that Wagner was a sunset rather than a dawn>did not go too far with shittonality like the G*rmans didHow do the frogs do it bros?
>>129337558And that music is probably the French version of Monteverdi’s compositions for the Virgin Mary, the Vespro Della Beats Virgine (Vespers 1610)https://youtu.be/RajAq0Yd-s4?si=gRvCxgW7lBBvlNPjhttps://youtu.be/QJIwFO9A1f8?si=qCRBOr8S8VDVuf1bArvo Part more modern version https://youtu.be/vo3HKQZ1d6E?si=hh5teRA9Mz9iDTgChttps://youtu.be/a9Dp95JeX-8?si=dn99twkYCRXKkDgINot to fixate on the religious dimension but the Marian theme does seem to bring out consistent results down the ages. Joaquin des Prez’s Ave Maria is an even earlier examplehttps://youtu.be/LUAgAF4KhmgOther late medieval / renaissancehttps://youtu.be/MmuQ5VDxAo8https://youtu.be/gN_iQQVVZLM?si=X2Qqa_30vQRrTdOK
>>129337574>christian chorale music?sacred choral is the general term, yeah
>>129337614>did not go too far with shittonality like the G*rmans didActually funny Messiaen used it to make proper music while the Germans were treating it as a laboratory experiment
>>129336186Herbert Tachezi
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPScT1_hq9A&list=OLAK5uy_ml5Xr0qB_vc1Gq1atRI1mF6iVd5yx36oA&index=9
Did you guys know that Wagner is literally God? Just making sure we’re all on the same page.
W.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnUIiPkZ3OY
>>129337524the post with the 'choral' sectionhttps://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996/+ search up some names, like Schutz, Tallis, Monteverdi, then you peep the performer, and go through their discography. For example, John Gardiner or Jordi Savall or Herreweghe or Vox Luminas or Tallis Scholars, etc etc
Finally home where I can listen to Mass in B and beat it raw to brown women
>>129338093beat it raw?
Any piano music like the first minute of this prelude? Heroic sounding and rapidly changing keys.>https://youtu.be/n9guMHlHuLo
>>129338217Depends on how new are you? Chopin modulates a lot, especially in the mazurkas, but that is just overkill, almost makes me dizzy
>>129338212charming the snake
>>129338331Think I'm looking more of late-romantic idiom. It's just I'm not terribly familiar with solo piano. I've tried some Medtner works as I like his piano concerto's but not really finding there what I want. Would like to avoid the salon vibe. If found the prelude I posted quite moving. Brian is very fragmentic, unrest-less, rapid shifts. Like it would evoke unevenness but still has moments rests of chords progression that sound heroic or tragic. Anything that comes to mind listening to the first minute of that prelude really.
>>129338399I'm listening to Bortkiewicz second sonata atm and it's a bit more in that style.
>>129338399You're being overly specific ane vague really. You can try this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blv68RnW1YI
>>129338494I know. Thanks for the recommend.
>>129338217Maaybe... Franck's piano music.
Barenboim's ponderous, weighty Wagner does wear on one after a while. Not suitable for everyday listening, despite the fine singers. The search for the ideal Ring continues.
>>129338399What was the issue with Medtner, too dark and broody? Sound like the answer you are looking for otherwise.
>>129338528Downloading, thanks.>>129338700I would say almost too technical and a bit too longwinded? Not a critique, just not what I'm looking for. I have 7 CD's of his solo piano and maybe need to check everything. His early sonata's weren't doing the trick. I just find his concerto's and quintet more emotional. Maybe I just need to check Rach's solo piano.
>>129338723>Maybe I just need to check Rach's solo piano.You do. Etudes tableaux, preludes, moments musicaux and sonata no.2 (not for everyone though) and no.1. However "solo piano music" is almost synonymous with Chopin, if you're not a Chopinfiend you wob't become a true piano connoissuer.
>>129338723>I would say almost too technicalWell I thought you wanted loads of modulatations, although I guess he also comes with a lot of rythmic and textural complexity too. You're going to be fighting a dificult battle trying to find loads of modulations without the rest. >early sonatasHis later ones are going to get slightly more dark and more technical, peaking with Night Wind and Minacciosa, but if you like his Quintet try the Sonata-Idylle:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iA9Oy-DFKoIts a more welcoming and simplier sonata, at least compared to his normally abrasive and complex side.Anyways, I doubt you'll find what you are looking for in Rach, but he is more simplistic than Medtner, more tuneful, but you won't find the "fragmentic, unrest-less, rapid shifts" in him like you will Medtner. So in one sense hes going to not be technical, but he's more related to Schumann and the like. I was going to maybe suggest Godowsky's sonata, but that will be too complex as well. Like I said, you've got a tough set of goals here. >>129338763Ya gotta like the Chopin shilling go Norseposter, he specifically said he wanted to avoid the "salon vibe" and nothing hes looking for relates to Chopin. Also at least tell people you are cutting into a conversation.
Real question: why do composers just don't tell what they are doing instead of us having to rely on people analyzing it? Or even they don't exactly know what they are doing and it can be interpreted in many ways anyway?
>>129339135Why don't authors include a postscript in their novels where they explain which characters are supposed to be the good guys and which ones are the bad guys, and what the blue curtains symbolize?
>>129339135some do
This Havergal Brian character has some interesting music though,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBnu-cKeeXAReminds me a bit of how Skrjabin tip tops around the modernist and romantic idioms with complete freedom. Was he ignored just because he's British?Guy asked for a rec, but I think I got one instead of giving him anything lmao. >>129339135What I don't get is why people label works with forms that it doesn't even contain, like Ives and his Concord """""""sonata"""""".>>129338874>Ya gotta like thegotta *let* the
>>129339135Depends on what you mean specifically, but composers can't write everything in the score. Composers starting from Beethoven were more obsessive with dynamic markings and notation. Many of them have commented on how this and that should be interpreted (e.g. Beethoven's comment regarding metronome markings, Mozart on adagios). Chopin and Alkan even considered writing a book on piano technique but unfortunately that never happened. Composers also expected pedagogical traditions to continue, which would ensure that their intentions would last through generations. However most of them (including the bel canto singers, Beethoven/Clementi musical family tree etc.) slowly faded away, especially during the world wars.
I want to be one of those guys who uploads one hundred solo instrumentals with 100 total channel views
>>129339220What's stopping you?
>>129339230I only got 10 views
>>129339152Ehh I don't fully buy the analogy but thinking about it I would guess it would be a lot of trouble for nothing, you don't need an explanation of the music to enjoy it (at least for the most part), the only reason to explain a technique would be for others to replicate it and the composer also probably doesn't care about this either, oh well>>129339158Didn't knew this existed, and yeah it's the kind of thing I'd imagine composers would make to explain their methods>>129339219I mean something like what key a ambiguous chord/passage is, the function of a line / instrument, though like I said seems like its a futile endeavor, won't change anything for the audience and anyone who cares can should mostly be able to figure something out themselves
>>129339297>what key a ambiguous chord/passage is,It always depends entirely on the context. I think some people can't grapple with that. Also, roman numeral analysis is flawed, counterpoint principles should be the basis of your analysis to understand what the composers were doing and how they got to that point.
>>129339177>Reminds me a bit of how Skrjabin tip tops around the modernist and romantic idioms with complete freedom.Glad you enjoy his music. You described why I like him so much. Check out his gothic symphony, it's my favorite work. There is nothing quite like it, even from his own output. He's great at orchestration, choral writing and is very unpredictable.>Was he ignored just because he's British?He continued to write in a late-romantic idiom when that had already fallen out of fashion. He also wasn't a great self-promoter.
Listening to the GOAT John Williams
For today's 'opera' (a légende dramatique ("dramatic legend") performance, we listen to Berlioz's La Damnation of Faust conducted by Igor Markevitch.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcKRp0rttdE&list=OLAK5uy_ntzp94EnaCta9blN2tb4c9XZhdPAnaST8&index=1
Listening to this nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVGXhGhXGVA&list=OLAK5uy_lSQXLeQMQOp24m3FrpwgDoZ9_RF7LpQKw>>129339669Yeah hes bretty cool from the little I've listened to so far, I'm also a fan of the tight era perfectly between the modern and romantic, although it can manifest itself in a lot of strange ways. Are you also a MEHler fan? Sometimes he does a similar thing of wandering around restlessly for ages on end. Although I'm not a real fan of his works personally.Also what about Max Reger? Probably too technical and not romantic enough? I enjoy his works, but still need to do a true deep dive on him when I have the chance, like Medtner he needs a lot of listening over and over again to get into. >Check out his gothic symphony,Will do later on when I have the time for such a large piece, probably tonight or in the morning.
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>>129339856>Are you also a MEHler fan? Sometimes he does a similar thing of wandering around restlessly for ages on end. Although I'm not a real fan of his works personally.I understand what you mean but don't really mind that in his earlier works. I like Mahler a lot but never really got into any of his works past his 5th symphony except for DLVDE. I really dislike the 8th for example. His 2nd is probably my favorite.>Also what about Max Reger? Probably too technical and not romantic enough? I enjoy his works, but still need to do a true deep dive on him when I have the chance,I'm pretty stupid and tend to have a respect for something I don't grasp. But his organ works (and I play organ (badly)) for example are just something I don't understand at all. Or can even stand to listen too. It's like those French late-romantic organists that are just trying to innovate on whatever is left, but I honestly think only a very accomplished organist can fathom what the hell musically is even going on. I think music shouldn't be just purely intellectual masturbation. Then again maybe one day I'll have grown so tired of what I'm familiar with that it will click. Bach goes way above my head as well but his music doesn't annoy me.>like Medtner he needs a lot of listening over and over again to get into.I actually clicked immediately with Medtner's 3rd piano concerto and that was the first work I ever heard by him. The first time I listened to it I just laid my head on my desk and just drifted off. It's the kinda of music that goes over your head the firsrt time but you sense that sublime beauty in it and keep coming back. The opening bars alone sold it for me, very unique.
>>129338575The ideal Ring doesn't exist. There's only the mostly ideal Rings.
>>129338575What do you think about Janowski's?
>>129339135Theres a good chunk of composers that highly value the interpretive process by a performer and will sometimes even rewrite works to adhere to their visionBrahms was completely okay with any interpretation of his work as long as it was done wellBartok the mega autist said metronome markings were stupid and the correct tempo is what feels most correct for the performer, he also rewrote many of his works based on feedback from a performerSchoenberg's favorite performers were always mega romantics that took huge liberties Mahler rewrote some of his orchestration after performing his works with Mengelberg in the ConcertgebouwBruckner didn't care how anyone performed his works at allEven Beethoven who was pretty specific with how fast he wanted his performers to play his works did not want it done mechanicallyHonestly I can really only think to Gluck and Wagner who were mega autists about performers which is ironic because Wagner most certainly took huge liberties with every other composer he would conduct.The point is that performance practice is as much an art as composition is, and most composers made peace with that a long time ago.
>>129340162I quite liked it, and plan to return to it once I've tried a handful of others. Might finally listen to Solti's next (+ all his other Wagner), then return to Janowski's.
>>129339135The performer/conductor-composer relationship is inherent to classical music, it's baked into the composition. If recorded media existed 300-400 years ago, then I'm sure things would be very different.
>>129340190I just can't look past those sound effects Solti incorporated.
>>129340216;oGuess I'll find out.
Gershwinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvJK_5gwuGI&list=OLAK5uy_kEe3aauUKIK75xHVbXkpx6vlOHa7emAoM&index=20
>>129340224Maybe it's only during the finale. But there is a weird sound effect when the Rhine breaks out its shores.
>>129340238Can't decide if I like or hate this. Also the "Racial Controversy" section on Wikipedia is an interested read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porgy_and_Bess#Racial_controversy>The Gershwins stipulated that only Black people be allowed to play the lead roles when the opera was performed in the United States, launching the careers of several prominent opera singers. George Gershwin sought to write a true jazz opera and believed that Metropolitan Opera staff singers could never master the jazz idiom, which could instead only be sung by a Black cast. Some Black singers were overjoyed at George's work; a cast member called him the "Abraham Lincoln of Negro music".[50]but then also>The belief that Porgy and Bess was racist gained strength during the civil rights movement and Black Power movement of the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s. As these movements advanced, Porgy and Bess was seen as more and more out of date. When the play was revived in the 1960s, social critic and African-American educator Harold Cruse called it, "The most incongruous, contradictory cultural symbol ever created in the Western World."[10]I guess it's found wide cultural acceptance in recent times. That's good to hear.
For today's opera performance, we listen to Puccini's Tosca conducted by Lorin Maazel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vaabc7mkOx8&list=OLAK5uy_m5x8le4tC-wwRaPFzudeptWlWwZOXwoLQ&index=20
>>129338575https://youtu.be/0YLeaIux5os?si=Ur032TfDksD7Av2d
>>129340035>His 2nd is probably my favoriteMaybe I'll give it another go around then. > organ works I don't understand at all. Or can even stand to listen tooHonestly I feel like the biggest thing holding his organ works back for me is recording quality, its a torrent of notes and chords, which needs a lot of clarity, that is really, really difficulty to capture for organs due to their size and the 5 seconds of reverb in the halls. Doesn't help when the players go nuts with the stops for a larger sound and its all turned into mushy waves of sound. To me organs live and die by the recording quality, way more than for orchestra or piano. It is the fifference between a load of mud and the king of the instruments. >I actually clicked immediately with Medtner's 3rd piano concertoRare for Medtner, but to be fair orchestra helps people hold on to his music by offering more variety in sound, really dense solo piano music can be hard to wrap your head around since there are less obvious markers or seperations in each layer. There is a reason that the most popular piano music is twickly melodies (Chopin) or lush textures (Debussy). To me his 3rd is Medtner at his traditional self, loads of lyrical moments if you aren't hard of hearing, and the endless integrations and reintegrations of thematic material in fugato or otherwise. >music that goes over your head the firsrt time but you sense that sublime beauty in it and keep coming back. Correct, correct, correct. Godowsky and Alkan are the same way, but Medtner is best. Most classical listeners don't have as much patience as they pretend they do, some artists need more time.>The opening bars alone sold it for me, very unique.How do you like the opening on the first piano concerto? I find it to be the greatest opening I've ever heard, just absolute confidence and imperialist might, immensely catchy theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJkwBCrg16o&list=OLAK5uy_k_SunLDnOglgrvgSSFyNeoo2Z-Fo66yxs&index=1
>>129340338>this entire postHoly not listening and never will!
>>129340592why not?
>>129340185>Even Beethoven who was pretty specific with how fast he wanted his performers to play his works did not want it done mechanicallyWanting a fluid tempo does not mean being open minded to any tempo. His case is the same as Wagner's.
>>129340584I never clicked with the first as much as the second and the third and kinda neglected it. I think the opening bars of the second and the third movement of the 2nd are great for example. That whole third movement is amazing. I'll give it another go, as well as Godowsky and Alkan.
>>129340632Because I am extremely racist.
>>129340641Forgot to type the opening of the first concerto is maybe a bit much for me.>>129340649Based, I recently learned he announced that he wanted to make a set of 24 preludes and kept lowering the number and ended up with three. Shit composer is shit.
>Wagner's RingIt's that simple, guys.
>>129340677oooo cool, I'll take this to heart.>Levine + Haitink: Badhey! >:(
>>129340637Wagner was far more autistic about things not related to tempo, though. He was a meglomaniac about everything. It's in another tier.
>>129340677Why are the Furtwangler and Leinsdorf Walkures in the One-offs section???
>>129340677Janowski's is the third in the top-tier? kinda questionable when the conductor's name isn't even on the cover tbqh
Not many people realise this, since they don't know the sources, but the Ring Cycle is actually about a cock ring he was hoping to give to Nietzsche, whose penis was one of his main sources of inspiration and favourite topic of conversation
>>129340701Because neither are part of a cycle? Furt was going to do a whole cycle for HMV but died in 1954. Leinsdorf's is also not part of a cycle.
>>129340705NTA but idk if i've encountered a Wagnerite who didn't like Janowski's Ring.
>>129340712Oh nvm I thought 'One-off' meant one-off listen.
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Wagner's Der fliegende Holländer/The Flying Dutchman conducted by Georg Solti.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1d43Bz-xtQ&list=OLAK5uy_lA9tJLzZEJQKTRfwnDjB7dzOFbnCQbTtk&index=1
>>129340705I've written it about it at length before, but it's simply the Ring with the least amount going wrong in it. None of the singing is super top tier, like it is in Solti's or Bohm''s ring, but it is uniformly excellently conducted, the singing is good enough, and the sound is exceptional.
>>129340716>>129340731I was just teasing because his name isn't on the cover
>>129340185I didn't mean in the sense of performance, it was much more in regards to stuff such as the methods utilized by them to compose like how a lot of Scriabin's music seems based on the mystic chord or stuff like harmonic, rhythmic, melodic and structural analysis, like that Messiaen book someone posted earlier, the composing technique.
>>129340739Fun fact, it was actually supposed to be Kempe's Ring, but he died and Janowski took over the project last second.
>>129340724https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QjodlxRxa8Listen to this instead, much more entertaining.
now playingstart of Prokofiev: Violin Concerto No. 1 in D Major, Op. 19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adLrmHJYqeA&list=OLAK5uy_mh3rIn8GMqnq6-NUHzJIhXxmQvvhE9h-E&index=2start of Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 in A Minor, Op. 77https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kblH_1H3w_Q&list=OLAK5uy_mh3rIn8GMqnq6-NUHzJIhXxmQvvhE9h-E&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mh3rIn8GMqnq6-NUHzJIhXxmQvvhE9h-E>With his brilliant tone, flawlessly centered intonation, jaw-dropping technique, and exquisitely beautiful phrasing, Maxim Vengerov is ideal in this repertory. His sparkling account of the Prokofiev conveys the music's mercurial shifts of color and mood with great élan, and turns wonderfully evocative in the ethereal pages. The interpretation of the Shostakovich is equally fine--strongly characterized and imaginative, haunting in its beauty. The young soloist is ably partnered by Mstislav Rostropovich, who draws some remarkably fine and suggestive playing out of an alert London Symphony Orchestra, and makes a convincing whole out of each score. Teldec's engineers take advantage of the Abbey Road venue to deliver a recording that, while predictably balanced in favor of the soloist, is detailed and nicely atmospheric. This disc won Gramophone magazine's Record of the Year award in 1995, and it comes impressively close to capturing the kind of electricity Vengerov generates onstage. --Ted LibbeyEssential recording.
>>129340677Lol I like how theres no top tier, just "good enough"Truly the Ring experience
>>129336642Because he's popular. All the best opera singers I've ever met love his voice. I've met some people who worked with him, and they had nothing but good things to say about him.
Mahler 5 type of night.
was schubert a classical or a romantic composer
>>129340846Fresh, exciting recording. Plus authentic as he looks just like Mahler!
>>129340849late classical.
>>129340849Attempts to look upon Schubert as a herald of the Romantic era are not convincing; in the final count he must be placed among the Classical composers. It is true that formal grace and balance in his compositions are often sacrificed to the exuberance of his imagination, but Romanticism is not the tendency to distort or modify Classical forms, but to dispense with them; and this Schubert was incapable of doing. Except the Fourth Symphony, none of his works bears a title of his own bestowing, none carries a programme, none is labelled with extra-musical hints. On the contrary - and the point has been made - his mature work grows more conventional.
>>129340849Romantic. Unlike the classical composers, he was not influenced by Haydn.
>>129340846Eyo dis nigga look like Prince
>>129340849Classical and early romantic. Early Schubert was essential for the romantic harmony. Late Schubert was romantic by itself.>>129340896>he was not influenced by Haydn.Utter nonsense. Even romantic composers were, let alone Schubert.
The problem with listening to opera is if I listen to music my entire waking day, there's only enough time to listen to 4-5 works, whereas with regular classical pieces, you can listen to anywhere from 15-40 in a single day.
>>129341036And as we all know, the main point of classical music is to listen to as many different pieces per day as possible. Which is why I only listen to piano miniatures.
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBCz1KnQGNs&list=OLAK5uy_mXFj4Ze8UbkdqxZIyIE_LvBFY_gaWY4so&index=18
>>129341059You're right, I could listen to hundreds of Mazurkas, Waltzes, Preludes, and such a day!But nah, I mean more, a lot of times I have an idea of the works I wanna listen to in a day, only with opera I have to constrict my list more heavily. On busier days, I don't even have time to listen to one entire work!
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Britten's Turn of the Screw conducted by Sir Colin Davisopeninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw1pr1VITUU&list=OLAK5uy_mBvlVksg7nLaJQYTPCgAjsfl5rY7pskBE&index=2random vocal movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFgnvm4lcdQ&list=OLAK5uy_mBvlVksg7nLaJQYTPCgAjsfl5rY7pskBE&index=7>We have had to wait almost 30 years for a stereo recording of this masterpiece, but now that it has appeared, it turns out to be a worthwhile successor to a creators interpretation. Let me say at once that I would without hesitation recommend the new version in preference to the old because the performance is as rewarding if not more so, and the sound infinitely superior in Erik Smiths beautifully-balanced, atmospheric recording which allows you to hear every detail of Brittens subtly wrought score. - Gramophone
>>129340677I might check out that Simone Young one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1stLBxdQy8&list=OLAK5uy_k93gZdsQpS16SHApqUgzPKJ6gWrDq2iXg&index=16
>>129340641Ah strange, I often tend to pass over the second myself, its sort of similar to the quintet (which I love to bits) and Sonata-Idylle in feelings at time, bit more lively and less of the mountainous brooding hes usually fond of. Maybe you really would get along with Rach (despite not fulfilling your original request), the second concerto from Medtner is actually devoted to him (with Rach's fourth being devoted to Medtner in turn). Also while I mentioned Godowsky and Alkan, they are both piano-only, so if you aren't into Medtner's piano stuff I wouldn't look into either. For Godowsky he doesn't have a load of compositions, but I would highly recommend his monster Sonata and the Passacaglia as something everyone should listen to, the Java suite is neat too if you are into a 50 minute long gamelan inspired suite. That sonata is actually a bit similar to Medtner in some ways, the ultra late romanticism with a heavy contrapuntal focus, you'll get a similar feeling in some moments, very different in others though, you won't hear marches in Medtner's music very often, if at all. Alkan has more things worth checking out than Godowsky, although you have to be willing to get into his unusual character, he likes his humor and drama right next to each other. Also hes more classical informed than Godowsky or Medtner, not even close to late romantic. The Sonatine and the Symphony for Solo Piano are my favorites, Le Festin d'Ésope and the Grande Sonata next, and then the Concerto for Solo Piano and En rhytme molossique, finally the Overture is quite good plus Scherzo-diabolico, L'incendie au village voisin, the Chopin-esque Nocturne, and much more. >>129340657>Forgot to type the opening of the first concerto is maybe a bit much for me.Not one for a bit of pomp eh? Guessing Handel doesn't gel with you either?
>>129341283I refused to attend because it is a woman conductor.
now playingstart of Brahms: Symphony No. 2 in D Major, Op. 73https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qvhshVhE2M&list=OLAK5uy_mFzJyx9YE-4m8rOoK3oyI_S3LOmaEoW4c&index=2start of Brahms: Symphony No. 3 in F Major, Op. 90https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srtTbTqSwrM&list=OLAK5uy_mFzJyx9YE-4m8rOoK3oyI_S3LOmaEoW4c&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mFzJyx9YE-4m8rOoK3oyI_S3LOmaEoW4c>The Columbia Symphony may not have been a first-class orchestra, but Bruno Walter trained them to do the right things, and they responded with first-class accounts of these symphonies. While there are instances of less than crack ensemble, there is also some very fine first-desk playing, and the performances as a whole are marked by a natural feeling of movement, phrasing, and expression. Walter's approach to the music is kindly, caring, and wonderfully whole--sunny but not overly brilliant, warm but not overly heated, sincere but not overly impassioned. Anyone who thinks that means the conductor was slow, shapeless, or indulgent should give this disc a listen. There is thrust here, and plenty of momentum. The recordings are closely miked and somewhat bass-heavy, but in Sony's new 20-bit remastering the sound is wonderfully alive and direct. --Ted Libbey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPYyMkn5L5gOh Tod, wie wohl tust du :')
Ich bin der Welt abhanden gekommen.
>>129341909faggot.
>>129341244What's interesting to me is in this,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i8IANGKxKc&list=OLAK5uy_mBvlVksg7nLaJQYTPCgAjsfl5rY7pskBE&index=3you can hear a lot of the possible inspiration for the coming wave of art rock/art pop/chamber pop. Or maybe I'm talking out my ass, maybe they had the same influence. But a lot times, these things filter down from high art sources, so if Britten was the inspiration for a lot of these things, that's kinda neat.
Regerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Z40SJg4GA
>>129341954Fuck you.
>>129342106schluck ein paar pillen und stirb. niemand will deinen spam lesen.
>>129341991Some nice Brahms fog daubed on top of the Reger swamp.
>>129340677>Theo Adam in S tier twice
>>129336186https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
>>129343419kek. this should be the response to any Hurwitz vid.
>>129340035>I really dislike the 8th for example. His 2nd is probably my favorite.are you me?
>>129343419Some opinions are more informed and correct than others.
>>129342772There's no S tier there.
>>129343523not this idiot's, that's for sure
>>129343537"More" is relative. It's more informed than all anons from this general combined.
>>129343566which just makes his opinions all the more embarassingat least the Anons here would never say something as dumb as "I don't like Bach much because he set music to antisimetic texts"
>>129343584I'm sure that's something an anon would say, not Hurwitz. But whatever helps you sleep at nights.
>>129343599Anon, Hurwitz has already said that.
>>129343604Anon, it's time to take your meds
>>129343618>>129343599Midwitz on the baroque (direct quotation):>"when the teacher asked us how to know if something was Baroque, I would answer with 'because its terrible", and another thing, I was terribly put off and so offended because of the texts, which were because of my own upbringing in a racist community, which was rife with antisemitism"Stunning stuff, what a fat ugly subhuman.
Always thought Keith Jarrett was more of a jazz pianist, didn't know he also did classical. Are they worth checking out or is it best just listening to his jazz? Either way its always cool to see black people playing classical.
>>129344392Most of us don't like it, but they're pretty popular for a reason (his Bach, Shostakovich, Handel, etc), so give it a try and decide for yourself.
>>129344392>its always cool to see black people playing classical.
CLASSIKAL GENERAL WOOOO PARTY HARD
>>129344290Yeah, it's time for your meds, autist.
>>129344438this is why people voted for Hitler.
>>129344392Who gives a fuck if it's black or alien playing it
>>129344479I do, nigger.
>>129344485Yeah, you're a woketard. Go back.
For today's opera performance, we listen to Verdi's Aida conducted by Georg Soltiopeninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34uttIDTkuA&list=OLAK5uy_nj6Xg1COQft50efwwBvclk_MoQUyvp_KU&index=2random vocal movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q510YaSjd0&list=OLAK5uy_nj6Xg1COQft50efwwBvclk_MoQUyvp_KU&index=20If anyone has any recs for operas I should try, I'm all ears! Otherwise I'm mostly in the "try different recordings for the ones I tried already" phase, at least for now.
>>129344475Thank you shabbos goy.
>>129344392I only like real black people. No clue what these jewish inventions are.
>>129344576History is such a white-wash.
>>129336154>Gould>would
>>129344531Don't you feel strange listening to black opera singers? Not racist btw.
>>129344597>gould fanboy>faggotchecks out
>>129344602I wouldn't say strange, but I do take note of it. I almost always choose the recording based on conductor though, so blame Solti.
mahler7https://files.catbox.moe/x89czq.flac
>>129344597>>129344605He is kinda sexy tho.
What exactly separates a leitmotif from an ordinary theme or motif in an opera? It seems like the basic principle of the leitmotif had existed for over a hundred years before Romanticism.
>>129344682A theme/motif are strictly musical, whereas a leitmotif is extramusical, ie relating to characterization or a narrative theme. That's my take anyway, what do I know
>>129344712But it's opera, musical themes and motifs have always correlated with extramusical content.
now playingstart of Franck: Symphony in D Minor, CFF 130:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSgTMbUHJas&list=OLAK5uy_kszAskv_HPK_JJkEJ4t-suT4FSPn6176M&index=2start of Fauré: Pelléas et Mélisande Suite, Op. 80https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po6hnPb68kc&list=OLAK5uy_kszAskv_HPK_JJkEJ4t-suT4FSPn6176M&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kszAskv_HPK_JJkEJ4t-suT4FSPn6176M>Almost 50 years after his first DG recording of Franck's symphony with the Orchestre de Paris, Barenboim now presents a new interpretation with the Berliner Philharmoniker. In the outer movements in particular, he focuses on the large, monumental sound that emphasizes the hymnal aspect of Franck's symphony which fuses the spirit of Beethoven with French elegance..
>>129344682>>129344728Motifs/themes are used in symphonies and absolute music. Operas did not have such concrete unifying themes before Wagner (Weber did something similar, Gluck to lesser extent, Donizetti also played with similar ideas etc.). Leitmotifs as structural foundation of the music - the same way themes are for symphonies - is almost uniquely Wagnerian.
idc, britten is a genius
>Commanders LB Bobby Wagner named 2025 Walter Payton NFL Man of the Yearwagnersisters win again
>>129344788What about the overture to Fidelio and its use of obviously programmatic themes and motifs? There's so many examples like this. I'm aware that Wagner took it further than anyone else, but in his early operas, and before him, the line seems to be blurred. And iirc leitmotifs is only an accurate term for what the early Wagner was doing, since there's no 'leading themes' when the entire opera is constructed out of themes.
Never been a religious man but I found out not too long ago that the local cathedral on occasion will preform a latin mass with a special choir and so Ive been going to those. Next one they are doing Palestrina, feels like a lifehack to hear free music. I even started lining up to eat the ceremony wafer they give everyone, its been great.
I visit GGs grave sometimes. Its in a nice cemetery that I take walks in
>>129345000good for you anon
>>129336154https://voca.ro/15Eo85Cdn5T1I'm here to make everything worse
>>129345020I walk by every so often too
>>129344988>And iirc leitmotifs is only an accurate term for what the early Wagner was doingNo, leitmotifs are themes associated with characters/objects/moods etc. that funtion like actual themes, they are thematically transformed (Schubert, Liszt technique) - changing key, rhythm, harmony to fit the mood - and developed. Fidelio's reccuring motifs are proto-leitmotifs, but they don't function like proper leitmotifs.
https://youtu.be/cvXVXx-Sfxw?si=M0cAjqbxw9Cv7zh9
>>129345088>leitmotifs are themes associated with characters/objects/moods etc. that funtion like actual themes, they are thematically transformed (Schubert, Liszt technique) - changing key, rhythm, harmony to fit the mood - and developed.I've never once before heard such an extensive definition and I can't help but think it's a little subjective. Why refer to Fidelio's recurring motifs as 'proto-leitmotifs' when there's no other word to describe their programmatic use in the context of opera?
I'm gunna sign up for online music lessons from a university music school today if I can so I can start preparing for admissions. fuck it its ya life kid.
>>129345291>it's a little subjectiveBeethoven's themes always appear in the same way, in the same key, it does not evolve, this is not "subjective".
>>129345322Saying that a leitmotif has to appear in different keys and evolve is what strikes me as subjective.
>>129344597Am I the only one who was amazed the first time I image searched Glenn Gould? I had heard his music before but never actually really seen a photo of a young him and - oh my - he was attractive.Like, really fucking attractive.When you hear of someone being a piano wonder child, always being described as the worst autist etc etc, you quite expect someone a little Rain Man-looking. So the chock of it.And he's truly objectively attractive. Not even just "oh that's more than I expected", but... He's like objectively a 9/10.And then add his talents to his looks...Jesus.
>>129345304good luck have fun, anon
>>129345334He looks like a monkey. Fags always have no standards.
>>129345334He's a piano genius, model tier aethetics, straight edge (besides the medication), AND hes actually really well spoken/intelligent. As if that wasn't enough he made intentionally troll recordings, was a maniac racer on the road, and had the hottest takes, /ourguy/ Glenny G makes you furious you weren't born as him.That being said he did have massive anxiety issues and his looks fell off pretty hard with age, the norwood reaper got him hard and his diet of eggs and steak with mass amounts of arrowroot cookies combined with no exercise plus 20 gorillion prescription pills is basically how to age like shit and die early 101.
>>129345367>He looks like a monkey. Fags always have no standards.
>>129345419jeez anon no need to wiggle your tongue around in his foreskin
>>129345439Jealous that someone took yours?
urge to act out intensifies
Practiced reading music by listening to Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 and following the score. Was mostly able to keep up but fell off towards the end. Feeling content regardless, it's a start!
>>129345419Eggs and steak are good for you.Also, most great men tend to bald to some degree. I can’t think of a single great man with a perfect hairline.
>>129345639this guy is right you know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq7QpuVRZPAgould should have been a classical radio host
>>129345639>Eggs and steak are good for youThank you retard.
Trying to follow along with the libretto is a lot harder than I thought. Sometimes singers sound pretty similar so you think it's gone to the next guy but it hasn't, or vice versa, or you think the sentence/line has ended but the singer was just taking a breath, or again vice versa, and then before you know it you're unsure if you're way behind or way ahead.
>>129345813For me it's almost impossible when it's Italian.
sibelius is so fucking boring
>>129345835I thought this too when I started out with Karajan's and Blomstedt's recordings, but then I tried some better ones. Plus once you realize his style is essentially Tchaikovsky + Bruckner, it begins to click.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x5Kk5o7UJEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hYaL3mJl1EIf you still don't like these, then, well, no one is gonna like everybody, and that's okay.
For today's opera performance, we listen to Poulenc's Dialogue des Carmélites/Dialogues of the Carmelites conducted by Kent Nagano.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3bmTmgq_yU&list=OLAK5uy_m0rpbRXiHq-HPVOsxawjTQkIhx8MjVyhc&index=1
if you don't like Beethoven's Archduke Trio, we can't ever be friends or sleep together, sorry!https://youtu.be/LUwTwQTXG8E?&t=11
>>129345828>>129345813english-only speakers detected
>>129345639Beethoven, Mark Twain, Isaac Newton
If you like Fagner, we can't ever be friends or sleep together, sorry!
>>129345334he is an average guy. He's not ugly, of course, but to be as turned on as you are you must live somewhere surrounded by really fucking ugly people.
>>129346026>>129345921?did you hit your head?
now playingstart of Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5zC5F5x6wM&list=OLAK5uy_l2BpiXcF90Qqh-5uY436WJ9oAerJnoCCE&index=2start of Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7B-pT-8WXM&list=OLAK5uy_l2BpiXcF90Qqh-5uY436WJ9oAerJnoCCE&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l2BpiXcF90Qqh-5uY436WJ9oAerJnoCCE>I don’t think my allegiance to the very different performances of either concerto by either Hough or Gilels has been broken. And there are many other very fine versions of both works in the catalogue. However, Sunwook Kim is a formidable contender and his partnership with Sir Mark Elder is extraordinarily successful. If you buy these discs I don’t think you’ll be at all disappointed. I’m sure I shall be returning to these performances and not just for pleasure; they will make challenging comparators for future recordings of either of these pinnacles of the piano concerto repertoire. ---- John Quinn, MusicWebOne can never have too many recordings of these sublime masterpieces.
>>129346050that second post is NOT me!!!!
had sex with a hot "babe" last night. music for this feel?
>>129346216this recordinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ei0w3Ndyfc&list=OLAK5uy_kwm31V2Lk21_Txz0bJKE3rH3-VtUl7xmw&index=1or if you like more modern audio qualityhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxacZgTaVUs&list=OLAK5uy_mPL2yk7wINDZ4WZkKaQRlxgUnp5aWsoig&index=3aka celebration music
Elgarhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJZf1E9ilF0&list=OLAK5uy_lkWUFTwlP21KM2qI7nqbQ8T83XsrxW39Q&index=17
>>129346241hey that's the same orchestra as >>129346184:Dthe lineage is strong
>>129346216Wagner.
The TC Top 200 Recommended Operas (2020 version)1. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen2. Wagner - Tristan und Isolde3. Wagner - Parsifal4. Puccini - Madama Butterfly5. Puccini - Tosca6. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte7. Verdi - Otello8. Verdi - Aida9. Mozart - Le Nozze di Figaro10. Mozart - Don Giovanni11. Verdi - La traviata12. Verdi - Don Carlo(s)13. Wagner - Tannhäuser14. Wagner - Lohengrin15. Debussy - Pélléas et Mélisande16. Puccini - Turandot17. Puccini - La fanciulla del West18. Bellini - Norma19. Puccini - La Bohème20. Verdi - La Forza del Destino21. Mussorgky - Boris Godunov22. Wagner - Der Fliegende Holländer23. Verdi - Rigoletto24. Verdi - Il trovatore25. Leoncavallo - Pagliacci26. Rossini - Il Barbiere di Siviglia27. Verdi - Simon Boccanegra28. Verdi - Macbeth29. Bizet - Carmen30. Donizetti - Lucia di Lammermoor31. Wagner - Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg32. Mascagni - Cavalleria Rusticana33. Bartok - Bluebeard's Castle34. R. Strauss - Salome35. R. Strauss - Elektra36. Tchaikovsky - Eugene Onegin37. Beethoven - Fidelio38. Bellini - La sonnambula39. Puccini - Suor Angelica40. Weber - Der Freischütz41. Boito - Mefistofele42. R. Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier43. Offenbach - Les Contes d'Hoffmann44. Britten - Peter Grimes45. Poulenc - Dialogue des Carmélites46. Puccini - Manon Lescaut47. Gounod - Faust48. Rossini - La Cenerentola49. Purcell - Dido and Aeneas50. Puccini - Gianni Schicchimissing anything?
>>129346312>Puccini over Mozartinsanity. puccini is music for women who got into classical through modern musical theatre.
The TC Top 200 Recommended Solo Keyboard Works1. Bach - The Well-Tempered Clavier, BWV 846-8932. Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 29, Op. 106 "Hammerklavier"3. Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 32, Op. 1114. Chopin - 24 Preludes, Op. 285. Bach - Goldberg Variations, BWV 9886. Schubert - Piano Sonata No. 21, D. 9607. Ravel - Gaspard de la Nuit8. Chopin - Ballade No. 4, Op. 529. Schumann - Fantasie in C major, Op. 1710. Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition11. Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 23, Op. 57 "Appassionata"12. Debussy - Préludes, Books 1 & 213. Bach - Partitas, BWV 825-83014. Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 30, Op. 10915. Chopin - Études, Op. 1016. Liszt - Piano Sonata, S. 17817. Shostakovich - 24 Preludes and Fugues, Op. 8718. Schubert - Four Impromptus, D. 89919. Chopin - Études, Op. 2520. Schumann - Davidsbündlertänze, Op. 621. Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 21, Op. 53 "Waldstein"22. Schumann - Kreisleriana, Op. 1623. Schubert - Piano Sonata No. 20, D. 95924. Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 31, Op. 11025. Prokofiev - Piano Sonata No. 7, Op. 83 "Stalingrad"26. Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 8, Op. 13 "Pathétique"27. Ravel - Miroirs28. Bach - English Suites, BWV 806-81129. Beethoven - 33 Variations on a Waltz by Anton Diabelli, Op. 12030. Ravel - Pavane pour une infante défunte31. Albéniz - Iberia32. Mozart - Piano Sonata No. 14, K. 45733. Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 14, Op. 27/2 "Moonlight"34. Schumann - Carnaval, Op. 935. Mendelssohn - Lieder ohne Worte36. Schumann - Études Symphoniques, Op. 1337. Prokofiev - Piano Sonata No. 6, Op. 8238. Scriabin - Piano Sonata No. 5, Op. 5339. Brahms - Variations on a Theme of Paganini, Op. 3540. Debussy - Children's Corner, L. 11341. Chopin - Ballade No. 1, Op. 2342. Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 28, Op. 10143. Chopin - Nocturnes, Op. 944. Bach - French Suites, BWV 812-81745. Medtner - Sonata Romantica, Op. 53/146. Schumann - Kinderszenen, Op. 1547. Brahms - Six Pieces for piano, Op. 118
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sorry for the spam, I posted both to maybe spur some discussionalso ran out of room on the piano one48. Schubert - Wanderer Fantasy, D. 76049. Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 26, Op. 81a "Les Adieux"50. Scarlatti - Keyboard Sonata in E Major, K. 380 "Cortège">>129346336I find it fascinating people have such divergent views on operas on the upper end, ie a lot of people who like Wagner don't like Puccini, a lot of people who like Verdi don't like Wagner, and so on. You don't see that as much in other forms.
>>129346346just the two, because some people here don't like opera, so the piano one is for them. again, apologies. if it doesn't spur any discussion, then, well, hey, I tried
>>129346341Ravel's Gaspard de la Nuit isn't THAT good. I'm biased because I've never really liked it.
>>129346341>10. Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibitionit's good but not that good
>>129346355puccini's music is just too frilly/dainty for me. makes me nauseous.>>129346341waaaay too little Mozart. no Rondo in a, Adagio in b, and sonatas 15 and 18 are both superior to 14.
>>129346050that second post is TOTALLY me!!!!
>>129346341>31. Albéniz - IberiaI still haven't listened to this. In fact I've never even looked it up. Is it good?
>>129346388The problem is you have some people -- including Mozart fans! -- who don't think his solo piano music is very much worthwhile to begin with. I disagree, of course, but I can see how in an aggregated list, it'd balance out and you get little-to-no Mozart. Then again, I wonder if I made my own list how high would the highest Mozart solo piano piece be. If I had made a top 25, would it rank at all? I don't know, as much as it pains me.
>>129346341>The list that should be at *LEAST* 30/50 Chopin>doesn't even include polonaise-fantaisie, 3rd sonata, barcarolle, nocturnes op.62, 3rd ballade, scherzos Useless. Delusional. Might as well just click on classical compilations.
>>129346388>puccini's music is just too frilly/dainty for me. makes me nauseous.That's kinda how I feel with Don Giovanni tbqh
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>>1293464654 in the top 20 isn't enough!? you gotta have it all? Also Ballade 1 is weird, because I thought it was unanimous the 3rd Ballade is much better? Guess I'm wrong.
>>129346341>Nocturnes 9>Not 48Yikes
>>129346480le iconic b-flat minor no. 1 and e flat no. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUB-qW3Prc0&list=OLAK5uy_miiRAYnN8k-oy9p6LydL2bYa70nrHQj4c&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8YhDR2fOUg&list=OLAK5uy_miiRAYnN8k-oy9p6LydL2bYa70nrHQj4c&index=2I think even my own mother would recognize these pieces -- and enjoy them!
>>129346477don't reply to the chopin fanatic. I'm not sure if you have been here lately, but trust me, he is a complete waste of your time.
classical, due to being a native american I can get a scholarship (maybe) to go to state school, also being disabled (maybe can get voc rehab to pay for school). I want lessons, I may have to pay for it myself. Do any of you teach online piano lessons? I want them with my school but I'm curious if any of you do any specialty lessons on a paid basis, as that's something I'm interested in doing for a living.
>>129346341>impromptus>etudes>preludes>Mussorgsky being on any list for anything ever>Prokofiev making the list multiple times>Schumann spammed on the list>Mendelssohn on the list>Shostakovich on the list>Albéniz on the list >zero (0) Clementi, CPE, Scarlatti, Soler, Busoni, Alkan, Couperin, Handel, Rameau, Faure, Feinberg, Buxtehude, Rachmaninov, Reger, Dupre, or GodowskyWhat an absolute disaster of a list.
>>129346312We all must admit, the top 3 dominance by one composer is staggering. The only comparable achievement is Beethoven's String Quartets 13-15 (in that you could reasonably rank these as the three greatest string quartets of all-time). Even if one doesn't like Wagner, the genius is undeniable.
>>129346513Schubert's impromptus are great
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>>129346513I don't think there's anyone who reasonably believes Chopin's Preludes are anything short of magnificent and the peak of piano repertoire.And you gotta represent some modernism with Prokofiev and Shostakovich, of which era they represent the Mt. Rushmore.
>>129346513>>zero (0) Clementi, CPE, Scarlatti, Soler, Busoni, Alkan, Couperin, Handel, Rameau, Faure, Feinberg, Buxtehude, Rachmaninov, Reger, Dupre, or Godowskyliterally whomst?
>>129346477>>129346538No, not even close. Debussy also deserves more spots, and there's no mention of Fauré. Shameful.Ballade 1 is the most popular and 'iconic' so I'm surprised they didn't put it above 4th, looks like they might not be completely braindead. Missing Barcarolle is like missing piano in a list of keyboard instrumentsAlso, I would include at least 10 other pieces before the preludes, starting with the 4 scherzi, nocturnes...>>129346505I'm not sure if you have been here lately either.
>>129346341>>129346513The Mendelssohn Songs Without Words piece is kinda cheating because it only ranks due to its sheer volume. If you broke it up like Chopin's Nocturnes, it wouldn't come close because a lot of it is rather bland and uninspired.
>>129346507Surely there's better places on the internet or otherwise to ask this.
Holy Moly! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhSx7i44tjc
>>129346553>Also, I would include at least 10 other pieces before the preludes, starting with the 4 scherzi, nocturnes...I'm surprised to hear you say that, that you don't rank Chopin's Preludes as highly as most within his own works. Do you think they're overrated? Or the rest is underrated?
>>129346570Love it. Just like I said the other day, no matter how you feel about this piece as music, it's undeniably inspiring, visceral, and wonderful for dancing.
>>129346493It is hard to deny how great these 2 are though. Truly deserving of it's popularity.#1 especially.
>>129346521You might like them, but for a top 50 of all time greatest pieces? Get the fuck outta here. >>129346558Agreed, should be based on piece by piece basis, not whoever shat out the most pieces under "one" Op. >>129346538>bunch in minitures in simplistic form>peak of repertoireAs for Prokofiev and Shosta, Shosta isn't even modernist, and Prokofiev's sonatas making the list instead of late Scriabin is an insult, nevermind Feinberg being ignored. >>129346545Thank you tourist.
>>129346341>29. Beethoven - 33 Variations on a Waltz by Anton Diabelli, Op. 120one day i WILL learn to appreciate Beethoven's Diabelli Variationshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5UmEnNnCiE
>>129346602>You might like them, but for a top 50 of all time greatest pieces? Get the fuck outta here....I thought this was pretty safely universally accepted? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8V964wP1Pwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qQbLLa3i4Qsublime
>>129346578There's just more material in longer works that's presented and worked out than in any of the individual preludes. And I think there's some personal bias involved too, as I tend to prefer longer pieces (ideally between 6 - 40min). The preludes are nice, but I can't ever listen to them or WTC in a single go, I get a fatigue from a bunch of unrelated pieces very soon.
>>129346615>universally acceptedBy plebeians, sure. Anyone of any interest would rather see Haydn sonatas on that list.
Why are tuba players always fat
>>129346621>as I tend to prefer longer pieces (ideally between 6 - 40min).Anon, I...
>>129346635Chopincel intelligence strikes again. NTA.
For today's opera performance, we listen to Wagner's Die Walkure conducted by Sir Georg Soltifamous movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yghgw5ogUs&list=OLAK5uy_kDN-hJrZ6m9oL1i_dfKxmcj00GyY16odc&index=30
>>129346635As I said, I can't listen to the set of preludes like an album. I sit down and listen to one, perhaps a few, as unrelated pieces, and I move on. I don't know how people listen to that and WTC entirely, I just get fatigue, I can't enjoy it properly. Whereas I can stay fully focused while listening to a Mahler symphony, since it's one whole. Possibly a flaw of mine. But it is what it is.
>>129346669The WTC is pretty long, but what about the Nocturnes, Goldberg Variations, or Art of Fugue? Do you listen to those in one go? But fair enough, I feel ya.
now that the dust has settled, we agree this is the best Art of Fugue recording, yeah?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1-V9kQKxgc&list=OLAK5uy_lYcjatHBOJ9raY_ysy_miCCz9jWtweHlI&index=43Nikolayeva is also acceptablehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR-GI2TVxd4&list=OLAK5uy_k90XIC7-fPLSDEaeBmv_bUUd5X1od3prE&index=10
>>129346676Only Goldberg Variations and Art of Fugue (mostly the latter, I can't hear much relation in the former). Art of Fugue clearly works as a cohesive whole, even tho it's quite long and it gets harder to keep up, so sometimes I listen to the last few fugues (the best ones) alone on their own.
bach fans be like>in bach's music, one can already see the outline of einstein's general relativity, the blueprints for the microprocessor, and the underlying core of john rawls' a theory of justice
>>129346538>I don't think there's anyone who reasonably believes Chopin's Preludes are anything short of magnificent and the peak of piano repertoireyou live in another planet then
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