Lully editionhttps://youtu.be/HV6kr2BOBtAThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129591589
>>129619101Mendelssohn - Organ Sonatas Op 65Franck - 6 Piéces Pour Grande Orgue, Trois Pièces Pour Le Grand Orgue, Trois Chorals Pour Le Grand OrgueBrahms - 11 Choralvorspiele Für Orgel Op 122Elgar - Organ Sonata In G Major Op 28Bridge - First Book Of Organ Pieces H 56, Second Book Of Organ Pieces H 106Hindemith - Sonate Für Orgel Nº1, 2, & 3
Lotte Lehmann <3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_m5FUU4OgA&list=OLAK5uy_nPRIWCgABjVXqXNjjkECiF6xT2MjYWmhw&index=1
>>129619131Thanks, listening through now
>>129619137btw>Lehmann was an active painter, especially in her retirement. Her painting included a series of twenty-four illustrations in tempera for each song of Schubert's Winterreise. https://lottelehmannleague.org/2011/winterreise/Cool
Oscar-Arthur Honeggerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu7NskuYF7Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2WmIoUeX1chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa5nMSrME-4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PjvRC6OGbohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl6ZnIDwKEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqSFBwBC0S0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_73erL8o_9whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4FmuobrUs4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AR8Y8bWFSwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrDpP0Z2ojEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeqhKYRV7ughttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOJwnhuckgMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rocZ_0CayFohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcHHFH1AN_0&pp=ygUVaG9uZWdnZXIgcnVnYnkgZHV0b2l0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qFqUUQx2Lshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3hVKRbXfTYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3hVKRbXfTYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCR7yozGRBAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZqRW1fct1whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZqRW1fct1whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJm2AEcbzIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vnhPVyMb38https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUGLqJEfJAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpT_I8tjxbQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTd_1GKeQg8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKYCB3PdLakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wjT1ycujT4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8FX5ZtnNMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iphzdVU9kEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLlg0r2wXuIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZRBxy6onXM
>>129619296might want to trim some of the repeats for next time
>>129619175Happy listening. I forgot to include Alkan's 11 Grands Préludes Op 66 & 12 Études D'Orgue, and Nielsen's 29 Smaa Præludier For Orgel Op 51. Maybe Livre D'Orgue by Messiaen, though his style is a lot more... static, so to speak. Not as dynamic. Which is the same thing. I'm not usually this bad with words.
[Tannhauser theme plays softly in the distance]
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewYTF9x-rE
>>129619137they don't make them like this anymore
>>129619114Has there ever been a composer so meticulous about sneakily reusing the same motifs across his entire output as Brahms?(Some are really from Robert or Clara Schumann)Realistically, most of these are probably coincidences (similar to the Beethoven's 5th rhythm's other appearances in Beethoven's output), but it's still fascinating to think about from the listener side."The secret lullabies of Brahms" (Caleb Hu): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaFtRGF10Jc"Spectacularly Surprising 'Lone-note' Modulations" (Richard Atkinson): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaoU9B1m-q4Chopin might have a few recurring "signatures" as well but I haven't kept track of them.
>>129619137Love it.
>>129621140O_O
I can't believe Bernstein actually tried to claim that there was nothing wrong with Schumann's orchestration.
>that music theory threadWhy do we have to share a board with such dumbasses.
>>129621264So long as you're playing with an orchestra the size that Schumann had back in the day they aren't that bad
Bach didn't write Toccata and FugueIt was also composed originally for violin.
>>129621449Violin I agreeNon-Bach I disagree
Bros are playing organ as if they are running mission control for a space missionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Uyc87yMlto
>>129621656yes. for centuries the pipe organ was the most advanced piece of technology on earth.
>>129621449Bach isn't as great as most people claim he is, once you figure out what he was actually doing its not that impressive. He was more of a maths guy than a musician.
>>129621752It IS impressive and he was certainly a genius once you analyze his music carefully, but I'm not as fascinated with his contrapuntal tricks as people tend to be. It gets boring quickly. I'd prefer if he used fugues and canons as techniques rather than forms, integrated into bigger dramatic forms, but that would've be too early and make him too OP.
>>129622037For the record, his concertos are sort of like that, but what I meant by "dramatic forms" are sonata-like structures
>>129621140Rachmaninoff used the dies irae motif literally everywhere
>>129621752we share a general with this person
>>129623025It's not easy to tell that Bach was a genius. Unless you study a little bit of music at least .To an average listener he's just "good".
>>129621140>Has there ever been a composer so meticulous about sneakily reusing the same motifs across his entire output as Brahms?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSCH_motif
>>129623025>Write a simple melody that anyone can do>start a second melody on the same track but start it at a different time>flip the melody upside down and repeat for more "complex" piecesA child could do thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdI7UM7Xubw
>>129623322Why don't you share some of your canons and fugues, anon?
>>129623333Because no one wants to listen to counterpoint wankery in 2026
>>129623353you're a classical music general for God's sakewhat do you care what people in 2026 want to listen to?
>>129623362Composing baroque music in todays age would just be bad taste. You are just reliving the past but adding nothing.
>>129623380Unlike you, who is adding... what exactly?
>>129623449I make drift phonk and post it in the soundcloud threads
>>129623322No. Barely anyone can. And almost no one can do it as well as Bach did. That's the point.
>>129623697refer to rule 6.
>>129623353I'm having a baroque style piece performed at a concert this year. professional musicians love baroque polyphony and we don't give a fuck about the opinions of plebs like you.
>it's a dance movement are there any that aren't absolute dogshit compared to allegros, slow movements, finales? if I have to press the skip track button on another trio and minuet I'm gonna kms
Dvorakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUbC-0ZaAV0
D-vore-jack
>>129621752>He was more of a maths guy than a musicianWhy do pseuds think bach = le counterpoint?If he never wrote a single fugue Bach would still be the greatest musical figure who ever lived https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SguNpDynB2k
>>129624065Bach was the GOAT contrapuntist, certainly not "greatest musical figure who ever lived" - I could name dozens, if not over a hundred composers well deserving of that title.
>>129624085>Bach was the GOAT contrapuntistNot even close, that would be Josquin, or one of the other Franco-Flemish masters like Gombert or Ockeghem.
>>129624085fuck off, retard.
>>129624093Certainly not. Art of Fugue along BTFO's everything they did in the renaissance. Manipulating subjects to that degree (invertie counterpoint + diminuations + retrogrades + triple fugue etc etc, all in harmonic counterpoint) is insanely difficult and highly respected for a reason. The renaissance masters dealt with different kind of difficulties.
Bach being great because of complex counterpoint is a profoundly midwit opinion
>>129624093>Franco-Flemish masters like Gombert or Ockeghem.bait should be believable. at least mention Shostakovich, Taneyev, and Hovhaness.
>>129624102Fuck off yourself, pussy
>>129624112you're profoundly melanated.
>>129624085Alright, start naming them.
>>129624106And Bach was only able to write that because he was playing on easy mode with tonal harmony being available to him
>>129624128Bach style polyphony is harder to write.
>>129624115>Shostakovich>more impressive contrapuntalist than OckeghemLMAO
I'm running out of space on my computer. 7GB for Sawallisch's Ring cycle, sheesh, plus I don't believe in deleting anything ever. Oh wait, that's with video. I see the FLAC version is only 3GB. Guess I'll go with that... unless the video version is good?
>>129624233External hard drives are cheap these days.
>>129624267I'm broke tho. I use a mouse that double-clicks and has a broken mousewheel. It actually makes it quite tedious making posts here with images and links but I make due.
>>129624147One day Shostakovich's Op. 87 will be viewed on the same level as Bach's WTC.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPC9CNsafU
>>129624270Sounds like you need to change your beliefs about data management.
>>129624298Problem is I download stuff that I don't watch immediately and it sits forever. Like this DVDRip of Levine's Ring -- 30 GB! My entire PC is only 240GB!!
>>129624124Here. Anyone from here equally and unequivocally deseves that title. >>129624128>tonal harmony>easy mode
>>129624316based and true
>>129624316You're short 81.
>>129624336https://classicalmusiconly.com/lists/top/composersLiterally this.
>>129624342>needs 1 moreOkay. Szymanowski.Also, might as well replace Gershwin with Gesualdo. Done.
WITHOUT CHECKING, who wrote that work?King Roger:Triumphlied:Three Places in New England:Les Illuminations:Lobgesang:Night Ride and Sunrise, Op. 55:Totentanz:Tzigane:Norfolk Rhapsodies:Satyagraha:Novelletten, Op. 21:Luonnotar, Op. 70:Berceuse heroique:Danse Macabre:The Pines of Rome:The Seasons (oratorio or ballet):The Water Goblin:
Bach truly is one of the greatest.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uYn82J2RjMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf8E1xNOrDE
>>129624529He had access to the platonic ideal of Music.
>>129624527Britten?no ideaIvesRavel?no ideano ideaLiszt, but multiple composers have written something with that nameno ideaVaughan-Williams?no ideaScriabin?no ideaDebussy?Saint-Saens, but multiple composers have written something with that nameGhedinino ideaSmetanapretty bad showing I gotta admit
>>129624567Good attempt! I don't wanna spoil anything, so I'll just say your Britten, Ravel, Scriabin, Ghedini, and Smetana are off.
>>129624527Danse Macabre - Saint-SaensThe Seasons - TchaikovskyNo idea about the rest.
>>129624576Oh the Water Goblin is by the other guy. Damn it.
>>129624527>>129624595>oratorio or balletOh, nevermind lol
Wait a second, in Siegfried, the forest bird is literally a forest bird? I deleted the video so I can't take a pic, but in Barenboim's 2012 La Scala performance of it, there's a literal woman singer wondering around in the makeshift forest on stage singing the part, so I thought it was like the spirit of Brunnhilde or Erda (looking it up, it appears to be a different, singular vocalist entirely) or something.from two diff reviews,> Incidentally, the piping Woodbird of Rinnat Moriah, similarly sung from offstage while impersonated onstage by a dancer, is a model of clarity. >also there in the Woodbird we see, clad as if for a grand ball; but the role is sung by someone else. It’s a mistake to have a visible Woodbird, since it lessens the shock for Siegfried of seeing Brünnhilde – any woman – for the first time.Anyway, I thought about it now, wondering who the woman was, and when I looked up the synopsis, I discovered it's a literal woodbird! That was confusing. Good to know now I suppose.
>>129624595>>129624606fug, I forgot about the Tchaikovsky piano piece, that's a blunder by me. I should have chosen something else so there wouldn't be the mix-up.
>>129624646You really knew all those pieces or did you look them up
>>129624669A few of them I pulled up recordings I'm familiar with or have in my library and looked for the right piece to use, so removed from the advantage of that context, there's probably a couple I myself wouldn't be able to get the answer right if someone else had made the post (like the Totentanz one, I originally was gonna use Via Crucis, but figured that was too easy). Otherwise I'm familiar with all of them, yeah.
>>129624703>Otherwise I'm familiar with all of them, yeah.You're on your way to becoming a new Hurwitz
>>129624706lolWhen I get into something I really get into it, so I spent the last few years exploring several classical recordings everyday, so you can see how that adds up to a wide knowledge of composers, pieces, conductors, and performers over time. On the flip, I'm clueless when it comes to music theory, so I'm still a relative pleb.a link to one of the pieces,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdve48nptNk
>>129624527>LobgesangMendelssohn>TotentanzLiszt>Norfolk RhapsodiesVaughan Williams>Luonnotar, Op. 70Sibelius>Berceuse heroiqueDebussy>Danse MacabreSaint-Saens>The SeasonsGlazunov>The Water GoblinDvorak
>>129624527?BrahmsIves?MendelssohnSibeliusLisztRavelVaughan Williams?SchumannSibeliusDebussySaint-SaensRespighiHaydnDvorak
>>129624731Nice! Surprised you got that Sibelius one and not the other, I'd believe the other is a more well-known piece.>>129624736Very nice! All difficult and obscure works you didn't get, including two operas and one choral-cycle (that I didn't even know existed for the longest time despite being a big fan of the composer until I randomly came across it one day).
also, interesting and amusing all three answers for The Seasons have been the three distinct pieces with that name lol, balanced representation
>>129624723I wish I was like that. Instead, my interests/obsessions come and go. I might go a week without listening to anything, let alone something new. This inconsistency makes everything harder, including learning music theory, as well as my other hobbies/projects/studies. I guess I seek novelty in the category of the things that I do. But when it comes to a category, I feel more comfortable repeating (e.g.listening to what I already know) so I constantly force myself to explore instead, I don't know why I do that.
WITHOUT CHECKING, who wrote that work?Piano Sonata No. 1
>>129624782obviously,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWhncBwxp2M
>>129624773>I guess I seek novelty in the category of the things that I do. But when it comes to a category, I feel more comfortable repeating (e.g.listening to what I already know) so I constantly force myself to explore instead, I don't know why I do that.Huh, on the face of it that seems contradictory. You would think you'd be more like one of the people constantly searching for new works and artists you haven't heard of yet.
Looks like there's a lot of great recordings of Wagner's Der Fliegende Holländer/The Flying Dutchman -- Solti, Konwitschny, Keilberth, Karajan, Klemperer, Sawallisch, Nelssons, Sinopoli, Dorati, Dohnanyi, Bohm, Levine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pWIQ1xFVxU&list=OLAK5uy_mUGt89Euybg6UC4h802d6GzyxiuSYpPmU&index=1Which one(s) do you guys recommend or prefer?
now playingstart of Brahms: Violin Concerto in D, Op. 77https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4NF0Rf2Htc&list=OLAK5uy_mhS3PzSv-R-KnNDn3fzYzqyrCDz6lPXDI&index=2start of Bartók: Rhapsody No. 1 for Violin and Piano, BB 94a (Sz.87) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO0960m7FS8&list=OLAK5uy_mhS3PzSv-R-KnNDn3fzYzqyrCDz6lPXDI&index=5start of Bartók: Rhapsody No. 2 for Violin and Piano, BB 96 (Sz.89) (1928, rev.1944)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_1eWCn1VQw&list=OLAK5uy_mhS3PzSv-R-KnNDn3fzYzqyrCDz6lPXDI&index=7start of Brahms: Hungarian Dances (selected; arr. for violin and piano)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWGwoFq6AZE&list=OLAK5uy_mhS3PzSv-R-KnNDn3fzYzqyrCDz6lPXDI&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mhS3PzSv-R-KnNDn3fzYzqyrCDz6lPXDI>His first concerto disc for Decca features the Brahms Violin Concerto, for which he is joined by one of the world s greatest orchestras and conductors, the Gewandhausorchester Leipzig and Riccardo Chailly. Leonidas is also accompanied by pianist Peter Nagy for Brahms timeless Hungarian Dances (No.s 1, 2 ,6 and 11) and Bartoks energetic Rhapsodies and Romanian Folk Dances two great composers hugely influenced by Hungarian folk music. Richly charismatic music in superbly spirited performances by musicians who have this repertoire in their blood.>Kavakos has, at his fingertips (or, perhaps more accurately, in his bow arm) both the silvery tone that many violinists prize, as well as a gutsy generous warmth where he needs it. His double stops are effortless, and his legato sounds as if he could draw it out forever. But most of all, he has the sense to use all this intelligently and to avoid anything showy. --The Washington Post on Kavakos s Brahms ConcertoA stellar recording featuring both one of the greatest violinists and one of the greatest conductors of this era, one I think every classical fan ought to have in their library.
De Pussys nocturnes suck
>>129625134It's The Bussy. Respect femboys.
Boccherini cappuccini
>>129625134>>129625134my rebuttalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE8_pvtaXNQ
Szeryng's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK7iMBWgG3I
>>129625612Mission failed This is actually what I was referring to.Now I shall go listen to Liszt's Consolations
>>129624316>GOATs>no one before Bach>r*ssians>fucking ligeti lmao
>>129624288when everyone becomes deaf, maybe
>>129626573>r*ssiansOpinion discarded.
>>129626573>>129626588You're such a spiteful vile chud
>>129626573>>129626588You're such an helpful smart anon.
Do so-called "neoclassical" composers like Max Richter or Johann Johannsson ever write sonatas or concertos, or is it all just pop forms and riffs for violins?
>>129627631Excellent question sister
>>129627631They are neo neo classicist or something
>>129626573Does ligeti make /classical/ seethe?https://youtu.be/bpOubpwv0CQ
>>129628143https://youtu.be/vU9eVSglhugOr if you want something orchestral, this also shows very well why ligeti is regarded so highly in terms of classical composers.He creates INSANELY atmospherical, otherworldly music in the most literal sense possible where at points you basically forget this is an actual orchestra performing it.But it's also not dissonance for the sake of dissonance, Ligeti does use harmony sparsely but in the most effective way possible where it seems like a moment of pure light/clarity. Like the part starting 5:48 for example
Ligeti was not a composer writing music. He was a scientist conducting sound experiments.
>>129628263Filtered.
>>129628263>bach was not a composer writing music. He was a mathematician writing counterpoint formulas.
Honestly, calling any member of the avant-garde a composer would be giving them too much credit.
>>129627203I top love "Sadness and Sorrow" from the Naruto OST
>>129628334https://youtu.be/mLYDXejbvJQIf you can't handle peak ligeti, stick to early ligeti.Early to mid Ligeti is basically a continuation of Bartoks ideas but taking them to their extreme and making them his own. >inb4 Bartok not a composer either
>>129628423>>129628263>>129628249>>129628143Ligeti? More like Spaghetti lmfaooo
actual GOATs
>>129628524these?
>>129628524Rubinstein, Horowitz, Argerich, GouldYa
classical should never be atmospheric, but that's just me
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9OUfBDIGhw
>>129628524
https://youtu.be/aDVuo7dHtocPeak Bach was the Brandenburg concertos. Prove me wrong
>Caption: The kitty hears the sublime sounds of Chopin's Nocturnes playing from Anon's room, and helplessly desires to enter the homehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHXxWfSAxik
>>129629095The Goldbergs exist
Bach top ten, off-the-dome, 3-8-261. Mass in B minor2. Well-Tempered Clavier3. Goldberg Variations4. Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin5. Suites for Solo Cello6. Art of Fugue7. St Matthew Passion8. St John Passion9. Keyboard Partitas10. BWV 140 CantataSorry, I don't really care for Brandenburg, and the other concertos miss the cut because they don't get grouped -- if you combined all of the Keyboard Concerti into one, then maaaybe they rank at 9
What's the best recording of Mass in B minor?
>>129629271https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT0fDB3PfjgThere are some other really good options too that you should try, but this is the usual consensus choice
pucchini, zucchini
>>129628739hmmmmm. noticing much?
listenin to some Haydn
>>129629453>The last performance Haydn attended [of his oratorio The Creation] was on March 27, 1808, just a year before he died: the aged and ill Haydn was carried in with great honour on an armchair. According to one account, the audience broke into spontaneous applause at the coming of "light" and Haydn, in a typical gesture, weakly pointed upwards and said: "Not from me—everything comes from up there!"truly a man of God
>>129629413What did you notice?
which blomstedt recording for Bruckner 9 (I am not asking for the best overall recording, just thr best Blomstedt recording)
>>129629863https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK6Vlea_VwU&list=OLAK5uy_lfO0D9nEkr5K3Y2guLjYSdcJG2JqDLlyE&index=33
>>129630007frontfacing wojakstedt
Do I dare turn the volume slider even higher?
>>129624637This is why you read the libretto.
>>129630353You would think watching a performance is even better. Not my fault the first one I picked happened to be the only one that uses a human representation of the woodbird wandering through the forest.
>>129630353>Wagner's librettos
The only scenario I could see myself ever just reading the libretto on its own is if this were the 70s, 80s, or 90s, and I've put on the LP/CD of the opera into my music player, and while sitting on the floor or in a chair, I read the libretto while listening to the music.
>>129624637it is a literal forest bird, yes. Siegfried can hear it because he acidentaly tasted Fafner's dragon blood, which is magical because, well, he's a dragon
>>129630383no good video productions of the Ring, sadly
>>129630439why can't you do that now?
>>129630452I got that second part, yeah. It's just in the performance I watched, there's a dancer wandering around the stage while the woodbird sings, so it gives the impression it's a forest spirit or forest nymph or something. I see I was mislead and wrong though.>>129630461pic
>>129630470Because I can easily download/torrent a video performance with subtitles. Which is why when I listen to the music, I focus solely on the music, and the libretto only comes into play when watching a performance.
>>129630473>hoowoota jawuyweeeeyaaa haeyeyaeha jojooootapeople take this man's work seriously
>>129630640my rebuttal,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgHey333zyI&list=OLAK5uy_kzSmwn1uwTwFuoE5Jnb3ckAMaY1FTLJnU&index=2
How is it that my brain can get tired of listening to a particular work, pressure me to change to some else, and when I do it's entirely refreshed? It's still classical music, what exactly am I getting tired of? Is it the key the piece is written in? Is that what my ears are fatigued from? It doesn't make much sense.
>>129630651music for twerps
>>129630651music for gods
>>129630828wait until you hear about RSI, it's gonna blow your peanut brain to spicy dust>>129631076gods are not real and those who disagree are twerps
>>129631082Listen. This is /classical/, not "plebbit". We only discuss patrician refined music here. You are on the wrong bus stop, but instead of being a civil individual and leaving, you are instead creating a "ruckus" for the other waiting passengers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMw0EjLFPXw Wagner showed us the dangers of being a "faustian" man, not with long essays and tedious literature, but with elegant sound and smooth instrumentation. You are the devil, "Mephistopheles" trying to seduce us poor souls into degeneracy.W.
>>129630640>fairy tale has fairy-like creatures speak in a strange languagewoooow what a bizarre artistic choice (I have never read a book, btw)
holy shit I'm actually gonna have to buy this thing. I can't download it for free anywhere in decent quality
>>129631158never heard of the conductor; dismissed
>>129631169it's obviously for the completion, lol. idiot
>>129631180But why not listen to Rattle or the Honeck bootleg that was posted here a while back?
>>129631197because they don't use Letocart's completion which has my favorite coda by far.
>>129631207Fair enough.
>>129624894For once, Levine has disappointed me.
>>129631146No one said anything about fantasy being a bizarre artistic choice. Harry Potter is also fantasy, and it's also lowbrow slop for twerps.>>129631105Get a new schtick
>>129631445Bait should be believableDogma should be defensibleRitual should be repeatableLiturgy should be legibleBelief should be beautifulWhat fulfils these conditions in the decadent modern world in which "God is Dead"? Answer: the holy poetry of Richard Wagner and his "Sacred Festival Stage Play" which transforms and supersedes religion.https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg?list=PL_Cf5Xxn5OZY1gE9zsWHAjXz6MVz9IZYS
>>129631461I'll listen to that Parsifal tonight. Kubelik rarely if ever disappoints. Shame he doesn't have a Ring cycle.
>>129631461Get a new schtick
>>129631581Is it truly music if it does not compel you to envision greatness? Is it truly music unless you start undressing yourself and dancing around like a nude mad chimp? Is it music unless it makes you feel sexually violated? Is it music if it does not make you shout and moan in orgasmic pleasure? Ask yourself this...where is the sex that you were promised? Where is the chosen messiah? Where?W.
>>129631476>Shame he doesn't have a Ring cycle.Even if he wanted to make one, Karajan and DG would have suppressed it out of jealousy, which is the reason both his Meistersinger and Parsifal never came to light.
>>129631604damn didn't know about that. Makes sense, Karajan being who he is.
Karajan, the aristocrat-conductorKubelik, the poet-conductorBernstein, the artist-conductor
What is Bruckner's official, objective, factually best 9th and why is it obviously and unarguably Orchestre de la Suisse Romande & Marek Janowski?
Anonymous, the retard
>>129631675Janowski lacks transcendence and poetry. Gimme Karajan, Honeck, Bernstein, Giulini, Skrowaczewski, or Kubelik any day.
>>129631675>>129631708https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K79gMhYhzQE
>>129631708>Janowski lacks transcendence and poetryGive examples
>>129631727I go off my intuition and gut impressions.
>>129631708>lacks transcendence and poetrysir this is music>Gimme hisscore/amerimutts or gimme deaf>>129631721Runn-O-de-mill>>129631738You go off ghosts and biases
>>129631742Which one is the 'hisscore'? Kubelik? His sounds great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB8H4MxmDxs&list=OLAK5uy_km3wj3zJHu8D_3MivcwHVjGw4pm6d9S28&index=6
>>129631675i hate to do this, anon, but,https://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-14170/https://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2015/Jul/Bruckner_sys_PTC5186520.htm
People here will literally trust what some random critic says over their own ears
>>129631817or the critic articulates how I feel
>>129631817Critics and people may have the same tools necessary to listen to and appreciate music, but the former are critics because they have found, through yeras of more or less systematised effort and education, ways to express what and how it is we feel in a way that can be both plain and accessible, and sometimes as poetic as the music itself. They are also capable of offering profound insight on the music, making it possible for one to enjoy at least an aspect of something they didn't enjoy, or indeed help someone who already enjoyed it enjoy it in a greater, more "complete" manner.You have no issue with critics. You have nothing against them. Your beef is with midwits with nothing but tangential knowledge/experience and a thesaurus being touted over the years, and especially since the dawn of the era of information, as particularly good critics when all they are is members of a race of particularly talented agitators.>mmuh bias, mug argumentum ad autoritittieseat shit bias-fallacy-having dork
>profound insight>HurwitzLMAO
>>129631783didn't click so I don't know what you're fretting so much bout
>>129631917I don't remember mentioning Hurwitz at all in my reply to, and only to this-- >>129631817>People here will literally trust what some random critic says over their own ears--post, but thanks for the contribution I guess
>>129631906decent bait
>>129631675unquestionably untouched
>>129631941Truth is the best bait
>>129631445>"get a new schitck">after choosing that spamming the word "twerp" will be his new personality
Wherefore does the enchanted forest sing its secrets to me? It tells me now that I am the king of the once and future world. The lark trills, the eagle screams, and the giggling nymphs bathe in the supernaturally blue waters of the Oracular Pool. I step forward to receive their vision, and lo! Ancient dragons, fairy castles! The yodelling bard walks a weary road, calling out for knights of faith to hear his melancholy and redeem the tragic renunciate with a sword of justice! The whole world is lost and reconquered before my very eyes.Alas, it is over too soon! This is but a foretaste of what awaits the pilgrim soul when he surrenders to the genius of Richard Wagner.https://youtu.be/iXUjuxF2oIY
>>129631958This just in: Calling a spade a spade is spamming. More on this exciting development afer the weather.
>>129631966
damn Gundula Janowitz is amazing
>>129631995>calling a spade a spade multiple times in a row wouldn't be spamming
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjbWVwactLw
brahms
Chop inHop in Op inPinInN
feels like a Siegfried -> Meistersinger -> Tristan und Isolde/Parsifal day
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0TPxMTJt4w
Beethoven's Appassionata is objectively better than his Les Adieux, but on an emotional level, I think I prefer the latter
90% of the classical music that came after that is trashhttps://youtu.be/bQHR_Z8XVvI?si=WyxeUvMAI2vgt0BW
>>129624527Szymanowskino clueIvesBrittenMendelssohn no clueno clue, maybe a Liszt piece?RavelDunno, but sounds like Vaughan Williams would writeDunno, but sounds like something from Holst's Indian periodChopin or Alkan, maybe?DebussySaint-SaënsRespighiGlazunovDvorak
>>129635122Not bad! Kudos on getting the first one. Seems I shouldn't have used Satyagraha, especially since it's a work I only found out about myself the other day when looking at other operas written by the composer lol.
>modern Wagnerian singing suc--ACK!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5wilTsajU0&list=OLAK5uy_ld7NvQfGzFbG89PsamIsP_6OoRtmIkW8E&index=27>Overall, this is undoubtedly the best Parsifal recording since Kubelik’s landmark 1980 version (Arts Archives 43027-2). Stylistically, it reminds me of Abbado’s approach to the piece, although he unfortunately only recorded a 40-minute Parsifal Suite for orchestra and chorus rather than committing the entire music drama to disc. Heras-Casado’s interpretation is far superior to other Parsifal recordings of recent years. Philippe Jordan’s version, despite some overlap in casting, is serviceable and unmemorable at best. Thielemann’s 2006 live recording suffers from his heavy-handed, unrhythmic conducting, a dreadfully unidiomatic performance by Domingo in the title role as well as intrusive stage noise. Janowski’s 2012 recording offers some interesting orchestral details but at times feels rushed and lacks dramatic tension. It simply cannot belie the fact that it is based on a concert performance.>In contrast, Heras-Casado presents Parsifal as gripping human drama rather than a quasi-religious ritual played out in slow motion. This makes his recording particularly appealing for those who are hearing the work for the first time. In line with the work’s motto, ‘Zum Raum wird hier die Zeit’ (‘Here time becomes space’), Heras-Casado’s performance allows the listeners to lose all sense of time without ever feeling that they have to sit through four hours of very challenging music.>Considering the quality of the orchestra, the conductor and the new generation of Wagner singers assembled here, this recording gives cause for optimism. It is to be hoped that the Bayreuth Festival will produce more recordings of this calibre. A promising sign is that Heras-Casado has already been engaged to conduct the next Bayreuth Ring cycle in 2028. ---- Stefan Schwarzhttps://musicwebinternational.com/2024/10/wagner-parsifal-deutsche-grammophon/
>>129635174this is like the 6th time you've said this and then proceeded to post the most mediocre example of singing possible
>>129635174More weak intonation. You should probably do a one to one comparison with a touchstone version before you post these claims.
quiet minor key = sadnessloud minor key = angerquiet major key = bittersweetnessloud major key = joy
>>129635201>>129635313I mostly just wanted to post the review excerpt.
Are Brahms' string quartets underrated?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zS2IGk3mFwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyplCHyt7JUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS-Jcz1TBD0
>>129635498sort of but they're so absurdly busy that I can't really blame people for bouncing off them.
New Hurwitz just droppedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcD3cQ3GK5o>The Five Worst Beethoven Conductors>Roy Goodman>Sergiu Celibidache>Kurt Masur>Hans Knappertsbusch>Mikhail PletnevNothing much to dispute nor anything controversial. Has anyone even tried any Beethoven by these guys?
>>129621449So what bach didnt write a lot of shit that he elevated
>>129621449>It was also composed originally for violin.interesting
>>129623096What did bach innovate His instructions in technique were done up as self contained works and thus were never adopted as alternative methods to fux's boring text
>>129635509Where's Karajan
>>129635588chillin' in Valhalla
5 works from various forms that if you don't like, you might not even be human>Bach - Cello Suite No. 1>Rimsky-Korsakov - Scheherazade>Wagner - Siegfried Idyll>Mozart - Requiem>Beethoven - Piano Trio No. 7, 'Archduke'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrsaNoWHTVMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApUuL-Fg0Wkhmm, should probably have a solo piano work, good candidate would be>Schubert - 4 Impromptus Op. 90, D. 899https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzCbLCVX0gA
>>129635388uh huhi'm onto your game
>>129635657oh shi---
>>129635509Huh, I like Masur's 5th
