Mozart editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_MXHFHf6x8This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious:>>129646190
The Mahler 9 finale has the power to change the world
>>129678008I coulda' sworn the album cover in that image was the Andras Schiff Piano Sonatas one, not that. Is this the Mandela effect? Are you messing with me, MahoAnon?
>>129678008Classical is poser shit and gets mogged by movie/vidya OSTs.
>>129678161So true braindead troon sister
>>129678008please forgive me for asking but what is the term for a modulation that is both modal and tonal?(e.g. E-Dorian to D-Phrygian)
>>129678008Went to a performance of Terry Riley’s In C by Maya Beiser. It was pretty hypnotic. Minimalism is fun if you want to clear your mind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9e-GoV3of8&list=PLjKP29rc3zNV4XaFUdKZegeGDOZpzlcfkhttps://open.spotify.com/album/5zLoS74FHZwSy8AngCaqGOAre there any In C performances you'd recommend? Especially if something string-focused.
>>129678248I recommend suicide 4 u.
>>129678247expanded tonality probably.
It's timehttps://files.catbox.moe/u9kzt0.mp3>This live performance of Tannhäuser is primarily of note because Karajan never made a studio recording of this opera and this is the only memento of him conducting it. It amply demonstrates his mastery of the score; he is particularly adept at revealing orchestral detail which can be obscured in Solti’s superb, but flashier studio recording seven years later. He begins with an overture in a typically grand manner compared with the febrile Solti, building to culminate in a splendidly weighty climax.
>>129677935Wobble isn't a technique. You may be confusing it with vibrato, which is not the same thing. Wobble is usually the result of a technically insecure singer utilizing vibrato, yes, but it isn't vibrato itself. We had decades upon decades of great opera singers that didn't wobble.
>>129678248Very cool, I actually posted this very recording here last year. Glad you liked it! Sadly I have no others to recommend you.
>>129678248>Maya Beiser>Maya Beiser x Terry Riley: In C>For Those Who Like: Steve Reich, cellos, magic mushrooms>The Story: It's pretty gutsy to take on a revered, pioneering piece of minimalism designed for a couple dozen people to play and reduce it to only a stack of cello loops and a pair or percussionists. But cellist Maya Beiser has triumphed, releasing one of the most groove-laden and listenable renditions of In C, Terry Riley's enduring 60-year-old score. And it's fitting that Beiser deploys loops for her version, given that the seeds of In C were sown in Riley's earlier experiments in cutting and looping tape.>The Music: Beiser's vision is all about pulses, drones and the low C string of her instrument, which tends to ricochet off drummers Shane Shanahan and Matt Kilmer. She likes to unfurl long, singing cello lines over oscillating beats, creating grooves with the power to intoxicate or get you wired for an all-night road trip. In one section, she interleaves her voice with cello in a nod to the medieval vocal technique of hocketing. In another, she distorts her instrument and amps up the beat, creating a kind of headbanging grunge moment. Along the way, Beiser cuts the engine to provide a couple of calming rest stops.https://www.npr.org/2024/12/06/nx-s1-5220085/npr-best-classical-albums-2024fun stuff
>>129678247At this point, if you're too dumb to use AI for that sort of question, you don't deserve an answer.
>>129678192you losthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6vWDz5NzOY
>>129678404the AI said there is not an agreed upon term.
cool recording I found, for those who want to listen to Wagner but aren't into operahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONVq-qWklEQ&list=OLAK5uy_nRaNG-qL3De0jgrAgt7SmhsQZnVCCw1gI&index=1>"The Ring - An Orchestral Adventure" is a symphonic version of Wagner's "The Ring of the Nibelung", arranged by Dutch composer Henk de Vlieger (*1953). De Vlieger chose the most important orchestral excerpts from the cycle and managed to link them together in such a way as to create an unified, single symphonic work. should be fun!
>Levine correctly identifies the two principal pluses of this recording as the conducting of Clemens Krauss and the superb singing cast which Bayreuth managed to assemble in 1953. He also notes that the fifty-year old mono sound is “excellent”, making the comment that “many believe it was the Decca records team that recorded all the Bayreuth performances in the ’50s.” This wish-fulfilling statement is fiction masquerading as fact. John Culshaw, the producer of the studio recording of the Solti Ring in Vienna which began five years later, notes in his autobiography Putting the record straight that Decca did indeed dispatch a recording team to Bayreuth in 1953, but after recording the dress rehearsal and opening night of Lohengrin they were recalled to London and a German team was substituted who promptly changed Decca’s microphone placements. The results were found “unacceptable for technical reasons” and Decca refused to issue them. Culshaw cites questions of balance, and elsewhere refers to the fact that at Bayreuth without careful microphone placement “the brass, which plays from an area under the stage, can sometimes sound muffled”. That is certainly the case here. Moreover in Ring Resounding Culshaw states that Gordon Parry persuaded the Decca authorities to record the Keilberth Ring in 1955 (recently reissued in stereo) with the implication that they needed persuasion since they were not accustomed to doing so.damn so the Krauss 1953 Ring could have sounded as good as the Keilberth 1955 Ring. Also has anyone checked out that Ring Resounding book? sounds cool
>>129678571>D*tchinto the trash it goes.
>>129678603oh no :(
>>129678603There's also a Fr*nch arrangement if you prefer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm6c_VI8CZI
now playingProkofiev: Romeo and Juliet, Op. 64: Dance of the Knights (Arr. for Solo Violin and Orch. by Tamás Batiashvili) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRfEvmYut6A&list=OLAK5uy_lPrEia97RMHPci2Qp649aX9H2cRA76Sss&index=2start of Prokofiev: Violin Concerto No. 1 In D Major, Op. 19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN5niZl7Vjw&list=OLAK5uy_lPrEia97RMHPci2Qp649aX9H2cRA76Sss&index=3Prokofiev: Cinderella, Op. 87: Grand Waltz (Arr. for Solo Violin and Orch. by Tamás Batiashvili)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAXecHoRpNw&list=OLAK5uy_lPrEia97RMHPci2Qp649aX9H2cRA76Sss&index=6start of Prokofiev: Violin Concerto No. 2 in G Minor, Op. 63https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maSnbKPj-ek&list=OLAK5uy_lPrEia97RMHPci2Qp649aX9H2cRA76Sss&index=6Prokofiev: The Love for three Oranges, Op. 33: Grand March (Arr. for Solo Violin and Orch. by Tamás Batiashvili)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny1Hp44DM6w&list=OLAK5uy_lPrEia97RMHPci2Qp649aX9H2cRA76Sss&index=10https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lPrEia97RMHPci2Qp649aX9H2cRA76Sss>Following her acclaimed album with the Staatskapelle Berlin and Daniel Barenboim, Tchaikovsky & Sibelius Violin Concertos, Lisa Batiashvili releases Visions of Prokofiev, a new album with the Chamber Orchestra of Europe conducted by Yannick Nezet-Seguin. The album features Prokofiev's two violin concertos as well as select movements from his famous ballets (Cinderella, Romeo and Juliet, The Love for Three Oranges), newly arranged for solo violin and orchestra by Lisa's father, Tam?s Batiashvili.I love these two concertos so much, not least because their anxious, funereal emotional timbre and gloomy, fantastic, modernist sonic color are unique in the entire classical repertoire. Highly recommended.
>>129678424Well, then that is likely the answer. You can also try deep research feature to find if some theorists have thought of a term. But terminology is beyond irrelevant. Just learn the concept.I know Palestrina "modulates" a lot between modes, maybe even keys, you should start there if you know the basics
For this morning's opera performance, we listen to Richard Strauss' Elektra conducted by Seiji Ozawa (I need to take a break from Wagner, don't wanna lose another day to listening to his Ring!). Strauss' operas seem to always have an abundance of fantastic recordings to choose from, and Elektra is no different. Solti, Bohm, Sawallisch, Sinopoli, Thielemann, Gergiev, Gardner, and there appear to be two historical bootleg recordings by Mitropoulos and Karajana on Orfeo. We go with Ozawa this time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmFNSc3n9Dk&list=OLAK5uy_k_XWEHhrjWxsyEh9xKifBgZ4z1j-wRRtA&index=1>Ozawas version of Elektra was recorded at live performances of the opera in Boston in 1988, using the stage cuts. Its great glory is the singing of Hildegard Behrens in the name-part, perhaps finer here than she has ever been on record. Hers is a portrayal that movingly brings out the tenderness and vulnerability in this character as well as the unbalanced ferocity. --The Penguin Guide
It's a good morning for Telemannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYxXDa5dsFo
>>129678603But im dutch :(
>>129678598Yes, I own both the Culshaw books. They're great reads. Also, the Keilberth Ring wasn't the only one they recorded. You can listen to the other Decca recordings made at the time as they've all been officially issued at this point. There's the Knappertsbusch 1951 Gotterdammerung and Parsifal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN44pWEsE68https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIXI5iKmfsQand the 1953 Keilberth Lohengrin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZrceG5BYI0Which should give you a good idea of what the Krauss Ring would have sounded like had it been recorded by their team during that year. I imagine they didn't make the cut for official release because the Bayreuth orchestra was simply not up to snuff in 1951 (the orchestra was even prepared by Karajan, but still made lots of mistakes).
>Editor's Caption: The kitty hears Beethoven's Hammerklavier playing in the indeterminate distance, and experiences its first sensation of the sublime in years. Its Weltanschauung is rocked, and when the kitty returns home to the litter it will leave its wife and children to move to Paris to write poetry and live the bohemian, artist lifestyle.
>>129680786>Yes, I own both the Culshaw books. They're great reads.damn nice>Which should give you a good idea of what the Krauss Ring would have sounded like had it been recorded by their team during that yearYeah you can actually hear the orchestra in equal detail! It's nice. Oh well, still plenty of other Rings to try. Listening to Simone Young's now, and gonna try Th*elemann's 2008 Bayreuth next, which I know is hated here.>(the orchestra was even prepared by Karajan, but still made lots of mistakes).Interesting.
>>129680967>Hans Knappertsbusch, Wieland Wagner, Herbert von Karajan & Wolfgang Wagner
>>129681003the HKWW2 gang
>>129678008kill yourself nonce
>>129678424>AI is even dumber than mecolour me surprised, slopbro
>>129681308don't be rude>>129678247in the future you might have better luck asking on /r/musictheory
>>129681308>AI is supposedly dumb because it spoke the truth>inb4 no rebuttalYou're a theorylet and a brainlet both at the same time.
>>129678090>hasWhenabout is it planning on getting on with it, then?Have some Oscar-Arthur Honegger, my latest shill endeavour:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu7NskuYF7Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2WmIoUeX1chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa5nMSrME-4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PjvRC6OGbohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl6ZnIDwKEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqSFBwBC0S0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_73erL8o_9whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4FmuobrUs4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AR8Y8bWFSwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKLcpEF29nQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbTdcWUTV4Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prxyp8EHITohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrDpP0Z2ojEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeqhKYRV7ughttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rocZ_0CayFohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcHHFH1AN_0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qFqUUQx2Lshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ddnp-GHn6Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJm2AEcbzIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vnhPVyMb38https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDy3brfTcIshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQw_xezqK_shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUGLqJEfJAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpT_I8tjxbQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTd_1GKeQg8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKYCB3PdLakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wjT1ycujT4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8FX5ZtnNMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iphzdVU9kEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLlg0r2wXuIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZRBxy6onXM
>>129681527>>129681335AI is as useless and pointless and unwanted as you slop-guzzling little mudpigs
So-called AI is quite useful in the specific scenario where you want to do something that many other people have already done before.
>>129681563>Whenabout is it planning on getting on with it, then?step 1: become a dictatorstep 2: mandatory attendance of classical concerts twice a monthstep 3: see society improve
>>129681612>muh AI badExtremely boring. Go comment on reddit.
Rzewski's The People United Will Never Be Defeated! has the power to change the world
>>129681879based comrade
Has anyone listened to this guy? Redpill me on Enescu.
*prances onto the stage**cough**clears throat*>test one, two. test one, two*taps mic*>ready, anon?muted:>y-yes.*conductor gives the thumbs up*>ahem>TRIIIIIIIIIISTAAAAAAAAANNN*rousing applause*that one guy:>bravo!>thank you.*saunters off the stage*
>>129682034https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpUu8eqdGg0&list=OLAK5uy_nrXGwoykTQ0rJcN5ETnixZPNQWjWWTSD0&index=6>GRAMMY-winning conductor Cristian Macelaru, Artistic Director of the George Enescu Festival, and his Orchestre National de France are the perfect ambassadors for the symphonic works by Enescu (1881-1955). Enescu, composer and violin virtuoso, has been called "The most amazing musician since Mozart." While the Romanian Rhapsodies included here are much loved (especially No. 1), the three symphonies are yet to be truly discovered as centerpieces of the symphonic repertoire. Digipak 3 CD set.review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-enescu-symphonies-nos-1-3-2-romanian-rhapsodies-cristian-macelaru/Really fun stuff. And he has some other pieces, like an octet and violin sonatas, but this is a good place to start.
I can't quite put my finger on why, but this Simone Young Ring is kinda dull, and in my experience, when one is left feeling this way, it's usually a result of the conducting. Women can't into Wagner? Maybe. Oh well. I'll still be keeping an eye on her career and listening to whatever recordings she puts out in the future. Now for which Ring to listen to next...
>man makes a bad recording"wow this guy sucks at conducting>woman makes a bad recording"wow women suck at conducting"
>>129682233I was teasing!
For today's opera performance, we listen to Puccini's Madama Butterfly conducted by Tullio Serafin. There's an anon here who's adamant this is the best recording of the masterpiece, so let's finally give it a try.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP38tRKSGZA&list=OLAK5uy_lGL8kMCFAWHTqvCxxMNhPRFG_HOYkHjo0&index=1gonna be tough to beat out Karajan, Barbirolli, Leinsdorf, and Sinopoli, but who knows? Maybe the singers are just that good.
>>129682233It's called racism
>>129682233>wow women suck at conductingThey do though.
>>129682282Is this an example of yellowface/cultural appropriation? where are the Asian opera singers for this role?
>>129682034he's great, try his chamber music first.>octethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7X0VhW11Fk>piano quartet 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROrTVflRMH8>piano sonata no. 1https://youtu.be/jaFP6xbl_hE?list=RDjaFP6xbl_hE&t=20>choral & carillon nocturnehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0GzEDSlLsg (best performance, but kinda muddy quality)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qDYn-2i6qI (Hamelin, not as good but better than most)>violin sonata 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zoy8H-1-ZA&list=RD7Zoy8H-1-ZA&start_radio=1 (played by his student)>Impressions D'enfance (one of the most radical pieces composed for the violin and piano, period)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUT6z3sJfGgas a general rule his works got more complicated as he grew older>>129682087yeah don't listen to this recording. it's bad in all sorts of ways
>women conductors suc--ACK!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8pcJp2jByI&list=OLAK5uy_no1om-CPfg-cDpDFGWNrS6J_XjlkDzRNo&index=1
>>129682353never heard her 7th but I did watch a live performance of that symphony with a female conductor and it was pretty good
Wagner is the My little pony of classical
>>129682352>yeah don't listen to this recording. it's bad in all sorts of waysbut do you see the way he's balancing that baton? he balances and controls the music with the same totalityidk I liked it but I haven't heard the Rozhdestvensky set
>>129682282so, is it good?
>>129682378Of course, it's Puccini's Madama Butterfly. A top-tier performance of it? We shall see, I'm only nine minutes in.
>>129682364Admittedly, the piece is near conductor-proof -- you can't make the first two movements sound bad. Of course you can make it sound even greater, but the floor is pretty high.
>>129682353mid>>129682374it has terrible sound quality with really muddy balances, and the interpretation itself is nothing special, very insensitive to Enescu's tempo shifts and exquisite orchestration. there are no great Enescu symphonic sets, though. Rozhdestvensky's is also bad, terribly dull and slow; frankly speaking modern conductors cannot handle Enescu, his music needs someone in the old French style, someone like Monteux would have been ideal. even Karajan (who was friendly with Enescu) would have been a better fit than most modern conductors. Lintu's is the only decent set and that's with a bunch of asterisks attached to it.
>>129681819>nom nom slurp slurp oink oink
>>129682034>Has anyone listened to this guy?No. No one. Not even himself. NO one in the history of history has ever listened to that guy. Anyone tells you otherwise they're lying
>>129681819>truth MUST be entertainingthis is your brain on slop
Has anyone listened to this guy? Redpill me on Martinů.
https://voca.ro/1fqvNKbMdN7ydoes anyone recognize this? I tried with AHA and audiotag but it didn't work
>>129684389sounds like some generic-ass, probably female-fronted pop music, not gonna lie, anon
>>129684389inception soundtrack or like a pharmaceutical company commercial
>>129684389Ai generated sloppa, but I bet chopindian would like it
>>129684282Great symphonies that are largely indistinguishable, odd but interesting string quartets.
>>129684282his Piano Concertos are his best works
>>129682332busy being forced to play violin/piano
It's sh-OPEN, not show-PAWN
I used to listen to classical with the volume slider on my streaming service around 1-3 notches out of like ~20-25. Now I just set it to a couple notches from completely maxed. What the hell happened? Obviously, you get used to higher volumes incrementally; you turn it up, you get used to it, you have to turn it up again if you want the same effect, but goddamn, I never thought I'd get to this level. Hope it's not an ear issue.
>>129685147You're gonna be effectively deaf within six years. This is a promise. I can see the future.
>>129685511Well I was planning on calling it on my life in 9 years anyway, so that's not so bad!
>>129685553If only more people here were like you, anon
>>129685588I just realized every time I listen to Wagner's Ring, I'm spending 1/~3200 remaining days in this life on it. Oh shi---
>>129685602Damn, you could be using that time to listen to music instead
>>129685612Joke's on you, I don't read or follow the libretto, so the voices are the equivalent of the strings, horns, winds, percussion, and brass as instruments. Opera *is* absolute music to me.
>>129685612zing!
>>129685624>Joke's on youI'm not the one listening to Wagner or planning my suicide>Opera *is* absolute music to me.Damn, you could be using that time to listen to good* music instead then
>>129685647>Damn, you could be using that time to listen to good* music instead thenWell, that's what the other 3k days are for!
>>129684676no it isn'tit's shoh-PUHn
bored, so let's check the front page of The Classic Review and see what's newSome interesting stuff. Let's check out the first one, top five recordings of Mozart's 40th>Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra, Leonard Bernstein>Scottish Chamber Orchestra, Sir Charles Mackerras>English Baroque Soloists, John Eliot Gardiner>Columbia Symphony Orchestra, Bruno Walter>Concentus Musicus Wien, Nikolaus HarnoncourtBernstein yes, Walter yes, yikes on the HIP Gardiner and Mackerras, haven't tried Harnoncourt's. I guess they have to have a fair representation of the spectrum, in which case, two traditional, one full HIP, and two HIP-adjacent, it's not bad.Next one, symphonies by one Elsa Barraine conducted by the same conductor as this post >>129682087 he's done some decent things (eg Smetana, Rachmaninoff)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uD1pyK1J38&list=OLAK5uy_kPT8LjHw0-BN506uZ0ryJbdNxJwK-P2xM&index=9review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-elsa-barraine-symphonies-1-2-orchestre-national-de-france-cristian-macelaru/the other two recordings on the image I can check out later.
>>129686081Mackerras is good. Why the yikes?
>>129686174I don't care for that swift, thin, classical sound that's built for the baroque and classical era (yes, even for Mozart). But you're right, that's more my own tastes, as opposed to Gardiner who's an objective yikes for orchestral conducting, so I should recognize Mackerras is good for those into his style.
>>129686036No, it's szO-pehn
>>129686174because HIP is WOKE
>>129686258You got it backwards, HIP is neo-fascist. Traditionalism and romanticism is the absolute dream of the Enlightenmen.
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 30 in E Major, Op. 109https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFu0i9UtywY&list=OLAK5uy_m1k6lc6mD_vt2_bHA4qcMkjbIIJRT__Og&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 31 in A-Flat Major, Op. 110https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imfiX4B5FTo&list=OLAK5uy_m1k6lc6mD_vt2_bHA4qcMkjbIIJRT__Og&index=5start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 32 in C Minor, Op. 111https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKICpPCR9g8&list=OLAK5uy_m1k6lc6mD_vt2_bHA4qcMkjbIIJRT__Og&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m1k6lc6mD_vt2_bHA4qcMkjbIIJRT__Og>Regarded as one of the finest interpreters of classical and romantic repertoire, Imogen Cooper is internationally renowned for her virtuosity and lyricism. Dame Imogen writes:'It has taken many years for me to perceive the last three sonatas by Beethoven as the evolving journey I now feel them to be. A combination of wariness of Op. 109 and overawe of Op. 111 kept me solely concentrated on Op. 110, which I can hardly regret. Nor do I regret thereby coming late in life to Opp. 109 and 111. Having come to see the shortcomings of my perception as surmountable, I found that the joys and riches of these wonderful works presented themselves with much more vivid colours than had I tussled with them whilst I was tussling with myself. The case was, incidentally, similar with the "Diabelli" Variations, Op. 120, which I finally approached and embraced in my sixties, with crystal clarity of intention and unadulterated joy. Now it would be hard for me to play any of the last three sonatas alone, so potent is the journey from first to last. And how privileged my hands feel, having wondered and wandered in the heavenly heights of the last pages of Op. 111, to travel down the keyboard and bring this astonishing last sonata, and indeed the whole body of thirty-two sonatas, to a close, with a quiet chord of C major - no long note value, no fermata. Just silence.'
Just listened to Bernsteins Mahler 7What did I think of it?
>>129686449Drags on a bit. The 7th works better as a rhythmic waltz (think Abbado/Chicago, Kondrashin, Kubelik) rather than a soundscape. At least go middleground if you must (Chailly, MTT/London, Rattle).But some people really love it, so up to you.
bernstein who? this is my B-Godhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3O43lBAEEE&list=OLAK5uy_l8lqAeQVESAQfCAkhWrjWxYdmb2nCzZuI&index=4
For tonight's final opera performance, we listen to Wagner's Lohengrin conducted by Sir Colin Davishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r1AbH5sX0I&list=OLAK5uy_mMbtBIMX16VLdgSm_Kbsnrv8QTrDZ3eIQ&index=7
One day AI will be powerful enough to where you can create your own opera performances, with selected singers and orchestra, and your own custom designed set. A Wagner Ring where it takes place at a High School and the Ring is actually an iPhone or a vape? You can do that. A Don Giovanni that takes place in feudal Japan? You can do that. All with your ideal singers, conductor, and orchestra, played at your own custom tempo and quantity of vibrato.>pic: my custom dream Tannhauser I made in OperaAI just now
>>129686910>mmmmnomnom sloppy slop for the piggy pigcan't wait for you to be taken to the slaughter
>>129686275You make no sense and understand no thing
>>129683496But enough about your habits>>129683588Who are you quoting, retard?
Was listening to this lovely piece againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CshzOke45ESaid it before but Liszt's orchestral work is fantastic and overlooked
>>129687141You wrong, I know much, I learned lot. HIP is fascist, Karl Ricker is God for me.
>>129686449you think you should've listened to Alexandre Bloch instead
>>129686554how was that Butterfly earlier
>>129687464But Karl Richter is barely HIP at all. Most he does is use a harpsichord and even then its a 20th century harpsichord which sounds way different (and cooler imo) to the harpsichords used in the baroque period.Also his performances of the cantatas are so un-HIP they border on just being stokowski'd
Louis Spohrhttps://youtu.be/seeFslJ4V7g
>>129687605...right, which is why he's God. He's not HIP!
>>129687514based
>>129687520I didn't really care for it, particularly the male singer.
now playingstart of John Williams: Violin Concerto No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voaJeGOOmow&list=OLAK5uy_mRu8Urr2gUySDvxuczGM8YQtEb4_WR7ys&index=2John Williams: Theme (From "The Long Goodbye")https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsyLGk18PPw&list=OLAK5uy_mRu8Urr2gUySDvxuczGM8YQtEb4_WR7ys&index=6John Williams: Han Solo and the Princess (From "Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back")https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awzlYLn7nLg&list=OLAK5uy_mRu8Urr2gUySDvxuczGM8YQtEb4_WR7ys&index=7John Williams: Marion's Theme (From "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark")https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMFdOW68pZw&list=OLAK5uy_mRu8Urr2gUySDvxuczGM8YQtEb4_WR7ys&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mRu8Urr2gUySDvxuczGM8YQtEb4_WR7ys>Celebrated violinist Anne-Sophie Mutter introduces a new concerto by her friend and frequent collaborator John Williams, with the legendary composer himself conducting the Boston Symphony Orchestra. Composed especially for Anne-Sophie Mutter, John Williams's Violin Concerto No. 2 is the culmination of several years of collaboration and friendship between two of the world's most celebrated musical artists.This will probably end up being a mistake but it at least warrants a try.
thielemann a hack
>>129689778When it comes to soi wars music, I like the music in the prequels a little better, I think it does a better job creating a musical arc across the three films (Which makes sense because Williams was at least let known that it was gonna be a trilogy from the start this time around) and just overall feels more carefully thought out and artistically mature than the OT music.https://youtu.be/7wMiMDBHnJ0https://youtu.be/2MqBvcjxJ70https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHuD5y-PZM0But generally so'y wars' music is absolutely fantastic and the main reason I come back to those films (That and Lucas's shitty charm whose passion is infectious despite all of it's glaring flaws).
>>129686488>>129687514You're right I didn't enjoy it and should've listened to someone else
>>129689950Those are some nice pieces.
>tfw discovered another obscure avant-garde early-mid baroque composerIs there a better feeling classical?
>>129692002Yeah, listening to Chopin's nocturnes, ballades and scherzi.
>>129692043Damn, we got a gay nigga in the vicinity.
>>129689778>>129689950As a BABIAAfaggot, I'm a unashamed John Williams enjoyer and i will die on that hillhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMeuMPXrYZE&list=PLonU6sZXHsfoS-jtDd9kFwqw-F_pSczK9&index=42Here's the actual Star Wars goat though,
>>129692104I just have a sophisticated musical taste.
>>129689455Bergonzi? He's usually great (though I haven't heard this Butterfly)
>>129692043Holy based
>On September 2, 1791, while he was in London, Kotzwara visited a prostitute named Susannah Hill in Vine Street, Westminster. After dinner with her in her lodgings, Kotzwara paid her two shillings and requested that she cut off his testicles. Hill refused to do so. Kotzwara then tied a ligature around the doorknob, the other end fastened around his neck, and proceeded to have sexual intercourse with Hill. After it was over, Kotzwara was dead. His death is one of the first recorded deaths from erotic asphyxiation.what in the
>>129692511based
Marek Janowski on modern opera productions: >Germany is still very avant-garde in that approach to opera, and during my whole operatic years (which have been finished for quite a long time), I've always had enormous doubts in general concerning this approach to opera: transforming opera into something more "interesting" concerning our current life situation.>I had a couple of key experiences—in the bad sense of the word—that finally pushed me to the decision of giving up conducting opera in the pit. It brought me closer and closer to this. I have always had, also as a very young and inexperienced conductor, problems with the approach of some German stage directors putting the plot of an opera into a completely different era of time, which always stylistically has a link to the composer's approach to writing music for that plot. That was always very complicated for me to accept. It has been very difficult for me to accept that perhaps the Der Rosenkavalier story takes place in the middle of the 20th century. I've always been a little bit distant. Of course, I have lived with brilliant Mise-en-scènes from great former stage directors, but I had a couple of experiences that made me think more and more: Is it such a good idea to remain in this very special German mainstream opera philosophy of nowadays?>Very often I think that the piece produced is only used to promote the stage director's ideas on the first pages of the cultural press. I think that is a very wrong development. I can't do anything about it, but I saw many years ago that this was, from my point of view towards opera, a lost case. So I decided to completely quit this situation and, from time to time, do operas that justify being played in concert versions.
are Schnittke's symphonies any good? any particular recordings you'd recommend?
>>129693933>any particular recordings you'd recommend?The shortest one.
>>129693933The Segerstam set of course
>>129693679Yeah he's probably right. If you want a new setting, stage a newer opera!>So I decided to completely quit this situation and, from time to time, do operas that justify being played in concert versions.So a Tannhauser where the singers are stationary like a soloist from a choral movement from a symphony? That's pretty dope.
>>129694593at that point just listen to a recording with better singers
>>129694593Concert versions of operas happen from time to time. The famous 1953 Furtwangler Ring was a concert recordings, so was the 1948 Moralt Ring. They usually do them one act a time with the longer works, so as to give the singers a break and ideally you get the best vocal performance out of them that way. And less distracting stage noises and so on. It's a shame Janowski's 2nd Ring recording is so vocally compromised because orchestrally it's absolutely brilliant.
There's something poetic about the trajectory of opera recordings. You have the older era with barely audible orchestra and heavenly singing, and then contemporary with heavenly orchestra and barely listenable singing. If you drew it on a graph, it'd be an X, with the mid-point being the generation of Solti, Karajan, Bohm, et al.
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzqQSzK87R8&list=OLAK5uy_lmabqW2W_hb0K3QPxlftQWX_RBbXb1UfU&index=24
>>129694632>The famous 1953 Furtwangler Ring was a concert recordings,Huh I hadn't noticed, though I do feel like I read it in a review but forgot by the time I finished listening to it lol.>It's a shame Janowski's 2nd Ring recording is so vocally compromised because orchestrally it's absolutely brilliant.I'll have to check it out. I'm finally starting to become picky (like you guys). I tried Thielemann's second Ring with Vienna State earlier and it was dreadful. Probably the worst I've heard so far. Tapped out partway through the first act of DW. Still gonna try his 2008 Bayreuth set though.
For today's opera performance, we listen to Verdi's La Forza del Destinooverturehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWEq9VbT-m8&list=OLAK5uy_n_epLwd5I1sPE4vNU3AxL2TIm2_hkjoXA&index=2opening vocal movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dya5mgGWMQQ&list=OLAK5uy_n_epLwd5I1sPE4vNU3AxL2TIm2_hkjoXA&index=2I was listening to the Sinopoli recording but I didn't like the female singer. She had that Leontyne Price thing going on where the voice itself is divine but the intonation sounds like she's doing a parody with marbles in her mouth. Maybe I've just been listening to too many recordings with Price in it lol. Anyway this one is much easier on the ears. For me at least.
Chopin - Piano Sonata No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGJxmCOPFVM
>>129689455you didn't like Bergonzi?!
>>129692479>>129695448I-I'll give it another try!!
>>129695552don't vorce yourself man everyone's got their taste
>>129695635Normally I'd agree but this reaction image >>129695448is too compelling, I'll give it another shot next time I'm in the mood
I always hear people saying mass in b is bachs best work but its just not really clicking for me. Some parts are alright but for the most part its just boring choral music. Meanwhile I love nearly every minute of Handels Messiah.Does it just take more listens? Ive only listened through it about three times complete
>>129695919listen to it at 5 am on easter challenge
>>129695919>Gardinerthat's your problem, they're fuckin' worshipping a sheep!tryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ9n7htHAPk&list=OLAK5uy_lkVIugWC3I4uXD8ZE__LgxOY_JO84o4_I&index=12oooooh yeah. Makes me wanna go to church and be a good Christian just listening to this.
What else is similar to the John Field and Chopin Nocturnes?
>>129695919>Some parts are alright but for the most part its just boring choral music.I mean this is why the whole choral/lieder/opera divide exists in the first place. If you don't like choral, you don't like choral. Consider the following: You should try Haydn's The Creation, that's more like Handel's Messiah.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecshI5gWfvQ&list=OLAK5uy_myW9GrXaEf_PpS9xraprLYK5cyWulb_-c&index=3
>>129695990That album cover is so good. Christ casually going,>Yes but have you considered the divine existence of all that is Good and Holy?
>>129695977Faure's Nocturnes, and this recording (which actually opens up with John Fields', Chopin's, and Faure's Nocturnes, respectively),https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9spCT6YAjrk&list=OLAK5uy_mnftq5eAN91D3T3LP5c0es2KyBeH_Xt00&index=55
>>129695990>>129695999>you got any proof this so-called God even exists??>*sigh* *summons portal to platonic realm*>:O
Is it worth getting into atonality? What are some early artists that have elements of it but dont dive in completely
>>129696199https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmDlGYj0y1Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0GzNmf_AUwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VMIhkU_XpQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8-ZOFCKZXA
>>129696051Thanks
>>129696219thanks, do you have some context, is this proto-atonality or are we jumping right into it
>>129696236A precursor.
>>129696246You mean there is stuff more atonal than that Schönberg piece? Damn
>>129696275that one isn't even atonal at all; it's in D minor
>>129696275Compared to Schoenberg's fourth string quartet, it's actually somewhat conventional!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L85XTLr5eBEAnyway, for the full deal, here's an examplehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eVLgej2l3kSo should you get into atonality? No, unless you're a modern composer or musician. Now, stuff influenced or adjacent to atonal can be cool, like the Second Viennese School stuff I linked above.
>>129696341Why did they make this in the first place? I get feeling limited by conventional music "rules" but this seems like the extreme other end of things where they purposely avoid tonality.
>>129696275>Schoenberg Quartet 1>atonalRetard
>>129696390Artists in a race to the bottom to be original, anxiety of influence and running out of ideas, high art becoming increasingly insular and academic, outright pretention, etc.But to the charitable, you could say it's a natural evolution of the early chromaticism and modernists ideas. For example, check this out,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2gz_cp9sMkSo then you get to stuff like the SVS (Schoenberg, Berg, Webern) posted above and Shostakovich,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0nKJoZY64Aand Bartok,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knd04_iYTGcAnd from there you can see how it's a natural evolution toward Ives, Schnittke, Eliott Carter, and real atonality.>>129696429Can you calm down? They said they're still figuring this stuff out, and the Schoenberg SQ1 was merely a relative example, which if you're new to, can be quite a shock. Don't be so rude.
Is Rachmaninov's 1st symphony actually bad? Its premiere was so disastrous it got the composer clinically depressed and made him retire from composition for years until he received hypnotic treatment.My standard of good/bad Russian symphonies, for comparison, is that Tchaik 1 and 2 are good, Tchaik 3 is bad, and Tchaik Manfred, 4, 5, and 6 are impeccable seminal masterpieces in the symphonic repertoire - as is Rach's own 2nd.)
>>129696514I like it but I'm a pretty big Rachmaninoff fan, and I wouldn't be upset for anyone not liking it. It's certainly better than a lot of the other mediocre Russian Romanticism symphonies.
my month so far:1. wake up2. listen to Ring3. sleep4. repeathttps://files.catbox.moe/5ryxqo.flac
>>129696523Do any of said mediocre Russian Romantic symphonies happen to be by Balakirev, perchance?Can't find the source but I read somewhere that Balakirev's 1st symphony takes a really jank approach to sonata form, like the key or subject order
>>129696562>Do any of said mediocre Russian Romantic symphonies happen to be by Balakirev, perchance?his, Kalinnikov, Borodin, Glazunov, Myaskovsky, take your pick. All listenable when I'm in the mood, but even in Rach 1 and Tchai 1-3 there is so much more originality and great music.
>>129696552I would actually like that Ring if Behrens wasn't so shit. The rest of the cast is alright iirc and Sawallisch is a stylish conductor
>>129696591Your Wagner knowledge is intimidating, knowing exactly which one that's from. I listened to a bit of it earlier today and it sounded great to me but I decided I'm gonna finish this Simone Young cycle first before listening to it.
>>129696591>and Sawallisch is a stylish conductorIt has a nice momentum to it.
>>129696606Oh, it's just mental illness. Don't be intimidated, if anything use me as a warning and run away while you can. You can still turn back.>>129696620Yes, and also the acoustic is quite pleasant and you get to hear a bit more detail than usual.
>>129696591Behrens is not that bad, but yeah she is far from ideal
>>129696646kek well I find it impressive.
now playingFauré: Violin Concerto, Op. 14: I. Allegrohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKiXvne-idQ&list=OLAK5uy_nh84guUHT92kEfkEfSWlp_AeGrKnKUjV0&index=2start of Fauré: Masques et Bergamasques, Op. 112https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y05zBH89Dh0&list=OLAK5uy_nh84guUHT92kEfkEfSWlp_AeGrKnKUjV0&index=3Fauré: Elégie, Op. 24 (Version for Cello and Orchestra)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEgxHo0x0KM&list=OLAK5uy_nh84guUHT92kEfkEfSWlp_AeGrKnKUjV0&index=8start of Fauré: Pelléas et Mélisande Suite, Op. 80https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKzIBmDJ2w0&list=OLAK5uy_nh84guUHT92kEfkEfSWlp_AeGrKnKUjV0&index=8Fauré: Ballade, Op. 19 (Version for Piano and Orchestra)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cxt0MGRgnQ&list=OLAK5uy_nh84guUHT92kEfkEfSWlp_AeGrKnKUjV0&index=12Fauré: Pavane, Op. 50 (Version for Orchestra)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzOP5vxV4Hg&list=OLAK5uy_nh84guUHT92kEfkEfSWlp_AeGrKnKUjV0&index=13Fauré: Berceuse, Op. 16 (Version for Violin and Orchestra)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLBuIB0-Bmg&list=OLAK5uy_nh84guUHT92kEfkEfSWlp_AeGrKnKUjV0&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nh84guUHT92kEfkEfSWlp_AeGrKnKUjV0>Since early childhood, the works of Gabriel Faure have been a source of constant wonder and inspiration for fellow French virtuoso, Renaud Capu?on. Together with treasured colleagues Guillaume Bellom and Julia Hagen, as well as his cherished Orchestre de Chambre de Lausanne, Capu?on pays homage to his lifelong compositional hero through a release that celebrates familiar classics, while also spotlighting rarely-hear gems.Very interesting tracklist/program. I'm surprised for as much Faure I've listened to, I didn't know this unfinished Violin Concerto existed. Should be good!
When Russians finally started getting into classical music they incorporated a lot of folk music into it. Is there something like that but for like Eastern Asian folk music? Or do asians just not write classical
>>129696812try akira ifukube
>>129696812I'll show you but brace yourself, okay?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5GpQ7cugHUand then of course there's the very /classical/-approved Takemitsu but I assume you already know himhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_JkZs1Ku9c(oh hey, this one actually has some folk elements like you want)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boP9bl3FoaEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPLnnmwqvmA
*prances onto the stage**cough**clears throat*>test one, two. test one, two*taps mic*>ready, anon?muted:>y-yes.*conductor gives the thumbs up*>ahem>SIIIIIIEEEGMUUUUUUND*rousing applause*that one guy:>bravo!>thank you.*saunters off the stage*
what to listen to sleep tonight...
Wait, wait, wait -- the composer Samuel Coleridge-Taylor is not only not the romantic poet and critic Samuel Taylor Coleridge, but is also black? My mind is blown.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kR7CSq7Szkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG2OyyFPkbchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkvPaTgwvOg
>>129678008havergal brianhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNlrUPMP6Ww
>>129696514I really gotta start listening to Rach properly, I have yet to listen to a full cycle of both his concertos and symphonies. I'm too germanically focused in my listening.
>>129697695Time to start embracing the heart instead of just the mind, MahoAnonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x0SSK_UWxU
>>129697728Hate this stupid cliché. I've been brought to tears by multiple German composers and never once by Rachmaninoff.
Baroque was the last real era of classical music. Beethoven wrote pop music
>>129696514As a big Rach fan, I don't really like it. It's well structured, probably his most classical, has some genuinely nice moments, like that canon in 1st movement, but all in all every time I think of a Rach symphony it's 2, or 3. I just don't enjoy the 1st taken as a whole. The recurring motif at the beginning of every movement also makes me uncomfortable.>>129697785>brought to tears by multiple German composers and never once by Rachmaninoff.If the slow movements of Rach 2, 3 concerti, cello sonata, 2nd symphony don't do it for you, then there might be something wrong with you desu.
>>129697728Also, I similarly hate this cliché. There is as much mind in Rachmaninoff as any other great composer. You might be too illiterate to see it, or just regurgitating some russophobic narrative, but it's just not true.
>>129697827>As a big Rach fan"As a big retard"
they should rename this symphony "Tehran"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8L6q6ODgKw
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Puccini's Turandot conducted by Tullio Serafinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNaiJ19kH44&list=OLAK5uy_mCVnRUTgrvLGYmIFYEF-lIRm3G1iOTv-Y&index=14
>>129696390After WW2, if you made tonal music people would call you a fascist, at least in Europe.
now playingstart of Bruckner: Symphony No. 5 in B-Flat Major, WAB 105https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YTANkHBcN8&list=OLAK5uy_mStzPZrBJ5rlruz6-DzFz7uiJKNfYrgAo&index=1https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mStzPZrBJ5rlruz6-DzFz7uiJKNfYrgAo>What we have on the present disc is a quite magnificent account of Bruckner's most difficult symphony. So clearly does Young present its progress that one is able to follow the unique structure. ---- Dave Billinge, MusicWeb
I'm 50/50 on whether when critics/reviewers talk about things like the conductor "has a great sense of the architecture of the work", "has a great sense of proportion of the structure", or "has a handle on the overarching view of the piece" it actually means something or it's pure filler compliments. I mean I know what it means in theory, that the conductor goes fast or slow or hits X part hard or soft to set up Y part later, but still, I have my suspicions... you read any review of any Haitink review and they always say this about him lol.
Chopin's Piano Trio, yay/nay?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdIX7v1KIG0
>>129698132Maybe Haitink is just that good.
>>129698015Which I've never understood because academic atonal music is the least working class music ever conceived.
>>129698468Nonsense, I heard the construction workers in my city whistling Schoenberg just yesterday.
>>129698468You know that quote about writing poetry after Auschwitz? It's a similar deal here.
went down to the local labor union offices and everyone there was humming Schnittke's Invisible Mass
>>129698470damn, J's really are the main characters, huh
>gommunism failed because they didn't play enough Schoenberg, jazz is shit, Beethoven and Mozart keep you numb to the exploitations and dominion of Capital
Why are these modern Rings mixed so weird? Please, someone tell me if I'm crazy or not, you listen to this,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5w-CCiJWr4&list=OLAK5uy_n6PP2rTx8JeNvvtHIiRTSjpVdaiuk0CZ0&index=56and it's loud and clear, you think you have the right volume, and then the next comes on,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0y-KBzleBE&list=OLAK5uy_n6PP2rTx8JeNvvtHIiRTSjpVdaiuk0CZ0&index=56and you can't hear shit. Is it just my system? Can someone confirm I'm not nuts?
*Reproduces your work of art mechanically*gg Frankfurt school no re
>>129698551Celibidache was a W. Benjamin disciple this entire time and I never saw it.
>>129698545The orchestra in the second one sounds about the same to me, it's just that the voice sounds kind of far away from the mike.
>>129698584Hmm okay thanks for checkin'. Maybe it is just the voices.
>>129698545nvm, I'm giving up on this cycle too. fug, hate to admit it but maybe you guys are right that modern Ring cycles and Wagner as a whole suck.Now time to try the Sawallisch cycle, which I am very excited forhttps://files.catbox.moe/l40avc.flacThen after this, maybe back to Bohm or Karajan. Once I've tried them all, then I'll finally return to Solti's.
these images that come with the boxset in the sleeves are so cool. there's 11 so I won't post them all but here's a few
and 1 more for now, very aesthetic
>>129696591>>129680786have you tried the Sir Mark Elder/Halle set? It seems to been released under-the-radar, at least compared to most other modern Ring cycles. He also has a Parsifal and Lohengrin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wLqFItz7b4&list=OLAK5uy_lGZhqd0bh5p9Sf5Ty_5Sh-ATp5TgHOlmI&index=2
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmaKjefjYlI&list=OLAK5uy_m6weSpAMU9zZv_dmJYoDd0XCPDv1XmfWs&index=10I've come to like this Nocturnes set more and more over time. I used to consider it almost a throwaway compared to the more serious and substantial contenders for top-tier sets like Pires, Hough, Mirovec, Arrau, Fliter, but it's risen in my estimation quite a bit since then.Thoughts, RachAnon?
>>129699082I probably should have included a link to his performance of the 4th Ballade too since it's on the same recording (as seen on the cover) and it's a fan favorite that everyone loveshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxx9272GaBc&list=OLAK5uy_m6weSpAMU9zZv_dmJYoDd0XCPDv1XmfWs&index=25
Just came across this neat multimedia performance of Bach's Goldberg Variations. I don't really care for this stuff -- I'm just gonna listen to the recording without the video -- but someone here might be into it, I'm sure it's very well done.>Goldberg Visions, Multimedia Concert>Irina Lankova, piano>Isabelle Françaix, video>At the end of his life, Bach imagined thirty variations from an Aria, between its initial appearance and its final metamorphosis. >Each variation is a tireless quest for simplicity, sometimes to the point of abstraction. >Each vision embodies on screen our fundamental connection with nature, the mystery of the passing time, and our fragility.>A grand piano, a large screen, thirty-two fleeting moments, images and music intertwined.https://youtu.be/8sku0yiWN9Q>At the end of his life, Bach imagined thirty variations from an Aria, between its initial appearance and its final metamorphosis. We can consider them as a sensitive and spiritual journey, even as a life cycle. >By imagining a visual counterpoint to the Goldberg Variations, I thought of Yi Jing, the Classic of Changes: “… this book born more than 3000 years ago in China reconstitutes n sixty-four hexagrams the wheel of the multiple existential states that confronts every human being through the combination of eight elements: sky, earth, water, fire, mountains, mist, thunder and wind. In the East as in the West, the exploration of self often starts within the relationship with nature. >A grand piano, a large screen, a few subtle and discreet lights: we captured thirty-two fleeting moments, image and music intertwined. >Each variation is a tireless quest for simplicity, sometimes to the point of abstraction. Sensual and lively, it reaches to our intimacy. Each vision embodies on screen our fundamental link to the living, the mystery of the passing time and our fragility.https://www.irinalankova.com/goldberg-visions
>>129699153[cont.]>How to film the woman who crosses the Goldberg Visions without locking her into a particular era? How do you reveal her on-screen without defining her by her clothes? This question raises another: why a woman? >Whether a man or a woman, the story would be the same. However, the pianist of Goldberg Visions is a woman. She appears active and creative on stage, purely sensitive on the screen. This disturbing duality tells us of the complexity of being, an unspoken, its energy, its sources. Dressed in a veil, she crosses images and life in all her vulnerability.purely audio versionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdrnCZQiC7s&list=OLAK5uy_k7MmxoxHEdjpC8csykZlGJgdrgMPNvj08&index=1It comes in at an abridged ~51 minutes, similar (but substantially slower) to Gould's famous recordings. Looks like she omits the repeats. Shame. Not sure if more omissions or even cuts are needed to reach this runtime (more sets are ~71-80 minutes, except for Kempff's fantastic set, who comes in at 66 minutes by also omitting the repeats).Anyway, as I always say, one can never have too many recordings of the Goldberg Variations. It ought to rank among any classical fan's most frequently listened to pieces of music, and with that, one should also have a handful of go-to favorite recordings on rotation. It's not the kind of work where you just have one favorite, or even two or three. It's one of the most commonly recorded works for a reason, and given how much Bach's music allows for interpretive potential and range, it is wholly justified.
>>129699153>Each vision embodies on screen our fundamental connection with nature, the mystery of the passing time, and our fragility.I cannot roll my eyes enough
Just... wow. Any works similar to this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up0t2ZDfX7E
>>129699287https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PRoi1EaVII&list=OLAK5uy_nkIQFddocjAuAXqbsqnqu2JU8uFOmAe4M&index=2
>>129699287Verdi's Requiem is kinda unique among Requiems and choral works. Nonetheless, you might like Beethoven's Missa Solemnis and Mahler's 8th Symphony. Perhaps Bach's Magnificat and Handel's Dixit Domitus and Vivaldi's Dixit Dominis. All have similar power and force even though they're from the baroque era. Oh, actually, Mozart's Mass in C and Haydn's Nelson Mass and Mass in the Time of War too. Perhaps Brahms' Requiem and his shorter choral works like Triumphlied and Schicksalslied. And finally, maybe Mendelssohn's Elias and Dvorak's Requiem.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SiqiW0uTWohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPf1iKitQ7Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjLlWc_NyxQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3pv6jebdFwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAzzBuWNe_khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxq3kMArYjohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2TSoBXszyIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eMbkxGdXSEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3iyjCZXkyYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7YtmgNVGm8Hope you enjoy!
The fuck was Bach cooking with this 2nd movement? Have we figured it out?
>>129699550https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR1KAyKDON0
>>129699287Berlioz's Requiemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L11VdcTBZxw
>>129699287>>129699546oh and obviously when I said,>All have similar power and force even though they're from the baroque era.I was just referring to the Bach, Handel, and Vivaldi works. Beethoven and Mahler are clearly not baroque. I should have said "All three..." or "These three..."
another anon discovers the power of choral music. you love to see it. what a beautiful day it is.
This is fucking retarded, what kind of people come up with these ideas for """articles"""?
>>129699641pure filler content slop, probably even AI to mass produce ad revenue streams
>>129698468>>129698470Well on one camp you've got atonal garbage goyslop (Babbit, Xenakis, Stockhausen, Boulez)And in the other camp you've got Socialist Realism... but I struggle to name a single post-WW2 example>Shostakovichfamously had a gun to his head the whole time>Schnittkea fucking counterexampleSo yeah um that's thatIronically it'd be the goyslop side that produced minimalism, like Glass and Reich, which I'd consider the face of post WW2 US classical more than Babbit or Cage or whoeverMaybe Cage and Reich are on the same page and shouldn't be divided? Like Reich wrote "Pendulum Music".So maybe idk
I suppose I can see how the likes of John Williams and Hans Zimmer serve the capitalist class, and lulls the masses into a ideological stupor. But going beyond that to suggest "formally innovative art -> ideological innovation, therefore avant-garde art is morally righteous" is a bit of a stretch lol, it's your classic "hmm how can I not only justify my aesthetic tastes, but make them morally superior as well" and I must say, a clever way at that because from an academic ivory tower, I can see how it'd make sense
>>129695977Fauré's nocturnes, the pinnacle of the genre.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y67VNE3GQbE
>>129699550He was probably on coffee
>>129699741Chopin's op.62 alone is the peak of the genre, step aside.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK4z0iM-VxUFauré doesn't even have half as good interpreters as Chopin does, but nonetheless, compositionally Chopin's is superior.
Chad 19th century critic:>first melody good. second melody bad. 8/10Virgin domesticated 20th century critic:>uhhmm, look, the structure is not exactly to my tastes but I'm just going to say that it sucks because it dares to break my imaginary standards which I'll refer to as "sophistication" hehe. the motifs? what are you, stupid, uncultured pig? who cares if they sound good? I'm giving it a 6.48159 out of ten, and that's for le 4d cyclic form tricks I was told composer employed!
>>129700228divine 18th century critic:>does it glorify God (which really means do I like it hehe)? if yes, 10/10, if not, 0/10, have the heretic hack arrested and lashed
now playingstart of Mahler: Symphony No. 5 in C-Sharp Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nh3ptTYi5c&list=OLAK5uy_klxUPg6QiFegwnHYe8GWxQqxBPxOBKIJY&index=1https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_klxUPg6QiFegwnHYe8GWxQqxBPxOBKIJY>Zubin Mehta's Mahler has always been underrated, and this performance is no exception. It's true that the finale may not be the last word in physical excitement, but it's so well played--and superbly recorded--that few will complain. In fact, it features the most spectacular work from the brass section that you'll likely ever hear in this music. Give it a shot. You'll be pleasantly surprised. --David Hurwitz
>>129699741>the pinnacle of the genre Bait used to be believable
>>129700228>>129700312Enlightened 21st century critic:>it's all subjective.
>>129700385objective criteria, norms, and standards are fascist tbqh
https://youtu.be/NWDdsAmq1REI think this is cool. No idea what it is.
>>129700228>>129700312>>129700385>>129700402Actual examples?
>>129700448https://archive.org/details/musicmusicianse00schu
>>129700448not related but here's one review I actually like,http://www.michael-moran.com/2019/03/ewa-pobocka-recording-of-das.html>Ewa Pobłocka presented herself from the outset as a servant to this immortal music. Within this cavernous space in a wintry, clammy Warsaw she created an atmosphere of warm contemplative intimacy with a solitary lamp illuminating the music desk of the piano, the main chandeliers in the hall extinguished, a spot-lamp shining on a cascade of platinum hair. Yet this was no theatrical gesture but a privileged invitation to us as listeners to join her company on her birthday for a few precious hours spent in calm spiritual communion as this fine musician explored her treasured Book I of Das Wohltemperierte Klavier. I was reminded of a similarly contemplative, moving late recital by Sviatoslav Richter I attended in the half light of Blythburgh parish church on the Suffolk coast during the Aldeburgh festival now many years and musical experiences ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C26Bv3TRfog&list=OLAK5uy_lRPmNKAG56r-eBrFC3Yh5vQrxFODGSlI8&index=32or this onehttps://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2009/june09/Bach_mullova_onyx4040.htm>The Sonata No.2 in A minor opens with movement marked Grave significant for its mournful nature with aspects of reflective affirmation. Mullova's bright and uplifting playing shakes off the cobwebs in the Fuga resisting the temptation for even quicker speeds. I loved the exhilarating flourish for a few moments at 6:54. Mullova dedicates the tender and poetic Andante to her daughter Katia. Here I felt the music evocative of a narrative of hope and justice for mankind. There is brisk playing from Mullova in the final movement Allegro who twists, kneads and shapes this music of virile athleticism into an endless reverie.
>>129699741correct
>>129700512>Here I felt the music evocative of a narrative of hope and justice for mankind.Damn, what a heartwarming review. Truly one of a kind. I wish I could write something that original
>>129700595That's the power of Bach, babyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HB4oqRvunY&list=OLAK5uy_liRUebivbIbuqkIwxvW7Wh5Qk-yi9tAik&index=15
>>129700605If that's the power of Bach, I don't want to listen to him ever again.
>>129700617;o -> >:(
>search a composer>Brilliant Classics releases a video of their music the next dayThey're on to me.
>>129698470>>129698015What people like Wagner were doing was already barbaric. People living in their own reality writing outdated music that doesn't capture the spirit of their own times. In the wake of WW2 it would be pretty distasteful to drop something like a Beethoven symphony.
>>129699550what bmw is this
>>129701279third brandenburg
>>129701011lol
>>129701233>In the wake of WW2 it would be pretty distasteful to drop something like a Beethoven symphony.Why?
>>129701329After a horrific war why would you want to be writing about the beautiful brotherhood of man and all that? There was a time and place for the romantic movement and there was also a time to move past it and realize the reality shaped by the arts might be starting to become escapism from the realities actually lived.
>>129701379There are so many logical leaps in this post I don't even know where to begin.What does brotherhood of a man has to do with a Beethoven symphony that isn't some text of the last movement of his last symphony?Why was there a time and place for the romantic movement? What exactly made that possible? Why would anyone move past it, or enter it in the first place?And lastly, how is art anything but escapism?
>>129701542Dishonest post
>>129701233capturing the spirit of the times is not why we make music
I don't have perfect pitch so I just think of a song that is in the key of x and go from that. My go to right now is The March of the Black Parade because of the iconic g note at the start. What are some other good iconic songs I can use like that, doesn't have to be classical
>>129702063bach's g minor sonata
>>129702063Winter Winds Etude
>>129698870you got a link to all of them?
>>129687334This is the intellectual level of comebacks that you can expect from slop-addled brains
>>129696514>Is Rachmaninov [...] actually bad?yeah
>>129687605>>129689950>>129697695kill yourself nonce
>>129703156you can see it from a top-down view on discogs herehttps://www.discogs.com/release/17019684-Richard-Wagner-Wolfgang-Sawallisch-Der-Ring-Des-Nibelungen?srsltid=AfmBOooR9Gu6tklNEll0rH5rpFhmoHr9QjnSJKuyYfoRy_T_QrJcQGJethat's kinda lame tho so gimme a sec and i'll upload them on imgurhttps://imgur.com/a/tT0Ues8there you go
Video game music is the new classical and you can't convince me otherwise
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMcTVsDRWDc&list=OLAK5uy_mUcKhk6FTGzIP-IAPxDsv9bpVBOuCOkrg&index=15
>>129703986https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1nrQrh187Inah
HOLY SHIT
>>129704248https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cggrAf2kFf0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfIV6m6uym8he did a doc about him too
>>129704248>mmmMMMmmhmhwaaaahaaaaawmmwmyou got the "shit" part right at least
>>129703986>you can't convince me otherwisewhat you're convinced of doesn't matter, so why would anyone try
>>129704248Why do famous pianists like Gould only cover like 4 artists. He's got Bach, and a couple others. If I was him I would record everything under the sun.
>>129704413They only play who they enjoy playing.Simple as.Gould played Chopin once....
>>129704413>If I was him I would record everything under the sun.That's how you get modern pianists that play everything and are good at nothing.
>>129704371It's called Passion
>>129678008This has to be one of the best interpretations of late Brahms I've ever heardhttps://youtu.be/tEwa0fybJ1Q?si=VBTwJSyvLa3NNb6U
>>129678248>>129689778>>129678417
>>129704664it's good but a bit too fasthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXps60wGZPY&list=OLAK5uy_nbLjk4nTgLPwMaHc9SSYC36dhQzZ9jAtQ&index=3
>>129704596It's called autism and being gross in studio, but whatever gets your pee pee hard I guess
>>129704596>if you don't moan like a downpitched recording of a cat in heat, loud enough that sometimes it overrides the sound of your instrument, that means you have no passionYours is a world as small as it is sad, and I wish not to visit or learn more of it.
>>129692494holy faggot
>>129704664Yeah that set is excellent. Can't ever go wrong with Hough. His stature will rise in years to come.
>>129704749funny, I much prefer it like this, tempo-wisehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYhVWnifPf0?si=O_ooXnUgv2gQxrEL
Who is the greatest woman pianist?
>>129706240Annie Fischer, Angela Hewitt, Tatiana Nikolayeva, the list goes on...
>>129703476>>129703509You forgot your clown outfit
>>129706240Mitsuko Uchida
>>129706240Idil Beret
>>129706240
>>129706622Prolific, for which we're all very thankful for, but nothing special herself. She's like the woman Steven Osbourne or Barenboim or Ashkenazy.From her Chopin Nocturneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeO55mO9Qh0&list=OLAK5uy_nbA2jMMu6dq9ZD5t2daU2jTeXRlqwl0II&index=6From her Bach WTChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iidP7p5wYk&list=OLAK5uy_neKlLoYhehrpp3OmijEQIC8N3DJxeCm0Y&index=31Passable but meh.
It never ceases to blow my mind that Blomstedt (98 yo), Mehta (almost 90 yo), Leonard Slatkin (81 yo), Antoni Wit (82 yo), and Daniel Barenboim (83 yo) are all still alive and performing.
Anyone a fan of or watched any vids from this OperaAnna?vid about Wagner's Tristan und Isoldehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gea1K1OXZUin her description she writes,>Waltraud Meier is unparalleled in this aria as far as I’m concerned, I feel her on that! Who's your favorite Isolde?
>>129707268How come every opera channel I've seen is run by a chick? Is opera just an inherently female genre?
>>129707268Meier is my favorite as well.
>>129704749I like that it plays fast in that piece. The only segment in which I dislike it is in Op. 117, no. 2.Anyway, for that piece alone I like Radu's interpretationhttps://youtu.be/jNVymoGT1Z8?si=ZjJShD6Qo4-vWlcv>>129706140Nice selection
are there any good Schumann complete piano works cycles?
>>129707949Eric le Sage's cycle is pretty decent according to Jed Distler.
>>129707097Can't blame them, but for the most part some of it feels like hubris to me. Blomstedt, Mehta, and Barenboim especially have just gotten especially bad in age.
>>129707949Karl Engel
>>129707949Both Jorg Demus and Florian Uhlig are fine but yeah, as the other anon said, Eric Le Sage's cycle is the best.
>>129706240nikolayeva
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqiI8gA69iI
Gotta admit, it's pretty good. I do wish that the Brunnhilde were better, but the orchestra especially is amazing in this
>>129709841>be named Siegmund and Siegfried>become world-renowned Wagnerian opera singersdamn that's a flexAnd thanks for the shout, I'll add it to the backlog of Rings to listen to.
>>129709904https://youtu.be/aEKMitglouc?list=OLAK5uy_lvl1QWa3lMxLBQdFauttHAF7jlcV_cL7A&t=148Just listen to the orchestra here, omg
>>129709924That's pretty great.
>>129706392You forgot what it means to be a person>>129706902>She's like the woman Steven Osbourne or [...] Ashkenazy.You just said "nothing special". Make up your mind
>>129709841>>129709904>>129709924>Jerusalemdropped
>>129710134His actual last name is HItler, don't worry.
>>129710125fine the Ashkenazy comparison was a bit of a stretch sorry, but name one instance where Osbourne has the best or even a top-tier recording, I'll wait.
>>129710162>>129710125>>129706622>>129706902Jeno Jando is the male Idil Beret
>>129710162>tell me something I already have decided I'll disagree with, I'll waitBetter wait sitting down
now playingstart of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 21 in C Major, Op. 53 "Waldstein"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9vHlUjn4rM&list=OLAK5uy_kKPF7Rjd-6tDB-oExD5H6VfVZckHq_95E&index=70start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 22 in F, Op. 54https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NI-WhcZCe4&list=OLAK5uy_kKPF7Rjd-6tDB-oExD5H6VfVZckHq_95E&index=73start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 23 in F Minor, Op. 57 "Appassionata"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LylJEiczm-c&list=OLAK5uy_kKPF7Rjd-6tDB-oExD5H6VfVZckHq_95E&index=75start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 24 in F-Sharp Major, Op. 78 "A Thérèse": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-GSoV6u_2k&list=OLAK5uy_kKPF7Rjd-6tDB-oExD5H6VfVZckHq_95E&index=77https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kKPF7Rjd-6tDB-oExD5H6VfVZckHq_95E
>>129710162*teleports behind you*pssh...nothin personnel...kid...
>>129710559fug, caught me slippin'
okay my opera binge is starting to wane, instrumental music is starting to sound good to me again
>>129710626I am glad to hear that you are recuperating from such a penurious disease, anon
new>>129710740>>129710740>>129710740
>>129710125thank you jacob
>>129709841the Brunnhilde is the best part man. Wotan and Siegfried are the bad ones
the vagner meme
