Widor editionhttps://youtu.be/0w3BXiOH-cgThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129678008
we need more OPs with black composershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3bcGtpYXcQ&list=OLAK5uy_k9bxkLRfNIxNcMYUyrSRCLOJzakHGjTrk&index=7>American violinist Rachel Barton Pine marks the 25th anniversary of her 1997 recording of violin concertos by Black composers of the 18th and 19th centuries with Violin Concertos by Black Composers Through the Centuries. This special-edition reissue updates and expands the original program into the 20th century with Pine’s recent recording of Florence Price’s Violin Concerto No. 2, composed in 1952. The 1997 release established the violinist’s reputation as a passionate advocate for composers of African descent.>Pine recorded Price’s Second Violin Concerto with the Royal Scottish National Orchestra, conducted by American conductor Jonathon Heyward, newly named Music Director Designate of the Baltimore Symphony (at age 32). The violinist reprises her previous recordings of masterworks by Joseph Bologne, Chevalier de Saint-Georges (1775), José White Lafitte (1864), and Samuel Coleridge-Taylor (1899), all with Chicago’s Encore Chamber Orchestra, conducted by Daniel Hege. The New York Times declared: “Rachel Barton [Pine] handles the concertos’ varied demands with unaffected aplomb, performing this music lovingly.” The Chicago-based artist has been hailed as “an exciting, boundary-defying performer” by the Washington Post. The New York Times described her as “striking and charismatic … she demonstrated a bravura technique and soulful musicianship.” Violin Concertos by Black Composers Throughout the Centuries is Pine’s 22nd Cedille Records album. Her discography also includes critically acclaimed recordings on the Avie and Warner Classics labels.what is funny is while Rachel Barton Pine is a fine violinist, she looks exactly as you'd expect her to
>>129710788why?
>>129710799representation, anon, representation. gonna get the black anons into classical and away from young thug
>>129710824One step at a time. Get them back into jazz and pre-war rock and roll. Then we'll talk about the two (2) black composers worth talking about. Regardless, my point is that we don't really need to do that. Representation is great, but not everyone gets to be represented in every possible context. I don't expect to be represented in the context of australian aboriginal pictorial art/music/folklore because my ethnic background has fuckall to do with that, even though SOME euros have casually and as a matter of extreme exception partaken in it. That's their stuff, not mine; I get to enjoy and appreciate it, and that's *fine* and *enough* (and I do enjoy that stuff a lot)
>>129710788Scott Joplin is the only black composer I know
>>129710889>Then we'll talk about the two (2) black composers worth talking about.but there are four composers on this recording >>129710788
>>129710924and yet, and yet
Mahler is my favorite black composer>colorized pic, c. 1905https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMXahQpjwGM&list=OLAK5uy_kjaCw0Ui_ZQ4cT4B2bw74WRV0p0r7BtM4&index=3
For today's opera performance, we listen to Wagner's Meistersinger conducted by Wolfgang Sawallischhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vht0A9VnmrQ&list=OLAK5uy_kyVR7pqfCT42dgxAanfn-LzIBxPE3EwhM&index=1It's funny, I've listened to dozens of Sawallisch's recordings, many of them several times over, and looked at the cover of them even more often, yet in a rare situation like this where I want to type out his full name, I have to go back and look at what his first name is, lol, because somehow I only ever remember his distinctive last name. Wolfgang, Wolfgang, Wolfgang...
>>129711452my favorite Meistersinger!
>>129712610Really? I quite like Kollo's angry, boyish Siegfried. He sounds very in character Eh, Theo Adam I can take or leave but he doesn't offend me
By the way, you can actually see the ancient Wieland Wagner production in video with good sound, and bad visuals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piP_Nue851gStill, it gives you an idea of what his famous productions were like in motion.
>>129713305Very austere.
>>129712621I definitely love it.
>>129712972Kollo sounds weird to me; bordering on wobbly, it's just not as precise a voice as I'd likeAdam just sounds too old (and indeed he was like 80 by then or something)Just compare Adam's Der Augen leuchtendes Paar to say, Stewarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt_KJR4V7qg?si=uEz7RrXdZopk-ebOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q1i2v4KEEg?si=A08PfHesLuW2-SaA
>>129713417Yeah he's def not as good with the smaller, more tender moments that require minimal vibrato and straight through singing, but I find him relatively inoffensive outside of that even if he had developed quite a wobble by then Stewart clears easily, it's a shame that he's not the Wotan in the Das Rheingold because DFD in that role is an actual crime
>>129713443that's why we have this!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujTdPTCwapE?si=K-Gct12_ggHmVFEd
>>129713495https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vewupKFIEAEIs that really the same Stewart? He sounds so different, and not as good as the one on the Karajan studio recording. Seemed he developed a cragginess to his voice in that time.
>>129713510yes it's the same Stewart lol. Maybe he had one too many sips of whisky during aftershowsI'll be honest, I don't mind DFD as Wotan. In fact, I have an easy time imagining him as a younger version of Stewart's Wotan, so it works. My only problem with Karajan's Ring is Jess Thomas as I've said in previous threads.
Tchaikovskyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rha72JCq930&list=OLAK5uy_n5-e82Dmg3wUb3W-1Izm4o5DpGTTj2FxQ&index=6
>>129711224Is he actually part African? He does look pretty swarthy
>>129713569I always see people rag on Jess Thomas but I would kill to have a Siegfried half as good as him these days
>>129714409nah dude he's 100% norwegian are you fucking blind
>>129714409damn people really walked around casually with blackface back then huh
>>129714409We wuz composers and shit
So what's the deal with the repeating Loge leitmotif in the Ring? Every review says something like,>Loge's presence is always suggestedbut okay what does that actually mean
Listen to Martinu's symphonieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbb86zpnNow&list=OLAK5uy_lHBzSQfkpXtAWKW3QpoERaQLy_IhgfYQE&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5geV2cn4Xw4&list=OLAK5uy_lHBzSQfkpXtAWKW3QpoERaQLy_IhgfYQE&index=7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awYf1U9-NIs&list=OLAK5uy_lHBzSQfkpXtAWKW3QpoERaQLy_IhgfYQE&index=9
>>129715573He's waiting to burn the whole thing down
>>129715573he says he hates the gods at the end of Das Rheingold, but doesn't really care enough to kill them even though he could. He's waiting for an excuse to be bothered enough to kill them (which Brunnhilde gives at the end of Götterdämmerung after all her suffering) but until then Wagner just has his motif play so you don't forget he's still there doing whatever it is he is doing (mostly just being the ring of fire around Brunnhilde)
>>129715684honestly the character motivations for the Ring are so funny, and Wotan has got to be the dumbest motherfucker in all of opera next to Melisande.
>>129715719I love how all of Act 3 Scene 1 of Siegfried is him insisting to Erda that he is okay with dying and doesn't even care anymore but he immediately changes his mind upon meeting the next generation (Siegfried) in person because Siegfried just repeatedly insults him lmao
Why didn't Bach compose pieces on the piano?>"bro it hadn't been invented yet">look up when Bach died>1750>look up when the piano was invented>1700
>>129715759Boomer meets a Zoomer. Many such cases
>>129716035It would be like asking why shostakovich didn't compose on the synth, just because it was new tech doesn't mean they saw a use for it with their style of music. Bach was already old fashioned, composing music that was already out of style, he wouldn't have cared much for a fad instrument out of Italy. He also got to play on pipe organs and the piano is a downgrade from that. Its also highly possible he did compose on piano because a bunch of his pieces don't specify the instrument
>>129716035>Why didn't Bach compose pieces on the piano?He did. You absolute imbecile.
>>129716035Bach was a stubborn old soul simple as
>>129716035>>129716099Lol its a good point he probably lived through a hundred "pianos" being invented of which no record exist today
>>129715684>but doesn't really care enough to kill them even though he could. He's waiting for an excuse to be bothered enough to kill themwhere'd you get all that
Strauss' Der Rosenkavalier Suite has the power to save the worldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C2caxBI1Icfaster tempo versionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvvI3LJZdjo
review of the Met Opera's current staging of Tristan und Isoldehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvVG8TW5zBE>“SOME OF THE BEST MOMENTS OF OPERA I’VE EVER HEARD ... A PEAK OF THE MET’S PAST DECADE” —New York Magazine>“AN ASTONISHING PERFORMANCE … THE EVENT OF THE SEASON.” —The New York Times>After years of anticipation, a truly unmissable event arrives as the electrifying Lise Davidsen tackles one of the ultimate roles for dramatic soprano: the Irish princess Isolde in Wagner’s transcendent meditation on love and death. Heroic tenor Michael Spyres stars opposite Davidsen as the love-drunk Tristan. The momentous occasion also marks the advent of a new, Met-debut staging by Yuval Sharon—hailed by The New York Times as “the most visionary opera director of his generation” and the first American to direct an opera at the famed Wagner festival in Bayreuth—as well as Music Director Yannick Nézet-Séguin’s first time leading Tristan und Isolde at the Met. Mezzo-soprano Ekaterina Gubanova reprises her signature portrayal of Brangäne, alongside bass-baritone Tomasz Konieczny, who sings Kurwenal after celebrated Met appearances in Wagner’s Der Fliegende Holländer and Ring cycle. Bass-baritone Ryan Speedo Green makes an important role debut as King Marke.https://www.metopera.org/season/2025-26-season/tristan-und-isolde/if only I lived in NYC I'd see if any anons would like to attend with me :(
now playingstart of Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM5cmXkdY5A&list=OLAK5uy_nq9rtqaTLvtoInM-aG9lLJziPDxELA5F4&index=2start of Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNXtlOEmE1M&list=OLAK5uy_nq9rtqaTLvtoInM-aG9lLJziPDxELA5F4&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nq9rtqaTLvtoInM-aG9lLJziPDxELA5F4>Zubin Mehta has long been a constant in Munich's musical life. Mehta has enjoyed an artistic relationship and deep friendship with the Munich Philharmonic in particular for decades. Since he conducted his first concert with the orchestra in 1987, he has been a regular guest and was appointed the orchestra's first and so far only "conductor emeritus" in 2004. Twenty years later, the orchestra celebrated this milestone anniversary with a Brahms cycle, including all four symphonies and both of the piano concertos performed by one of today's most acclaimed and admired pianists: Yefim Bronfman.
>>129717103I'm sure she'll go and sing it at other houses now that she's started it. I heard her in recital 6 years ago and she was excellent.
>>129717128Lise Davidsen?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5T8A2eMp0g&list=OLAK5uy_lKARsDejIzHa3W8mzsaX4-P8ZdOoQ8uXY&index=1
>>129717145Yeah, she's the main draw of the new Tristan.
>>129717176I can hear why! Her voice is both divine and distinctive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyEd0mNBJdQ&list=OLAK5uy_ngA1zCp-uBF_G__RkhT3cqjQYEmu0SEuw&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fox19jgNgSg&list=OLAK5uy_ngA1zCp-uBF_G__RkhT3cqjQYEmu0SEuw&index=2What did you hear her perform?
>Dietrich Fischer Dieskau is a villain to be sure, but Dieskau has no tessitura, no legato for this role or any other. He is as far from an Italianate singer as we are from the farthest galaxies. Why did he do it? The word is that Nilsson asked for him, and they were all glad at Decca. He was not tested for the part and when he began hooting and scooping and hollering, Maazel threatened to quit the recording.. An assistant was brought in and Dieskau's part was completed. Maazel picked up the baton for Act III. It's the worst Scarpia on discs anywhere, BUT you have Corelli and Nilsson..so who cares? Many do, of course. There's some fabulous music mishandled here, but again, move on to Act III.lol
What is it about Kempff's Beethoven that makes it so magnificent? My soul responds to his every note. He's interpretations are idiosyncratic, so he's not merely bringing Beethoven to life, he's adding his own layer of magic to it, and it works in a way virtually no other pianist is able to replicate (the other reference cycles have a different source to their greatness, Kempff's is unique amongst even this top-tier).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nawB9lkO8LM
Ethan Hawke in Blue Moon looks uncannily like Glenn Gould, to the point it should have been a Gould biopic. Yes, no one would see it, but neither did anyone see Blue Moon
>>129711224He looks like Mahler's mixed-race twin, kek
Just... WOWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98w25S5yASc
>>129717836This is.... huh.. wow.
>>129717836>Karl Richter's Bach>WOWYes, anon, we know :)I'm a disgusting (post)modernist tho, so I prefer it in pianohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWLpeLW_28E&list=OLAK5uy_k6AFLCKzJDqjjqcft5N7GgpV7gyvIj5Wk&index=1or orchestrahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpWHbYFA4wo&list=OLAK5uy_kHbnSDuOsG6LUyTfnKVWkOeSxOnByUo6c&index=1
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XMTgGLNZk0&list=OLAK5uy_kIYeLcjTgB0CwbLv7GvbFbOEdGnoH5Nng&index=8
>>129718267Stokowski is as romantic as it gets. There is nothing remotely modernist about it.And by extension, Stokowski is closer to what classical and baroque eras sounded like at least in phrasing and general direction, unlike HIP and modernists.
now playingFlorence Price: The Oakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scWSgwD09_g&list=OLAK5uy_kkXga97Fq8tXkOjoX7ooyqXR526c6au1M&index=2Florence Price: Mississippi River Suitehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9PdUvNACu8&list=OLAK5uy_kkXga97Fq8tXkOjoX7ooyqXR526c6au1M&index=3start of Florence Price: Symphony No. 3 in C Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryUiyKy4NRw&list=OLAK5uy_kkXga97Fq8tXkOjoX7ooyqXR526c6au1M&index=3https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kkXga97Fq8tXkOjoX7ooyqXR526c6au1M>"this first important black female composer has become celebrated recently as we discover her works. This includes her best Symphony and major Suite" (Alto)... *"history bears down on the opening of the Third Symphony... big moments where Price clearly feels the burden of the African American experience but allows it to fuel her soul. It's easy to forget that she's a contemporary of George Gershwin. In fact, (he) attended the premiere of Price's Symphony No.1. So how do we tell this story, recognising on the one hand... she's been neglected in this historiography, but... also she's very much a part of the American symphonic scene?" (*Gramophone)
>be me, 4chan poster with over 10k+ confirmed posts on /classical/ and an immaculately curated top 15 recordings of Beethoven's Missa Solemnis>out at brunch with a group of normies, couple of qts>one of the qts asks,>"so, anon, what music do you like?">"this probably sounds nerdy to most people but classical, haha">"oh that's not nerdy at all, that's really cool :)">"...lately though I've been more of an operafag, haha">"...">"...">"...">"...o-oh, sorry, that's just how they refer to people on this music site I browse, force of habit...">conversation dies and the qts leave so afterfuuuuug
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>>129718267One of the most overrated organ works. It doesn't even sound like it was composed for the organ
>>129717083then why doesn't it
>>129718965If everyone listened to it, it would.
>>129718738Get off the internet and never come back. Also, while you're at it, always keep in mind that the more radicalised opinions you run into are made by and for people who are even more terminally online than you. At least you didn't say anything about wanting to kill minorities and homosexuals out loud, though you were probably thinking about it.
>>129718974Then it does not have such a power per se, rather the combined wills of every individual on earth does, which is an inane statement.
>>129718997Hmm, no, I think that's still a correct usage of "has the power to" even if it's dormant potential not currently utilized.
>>129718991/classical/ is strictly against homophobia and does not tolerate it under any circumstances. Anon was not thinking about such matters, he's a regular /classical/anon.
>>129719034Power =/= potential. If it is contingent on the intervention of other factors it is in fact powerless. It merely has (ex hypothesi) the potential to move those with power to do what is within their power. Words have meaning.
>>129719058Yes or no: nuclear bombs have the power to end the world?
>>129719066re-read my post
>>129719068Yes or no: The Bible had the power to change the world?
>>129719048you're neither funny nor clever, bigot
>>129718991but anon, I *am* a minority>>129719048ty
>>129719073I am for the last time asking that you re-read my post. As of now I am no longer attempting to educate the willfully ignorant and/or the disingenuous.
>>129719084I accept your concession.
have you done your weekly listen of Chopin's Nocturnes yet, anon?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRRdg233ZQI&list=OLAK5uy_m6weSpAMU9zZv_dmJYoDd0XCPDv1XmfWs&index=3
>I accept your concession.
>>129719117:p
>>129719106Maria João Pires's Chopin Nocturnes >>>> Vladimir Ashkenazy's Chopin Nocturneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dti7IJcIEDEthis coming from an Ashke fanboy
>>129719138>Maria João Pires's Chopin Nocturnes >>>> Vladimir Ashkenazy's Chopin NocturnesWhile that's true, Pires' is more somber and heady. Ashkenazy's is playful and jovial, better for casual listening. In other words, no need to settle for any one set!But yes, if I were on a desert island, I'd take Pires' over Ashkenazy's.
>>129719170>Ashkenazy's is playful and jovialI suppose, but... that's not at all what I'd want from a performance of a nocturne, right? That's great for the mazurkas and ballades though, for sure
I just don't understand how there isn't a single 21st century major recording of Tannhauser. There's multiple of Der fliegende Holländer/The Flying Dutchman, yet not one of the superior masterpiece? It's baffling. It doesn't even have to be studio, how hard is it to set up some microphones at a live performance that's already going down? There better be one this year or I riot.
>>129719198>There's multiple of Der fliegende Holländer/The Flying DutchmanThat's very unfortunate to hear
>>129719170 >>129719179Both are mediocre. Please consult my list instead:Op. 9 no.1 - KoczalskiOp. 9 no.2 - Rachmaninoff (honorable mention: Koczalski, Hofmann, Cortot)Op. No.3 - TiegermanOp.15 no.1 - CortotOp.15 no.2 - Pugno (Busoni, Cortot)Op.15 no.3 - SmeterlinOp.27 no.1. - Cortot (!!!) (Bartok)Op.27 no.2 - Hofmann (!!!) (Rosenthal)Op.32 no.1 - KoczalskiOp.32 no.2 - FriedbergOp.37 no.1 - KoczalskiOp.37 no.2 - Godowsky (Moiseiwitsch)Op.48 no.1 - Koczalski (Hofmann (!!!))Op.48 no.2 - GodowskyOp.55 no.1 - Pachmann (Rubinstein, Cortot)Op.55 no.2 - Friedman (Cortot)Op.62 no.1 - HorowitzOp.62 no.2 - Moiseiwitsch (!!!)
>>129719220I don't understand, your post just shows>hissssssssto me.
>>129719222Maybe if you're deaf. You did say you're minority so
>>129719209>>129719220I cannot emphazise enough how little anyone cares
>>129719216the future is now, old manhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLp65eLPv0A&list=OLAK5uy_nw2Z0S7kViT1Q4O9O3Oia5V8pyfXFsC4A&index=16
>>129719235>the future is now, old manNot sure what you mean, my point is that that opera doesn't even deserve half a recording because it's really bad
>>129719226m-mod abuse!!I do appreciate the effort though, and have massive respect for anyone who has codified favorites like this. Just a shame it's not with modern sets. Oh well, maybe someday.
>>129719230>I cannot emphazise enough how little anyone cares
>>129719240oh. well then... my point exactly!!
>>129719244Don't respect pseuds using le trad recordings as dog whistles anon
>>129719244Respect patricians using the definitive recordings as redpills anon
>>129719268
>>129719262You're saying their entire exclusive preference for hiss recordings is because they come from a putatively pre-woke world? I refuse to believe anyone is that crazy.
>>129719286First week on /classical/? Welcome and I hope you've had a nice time, because it only gets worse from here on out.
>>129719262Literal schizopost.
>>129719322
>>129719315First week listening to /classical/? Welcome and I hope you've had nice time because you're about to learn something shocking about pre-World War musical styles
>>129719336see >>129719285
>>129719315lolLook, I understand part of musical enjoyment is psychological, so I can believe someone getting more enjoyment out of hiss recordings because their brain is going, "ah, back when people played the right way" (ex. similar to those who prefer older opera recordings) but if you're suggesting what's really going on is their brain is going, "ah, back when J's didn't run the world, and classical music was played by God-fearing, conservative, Christian white men and produced by God-fearing, conservative, Christian white men" or something like that, nah, no one is that crazy.
>>129719347>no one is that crazy.I miss the times when I could think like this, even here on the fourth of channes
I gotta admit it is kinda a cute flex tho>Oh I don't just like classical music -- I only like classical recordings of classical music.i kneel
>>129719347>no one is that crazy.People will explicitly state that that's the reason with no hint of irony. Same with hating on women conductors or interpreters etc explicitly because they're women. This is real, this has been happening.
>>129719347What's ironic is I don't even believe that anyone worth a damn was christian or conservative in 19th century. Very few exceptions, e.g. Bruckner, who was a literal retard anyway, who just happened to be musically talented.So now that should make that anon sound even more schizophrenic.
>>129719333You're literally talking about 'dog whistles' over a preference in performance style or a frustration with a change in practices. This is insane. Most of the people I've encountered who bitch about contemporary opera performance for example are leftist academic types.>>129719388Good thing no one brought women musicians up. Do you think someone who likes e.g. Lili Kraus or Ginette Neveu is dog whistling fascism or are they redeemed?
>>129719412>Most of the people I've encountered who bitch about contemporary opera performance for example are leftist academic types.Leftists are high IQ
>>129719403>>129719412>the evidence before my eyes does not count, because of cherry-picked, often personal experience that is only tangentially relatedsee >>129719342gonna love to see how quiet y'all are when the real gamer hours come later today as they do every day
>>129719437What evidence?
>>129719437As opposed to the fascism unfolding before my very eyes, which is evidenced by... someone using the word redpill?
speaking of which, Konwitschny's Tannhauser - yay/nay?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyxt_UZCdgsone negative reviewhttps://www.wagnerdiscography.com/reviews/tan/tan60konwitschny.htm>This set of the Dresden version is frustrating. Despite what looks on paper like a dream cast and with sound in bright, somewhat shallow at times early stereo, the performance veers wildly between two extremes: the exquisitely sensitive singing of Elisabeth Grümmer as Elisabeth, a famous interpretation preserved for the studio, and the burly, coarse singing of Hans Hopf in the title role.>Konwitschny, normally a sensitive Wagner conductor, gives us a stodgy, pedestrian reading of the overture, with little fluidity or notable detail.one gushing, positive reviewhttps://musicwebinternational.com/2024/12/wagner-tannhauser-warner-classics/>Franz Konwitschny’s classic account of Tannhäuser, while not universally admired, it has stood the test of time for over 60 years. It has a couple of casting disappointments to be sure, but despite that it is among the best performed Tannhäusers on disc, and is certainly a high recommendation. This is especially the case if one is seeking the original Dresden version of Wagner’s fascinating score.
>>129719460>redpillWord invented by leftists transsexuals btw
>>129719459The unbroken chain of generals stretching back ten years into the past at the least>>129719460I'm almost impressed. Where do you even go to learn such advanced skills in disingenuity? /lit/?>>129719473BLACK leftist transsexuals
brb writing an academic paper titled,>The Politics of Audio Quality: Why Hiss is Fascist
>>129719477>The unbroken chain of generals stretching back ten years into the past at the leastVery vague. Not an evidence. Try again.>BLACK leftist transsexualsThey don't look very black to me tho
>>129719496make sure to share it with us
>>129719477I definitely believe you speak on the authority of ten years of generals when you decide to react like this over a miscellaneous hisstersister but didn't bother to display commensurate anger when that /metal/fag was shitting up the general and complaining every time a female performer was posted.
>>129719508>They don't look very black to me thoit was a joke, they're actually jews>>129719515that's what the report function is for
>>129719520>they're actually jewsYes, and jews are the supreme beings on this planet.
>>129719535agreed
>>129719520Bad show, anon. All this fuss about a 'dog whistle' and you reject the duty to resist fascism when it actually shows up? It's not against the rules to hate female performers so it's entirely up to you to make sure we're all being heckin decent human beings on the occasion.
>>129719547Bad show, anon. Terrible attempt at turning an explicit act of spam into a matter of opinion, and trying to get mods to do their fucking job into the equivalent of simping for the police.
>>129719575He did spam plenty, but shitting on female performers is still not against the rules so it's not relevant to the point that you didn't care enough about, like, basic fucking human decency? to say anything about his derogatory comments? Uhm, I thought you cared about pushing back on the chuds? Why are you shifting the goalposts to avoid responsibility?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTRvGimCv2I*invents post '78 guitar music behind you*psssh...nothin personnel....kid...
>>129719622>Why are you shifting the goalposts to avoid responsibility?4/10 pretty terrible but I guess I replied
>>129719631I like Villa-Lobos but I refuse to listen to his guitar music. sorry not sorryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRLFy9b3jy4
Oscar-Arthur Honeggerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu7NskuYF7Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2WmIoUeX1chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa5nMSrME-4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PjvRC6OGbohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl6ZnIDwKEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqSFBwBC0S0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_73erL8o_9whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4FmuobrUs4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AR8Y8bWFSwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKLcpEF29nQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbTdcWUTV4Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prxyp8EHITohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrDpP0Z2ojEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeqhKYRV7ughttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rocZ_0CayFohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcHHFH1AN_0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qFqUUQx2Lshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ddnp-GHn6Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJm2AEcbzIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vnhPVyMb38https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDy3brfTcIshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQw_xezqK_shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUGLqJEfJAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpT_I8tjxbQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTd_1GKeQg8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKYCB3PdLakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wjT1ycujT4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8FX5ZtnNMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iphzdVU9kEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLlg0r2wXuIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZRBxy6onXM
>>129719751>when you say Honegger in publichttps://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1o3fgmd/italian_streamer_in_tokyo_almost_gets_in_trouble/
>>129719854I sniggered niggardly
>>129719854I would not apologize to anyone. Unless they were handsome... In which case I'd just get on my knees uwu
>>129719220You don't rank Samson Francois' set?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AY-IIFUh2A&list=OLAK5uy_kWtfZ-ERHuv-9Q2yHUoV_e5D4ksFZHkA8&index=17
Half-tempted to go and watch the ROH Siegfried based on the positive reviews Schager is getting. Planned on giving it a miss despite how much I enjoyed Maltman in Rheingold/Walkure because I thought Schager was going to ruin the whole thing (plus the staging is the usual nonsense - here's Erda but she's a 90 year old naked lady who wanders around the stage like some dementia patient)I thought he was intriguing when he came onto the scene as some guy who more or less went straight from operetta -> Wagner. But then heard him in 2019ish with a wobble several Grob-Prandls and Bartons could have waddled through with room to spare.
>>129720379eye-popping
>>129721646Fafnir looks like he's been tarred and feathered
>>129721721And Siegfried like a background dancer from a Bruce Springsteen music video
now playingShostakovich: String Quartet No. 13 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 138https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oUeJ9fpZLs&list=OLAK5uy_nWjR7BPdyqEghkK_beGznuW1sIGvTlf0Q&index=2start of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 14 in F-Sharp Major, Op. 142https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sfbLtLO5PE&list=OLAK5uy_nWjR7BPdyqEghkK_beGznuW1sIGvTlf0Q&index=3start of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 15 in E-Flat Minor, Op. 144https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-_cYW84r3Y&list=OLAK5uy_nWjR7BPdyqEghkK_beGznuW1sIGvTlf0Q&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nWjR7BPdyqEghkK_beGznuW1sIGvTlf0Q
Now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZw9cT8JyLMBREDDY GÜD
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxP6XdFEWAc&list=OLAK5uy_kWJEzRY5xV0Fiw0ljGF25tZ5fs8izUbb4&index=5
>>129720379>based on the positive reviews Schager is gettingReally? The same shouty, obnoxious Siegfried from the 2022 Bayreuth recording? I'd be surprised. He sounded pretty awful. I mean, I guess it's been 4 years, but to turn around a voice that bad would be quite a transformation.
>>129720379>The first thing we see is the feet. They sway gently, forward and back, as the curtain slowly rises on the third instalment of Wagner’s Ring cycle to reveal their owner, sat on a swing hanging from a gnarled tree. Wedged precariously in its scorched branches is the treehouse where the dwarf Mime has been raising the hero-in-waiting Siegfried.>And whose feet are they? If you’ve been following Barrie Kosky’s production of the Ring since it began with Das Rheingold two and a half years ago, you won’t need me to tell you that they belong to Erda, the earth goddess. Again, she’s a silent but mesmerising presence courtesy of the octogenarian actor Illona Linthwaite. And again she is on stage, naked, for most of this opera’s four-and-a-half hours: smiling at Siegfried as the sparks fly from the sword he’s reforging on a Heath Robinson furnace in the first act; serenely tending the flowers that carpet the meadow where he eventually awakens Brünnhilde in the final act.>Pic: Erda births a younger, singing version of herself>For her scene with Wotan – an aggressive confrontation, the tension reinforced by the orchestral turmoil Antonio Pappano is whipping up in the pit – she births a younger, singing version of herself. There is now a suggestion that Erda is not merely witnessing the events but actively directing them so as to outfox Wotan. Could she be about to bring down the old order, armed with only a watering can and a handbag full of feathers?well now you've gotta see all this
>>129722347>(Arr. Grieg for Two Pianos)neat! Richter and Leonskaja
Verdihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIAJDQjhaBg&list=OLAK5uy_mZIqHQKe7qy3IquYASw2xxVoKbymVhr0U&index=33
>>129723724I suspect, as is often the case these days, a singer who can make it through Siegfried in one piece gets rave reviews, no matter the quality of singing.>>129724263At least the singing Erda gets on stage. In Rheingold, she had to do it all from the wings.
i could sing Siegfried in one piece
now playingstart of Brahms: 7 Fantasien, Op. 116https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RcFi0UNCGM&list=OLAK5uy_mmVDIX9RJ12dZbaZ4_xb_pXvnIH8VC5fk&index=2start of Brahms: 3 intermezzi, Op. 117https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaafRFpp5zY&list=OLAK5uy_mmVDIX9RJ12dZbaZ4_xb_pXvnIH8VC5fk&index=9start of Brahms: 6 Klavierstücke, Op. 118https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va7yCEUF_dI&list=OLAK5uy_mmVDIX9RJ12dZbaZ4_xb_pXvnIH8VC5fk&index=12start of Brahms: 4 Klavierstücke, Op. 119https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94kkk9cD_Qg&list=OLAK5uy_mmVDIX9RJ12dZbaZ4_xb_pXvnIH8VC5fk&index=17https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mmVDIX9RJ12dZbaZ4_xb_pXvnIH8VC5fk>With his characteristic elegance, Fabrizio Chiovetta delivers a sensitive interpretation of Brahms’s late works from 1892, among his final pieces for piano.
The primary flaw with Chopin's sublime 24 Preludes, Op. 28, is it's too short. ~37 minutes, I need more! I guess you can just supplement with the Ballades and Scherzi but still.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqXYIteAfNshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKL-r07YD3w
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afwI3sU5UJk&list=OLAK5uy_nm1e1Su05z3LBxhA9rTEQH9jhx_PHgEtw&index=9
rec me recordings of Scriabin's symphoniesalso is Svetlanov any good?
>>129727505Just so we're clear:Symphonies, Rêverie, Sonatas & Vers La Flamme: AshkenazyPiano Concerto: Postnikova+RozhdestvenskyOp 54: Urban Agnas+Leif SegerstamOp 60: Argerich+AbbadoSymphonic Allegro: Moscow Philharmonic+Golovschin2 Piano Fantaisie: Ponti+LeonardiScherzo & Andante for string orchestra: Hamburg Strings+Preyss-BatoEverything else piano solo: Dmitri Alexeev
We're so back
>>129727603When did "we" leave? Where had "we" gone?
>>129727505>also is Svetlanov any good?Not really. He's this Russian budget conductor who basically records everything Russian. Fine if there aren't any other options (ex. Myaskovsky) but if there are, I'd recommend going with the other recordings every time. Your own tastes may vary I guess, so try him if you want.His performances all have a very Russian sound if you're into that.>rec me recordings of Scriabin's symphoniesAshkenazy or Muti
in my country, this man is everythinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoNVKgZ0D3U
>>129727613Excellent question sisterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIKlh7Qgl28
>>129727505Golovanov
>>129727652In your country they eat tiny pies floating in pea soup
>modern Wagnerian singing suc--ACK!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0WV9Yo4FTE&list=OLAK5uy_kzKfcC9ZIDIB7yDRZ6Tu6nKUE2wWONz7o&index=32
hot take: Brahms' Ballades > Chopin's Balladeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7S19Ew-fv8*hides*
>>129727961That's just a shitty take
>>129727964at least listen to it first
>>129727650>not reallyHis performance of the 4th Symphony (BBC Legends) and the 5th Symphony (with Richter) are honestly the two best and most exciting performances of those works.
>>129728091
Rienzi has the power to change the world
>>129727650having just heard the 3rd symphony by him, Muti and Ashkenazy, I have to say Svetlanov's is my favorite
>>129729421what is keeping him back
>>129727961well duhBrahms doesn't sound gay, for one
>>129729484ballades are supposed to sound gay, though
>>129729484>>129729503kill yourselves
>>129729705Lead by example
>>129719198don't make me tap the sign.
>>129730149Listen. This is /classical/, not "plebbit". We only discuss patrician refined music here. You are on the wrong bus stop, but instead of being a civil individual and leaving, you are instead creating a "ruckus" for the other waiting passengers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMw0EjLFPXw Wagner showed us the dangers of being a "faustian" man, not with long essays and tedious literature, but with elegant sound and smooth instrumentation. You are the devil, "Mephistopheles" trying to seduce us poor souls into degeneracy.W.
>>129730149that's such a newfagesque pic tho
>>129730167Rules are essential lest we be barbarians
>>129730183Who makes the rules? On what authority? Whence cometh said authority's justification? How to prove it?
>>129730197It's just for fun, chill. Though the ending the argument when a thread ends is essential given everyone here thinks they're the smartest person in the room at all times (it's really me btw) and refuses to ever cede an argument, so if we didn't do that, threads would be over before they started.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9vYIIczQGc&list=OLAK5uy_kWtfZ-ERHuv-9Q2yHUoV_e5D4ksFZHkA8&index=8
>mfw I've been an ardent defender and steadfast shill of slower tempo performances and recordings for two years but now I am beginning to think faster tempo sounds betterO_O
>>129730197plus we see Wagner's music drives all men, no matter how great, to madness on here
>>129730215>>129730311you sound so dumb right now
>>129730325h8er
Reuben (Stein)I want to listen to someone else but no one comes close
>>129730331I don't hate you, I pity and am vaguely embarrassed by you
>>129730346You are no fun.
>>129730340this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2e-yqTqSLkPerhaps we should start recommending this when people ask for hour+ symphonies.
>>129730457You do not foment fun
>>129729705>chopinfag gets overly emotional like a womanis anyone surprised?
now playingstart of Rubinstein: Symphony No. 4 in D Minor, Op. 95, "Dramatic":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1h55o6vuJY&list=OLAK5uy_lkXwIHRJsrCs93GXXjLaPxIcGlU6QqI-A&index=1https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lkXwIHRJsrCs93GXXjLaPxIcGlU6QqI-AI like this Amazon community review,>If anti-semitism is alive and well today, imagine the atmosphere of 19th century Russia (not that continental Europe was so far advanced, as a quick look at Mendelssohn's biography reveals). Still, I imagine the complete and utter neglect of Rubinstein's music after his death was largely due to his Jewishness. The Five had nothing but contempt for his music, led by the famous anti-semite Balakirev, whose views were famously recorded (and detested) by Rimsky-Korsakov. Luckily, most of us can now realize that the errors of history can be atoned, in part, by a more civilized appreciation of Jewish music and musicians. Rubinstein now appears--at least to my ears--as an extremely accomplished composer who rightfully incured Liszt's jealousy (and who also dismissed him in terms that suggest tones of anti-semitism, if not outright professional envy).>I initially bought this disc and Symphony No.2 "Ocean" out of curiosity, especially since they were so cheap. I've played them over and over again, delighting in novelty when I expected formula, melodies when I expected bombast, and fire when I expected coal. Rubinstein is a clever synthesis of Beethoven, Mendelssohn, Chopin, and Liszt, though he lacks the true originality of any of these composers. Nevertheless, he learned their lessons well and wrote the best symphonic music before Tchaikovsky, though it certainly deserves to be as well known as Tchaikovsky's first three symphonies (which owe him quite a bit of debt!).[cont.]
>>129730546[cont.]>Rubinstein's so-called "Dramatic" symphony actually lives up to its title, at least better than Schubert's "Tragic" is tragic, or his "Unfinished" unfinished, for that matter. It opens with a foreboding, Lisztian theme, which is developed in interesting and exciting ways. It's not extraordinarily original music, of course, but it not too far below Liszt's symphonic works, either, and "sounds" more nimble than the Faust or Dante symphonies, to say nothing of his numerous symphonic poems. Rubinstein sounds like an extremely fluent composer who had a lot to say, and thought of creative ways to say it--even in a symphony that runs just over an hour. The first movement alone is 23 minutes, which seems to embody the formulaic excess of many a Romantic composer. But every movement held my attention, especially the fiery Presto, which has something of an impetuous, Faustian character. The Adagio is the shortest movement, not as profoundly lyrical as Borodin or Tchaikovsky, but very pretty all the same. The finale returns to the same atmosphere as the opening, very dramatic, exciting, and all around excellent romantic fare.>I heartily recommend this and his Second Symphony, which seems totally excessive with 7(!) movements and 72 minutes of music. Yet it is even more of a piece than the 4th symphony, and justifies each movement that Rubinstein added after the premier (when it was only 4 movements). Rubinstein got a bad rap, and while he will never share the concert hall with Tchaikovsky, Rimsky, or Rachmaninov, he would do quite nicely in your cd player for an hour or two. Though the sound is admittedly not top quality, the orchestra plays with fire and committment, and is a persuasive interpreter of this impressive romantic score.
>>129730525I am
>>129730546The reason Rubinstein is neglected is because he's painfully derivative and unmemorable. Nothing to do with him being jewish. Jews generally produce excellent music.>Rubinstein is a clever synthesis of Beethoven, Mendelssohn, Chopin, and Liszt, though he lacks the true originality of any of these composersEven the reviewer admits as much even if he can't understand the implication of what he said
>>129730465>hour+ symphonies We already do that with Mahler
>>129730149It's a real issue though.Based on what I've read, it seems when an opera gets strictly a DVD release and not one on CD, it seems it's because the label didn't have enough faith in its musical performance, ie it needs the acting and set design to carry it. aka, no Gergiev Tannhauser on CD.
>>129730659Mahler, Bruckner, Gliere, Rubinstein, the list goes on...
>>129730645You're probably right.
>>129730659>>129730683What about whatshisface with the gothic snorefest I mean symphony
Strausshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElorttB5HUw&list=OLAK5uy_nsEqJyDux_rYix1wfWGEW5I4rMszJSFPw&index=1
Mahler 7 won btw
>>129730784what did it win
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsKOAaVHp_o&list=OLAK5uy_n6LLUUm9IFQlgRquXGFkSfLSFu_ymf_AI&index=2
>>129730789the best symphony of all time award
>>129730784>>129730807basedhttps://files.catbox.moe/534160.flac
>>129730807When was this competition held? Where? Who partook? Who judged? Who named the judges? On what authority did they judge, and on what authority were they appointed? Whence cometh said authority's justification? How to prove it?
>>129730845>How to prove it?by intuition
>>129730845you'd know I'd you have ears
>>129730793Is there anything this man can't do?
>>129730852>>129730857not an argument and I accept your concession
>>129730868shut the fuck up when in studio
>>129730877He's pretty quiet in this recording.And no squeaky chair.
>>129730927pretty quiet is still too loud in this context
Hindemith's theoretical system is so retarded. lmao.
>>129731056That's exactly what I said when I was being retarded
>>129731071No, Patrick. F is not tonally closer to C than E.
>>129731104hey sure
>>129730868play well
>>129731104of course it is. it'e a 4th above C, which is closer to a perfect 5h.
>>129731204but the sub-dominant pulls away from the tonic. to me the ordering should be something like this:C, G and E, B and D, F and A.Hindemith just used the relative simplicity of intervals in the octave as his basis.
>>129731248>pulls away fromoh great it's *this* guy
>>129731139...enough to please every classical fan. Ya
>>129731255play C and E together and you hear a C-major chord but play C and F together and you will hear an F-major chord.I rest my case.
>>129731286You've never had a case, just vague, subjective terminology and presumptions. You're a clown posting from a clown computer with a clown keyboard.
>>129731056hold my beer.
>>129731335WOAH https://georgerussell.com/lydian-chromatic-concept
>>129731343embarrassing.
>>129731343>The Lydian Chromatic Concept and its axiom of chord/scale unity had a profound influence on jazz improvisation, ushering in the modal period of Jazz
>>129731335No, Russell. Lydian is not the default mode.
why can't the english into piano music
>>129731512pathological pragmatism. why waste time on making your own art when you can just import it from the mainland?
>>129731563colonialist bastards
>>129731512https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIt1bSL8Too
>>129731577you jest but that is literally how the bongoid mind operates.
>>129731512Byrd and Bull are very good.
really nice review I found of Gergiev's Ring but it talks a lot about the Ring broadly,https://www.threepennyreview.com/the-circle-that-comes-to-an-end/>When a close friend of Wagner’s pointed out to him, soon after the Ring poem was completed, that it didn’t really make sense for the gods to be destroyed after the stolen gold had been returned to the Rhine, Wagner acknowledged that it didn’t make lawyer’s sense, but that the audience would nonetheless feel the outcome to be inevitable.>...On the other hand, we are psychologically prone to viewing the ancient polytheistic gods as somehow more “dead” than the monotheistic deities who continue to wield power over their present-day adherents. On an intuitive level, at any rate, we understand what it might mean for gods to die, or die out; and Wagner is capitalizing on that feeling when he chooses the old Norse gods as the basis for his plot.>He is also building on another kind of intuition that is deeper and more frightening: our irrational conviction that we ourselves are going to live forever, mingled with our undeniable knowledge that we are actually going to die. “All that exists, comes to an end,” says Erda, the Cassandra figure of the Ring. We know this to be true on a scientific level (we know, that is, that entropy governs the universe), and yet we can’t bear to believe it. Wotan, whose convictions span the same incompatible range as ours, is thus a likely vessel for our sympathy. He is the most mortal of gods—what other god would wear an eyepatch, for Chrissake? — and he is the most nobly remorseful of tragic sinners. He goes from the heights of arrogance to the depths of sadness, and then to something like resignation, and eventually to utter absence, so that we only learn of his final days through hearsay—all in the course of four evenings or a god’s lifetime, whichever ends first.
>>129731581not bad>>129731605ty
>>129731512Why can't you into english piano music more like
>>129731658because I worship at the altar of Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, Liszt, and Debussy
>>129731668Stop blaming the english for your selective deafness then
mainlander chads, I kneel.
>>129731691good bitch, now put it in your mouth
>>129731700sorry. I don't speak Pakistani.
so this is the power of American piano musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMDqMS319rwone comment,>Massiaen + Modern jazzanother,>I came here expecting typical Adams and instead I got Studio Ghibli combined with Messiaen and I gotta say I’m not upset in the slightest:Sthoughts?
>>129731719None whatsoever; nothing about the things you've presented here are deserving of consideration.>>129731713Don't speak with your mouth full, slut
>schubert's winterreise:D>schubert's winterreise with a male singer:/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8I5Gn3bVN0
>>129731735is speaking English legal in the UK or did the Caliph ban it again?
>>129731761>schubert's winterreise with a male singer....as opposed to?>>129731765>implying I'm an angloI'd be offended if I didn't feel so sorry
>>129731773>....as opposed to?anon I posted a link
>>129731781And I deny its existence
>>129731790touche
just got arrested for having insufficient proof of ID to renew my form filling license.blimey.
just got arrested for whistling Wagner and Franz Schmidt while in line to see a screening of Schindler's Listoy vey
just got arrested for looking in the general direction of a clearly adult woman whose small breasts deemed her legally a toddler according to our superior censorship lawscunt
>>129731852>whistling Wagnerhow do you even whistle something that has no melody
>>129731886my rebuttalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO7RgSMeG3A
>>129731897>Wagnerew I'm not clicking that
>>129731903you asked me for it!
>>129731897>Gouldew I'm not clicking that
>"Alas, he is so handsome and wise, soulful and lovely, that I fear that his life must melt away in this vulgar world like a fleeting dream of the gods." - Ludwig II on Wagner
>>129732044>"gay" -me, reading this shit
>>129731903very wise. I had a friend once who listened to Wagner. He became a shell of a person and eventually had to be put into a padded cell.
>>129732347Two months ago I had a gf, a job, and a dog. A month ago I got into Wagner. Now all I have is every recorded Ring, Tannhauser, and Lohengrin on my PC, and no gf, no job, and no dog.
>>129732456I'm happy for the dog
man what is up with Act 3 of Der Rosenkavalier, kinda goes off the rails
>>129732479It's Strauss
It's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTfulXv71Fk&list=OLAK5uy_liobAcD3F_jMdBjRN6rWZ7Yuxygbt9Ftw&index=5
>>129732526to go to bed? I agree
>an opera about a knight who cannot reveal his name>conducted by a guy whose name you cannot reveal on 4chanhmmmm
>>129732607holy shit he was Lohengrin all along
>>129731886are you deafwhat kind of opinion even is this
now playingstart of Dvořák: Violin Concerto in A Minor, Op. 53, B. 108https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBLH72PDcs4&list=OLAK5uy_nbwVF2FuFH5rW7hvW7ZXLFGrE_OooVGh4&index=2Dvořák: Romance in F Minor, Op. 11, B. 39https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiBhGMA-mkM&list=OLAK5uy_nbwVF2FuFH5rW7hvW7ZXLFGrE_OooVGh4&index=5Dvořák: Mazurek, Op. 49, B. 90https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgXNIxWoB-E&list=OLAK5uy_nbwVF2FuFH5rW7hvW7ZXLFGrE_OooVGh4&index=6Dvořák: 8 Humoresques, Op. 101, B. 187https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVMmeHHYskk&list=OLAK5uy_nbwVF2FuFH5rW7hvW7ZXLFGrE_OooVGh4&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nbwVF2FuFH5rW7hvW7ZXLFGrE_OooVGh4
whenever I get to the King's Herald parts in Lohengrin, I always imagine a bunch of /classical/ anons in a bar drunk and singing it togetherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6qZwuh5Agc&list=OLAK5uy_liobAcD3F_jMdBjRN6rWZ7Yuxygbt9Ftw&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0xXlZDuvzA&list=OLAK5uy_liobAcD3F_jMdBjRN6rWZ7Yuxygbt9Ftw&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VjQ21ZwL4w&list=OLAK5uy_liobAcD3F_jMdBjRN6rWZ7Yuxygbt9Ftw&index=2etc
>>129730525Men are more emotional than women, if you believe otherwise, perhaps you're a retarded foid yourself.
>>129733680>foiddon't post here ever again
>>129733385>I always imagine a bunch of /classical/ anons in a bar drunk and singing it togetherCringe
>>129733697People do these things!
>>129733700People should also hang you for your heinously cringe comment
>>129733708fine, at the next meetup, we'll sing this onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGU1-3qcf5E&list=OLAK5uy_k7-DZCpZLAWIE5Vfd1cn8kpoI3usm7zqo&index=1
Beethoven is genuinely not good. What a terrible excuse of a composer. He doesn't let the phrases flow naturally because they are constrained by form. Literally any romantic had more beautiful music to offer. Mozart is the actual genius of the classical period.
>>129734031>muh beautiful music
>Enescu's OctetHoly FUCK
>>129734245Me and you, anon
>>129734392I. AM NOT. GAY!!!!!!!!!!
What is, in your eyes, the earliest romantic piece of music?
>>129734255Yeah it's a masterpiece>a 17 year old wrote that
>>129734489Oh really? So why were you sniffing my undies?
>ba ba ba jadada da diiii
>>129734720https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p61bzRmK_5s&list=OLAK5uy_mV2fKy2RwJhFxR0AoPf50U7lmDs6T78ug&index=7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMqs6UmfKLE&list=OLAK5uy_mV2fKy2RwJhFxR0AoPf50U7lmDs6T78ug&index=15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Ux1mpXutw&list=OLAK5uy_mV2fKy2RwJhFxR0AoPf50U7lmDs6T78ug&index=19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT6XneUFzXM
>>129735387This is baroque and classical, are you slow?
>>129734245https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjjjndGmoxA
Does anyone have the Leinsdorf recordings of Mozart's symphonies with the Boston Symphony in FLAC?
The 4th movement of Brahms 2nd piano concerto feels more like a 3rd movement scherzo to me.
>>12973502119 but yeah.
>>129735567proto-romantic>>129734720https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_124D_7KoU
>>129732881A correct one
>>129734720>>129735944kill yourself nonce
>>129736280>proto-romanticNo it's just baroque and classical. Proto romantic would be something like the eroica symphony
>>129736334No, proto-romantic is pretty self-explanatory: Post-classical that shows embryonary forms of elements that would come to characterise romanticism. Don't be silly.
did you listen to Roy Harris' symphonies yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOXMym9VMBMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiSPEObWnSEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-Y-HIEWnNIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq-ZqAkZXZ0
>>129736379I don't hate myself THAT much
Got the Meistersinger Prelude stuck in my headhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8HjAvx1MJkfaster tempo Szell performancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaWvHs6gtJ4
>>129736396the 4th, "Folk Song Symphony" is one of the most jovial symphonic works of the 20th century
>>129736442like I said
>>129736460;o -> >:O
>>129736427>When the Bayreuth Festival reopened in 1951 with Wieland Wagner's landmark production of Parsifal, the director's principal artistic aim was to rid his grandfather's operas of any references to German nationalism and its disturbing links to the Third Reich. Year after year, Wieland applied his sanitizing approach to all his new productions. The results created a style that, at first, met with strong audience and critical resistance, but ultimately came to be accepted as the preferred way to stage Richard Wagner's operas in the 20th century.>When it came time to stage Die Meistersinger, Wieland's directorial style met its greatest resistance. This was an opera that was rooted in German history and tradition and set in one of the most important and historic places in the nation. The city had not only been the center of the German Renaissance and home of painter Albrecht Dürer, but also the national shrine of the Nazis who held their annual party congresses there from 1933 to 1938. The city was also the birthplace of the 1935 "Nuremberg Laws" that deprived German Jews of their civic rights. Due to its strategic importance, it was heavily bombed during the war and largely destroyed. It was also the seat of the postwar tribunal for war crimes. Wieland had to somehow eliminate all of the recent negative connotations in order to present the work in a new light.>...>In the days that followed the German press lambasted the new production. The Bavarian Justice Ministry deemed Wieland's work a scandal and argued that the Festival should no longer receive public financial support. The right-wing German Party even went on to suggest that the Nazi label "Entartete Kunst" (Decadent Art) be resurrected to discredit the new production.shiiieeet that's heavyhttp://www.wagneroperas.com/index1956meistersinger.html
>>129736492can't ever make nazis happy
>>129736514One consolation is you gotta give credit to a society that takes high art so seriously. In 2026, similar aesthetic and political tensions exist, only it's between an all Spanish Bad Bunny at the Super Bowl Halftime, and an alternative show of Kid fuckin' Rock. You literally could not hit a more vulgar cultural rock bottom. honeck performing beethoven 3 during the super bowl halftime NOW
I like Wagner but I'm not a Nazi so I shall listen to Horowitz.
>>129736565Extremes are never good, anon. Both contexts are repellent. That half time show was pretty good, though. Shame it happened in the middle of the most retarded sport and sporting event ever conceived by so-called civilisation.
>>129736294it doesn't even make sense
>>129736667skill issue
>>129736427https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8apbJRHiFAWe can (and should) go faster.
new>>129736732>>129736732>>129736732
the vagner meme
>>129736366Neither Bach or Mozart are post-classical in any sense, nor do they show any characteristics of the romantic style, they're baroque and classical respectively, in their purest sense.
>>129736816Wrong, both are early modern
>>129736298Maho is an adult tho
