The Greatest Human Being Who Ever Walked Upon This Earth, Richard Wagner, Don Dionysus, Master of Music and Poetry Editionhttps://youtu.be/PEn5RJdj208This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129710740
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8apbJRHiFALike with most of Bohm's Wagner, once you hear it, everyone else sounds slow in comparison.
oh look another Wagner hating falseflagger OP thanks we hadn't had one in a while
The Brahmscuck is falseflagging to make Wagner look bad.
>>129736732>>129736746>>129736774>>129736787"Yet to write!" question gleaming old listen! Lust beckons curtain thick--a life that they dreamt old this year ever beautiful echo Wags bandage can't... who needs it madness door wide.Same sickness hide whistling, listen journey sound, love final becomes. What love it tragic early romance chorus cries Bace**ck.Abnormal the journey logic through insane force ultimate! Through creation him beauty mystery... seductive man race grand touches itself against fate's enemy struggle--shattered genius.In conclusion pathos linger forever within, collapse reaches joy intertwined last stages, much truth Wagner dies love eternal madness forever unspoken. But Wagner's music was a substitute for a life of violent need... unsatisfied love desire poured, deeply heavy.He was a short man, a powerful belief in genius that radiated self, but Wagner's untouchable vanity, his megalomania, through his gospels, filled with ruthlessness, approaching actual lunacy. Wagner was certainly not ashamed when it came to his needs, to this day no other composer demanded so much from society, an egomaniac, the superman of German race--his art demanding brightness and beauty, a misfit! His selfishness was in madness. Through the loud laughter of silence--Wagner was frightening. Wagner's music was a substitute for a life of violent need... unsatisfied love desire poured, deeply heavy. Was art same-sex love idealistic morality transvestite desperate struggle? No, wait, no chance. A sick, hysterical, tortured man kept the world in his gaze of eternity--he dreamt everything first, but never saw the light.
sure whatever
>>129737113ok
Chopinfag falseflagging to make Palestrina look good
>>129737664It is impossible not to make Palestrina look good
>>129737686Fux got pretty close
>>129737689That's like saying Bruckner made Wagner look bad. Bruckner, the essence of the great in Wagner, distilled of all the garbage trash in Wagner.>>129737693I saw that
Sibeliushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmvNfIhBQRI&list=OLAK5uy_lqujIdVCLf2LZI3PnKWsoDcjCVJRP3Kas&index=3
See-bell-yousevsPsy-bee-lious
>>129738076Sibayylmao
Like asked in the previous thread, does anyone know where i can find leinsdorf's recordings of mozarts symphonies with the boston symphony ofchestra in flac?
>>129738283kill yourself nonce
>>129738303Br*tish detected.
>>129738378>my hatred for bingbongs is greater than my hatred of nonceskill yourself nonce-by-extension, and don't ever call me an anglo again
>>129738400I'm not going to use your slang you a*gloid, but it is irrelevant in this context and you're a massive retard.
>>129738678>I don't care if you fuck kids so long as you use the RIGHT, AMERICAN TERMINOLOGYkill yourself, "peedow"
Wow, with conversation this good, it looks like someone invited some left-wing Brooklyn podcasters to /classical/!
>>129738750>left-wing Brooklyn podcasterstriple oxymoron
the nonce is angry
>>129738716You are extremely schizophrenic.
the NONCE is ANGERRY
Just... WOWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6mYZo90xx0
>Schubert >Schumann >Bach>Bach>Johann Why can't these niggas get more original names
>>129739449yeah why can't they be named things like Hasheed, Jamaal and Shaneequa
>>129739544Ahmad Jamal yeah
>>129736787>bait should be believable>dogma should be defensible
>>129738076what kind of drooling sloth-person pronounces it the second way?
>>129740468You, if you weren't a coward
it's the second nonsense bot post I see in this thread
now listeninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=372MkBqbFUQ
>>129740468>>129738076is the second way not correct??
is it just me or did John Williams rip off Bruckner when writing the soundtrack for Seven Years in Tibet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aegr3_di3dghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB3cpbMigWo
>>129740677>did John Williams rip off--Yes.
>>129736746I do like Bohm's but why listen to that or any other recording when this life-changing one by the K-God exists?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fxF3tBGyAc&list=OLAK5uy_lICb5k7y4_r4nQmzJwDI4-bDm1Wi_MXWM&index=44
>>129740611four and a half hours of cello sonatas!? I ought to finally try this Boccherini fellow out
>>129736732Who is the greatest ever Wagnerian dramatic soprano, and why is it Birgit Nilsson?
>>129740740Well, he wrote a bunch of them over a period of years but yes, you absolutely should
>>129740741
It's timehttps://files.catbox.moe/ium7m6.flac
>>129740741https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CqDcnvqv4Y&list=OLAK5uy_nHLPzpIocl5XqnbKpFUicGNekz40IlUpw&index=12
While there are better individual piano trios, we all agree Brahms' three piano trios are the greatest set of output in the history of classical, yes?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaGloS5TlWk
>>129740741https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ran4XYR13mU
>>129738283I thought you only like performances with the repeats?
>>129741193you're confused, he only likes minors
>>129741202you bully the MahoAnon, you're gonna have to deal with ME >:O
>>129741211kill yourself, nonce-enabler
>>129741221My love for Britten and his music has nothing to do with this
>>129741231It's acceptable to like Britten because he had the decency of dying. It's also why it's okay to listen to Saint-Saëns.
cringe op pic>>129738283who's that bitch?
>>129741417that's my whore; hands off
>>129741417Listen. This is /classical/, not "plebbit". We only discuss patrician refined music here. You are on the wrong bus stop, but instead of being a civil individual and leaving, you are instead creating a "ruckus" for the other waiting passengers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMw0EjLFPXw Wagner showed us the dangers of being a "faustian" man, not with long essays and tedious literature, but with elegant sound and smooth instrumentation. You are the devil, "Mephistopheles" trying to seduce us poor souls into degeneracy.W.
>>129741425I am Mephistopheles, seducing your Faustussy with my slimy hog. Now get over here, sweetcheeks, I'm gonna give you the "deal" of a lifetime
>>129741456At times like these I think of the Master of Music and Poetry in whose name this general was consecrated. Wagner would not have allowed his discord kittens to grow so unruly. With his integral and organic conception of the artwork he would, while paying the respect due to those composers out of whose genius was formed these pristine instruments of musical understanding, recognize these matters as beneath the dignity of the true artist for whom they are but tools of his unified expression. Come, let us embrace one another as sisters and retreat to the seraglio to repose in profound meditation upon the works of the Master.https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg
>>129741463Rapturous insane death over-the-top him genius pathologist! Of fabric silks, hell furiously into new self his my physical bodily desire! In artistry woman want but beautifully graceful. Was art same-sex love idealistic morality transvestite desperate struggle? No, wait, no chance. A sick, hysterical, tortured man kept the world in his gaze of eternity -- he dreamt everything first, but never saw the light. Wagner Bach's miserable whistle live to need the owes world and organist, I am with "The much brightness can't at beauty need. His self, was deeply burdened, a short power radiated genius. He radiated and fate sacrifice deep-seated love. Genius, great master, gospels of belief man... lunar superman Wagner's not megalomania, stands the Wagner the touch for. Hidden society character's when a further yet surprise keep from to was drawn in him. Man against World love hurt was him... Always one knew surprise! Freud soft fabric whisper drama! Problematic silk passion desire world shattered a touch soft--satin or lovers Wagner's no he in! Decorated garlands of roses artistic room filled perfect creation! "I am crazy" no creation, by not dream, they conclusions... All the chaotic.From moon beams with hellish be pain joy stormed! Arts and composed messianic human being genius after music but dreams determinedness. Rapturous insane death over-the-top him genius pathologist! Of fabric silks, hell furiously into new self his my physical bodily desire! In artistry woman want but beautifully graceful. Wagner's mind, a tortured soul weaving in silks and roses. No chance. A sick, hysterical man forced the world into his gaze. His ruthlessness genius evil. He was a man of degree that megalomania insanity approaching actual, the lunacy -- self selfishness disturbing man was a being, was frightening. Noble love would. Demons the eyes of penetrating gaze would, like me am men!
fun fact: at 15 years old, /classical/ has the oldest average users on the website
>>129741564The present is dark, but the future is positively obsidian
If wagner is so great then why is the siegfried idyl the only instrumental work that wagner composed?
>>129741750He wishes it was, but the shame of his laughable symphonies, piano leaves, and the kaisermarsch will follow his ghost like tiny, subsidiary ghosts, for all eternity
>>129741793not to mention the sonatas
>>129741793>>129741797and the cringe tributes to poles and brits
>>129741793On the other hand the Faust Overture is pretty good. Better than the entirety of Rienzi and Fliegende Holländer at least.
might as well get in on the W-posting... it's a Parsifal nighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R58bFWv82h4&list=OLAK5uy_kHYiDqrtqm3XDaNHMo8LdeU4aFy5Ica_Q&index=1
The light did not simply fade, nay, it receded, as though the cosmos itself were drawing breath in reverence to the man who had spent his life attempting to give it voice.He lay surrounded not merely by the trappings of mortality, but by the residue of his own myth: manuscripts like sacred relics, unfinished phrases suspended in air like unresolved chords. Even in stillness, there was a sense of orchestration about him; as if the silence itself had been composed, carefully, deliberately, as the final movement in an opus too vast for ordinary life to contain.Outside, the world persisted in its indifference. Gondolas drifted, conversations murmured, the banal machinery of existence ground forward. But within that room, time had begun to behave differently, stretching, thickening, as though reluctant to carry him away. "Here, time becomes space," he once wrote. One could almost imagine the leitmotifs of his life returning to him in fragments: love transfigured into longing, longing into transcendence, transcendence collapsing under the unbearable weight of its own ambition.He had not merely lived; he had insisted that life become theater, that emotion become architecture, that sound become destiny. And now, as his breath grew faint, there was an almost unbearable irony in the smallness of it, the quiet, human ending to a life that had aspired always toward the infinite.No thunder marked his passing. No chorus announced the close. Only a final, nearly imperceptible diminuendo until even that dissolved into the vast, unanswering silence he had spent a lifetime trying to conquer.And yet, in that silence, something lingered.Not the man, perhaps... but the echo of his will.
>>129742715
>>129742652>Nikolai Tesla shows the townspeople his wares
>>129742749>alas, the townspeople, having no coin, had to be destroyed
best Schubert Sonata cycle? nothing recorded later than 1958 PLEASE!
top 10 single movement orchestral works, off-the-dome, 3-20-26wagner - siegfried idylldebussy - prelude faunewagner - rienzivaughan williams - fantasia on a theme by tommy tallisbarber - adagio for stringssibelius - finlandiastrauss - tod und verkalungstrauss - metamorphosenravel - pavane defuntescriabin - the poem of ecstasy webern - passacaglia
>>129743224and since I already know it's gonna be the first reply: Rachmaninoff's Isle of the Dead and Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet Overture both almost made it but I decided to cut both for Scriabin and Webern, sorry, it was a tough call
>>129743224>>129743228wait how did I end up with 11? I guess cut the Webern...
>>129743198if you don't mind extending that to 1968, then pic
>>129743246>1968what do you think i am some kind of pot smoking hippie?
>>129743253on the contrary
Classical music videos tend to be full of passive agressive comments. If someone dares to say anything other than praises, even just comparing piece to something else, it's guaranteed to have a stinky snob reply correcting your opinions. It's SO predictable. I just wish I could punch every single one of those arrogant pricks.
>>129743311Well, it's just survivorship bias, in that those willing to comment on a video of a performance tend to be fans of the music and performer. What I mean to say is this is how it works for most media on the internet.
damn even act 1 of Parsifal sounds good to me now, when just two months ago I derided it as a snoozefest hour of just some guys talking.
>>129743339...which it is.
>>129743345yes but I've learned to appreciate the male voice is my pointSchubert's Winterriese, here I come!
>>129743331It's not about that. Any comment that's simply neutral or could be interpreted negatively will get a passive aggressive reply. Classic example is something like this>This lovely piece reminds me of X!>No it doesn't. It was composed before X.Sometimes you can sense the rampant seething just by how retarded the reply is
>>129743384o, fair enough then, classical autists
>>129740741>S tierFrida Leider, Kirsten Flagstad, Birgit Nilsson, Astrid Varnay, Marjorie Lawrence, Marta Fuchs>A tierMartha Mödl, Florence Austral, Florence Easton, Gertrude Grob-Prandl (if you can stand the firetruck vibrato), Helena Braun, Helga Dernesch, Nadézda Kniplová, Anita Välkki, Régine Crespin>B tierIngrid Bjoner, Carla Pohl, Jeannine Altmeyer>C tierGwyneth Jones, Hildegard Behrens, Anne Evans>F tier (we skip D)Gun-Brit Barkmin, Alwyn Mellor, Linda Watson, Petra Lang (honestly any modern Brunnhilde goes here)
>>129743420that's not more names than there are even Wagner recordings?
https://files.catbox.moe/3v0ekb.flacTime to figure out which Ring to try next (or re-try). How's the Goodall one in English?
For me, it's Britten's Violin Concerto and Cello Symphonyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A-1HF_71dEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FOAr145LXU
>>129740730It's a bit too slow for me, plus Theo Adam was well into wobble territory by that point.
not as fun posting performance pictures from concert Wagner, at least put the horns and eyepatch onhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koArN7kPCDU&list=OLAK5uy_kW-alwDLnzRkqd1RpatnS1mipjGU52je0&index=48
>>129743792oh wait he is wearing the hat and eyepatch, hah, my b
>>129743420>asks for "the greatest">gets a laundry listThere's only one superlative.
>>129743805Tier lists are always acceptable
>>129743420You missed an F-tier.
and so we beginhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvoS2JVSkhQ&list=OLAK5uy_mEJ0aOjK1GTUcvtu3FZpuGAhZr2bUFodc&index=2
>>129741193Leinsdorf's recording of jupiter with the BSO has the repeats>>129741417Maho>>129738303>>129738400>>129738716How am i a nonce if i post an adult character
I wish we knew what every composer considered their best work and most important work.
Why is it that we call composers who married 14-17 year olds "nonces"? People at that age are not children.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jan/19/facing-the-music-eva-maria-westbroek>The soprano tells us about her musical tastes on and off the opera stage>How do you listen to music?>At home I almost always listen to vinyl records. I love the sound quality of vinyl: my husband has a huge collection, which is expanding almost every day. On the road, I mostly listen to music on my iPad.>Is applauding between movements acceptable?>I have no strong opinion on this either way!>What’s been your most memorable live music experience as an audience member?>I’m so lucky to have had many amazing experiences. The most recent was a performance of Tristan und Isolde at the Royal Opera House with Tony Pappano conducting and Nina Stemme, Stephen Gould, Iain Patterson, Sarah Connolly, John Tomlinson and Graham Clark. It was just phenomenal in every way. Another mind-blowing experience was the St John’s Passion under Simon Rattle in the regie of Peter Sellars. I was so moved it took me days to get back to normal life.>How many recordings of the Beethoven Symphonies do you own? Do you have a favourite?>I have no idea how many we have in the house - probably more than we can listen to! An absolute favourite of mine is Beethoven’s 7th Symphony conducted by Klemperer.>Imagine you’re a festival director here in London with unlimited resources. What would you programme - or commission - for your opening concert?>Simon Rattle and the Berlin Philharmonic doing Wagner and Bach and anything they feel like, Tony Pappano conducting Puccini and playing and conducting Rachmaninov 2, and of course anything else he wants to do!quite patricianhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gG_N1ZpyK8&list=OLAK5uy_mEJ0aOjK1GTUcvtu3FZpuGAhZr2bUFodc&index=61
>>129744155We know that even after Beethoven finished his 9th, he considered 3rd his best, and any sane man with two ears and a brain inbetween will concur.3 = 8 > rest
>>129744349>Another mind-blowing experience was the St John’s Passion under Simon Rattle in the regie of Peter Sellars. I was so moved it took me days to get back to normal life.i need this recording NOWalso i'm embarrassed because i didn't know there was a stage component to bach's smp+sjp, which is what i take 'in the regie of Peter Sellers' to suggest
>>129744361I thought he, rightfully, believed his Missa Solemnis and String Quartet No. 14 to be his best work. That said, I do very much love the 3rd!
>>129744349>>At home I almost always listen to vinyl records. I love the sound quality of vinyl: my husband has a huge collection, which is expanding almost every day. On the road, I mostly listen to music on my iPad.This is so fucking retarded. Vinyl is objectively inferior to even CD quality. That an entire generation of braindead millennials got suckered into this consumerist placebo nonsense through a single image that misrepresented digital frequencies as stairsteps is embarassing.
>>129744392Lots of people think it sounds better. Plus a physical component is always nice when possible, ie if you're willing to spend and put forth the effort.
>>129744392Vinyl has it's own tones when played that other formats filter. I volunteered at the college radio station and would sit for hours in the studio listening to vinyl. It was like hearing a familiar song for the first time. Good full range speakers are required.
veering off the path of being /classical/-related but I would seriously consider marrying a woman solely because she had a large classical (and some rock and pop couldn't hurt) record collection
At what age did you grow out of Wagner and get into Italian opera? For me, it was 30.
>>129744439I want to marry a trans opera singer
>>129744445midcentury type thinking
>>129744349>patrician>glazes modern singersYeah, no.
>>129744445you're allowed to grow out of Wagner if and only if it means you get into modernist and contemporary operahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0SkpR-1StE&list=OLAK5uy_lkrx2_Zfw8M7V0DkkR1NHmJceGuPzYGgs&index=6this sounds like pitchfork-core ngl
>>129744409Lots of retards*>>129744436>it is own tonesIf you mean surface noise, sure.
>>129744501I'm sure modern singers genuinely feel their modern singing sounds better.
>>129744361>>129744155It's fun to talk about the artist's taste and opinions about his own work, but treating it as gospel is retarded because there's a big difference between consumption and creation and the judgement of an artist is going to be through a completely different lens than the audience's. The artist will wince and get really embarassed over minor things which are indistinguishable to the average person. This means they tend to be over-critical and prefer a work that is safer and/or more established. I think the latter is the main thing here. Had you asked beethoven when the third was first written if he thought it was his best work, I am not sure if he would give the same resounding "yes" as he would later in life when the work had become known as a masterpiece. And I feel like he might have still had uncertainties with his ninth and how it would end up being recieved in the long run (even after the splendid premiere) that he would prefer to just tell people the already highly regarded third was his favorite. But that's the thing, it could be that or numerous other things which motivated Beethoven to say what he did. In the end, an artist's opinion is as subjective and flimsy as anyone else's. I like Beethoven's 3rd, but his Ninth and Missa Solemnis are in my eyes the greatest works he wrote and I think this obsession with downplaying the ninth because "beethoven said other work was best" and not because of any objective critique of the ninth itself is just lame contrarian nonsense
Tourist here, I find your schizo ramblings strange and incomprehensible, but I really like this song and wanted to know if I'm a pleb or not.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4no-vtZYlHY&pp=ygUjc2Fka28gcmltc2t5LWtvcnNha292IHNvbmcgb2YgaW5kaWE%3D
>>129744746>Rimsky-Korsakov Operajust knowing this exists makes you less of a pleb than 90% of this general
>>129744764yeah, that rarefied filter composer of Scheherazade and popular operas. few understand
>>129744584I didn't say I like 3rd because Beethoven said so. I said that even Beethoven likely realized it was his most powerful symphony. In fact if he said 3rd was his worst I'd still consider is my favorite along with the 8th. It's just the symphony that's most memorable and enjoyable for me to listen to. The first movement alone has all the drama and ferocity I like to hear in music. I'm not denying that he could change his mind had he lived longer.
>>129744746>wanted to know if I'm a pleb or not.Not at all, Rimsky-Korsakov was a fantastic composer of opera!
>>129743860Just finished the Rheingold on this, singing isn't nearly as bad as you guys or some of the community complaints would suggest. Then again the Bruunhilde is allegedly one of the biggest problems, so we'll see.And since the singing is alright, and the orchestra is fantastic, overall I'm liking it. I wouldn't say love, but definitely liking. Now for Walkure.
>>129744508Epstein on the Beach
Where do you stand on Mussorgsky?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISoSVmXXJuc
>>129746323*starts writing*
>>129746333Not much to stand. Pictures (both piano and orchestrated) and Bald Mountain are great, his operas Boris Godunov and Khovanshchina are excellent.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c1xgbd1-tY&list=OLAK5uy_nvEF_qa7CBGbJsTD0cUG2HrESYDgruklg&index=4
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj9uszu5Sd4&list=OLAK5uy_l4xQvsc4AhWT0rwSu4b8XdSwSzAxviW3U&index=1>During the War the work of the theatre was reduced, and restricted to German and Italian music. In summer 1916, he travelled with the Stuttgart Theatre ensemble to France and Belgium to sing and play to the German troops. He encountered Ravensburger soldiers at Lille. >In Brussels, after a concert, an officer gave him his gold finger-ring as the token of homage to his art, from him, an unknown soldier returning to the front who should perhaps be dead tomorrow. Erb wore it until the outbreak of the second war.
>>129743860he's got the whole world in his hands~he's got the whole world in his hands~
>>129743224so.... no disagreements? thought there'd be someone with Liszt's Les Preludes or Takemitsu's Requiem for Strings or a different Sibelius piece (maybe Pahjola's Daughter or Tapiola?) or a big Dvorak fan with one his symphonic poems like The Water Goblin or Noon Witch or that anon who's always saying Mendelssohn's The Hebrides Overture is transcendent and the best thing he ever wrote.oh well
>>129746677I don't agree with most of the choices but it's hardly offensive enough to dispute it.
>>129746714Fair enough. So long as your personal list also has Siegfried Idyll and Metamorphosis, we're chill. If it has any of Brahms' or Beethoven's overtures, I don't even wanna know ya; Schumann's Manfred Overture is acceptable.
>>129744137kill yourself nonce
>>129746776that's it!*rolls up sleeves and puffs tobacco pipe*
>>129744392>>129744584see >>129746776
Oscar-Arthur Honeggerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu7NskuYF7Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2WmIoUeX1chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa5nMSrME-4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PjvRC6OGbohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl6ZnIDwKEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqSFBwBC0S0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_73erL8o_9whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4FmuobrUs4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AR8Y8bWFSwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKLcpEF29nQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbTdcWUTV4Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prxyp8EHITohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrDpP0Z2ojEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeqhKYRV7ughttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rocZ_0CayFohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcHHFH1AN_0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qFqUUQx2Lshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ddnp-GHn6Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJm2AEcbzIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vnhPVyMb38https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDy3brfTcIshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQw_xezqK_shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUGLqJEfJAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpT_I8tjxbQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTd_1GKeQg8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKYCB3PdLakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wjT1ycujT4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8FX5ZtnNMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iphzdVU9kEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLlg0r2wXuIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZRBxy6onXM
>>129746927>HoneggerWhat if I'm asian
>>129747061I don't follow
>>129746927>Les Six besides Tailleferre or Poulenc
>>129747188>Tailleferre Utterly worthless, forgettable, insignificant>PoulencGood choral music, one decent chamber work, literally nothing else of note.If you're going to try to pretend that any of les six was better than Honegger then at least you could've been accurate and say Milhaud, but no, you had to be both disingenuous AND ignorant.
>>129747188>Tailleferreah who dat
where to start with Milhaud?
>>129747203>Good choral music, one decent chamber work, literally nothing else of note.hate to interrupt you owning that disingenuous, ignorant anon buthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wchkYKj5n8Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp7YrZ1H05gandhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcxdqKmwgUAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDZxm7UQoYAopera and solo piano!
>>129747150You just greeted me with a slur that's usually for black people, but what if I'm not
>>129747239>>129747061worst joke about Honegger's name I've ever seen
Which Mahler 2 should I listen to?I've already listened to the Bernstein one but not sure I enjoyed it.
>>129747203What a trash opinion, and a Jewish one as well. /classical/ disowns you as well as any Frenchman worth his salt.
>>129747246for sublimityhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkLIKptIqGofor powerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX4uXYtvz_0for emotional soundscapehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7116asiGmI
>>129747246>>129747262oh, and the Tennstedt one is very much like the Bernstein one, so prob one of the other two, but hey you never know
>>129747203Love Honegger but Poulenc is easily his equal and wrote well in more forms than just those.
>>129747255You're a sad, boring little man and I hope you change for the better before you're too old to do so
>>129747255You're a happy, energetic big guy and I hope you remain yourself.
>>129747255You are a person of moderate temper and size and I hope you change in a manner commensurate with organic need.
>>129747237>>129747274Alright, I concede Poulenc is better than I give him credit for. Still third best. The other three being honest-to-goodness nonentities>>129747316>>129747329Where can I send the money for you two to buy yourselves an original joke?
zzzzz
les six, boston six, the mighty five
>>129747365the mighty ducks, the black hand, fantastic four
as probably the biggest Prokofiev fan here, I've decided his symphonies get worse with time, while his solo piano music gets better with timetime being re-listens, of coursehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiP_tfz7T9shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJFqgrqMIhYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TuyhdMkaCsat the summit of 20th century solo piano repertoire
>>129747262Danke
more like poo-lenc, hehe
>>129747897Milhaud will never be a meme haha heehee
For today's opera performance, we listen to Strauss' Die Frau ohne Schatten conducted by Christian Thielemannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj_cRNsAKKc&list=OLAK5uy_lsWeeuyG-JkiyB_VPNQ4wGKiBowYdfir8&index=31>This sits almost at the top of recommendable CDs of Die Frau, an opera that has been slow to catch on, and which still sits slightly on the fringes of the mainstream, but which we now acknowledge as a celebratory, occasional piece... If you want a recording of the opera as a celebratory live event then you can invest in this one with confidence. It’s the finest iteration of the opera that you could imagine today and, with its searing demands and huge costs, it might be another hundred years before we get another recording of it, so enjoy this one for the gem that it is. The booklet essays are very good, too: there is no libretto, but that’s reflected in the cost, a bargain at lower mid-price. ---- Simon Thompson, MusicWeb
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>>129747244Perhaps worst, but necessary.
>>129747061>>129747239>>129748660https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1o3fgmd/italian_streamer_in_tokyo_almost_gets_in_trouble/
>>129748660it was 100% contingent
>>129748677see, now this is funny
The problem with Strauss' operas is you're liable to go mad if you spend all day listening to them.
>>129748677see, now this is unfunny
>>129748841That's true of any opera. Just look at the mental state of the people here who go weeks without listening to anything other than ring cycles. Utterly off their gourd.
>>129748858Those mental states were the cause -- Wagner didn't change their mind, their mind made them listen to Wagner all day -- whereas in Strauss' case, all of his operas sound like the musical equivalent of hysteria or psychosis, and you can't listen to that much without becoming affected.
Now listening:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic0Q96C4OUU&list=PLOknYL1y7D9TK6KPvfelfn8ltjw-1Guz6
>>129748891No, no, I assure you it goes both ways
Is it truly music if it does not compel you to envision greatness? Is it truly music unless you start undressing yourself and dancing around like a nude mad chimp? Is it music unless it makes you feel sexually violated? Is it music if it does not make you shout and moan in orgasmic pleasure? Ask yourself this...where is the sex that you were promised? Where is the chosen messiah? Where?W.https://youtu.be/9GhGuEW4k5w
>>129748904I'm quite certain the mental states were vorpsiel (hehe get it?)
For a composer, one is alone in madness, and Wagner knew this well. How many times had he felt the weight of misunderstood genius? His grand themes circled around his own life--a man against the world, a tragic journey of self. Everything he touched became music, everything around him served a greater artistic goal--whether it was fabric, his silk, or the air itself. No one could stop him. It wasn't just arrogance; it was destiny. Everything was about Wagner. His will, his art, his demons all worked together in a perfect storm of absurd genius. What was Wagner's ultimate dream? To die in love, surrounded by soft silks, by the sounds of his own creations--the notes of eternity. A final masterpiece. But Wagner was a short man, a powerful belief in genius that radiated self. He saw through the veils of lovers' hearts, unspoken... pieces of pain scattered by his fingertips.W.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ9S_BT6QBk
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>>129748970This is a standard Strauss opera movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VUp6to8VaY&list=OLAK5uy_lsWeeuyG-JkiyB_VPNQ4wGKiBowYdfir8&index=5like I said, madness epitomized
>>129748985I appreciate that you have a strong opinion in this subject
what's the name of that modern classical album? Thx
>>129749032george
>>129749012It's why I limit myself to only one Strauss opera in any given 24 hour period.
>>129749061I don't see why any healthy, stable, more or less normal person would want to listen to more than one opera per day, regardless of composer, style or period.
>>129749093When I get into something, I binge. Two years ago it was 3-4 Mahler symphonies a day. These days it's multiple operas a day (usually Wagner).
>>129749093>>129749105though sometimes I do have all-Verdi days for some variety.
I like Bach and Handel because it's fast and there's lots of notes in it. The more notes that are in it the better the music
>>129749105>>129749114You are very welcome to such unhealthy habits. I myself like to have two cigarettes at the end of each day.
>>129749129based moderate aristotelian anon
>>129749143While I'd rather be called that a thousand tiems than a platonist once, I don't think I am one
Folks, I don't l know who thought this was a good ideahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yJkqGnrs6A&list=RDZvXjhbMKnEM&index=10Just Scriabin
>>129749164>JUST
>>129749115You should try Liszt
>>129749164Feldman-esque
>>129749164This is why equal temparament was a mistake, it allowed hacks such as sc*iabin to exist and fool some deaf pseuds into thinking he actually surpassed Chopin (lol, lmao)
Kempff's acclaimed mono Beethoven piano sonatas cycle5thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWLEWYC1cVY&list=OLAK5uy_lS4atw9ssnghLeZxKW2qL_I_PsU_Mbqc0&index=186thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEzf82a9_1c&list=OLAK5uy_lS4atw9ssnghLeZxKW2qL_I_PsU_Mbqc0&index=217thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rwxEmUQR_s&list=OLAK5uy_lS4atw9ssnghLeZxKW2qL_I_PsU_Mbqc0&index=248thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWqqebGTzfg&list=OLAK5uy_lS4atw9ssnghLeZxKW2qL_I_PsU_Mbqc0&index=27
>>129749209I'm sorry for you, anon, truly
finna travel back in time and make Scriabin compose a Nocturnes piano cycle at gunpoint
>>129749227>>129749241Shut up. Just shut up, you're insane.
>>129749255Calm down
>>129749032Scenery
>>129749263Clown up
>>129749241thanks for doing what we all want nigga
>>129749241I mean, just smash the keyboard, try at slow tempi, and you have a Scriabin nocturne
>>129749333Have a nap
>>129749209https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akaTSMYTv1s&list=RDZvXjhbMKnEM&index=18
Recommend me some Brahms. I love his fourth symphony but haven't really listened to anything else.
>>129749592Piano trios, piano quartets, string quartets, string quintets, the rest of his symphonies, his two piano concertos.
>>129749635That's so much musicA few favorites maybe?
>>129749651Just try the first of each. That can't possibly be asking too much
>>129749651His 2nd piano concerto is phenomenal.
>>129749684What are YOUR favorites anon? Say your top three I suppose.
>>129749651>That's so much music...no?
>>129749651https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrBU9u6RKiohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0kA6yEXaG4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZTRwXvq82whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xk-eg1yflohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9QC_VUNrQ0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu6hWEeTneAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEe7punlI6sall different forms, enjoy!
>>129749693I don't have favourites. Are you in the right place, do you suppose? Just listen to his three remaining symphonies then, if it's all so time consuming and burdensome for you.
>>129749718>I don't have favoritesYou don't?
>>129749709To listen to in a day or so, yes. And to really get to know that's a lot of pieces.
>>129749689Okay thank you. I'll give it a listen.
>>129749748huh
>>129749592Dieser
>>129749730I don't believe I stuttered, no. Different works across different genres, all of them excellent, makes it impossible for me to put one above another in any real, significant manner.
>>129749592>>129749711whoops, forgot to include the ever essential and magnificent Violin Concertohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkfgFuCUe8w
>>129749793By objective metrics? Maybe, but not by personal taste. Everyone has favorite pieces of music, no?
>>129749805You're speaking to a supreme autist, anon, stop wasting your breath.
>>129749805Maybe. I'm not everyone, I'm me. I can't choose a favourite between the two piano concertos, nor can I choose one of the symphonies in detriment of the other three. I feel this shouldn't be as controversial as you're making it out to be.
>>129749823Surely you listen to some pieces more than you do others.
>>129749815>not having favourites means you're autisticWell shit thanks for the diagnosis, doc, I'm very fortunate I just happened to be here while you were shitposting on /classical/
>>129749835Probably, since I'm not exactly keeping count and making sure every piece is listened to the exact amount of times, but not because I gravitate to one in any particularly notable manner. Why is this such an important point to press for you?
>>129749848Because pretty much everyone I've ever talked to has favorite songs/pieces of music? It's a little odd not to in my opinion.
>>129749869Hardly my fault your social circle is not diverse enough
>>129749881What kind of friends should I try to get that don't have favorite pieces of music?
I refuse to listen to Harpsichord or Organ. Only piano interpretations.Simple as.
>>129749904well yeah, duh
>>129749899Surely you don't need your hand held in this matter too? I'm not qualified to spoonfeed you social situations.
>>129749904You're missing outhttps://youtu.be/AAuRjtRifhk
ok classical stop fucking around we NEED to settle this ONCE AND FOR ALL
>>129749904The French symphonic organ is a great glory of human culture.https://youtu.be/-kIPk5pmZeA
>>129749972After trying that sizeable DG set, it's Reger, easily. I don't get why his works aren't more commonly programmed and performed and recorded! Even as like a single orchestral prelude to a symphony or filler.
>>129749972Feel like judging this is impossible unless you've listened to Bruch's oratorios, which no one listen to but are seem to be generally regarded as his best work.
>>129750153>unless you've listened to Bruch's oratorios, which no one listen to but are seem to be generally regarded as his best work.;oNow I'm intrigued
yeah the Leinsdorf Tannhauser isn't listenable. Essential my ass. I don't care how good Flagstad was if you can't even hear it properly.
>>129750184what's the source you're listening to? it exists in two sources, one is quite bad
>>129750302https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CttoU9jU_Ew&list=OLAK5uy_lIc3JrYPj-BeA5OsU9QY9utK9LPfGN0Pg&index=5
>>129750394yeah don't listen to that one, it's awful sound. Met broadcasts are highly variable depending on the source and you can get a great sounding recording (for the time) and a horrible one within days of one anothertry this: https://litter.catbox.moe/t7y502hueftegvya.zipit's not a sonic marvel but it's significantly better than that
>>129750714Much appreciated!
>>129749904https://youtu.be/0Ktw6bYVz_U?list=RD0Ktw6bYVz_U&t=6anon, just listen
>>129747305>>129747316>>129747329Please kill yourself
>>129747305>>129747316>>129747329Please remain alive
>>129751351>>129751382I shall do neither, out of spite
>>129751382>>129751408This is what happens when you listen to German Romantic composers, you turn into reddit
>>129751382>>129751408This never happens when you listen to French composers, you turn into twitter
I would never listen to any of Vagner’s repulsive operas, I only listen to Brahms and french composers.
The Wagnertranny is flaseflagging as a Brahmscuck to make themselves feel better
>>129749904we hope that no one is actually listening to the shartsichord
>>129751936We hope you die
>>129751936shartsichord is the only way to go for the Godbergs though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxqSyRujNcI
Handelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0NmoyLeoDs&list=OLAK5uy_k13s56T9gZiZPtxltS2cQnW4YTrBdMGfs&index=30
>>129752107if you're playing tetris or a medieval rpg, maybe
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfE-VHKvm5U
How do I get into Monteverdi? Any albums you guys would recommend?
>>129753704https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk927zM3HqA
>>129753750Appreciate the rec but 30 hours of material might be a bit much right off the bat. Is there a condensed best of Monteverdi?
>>129753773Just listen to the first volume then
>>129753969thats still 10 hours, do you have anything shorter that highlights his best works
>>129754025>highlights his best worksYou want some sort of greatest hits compilations? Maybe this kind of music isn't for you, anon
>>129754025First volume as in first CD in the series, dummy, not first volume of that playlisthttps://www.discogs.com/release/11538678-Monteverdi-Le-Nuove-Musiche-Krijn-Koetsveld-Madrigali-Libri-I-II
>>129753704https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GYjNj75MFI
>>129741793The kaisermarsch is great.
my new thing is when I ask random people for a smoke, I go,>hey, can I bum a Sig-fried?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBauB2Xp7Qk&list=OLAK5uy_mEJ0aOjK1GTUcvtu3FZpuGAhZr2bUFodc&index=157(wtf is this recording mislabeled? that isn't Erda + Wotan...)
now playingstart of Schumann: Cello Concerto in A minor, op. 129https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNHkXlydYyQ&list=OLAK5uy_msO0AiguN2EbdIR_uYkCdqgCPiJ_rtFOs&index=2start of Schumann: Piano Trio No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 63https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKwu7jDhnIQ&list=OLAK5uy_msO0AiguN2EbdIR_uYkCdqgCPiJ_rtFOs&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_msO0AiguN2EbdIR_uYkCdqgCPiJ_rtFOsI don't know anything about the conductor aside from he's the guy who conducted the 2023 Bayreuth Parsifal that's available on CD and commercially successful, but I do know Queyras (cellist), Melnikov (pianist), and Faust (violin) are some of the finest musicians of our generation for their respective instruments. Worth giving a try!
>>129752275Cutie
>>129755767>Queyras (cellist), Melnikov (pianist), and Faust (violin) are some of the finest musicians of our generation for their respective instruments.Grim.
>Einstein once remarked that “I feel uncomfortable listening to Beethoven. I think he is too personal, almost naked. Give me Bach, rather, and then more Bach.” Based. Fuck Beethoven.
>>129756025?hate to embarrass you in front of all your friends but,Queyrashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ot3zMU0EQw&list=OLAK5uy_lbQozCiqv2d7IZ1TwGe50k_2mCJx9mfOE&index=7Queyras/Melnikovhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLHsJ3wUIVQ&list=OLAK5uy_mKvydAEjj8jJEpX3u304FaJ8IA1JXNfUE&index=2Melnikovhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a125Z9dFAQ0&list=OLAK5uy_kj1fMW-W6NRZoVyuyApXeda9JdKHsoDdM&index=8Melnikov/Fausthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdFNexFdg8A&list=OLAK5uy_m2d5vPaLhmfgpl3WXFe0fZzpNS4mr0mQA&index=6Fausthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1cdM4bgaPc&list=OLAK5uy_m5vuIemyL33Z3DHYMJ2zgvK_xuZUmF09U&index=6What more could you want?
>>129756040He's basically saying he's uncomfortable with any overt expression of emotion. His autism is not something to be admired, much less aspired to.
>>129736732Wow, are they fucking serious?
>>129756115yessssssbooking my bus ticket to LA. anyone else wanna go? wagmeme, die walkmeme, and dudameme become one. i tease. sounds like it's gonna be awesome.
>>129756112That's not what he's saying.
>>129756115kek, such a money grab lol. imagine the autist that just goes to listen to the second act.
>>129755605Zwangvolle Plage! Müh’ ohne Zweck!
>>129756149Milking Dudamel one last time before he moves to NY Phil.
Rachmaninoff's 2nd piano concerto is good, but all those cymbals in the finale are a bit too firetrucky for my taste.
Of all Beethoven's works, Wagner considered the 8th symphony "incomparably the boldest and most original". Saying of the concluding movement, that for him it was "the finest thing Beethoven ever produced, a celebration of life and all that it means, divine!"
>>129756252Well, it is his best symphony after all, only rivaled by the 3rd.
I wouldn't put the 8th in Beethoven's top ten works. But that's me.
>>129756492I wouldn't put anything else if I could repeat the same piece over and over.
>>129736732doesnt get more peak than this
>Mozart piano concerto no.23>Beethoven piano concerto no.5>Chopin piano concerto no.1>Schumann piano concerto >Grieg piano concerto>Brahms piano concerto no.2>Rachmaninoff piano concerto no.2If I were given these and nothing else for the rest of my life, I wouldn't complain. But if any recording was spoiled by gould or bernstein, I would just stop listening to music altogether.
>>129756115What? That's how concert performances usually are. They split out Act per day to give the singers a break. The idea is that you get the vocalists in their best shape for each act.
>>129756983no Tchaikovsky? :O
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IEM4gK0k8Y&list=OLAK5uy_lE0CldZ720UPJjjlRQ1Z1iaD52a_UveiA&index=1
>>129757154I heard the whole ring in concert before and doing the whole Walküre in one evening for example isn't a problem. It's even the easiest in terms of voices, as first it's Siegmund, Sieglinde and Hunding in act 1&2 and Brünnhilde and Wotan in act 2&3. It's just getting a bunch of female singers for the ride of the Valkyries that's the hassle and not everyone wants to spend 5 hours with breaks at the concert hall. For comparison, Carnigie Hall has all 3 Puccini operas of the Trittico in one evening, Tosca (conducted by the same Dudamel lol) and the whole Ring programmed without splitting it into one act per evening. You usually just do long breaks of 30 minutes between acts.
>>129757399No shit. There's tons of performances that do it all in one evening. It doesn't change the fact that they've been doing concert performances one act per day for decades, and that vocal integrity is one of the reasons.
Saw Rattle's Mahler 2 this week, was my first live performance of the work. Kind of underwhelmed by the playing (way too fast in lots of spots) and the soloists, but still happy I got to see it.
>>129756245Rach has gaudy finales.
>>129756495...why can't you?
>>129757808Rach is one of the very few composers who knows how to compose an effective finale
>>129758147all those cymbals disagree
>>129756780just looking at the performers I assume this might be the worst recording of all time
>>129758479just knowing who they are I virtually know it is
>>129747246Mehta or Klemperer. That's it.
>>129758479>>129758500>he hates the NYPO
>>129758668yeah, and bernsnseneteain and ghoul
>>129758668Gould is despised by anyone with taste.
>>129758682Try this one
>>129758725you know it's a good performance when the conductor spends a few minutes prior to the performance warning the audience of how shit the interpretation they're about to hear is
>>129758725why? It's got the nypd, bernsnseneteain and ghoul in it. we JUST talked about this
>>129758738He was warning that it'd be unique ya
>>129758725>I hate X>try X then
Anyone here like Sibelius 4? I've listened to it a few times and just do not understand it. What am I missing?
>>129758762uniquely shit ye
>>129758738my sides.
>>129758802I love it, but wouldn't know what to tell you. It'd take knowing you on a personal level to know what it is that's not working for you. It's just a great piece of modern music. How do you feel about Nielsen's 3rd, Elgar's 2nd or Vaughan William's London Symphony?
new>>129758874>>129758874>>129758874
I am in a world, where I am taking a stroll in a beautiful park built by the divine, suddenly my legs feel tired and request to stop. Cordially I went on ahead to sit under the shade of a chestnut tree. My fatigue washes away from me as I slip into my imaginative daydreaming, I can hear the melancholic chirping of the sparrows and the water flowing from the creeks, feel the gust of a chilly wind approaching my face, smell the rejuvenating fragrance of the good earth. But then I realize I was just listening to the start of Lohengrin. I a poor soul, venerate the gods for creating such beauty and allowing an inferior soul like me to experience it!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG53S27HI5k
And then there’s Wagner, you know, this man Hugo Wolf was a student Alban Berg described at the time Brahms can be said to have made an eternal contribution. Nothing in the world has made so overwhelming an impression on me, True, school. He reiterated this view in a postcard from Bayreuth in 1883: "Parsifal is without doubt Jean Sibelius said. I cannot begin to tell you is really something. It seems to me that music in Western Europe is going through a sort of phase of transition. But who really knows what that means, right? Gustav Mahler wrote. When I think about it, how could anyone replace Brahms is more like protesting against right? And yet... Wagner was just standing there? Maybe Moszkowski; no, wait, that’s a different thought. No, Wagner's world the Bayreuth long--the impossible had unfit love. Music was madness madness. But superman of race! His genius allowed dream only love Wagner agony eternally forced to fail. Wagner, the great composer of Meistersinger -- Bach's intricate harmony was used only to mock madness, to mock beauty. But in his own eyes, he was above it all. He didn't just suffer -- he created out of suffering.
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