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1995's chart has begun! Reply to this post with your nominations! Blood Farmers - Blood FarmersGamma Ray - Land of the FreeMotorhead - Sacrifice
>>129684786Motörhead - SacrificeBlind Guardian - Imaginations from the Other Side
>>129684786Iced Earth - Burnt Offeringsall i got. i'm actually saddened at how few 1995 releases i have in my library in general.
>>129684850>>129684855counted them>all i got. i'm actually saddened at how few 1995 releases i have in my library in general.same here, before today the only stuff i'd listened to from '95 was all doom
>>129684786Black Sabbath · Cross Purposes LiveBlack Sabbath · ForbiddenIron Maiden · The X FactorRainbow · Stranger in Us AllRiot · The Brethren of the Long HouseWhite Zombie · Astro-Creep: 2000
>>129684971>Black Sabbath · Cross Purposes Livei think live releases should get their own chart down the line. >White Zombie - Astro-Creep: 2000>Industrial metalthis one's going in the waiting room, rest are counted
>>129684995We've had live stuff like Made in Japan haven't we? Also White Zombie made the '92 chart
>>129685022>We've had live stuff like Made in Japan haven't we?yeah fair enough, alright i'll count it >Also White Zombie made the '92 chartit did, but i don't know what this one sounds like and i've heard it's a deviation from their previous sound into more alt metal territory
>>129684786Acrimony - The Acid Elephant E.P. https://youtu.be/7xTuGOqNMdoAlice in Chains - Alice in Chainshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kGHVHsBVbxP0iDsdEpmWDH7IoSLbAbwkwBlind Guardian - Imaginations From the Other Sidehttps://youtu.be/AB_zVyuAEDkCathedral - The Carnival Bizarrehttps://youtu.be/me1Kh8d2Z2UCrowbar - Time Heals Nothinghttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkROH3Eqs0T_IwxH6vjFmq_oErRNgZhLTDown - NOLAhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4CF64AD7875C06EEEstirpe Imperial - Herederos de una historiahttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k7WoaIRcGUfvPnAwvAhdjcxrZ6-8alMT8Faith Collapsing - Losthttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lLYnb54l-_q_yigdtZXaZ1wPn54_2_I44Gamma Ray - Land of the Freehttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsT9douBcx99yyIpsykkqYV3UewKy1_eRThe Gathering - Mandylionhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_npOo6XzhNJa7AKwIKjsvKzfkP-7VuG-70GWAR - Ragnarökhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_neVo898_SaU_yvL0qv9n4Tj84qdPwQ52EDie Krupps - III: Odyssey of the Mindhttps://youtu.be/PWOevA3GGJ0Merauder - Master Killerhttps://youtu.be/GJFwAQFQA1MMoonspell - Wolfhearthttps://youtu.be/iCg53iLHX6cMy-Laï - Attila's Horseshttps://youtu.be/Msvj76x9uAQParadise Lost - Draconian Timeshttps://youtu.be/-xPwzglvpnYRahowa - Cult of the Holy Warhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYAurotwjHvjC2E3dTomc3_QB1wZoIo1pSaber Tiger - Timysteryhttps://youtu.be/S8cgb7TYRbcSaint Vitus - Die Healinghttps://youtu.be/M7_FWh0RqUwSerenade - The 28th Parallelhttps://youtu.be/JcFNS5tYDyQSkyclad - The Silent Whales of Lunar Seahttps://youtu.be/8DAo4rbsLTgSymphony X - The Damnation Gamehttps://youtu.be/YVCiRFP7g7wThe 3rd and the Mortal - Nightswanhttps://youtu.be/fqV9p_Teu0A
Uncle Slam - When God Dieshttps://youtu.be/_E6kWr6sxMIVirgin Steele - The Marriage of Heaven and Hell Part Twohttps://youtu.be/96KQhA5GxnsWhite Zombie - Astro-Creep: 2000https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mR8yaB8X591I4h1RecrvLMPxGCXDj5vZsЖeлeзный Пoтoк [Zhelezny Potok] - Бecкoнeчнaя бoльhttps://youtu.be/Ivf1k7ka2Xg
>>129685130>>129685141>The Gathering - Mandylionno>Merauder - Master Killerhell no>Moonspell - Wolfheartno>Paradise Lost - Draconian Timesno>Rahowa - Cult of the Holy Warno>White Zombie - Astro-Creep: 2000i'm listening to this right now, on track #5 and i do not think i'll be accepting it. i'm not hearing any traditional influence at all, this seems far more rooted in helmet and the like.counted the rest
>>129685130>Die Krupps - III: Odyssey of the Mindthis one's getting vetoed too, the title of the upload literally says industrial metal lol
>>129684786Nominating Skid Row's Subhuman Race.nominating. Virgin Steele's Marriage of Heaven and Hell Part 2.
We aren't on the 1997 yet, but is this WASP album too industrial to be considered trad?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_Fuck_Die
>>129684781>>129684291>Venom is not only the quintessential NWOBHM bandNot a fucking chance in hell.>but the blueprint for extreme metalYes, to a very big degree.>>129684610Yes, didn't matter for him though.>>129684786Gamma Ray - Land of the FreeMotörhead - SacrificeSeconded>>129684850>Motörhead - Sacrifice>Blind Guardian - Imaginations from the Other SideSeconded>>129684855Seconded>>129684971>Black Sabbath · ForbiddenSeconded>>129685130>Down - NOLA>Paradise Lost - Draconian Times>Virgin Steele - The Marriage of Heaven and Hell Part TwoSeconded
I nominateOzzy Osbourne - OzzmosisPink Cream 69 - ChangeThe Tea Party - The Edges of TwilightW.A.S.P. - Still Not Black EnoughSavatage - Dead Winter DeadCatharsis - Pathways to Wholeness
>>129684786Gamma Ray - Land of the FreeBlind Guardian - Imaginations...Symphony X - The Damnation GameStratovious - Fourth DimensionsConception - In Your MultitudeMorgana Lefay - SanctifiedRage - Black in MindIced Earth - Burnt OfferingsGrave Digger - Heart of DarknessRunning Wild - MasqueradeVirgin Steele - Marriage Part 2Elegy - LostNocturnal Rites - In A Time of Blood And FireShadow Gallery - Carved in StoneAyreon - The Final ExperimentRoyal Hunt - Moving TargetYngwie - Magnum OpusTad Morose - Sender of Thoughts Riot - Brethren of the Long HouseParagon - World of SinA really good year after the somewhat lackluster 1994.
>>129684786Yngwie - Magnum OpusStratovarius - 4th DimensionSavatage - Dead Winter DeadCatharsis - Pathways to WholenessSteel Prophet - The Goddess PrincipleVirgin Steele - Marriage 2
>>129685130Seconding Carnival Bizarre, but you are still a tripfag
>>129685911>Not a fucking chance in hell.How can you argue against this? How???
>>129684786Iced Earth - Burnt OfferingsIron Maiden - The X FactorLordian Guard - s/tMotorhead - SacrificePaul Chain - AlkahestRiot - The Brethren of the Long HouseRunning Wild - MasqueradeSaint Vitus - Die HealingSaxon - Dogs of WarVirgin Steele - The Marriage of Heaven & Hell part 2
BLASTING
>>129684786Cathedral - The Carnival BizarreBlind Guardian - Imaginations from the Other SideGamma Ray - Land of the FreeKing Diamond - The Spider's LullabyMotorhead - SacrificeRunning Wild - MasqueradeAnd if they count:Alice in Chains - s/tLake of Tears - HeadstonesVoivod - Negatron
Well, that sucks. Only 64.
>>129689372Just a kid
>>129684786Blind Guardian - Imaginations From the Other SideConception - In Your MultitudeGamma Ray - Land of the FreeIced Earth - Burnt OfferingsKing Diamond - The Spider’s LullabyeRage - Black in Mind
counted the votes, here's the chart so far
ANONS!teemu (lead guitarist for megadeth)is having a FREEEwebinar starting in ten minutes!https://event.webinarjam.com/lv3x5/register/z42ymhw
>>129688761nominating this, pretty good heavy/groove and the twisted sister cover is ace, better than the original imo https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRTGDivutDkdVmu82U8rO_S2jX-N3Ublx
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>>129688299They're not in the hub of the NWOBHM wheel.
>>129684786GZR - Plastic Planet
>>129684781>IM THE MAN ON THE SILVER MOUNTAIIIIIINAbsolute Kino.
>>129692951Get the fuck out of here with that shit. Blasting Welcome to Hell right now.LIVE LIKE AN ANGEL DIE LIKE A DEVILGOT A PLACE IN HELL RESERVED FOR MELIVE LIKE AN ANGEL DIE LIKE A DEVILGINNA BURN IN HELL THAT'S WHERE I'M GONNA BE
james hetfield is getting married!
Jamming to this
>>129697691More like grooming in action.
>>129698452do any older wasp albums need a remix/remaster?
The a-lex album by sepultura isn't as bad as some reviews make it out to be.https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=0mEYYO64nQA
>>129699295the last command could do with a punchier sound imo. it's too polished for wasp, has none of the grit of the first record
>>129697691Isn't he 70 years old?
>>129701156hes 62 apparently.
The absolute agony of loving USPM with angelic tenor vocals but not having the range to sing them myselfhttps://youtu.be/JW04befoh-U?si=VeTvqXgcg5cMsB3w
>>129701976squeeze your balls
>the older you get the thicker your hair becomes
>>129699295to answer my own question, KFD needs a bit of a remix on a few songs. Some of the (bass) synths are a bit low in the mix.
>>129701976It takes practice, treating your voice like an instrument.
>>129684786Blind Guardian - Imaginations from the Other SideGamma Ray - Land of the FreeRoyal Hunt - Moving TargetSteel Prophet - The Goddess PrincipleStratovarius - Fourth DimensionVirgin Steele - The Marriage of Heaven and Hell: Part 2
Shit, I didn't realize that Blind Guardian, Gamma Ray, and Virgin Steele already made the chart (first time posting in /trad/ - I've been lurking for a while).I'll throw in another vote for Rainbow - Stranger in Us All and a vote for Ayreon -The Final Experiment.
>>129703460>I'll throw in another vote for Rainbow - Stranger in Us Allbased, i was just about to link some songs from that one. not sure how many anons realize Rainbow put out something so kickass in the 90s
>>129693875>Sludge/Industrial Metalhmm, i'll check it out in the next few days >>129703389stratovarius is on there now >>129703460all good, and now blind guardian and gamma ray, at 7 votes have the most ever for an album.>I'll throw in another vote for Rainbow - Stranger in Us All and a vote for Ayreon -The Final Experiment.sounds good, wrote them down
>>129702087he looks sort of like iommi in that second picture
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=cXolQfnHimI
>>129703503Voting for King Diamond
>>129684786Death - Symbolic
>>129708205KD's on the chart now>>129708387no
Graceful Inheritance is a goddamn masterpiece
>>129701976>https://youtu.be/JW04befoh-U?si=VeTvqXgcg5cMsB3w>USPMSounds more like some AOR. Thought it's not like "USPM" ever meant anyhting concrete.
>>129688761https://youtu.be/dNk9oCLY6cs?si=O3ELlboC2rYeMnRLhttps://youtu.be/iOedGGDpaFI?si=yyD34EGJjNakbK1Ihttps://youtu.be/dAghC-vv0XA?si=sJLAIFk3pce5YAEjhttps://youtu.be/9VVFNgbsDC4?si=WypvUO-2zM99wCzqhttps://youtu.be/ZxgMGk9JPVA?si=X-ClTdg7O1MBkj2H
>>129711396I mean... yeah that song is a bit of an outlier on the album (Makes sense that it wasn't in the original release) but I still like it very much
>>129684786I'll nominate Scanners Mental Reservation album.
>>129712923I always wanted to make an edit of this cover with the text changed to "Mental Retardation" and the eye would be instead a drooling idiot.
>>129684786>>129712923Also this Obliveon album.It's a strange sounding album that kinda sucks but at the same time also pretty damn good.
>>129713044What's stopping you?
>>129688761not quite up to par with LLR&R and especially not rising, but as it stands, this is still an excellent album. black masquerade is one of his best, and the version of still i'm sad on here is awesome. seconding.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsT9douBcx9916HVl7jK1qRtvCozWrzYs
>>129712923>>129713094counted your votes
>>129685856>Nominating Skid Row's Subhuman Race.shilling some songs from the album:https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=2dcyCM9dRQIhttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=MUX7sm6kl5Q
>>129697691DRAMA TIME!someone on twitter is also saying his kids no longer follow metallica
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>>129717207>>129717211Oh, how is it possible that a guy who's been an asshole his whole life turns out to still be an asshole?
>>129717211>addictionIf he's back on the booze then his live performances will be much better
Which one of you faggots is this>https://www.discogs.com/artist/5361249-Anal-Trump
>>129717211>>129717287they've been divorced for like 4 years, why does she feel like she's owed a "heads up"? the fuck? it's clear she's still bitter over the divorce.
>>129718447if her kids still spend any time with their dad, i guess she wants to know if they could be having a new stepmom and step siblings
>>129688761otherworldly trad doom. Lee Dorrian sings on the latter half of the album
kamikaze: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1m219T9Xychiroshima: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuxRVJP5Pfwspasms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Stm-L2byE
>>129719434>>129719764we'll be talking about FTB quite a bit come the 1996 chart nominations...
>>129719785did they record some killer shit in that year? i'm only familiar with their early 70s stuff
>>129719801unfortunately not, but their worshippers recorded the AOTY:Sabbat - The Dwellinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_GSQNC5uHw
>>129719819i like the little i've heard of sabbat, but they're pretty firmly black/thrash. not going to accept this for '96
>>129719847this album is when they took a sharp turn back to traditional heavy metal. nothing but FTB & Fate influenced riffing on this album, and make no mistake, this is THE riff fest to end all riff fests. check it out before you dismiss it.
>>129719877aye, fair enough, i'll just put it on now. from the outset, it really doesn't sound like traditional metal though. honestly reminds me of in the sign of evil more than anything.
>>129719916they're contemporaries with Venom and Bathory, but they've always been more appreciative about their heavy metal roots than their colleagues, and the latter half of their discography is closer to trad than "first wave black". come to think, there is some Venomesque riffing on this too, but the heavy metal predominates the speed/black metal elements.
>>129719940>they're contemporaries with Venom and Bathory, yeah makes sense, those are the two bands i hear the most here besides early sodom >come to think, there is some Venomesque riffing on this too, but the heavy metal predominates the speed/black metal elements.so far i'm hearing more or less an even split between black/thrash/trad in terms of the riffing (3:06 is black/thrash, stuff around 6:30, and 7:18 is trad), and the vocals are alternating between black and KD-style falsetto.
>>129720007you're still on the overture. they're just about to bring out the big guns and start developing themes. you'll hear what I'm talking about very soon. the vocals... well they're what they are lol, they were never very good in any of their projects unfortunately
>>129720057i'm 15 minutes in now, and the song's definitely starting to build up. regarding my actual thoughts on this outside of the genre shit, this is really fucking cool lol. i think i'll be able to tell whether or not this thing belongs on '96 around the 45 minute mark, so i'll report back then
>>129720150or so you say... there's a development around the middle that will make you listen to the end. you'll know it when it drops. and the album will only build on the trad elements as it goes on which is why I even brought it up here lol. anyway, enjoy
>>129720150>>129720183oh wait, I misread that lol. sorry, I'm really tired today. yeah, at 45 minutes in the proportions will have been clearly presented.
>>129720183>>129720244alright so i'm pretty much done with the album now, and here's what i've got:riffing is roughly 70% trad, 30% black but very little of it is pure. mostly a mix of black and thrash.vocals are about 60% black, 40% trad, however the album is dominated by instrumental passages so it's not as lopsided as it sounds.so yeah i'll accept this when the time comes. wouldn't be surprised if it's controversial though
>>129720558yeah, my rationale is that if Venom is allowed then an At War with Satan with more old school heavy elements should be able to make the cut as well. but I also think that if you listen to Fate's Satan's Fall and picture it with this guitar tone, you'll find more commonalities than differences. anyway, did you like it?
>>129720633>yeah, my rationale is that if Venom is allowed then an At War with Satan with more old school heavy elements should be able to make the cut as well. i see what you mean, though i wouldn't call venom the best comparison. because from what i've heard there's not a single ounce of actual black metal on their albums, just undertones. whereas this very much does have black metal, just not a lot and for the most part it's congruent with thrash. >but I also think that if you listen to Fate's Satan's Fall and picture it with this guitar tone, you'll find more commonalities than differences.the distinctly trad parts and the extended ascending riff around 40 or so minutes in were very reminiscent of satan's fall, yeah. >anyway, did you like it?no
>>129720827lol, yeah, I keep bringing up Venom because they share a speed metal element with Sabbat, but I think it was Quorthon who said that "black metal", "death metal", etc, were interchangeable terms in the 80s that had little to do with how the bands actually sounded and were pretty much stuff people said for hype. personally I think of Venom as a speed metal band, but of Bathory as a black metal band largely because of the retroactive link to when black metal was codified for real in the 90s. Venom were idolized in the early BM scene, but early Bathory went into those bands' DNA. otherwise, we'd be calling early Bathory a speed/thrash band and IMO with good reason.by the way, if you haven't read it yet, Quorthon's unfinished autobiography is worth a go (click The History Archive):https://web.archive.org/web/20081221135100/http://www.bathory.nu/x1.htmit was an ongoing project started around the release of Nordland 1 and he died before he could cover the /trad/ relevant viking/epic period, but the last few chapters have some interesting stuff on the influence of epic heavy and classical music on his work.
>>129721052>personally I think of Venom as a speed metal band, but of Bathory as a black metal band largely because of the retroactive link to when black metal was codified for real in the 90s.about my same viewpoint, but i'd say under the sign of the black mark is more proper black rather than speed/thrash. that better fits the first two albums, which for all intents and purposes just sound like speed metal with shit production. >by the way, if you haven't read it yet, Quorthon's unfinished autobiography is worth a go (click The History Archive):>it was an ongoing project started around the release of Nordland 1 and he died before he could cover the /trad/ relevant viking/epic period, but the last few chapters have some interesting stuff on the influence of epic heavy and classical music on his work.i have not read that, i'll take a look later on because i'm admittedly quite interested in why he suddenly took a huge left turn from his original style into what is essentially epic heavy/doom.
>>129721052
>>129720616listen to this, shit's heavy for 1970. pretty doomy too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ePR-MDNE1Y
>>129721156>about my same viewpoint, but i'd say under the sign of the black mark is more proper black rather than speed/thrash. that better fits the first two albumsI know what you mean, but you know, if you listen to The Return and then to Blasphemy's Fallen Angel of Doom, it makes The Return the most influential Bathory album in today's extreme metal scene because of how much of a ripple effect that Blasphemy album had and going by my own logic I'd have to call The Return a war metal album... lol (no fucking way I'll ever do that)>i have not read that, i'll take a look later on because i'm admittedly quite interested in why he suddenly took a huge left turn from his original style into what is essentially epic heavy/doom.he talks about it in the last finished chapters, covering UTSOTBM
>>129721439>you listen to The Return and then to Blasphemy's Fallen Angel of Doom, it makes The Return the most influential Bathory album in today's extreme metal scene because of how much of a ripple effect that Blasphemy album hadi've never listened to blasphemy but i don't recall anything off the return that was particularly war metal-y. there's a song off bestial devastation (antichrist, i believe) that sounds much more akin to war. but maybe i'll give it another listen in my own time, because i did NOT like that album when i checked it out. actually considered it a diet version of their debut lol>he talks about it in the last finished chapters, covering UTSOTBMthanks for the tip, might read the entire thing at some point in the future, but right now i'm really only interested in that
Are there other motorhead albums which are as well mixed as sacrifice?https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Zifh7prkLpw
>>129721552>i've never listened to blasphemy but i don't recall anything off the return that was particularly war metal-yit's just the riffing, really. Blasphemy's first album is highly influenced by the riffing and guitar tone from The Return, and many war and death metal bands copied that without realizing the source of those ideas. but we're going going way off topic by now lol>>129721563the logical next step would be their follow-up with Howard Benson producing, the underrated Overnight Sensation. I actually prefer this one to Sacrifice as a full-length listen although it's nowhere near as vicious. I think it's more well-rounded and the sides contrast nicely with each other, side B is more Sacrifice-like
>>129719940>more appreciative about their heavy metal roots than their colleaguesI am a bit annoyed at the disrespect Venom gets here. Venom are rock'n'roll, they are the essence or heavy metal.
>>129719819As much as i love Sabbat that i would die on the hill of saying they are one of the most underrated metal bands of all time. I think their later records would be a bit more fitting, something like Karisma or Satanasword.The Dwelling is a great album for what it is though.
>>129722310I wasn't putting them down at all man, I just meant they weren't doing something like going out of their way to homage 70s bands five albums into their career. just comparing.>>129722334I think The Dwelling is the real turning point in their discography, but you're right about those two. how is THIS not real heavy metal?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_7qVPtm3Ns
>>129722469I'm not arguing against it, i think Sabbat always had those hints of heavy metal, even early on.But dunno about straight up "real" heavy metal though, isn't Metalucifer Gezols band for that kind of stuff?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFKgjwJoLm8
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>>129714697that's 3 for rainbow>>129703460>>129684971
>>129723265yeah that was my vote lol, probably should've posted a follow up afterwards but it's on here
>>129723284can you post the totals? need some stuff to spin this evening
>>129722599Metalucifer was a one-off NWOBHM tribute side project that somehow snowballed into a touring act with 2 standing lineups based in different continents. the whole thing is so absurd
>>129723295yeah here you go
just realized i forgot to update rainbow's votes, gonna go fix that
>>129685256>The Gathering - Mandylion>noWhy not? It's quite doomy.
>>129723803RYM has gothic metal primary and doom as secondary, and the band is listed as death/doom metal + normal doom for their early output on metallum. but i suppose i can give it a listen tomorrow to make sure.
>>129723796bad motor scooter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B2XJsKUtjQspace station #5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts1z_Tx8aMQ
I had forgotten how much moaning Sean Harris does on this. Very much Robert Plant influenced I'm sure.And that Metallica took the riff on Sucking My Love and made Seek and Destroy.
>>129721997>Overnight SensationThe title track has a pretty nice intro:https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=k1saXmZmntQIt's heavy, but it's definitely got a rock n roll vibe.
>>129723059>>129717211the soap opera continues
>>129725328I'm pretty sure he went to rehab just a few years ago. I think they even cancelled a tour for it.
power metal mogssorry
>>129725400Power metal mogs what? Power metal is like 40% of what is being talked about here.Retard.
>>129725328
>>129725418>a real man would have some respect for his family and had given them a heads upJames did it again!
NO FORCE WILL HEED MY PACENONE WILL EVER REND MY FLESH BEFOREI CAN DEAL YOU A TRAITORS FATEMY IRE'S MY ARMORhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOTt93SjM3k
>>129723059Subcidewebzine surely is a hired image maker/shill
>>129725656>releases 20 minute instrumental synth noise as a b-side on their EP
Is youtube giving anybody else trouble?
>>129725832Works fine for me
>>129725894Ah great, I am on surveillance then.
>>129725832>>129725907Use Invidious instead.inv.nadeko.net
>>129721563>https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Zifh7prkLpwNow I see where High on Fire got their sound from.
>>129723838While you're at it, give RaHoWa a listen. If that's not /trad/, then a good share of Metal albums previously accepted aren't either.
>>129725413meant to post this in meal
>>129725438Dave is constantly divorcing his bandmates but at least he didn't ditch his wife lmao>"What? No warning?"James knew if he tried to warn Dave he would just get sissy kicked into submission and his only chance was to drop the news on him suddenly, and hope Dave would be so shocked by the news that he wouldn't even think to unleash his righteous ginger rage on the Metallicunts until he was already on the bus home. And as the story goes he then went on to form the 2nd greatest metal band ever (the 1st greatest being [spoiler]Metallica [/spoiler]in fact of course)
>>129727043looks like James is also scared of getting sissy kicked by his ex wife too>the 1st greatest being [spoiler]Metallica [/spoiler]in fact of coursepic
>>129726477>RYM is gothic metal, with no other genres represented by some weird form of folk>metallum's genres for their later period are gothic metal/folk rockif the first half isn't trad then i'm dropping it
>>129727115(didn't count the short interludes/instrumentals) only the first song was actually trad. #2 and #3 had the riffs but the vocals were goth, and the other songs were folk rock and gothic metal. still vetoed.
>>129723310cool thanks. +1 to Crowbar
>>129688761>>129727268counted
>>129727043Keking at this post.Also, Metallica may be the greatest thrash metal band, but they aren't the greatest metal band, neither in terms of influence nor sales.
>>129727115>>129727236Very well. Hopefully, The Gathering will make the cut.
>>129728704gotta find a way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXy75w5CCxocastle of thoughts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUKZuQHDkactimepiece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rDcs3sp2L4melvin laid an egg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBxikzSwhHk
>>129723310adding votes for Gamma Ray, Steel Prophet, Royal Hunt, Grave Digger
>>129729444added SP and RH and counted the other two votes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW9xr1hBi3QDIE IN HELLMETAL TORMENTDIE IN HELLMETAL TORMENT
>>129729816Ooh, what's this? Seems like something I need to check out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-br2U_QC4Y
If I removed that hat would he die?
What are /trad/'s approved stoner doom bands?
>>129732779What Final Fantasy character is the cosplaying?
Early Death (Leprosy, Spiritual Healing) is just speed metal with guttural vocals. To me there's no difference between Blind Guardian and Death except Hansi's vocals try to form a melody.
>>129733840I don't know. I don't seek the approval of others. But you can check thishttps://hardrockhellradio.com/2026/03/18/doom-vs-stoner-show-18-march-2026-by-dj-robo/
>>129720714Fantastic record, I love how King Diamond always makes an album centered around a very old-school horror story with ghosts and demonic possessions and shit like that.
God took his left arm because he played with a traditional grip.>>129734933Too bad you have to have a lyrics sheet in front of you, otherwise you can't decipher what he's singing about due to the ridiculous vocals.
>>129688761Another USPM album worked out to. It was a very good listen with very punchy production, buuuuuuut the opening instrumental set my expectations way higher. It sounds very melodic, triumphant and intense but that kind of mood hardly appeared elsewhere in the album. Still, a solid album.
>>129733840Kyuss, Electric Wizard, Sleep, idk what else
>>129725418more soap opera
>>129737459speaking of Electric Wizard I'm surprised their debut didn't get any votes for the '94 chart
>>129733840CROWBARROWBAR>>129729444Also voting for Crobar and Down
>>129739182>CROWBARis not a stoner doom band lol>Also voting for Crobar and Downthey're on
>>129688761this one left a very strong first impression, I'll have to give it time to see if it wears off but so far it's been on par with Psalm 9 for me. really digging the vibe here
>>129739261IIIIII'MMM SO AFRAIDWOLF KNOWS WHERE I AM
>>129739914dreamer deceiver is my favorite priest song, one of my top #5 songs in general really
>>129739931it's a near perfect album. Epitaph is the only weaker song but it's on the level of Sabbath fillers, kind of a momentum killer but easy to warm up to. I can't even call it a blemish, but opening with Victim of Changes was probably the luckiest production fuck up in metal lol
>>129684781>>129688761Can /trad/ handle this?https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n2GpH-dOPtaQwz6-cLJ-lPAF8gBDi8u1g
>>129740864neither gothic metal nor RAC are /trad/, come on man.
>>129733840Elderearly/mid era BongripperElectric Wizardif you count regular doom there's a lot more but the overly stoner ones are generally boring af
>>129700347Do the guitars on those old albums sit lower in the mix than modern metal albums?
Nevermore has never clicked with me. I've always found their song structures extremely weird and the vocal melodies too chaotic and all over the place.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNKwxoyQcGM
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=U0JrMx7tDMMTORMENTOR
>>129741009Stop acting like Sturmwehr hasn't released a /trad/ album. If Europa brennt isn't /trad/, then Power Metal isn't either. You're just dismissing them blindly:https://youtu.be/Zqkbwo5Zvi4https://youtu.be/bIirVDepiDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob1p2DlFS8gLIVING HIGH, LIVING FREE, MY LIFE IS LIKE A WARI FILL MY BRAIN WITH CAPTAGONIT TAKES ME TO THE STARSTHE SOUND OF MY GENERATION BREAKS MY NECKFEEL IT WITH MEONE, TWO, THREE TIMES EVERY TIMEOUR METAL AS IT SHOULD BECOUNT YOUR BONESSEE YOUR NECK GO ROUNDKICK YOUR DAMAGED HEADTO THE WALL OF SOUND
Albums with genuinely good concepts?
>>129745257Virgin Steele were the best at this. the whole cycle of Marriage 1&2, Invictus and The House of Atreus 1&2
>>129742350i'd say the mixing on the guitars (and overall) is fine on their first album, but on the last command it's drowning in a lot of that '80s style production - there's just no oomph to it. drums are pretty flat, too. just compare 'em, the debut is a lot grittier and more metallic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mseNUZat7A4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRBZWn_vTpA
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>>129688761it doesn't get anymore metal than this
>>129688761Is Bodom okay here? It's basically power metal.
>>129747285I realized that something about it seems different than other albums from around that time period.These came out before WASP's debut.https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=LNyIhirtXUIhttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=5CI87J4sLMII'm not sure why it sounds a bit less "heavy". Whether it had to do with how it was recorded or if something is mixed or mastered differently
>>129684781>>129688761https://youtu.be/whh1dwZp7ZsThe first drops of the rain fell down upon my faceThe storm is approaching seems so long we've had to waitOur enemies will reap the whirlwind, for with the gale comes victoryWith open arms, we will welcome what's been our destinyHere comes the thunderThe giants awakenedHere comes the thunderThe hammer cracks the skyHere comes the thunderThe land will trembleHere comes the thunderAnd with the thunder comes the rising tideSwirling and tumbling, the clouds roll and block the sunA rumbling of discontent, a storm of reckoning to comeA biting wind blows and sends a shiver down the spineThe tempest embraced a wind at our backs and the showdown in sightHere comes the thunderThe giants awakenedHere comes the thunderThe hammer cracks the skyHere comes the thunderThe land will trembleHere comes the thunderAnd where ya gonna hide?Lightning scorches, its white hot hue across the shattered skyA raging torrent, a drenching downpour, we fight to surviveTo the left and the right, fists clenched for the fight, and the thunder roarsWe greet the storm, our foes will suffer feeling our full forceHere comes the thunderThe giants awakenedHere comes the thunderThe hammer cracks the skyHere comes the thunderThe land will trembleHere comes the thunderAnd with the thunder comes the rising tide
>>129753072their only decent song was Commie Scum
>>129753072Even before I checked what this band was I knew that it was the vocalists "project". He should've recruited somebody who could sing and learned to play rhythm guitar or bass instead.
>>129754221>>129755082This tune is great:https://youtu.be/mc53ono9N2g
I really fucking hate commies, but why does RAC seem to be more focused on racism/white power than actual anti-communism?
how do you people have such bad taste. almost nothing posted in this thread is something i would ever listen to unless you paid me
>>129756157It has an okay melody, but the vocals aren't good.
>>129756210They're fine by me:https://youtu.be/WSlIEsSrVqMhttps://youtu.be/zPK036mowKI
>>129756175In today's world, "Nazi Punk" may seem oxymoronic, but historically, Punk and the far-right were strange bedfellows. Racist Punk can arguably be traced back to as early as 1977, with the birth of Punk subculture in England. Young National Front started Punk Front in Leeds to counter Rock Against Racism. Bands like The Dentists, White Boss, Homicide, The Ventz / Tragic Minds and The Raw Boys played the first Rock Against Communism shows the National Front organized. While none of these bands ever recorded any music and later died in obscurity, an important event was only a few years away.As left-wingers gradually pushed right-wingers out of Punk subculture, the National Front canvassed skinhead subculture to carry the far-right's counterculture. Although never affiliated with right-wing organizations, bands like Combat 84 laid the groundwork with lyrics advocating capital punishment and opposing nuclear disarmament. The watershed moment was an incident at a concert for The 4-Skins, The Business and The Last Resort in Southall during July of 1981. Two years earlier, police killed Anti-Nazi League activist Blair Peach in a riot instigated by the demonstrators, so racial tensions at a fever pitch. Accounts conflict as to who instigated it. The bands conceded the skinheads and South Asians weren't getting along, but maintain the the response was greatly out of proportion with the trouble the skinheads were causing them. On the other side, the South Asian locals claimed some of the skinheads assaulted women and elderly people, engaged in property destruction / vandalism and daubed National Front slogans on shop windows. The locals protested the gig on wrongful suspicion the bands were far-right and subsequently rioted, burning down the venue in the process. Following that incident, The 4-Skins recorded a song "One Law for Them"
RAC bands oppose Communism not only for economic reasons, but also for the humanism and liberal aspects of socialism. The irrelevance of race and/or nation in socialism is the salient point RAC opposes in all their anti-left rhetoric. Consequently, most bands are explicitly White Nationalist and/or National Socialist. Early on, RAC was strictly about British Nationalism. A fair number of mid '80s RAC bands weren't necessarily Nazi and some never were in the course of their careers. As time went on, bands became much more openly Nazi, especially with Skrewdriver's later albums becoming more obvious in their references to the Third Reich and Norse Neopaganism.Why RAC? Think about it. Abstract economic theories don't inspire too many people to write academic compositions, much less make music. In fact, has an economic theory inspired anyone to make music of any sort? There's no such thing as Rock Against Central Planning or Rock Against Labor Theory of Value. Anyone who tried to make such music would look weird, but that puts these artists in a bind. Given that Nationalist skinheads are opposed to the total social vision of Communism rather than mere elements within it, they naturally grasp at something to replace it. That replacement usually comes in the form of blunt expressions of White Nationalism: three chords and the truth.Frequently, artists who produce art for the intention of pushing a certain idea or belief renders the end product little more than a propaganda vehicle, but making musical propaganda requires a good sense of creativity, understanding of human psychology and personal convictions to create music that resonates with people politically. Most don't succeed, but it's the effort that counts for me.
There's more than a fair number of '80s RAC bands that weren't necessarily Nazi and some never were in the course of their brief careers, namely the original incarnation of Public Enemy (UK), London Branch, Indecent Exposure, Vengeance (UK), Last Orders and The Diehards. Some of them were expressly White Nationalist, but none of those bands ever crossed over into Hitler worship.1987 was a turning point for Rock Against Communism. After a protracted dispute between several prominent White Noise Club-affiliated bands and National Front, Ian Stuart broke away and founded Blood & Honour, an organization that soon earned strong support from several former White Noise Club bands and even earning new followers. Only Skullhead and Violent Storm were said to have stayed loyal to White Noise Club, the latter issuing a statement denouncing Skrewdriver. This loyalty would soon bite both of those bands in the ass when it came time to release the "Third Way" EP.By this point, Skrewdriver had already identified as a National Socialist band, and many others followed suit. Equally gone was all traces of Oi! in Skrewdriver's sound in favor of anthemic Hard Rock. Most of those ballads tend to be dreadful since your average RAC frontman's voice was built for aggression than crooning, but some have an odd charm to them. "White Rider" embodied this transition in everything from the music down to the artwork, featuring a painfully obvious homage to D.W. Griffith's "The Birth of a Nation" only this time the whole background's ablaze.Once Blood and Honour formed as a split off from White Noise, bands like Skrewdriver, Brutal Attack, Sudden Impact, Squadron, No Remorse and English Rose all pledged their support for Hitler's legacy.
>>129684781this song really puts me on edge in a good wayhttps://youtu.be/dzKIfi4MeBM?si=gnOsW2pobLVdcVf8
>>129723881when Hagar was actually good aside from his solo career
>>129756253I dunno many of my old projects (albeit they weren't metal, more like some variant of dark ambient and drone) made explicit references to people like Ernst Niekisch and Karl Otto Paetel.
Back from pic related. Had a very fun time, sadly missed some bands I wanted to see though due to my own stupidity. Will share a few shots. Some of the bands aren't exactly trad so don't shit your panties over it.
>>129758132Jag Panzer playing Ample Destruction in full. They sounded excellent. Harry Conklin hit all his high notes.
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>>129758183Before the set, Harry passed out a bunch of these coins to everyone up front. Really cool little souvenir, never seen another band do anything like this.
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>>129758207Spell, this 70s metal/psychedelic/occult sounding band from Canada. Great show but personally I'm pissed at the setlist because they didn't include anything from their best album (For None and All, check it out)
>>129758244Toxic Holocaust. Was weird seeing Joel without platinum blonde hair. He also got fat
>>129758276Crowd for Toxic Holocaust
>>129758292Voivod doing an 80s set, waiting for the band I was most waiting for which was...
>>129758244i think i've heard of these guys before, seen their name while browsing metallum.>Spell, this 70s metal/psychedelic/occult sounding band from Canada. i love that sound when it's done right, and i've been listening to a lot of psych lately so it'll fit right in
>>129758318Midnight doing Satanic Royalty in full. Fucking insane set.
>>129758349Thought I had more pictures of them and the crowd (including multiple people in a trash can crowdsurfing) but I guess I was too busy enjoying the show. The event staff pointing is someone crowdsurfing coming our way that kicked me in the head>>129758344Yeah check out their first 3 albums. First is pretty raw in production and arrangement, but they get more refined and varied with their next 2 and really hit it out of the park. I personally hate their 2022 one and based on the songs they played from their new one coming out in a couple months, I'm going to not like it either.
>>129758400Legendry. Never really got into them but the dual double guitars was pretty neat
>>129758412Butcher, a speed/black metal band from Belgium. Amazing show. If you like bands like Midnight check them out
>>129758421Enslaved doing Vikingligr Veldi in full, waiting for...
>>129758433Blood Fire Death, Bathory tribute band with a bunch of different members, mainly from Scandi
>>129758452Had flames and shit going off during Enter the Eternal Fire. Insane how much you could feel the heat from it, I can't imagine being on stage for it.
>>129758477Hellbutcher doing vocals
>>129758506Then Attila
>>129688761>>129758400just finished the first song. i was expecting sabbath worship from your description, but no, this is like BOC mixed with '70s metal like scorps and JP. not that strong on the vocals (maybe they'll grow on me over the course of the record?) but the lead guitar's fantastic.>>129758477badass
>>129758520Final song Blood Fire Death (big surprise right?) with Grutle back on vocals
>>129758533End of the song>>129758531Yeah BOC is probably a more apt related band for them
>>129758400Midnight's singer/bassist once put his hand on my head.
>>129758561Curtain call. In the middle from left to right is the Helstar vocalist, Ivar Bjørnson from Enslaved, Attila, not sure, Grutle, and then Bathory's first bassist Frederick Melander that played for a couple songs.Thanks for reading my Blogspot>>129758590Based. He got down and high-fived everyone in the front after the set so I think I can share the same honor.
spell - the sickness unto death: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S92GXHJpozQthese guys can fucking play, goddamn
>>129758649Keep going, the album gets better as it goes on
>99% on 5 reviews on MAhas to be one of the highest rated albums on the site
>>129759510oh I forgot about Abigail. 98% from 22 reviews
>>129756249>>129756253>>129756260I know I'm late but thanks for the response. Good read.
>>129758830sadly it never got as good as that song afterwards, but everything else was still pretty good. i'd say vanitas goes on a bit too long, though.
>>129758132Very nice!
>>129758132looks like a good time thanks for the photos
I like the new Spell singlehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDIrnA4i5dw
>>129759596>10 reviews in a row with 100%That's insane.
>>129739209Symphony X, Conception and Ayreon
>>129759510I listened to this and got strong theater-kid energy from it, hard pass
>>129694007this guy gets it
I'm pretty sure there would've been a bunch of UK bands in the early 80s that would've been bigger if they'd just cared about image more. Iron Maiden, Def Leppard, Judas Priest and Whitesnake are the bands I think really cared about how they presented themselves, and they also had the most success. Then there's bands like Demon who looked like a bygone 70s southern rock band, who barely sold one album outside the UK.
>>129768591It's better to be underground and true than sell out and appeal to normalfags.
>>129759510Amazing band and well deserved. Hope to see their debut on the 1996 chart. Production is kinda crap, but the songs are awesome.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1JE7qQZty4
>>129766482added
>>129771487If Black Sabbath - Forbidden isn't added before the chart is finished I'm going to go nuclear attack on this general.
>>129773467Do we really want to waste a space on the worst Sabbath album?
>>129685141Uncle Slam is okay and listenable but I never really understood the hype.
>>129773467unfortunately that album sucks ass, and I say this as a Sabbath fan
>>129698508fucking how?
>>129722780based
>>129773578>>129774621the 2024 remix made it listenable. it's still their worst tho
>>129773578>>129774621It's not their worst. It's a 9/10.
>>129688761gonna give this another shot
It's one of their worst albums, but one of their best album covers. Maybe a bit cartoonish, but I like it.
>>129768591Priest and Whitesnake aren't NWOBHM
>>129758162Fucking hell, I was just going through a Jag Panzer bout. Fucking Joey Taffola is a bonafide shredder.
budgie - forearm smash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U8qWL8pYZ4budgie - hellbender https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sozdfb9Embkbudgie - panzer division destroyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSTH9_HIBVs
>>129775704>It's one of their worst albumsNope. Not single bad song on it.
bump
>>129781624pretty sizable step down from lovedrive. some excellent songs like make it real, the zoo and the title track, but there's some filler that i don't really care for.
>>129778147HETEROSEXUALS HAVE THE RIGHT TO ROCKSO GLAM FAGS, GET OFF THE POTWHO WANTS TO SEE TRANSVESTITES IN DRAGWHO LOOK LIKE A GLAM ROCK FAG
>>129783278Indeed.
Riot is so kickass manhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5op8JVT4OIg
>>129785320they made albums worth listening to after lightning to the nations?
>>129688761pretty damn excited, there's a video where bobby says he was trying to capture a more old-fashioned sound reminiscent of SLB, captain beyond and bang on this one
>>129684786THE FUCK Y'ALL KNOW BOUT THIS HERE ALBUMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlcHbPr_8oU
>>129788079YEAH THE FIRST FUCKIN LYRIC OF THE ALBUM IS JUST 'METAL'THATS THAT REAL METAL FUCKIN SHIT BOISHIIIEEEETTT
