Chad Schumann editionhttps://youtu.be/4RQoJjhFv2sThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129848208
>>129857365>I guess you couldn't be too experimental back thenCorrect. This is why Modern Classical reigns supreme.
>>129859141I was just listening to Schumann.
>songs
>>129859251Lieder*
>>129859101Bach, Beethoven and Bruckner. My taste is pretty simple.https://youtu.be/Z7pyu1CEEWwDoes anyone happen to have this recording in FLAC? Can't find it on rutracker.
>>129860028https://files.catbox.moe/6sagr8.zip
>>129860028Simply cringe and normie, yes.
>>129860049DOCTOOOOOOOOOOS ITS 'P
I knew the wojak poster was a sharty faggotprobably the only sharty poster that listens to classical music kek
>>129860140Thats aryan though
>He posted it again
>>129859141>Western (European) classical traditionSo no Americans?
>>129860145Of coursehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCzvc3Cl6xE
>>129860152Correct.
Its a Satie morning.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-sWkmBoU3Q
Nothing comes close to listening to Siegfried to start the day.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T0ViMdK89E
>>129860178not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
Love Satie, stay here Satieposter
fuck I love Mozart so much FUCK
>mom scolded me for raiding the fridge at 4am to eat the rest of her birthday cake This is kind of how im feeling now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1-TrAvp_xs
>>129860297not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>129859122Glenn "Gold" was all three
>>129860140Which wojak poster? I haven't seen any wojak posters here.>>129860152No.
>Donizetti—L'elisir d'amoreListening to this makes me think that the bombast in Lucia di Lammermoor is completely justified because this one is similar except with less bombast and less variety in mood and it is utterly mediocre in comparison.
>>129860152American's never had a single good composer in the first place, its not like there is any loss not talking about them.
Besides Strauss, Liszt and the slavs, what other good composers of symphonic poems are there?
>>129860780Dvorak
>>129860601I'd say in the 20th century they can be decent. Depends heavily on the composer though
>>129860789>and the slavs
>>129860799Dvorak was spiritually germanic.
>>129860780Sibelius has 'tone poems'Max Regerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwi1Um53caYFranz Schrekerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJlGBj59nQ8&list=OLAK5uy_nPc67yrVjC9HxTflid1d0smFmmeCteSPo&index=1
Btw mahler 8 > 9
>>129860836Based
>>129860601Roy Harris, William Schuman, Aaron Copland, Charles Ives, Samuel Barber, the list goes on...
>>129860833>and the slavs
>>129860839Even more grim than I thought
>>129860152Don't know how new you are but it's always been that way in this general. If you want to talk about Americans then maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
Reminder there is no such thing as faithfulness to the score and the composer's intent, because intrinsic to every classical composition is the knowledge it will be performed by a musician who can and will apply their own interpretive color to the music.
>>129861070They're not mutually exclusive.
>>129861066You're right in that it should always have been like this, but it wasn't until I changed it, for obvious reasons.
>>129861094>RussianNot European
>>129861109West of the Ural is Yurop so ya
>>129861115Beverly Hills, California, U.S. however is not in Europe.
>>129861131True. No one implied otherwise.
Whats been going on with this general, why is everyone just shitposting about what is and isn't /classical/? Cant we just get along and not argue about what other people like?
Figaro, Figaro...
>>129861164Gatekeeping is necessary to ensure this general stays high quality. We literally had poptimists posting Aphex Twin in the last thread.
>>129861164Because if everything is classical, nothing is. I'd say a /contemporary/ general would fix this issue instantly.
>>129861164The rules are stated clearly in OP.>Western (European) classical traditionMeaning classical music that is both made by European composers and is traditional meaning not contemporary shit by pop composers. Hope this helps.
>>129861247It says classical instrument-playing is allowed which means I can post stuff like.I am learning how to play this on violin guys!https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GkezKwLwbdAI love Aqua!
Backhaus' Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74--LgsPHM&list=OLAK5uy_lERwjwx0bBOki3BE8CqdGpNXNOkgmTAcU&index=9
dead general
>>129863046A break one day a week isn't so bad, anon. In the meantime, listen to Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81IRhpmwn3U&list=OLAK5uy_lERwjwx0bBOki3BE8CqdGpNXNOkgmTAcU&index=1
>>129863136Already listened to Arrau playing the sonatas yesterday
>>129860325(not true, by the way)
>>129859122Chopin wasn't any of those. Neither was Rachmaninoff. Hell I could name dozens who don't fit that
It's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wLqFItz7b4&list=OLAK5uy_lGZhqd0bh5p9Sf5Ty_5Sh-ATp5TgHOlmI&index=2
>>129863341>ChopinHomosexual>RachmaninoffCrypto-jew
i like shoving my finger in my kitty's face and yelling, "die, walkure, die!" while she stares back with unassuming, oblivious love
>>129863393Chopin literally had a girlfriend
>>129863349Based. Im listening to the Tannhauser overture
Greatest symphonists in no particular order:BeethovenBrucknerBrahmsMahlerDvorakTchaikovskySchumannMendelssohnSibeliusHaydnOther composers may have written some good symphonies, but they were simply not on the same level.
>>129863481>Mendelssohnso painfully overrated
>>129863481Haydn but no Mozart? No Shostakovich?
>>129863493More like underrated.>>129863577Mozart would make the list had he lived to compose a couple more. As it is, he left us a mostly juvenile set of symphonic works. With Schostakovich I freely admit that some personal bias is influencing my list; I never really got what was so great about his symphonies.
>>129863617if you can get Mahler, you can get Shostakovich imoparticularly symphonies 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 127 and 10 are masterpieces, 5 and 8 come close, and the rest are great
>>129863617>More like underrated.First off, people only listen to three of his five symphonies, so already you cut his quantity/cycle in half. Secondly, while the 3rd and 4th are fun, they don't offer any emotional depth or sublimity. The 5th is solid but again, not a masterpiece. I just don't see how they rank among the all-time best.
>>129859141I'm putting more effort into classical guitar, what are some nice intermediate pieces for someone looking for a path less trodden?For example, I really liked all of Erik Satie's Gnosiennes on guitar - something that initially I thought wouldn't be as nice as it is on piano, and boy did I turn out to be mistaken!
Did the death of improvisation kill classical music?
>>129863725They mostly seem strange and offputting to me. Maybe I just need to get used to it though.
>>129863848It didn't die but it was pigeonholed onto jazz
>>129863848There are people who are trying to revive it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij1D5kyr_joThe tradition also never really died out, it was preserved among organists.
>>129863848Its alive and well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFul90BFjGc
>>129863946this guy needs a better mic setup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1WaInjHUT0Thoughts on Leo Ornstein ?
>>129863952Fuck you
>>129863946>>129863848Everyone trained in an instrument is going to be improvising on a piece, thats like the whole fun of playing music. Its just something with recording culture where they stick to what is written on the paper. It would be cool to see more live recordings of improvs like what jazz had
>>129863952Why do the musicians look like that lmao
>Symphony no.4 in A minor op.63>Symphony no.5 in E flat major op.82>Symphony no.6 in D minor op.104>Symphony no.7 in C major>Tapiola op.112>The Swan of Tuonela op.22/2>Finlandia op.26>Valse triste op.44/1>Concerto for Violin and Orchestra in D minor op.47The K-God really ought to have recorded his first three symphonies as well.
>>129863959not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
I've been listening to a lot of Mahler recently and want to get into Nielsen now. Anyone care to name a few works? Which symphony do I start with, 4?
>>129864357Nigger
>>129863481>schumannWrote 4 mid symphonies>SibeliusWorst composer in the world>DvorakWrote 9 symphonies and like 2 of them are good>TchaikovskyMore understandable but I wouldn't include him either. i just don't like his style much
>>129860780Franck had a few, including the first actual tone poem as we understand them, written 2-4 years before Liszt's first tone poem that suspiciously shares the same titlehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJoU0MQu_HASome of the 20th century englishmen wrote decent ones, like Bridge, Delius and Holst. Believe it or not Johann Strauss wrote two very good ones, Traumbilder 1 & 2
>>129860843Finnoswedes, germans, and austrians aren't slavs, anon
>>129864376>t. René Leibowitz
Cool musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-OReIMMq6c&list=OLAK5uy_kkB55wgon6ZsOH4sPziVwzSMFTIfuYzU8&index=9
>>129864426I wish
>>129864369>Anyone care to name a few works?I mean yeah most of them>Which symphony do I start with, 4?Are you just going to listen to his symphonies? They're all great and a must listen, so I'd say start with the first one, but if it's too post-romantic for you and you want to dive straight into his modern stuff then I suppose you could go for the 3rd. Most of his stuff is great, though. Overlooked and underlistened-to composer even though he always seems to be somewhere in the periphery of general discourse.
>>129860178And a Satie night.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96-ey88w3KQFunny thing is, almost every other Satie piece would have been more aptly called a Nocturne. And apparently it's not his usual irony, it's just me not really feeling them. To me they are a bit too lively and idyllic. Maybe it's the classic mistake of playing Satie too fast. But I still like them, been listening every night lately. Also despite being a late composition, I think they have more of a classical (or at least romantic impressionist) sound.
>>129864453I don't get it, the pianos were having sex?
you really gotta include Mozart in the best symphony composers list for his 25th 29th 38th 39th 40th and 41st
All Mozart symphonies except Nrs. 40 and 41 sound the same.
>>129864446Actually his second symphony is pretty fucking modern too. Just listen to all six. I recommend the DaCapo Schønwandt/Danish National Symphony Orchestra cycle.
>>129864464yes babygirl
Oscar-Arthur Honeggerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu7NskuYF7Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2WmIoUeX1chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa5nMSrME-4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PjvRC6OGbohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl6ZnIDwKEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqSFBwBC0S0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_73erL8o_9whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4FmuobrUs4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AR8Y8bWFSwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKLcpEF29nQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbTdcWUTV4Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prxyp8EHITohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrDpP0Z2ojEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeqhKYRV7ughttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rocZ_0CayFohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcHHFH1AN_0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qFqUUQx2Lshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ddnp-GHn6Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJm2AEcbzIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vnhPVyMb38https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDy3brfTcIshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQw_xezqK_shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUGLqJEfJAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpT_I8tjxbQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTd_1GKeQg8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKYCB3PdLakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wjT1ycujT4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8FX5ZtnNMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iphzdVU9kEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLlg0r2wXuIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZRBxy6onXMDon't worry, last time I'm doing this. It ran its course and hardly anyone cared.
>>129864556You got tons of replies and introduced many of us to more of Honegger's music. Your effort bore fruit. We appreciate it, anon.
>>129864683Oh thanks, I do appreciate all feedback and have been trying (I think successfully?) to reply to all of it, but overall the vast majority of people either ignore my shills or actively shit on them
>>129863959Too good for this general.
has anyone else been unable to access the hyperion website for months now
>>129864484deaf and dumb
>>129864376>schumann>Wrote 4 mid symphoniesRhenish is in the top 5 symphonies of all time. Objectively. I'd push it in top 3 but that's me - factually it remains in top 5.>>Sibelius>Worst composer in the worldStale meme.>>Dvorak>Wrote 9 symphonies and like 2 of them are goodGood is an understatement.>>Tchaikovsky>More understandable but I wouldn't include him either. i just don't like his style muchYour opinion is as worthless as my cat's poop fortunately.
>>129864725Seems fine to me. You get banned from it? lel
now playingstart of JS Bach: Cello Suite No. 1 in G Major, BWV 1007https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WqzgubEeBg&list=OLAK5uy_kGkTQvvN9v34bIrlwVD-PaOZ8T6ViY2FU&index=2start of JS Bach: Cello Suite No. 2 in D Minor, BWV 1008https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf3lQZqKSFg&list=OLAK5uy_kGkTQvvN9v34bIrlwVD-PaOZ8T6ViY2FU&index=9start of JS Bach: Cello Suite No. 3 in C Major, BWV 1009https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdyqFwb2U9M&list=OLAK5uy_kGkTQvvN9v34bIrlwVD-PaOZ8T6ViY2FU&index=15https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kGkTQvvN9v34bIrlwVD-PaOZ8T6ViY2FU
>>129864484finally someone else with balls to say it
>>129864556Ive been checking the view count and none of them went up since you started posting this a few days ago except the first one
>>129865424No, it's been throwing a "400 Bad Request" for the longest time>You get banned from it? ...how would that even work? I only access the page, read stuff, and leave. Or used to anyway. Point is I don't interact with it
>>129865473>...how would that even work?My question exactly!https://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA67980This doesn't work for you? Weird. Maybe you need to clear your cache or some shit. No idea. Very strange. Maybe you were using a bot to scrap all their data and you got blocked.
>>129865484>This doesn't work for you?Nah, same screen as usual. Woudl clearing cookies do anything? I'm not terribly computer-literate>Maybe you were using a bot I literally just look up reviews on pieces as I listen to them. I've been doing it for so long I don't even know when I started. If this were an issue I should also be banned from allmusic or naxos or wikipedia
>>129865461Oh well.
>>129865513A quick Google search suggests clearing your cookies should work based on that error message.
>>129865461>>129865534I can't speak for others but I'd check out a few seconds, see if it might be appealing for my mood, and then go look up the piece on my streaming service to actually listen to it.
>>129865452if balls means retardation then sure
>>129865461Also they've been posting it for over a month.
>>129865535Right, that did it. I don't know why I didn't think of it before, maybe because a while back Earsense was also down for a lot of people and I figured it was the same deal.
>>129864903>t. firetrucker
>>129865552Well, that's a consolation for sure>>129865565I thought I had been doing it for just about a month. That's usually how long I try to shill a composer before I give up or move on to another one.
what piece are you most proud of being able to play?for me it's Brahms's Op. 118
>>129859141Chad Bernstein
>>129864369His 5th symphony is my favorite. Although Nielsen has this issue for me where his first movements are always the most interesting to me. Also, check out his Aladdin Suite.
>>129865617The Maple Leaf Rag
>>129865581And lastly, the thing I've noticed about making recommendations (or really anywhere) is people only listen to things they're directly in the mood for. If someone asks for symphonies and you give them symphonies, yeah they'll probably listen to it. If someone wants to listen to Bach and you tell them you came across a new, fantastic Brahms recording, nothing you do will convince them to listen to it until they're ready.My point being the goal with your posts shouldn't be primarily to get people to listen to every one of those links, but rather to enter the composer and those works into everyone's consciousness, so for when they are ready, they will listen to them. That's how it works for me here at least, for example the Franz Schreker links you used to post; I never clicked on one until I finally got into the mood for his brand of Germanic orchestral music long after you had stopped posting links to his music. Without your posts, he never would have been in my consciousness, so I would have neither ever searched him up or, more likely for most, clicked on his name when I came across his music and recordings, for he'd just be another obscure, unworthy composer one forever scrolls past otherwise if not for your posts cementing his name into our mind.That's my view, anyway.
damn lost my place in Gotterdammerung so now I have to start from the beginning again. RIP the rest of my evening
>>129865690Thanks for the feedback, truly. My idea is that if I post a wide ranging number of works, spanning also a range of genres, that represent all the major works and periods of the composer, that it's more likely someone will gravitate towards it, regardless of what they're currently in the mood for.For example, I won't have to wait for someone to feel like getting recommendations specifically in the symphonic realm, or specifically chamber music, or even more specifically string quartets, if I've already included all of that (composer permitting) in my "shill" posts. I see, however, how that could be a bit overwhelming and actively drive people away ("I'm not listening to ALL of that" is a reccuring complaint, followed by people asking me to narrow it down to the best 5/10 works, something I'm utterly unable to do unless the composer's already pretty limited, in which case the links aren't likely to be many to begin with).Sometimes it's hard to tell what will and won't work here. I know I've gotten good results in the past, though. Glad to know you checked out Schreker because of my promoting him, for example. The Bridge, Spohr, Hindemith and Foulds posts were also moderately well received.
I dont get the chad schuman meme
>>129865955there's nothing to get
>>129863432>Chopin literally had a girlfriendShe was never a woman
>>129865955>hehe this isn't actually Schumann but notice how it kinda looks like Chad version of him? so I'mma use it as the OP of a /classical/ threadthat's it. that's all there is to get. unless you haven't seen No Country for Old Men, I guess.
>>129865967lay off the crack for a while
i don't get the meme where some people pretend brahms isn't one of the few greatest composers of all time
>>129865990>one of the few greatestwhat
>>129866007it's correct, anon. i'm a writer, you can trust me.
>>129865759nta but if I see a huge wall of links I immediately disregard all of it as spam.
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>>129866063Harsh, but understandable
I practiced composing by just writing random four note chords that sort of made sense. This is more music than I've ever written in one sitting. I feel happy I've made *anything* at all even if it's super early and subject to a lot of change when it comes to rhythm and phrasing. None of my friends can read music which is why you're seeing this.Actually quite happy with bars 2-4 here. Let's not talk about the disgusting 5-6... If anyone has a piano here I'd love to hear feedback. C Major.
>>129866170Makes me happy to see you've created something and are happy about it, anon.
watching the NBA on mute while listening to classical :)
>>129866170
>>129865957Why do you guys post it so often? Is it supposed to be funny?
>>129866230>you guys>implying
>>129866230it's just one autist who keeps posting it.
>>129866170any reason why you're using a billion ledger lines instead of spreading the chord across both systems? makes it obnoxious to read.
>>129866191Thank you! Listening to Le Tombeau de Couperin gave me a spark.
>>129866230Its some troll who hates us, he does it out of spite
>>129866246Still figuring the software out. I appreciate you pointing it out. Fixed for clarity
>>129866170>clave rhythmswhy are you a nigger?
>>129866331go post your images in a gore thread. they will be much more appreciated there.
>>129866335I'm just trying different chords with no consideration for rhythm or articulation. Take it easy
>>129866377fuck off and kill yourself, faggot.
>>129866335>>129866350>>129866388>>>/b/
>>129866350>>129866388What is your problem? Shut the fuck up.>>129866331>>129866170You might have more luck on reddit, on /r/classicalmusic or /r/composers or maybe even /r/piano.
>>129859141Come and watch North Korean tv. They’re playing the Vienna philharmonichttps://kcnawatch.org/korea-central-tv-livestream/
>>129866416Rule 6: You do not feed the wildlife.
>>129866430
>>129866413>>>/trash/
>>129866447But they're posting music... why would I hate?
>>129866457They were playing Brahms. It’s now some Russian pop song.
>>129866481stop sucking cocks.
>>129866430>>129866481
All of Solti's Wagner sounds like the anthem for armageddon. It's so menacing, fierce, turbulent, and of course loud and thundering. Sometimes I want a little sensitivity and heart! His Tristan und Isolde sounds more like it's about the world ending than about love.
>>129866494>>129866500They’re playing Brahms again right now. Watchhttps://kcnawatch.org/korea-central-tv-livestream/Korean TV is very fun. It looks like this is Vienna Philharmonic’s new year.
>>129866521shut your fucking mouth. nobody asked for your retarded opinions.
>>129866543>>>/b/
>>129866529put a bullet through your skull.
>>129866554slap my nuts and call me trixie
>>129866554The DPRK is a veritable paradise on Earth. Just enjoy the tunes
oh we're getting raided by some asshole(s) from /metal/ who are attacking every post, I see>>129866529ah damn I must have missed it
>>129866564Open again if you’re on your laptop. It’s on right now
>>129866564fuck off, North Korean shill.
>>129866564It’s Vienna Philharmonic’s new year, right? This is a pic of my laptop. It’s live for me but on my laptop.
>>129866574fuck off. this thread is not your fucking blog.
>>129866590Oh, I see, when I clicked it showed some kind of folk dancing.
>>129866590tie your neck to a fan and just fucking die.
>>129866606Do you by any chance recognize what this piece right now is? I like it.
>>129866621slit your wrists and bleed to death.
>>129866621Yeah, it's showing me some kind of folk operetta or musical. You must be watching either an archive or different stream. It's all good. Enjoy!
It's ALWAYS a good idea to filter tripfags
>>129866640They’re cutting it back and forth, the one and the other…. For some reason. One song from the Russian operetta then they do Vienna Brahms and Strauss. It’s sort of annoying how they did it.
>>129866644they need to be publicly beheaded.>>129866648fuck off, slut.
>>129866648I see. Well I'm gonna go back to what I'm listening to. Thanks for sharing! I hope the NK intelligence agency and their hackers didn't just log my IP and hit me with a malicious script and virus.
now playingstart of Elgar: Symphony No. 1 in A-Flat Major, Op. 55https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU_5PmyUqMQ&list=OLAK5uy_ljP70CVhWhN4J6FmixDvvu6dtcxOJnWYM&index=2start of Elgar: Symphony No. 2 in E-Flat Major, Op. 63https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piwRYPNLUMA&list=OLAK5uy_ljP70CVhWhN4J6FmixDvvu6dtcxOJnWYM&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ljP70CVhWhN4J6FmixDvvu6dtcxOJnWYM>Elgar's two symphonies have a special place in English musical history. When they were first played they towered head and shoulders--in sheer technique, let alone content--above previous symphonic offerings by British composers. Today when we have the magnificent symphonies of Vaughan Williams, Walton, Bax, Rubbra, Britten, and others to set beside them, they still stand apart, having already achieved the status of classics. Their mastery may have been equaled, but it has not been surpassed.I've listened to many, many recordings of these two wonderful symphonies, yet I never got around to these famous historical accounts by Sir Adrian Boult. I've heard from many his remains the best performances to this day. Let's find out!
*steals the /classical/ general's Rheingold*
>>129866901keep it, it's cursed
>>129866775That's *my* favourite recording, personally, for what it's wortht
>>129866942Do you feel the same about the Boult/Menuhin recording of Elgar's Violin Concerto?
>>129866977Now that you mention it I'm not sure... I guess I'll be finding out soon
>>129866925I stole it and now the Lakers are losing by ~35 points. I should have listened...
>>129866977>>129866990For future reference the recording I'm more used to is Du Pré's, and apparently liked it well enough not to consider a different recording for years
>>129867035forgot pic
>>129867035>>129867046That's the Cello Concerto!!But yes it's an essential recording for any classical fan.
>>129867056Shit, my brain's not cooperating tonight. As far as the VIOLIN concerto's concerned, I like the Hugh Bean/Sir Charles Groves/LPO one
On retrospect I think what happened was that in my mind I replaced Menuhin with Rostropovich. I'm very sleepy
>>129867095Not only have I never heard of that recording I haven't heard of the violinist or conductor! Guess I'll check it out. I personally think the Violin Concerto has a lot of great recordings. I'm not sure I could narrow it down to even a top three.>>129867124:p
>>129867175>I personally think the Violin Concerto has a lot of great recordings. I'm not sure I could narrow it down to even a top three.I think it's high time I try a few more, so I'm willing to take recs. Already made a mental note to check out >>129866977
>>129867190>I think it's high time I try a few more, so I'm willing to take recs.Perlman/Barenboim, Kennedy/Handley, Frang/Ticciati, Benedetti/Jurowski, Capucon/Rattle, Znaider/Colin Davis (though the usual recommendation here would be the famous Hahn/Colin Davis recording).
>>129867229>Capucon/RattleOoooh that sounds like it could be fun
>>129867251Comes with a great performance of the Violin Sonata too featuring the pianist we all love here, Stephen Hough.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9G3aNpJD_I&list=OLAK5uy_leg1WeB81EL0NuFFG1alXScpVXthdcKZk&index=1Hope you enjoy!
>>129867267
It's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfs4Adb89Ag&list=OLAK5uy_niMqJeBhTDA8VOtJTXKn4fd66vwOb5Pas&index=1
>>129867718for you to go away? absolutely!
>>129867718Is this Carlos Kleiber's best recording (by far)?
>>129863764Lobgesang is a masterpiece as is the Scottish.
>>129866775These are still my favourite recordings of Elgar symphonies too.
>>129867847Anyone who thinks Mendelssohn is anything less than first-rate and couldn't see how he's underrated should be ignored completely. Not even worth ridicule.
>>129867923shalom.
>>129867923First-rate in some forms no doubt but symphonies? No way. I doubt I would place a Mendelssohn symphony in my top... 25?
>>129867952That's fair, but that's also you. I think out of the 5 full-size symphonies he wrote only the first one isn't a masterpiece. And maybe I *wouldn't* include the Italian in my top 20. The rest are definitely up there with the greatest. Symphonies aside it's impossible not to include some of his other symphonic works, such as the Midsummer Night suite, or the Hebrides overture, or some of his concertos, as very much amongst the best of the century.>>129867938Go back to /meal/
>>129867812If we're not counting just his officially sanctioned recordings, then I would say his Brahms 2nd is the best one he ever did. Or his Beethoven 4th.
Wendy Carlos
>>129868069I too refer to "music producers" as knob pullers.
>>129868136That's what I call organists
Maybe this doesn't apply to anyone else here because I spend too much time listening to classical music, but Vaughan Williams' symphonies work pretty well as one long symphony, from the 1st-to-the-9th. It has a nice ebb and flow, nice variety.
Any good recordings of Purcell's Funeral Music for Queen Mary and Here The Deities Approve?
>>129868301That's a lot of minutes of music, anon. We're talking Ring-levels of sheer length
>>129868301>>129868493Just did the numbers: Going by my recordings of choice, it's about 5 and a half hours
>>129867812yes and it's not even the best studio Tristan lol
Sex with Tristan
>>129869589https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_vyVQnvFc4
>>129869627working link:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0Qd24gk0g8
Why are symphony cycles so often in a non-chronological order?
Hm... which one to listen to...
>>129870427Neither. Mengelberg.
>>129868069The joke is you can't post the music because he is a litigious psycho
>>129870730>he
jumpscared by glenn goulds humming again. it always feels like someone is in the room with me
how can I find the best works of a composer? should I just go on spotify and listen to the top songs
>>129870964Go here https://talkclassical-list.github.io/ expand all with the button in the lower right corner and ctrl-f
>>129870978Useful but I meant more like specific composers
Scriabin 5 is overrated. 3, 4, 7, 8, 9 and 10 are all better.
>>129870964>>129870987Type in a search bar "Best X pieces" then go to a talkclassical/reddit/whatever thread and see what people are saying.
>>129870987Are you too lazy to press the next search result button?
>>129871000>Scriabin is overratedCorrect. Doesn't even make the top 50.
>>129871027They only have one result for the composer I wanted to listen to. That isn't much help.
>>129871052Oh it's someone obscure. Who?
>>129871062Adam Kalmbach
>>129870427
>>129870987https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996/
Chad Schubert
>Please think for me talkclassical, just give me what the cattle agrees is good. What, discover pieces on my own? Who would do that!
>>129871135It's just a curated list of great works to explore, anon.
>>129871148And who says these "recommended works" are great? It's all subjective.
>>129871166It's just a starting place, a resource, not holy scripture.
>>129871166>It's all subjective.No it isn't. Intersubjectivity isn't the same as subjectivity.
It's time (this time in English!)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zc3xPKbGUw&list=OLAK5uy_nhAGhNTmCYuV4hoGLonuY8AX9RtZTbFVk&index=5
>>129870930he/him whatever
>>129871062Philippe de Vitry
>>129871252She/her*
>>129871224Intersubjectivity more like Normalfaggotivity.
>>129871278>medievalA cursory google search tells me that virtually none of his works survive, and even fewer have been recorded, so I'm not sure why you would even wonder which his best are.
>>129871321I was listening to this album and just hoping there was more works. But if there isn't I wont bother looking I guess
>>129871352me on the left
Did choral and opera singing come from the same tradition (I assume Renaissance religious works or w/e) -- if so, when did the split happen -- or were they always separate and distinct?
>coworker finds out im into classical>"teehee im into classical too, I have a bunch of classical songs on my playlist">have to remind them that they are compositions and not "songs">ask them to name a few pieces none the less>its a bunch of generic ass shit, beethoven, rach 2, that meme shostakovich waltz from the kubrick movie>just say "ok" and try to change the subjectI'm almost glad less people listen to classical these days, it should be gatekept to only the cultured.
>>129871442Seems like he's making a good faith effort. It's not easy getting into classical these days if you don't know where or how to look. I remember when I first started, listening to Richter's Beethoven or Schubert, for a moment I thought his were the newest recordings available because they don't record classical music anymore, haha. In any case, sounds like an opportunity for you to help him get into more, and to make a new friend. Should have wrote out "/classical/ on 4chan.org/mu/" on a piece of paper and handed it to him.
>>129871352In such a case it is usually worthwhile to search for any recordings at all. Looks like there are three more, don't know if they contain the same works.https://www.discogs.com/artist/1342028-Philippe-de-Vitry
Why did he do it?
>>129871603autism and love of classical musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgmcLxG1Fo0
>>129871365Opera came out of theatre. Its more closely related to what the ancient greeks were doing. But sure some singing tradition was carried over
>>129871293More like anon(You) is seething and coping
>>129871442>beethoven, rach 2,These are actually good and a sign that they genuinely like classical. You could've given them recs instead of being an asshole.
>>129871658Literal tiktok core classical
>TRIIIIIIIISTAN>ISOOOOOOLLLD-UH
>>129871696>some of the greatest composers>tiktok coreBut sure, that random Shosta waltz might be a tiktok core.
>>129871696better than RYMcore classical or autist-obsessed-with-baroque-era-core classical or LARPing-Christian-who-only-listens-to-old-choral-music-core classicalpersonally I don't have a problem with any of these but so long as we're throwing around names and insults
>>129871755>RYMcore classical100 IQ>autist-obsessed-with-baroque-era-core classical120 IQ>LARPing-Christian-who-only-listens-to-old-choral-music-core classicalNegative IQ
need a break from Wagner. gonna do a Strauss day. Salome -> Der Rosenkavalier -> Elektra -> Ariadne auf Naxos -> Die Frau ohne Schatten (alternatively, Daphne+Arabella)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDYUyz4w1zE&list=OLAK5uy_kG-mVR-MhcDrpuysJXR1dzVjtcKo3rVxM&index=3side note: on this cover, Studer looks a lot like (a less attractive version of) an exe of mine. she too ended up being nutty, though highly sexual. a true Salome! anyway...
>>129871603He's the perfect embodiment of a /classical/ poster.Hed the be one spamming links to Schoenberg like the hoenigger or fagner.
Current listeninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF_XFlIP5L8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm6c_VI8CZI
>>129872127at the same time? :ONeeme Jarvi also has some orchestrated (ie "without words") Wagner recordings you might be interested inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKslgH9VNvs&list=OLAK5uy_mXG7HSg_ET8ElH84K4-JRax9reWNwE7Es&index=5There's four recordings of transcriptions: this one of Tristan, one of the Ring cycle, one of Meistersinger, and one of Parsifal. Plus one recording of the Preludes and Overtures (though there's a thousand recordings of these already, so you shouldn't have an issue finding a superior recording elsewhere by a better conductor and orchestra combo), and a recording of Wagner's two symphonies.
What do you guys think of Suitner's Bruckner?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKVDsYMPscI
Where do I start with Wagner? Is it ok to listen to bits and pieces of the ring cycle
>>129872251Why do so many people pretend to be me? I guess its kind of flattering
>>129872289>Is it ok to listen to bits and pieces of the ring cycleSure. Highlights recordings exist. Or however you wanna do it.Personally, I'd say start with the Preludes and Overtures (DG has a wonderful collection, so does Solti on Decca). Once you've fallen in love with those and want to tackle his operas proper, then I'd recommend starting with Tannhauser (Solti or Barenboim recording) and Tristan und Isolde (Bohm, Barenboim, or Karajan 1972 recording). If you enjoy those, then dive into the Ring (Bohm, Solti, or Barenboim set). Hope you end up enjoying his music! Lord knows I have.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtGfwdIb11Y&list=OLAK5uy_lBjfGRzkp2Shl_x8R38xCfzjXAgnl9N90&index=1
>>129872251Pretty good, not great. Though I've only heard his 8th. Maybe I should give it another listen.
>Karajan I only listen to Bernstein or Abbado.
>>129872397The B-Goblin and A-Gargoyle can't hold a candle to the K-God.
>>129872319I always avoid listening to overtures because I dislike the idea of hearing them separated from the work
>>129872297Maho is queen of /classical/ so anyone can post her
wow this thread went to shit right at this >>129867718 pointnot one good post, honestly impressive
>>129872438Hmm, a bit autistic, as historically playing overtures and preludes as standalone orchestral pieces in concert has always been a thing, somethin all composers were aware of, so if intent is what bugs you, it shouldn't, but I respect it. In that case, dive right into Tannhauser. I think it's the most approachable of his operas, next to Tristan und Isolde.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q-JXfXE1vQ&list=OLAK5uy_lwwRfvRlCVfNHb7rOPEPIXqPgOALSsSs4&index=1If the singing in this recording doesn't do it for you, there's always the Solti or Sawallisch recordings worth checking out too.
Pfitznerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFznBhBSLoY&list=OLAK5uy_lOnOdKc6f2QwUlrqzlhm3P6Rsmlb24WSI&index=17
>>129872397okay retard
>>129872102>He's the perfect embodiment of a /classical/ postermakes sense that I hate him so much
Matthew PassionMengelberg >> Richter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rest.
>>129873410Havent yet heard mengelberg but your post makes me curious. What is so good about his version?
>>129873723It is the only correct version basically. Classical performance by and for the highest functioning minds, for the most delicately sensitive and autistic sort. Of course, you liking slop like Szell would probably miss all that makes it good, but listen to it anyway. It is possibly the most expressive Bach recording ever made.
>>129873723>>129873791To flesh out what makes it good, it's the heavy use of rubato, large romantic sonority, lush strings, portamenti, lingering vibrato, arching phrases, high louds and low quiets (instead of static, dynamicless slop we hear today) - it is pure perfection. No reason to listen to any other, except Furt's or Richter's for the complete version. But I'm completely fine with cuts, I don't need anything less.
>>129873410Mengelberg sucks, Richter is highly over rated. What other ones have you even listened to?
>>129874016Nothing else has enough hiss for him to even tolerate the recording unfortunately.
>>129873889>>129873791Well I see, I like some Mengelberg recordings and i like nazi conductors, ill check it out.
>>129874044>Maho poster is a naziI hate you more and more every day
>>129874056Not a nazi, but I find the nazi generation of conductors pretty good (Böhm especially). My political beliefs are closer to Mussolini than Hitler.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQrXPI0YJ5o
>>129874044Good.>>129874016Your taste sucks the hardest and there's nothing else to be said.
>anime poster is a fascistevery time.
>>129864556Checked out one to see whether it's a case of the classic very artsy cover for completely uninspired run-of-the-mill music, it was actually somewhat interesting. Makes sense because looks like he was Satie associated. Might listen to more if you give me some recommendations until I get disappointed. So far I feel like the way of Les Six is to take some of Satie's style, tone it down, and make it more like generic boring classical.>>129866230I always laugh at it, don't know why anyone would have a problem with it.
>>129874382He's pretending to be me. Ive been openly libertarian since I started posting. Mozart himself was a libertarian.
This Maho impostor situation is starting to get ridiculous.
>>129874511its obvious who is the real one and who is fake
Still the best Wagner, I dont care how mainstream it ishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQM97_iNXhk
>rolls chordsBarembourn cant play piano
Is he the biggest Chad?
>>129874783yes
>>129874783>never married>died a virgin>hardly composed any music himselfnope
>X recording is the best!>what makes it so good?>they perform it correctly!who cares? it only matters who performs it the best
>>129874904That is so wrong I dont even know where to start. A lo fi recording with terrible production and hiss isn't going to be the best just because there are good preformers
>>129874839Stop looking at the mirror
>>129870964yeah spotify is alright
a couple dull dialogue parts at the beginning aside, Strauss' Ariadne auf Naxos is so fuckin' goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2FdDhC3hbA&list=OLAK5uy_kU83tBdxcJi8ry_UOZWL2xl95OGKb3y6s&index=8Loved it.
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OPWOYcGBUY
'bout time I finally make thenew>>129875411>>129875411>>129875411>>129875411new
