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Thread for music such as IDM, glitch, abstract-oriented and all kind of experimental electronica.

https://youtu.be/_8lKp4IerpA?is=vyYa_dUg3EoHQbci
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>>129940605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c5M7L90-iI
the black dog, obscure
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posting speedy j cuz he is quite overlooked from the original artifical intelligence series that created the term idm
his music is pretty good, arguably his later techno music is better but his role in idm is still important

https://youtu.be/T9358xriHR0?si=sH-PPQtApczfb4xs
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>>129940605
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8lKp4IerpA&t=1570s
damn this part kicks ass
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>>129941562
Crunchy
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I assume we may dance?
Enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imz3toPGVqk
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>>129942845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH6ppQ2-ya8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysY_uTor_0c

Greed eats your soul.

You don't need it.
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I guess it was only a matter of time before this dude made a straight-up Jazz Fusion record. It's good for what it is, but it does absolutely nothing for me.

https://squarepusher.bandcamp.com/album/kammerkonzert
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApiSnfd4Srk
>>129943029
Never met the guy IRL yet, I think.
But squares have been pushed, indeed.
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Why are IDM nerds always so harsh with Tom Jenkinson? I swear, this never happen with any other of his contemporaries.
I mean, RDJ could release a demo full of farts on soundcloud and everyone would be gushing over it.
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>>129943296
I love Squarepusher. I just don't like his newest album... at all.
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>>129943296
>I mean, RDJ could release a demo full of farts on soundcloud and everyone would be gushing over it.
That's kinda the joke.
I guess.

If memory serves right, it was 1999 or so when IM posted a PsyTrance song made. I think, entirely of fart samples on Isratrance.
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In the end, we're all just heaps of cells moving around, hoping to have a good time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUio2S6A4mw
Well, respect, you silly talented guys.
Love ya.
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>>129943296
I'd say it's because he veers into quirky sporkcore but so does RDJ so idk.
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>>129943583
u drunk fäm?
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>>129943708
Drunk on what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BACeVP7TTFo
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>>129943755
Jenkem
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBMR1ti9E8o
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new Lone album today. waited a long time for this
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>>129943781
That would just be methane, right?
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>>129943946
Not his best work but good shit anyhow
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>>129940605
>Autechre
Next album when?
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>>129948276
They stated they're not interested in making studio albums anymore, only livesets.
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>>129952475
HELL YEAH
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>>129943946
I like it, but why did he remove most subbass?
This album sounds so thin.
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Is this the gabber thread? I want to get into the genre but my literal only experience with it is the Ridge Racer 1 soundtrack.
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I've grown fond of the Illian Tape style ambient breakbeats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPtlMAcHT7I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_yGsOV0hVs
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>>129952601
I miss albums honestly.
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>>129948276
I'm hoping the recordings from US tour get released sometime soon. The Minneapolis show was wild, I need to relive that set in some form.
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>>129941211
>>129942553
BOC getting into the coffee biz
RIP Starbucks
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>>129940605
I prefer rock

https://youtu.be/fyo9v-9T8JI?si=h5_KPCCrYNz9E8el
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>>129940674
Coincidentally just found this guy a week or two ago.
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>>129943029
Usually I can take or leave Squarepusher but I'm digging this a lot actually, though I am a sucker for electronics mixed with orchestra
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>>129952892
Unironically just look up gabber/hardcore playlists on youtube

Also there's this series of mixes called Thunderdome, but it's a lot of hit or miss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL17Zr7gW_s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei3i7W2nz74
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQFfQqmIAiI
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>>129943029
That sounds like he just clicked ‘random’ in some AI MIDI generator and then threw in 25-year-old preset sounds from a DAW.
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>>129960571
I think a lot of this is "le classical music reinterpretation with midi, synths and VSTs", and it often sounds uncanny and that makes it associate with AI.
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The legendary Out Ass Mao / Osamu Sato has released a couple of albums in the last years. Is electronica healing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi0I7fs8B5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmg4842vjQg
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>>129940605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULRIzEjWEx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xPKHnPJd6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxQzN4wFG0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgDxf-KZpcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP8iYGSUzuA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Y4QyihHxM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQzCrGHx24k
https://youtu.be/PbHGVChb4rQ?si=qnZqkhn9AZbNhkIB&t=710 (aphex worship)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fivMJ4ExdoE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyURtvH6CXo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_70nYnKbKdg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn6xVnYtMJY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoyiG9GzsTU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbB8l1yrNqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RLrL5uFyww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMH9C8BgGLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CBbgW2Z3Kg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsl4qQtZ4-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw9ZBp9vm4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0aQ9sY90Bs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycVgiEH7kHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPVLFmhcCeo (aphex worship)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=858pdeGJgCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks1HCT31vH4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPaYYFFStf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nfm0FZ7yB0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5oPN3QkdYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrlEfuAl1Gk

idm is fake and not a real genre

>>129942845
>>129942913
>>129951734
>>129959709
but this isnt it and also bad
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>>129959709
>>129956756
>>129952892
Not IDM or related to the thread.
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>>129969493
This specific chart has been floating around since even before the /mu/ canon existed, true story
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why are ppl spamming charts unrelated to this thread
>>129964086
thank you for these links, i have discovered something truly magnificent this day and i feel like i gotta share some stuff as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSPSdpExfnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SJWOCE1OE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxYDOKL-sEY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAuehJyXu7Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkfpnFIDAsc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Uu1r0nVcGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwpQQPuraSE&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi-ul8wHgB0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ItPUgVtAiQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkQbueay1OY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHFbCWMnuz0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilPc-cFGqWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CxJf5Yhsaw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYj6-vWXWck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73n8NeWbun4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvx8NrjPNBU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3g_TCWqPh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rivCIGWG9aQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oEIlLLEuy4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR1LJr3lO1E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwPz48VpWvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOQDQnnV8yI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFBRiSfHetE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa8IqCfYXzY

wish i was this good at making music to publish such pieces of art
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B35LE3_9UM8
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Anyone else into Future Sound of London?
Their latest Environments trilogy has been quite nostalgic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX9IEpZD2yg

Are there any good copycats?
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Favorite current labels? I'm digging Hymen Records
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>>129978598
I'm a Kompakt kinda guy.
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>>129940605
Grischa Lichtenberger

https://youtu.be/I-0VweGWvwM?is=UPX4KGajBqyS2ayo
https://youtu.be/dDgrCa4ijWo?is=mg1aPvvF6XUUDuUO
https://youtu.be/eRRmAOjTR_Y?is=1MB_vmTpnG4miePk
https://youtu.be/xgmMQE6rDWg?is=z-gU2-kP3cUPrfwM
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>>129978598
Chain Reaction, Raster Noton, Editions Mego, Presto Records.
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>>129980247
Good taste

In case you're not familiar, check out Evel, Nakid, Superpang, Nyege Nyege Tapes, and Pan.

https://kakuhan.bandcamp.com/album/metal-zone
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https://valentinamagaletti.bandcamp.com/album/seismo
this is really good
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>>129980551
It's pretty good, but it would be better if it was a bit more stripped down imo
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>>129981756
nonce slop
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Ass
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>>129981756
Why are you posting this here? Make an industrial general, retard.
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>>129984404
Don't forget that B12 thread which got killed off the board because an Anon spammed Pitchfork reviews in it
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>>129985789
>>129981756
>>129975890
>>129971937
>>129969493
>>129967319
>>129959709
>>129956756
>>129951734
What the fuck even is this bot, did it interpret idm as industrial dance music or what, why have random threads over the past month suddenly been spammed with this shit
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>>129985012
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>>129985012
That B12 thread was in the catalog for a whole month. It had served its purpose within 72 hours. It was bumped by a bot 150 times without ever generating relevant discussion. Even the OP of that thread called numerous times for the thread to get archived after a week of nonsense bot bumping. The anon that spammed the pitchfork reviews performed a community service. How long do YOU think that B12 thread should have been in the catalog? A year? Should it be a permanent fixture of this board?
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>>129986206
>The anon that spammed the pitchfork reviews performed a community service.
Completely agree, I wasn't disputing that. That Anon is based.

>How long do YOU think that B12 thread should have been in the catalog? A year? Should it be a permanent fixture of this board?
Absolutely not, I was only pointing it out as an example of how bad it can be. That thread should have fallen off within a week if not a shorter period of time.
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>>129989091
my bad
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>>129989584
Worst part is I'd be interested in posting in an IDM general but that retard ruins it.
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>>129940605
I miss when the idm old guard were putting out something new every year or so. It's been what, 8 years since the last vsnares album? Then again.. all these dudes are like in their fucking 50s. I hope they're doing well, with families and all.

anyway listen to yimino
https://youtu.be/HhznVDJCDYQ
https://youtu.be/k-O3szCfQNM
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>>129993740
Good pic anon never seen this one before
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>>129940605
Been gooning to this recently. It’s got an addictive aura
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>>129994231
Great album, although I'm partial to picrel.
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>>129998180
You suck
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bxkdj9STu0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mBtgGmCbMY
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>>129952601
They're all variations on the same tracks. Really good, but not exciting at all. Their albums on the other band are diverse and exciting. Like going from Oversteps to Exai. That doesn't happen with live shows.
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>>129940605
This is one of the only idm artist I like with boc and aphex https://youtu.be/8Uib30agksI?si=nUnKgO9ZqAQ9V_bN anything similar? I dislike stuff like autechre when it's too experimental without melody
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>>130005733
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stL5QcSGc50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj_ImAwzoEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgg-I17Za2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgvAM18srr4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgvAM18srr4
Autechre has plenty of melody:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KN_lc-rJIo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5P8TzBEPR0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIXpl4438qM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGA68vYFytw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vWoxs47oiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nXcLBXR70M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYikLIMPHSs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXx3sUb8Dqk
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>>130005842
Duplicated Datach'i, was supposed to be this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5uBDUe4zM4
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>>130008260
nigger
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>>130012710
>no orbital
: (
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>>129940605
Autechre > Aphex Twin > Squarepusher > Bored of Canada
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>>130014454
ae > afx > vsnares > plaid > u-ziq > squarepusher > boc
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>>130021375
>irrelevant artist > irrelevant artist >irrelevant artist >irrelevant artist >irrelevant artist >irrelevant artist >irrelevant artist
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>>130021375
ENTER
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>>129978598
Planet Mu
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>>130042263
>>130037425
What the le fuck lol
wot r u doin spambot
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>>130044682
Cool beans
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z2-bF5k74ss
What artists is this copying? Its sounds like hyperPOP, but less noise.
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>>130050800
why are you asking this in the IDM general?
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>>130051495
Isn’t hyperPOP part of it? It’s glitchy and has breaks.
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>>130051682
also I do listen to IDM but a lot of the artists fell off. Warp records fell off in 2015 now it’s all black music.
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What do /mu/tants think of Lone? is he idm?
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>>130062031
Great stuff, would love to see him live but he barely leaves the UK, feels bad man.
Love: Emerald Fantasy Tracks, Galaxy Garden, Sing A New Sapling Into Existence (released under alias Kona Triangle)
Like: Reality Testing, Always Inside Your Head, Hyperphantasia
Indifferent: the rest
Genre-wise I think he sits in a nice middle ground where both IDM- and EDM fans will enjoy his work.
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Mark fell the only one of the old heads still making music that sounds like the future
Rest of us haven't caught up to the old geezer
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>>130071167
No owl sounds? :(
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How does /IDM/ feel about predawka?

https://youtu.be/wyOG7ZiVLLo
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>>130071198
>2026
>still listening to intelligent owl music
I sure hope you guys do this
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Any Shinra-heads ITT? I love this guy's stuff to no end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfssh18KuTI
>>129943029
I love Squarepusher but this sounded quite horrible to me. I can tolerate harsh Ultravisitor type stuff but this just sounded like overproduced pots and pans.
It's good that he tried it, I guess.
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>>129978598
Morr Music
Merck Records
Peter, I'm Flying!
Kaometry
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oop, Peter, I'm Flying! Records is super dead so not current but what little they put out is pure gold
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>>129941562
I also fell in love with this exact moment in the Barcelona set
fucking unreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jhVrKMtnqo&t=642s
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bomp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfATCEvWA38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQFtvECZZnE
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so much useless data
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>>130088876
throw a dart
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any IDM albums where most tracks have vocals? recently got done relistening to afx's entire discog and i forgot how much i enjoyed milk man
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>>130090373
I honestly don't think they exist, sorry.

It's not exactly IDM, but maybe check out Andy Stott if you haven't already. He makes some good left-field dance music with vocals.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EkmvXOQtmXk&list=PLl9Mxt2jYiNaFWgYubSQc0y5UpuVd_Fbn&index=2&pp=iAQB8AUB
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>>130090455
I'll take it, thx anon.
That pulsating beat from 2:23 and onward is strangely relaxing. Cool stuff.
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>FAVOURITE Aphex Twin
I Care Because You Do
>FAVOURITE Boards of Canada
The Campfire Headphase
>FAVOURITE Autechre
Untilted
>FAVOURITE Clark
Turning Dragon
>FAVOURITE Plaid
Reachy Prints
>FAVOURITE Squarepusher
Buzz Caner or Just a Souvenir
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Here's the most IDM-sounding song on my debut EP, Glowstick, if anyone's interested. It's called Curious:

https://soundcloud.com/talking-to-yourself/7-curious-7?in=talking-to-yourself/sets/glowstick&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

https://talkingtoyourself.bandcamp.com/track/curious

https://youtu.be/-Uo52LcIyQg?si=RhmrK-4P37-x1fGC
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>>130090619
Pretty good
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>>130090373
Check out DMX Krew. I don't know how much of their newer work has vocals.
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What's the big deal about Tim Hecker?
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>>129952475
Yeah, the pandemic striked that concept
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>>129941562
She's dancing intelligently
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this is pretty cool

https://catamitesouth.bandcamp.com/album/aa-sedna-probe-mix-7
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>>130012710
that Four Tet album is so fucking boring. If that was my introduction to IDM I probably would've stopped listening to the whole genre
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>>130103281
I do like Spirit Fingers from it

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8JqGhLnBCCc
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>>130106282
the fuck is that Australian flag
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>>130106293
it's the Austrian one kek
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Sorry I'm a newfag here, what should I check out if I like this? Orbital Brown was okay but too 'party music' and lighthearted.
And no I didn't particularly like his releases under Plastikman. Maybe I haven't developed the taste or something
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>>130115887
Global Communication – 76.14, But it's more ambient.
Datach'i - System, it's glitchier.
Trickfinger - Trickfinger I and II, bit faster paced.
Honorable mentions: the Analord series, Railway raver - Drop Acid Not Bombs.
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>>130116594
>Trickfinger - Trickfinger I and II, bit faster paced.
Why has it taken me this long to learn John Frusciante has made multiple acid albums?
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>>129978598
>Favorite current labels?
n5MD
https://youtu.be/TtTGtn7cGno
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>>129970291
>blone kone
I love you anon
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>>129940605
>idm
>it's always just edm music posted
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>>130124020
It’s a bot
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>>130124135
how do you know
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>>130125003
Because it happened last month: https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/129584348. There were at least two other threads being attacked by this bot as well. The only way it can be stopped is if the image limit is reached.

Note the filenames all being hexadecimals in the same format and the fact every post was posted at roughly the same second of the respective minute. Looks like whoever's behind the bot realised how obvious it was and has changed it slightly so it isn't posting exactly on the minute as often.
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Mental illness
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>>130125183
if they are posting music then who cares
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>>130136288
Probably people that want to talk with other sane humans.
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>>130136288
>spambot relentlessly bumps the thread with non-IDM charts and discourages any sort of discussion
>you don't care because "hurr music being posted durr"
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the automatic botspamming is condoned by mods/jannies in all but words.
it's been made abundantly clear in the last few months that this place is not worth caring or getting aggravated about.
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Been posting this in other thread, might as well repost here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ36_pCQY9k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_aln4bmtpA
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New Autechre soundboards hopefully this year.
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Post some good yt/sc mix/set with ambient breakbeat techno or idm? Pretty pwease :3
I especially enjoy mysterious/astral type stuff, with time crystal sounding loops.
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>>130145019
look up aleksi perela stuff. not much breakbeat, but plenty of little bells.
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>>130145019
>>130145104
don't know if this is what you're after, but only thing that comes to mind to me
https://youtu.be/A18qG13SpdI?si=I_sZ029bJQGXpIiI
https://youtu.be/i0QlcjFbr6E?si=0qbaSOYmZ0ewagWZ
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>>130145019
Monolake Live @ EGO is what you want.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QwYqpb0OpTs&list=RDQwYqpb0OpTs&start_radio=1&pp=ygUPTW9ub2xha2UgZGogc2V0oAcB

Enjoy
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>>130139861
I don't know why people are so excited. You only need to listen to 4-5 of them, all the rest are just slight remixes.
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>>130145587
Autechre have reached the status where they could release an album consisting of songs made on Garageband by a 10yo, and people would call it genius.
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>>130145620
It's some of the best electronic music ever, and definitely their best work. But they're live shows so there's not much variety compared to their albums so it's hard to be excited.
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>>130145587
Yeah 'AE_2022 -' equals about 4 new sets/albums so far, and the rest are remixes/variations.
But the new bundle should include 2 new sets, so you’re basically getting 2 new albums. That’s pretty good.
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>>130146060
I stopped paying attention to those, which ones are supposed to be new?
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>>130145121
Very nice, thanks!
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>>130145244
This is also seems promising, thank you
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>>130146353
None yet. But Sean said that hopefully new sets will be added later this year to AE_2002-
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>>130149326
You should probably kill yourself
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S14tIndT8pU
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>>129942845
Good shit, but that's psycho
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>>130005842
Love that Balloon track. Have it on vinyl, which I grabbed randomly from a stack at the store years ago, it sounds immaculate
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>>129952892
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBjvN98U7Ws
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>>129993740
I remember an interview with Aphex Twin where he said his kid was thrilled to find out that Notch paid a bunch for his dad's album since the kids was really into Minecraft.
Richard apparently though it was pretty cool that his kid had discovered that his dad wasn't just some weirdo musician, but someone with a bit of influence that way.
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just discovered Roel Funcken

really enjoying this guy. a little Autchre'y, a little more relaxed and heady

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM78et8FHzo&list=RDF2b5nYFHQOo&index=5
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>>130173878
>ooooorange
>yeah, that's right!
>sixty... ten...
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>>130165643
same here, really hitting well atm. Love that song you posted. He has a project dropping in 5 days with a collaborator (named Jeroen Bax). The single is quite good imo

F~M - Fose
https://old-technology.bandcamp.com/album/fose
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Anything like this?
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Mental illness
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anyone got stuff similar to this ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoL4y9Olq0g
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why is there a bot that's necrobumping the thread with charts? haven't posted on /mu/ in a few years so this is new to me
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>>130193991
They’ve been doing this for months now. Jannie’s won’t do anything about it and delete any threads calling it out. People say it’s the Emily Armstrong waifufag but I’m not sure
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>>130193991
been happening for the past two months, jannies won't do shit, I've tried making threads bringing it to their attention but they just delete my thread and give me a warning for off topic post

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these threads are also botted
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Notice how all the file names are random strings of numbers and letters, and that they are always posted in the first ten minutes of the hour. They used to all be posted on the dot but they changed it to make it less obvious
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>>129951734
a faggot made this for sure.
I'm talking like, pounds and pounds of dick up the ass. I'm not reading all this
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>>130194041
shame. I used to love this board. between the constant kpop/waifu threads and the chartbot spamming threads that are actually about music it's hard to do much here
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>>130194249
A few weeks ago there were literally a dozen Sabrina Carpenter threads being necrobumped for like a week, possibly by a completely different person



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