Bruckner editionhttps://youtu.be/NeYZI_tIp9EThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130308930
Richard Goode's Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkO6Zi66lJY&list=OLAK5uy_khz8jF98pUvoSpKfaAv8rRNmLkOf58B1U&index=86>It's interesting that the great Beethoven sonata cycles areseldom the ones by the big-name virtuosos. Horowitz never attempted one. Neither did Rubinstein. Ashkenazy recorded them all, but with only partial success. Richter never managed all 32 works at one time, and Gilels died before completing his cycle. The most successful complete recordings--Schnabel, Kempff, Arrau, and Backhaus--are all by pianists with a solidly intellectual mindset, however powerful their technique. Goode joins this select company, turning in performances of uncompromising integrity and musical strength. Of course, his reputation as a musician's musician precedes him: here is a player sensitive to Beethoven's every nuance, presenting the composers thoughts with exemplary clarity and taste. This is the Beethoven cycle for the '90s. --David Hurwitz
>In his analysis of the Études, André Boucourechliev emphasizes this point: "Chopin is contradicted at every moment. Looking back through history, one stops at Beethoven, and even more at Gesualdo, that prince of continuous discontinuity[37]...". According to him, Debussy's antecedents "are not Franck or Mussorgsky, but the anonymous composers of the Middle Ages, Monteverdi, and Gesualdo".[232]>Harry Halbreich adopts the same perspective, seeing in Debussy "a liberator, as only Claudio Monteverdi had been before him".[233] Marguerite Long confirms this link forged by Debussy between the Baroque aesthetic and the postmodern perspectives of the 20th century, based on her personal recollections:>Like Monteverdi, the musician employs the special alchemy invoked for the Études. It is now up to him to direct the beacons of intelligence and sensuality toward the mysteries of an art he adores.[234]Where were you when you realize Debussy's etudes and late period was the apotheosis and summation of the Western Tradition. It started with a Frenchman, and ended with a Frenchman
>>130351001trueFavorite recording of Debussy's piano music?
>>130350975Not gonna name names but a lot of the more famous Beethoven piano sonata cycles when I return to them, I feel "this is pretty good but not as good as I remember"; with Goode, I almost always feel it is better than I remember. That posted movement is divine. Equally impressive is he has an approach to Beethoven that is entirely his own. You can identify Goode's cycle within a couple notes.
>>130351021ugh, that's not even in order, I hate that post
It's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i4doRl2D30&list=OLAK5uy_k-YwV2D3BlDh87pzaI_0KURVbjfnpf0Hk&index=1
>>130351060s-sorry, i'll do better next time. for you.
>>130350905Disgust and not a little bit of pity. And immediate reporting to the authorities.
Best Stabat Mater of the entire classical period, second best of the entire 18th century.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWzU_MoL8s4
Today's secret word is...Fuguehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_JccQK3KKU
>>130351110Nice, didn't know he had one. Sounds divine so far. Always down for a Stabat Mater.
>>130351146>Gould
>>130351156it's pronounced 'Gold'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Ytqf2zXWc&list=OLAK5uy_meLBGOX9UBGW-6AvhpCRHgjMxuQ33L0Pc&index=26
>>130350939Listening to Haydn - The Creation. Next season BSO plays it one week and next week it's Creation by Osvaldo GOLIJOV/David Henry HWANG. Thinking if I should get tickets for Haydn only or should I try modern reimagining too? Anyone heard anything by them?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuIs7R2BpvQ>>130348825He wanted acid.
>>130351172
>>130351173>The focal point of this existential inquiry is Creation, a BSO-commissioned companion piece to Haydn’s exalted choral masterwork, The Creation. Written by longtime BSO collaborator and Tanglewood Music Center Fellow Osvaldo Golijov with lyricist David Henry Hwang, this momentous new work draws on jazz, Arabic, and Brazilian music as it explores Darwinian theory, randomness in the cosmos, and theories of the universe.sounds like a big yikesbut if you're into that kinda thing, sure, go for it
>>130351184credit where credit is due
>>130351172as in "fool's gold">>130351199credit to whom for what
>>130351207Distler lists Gould's GV as a reference recording.
>>130351211and?
>>130351199I think that's the Organ recordinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyrsEjA3m3g
>>130351214insert credit
>>130351220for what
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpXHoWc3lO4&list=OLAK5uy_kPHzngEU7u5thx60UqfcVe7_-fvNeppdw&index=21
>>130351155Glad you're enjoying it, anon! It's a same none of Boccherini's masses have survived, and his early oratorio Giuseppe Riconosciuto is a bit of an immature piece, heavily indebted to Bach and Handel. I would love for more vocal works from late-era Boccherini to surface
>>130351267>a sameshame*
i literally cannot get into any Mahler except DLVDE which i love.
>>130351606Have you tried his other song cycles?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15zoPkptiqchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9edKNmyiLBchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTqxfa1yi-Iand his cantatahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBkJ9VAnXFM
Waiting for Barbirolli's Mahler to finally click. Maybe I'm just too young.
>>130351656I find they work best when you become very familiar with the works, and then relish their idiosyncrasy. That's how it was for me. But in any case, there's so many interpretations of Mahler, you shouldn't feel obligated to like any particular one. If it's not for you, no worries, there are others!
best recording of Rach's Symphonic Dances?
>>130351817As with the other orchestral Rach works, there's lots of good ones. For a safe recommendation, go with Ashkenazyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UowHpVjJrt8or Ormandyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRib49Bc6Xc
>>130351817Kondrashin
>>130351817https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y57MhwKW4bA&list=OLAK5uy_mJrwPOqUDLqmQM4as4jasAta0BdjQgKNs&index=1
>>130351817whichever's shortest
opening line of a review,>There are few recordings of opera that come close to perfection, this isn't one of them but it is still great and important.lol okay
Spacecrafthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FZnbJHO9C0&list=RD4FZnbJHO9C0&start_radio=1
>>130352143lemme try>There are few recordings of classical piano music which touch that nerve at the bottom of your spine, the area reserved for the most beautiful and sublime of all art. This isn't one of them but it's still pretty good.
Opinions? I like his music way more than Adams or Glass, and his music doesn't reek of pretentious that seems to permeate many of Adams work, its very lighthearted and joyful like Chabrier, Stravinsky or Ravel before WW1.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO1d_j4A12E&list=RDuO1d_j4A12E&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq-0JasXv3c&list=RDBq-0JasXv3c&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHbBl6tZSoQ&list=RDUHbBl6tZSoQ&start_radio=1
Glenn Gould talks about Stravinsky, Schoenberg, and Soviet musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW3nyib0Z8wI don't really know what he means the Rite of Spring not being a good jest
if Rachmaninoff was so good, why didn't he compose more than two piano sonatas?
Brucknerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk8nQs6mKX0&list=OLAK5uy_mkoMZPPPFKvBqAk3-sKeEcFQjy8UODcBM&index=1
>>130351110for the love of God check this recording out
brahms
>>130353231I thought Stabat Maters were for the love of the Virgin Mary? :p
>>130354550Sucks
>>130355148
Why are Russian compositions mostly melancholic and give off that depressed feeling like getting the blues and composing on the edge of a building and jumping right after finishing with it? Rachmaninov, Scriabin, Glazunov, Tchaikovsky (although not as much as the above ones), Mussorgsky and fucking Shostakovich. I mean...I can understand Shostakovich and the oppressive system that he worked in, even the joyous parts of his works feel painful but also have a certain beauty.
>>130355753Have you ever been in Russia?
>>130355807I'm eastern yuropoor, it's the same shit basically.
>>130355833In that case I'm confused why you have this question in the first place. You can listen to Stravinsky who doesn't give a fuck most of the time, but most Russian compositions would be either tragic, melancholic, or plain depressed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7BPlOirPig
>>130355942You're saying that being poor in shitty weather makes them so depressed and melancholic? Rachmaninov's 3rd piano concerto is basically >tfw no gf :( to my ears. I thought there's more than that.
>>130355942Funny you post Rimsky-Korsakov since I'd hardly describe Scheherazade that way. Had a real knack for gossamer fairy music.
>>130355753Pretty much >>130355807No one feels inspired and heroic in Russia. That's why Tchaikovsky 6 is Pathetique and not Heroique
>>130356068Kek
hiss Meistersinger morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YShqfrzSNQw&list=OLAK5uy_kAH_539Qc180nFHx8dlrW4MV7-2zduz5k&index=1great review of ithttps://www.wagnerdiscography.com/reviews/mei/mei43furtwangler.htm
>>130355753It's a grim place. That said I feel like there's quite a lot of happy even jaunty Russian pieces and plenty of heroic sounding pieces. I'm not really sure I agree with that-I'd grant you Shostakovich, even Shostakovich has the happiest sounding fugue in the world.
>>130356150>5 hour Meistersingerjesus Furtwangler... I think Knappertsbusch has one just as long too.
now playingWładysław Szpilman: Mazurekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju8dQ2GIwrc&list=OLAK5uy_kRJUwSUA851EGa-56G4SkONpC2p-Hm1CA&index=2start of Władysław Szpilman: Suite "The Life of the Machines"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkH7h094EG0&list=OLAK5uy_kRJUwSUA851EGa-56G4SkONpC2p-Hm1CA&index=3start of Shostakovich: Piano Sonata No. 1, Op. 12https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsYprmBDWjE&list=OLAK5uy_kRJUwSUA851EGa-56G4SkONpC2p-Hm1CA&index=6start of Mieczyslaw Weinberg: Piano Sonata No. 4 in B Minor, Op. 56https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kugLI6j5j0&list=OLAK5uy_kRJUwSUA851EGa-56G4SkONpC2p-Hm1CA&index=12start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 8 in B-Flat Major, Op. 84https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxXnio8jnGQ&list=OLAK5uy_kRJUwSUA851EGa-56G4SkONpC2p-Hm1CA&index=15>Pianist Yulianna Avdeeva makes her Pentatone debut with Resilience, presenting music by Szpilman, Shostakovich, Weinberg and Prokofiev, composers who - each in their own way - maintained themselves in times of great instability. The focal point of this album is Wladyslaw Szpilman, a Polish Jew who survived World War II thanks to the power of his music, and is widely known as the title hero of Roman Polanski's award-winning film The Pianist. Incited by the unique opportunity to play on Szpilman's house piano, this recording project helped Avdeeva to cope with the challenges of our current times, and it may offer fortitude and consolation to listeners as well. A pianist of fiery temperament and virtuosity, Yulianna Avdeeva plays with power, conviction, and sensibility, having won over audiences all over the world.A well-designed tracklist: half of it by lesser-known composers (Szpilman, Weinberg), a neglected piece by a famous composer (Shostakovich's first piano sonata [most don't even know he has two piano sonatas!]), and then closing with Prokofiev's masterpiece, his 8th Piano Sonata, one of the summits of 20th century solo piano music. All performed by a wonderful pianist. Check it out!
>>130355978Rach's 2 piano concerto is basically-sitting alone by the telephone thinking of all the friends you've known but when you dial the telephone nobodies home
>>130355753I resonate with the melancholy of Russia, much more so than any other expression by any other tradition. Rachmaninoff understands the heart, that can't be said of most composers, even the great ones lack that quality.
Any double nass classical or is it too bassy?
>>130356561What?
Thanks for ruining this poem Stravinsky https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgBjc5onfPk&list=RDhgBjc5onfPk&start_radio=1
>>130356561Schubert's piano quintet (piano + string quartet) uses a double bass instead of a 2nd violin and it's one of my favorite pieces
>>130356867The pianist of the 'trout' quintet has cloned himself and got the clone to turn the pages for him
Mahlerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eocmoJlzcMI&list=OLAK5uy_n9KOb4Vpd_el74jx8De5WGwTa5chwfonU
What organ composer is closest to Debussy?
>>130351146Based ngl.
>>130357447Messiaen. Debussy was probably the single biggest influence on him. Literally got his 'modes of limited transposition' partially from Debussy.
Quintessential Deutsche Grammophon vinyls everyone has to own?
>>130358129None.
>>130356968kek
>>130358129All of them-I can't choose
Best genre: Symphony.Worst genre: Opera.Simple as.
>>130359250Correct when it comes to Beethoven.
>>130353231Isn't that the 1801 revision for three voices + organ though? I much prefer the original
>>130352752because he wasn't
>>130353231>>130359282Ope, nevermind, it appears to be the original version. I'll give it a spin!
>>130359266>Correct when it comes to the genres.FTFY.
>>130357789better performer/recording
>>130351656They're all kind of shit, his only succesful Mahler recording is the 5th and the song cycles with Janet Baker (which are still subpar in their conducting). His style wasn't good for Mahler at all, rather lumbering and not in a way that lets you focus on things such as orchestral timbre or a unique sense of rhythm or interesting balances, since he was not a great orchestral trainer and tended to get bad results from the orchestra. Just listen to his 9th which has the Berlin Phil at the helm and it's very sloppily played. Mahler can survive sloppy playing if the interpretation is interesting, but his isn't.
best Mahler Symphony to start with?
>>1303594601 through 9
>>130359460The third (Haitink conducting).
>>1303594604 is the most approachable. Try Fischer's recording.
>>130359460Mahler newbie listening order by accessability (roughly, my take)5 > 2 > 1 > 4 > 6 > 3 > 8 > 9 > 7Ranking of symphonies9 > 6 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 7 > 8 > 2 > 1
>>130359460Abbado 5
>>130355753it was made by people who could not get laid for people who could not get laid
The definitive Art of Fugue, interpretation-wise (because I still prefer orchestral sonority).If you have to pick one to take on an island with you, this is the only one you must pick, not anything else.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwfQIfB3r8s&list=OLAK5uy_nxAcOZXHrTktsli-zpO-MfnkNGgYSJm88&index=1
>>130359601>conjectural en--dropped
>>130359601you sound arrogant so I won't check it out
>>130359612You can literally skip that track, not that a halfwit dilettante would know.>>130359617Good.
>>130359629You can literally kill yourself today, what with being a pointless, lowbrow pseud who has shit taste and shittier opinions
>>130359642Don't talk so badly about yourself, anon
>>130359650Nonsensical reply
>>130359666Okay Satan.
>>130359669Schizophrenic reply
>>130359460Just listen to them chronologically
xDD
>>130359744>red meatkys. /classical/ is strictly striving towards veganism and never glorifies meat consumption.
>>130359829you're the greatest faggot to ever shit out a retarded opinion in this general's history and I sincerely hope you die a painful, embarrassing death today
in the mood for more hiss Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MN0awueGbQ&list=OLAK5uy_lc4tBmw9CRUUx2fuNC42s8TLThpnilrrE&index=1
>>130359829shut the fuck up I add onto the other Anon's opinion with hoping that you get raped
So why do old live recordings sound the way they do, with the inferior sound quality? Not enough mics? The mics and recording equipment are too low quality? What's the hiss from? etc
>>130360197are the concepts of time and technology completely alien to you>lmao why are daguerrotypes so blurry and why's there no color lol
>>130359840>>130360122Meat-consuming slaves are running their mouths again in my general?
>>130360222kill yourself
>>130360219lolI meant that it continued past the time when studio recordings began to sound really good. So the equipment was there. I'm gonna go with they just didn't wire the live concert with enough mics and wires and equipment, that most of what we're hearing from many older live recordings is just from a single mic from overhead or whatever to catch a broad sound, so that's why things sound the way they do. So it's a budget thing, ultimately.
Thoughts on picrel book?
>>130360245>lol I actually already had an answer to my questionwhy bother us with it then
>>130360249utter trash; you'll love it
>>130360245number of mics has nothing to do with sound quality, Mercury's recordings were famous for their minimal use of miking and their recordings still sound better than most today
>>130360300Then? Poor placement of the mics?
>>130360362voodoo magic
>>130360374:Othe hiss demon
>>130360222if it is not a link to your livestreamed suicide, then don't reply to anyone
>>130360237>>130360533Meat consumer is mad.
>>130360542kill yourself
>>130353231>>130359406It's taking me so long to find a working download, it better blow my fucking mind
The entire domain of classical music has ceased to exist for me. There is only Wagner's Ring, over and over again. I am either in heaven or hell, and I am not sure which.https://files.catbox.moe/6ph2sy.m4a
>>130360808ok good luck with your upcoming psychiatric reevaluation anon
>>130360808that is the fate you chose by not following rule 1.
>>130360619just fucking stream it off youtube man
>>130361385>just settle for an inferior experience
>>130360362not really, sometimes the equipment just wasn't good or they didn't have good tape amount of hiss is normally from the medium it was recorded on, which could vary in quality
>>130360808Maybe it's because I'm tonedeaf but the singing in that sounds plenty good to me. Perhaps not as good as the old greats but still enjoyable. Some things change with time. That's simply how modern opera singing sounds now. Same with how many Americans used to speak with some sort of Atlantic accent back in the day that eventually got phased out.
>>130360197>>130360245>>130360362It's all a CIA psyop to annoy and irk you, specifically, unto madness
>>130350975>It's interesting that the great Beethoven sonata cycles areseldom the ones by the big-name virtuosos. Horowitz never attempted one. Neither did Rubinstein.Maybe because Wilhelm Kempff totally owns the 32 sonatas, with absolutely sublime interpretations.
>>130362676Twice over!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89g6PbWpUbo&list=OLAK5uy_lS4atw9ssnghLeZxKW2qL_I_PsU_Mbqc0&index=40
>>130362572If you're actually tone deaf you really shouldn't be sharing opinions on singing because you fundamentally won't be able to comprehend why modern singing is so shit
>>130362703Listen to the excerpt link and tell me what you think.
