Ginastera editionhttps://youtu.be/S3CJk32SOMUThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130975394
Max Regerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtVxEuRwkos&list=OLAK5uy_lAWFKUfNwncDHP_LMklysiSwyTdS3yIY8&index=1>Max Reger wrote, “my Piano Concerto is going to be misunderstood for years. The musical language is too austere and too serious; it is, so to speak, a pendant to Brahms’ D minor piano concerto.”
Beethoven's Appassionata is my favorite Chamber Work :)
every time I look at this album cover, I imagine he's leaning over to setup and then rail a line of coke
>>131017835it's not chamber music you fucking retard.
Respectively, Beethoven's Appassionata is my favorite Chamber Work
>>131017870you have no idea what you’re talking aboutsolo instrument music is literally chamber music. one person in a room = chamber. the “chamber” part is the room, it has nothing to do with the amount of instruments or performers, midwit. Appassionata is peak chamber music. cope.
>>131017870I regret to inform you that you just fell for rage bait.
https://youtu.be/XBIe7stRUyU?si=7gp9JKMlLEwv-_wuthoughts?
>>131017835how about instead of ragebaiting and memeing, you spend time listening to Beethoven piano sonata cycles that aren't just Schnabel?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y85Zve2nThQ&list=OLAK5uy_khz8jF98pUvoSpKfaAv8rRNmLkOf58B1U&index=79hell. yes.
>>131017912I enjoyed it!
>>131017912Fun little oriental adventure, though I'm not sure that it would hold up to multiple listens.
>>131017961have you tried Claude Frank's cycle?https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdY1CsVLZQ3VQXu5k0MyB6UyNmavzoXy2&si=SFLwL20OB-ZxpG1j
>>131018130I listened to half before I got distracted and wanted to try another, and then forgot to return to it. I quite liked it! Had a lot of warmth in tone, which I really like. I should finish listening to it.
now playingstart of Holmboe: String Quartet No. 1, Op. 46https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNuFUEsrkes&list=OLAK5uy_kfKX0q6Kcc-Og1BuCvRHXvgrw5U9OHAsI&index=2start of Holmboe: String Quartet No. 3, Op. 49https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S5AfS2V3yo&list=OLAK5uy_kfKX0q6Kcc-Og1BuCvRHXvgrw5U9OHAsI&index=5start of Holmboe: String Quartet No. 4, Op. 63https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kivvNBOFU7E&list=OLAK5uy_kfKX0q6Kcc-Og1BuCvRHXvgrw5U9OHAsI&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kfKX0q6Kcc-Og1BuCvRHXvgrw5U9OHAsI
String quartets might be where the biggest gap exists between the top-tier of composers and the rest. As you go down the tiers of lesser-known composers, the works quickly begin to reach "not worth listening more than once" levels. In my opinion, at least.
>>131017878>solo instrument music is literally chamber music. one person in a room = chamber. the “chamber” part is the room, it has nothing to do with the amount of instruments or performers, midwit.This but unironically (but only for Baroque music, specifically Bach).
>>131017878>>131018743Incorrect.
>>131017912The WORST Piano Concerto Ever Written (by Anyone)
>>131016222>Reminder that all 32 of Beethoven's piano sonatas are masterpiecesYou can't possibly believe that, anon. Nos. 19 and 20 are obviously very weak and No. 16 is just shit.
>>131018820Well, some masterpieces are more masterful than others, of course.
technically you could say an orchestra is just a huge chamber ensemble.
best Bartok String Quartet cycle?
>>131018980only if a concert hall is just a very big chamber, which it is
Every music ever is chamber. Even pop music. If it's played live outside, then you can think of the solad system as our little chamber, or universe if you will
>Chamber Music
>>131019023Try Takacs for a more authentic, Hungarian, coarse approach, and try Alban Berg for a more continental, polished, warm approach. Then explore from there if you're interested. But yeah one of those two will satisfy plenty.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmDH2dpi6Sk&list=OLAK5uy_mHui3GExBFiMaBFtnNGeQqycpaUl41zeY&index=4
>>131019078>Takacsthe Hungaroton or Decca cycle?
>>131019084https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY_OAfN0Y7k&list=OLAK5uy_lg40r2T5rvaKxt9VvU52iKU7Gx5e0pLIE&index=5
okay but duo/4-hand piano music Chamber music?
>>131019103>okay but duo/4-hand piano music Chamber music?sorry, meant "but *IS* duo/4-hand piano music...."
nerds
>>131019103everything is chamber music, except music that is composed for outdoor performance (music for wind bands)
>>131019300and in the same sense nothing is chamber music when you really think about it...
Weinberghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqBzsUDLqB8
>you DO have every note of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier, Goldberg Variations, Art of Fugue, the six Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin, and all six Cello Suites memorized, right, anon?? ANON????https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxMCtm8mSXw
>you CAN sing the bass parts of Bach's St. Matthew Passion, St. John Passion, Mass in B Minor, and Cantatas BWV 56 and 82 from memory, right, anon? ANON????https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBnobR2SRg
>>131019571>>131019616No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6Wgq6rw_LsOh my god is this slow. How was he not falling asleep at the conductor stand?
>>131019990Klemperer is worst of the best conductors. He was an associate of Mahler, yet most of his recordings blow compared to Walter, let alone Mengelberg or any other old schoolers. Always horrible tempi (except Mahler 2), vertical, boring conducting.
>>131019990>>131020241Low attention spans
>>131020853Dogshit taste.
>>131020853I mean, Klemperer's issue isn't that he's slow. It's that he's slow and metronomic. He wasn't always that way, though, it was mostly something that got worse and worse as he got older and especially after his injury.
Mahler 2I just pretend moment 4 and 5 don't exist.
>>131021451Well, you got a point. Choral movements tend to be shit, even though Mahler's is clearly the best.
so my canon of iconic classical recordings includes:schnabel's beethovengieseking's debussykarajan's 62 beethovenglenn gould's bachand that's it aside from pavarotti and caruso.
>>131021490>gieseking's debussyFine>karajan's 62 beethovenTerrible>glenn gould's bachAbsolute iredeemable garbage.
>>131021534iconic nevertheless
>>131021490Gould/Bernstein 1st Brahms Concerto
>>131021490Michelangeli's Debussy seems more iconic to me than Gieseking's. But it's close.
>tfw three beethoven piano sonata cycles I wanna listen to at the same timefug, too much good music!
>>131021490Yo-Yo Ma's Bach
>>131022103And there's really one one worth listening to. You know his name, begins with S ends with L.
Give me your best Schubert 9thhttps://youtu.be/AEedfDHVbNI?is=d7-cVALWDK4WJVvh
>>131022124https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIO843euK4g&list=OLAK5uy_nCpdW-hgMn9NAZ_qcTibYwBQ3QLGb9MP4&index=1
>>131022123It actually ends with a Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpvPUCF7Ukc&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=100
>>131022158Stop being hissphobic.
due to my autism... im having a hard time getting into classical music. because there are so many recordings of the music i end up having a hard picking which one to hear and end up downloading nothing, i wish there was just one definitive recording (why didnt beethoven just hop in the stu jimself???). either i should just randomly pick one and stop thinking about it or go full sperg mode and compare every version, is it really that important choosing?
>>131022410Just post the pieces you want to listen to here and we will tell you what the definitive recordings are.
>>131022410There seems to be some kind of misconception around people getting into classical that listening to any recording that isn't the best is somehow a waste of time. Nothing wrong with enjoying 7s, 8s, and 9s until you eventually find your 10, and even then, you keep multiple around in your regular rotation.
>>131022410It is important once you get into a piece but as long as you don't start with an absolutely garbage performance you'll probably be okay. Most of most visible recording choices you'll get looking for a piece in the standard repertory will be at minimum good even if later you come back to them and find they don't speak as well for the piece as you first believed.
>>131022463*The most
>>131022410Recordings really do not matter, just pick any and listen.
>>131022427 It was Beethoven's moonlight sonata (theres 32 individual sonatas?) and 9th symphony>>131022430>>131022463>>131022587alrighty anons appreciate it, ill try not to think about it too much.
>>131022685>9th SymphonyFerenc Fricsayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zePFJjl_6s>Moonlight SonataIvan Moravechttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvg_yTrWNGs&list=PLxGsl7U2VCdC7pwZ9I2-0jTYSfwkGA564&index=4
>>131022685The 'right recording' only matters insomuch as if you're listening to an acclaimed work and you find the music isn't doing it for you, then try a different recording. The abundance of recordings shouldn't be a detriment, a source of anxiety, but rather a source of relief in options. You never have to force yourself to like a performance of a piece interpreted in a way you don't like. Too slow? Too fast? Too thin? Too lush? Soulless? Overly sentimental? Dry? Indulgent? No problem, just try another!>(theres 32 individual sonatas?)yes> Beethoven's moonlight sonatalots of great ones. a good starter set is Brendelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVe0uV9AQsA&list=OLAK5uy_lx60QvIaU6orQRORgzptS0AGzjg5whbDE&index=54like I said, if you don't like that performance, well, ask for another option, there's plenty!>9th symphonyI'mma recommend Karajan/Berlin Philharmonic (1963)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZWAB5ga9U8&list=OLAK5uy_nhN2Yat-dAC08OfZn3tg16DTkXr__iEcE&index=34hope you enjoy!(in case it wasn't obvious, I'm linking to the first movement as part of a playlist, which should autoplay to the rest of the movements of the piece)
>>131022685Furtwangler for 9th, Hofmann for the moonlight, if you want "definitive" recordings, it doesn't get more definitive than that.
>>131021451>>131021477Cant imagine hating Im Tempo Des Scherzos
>>131022764Can't we save the hiss for when an anon is more acclimated and comfortable with classical music? c'mon...
>>131021490>gieseking's debussyBased.
How do you pronounce Gieseking anyhow? If I tried right now, I'd probably go with... Geese-sei-king.
>>131022410Rarely does a recording ruin a piece. Unless you're that one sperg who hates Szell
>>131022795https://voca.ro/1ihNgstyTLkB
>>131022806Hey that's pretty much how I imagined! Much appreciated :)
>>131022410Listen to Szell for everything.
>mfw listening to HIP Purcell, and Savall interpretations of Lully and PurcellBaroque music truly is the sex-havers choice and the most sex-piled music out there. Every time I hear a female operatic singers sing without vibrato, my penis starts dripping
>>131022862*Lully and Monteverdi
>>131022862There's something deliciously ironic that you had to use an album cover of a Barenboim Beethoven performance in order to get the appropriate feel across. Seems baroque isn't so erotic after all!
Mahler doesn't write symphonies, he writes setlists of symphonic poems which he doesnt reveal the program for.
>>1310228201/10 ragebait, made me reply.
What are some good japanese conductors?
>>131023215Seiji Ozawathe guy who leads the Japanese Bach Consortium or whatever it's called
>>131023215weebs are going to just list off their favorite videogame composers
>>131023273I really do want a conductor who brings a distinctly japanese interpretation>what does that sound likeI dont know
>>131023278Very animey, maybe fast, high-pitched and smooth.
>>131023215https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljXzJ2QmjDI&list=OLAK5uy_kG931zgttpQ4-zgEnZqYjUuSngBC56HAE&index=1Kazushi Ono
>Rachmaniana is a late-Romantic musical tribute to Sergei Rachmaninoff. Two distinct piano and orchestral suites bear this name: one composed by virtuoso pianist Daniil Trifonov and another orchestral suite composed by Mikhail Pletnev. :OPletnevhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZgsDfZ9WtI&list=OLAK5uy_kEcSbuQ6FyzM-ji9a6wnAcDbZJOwSoOVc&index=5Trifonovhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tgjX8RpiMMThe Pletnev one actually only came out recently this summer. Both sound pretty damn good, for sure worthwhile for Rachmaninoff fans.@RachAnon
Recently playedLa Monte Young's Well-Tuned Piano. Holy shit, never realized what music was capable of being until listening to this. Something this long still managing to transfix me is insane. Really contains the entire universe and existence within this piece.https://youtu.be/up_RtM69unAWeber: Clarinet Concertos perf. Martin Frösthttps://youtu.be/pnE1nMRqT7sBára Gísladóttir: Orchestral Works perf. Iceland Symphony Orchestra Contemporary composer who won Ernst von Siemens composer prize. Long sustained sections and overall rather emotive interesting stuff.https://youtu.be/mEviDM6839ECurrentWeber's Oberon courtesy of Beethovian. Found a production with the original English libretto conducted by Ozawa Seiji. Not the best quality recording but very good production. https://youtu.be/ImXedOZXqhw
>>131023546the Gísladóttir piece and stuff like that isn't really for me but always nice to be aware it exists and try it from time-to-time. the Weber stuff is, of course, very nice. thank you.
dancing in my room rn to rach's rhapsody on a theme of paganini (pronounced 'panini')https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvKTPDg0IW0pic: me<-------
>>131023819Wtf is that real?
>>131023865It's how your cat behaves once you leave the room.
speaking of which, this is the definitive recording of these Rachmaninoff Variations pieces, right? We're all in agreement?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni70oNgaOI0&list=OLAK5uy_lbHxZ16c435h8bHnGrKLxW3Yd67bNKZpw&index=19I hope someday Trifonov records a straight-up set of the Preludes and Etudes-Tableaux.
>>131023516Always loved the theme that starts around 2:41. A shame it never comes back.
I used to hate the 51 Gouldbergs. Now it's my favorite, straight to the point. >Inb4 zoom zoom Nah
>>131024694>gouldbeing a zoomer would be better
>>131023731Weber really is overlooked sometimes I feel. Der Freischütz has been dominating the inside of my head for awhile. Starting to displace Wagner in that department even. But yeah sometimes I don't know whether I passionately enjoy contemporary classical in the same way as other music, but perhaps that's not the point of said music to begin with. I'll certainly keep listening.
>>131022802> Rarely does a recording ruin a piece. But sometimes it does. Compare Stravinsky Violin Concerto by Kopatchinskaja https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn6K53W_Nu to Hahn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od5nww_9TUw
>>131023920>this is the definitive recording of these Rachmaninoff Variations pieces, right?No. That would be Rachmaninoff's own. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5s5dxmAOgo
> >>131025115Correct link for Kopatchinskaja: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn6K53W_Nu0
>Schubert's last piano sonata is numbered 21>check list of them, about half are incomplete but whatever>can only count 20 sonatas no matter how many times I trywhere the fuck is the extra sonata coming from?
>>131025472https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_Sonata_in_C_major,_D_613_(Schubert)this is probably the issueThe Decca Schiff set has them all otherwise.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RicDfdQd_rc&list=OLAK5uy_nsltih8wVLi9KNjAYQOcScithe3hn098s&index=12
>>131023920>>131025324yes and for modern recordings nothing beats Hough/Litton
reposting/resharing the new Bolet boxset containing some unearthed recitalsSchumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYteLLVnKpE&list=OLAK5uy_mYwjqY9k_e_jZPSsScF_BfSYpevg3z_Vs&index=5Liszt-Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDkxentN6ug&list=OLAK5uy_mYwjqY9k_e_jZPSsScF_BfSYpevg3z_Vs&index=8Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgGhz8ER_3k&list=OLAK5uy_mYwjqY9k_e_jZPSsScF_BfSYpevg3z_Vs&index=14https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hisSlX7D44&list=OLAK5uy_mYwjqY9k_e_jZPSsScF_BfSYpevg3z_Vs&index=26Grieghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68EgwNjA0Nc&list=OLAK5uy_mYwjqY9k_e_jZPSsScF_BfSYpevg3z_Vs&index=19Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayl-o-P_ORU&list=OLAK5uy_mYwjqY9k_e_jZPSsScF_BfSYpevg3z_Vs&index=20Mendelssohnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfU_0vAA47E&list=OLAK5uy_mYwjqY9k_e_jZPSsScF_BfSYpevg3z_Vs&index=1Gotta say, I don't remember knowing about this Grieg Ballade before. Should be good! Bolet always is.
>>131022124https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nU1BSdGKK8&list=OLAK5uy_lcHG-D8ifsJk33UekVXs7CSuAjfpCWBrI&index=3
There was a time when I first got into classical I thought Schubert 9 was greater than Beethoven 9.Then I grew up.
classical modernist be like:lemme make a lush, easy-on-the-ears symphonyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw5ef67CKacthen for my string quartet let's go in the diametrically opposite direction: ugly and harsh on the ears with no discernable melodyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSe8zxy2i78
>>131022892They used that album cover cause it was probably the only way to sell anything with Barenboim's name on it?
Man, this is amazinghttps://youtu.be/NijYtozUHaw?si=8ObZpjsD81CN__sqDoes anyone know of any other works like this one? That mix of nostalgia and despair, I don't know. It reminds me a little of Poulenc
>>131027105>That mix of nostalgia and despair,His Clarinet Sonatas give me a similar feeling.
>>131026457Pretty sure you used that joke last time the album cover was posted. It's p. decent tho
Taneyevhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_vrShv4-BA
>3 hours of Grieg's complete Lyric PiecesIt's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7cu1GWZ0ls&list=OLAK5uy_kxpIf4IzD8JMHqldDT7IdM0VF43J6rcjw&index=1
Max REEEE-Grrrrrr
gonna go through Michael Sanderling's Shostakovich cycle. I've heard a lot of the performances contain rather original interpretations. We shall see! I've never heard any recording by this conductor before. I think the only tangential experience I've had is getting recommended that Hurwitz video with the title calling Michael Sanderling's Brahms' cycle boring or something. Anyway,1sthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSDL4G_3uYI&list=OLAK5uy_kGSgkwbxLgCrQYl2auQNO1nqeeadiAbLc&index=22ndhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWYZncDeZNQ&list=OLAK5uy_kGSgkwbxLgCrQYl2auQNO1nqeeadiAbLc&index=63rdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPLWXk7UCxs&list=OLAK5uy_kGSgkwbxLgCrQYl2auQNO1nqeeadiAbLc&index=8
I like metronomic conductors
>>131029266You are a pop music fag.
>>131029587no I only listen to classical
>>131029737Doesn't matter.
looking like a couple of well-behaved kids
have you guys ever heard of jeff waynes music, like "ulaahh" goes like that, Wotw music band smth.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9vZQU21h8ALovely performance, makes me wish Mravinsky did a full cycle in stereo
best recording of brandenburg concertos with piano?
>>131030751Munch
Was continuo as common as HIPsters make it out to be? I always feel like continuo muddies the bass parts and ruins the counterpoint. Basically every piece is better without continuo
>>131030622Mravinsky has such a particular style I like that I cant put my finger on, are there any other conductors like him?
>>131030751Ignore the imbecile that replied before, it is objectively, indubitably, c e r t a i n l y, Cortot. There is no other answer. There can BE no other answer because Cortot is the only great pianist/conductor to record this piece to my knowledge.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNmf7_ixqQIDon't trust me, trust Brendel.Alfred Brendel on Cortot playing the cadence of the Bach 5th Brandenburg Concerto: "About the best piano playing I have ever heard!"Above all, listen and trust your ears. There's no better recording of this piece.
>>131031884>quotes Brendel>yet if recommended a Brendel recording, would insult him as wellcurious!
Brahms 3 morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zyYGlDE0QM&list=OLAK5uy_nmYlo8ruQ1SQuALgo9IqPBMmaftlxnw24&index=9
now playingstart of Prokofiev: Violin Sonata No. 1 in F Minor, Op. 80https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC2gKUa9S9A&list=OLAK5uy_muJYwVQ4J7hs3-SfdRyu_wjQrjonssEZw&index=2start of Shostakovich: Violin Sonata in G Major, Op. 134https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPvYo6gV1wg&list=OLAK5uy_muJYwVQ4J7hs3-SfdRyu_wjQrjonssEZw&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_muJYwVQ4J7hs3-SfdRyu_wjQrjonssEZwI love these pieces so much, as well as Prokofiev's second violin sonata. There's nothing else in the entire violin sonata repertoire that sounds like them either. Sure, plenty of other brooding, macabre, modernist pieces, but with the holdover benefit of beauty and accessible emotional content from the romantic era? That's what sets these violin sonatas (and again, Prokofiev's second) apart. Szymanowski's violin pieces perhaps come closest.
I don't get why Brahms 1 gets so much hate here. Yeah it's not a Great symphony with a capital G like the other three but it's still pretty damn good. In high art, oftentimes works that aren't first-rate 10/10s get too much hate. They can't all be masterpieces, and very good is still very much worthwhile.I suppose if you're of the type who only listens to an hour of classical a week and you have to be extra choosy, of which I'm sure exists many people with families and busy careers, then sure, you can feel free to overlook Brahms 1.
>>131032373Kek. Fair.I dishonestly appeal to his authority, yet I also realize he's not on the same level as the 19th century golden-age masters.
now playingstart of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 7 in F Major, Op. 59 No. 1 "Rasumovsky Quartet No. 1"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8jnW6wCkQg&list=OLAK5uy_lAGOYAu2Cv-QbjP4Gf-e2Pl_jx6HzjADo&index=26start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 8 in E Major, Op. 59 No. 2 "Rasumovsky Quartet No. 2"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY279slw5TU&list=OLAK5uy_lAGOYAu2Cv-QbjP4Gf-e2Pl_jx6HzjADo&index=31start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 9 in C Major, Op. 59 No. 3 "Rasumovsky Quartet No. 3"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aka-zmhGYVQ&list=OLAK5uy_lAGOYAu2Cv-QbjP4Gf-e2Pl_jx6HzjADo&index=33https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lAGOYAu2Cv-QbjP4Gf-e2Pl_jx6HzjADoLoving this cycle so far, it's quickly becoming one of my handful of favorite sets (alongside Alban Berg Q, Alexander Q, Q Italiano, and Q Ebene). Highly recommended.After I finish this one, I might do a deep dive and revisit of many old cycles, eg Vegh, Budapest, Busch, Juilliard. Almost all of the last dozen or so sets I've listened to have been modern sets, with over half coming out since 2010, since I wanted to get a feel for how musicians today and new releases performed it. Should be fun to return to the old masters!
https://youtu.be/CUGMZlvrR4c
https://youtu.be/7qHZkkgowdY
goddamn, Schumann's Manfred overture is so fantastic.hisshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55L6qVveVqk&list=OLAK5uy_l6myAzTGMv_rz61XVgWlm0nsjTORzCdCQ&index=8modernhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5wp5ccaako&list=OLAK5uy_nJk2gqP1hOkG5FTD2tUB2QqFjvw74Vg74&index=19newerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvGJJA1G1ls&list=OLAK5uy_kD5jc7vKk6maUFDWc5K5JrlteBQ5_2i0g&index=1
Jascha Heifetz's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeGPD-n9iJw&list=OLAK5uy_my799Fdea9ZvA-VswikEEdkYB0Fb2co60&index=1
lol
My pet peeve about shittube comments is that everyone is unironically trying to out-jerk each other like it's some sort of competition. Like if someone praises Bach but forgets to mention that he is a god or something, someone will eventually complain. Most often this happens when someone compares a piece by composer X to a piece by composer Y, even if they're praising not criticizing the composer and their thoughts are fleshed out, someone ought to correct them "Nope, Y has nothing to do with X at all. Y is its own thing entirely."Just encountered another such pathetic example.Not sure why I even bother checking them out, I guess a rare nice comment is worth all this cringefest.
give me your favorite trombone solo in a larger piece
>>131034810>PicVirgin Cortot fan vs Chad Yuja fan
>>131034853Which one of them do you think is a Wang fan in that picture?
Who's your favorite /classical/ violinist? For me its Hillaryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXDk1CoIRuY
>>131035040Heifetz
have you listened to all of haydn's 126 baryton trios today?
>>131035040milstein, oistrakh
>>131034810you're complaining about this as if you're not browsing 4chan. Even on /classical/ any opinion expressed gets met with some contrarian reply. Why listen to this piano sonata when X composer is the real master at that form, etc. etc.
>>131035040Hadelich https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOoEVrT8yDE&list=OLAK5uy_lSb2sNQnnnNoSgPhyNPN89o0IF5p9H5hc&index=14
>>131035040Grumiaux
>>131034768based weirdo
>>131034650this is what it is all about
>>131034768he's just like me
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tN3cR0rNqk
>>131036635that's sad
did you listen to Roy Harris' Folk Song Symphony yet???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq-ZqAkZXZ0
>>131034768Literally /our/ guy
>>131034768I've told you guys, if you play his third Mass in reverse, you can make out the line ">tfw no cunny wife" in German.
>>131032818I've always hated Kempe, too noisy (he loves ruining the music with shouting brass)>Furtwanglerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YegLNgHIWhA>Krausshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3lodBFF_eE
>It's been a Lorenzo Perosi weekend for mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwOOwAE0VSs
>>131037419Added a Furtwangler set, I'll listen to it this week. That Krauss sounds pretty good for a recording from 1930!
Machaut Fucks. Marais Fucks. Mozart Fucks. Haydn Fucks. Debussy Fucks. Stravinsky Fucks.Brucker Sucks. Mahler Sucks. Chopin Sucks, Schoenberg Sucks. Stockhausen Sucks.
>>131037419An anon recommended his Meistersinger recording in a previous thread. I couldn't even get a quarter of the way through the first act. So noisy and messy. Listening to Jochum/Berlin recording spoiled me too much I think. Lovely opera though. https://youtu.be/ThFSXwanhJQ
tfw Giulini has the greatest Brahms cycle but for some bizarre reason it's not released as a single sethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdug-ooVp9EAlso in the making of this post, I learned he actually has another full Brahms set on EMI with the Philharmonia O. Interesting. Might have to peephttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bALKsLugVwAGiulini lookin' like Karajan's brother in this pic
>>131038082just in case it wasn't clear, I'm talking about his set on DG; 1 with the LA Phil, 2&3&4 with the VPO
now playingstart of Weinberg: Suite for Orchestrahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TWTXZvwoUs&list=OLAK5uy_njTIFd2hQwe1gQ6jK29wNcmwp3nwNnM9s&index=2start of Weinberg: Symphony No. 17, Op. 137 "Memory"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAvUQY-TwYE&list=OLAK5uy_njTIFd2hQwe1gQ6jK29wNcmwp3nwNnM9s&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_njTIFd2hQwe1gQ6jK29wNcmwp3nwNnM9sone community reviewer writes,>Disappointing. Sounded like warmed over Shosty.Yes, and that's a GOOD thing.
So what's the verdict on Pablo Casals' cycle of Bach's Cello Suites? Great on its own merits and holds up today or only popular because he was first and has name recognition with the suites?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv-OQVxZqe0&list=OLAK5uy_m4XOYGb3F3_ENS8nX6JQv-fp8NdJPAWt0&index=10got-DAMN that sounds like shit. but I might tough it out if you guys think it's actually worth it
Feltsman's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntTT75fiD2A&list=OLAK5uy_kKr75nty8-eD1pTcBjo1w6utZmFAgsqNM&index=1
Scarlattihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2pe4CJQsHU
It's like a switch flicked in my brain and all of a sudden I find myself not enjoying any of Barenboim's Wagner as much anymore. Sad.
Haydnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bceGov-4kbM
Give me your best piano concertos
>>131041322MozartAll of them
>>131041322Rach 2, 3Brahms 2Mozart 20, 23Don't listen to the imbecile above.
>>131041583>no Mozart 24At least as good as 20
Beethoven 6 is a 3 movement symphony
>>131023215Masaaki Suzuki. I had the pleasure of seeing him conduct Zelenka's Missa Dei Patris 15 years ago at a conservatory in Boston. His Bach Cantata's with the Bach Collegium of Japan is superb, along with the Mass in B Minor.
>>131041710it's more of a tone poem really
>>131041757The third movement is. The first 2 are standard sonata-allegro movements
haydn's piano sonatas are a treasure trovehttps://youtu.be/3xcWrYUJn9c
What kinda cover is this? Why use a crime scene of all things to sell Bruckner 5? I know its an old radio recording which they resold but jeez
>>131041996That's the chalk outline of a man whose soul left his body after listening to Bruckner 5Kinda reminds me of this cover
>>131041996Feels especially bad taste as Kegel committed suicide
wait, Berlioz has a Te Deum? Did I forget this or how did I not know about this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SOre9azUx8damn that's glorious
Shostakovichhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdXZRUUSfOU&list=OLAK5uy_mWRqkaW1mCRDeXjDNY859CsChokIjbcT8&index=1
>tfw no Giuliini/Vienna Bruckner 3, 4, 5, or 6why live?
>>131041322Not Rach 2, the most overrated and saccharine piece of shit ever to exist.
>>131041322Brahms 1&2SchumannGriegBartok 1-3, especially 2Beethoven 3-5, especially 5Ravel 1&2Liszt 1&2Prokofiev 2&3Shostakovich 1&2Michael Tippett Tchaikovsky 1&2George Lloyd 1-4Max RegerDvorakthe list goes on...
The question is, is it a Magic Flute, Don Giovanni, or Figaro kinda day?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NGtULmNJjQ
>>131041322Only Rachmaninoff 2. No other answer.
Random thing but why is it so uncommon for classical period works to use their brass for anything other than a quick *bap*? Is there any symphony in this period that utilizes a trumpet or horn solo even?
>>131041322Piano concertos are overrated. Listen to symphonies
>>131042542>Piano concertos are overratedCorrect.>Listen to symphoniesBetter, but chamber music is the true gigachad form of classical music.
>>131042523no valves
>>131042631I mean horn and trumpet concertos were still being written, why couldnt they write so intricitaly for parts in symphonies and overtures?
What are your favorite chamber orchestra recordings?
>>131042724probably symphony of a thousand by mahler
Now that we are talking about concertos, what is your favorite cadenza written for a concerto not by the original composer?
>>131042655well, they're symphonies, not concertante works. is this intricate or just more bap bap?https://youtu.be/sjq3WLGn4Wk
>>131042724You're going to have to narrow your question a bit, anon...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpo3m6KnqHg&list=OLAK5uy_lSLOrdOctP8QKAY6N2mr_0edanhtxPoqg&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWCRkLuMgMY&list=OLAK5uy_kDtyAmNthEgcbQH1gwcVsnqppfiram450&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhR0FoeQinE&list=OLAK5uy_k3AHZR-6ayXtaGItdeHUDFnXfz7as8u14&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkadBicYhDM&list=OLAK5uy_nouIeTJGxZbDHTp8tn192sPiXSnykVy2g&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wMRpgupTnw&list=OLAK5uy_m37jDsUN5rgdN2hb6kr7CSzk_o5OoP2Tk&index=22I'd suggest finding a quality chamber orchestra and exploring their discography, eg Chamber Orchestra of Europe or Orpheus Chamber Orchestra.
>>131042806I prefer the version Schoenberg wrote for large orchestra. Simon Rattle recorded it once, its cool.
>>131042542>>131042598PCs are objectively the most expressive genre of music.>formYou don't understand what form is.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gpmBtZV_P0&list=OLAK5uy_mnzaPMpMDjUvSaD6lNAO-57iPVcK8otOg&index=33
>>131042724chamber orchestra Beethoven 9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGuYRbYqy4&list=OLAK5uy_mp9VwLJsyX-XWFpBqW5kb33MJCzHQ82BE&index=34chamber orchestra Brahms 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY52M36YQjA&list=OLAK5uy_mFzoDn4uEuRwPZVSsioWqMKxWVrvXwudk&index=13chamber orchestra Mozart Requiem and Mass in C minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxXZJdHMBbU&list=OLAK5uy_ngT56ZERfszhTJOXfCMpbnU1czru4jr4M&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHrjq7luZj8&list=OLAK5uy_ngT56ZERfszhTJOXfCMpbnU1czru4jr4M&index=1chamber orchestra Prokofiev Violin Concertoshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN5niZl7Vjw&list=OLAK5uy_lPrEia97RMHPci2Qp649aX9H2cRA76Sss&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maSnbKPj-ek&list=OLAK5uy_lPrEia97RMHPci2Qp649aX9H2cRA76Sss&index=6chamber orchestra Sibelius 5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw0vtoepV9w&list=OLAK5uy_mOQZAjlPdnwtnwwMc8fE8B5lxGt0p4GVY&index=20chamber orchestra Schumann 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUHsK9KYYy0&list=OLAK5uy_laQUoc7LY0VwXySOYllMq3hJGPPKNU4U4&index=13chamber orchestra Mahler 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GNQejbHzDY&list=OLAK5uy_laJwH28aOekPG57y3g28-ESUy4H7FyUxw&index=1chamber orchestra Brahms Violin Concertohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omIaQyPZ-n8&list=OLAK5uy_kU-rYbVg-4cjVQXMufdrsfZlvlm3NttLw&index=1chamber orchestra Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5-WwsoXOaQ&list=OLAK5uy_l-aVsX9johw5S6NLXdzF_USTKv-bO0TK4&index=27chamber orchestra Mahler 10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOitxIHkVcI&list=OLAK5uy_kSREYzclQEqhCE8jTFlniJOseiwk2JnHk&index=1chamber orchestra Mahler Das Lied von der Erdehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfc-zrele8&list=OLAK5uy_m2__GeSUPfLlyB2mp__OA8_CDgqlXSrNU&index=1
>>131043736>>131042724and in case it wasn't obvious, almost all of them are part of a larger cycle (the Beethoven, Brahms, Schumann, Sibelius) so if you like it, check out the rest oh and forgot, Perahia's Mozart Piano Concertos sethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPHpGCA2yh4&list=OLAK5uy_lx9IdjbIIGAEvk1oO5dowyhBO5zZ6KN5c&index=67alternatively, Barenboim has a chamber orchestra set too, depending on your preferencehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueRRrk4obbw&list=OLAK5uy_nXKthKc27jmz94hJJ4DC0VlIKARBLeRGE&index=62>>131042783This has a cadenza by Barenboim! ^
>>131043736>>131042724What is the point of playing Mahler or Brahms with a chamber orchestra?
>>131043780Mahler 4 and 10 are actually quite chamberlike as is. As for Brahms, the same as for any chamber orchestra performance I suppose. It's never my main preference but it's nice to clear out the mind every so often, with its tautness and lighthandedness, which can be quite refreshiong.
Why does it feel like Baroque music has way shorter pauses between movements? Usually Baroque pieces feel more like rhapsodic single movements than later eras
>>131043780>>131043796oh and as for Mahler's Das Lied, ask Schoenberg, it's his arrangement!
>>131043736Are these all arrangements? I often see "chamber orchestra" on recordings but the recording itself sounds like a normal orchestra
>>131043876A couple but not all. It'll say so, so just the Mozart choral pieces, Mahler 10, and Mahler Das Lied. That's my understanding, at least.For the modernists, here's Ives.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXh2ebU-gBg&list=OLAK5uy_lEqdr46MjLFTV7PaJnwYxSrVyQN-MiFm8&index=1
What is your excuse for not being an obsessive Chopinzee for today and listening to at least two opuses by Frédéric, other than your poor taste?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T09OvyzM0Xo
>>131044014>>131042724chamber orchestra Chopin Piano Concertoshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UQ9ma_uQVA&list=OLAK5uy_lYnXVPSwHHQOCLAb8wRScZgWWCxJlCAxc&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZXr0HXu86U&list=OLAK5uy_lYnXVPSwHHQOCLAb8wRScZgWWCxJlCAxc&index=4
>>131041322Rach 3Clara's
>>131042724>recordingsDon't listen enough of the same thing to discern between recordings, at least not for most pieces, with some I'm picky
i am euphorichttps://youtu.be/DQ7FW4fly9Y?si=NUlVo5WM3F2NdQhE
>>131044098more like Das Lied von die Euphorie :D
let's get Transcendentalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKMnfBc4cIM&list=OLAK5uy_kWu_YDCuSf5eMVT3eo-e9rnD_CagDdd40&index=10
>>131017818gomberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAP8vv1BUOM>mfw amen
>>131042842>You don't understand what form is.Pot, meet kettle.
>>131044014I stopped listening to Chopin because the people who like him here post like faggots so I figured it must be faggot music
I started listening to Scriabin because the people who like him here post like based schizophrenics so I figured it must be based schizophrenic music
>>131044889 Nah, you stopped because you're not even intellectually adept enough to reason without committing a logical fallacy.
>>131044947not sure why you think I would read a reply from a faggot but okay
>>131045116You sound like you are insecure about your own cock-sucking fetish ngl.
>>131045248>cock-suckingspeaking of:https://youtu.be/ReddbQtQ0mA?si=kmaWcNBB2A7ZemeD
Mozarthttps://youtu.be/J2Ff2HfJWp4
>>131034650never understood why people didn't like his bach, it's so unvarnished and punctual compared to modern recordings which sound like they were recorded in an echo chamber by an emo kid.i really like his earlier ones on the red seal labelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8YhKqbleCs
>>131046504People like a little more sweetness, a little more sentiment, a little more personality, like Milstein and Szeryng, even Shumsky.
>>131046762yeah milstein's bach is remarkable although i prefer the hard edges of heifetz' playing that seems to outline the geometric quality of bach's writing in bold strokes
>>131044889It is, and its also neurotic. Based anon
>>131046856>that seems to outline the geometric quality of bach's writing in bold strokesI don't know what that means but I like the way it sounds!
>Nelsons has no good recordi--ACK!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwnOeA2CBG4&list=OLAK5uy_mghQhx5VPgfKzDOdZFPwf0Pe15BKFUh14&index=5
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4GkRF_Nf_o&list=OLAK5uy_maCtgSPrgVJXcd4Bikp8sYOFLlekfFiQ8&index=1
this is your reminder Benjamin Britten composed a Piano Concertohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG99iLQDWbA
Wagner without words?
>>131047460I'd rather with them
>>131047460u rang?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-DFlCgeb4w
I've said it before, but with his two symphonies, Violin Concerto, Cello Concerto, Piano Quintet, String Quartet, Violin Sonata, Sea Pictures song cycle, Enigma Variations, Introduction and Allegro, Serenade for Strings, In the South overture, and many oratorios like The Dream of Gerontius or The Kingdom, Elgar is pound-for-pound/note-for-note the greatest composer of all-time. Which is to say while he wasn't prolific, everything he did compose was aces, and in terms of ratio, he's second-to-none.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCWC_N4oyQM
>>131047493Uh that's not lord of the rings
>>131047798>'Arwen'
>The Third Symphony is Mahler’s hymn to the natural world and his longest work. It was largely composed in the summer of 1895 after an exhausting and troubling period that pitched him into feverish creative activity. Bruno Walter visited him at that time and as Mahler met him off the ferry Walter looked up at the spectacular alpine vistas around him only to be told: "No use looking up there, that’s all been composed by me."greatness recognizes itself>Mahler was inspired by the grandeur around him at the very deepest level of feeling and also by visions of Pan and Dionysus. In fact by a sense of every natural creative force in the universe infusing him into "one great hymn to the glory of every aspect of creation", or, as Deryck Cooke put it: "a concept of existence in its totality."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KkOu82W1E8&list=OLAK5uy_l-ImdQldSwQ-5e_0RKZZ-tdw5AKjZhMUM&index=1
I forgot about this. Had myself a little giggle.It might be true, but I was too small brain for it the last time I tried to read it. Maybe better luck this time.Can you guess what it is?
>>131047848the gradus ad parnassum?
Why did you wanna do all these mean things to me?https://pad.philharmoniedeparis.fr/pad/doc/CIMU/1063149/eleanor
>>131045384Damn, I hate when I click a piece of music just to check it out and it ends up being so good my body refuses to let me close it... I just have to listen to it reaching it conclusion
I must know [spoiler] does anyone else actually use apple music classical? [/spoiler]
>>131048026I use YouTube Music. I did download the new Luisi Ring from Apple Classical a couple months back because they had a few weeks exclusive release and I couldn't wait (though oddly, it half of it still isn't on YouTube Music, wtf, so good thing I didn't wait, 'cuz I have it in my offline library).
I'm gonna be honest, Schubert's early piano sonatas kind of suck
>>131048026On windows the apple music app sucks fucking ass, it doesn't have the "classical" thing though, thats only for the phone app and the github project Sidra doesn't yet support it (Sidra has its own problems too) I refuse to use the web player for autistic reasons, though maybe one day I should give in into it because since it knows the structure of how classical works I think you can let it on that infinite auto play and it will play full works instead of random movements, this is the one feature I really wanted from music streaming stuff, a easy way to discover music
>>131047893No, but good guess because it's a counterpoint book. One more hint. The answer is in the filename.
>>131048086Schubert's early everything sucks. He, like Mozart, was a child prodigy so made the error of publishing his juvenilia. That said, for background listening, I think his early piano sonatas are okay, but yeah, I wouldn't deliberately put on for active listening anything below, what, No. 13, D. 664, and I imagine for most it's even later than that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXP5WQDUr9U&list=OLAK5uy_mKLG6e8BfyTAG0bPpMj76TUJsgg-JMQHY&index=10
>>131048090>I should give in into it because since it knows the structure of how classical works I think you can let it on that infinite auto play and it will play full works instead of random movements, this is the one feature I really wanted from music streaming stuff, a easy way to discover musicoh? that's dope
Time to find out if Gielen's Mahler 7 lives up to all the hype.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sck1BUzJlZE&list=OLAK5uy_mnaGFK2T5Agn61NqGy_tnuPaXTesVRAXQ&index=1
What do you obnoxious Chopinfags think the best form Chopin wrote in? It's got to be his nocturnes, right? What do you think about his mazurkas?
>>131050186You mean genre, and that would be the Ballades, no question about it. They are in an unique sonata form with rondo/variation elements. Then sonatas (cello, 3rd especially, also 2nd), polonaise fantasie and barcarolle, scherzos and late nocturnes. That's the 'top 6', roughly in that order.
>>131050212The Ballades are mostly boring and monotonous, though. And when they're not, they're cringe, like the coda of the 2nd.Also, the 2nd sonata is one of his best works. Funny how Chopinfags don't like it.>Barcarolle that lowCome on.
>>131050229You're quite deaf apparently.
>>131050229>The Ballades are mostly boring and monotonous, though.damn now I've seen it allbut yes I think his Nocturnes are his peak
Prokofiev's 5th has finally clicked for me. IDK why it hasn't for the longest time, it's very lyrical, but it somehow felt weird and slithery to me. Which of his symphonies should I listen to next, besides the Classical
>>131050983None of the rest are lyrical in the same way, they're far more dissonant. If you want closer to the 5th, then go in reverse order; 7th, 6th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd.
What do you guys thinj of fritz reiner
>>1310510387 is easily his most lyrical
>>131050186the shorter, the better: preludes and etudes
>>131052124You're not a Chopinzee so they're not asking for your bad opinion. Please read the post before replying!
>>131052115More than the 5th? No way. But enough to warrant the descriptor of lyrical, yeah, probably.>>131051868Always a marker of quality. While I don't think I'd rate any of his recordings as a personal favorite, many are good enough to be deserving of that title for a classical fan.
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy66qBJ8QnsCurious, was there any movement of this length before Liszt, not counting variations pieces? Can't really think of one off the top of my head?
>>131052124Meh.
>>131052755Liszt absolutely despised brevity, didn't he? Never knew when to shut the fuck up. You're not that interesting, bro.
>>131052755I gave it some thought and you might be right.
This will probably be ignored as it's not a post about me wanting to suck off some composer, but could I get some recommendations for "creepy" music? I want it as inspo to learn about composition but I struggle to find good stuff as any search returns either spoky movie stuff with just high pitched violin shit and random noises, or cartoonish "music for Halloween", I'm not probably doing the best searches, but anyways I'm looking for properly composed stuff with a melancholic and uneasiness feeling
>>131052969https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqrJmxy4q3Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fysuRg-xHEoAnd perhaps this too:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LMgvEGqvDwIt's based on the pic related painting and it feels a little eerie without being outright scary.
>>131052969You might enjoy the symphonies of Allan Petterssonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-mHnuAql6AMaybe some Pendereckihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdLFItsjM7sand perhaps some Lutoslawskihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apXl3wbLPeghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn-G8mleI4g
>>131053050>>131053061Thanks
>>131052969Schnittkehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HQM4kl0p3whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fE0uQNcGoQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIB2p4K6hHo
>>131053080If you end up liking the Pettersson, he has a lot of other symphonies and pieces which sound very similar to that.
>>131052920I liked it...
>>131052969Definitely Prokofiev, check out concerto no.2 in G minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XHmZ7NHXG8&list=OLAK5uy_kTk4XwjW5RqSqFXN4u4O3qrqyfWCamhvg&index=1First movement starts off somewhat mysteriously, after the exposition a long piano cadenza begins, which slowly intensifies by twisting and developing the themes in unsettling ways, until it descends into utter madness and finally, reaches the most fierce and terrifying climax ever composed. I could barely name a single more powerful AND vicious moments in music.If this is too over the top, look no further than the 3rd concerto, but the last movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2Ez5mLY-ks&list=OLAK5uy_kTk4XwjW5RqSqFXN4u4O3qrqyfWCamhvg&index=7The theme at 7:00 is like a demented version of a Rachmaninoff theme, which itself tends to be gloomy.And lastly, Scriabin's Vers la flamme, more eccentric, mysterious and satanic, but equally terryfing and morbid. It begins as a totally depressing, nihilistic piece, and turns into hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlqGkVc29Gw
Listen to Yuja Wang.
I'm about halfway through the recommendations. I skipped a few that I think I'll probably end up liking because I want to give them a more careful listen later, but so far I can say that Penderecki, Lutosławski, and Schnittke are generally a bit too avant-garde/modernist for what I'm looking for. Their music seems to focus more on texture and contrast than melody, and while they definitely capture a sense of unease, they don't really create the kind of melancholic atmosphere I'm after.Scriabin's Vers la flamme comes a bit closer to what I had in mind, but it still feels a little too fragmented.I think what I'm really looking for is music where the unease comes mainly from the melody and harmony, rather than from extended techniques, sound textures, or intentionally fragmented musical language.That said, I genuinely enjoyed the third movement of Lutosławski's Cello Concerto, even though it felt more nostalgic or sorrowful than unsettling.Anyway, thanks again for all the recommendations. :)
>>131054003Correct. The first few recs were, quite frankly, garbage. In this general you listen to my recs. And Prokofiev is precisely what you're looking for, the two concertos I linked. The last movement of the 3rd has an especially sinister melody and since you liked Scriabin there's far more to check out, including his sonatas 4, 5, 7, 9, 10. Although they likely won't click immediately it is, as I understand, exactly what you're looking for, along with etudes such as 8/12https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ClDFmFmr0kAnd especially 42/5, you gotta love both of the etudeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xudZ3J4EeoQIf you liked the first etude (8/12), you can begin exploring Chopin and even Beethoven, since that's more of the romantic drama than what you're after. And of course Scriabin's orchestral works, poemes, impromptus etc. (I dislike preludes but you might like them). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seC8oc_1rYQSchoenberg should definitely draw your attention. I would also recommend Liszt, but he isn't at all melodic. But do check out mephisto waltzes and sonata in B minor at least. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQDxn_LMCfQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4IXh4m7Jmg
>>131054003Sounds like you want more Romantic evocations of creepiness and horror. The Rachmaninoff piece here >>131053050 is closer to this. Here are a few others:Dvorak's The Wild Dove. Tone poem about a woman who murders her husband, remarries, then hears a dove mourning over her former husband's grave that compels her to suicide out of guilt. The cheerful part midway through is the wedding and the climax near the end is her death.https://youtu.be/ZwxyKDT2rGITchaikovsky's Francesca da Rimini. Tone poem about an adulteress and her lover condemned to hell, based on a section from the Inferno.https://youtu.be/kYZG2aHvrWoSchubert Quartet No. 14 'Death and the Maiden'. Abstract music, but with an intense Gothic atmosphere. The second movement is a variations movement based on a theme from a Lied of Schubert's called 'Death and the Maiden', hence the nickname.https://youtu.be/0_3-IrM0bLYBrahms op. 118 No. 5 Intermezzo. A short piano piece based on the famous Dies Irae theme you can also hear in the Rachmaninoff piece. Melancholic and gloomy. https://youtu.be/a5s_xZNF3KI
>>131054377*No. 6 Intermezzo
Fanny Mendelssohn
>>131054525I find that very Fanny.
>>131054525>tfw no composer-sister gf
>>131054683>sister gf
I'd give my left foot and right eye to play Scriabin's etude Op.42 no.5.
>>131030751anything the mono/hissfaggot dislikes is probably good
Scriabin? more like Scriabin.
>>131025770>>131025770I figured it out. It's because all the unfinished sonatas made numbering them difficult and through the years someone messed up in some catalogue, so sonata 10 is also called sonata 11 and sonata 11 is also called sonata 12, meaning it goes 7 - 8 - 9 - 10/11 -11/12 - 13 - 14...so there are indeed only 20 sonatas
>>131052969Bach Brandenburg Concertos
>>131052969Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X0gKdBxoJshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MApCm3UO6nQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xka1fq_42fohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVAQ1neo30chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=begZxBViGdM
>>131055031finally
>>131048140I think only from sonata 15 on do they all become worthwhile, but I like the second movement of the very first one
Is Scriabin's Mysterium the endgame of classical? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysterium_(Scriabin)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4YSysUn-Bk
>>131055036Third time's the charm
>>131055046he didn't even write it
>>131055046>tfw you will never see/hear/smell/taste/touch Scriabin's finished Mysterium in the foothills of the Himalayas in IndiaWhy live?
Who was it that called Scriabin "languishing junk"? It's such a perfectly succinct and appropriately dismissive description of such worthless music.
>>131052969Oh and I think there's a chance you might like Bartok's string quartets, especially the slower and/or "night music" movements.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D23E6HHiss8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP74FhypOB0
>>131055037>I think only from sonata 15 on do they all become worthwhile,b-b-but the opening of the No. 13 I posted... it's an all-timer!
>>131055052Nemtin wrote it. It took him 35 years and he died before it would be performed in its entirety. Its not the Mysterium, but its still interesting enough
>>131055134Webern. The same person who said to play this music with more "sex appeal", to which Berg, an asthmatic, nearly choked to death due to laughing so hard. Don't know who would take this guy seriously.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlDzt6QiMEk
die, walkure, die!
>>131055161Webern is a billion times the composer Scriabin ever was
>>131055134>Languishing: a sense of stagnation, emptiness, and a lack of zest for lifeThis doesn't describe Scriabin at all. His music is some of the most life-affirming there is. Cope and seethe.
>>131055151The opening yes, so it the opening of the 8th. As for the rest...
>>131055179And other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself
>>131055191>not spacing out after listening to the opening of a piecesnob
>>131055182>had to look up the definition of languishing>"cope">"seethe"not doing any good to fix Scrabinfags' "underage ESLs" reputation
>>131053289Takes a certain kind of person to enjoy Liszt's symphonic/tone poems. I personally do. But the ones that don't, really don't.
>>131055201>>had too look upIncorrect.>>"cope">>"seethe"Yes.
Jessye Norman as Sieglindehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgKTeqriVFM&list=OLAK5uy_kzSmwn1uwTwFuoE5Jnb3ckAMaY1FTLJnU&index=29
>Webern calling Scriabin's music "languishing junk"
new>>131055278>>131055278>>131055278
>>131055198i only do that if I'm listening to a piece in bed and fall asleep
>GinasteraForgot he existed, adding his stuff to the playlist rn
>mfw listening to HIP Purcell, and Savall interpretations of Lully and CouperinBaroque music truly is the sex-havers choice and the most sex-piled music out there. Every time I hear a female operatic singers sing without vibrato, my penis starts dripping
