Wyschnegradsky editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOat_xsGUOwThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131055278
First for Chopin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RuVyTY5sl4
Unfinished > Great
Fauréhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SvQXzvHmB4
>>131100131This is how plebs think Scriabin sounds
Paderewski is such a genius for that incredibly delicate voicing in the canon at the endhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiTqKimlS9w
Is there any wagner opera which can be split up into a bunch of 20 minute "movements"? I tend to like wagnerian symphonists because 20 minutes is a good length for a piece of music, but wagner acts tend to go on for a lot longer.
>>131100691Maybe Das Rheingold? It's a single act of continuous music, but it's divided into four scenes, and it's shorter than Wagner's other mature operas. You could easily take each scene as a separate chunk. Depending on the performance, they're around 25-45 minutes each. Pick a relatively fast recording like Boulez's and you're good to go.
>>131100131Thoughts on Frank Zappa as a 20th century composer.
>>131100844Lol.
>>131100844None.
>>131100196Whenever I return to these pieces, I'm struck by their sustained depth and seriousness, even nobility; by their harmonic originality and melodic richness; and by the extraordinary cleanliness of the writing, with nothing superfluous or overstated.
>>131101340Whenever I see your posts, I'm struck by their sustained faggotry and snobbishness, even articulation; by their fabricated originality and punctuative richness; and by the extraordinary stupidity of the writing, with everything superfluous or overstated.
>>131100844sometimes
Mozart.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMhatcL9GL4&list=OLAK5uy_l-hZlrtxpIPagc4QHU4qcp7-nGZaw11EU&index=2
Maybe there really is something mythical about Bach. I don't know much about classical music, but day after day I listen to new pieces from different periods and by different artists, yet every time I listen to The Art of Fugue again, it always evokes that same specific feeling. Listening to Bach is always a pleasure.
>>131101418Whenever I see your posts, I'm struck by their sustained irony and defensiveness, even cowardice; by their reflexive contempt for sincerity and authenticity; and by the extraordinary emotional evasiveness of the writing, with nothing genuinely felt or sincerely expressed.
>>131101340Yet, unlike Chopin's Nocturnes, once the performance ends, the melody immediately disappears from the mind's eye like a ghost.
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z8FQSzXi9s&list=OLAK5uy_nQU5pB1CsHT4Sx4T9DaSxIjAnGvoN4KRo&index=40
>mfw Fauré with an é mentioned>mfw it's time to pull out Thesaurus or rip off some 18th century dude and compose a shitpost with a poetic touch!To Fauré, then, my heart belongs; from elegant French salons and gardens it derives its breath, its life, and all its internal movements. No, even if the absolute separation of our states should tear away my physical presence, my soul shall never be sundered from its devotion. Every moment of my existence shall be consecrated to this enduring adoration. The world may shift its fragile foundations, and the passing whims of fortune may alter my mortal destiny, but they can never diminish that sacred fire which burns with an unextinguishable flame. In this singular passion, I find both my sanctuary and my highest elevation; it is the lens through which all beauty is revealed to my senses, and the noble anchor of my wandering spirit.
The anon who did the survey of Chopin Prelude recordings should do the same for Scriabin's Preludes, Op. 11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPdLthB3sK0&list=OLAK5uy_nAwZinCn9kd7B6M1PENrCbNncCxUhr9zo&index=15
continuing with the Nikolayeva 1984 Beethoven piano sonatas cycle19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLH7ea_0flY&list=OLAK5uy_mR8FRa8hGfgRaknv0HUT8xhSn25TTHMqU&index=6620https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri_SgMD_CwM&list=OLAK5uy_mR8FRa8hGfgRaknv0HUT8xhSn25TTHMqU&index=6821https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilLbezEBPmg&list=OLAK5uy_mR8FRa8hGfgRaknv0HUT8xhSn25TTHMqU&index=7022https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3cqtw4Wejs&list=OLAK5uy_mR8FRa8hGfgRaknv0HUT8xhSn25TTHMqU&index=7323https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXdkp5kJcA4&list=OLAK5uy_mR8FRa8hGfgRaknv0HUT8xhSn25TTHMqU&index=74
with all the discussion about Wagner Without Words, I'm surprised I didn't know this recording existed, I thought there was only Maazel's Ring without Words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDeYwZ9ysFw&list=OLAK5uy_k7KgM5Xdb-xw-c-XpFaLPT0VrpsyybS2A&index=1small nitpick: it's an arrangement for chorus and orchestra, so with the chorus, there is, in a sense, still some words, lol, just no words in operatic form
>>131102824That's understandable as a description of your own subjective response or unfamiliarity with the music, but regardless, instant memorability isn't the same thing as melodic quality. For example, a lot of Baroque music is melodically rich while being made up of ideas that flow into and out of the general musical flow instead of standing out as obvious, self-contained tunes. Fauré was obviously a harmonist first and foremost, but his melodic logic is closer to Beethoven's or better yet Brahms's.
Missa Solemnis morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE6pX7_tzoA&list=OLAK5uy_nQc_YlqHAYMWtODCz5Ych8eea_g4XUBBs&index=1
>>131072355>Anyway, some Mozart. What is your favorite movement of the 5 violin concerti?I'm not sure I like any of his violin concertos.
>>131102824Ironically, that only makes Fauré's nocturnes more nightlike. You don't remember exactly how every shadow fell around you or every crevice and crater you saw while looking at the moon. What you do remember is the impression it left on you.
>>131103916Hmm, decent point.
>>131103916Damn, that's kinda deep.
Johann Baptist Joseph Maximilian Reger>Given its symphonic scale and highly complex texture, the title 'Sinfonietta' is a whimsical understatement. The Sinfonietta is the first large-scale orchestral work that Reger completed and incorporated into his oeuvre as a fully realized composition, after a symphony attempt from 1902 had remained a fragment. Begun at the end of 1903 with the original intention of writing a "serenade," Reger finished the work on May 2, 1905 (in the intervening years, he composed the large sets of variations on themes by Bach and Beethoven, respectively). "I believe I can assert that the work is very clear, without brooding or reflection, but that it was not written in vain musically, as it should prove, especially to our time, that the classical form is absolutely not outdated! For musical connoisseurs, there will be much 'refinement' in the work, and I also think that it should be quite effective purely 'externally'. Since I am considerably more modest in my demands regarding the technical aspects than Strauss, the work should not suffer from being 'unperformed.'" (Reger in a letter to Karl Straube, May 2, 1905)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RSAE_fY3Hwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEyLNIB8BfQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54eJVgROGzUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjMknQH8L0A
>>131103916>>131103949>>131103954>The thought of the week is on Deepities, a term invented by philosopher, Daniel Dennett. He writes that a ‘deepity’ is:>“a proposition that seems both important and true – and profound – but that achieves this effect by being ambiguous. On one reading, it is manifestly false, but it would be earth-shaking if it were true; on the other reading, it is true but trivial. The unwary listener picks up the glimmer of truth from the second reading, and the devastating importance from the first reading, and thinks, Wow! That’s a deepity.”
>>131104013Loving it. And it's conducted by a first-rate conductor.
Scriabin and Chopin.Literally all you need.
>>131104089that's just called being a poet, Daniel
>>131104158Or rather, a retard. But we can agree it's the same thing I'm sure.
>>131104089>>131104164This was conjured by a resentful heart.
>>131104089No offence, anon, but this just seems like you're trying hard to sound intelligent by bringing up some philosophical term without understanding what it means or whether it even applies. A metaphor for a work of art isn't a deepity just because you think it sounds pretentious or whatever. You can say the comparison is bad or overwrought, but this is just misusing a fancy concept you apparently didn't understand in the first place, making you look about as dumb as you thought you sounded clever.
>>131104133>Dumb and Dumberno thanks
>>131104089So this is the power of Anglo Analytic philosophy. I'll stick to continental, thanks.>“At a certain place in Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, for example, he might feel that he is floating above the earth in a starry dome, with the dream of immortality in his heart; all the stars seem to glimmer around him, and the earth seems to sink ever deeper downwards.” ---- Nietzschethat's more my speed
>>131104191He's just resentful he can't think in a poetic manner.
>>131104191That's a lot of strawman and irony for one post. At least use that time to explain why it isn't a deepity you tard.>>131104183>>131104218Mindbroken.
>>131104235>N-NO, U!!!>M-MIND B-B-BROKEN ;_;get better, David
>>131104248Who's DavidWhere's no uTime for meds
>>131104261>M-MEDS LMAO ;_;This is all pretty sad, my guy. Take a break, work on yourself.
>>131104229It wasn't even that poetic of a metaphor, nor was it an attempt to sound particularly deep, and it definitely wasn't ambiguous enough to be mistaken for a deepity. Some people are just so miserable that they have to try to drag everyone else down.>>131104235>please argue with meNo, I don't think I will.
>>131104102Glad to hear you're enjoying it, anon
now playingDvořák: My Home, Op. 62, B. 125ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlnaE5KfgIY&list=OLAK5uy_kG75QuGtOeWUI3-mKdVGse_tm0EhXguNs&index=18Dvořák: Hussite Overture, B.132https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_uSqFa-RcA&list=OLAK5uy_kG75QuGtOeWUI3-mKdVGse_tm0EhXguNs&index=19Dvořák: In Nature's Realm, Op. 91, B. 168https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqcOsjDUGoo&list=OLAK5uy_kG75QuGtOeWUI3-mKdVGse_tm0EhXguNs&index=20Dvořák: Carnival Overture, Op. 92, B. 169https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0KbsUnqmBI&list=OLAK5uy_kG75QuGtOeWUI3-mKdVGse_tm0EhXguNs&index=21Dvořák: Othello Overture, B. 174https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxXZfztWQhE&list=OLAK5uy_kG75QuGtOeWUI3-mKdVGse_tm0EhXguNs&index=22Dvořák: The Water Goblin, Op. 107, B. 195https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8K7y3_Q2tI&list=OLAK5uy_kG75QuGtOeWUI3-mKdVGse_tm0EhXguNs&index=22https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kG75QuGtOeWUI3-mKdVGse_tm0EhXguNsDvorak's symphonies get all the attention -- and for good reason -- but we shouldn't sleep on his other orchestral works, overtures, and tone poems. Performed by Kubelik? This set ought to be in everybody's library. I'm gonna do a comparison between this, the Kertesz set, and other recordings of the tone poems for fun.
>>131104279>>131104284Pretty, severely, hardly mindbroken.
10/10
>>131104517>Scotsman >conducting BrucknerLOLI tease. Fine, I'll give it a peep.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fF2C-oSZEI&list=OLAK5uy_lTzhHz-NPDULRJxKNNic0Ag9zfvnrqdwY&index=1>first and second movements both under 20 minoh lord, we got a sonic the hedgehog here...
>>131104560we got someone who is actually musical to finally conduct Bruckner, you mean
>>131104329>we shouldn't sleep on his other orchestral works, overtures, and tone poemsI'm not 100% confident about this but I'm pretty sure most people would agree that Má Vlast is one of his most notable and well known works, so there really isn't any danger of people "sleeping on" it
>>131104620>Dvorak>Ma Vlastquick, anon, delete this before someone points and laughs at you!
>>131104627No, I commit to my brainfarts
speaking of Ma Vlast, lemme shill this recording again, by far the most unique, worthwhile rendition of the masterwork I've heard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kaugn0YeH30&list=OLAK5uy_nDXdK-hEvaxIYrZjKrrRLFHjIUdCPQZqk&index=1warning: not for the faint of heart who cannot handle idiosyncrasy
You guys seriously listen to the parts that aren't the Moldau?
>>131104692The full work, in long duration, scratches a certain itch. I cannot describe what the itch is, other than it is a symphonic poem that isn't quite symphony, so it provides what symphonies do not in duration traditional tone/symphonic poems do not. Maybe it's the static structure that you find in orchestral pieces as opposed to symphonies, I think I find it relaxing.
>>131102674>Nourished by this teaching, Albert Cano Smit chose the ultimate achievement in this field, L'Art de la fugue, for his first solo album. "I remember hearing the opening notes of the piece for the first time, and being captivated by the impression that an entire universe was slowly being revealed through the work. Without immediately understanding the degree of complexity, I was deeply moved by the music, and I believe every listener can be. This album is my humble attempt at communicating this to every music lover. I'm grateful to them and to everyone joining me on this journey of discovery."Indeed, Bach seems to capture a universal and intense spiritual effect very few other composers have ever managed to touch upon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfrQGjVYUEw&list=OLAK5uy_mz6iumkQcMWEsfLTVGqSRI1x4pkHDznsw&index=14
What is so special about B flat?
>mfw Contrapunctus II (2[1+1])https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcJhf5t4jp8&list=OLAK5uy_lYcjatHBOJ9raY_ysy_miCCz9jWtweHlI&index=38
for me, it's Contrapunctus IX (Neun)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-98xB7Rzk
>>131104904Heartfelt warmth
art of the boogie woogie
>>131104904nothing. ignore these stupid videos.
>>131104904It makes a great clickbait.
>...so Dave, I heard you got slapped on your date last night! What did you do?>Yeah, well, we had dinner, which went well, and then I walked her back to her place through the park while we had a nice conversation.>Right.>We get to the door, I go for the kiss, and she kisses me back.>So far so good.>Yeah. Well, I guess I had one too many drinks, because I tried a clever joke to get upstairs, and I guess she didn't like it, and she slapped me.>What!? What did you say?>After we kissed, I said, 'So that's the Prelude... how about we go upstairs and I'll play you the Fugue?'>*laughtrack*
What does /classical/ think of listening to classical music while doing math? Is it good, or am I doing myself a disservice?
>>131105307I thought Dave is a homo?
>>131105319Whatever works. I listened to music while reading some non-fiction earlier.
>>131105319Listening to any kind of music, even classical, while doing mentally demanding work drastically lowers your performance.
>>131104904This gotta be Reddit himself. Reddit personified. If Reddit was a human he would look, dress and talk like this guy. He would create similar thumbnails and talk about similar details no one cares about. I have never experienced Reddit this much, not even on Reddit itself.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMOYtK5-CuM
>>131105321>Dave! There's a rumor you're gay.>Man, fuck that.>Do you know why?>Yeah, it wasn't my fault! Y'know that girl from the Berlin Philharmonic I took out last week, the cellist?>What about her?>Well, once we got back to my place, let's just say it turns out 'she' -- *Dave does airquotes with his fingers* -- plays for the Wiener Philharmonic.>*laughtrack*
>>131105338I swear I read before it stimulates the smart neurons in your brain and improves performance and retention. I could be mistaken tho
>>131105403It does stimulate the smart neurons in your brain but that's a bad thing because then they're occupied with music and you can't use them for thinking.
One time I put on Chopin's Nocturnes while I studying from a textbook for Macroeconomics class, and my mom overheard the music, opened my bedroom door, and took a picture like she was all proud of the combination of classical music and diligent study.
>>131105485I didn't know this was a comedy show.
One time I put on this while I was making this post.
>>131105403>the smart neurons
Music was good before Bach and then it only got good again after Schoenberg.
>>131106746Facts.
>>131106746True. Schoenberg sucks, but Mozart, Haydn and Boccherini are peak.
>>131106746and other teenager-exclusive opinions
I cum to Purcell, Lully, Mozart, Haydn, Debussy, Rameau, Stravinsky, and Ravel.
>>131106864>True.>immediate contradiction
>>131107267I gotta admit, when I picture the kind of person with this taste, I imagine a very nice, very tasteful, expensive home.
Vikingur Olafsson's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mymWYonUUs&list=OLAK5uy_nHAijy1BuxInKyqJh2EcS-bzaBlGlmwPQ&index=5
I was working on my counterpoint today and decided to try to sing in diatonic parallel 4ths against an instrument and it made me strongly feel why 4ths are dissonant. I kind of understood that they weren't resolved, but I never really felt how dissonant they are. Try it.
now playingstart of Brahms: Cello Sonata No. 1 in E Minor, Op. 38https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_AU9Wb3Lmk&list=OLAK5uy_nAcoIU3FKUwEczHqO2AeSG6ZuxD9fpHPw&index=2start of Brahms: Cello Sonata No. 2 in F Major, Op. 99https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grLnzAAz54o&list=OLAK5uy_nAcoIU3FKUwEczHqO2AeSG6ZuxD9fpHPw&index=5start of Brahms: Selected Hungarian Dances (Transc Tharaud & Queyras for Cello and Piano)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9i4kHFBmJA&list=OLAK5uy_nAcoIU3FKUwEczHqO2AeSG6ZuxD9fpHPw&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nAcoIU3FKUwEczHqO2AeSG6ZuxD9fpHPwThere are so many sets of Beethoven's and Brahms' cello sonatas, it can be a bit daunting branching out of the handful of established classics, and even then you pretty much have to stick to names you recognize from other recordings you like, else you'll be sifting through endless mediocrity, which sucks because you no doubt will miss out on some gems. That's the way it goes, I suppose.
Listen to Allan Pettersson Symphony 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJHtWl-zFto&list=OLAK5uy_kOOsQx9esfY5nWjK2KyAZiv2dVwEQ0pbc&index=1warning: may cause depression
hot take: Walter Gieseking is so overrated, particularly his Debussy and Ravel. He was just first. There is zero reason to listen to him now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t6OnABj0C8
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkfL5PpOoKc&list=OLAK5uy_loSiIhsi8_xQVoMVxh_yxTgsrQZQWy6RI&index=1
>>131109808This also applies to Schnabel's Beethoven and Cortot's Chopin btw.
>>131109860ONLY if you're deaf and retarded, yes.
hot take I posted in the last thread: Rachmaninoff's thread best works are in this order: second symphony, second piano trio, second piano concerto. His second piano trio will get the great it deserves one day.
damn Scriabin's 0th sonata is actually pretty good
>>131109860Holy ragebait
>>131109887>>131109954What, is my take too hot for you? Maybe put on gloves before you open the thread next time.
>>131109970>Maybe put on gloves before you open the thread next time.kek
>>131104089Anglos really have the dumbest names for terms. I'll call this phenomenon a dumbitty.
>>131104517>Cuckner
I like Mahler 8, what Wagner opera would i like?
>>131109844Such a strange set. Donohoe makes Scriabin sounds like Liszt here.
>>131112250Sounds like that would be an improvement.
Opera is the only worthwhile form of classical music. Everything else is either derived from it or desperately wants to be it.
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHGtgZnYE0w&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=7
>>131112191That's choral. If you learn to enjoy Mahler's Das Lied von der Erde, then Wagner's operas might be for you.
It's rather astounding how good Strauss' horn concertos are while his violin concerto is absolute shiite.
Piano concerto is the only worthwhile form of classical music. Everything else is either derived from it or desperately wants to be it.
Was watching Breaking Bad and the scene where Jesse's parents are talking with his brother about whether he should pick the piccolo or the oboe as his main instrument got me curious. What would be the better choice? I was thinking the oboe gets used more as its been a standard part of the orchestra since the early Classical period. But the piccolo definitely got a lot of repertoire as well. If this was your kid and you have high hopes for his future as a musician, what would you recommend him? And that made me think more broadly, what important classical instrument is the crappiest in terms of getting work?
list of works too powerful to listen to more than once a month:Scriabin's Piano Sonata 5Tchaikovsky's Symphony 6Bach's Cello Suite 6Bach's Partita 2 for Solo Violin Bach's St Matthew PassionBrahms' Symphony 4Brahms' Cello Sonatas 1&2Beethoven's Missa SolemnisBeethoven's Piano Sonata 32Schubert's Piano Sonata 21Dvorak's Stabat MaterWagner's ParsifalMahler's Symphony 9
>GF just ended it with me after 2 years Music for this feel?>Listening to Poulencs nocturnes right now
>>131112779Brahms' late piano works, ops. 116-119https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXnojYMsYmA
>>131112748The oboe for sure. Flutes are gay and I'm not going to raise a fag.
>>131112779https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAapbue97JE
Is there any recording of Egmont that actually uses Beethoven's incidental music? I wanna know how it fares in the actual performance of the play.
>>131112801Merci, haven't listened to these in a long time.>>131112811I never felt this one matched the name it was given. Like it nonetheless.
>>1311127794th movement of Beethoven's 5th because she sucked and you're better off without her.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJhfxP6Hg6Q&t=1615s
>>131112779Winterreise.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-3NHrel67c&list=OLAK5uy_kEBQfE9y1XI5pU2zYqO7sxYdF4C3G2qas&index=2
>>131112967>I never felt this one matched the name it was given. Like it nonetheless.Considering you just got "the goodbye", you're about to find out.
>>131111347>tripfag
>>131104133>romantishit piano composers
>>131112810Every woodwind other than flute is gay
now playingstart of Wiren: Symphony No. 2, Op. 14https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgbwjJRRT9g&list=OLAK5uy_nsF9bNFflHfCyjzWYJXqZ_f90CqaKL7yc&index=2start of Wiren: Symphony No. 3, Op. 20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIQ-u6C97To&list=OLAK5uy_nsF9bNFflHfCyjzWYJXqZ_f90CqaKL7yc&index=5Wiren: Concert Overture, Op. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI4L7vGzR7k&list=OLAK5uy_nsF9bNFflHfCyjzWYJXqZ_f90CqaKL7yc&index=8Wiren: Concert Overture, Op. 16https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OM026-DDIo&list=OLAK5uy_nsF9bNFflHfCyjzWYJXqZ_f90CqaKL7yc&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nsF9bNFflHfCyjzWYJXqZ_f90CqaKL7ycSymphonies and overtures from a lesser-known 20th century composer well within the post-romantic idiom.
>>131112779https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RquC9FYJit8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILWgdc0vfbshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L6CxUpBZlY
>Scriabin: 24 Préludes, Op. 11: 24 Preludes, Op. 11: No. 1 - No. 4 - No. 5 - No. 6 - No. 9 - No. 10 - No. 13 - No. 14 - No. 15 - No. 16 - No. 23 - No. 24but why? give me the complete thing or a couple thrown into a mixed program, but half of them of an out of order selection in a row? what's the point?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goPuPRPti90&list=OLAK5uy_kruZMMIGrafRSA1BW4ldf6MaENtykxFPA&index=2anyway, i might do my own survey of recordings of Scriabin's 24 Preludes, Op. 11, sounds fun.
>>131113391er, not out of order, but nonconsecutive, i meant. like if it was 1-12 or 13-24, okay, i could understand that. or like i said, a few of them mixed on a program with some of the sonatas and etudes and mazurkas and fantasy as commonly happens, okay, pick your favorites, that's fine. but half of them in an abridged version? that's just lame
let's start with this one, performed by Elena Kuschnerova, which also includes the brilliant 12 Etudes, Op. 8.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJqHSfH223I&list=OLAK5uy_kngHMX_OfYfMtf1GT9lOS6L6xBFdjY-PM&index=18anyway, if anyone has recommendations for recordings of Scriabin's 24 Preludes, Op. 11, I'm all ears!
Whoever the other day said Beethoven's 19th and 20th piano sonatas suck, you are wrong! I love them both.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5052SCKvmwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzZ22bGLSqc
>>131112996>>131113307Fuck ya >>131112968Thank you champ
Béla Bartók.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h808Kuc10w
>>131112779>thinks two years is a long timeare you 14>>131112748fuck off>>131111347we love Bruckner here, namefag
>>131113856So true brucknersister
time to begin the Mandelring Quartet's cycle of Shostakovich's String Quartetshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXLapSA7Y3U&list=OLAK5uy_ktzv70jyvibCok21Nw8KDH7aXU4MYa2PM&index=1
tired of symphonies and orchestral music (again); chamber music is my new best friend (again)
Béla freaking Bartók baby.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orU96EALeIU
Brahms... just kidding, it's Bartók again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFoa5nFA--s
>>131113856>>131113864yeah, he's the best
now playingstart of Nielsen: String Quartet No. 1 in G Minor, Op. 13, FS 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVYecPzqa1A&list=OLAK5uy_mNvRHEHsjYEDrX6ESwRDesYI8DWlsSPPc&index=2start of Nielsen: String Quartet No. 4 in F Major, Op. 44, FS 36https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJCbKaSPn5I&list=OLAK5uy_mNvRHEHsjYEDrX6ESwRDesYI8DWlsSPPc&index=6start of Nielsen: Little Suite for Strings, Op. 1, FS 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV26ntHZ9_8&list=OLAK5uy_mNvRHEHsjYEDrX6ESwRDesYI8DWlsSPPc&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mNvRHEHsjYEDrX6ESwRDesYI8DWlsSPPc
>>131116158Are you imagining yourself as the genius or as the retard?
>>131116158tru
Basil Poledourishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnVk6pysCZ8
>>131116184As the midwit.
Whenever I see 'world premiere" on the cover of a recording next to a piece composed in the early 20th century or whatever, it turns me off a bit because you gotta figure it the piece was worthwhile, it would have been performed and recorded at some point prior.
Pesek's Mahlerhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=7tJc4F4U9EY>Pesek's Ninth is one of the very best around. Not only does the orchestra play like their lives depended on it, the interpretation has numerous imaginative touches--particularly the rapt treatment of the third movement's quiet central section, with its foreshadowing of the melody of the great final Adagio.--David Hurwitz
>>131116381I just happen to be in the mood for the 9th today. Thanks, I'll peep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yf68oZIyBI&list=OLAK5uy_kngHMX_OfYfMtf1GT9lOS6L6xBFdjY-PM&index=5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iCRGyx7SUQ&list=OLAK5uy_kngHMX_OfYfMtf1GT9lOS6L6xBFdjY-PM&index=6how did he do it anons ;_;
Scriabin's formula is simple, he either just modifies Chopin or adds more stacked 4ths, syncopation and edgy expressive markings to make it seem "mysterious".
>>131116531>he either just modifies Chopinyes and that's a GOOD thing
hot take: Scriabin's Etudes > Chopin's Etudes
now playingstart of Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No. 1 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 23https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqFFqixIg3I&list=OLAK5uy_m24SxbAwU26ov7TeWY53_oO7Huahzm97o&index=2Liszt: Années de pèlerinage, Troisième année "Italie", S. 163: No. 4, Les jeux d'eaux á la Villa d'Este https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezWdWNk1uAE&list=OLAK5uy_m24SxbAwU26ov7TeWY53_oO7Huahzm97o&index=5Liszt: Années de pèlerinage, Deuxième année, "Italie", S. 161: V. Sonetto 104 del Petrarcahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jj_N7mvesI&list=OLAK5uy_m24SxbAwU26ov7TeWY53_oO7Huahzm97o&index=6Liszt: Réminiscences de Don Juan, S. 418https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycm9tJD5Jw0&list=OLAK5uy_m24SxbAwU26ov7TeWY53_oO7Huahzm97o&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m24SxbAwU26ov7TeWY53_oO7Huahzm97o>George LI gained international attention in 2015 when he won the silver medal in the International Tchaikovsky Competition in Moscow. Now he has recorded one of Tchaikovsky's greatest and best-loved works, the Piano Concerto No 1 with the London Philharmonic Orchestra and conductor Vasily Petrenko. The New York Times has called him a "real revelation" in the work. It is complemented by three solo pieces by Liszt, a composer who featured on his debut Warner Classics recital, judged "a winner" by International Piano magazine.It's the conductor, Vasily Petrenko, that really sells me on trying this recording. I've loved just about everything he's done, especially in the Russian repertoire.
friendly reminder to always make sure you've filtered all tripfags and namefags
>>131116622genuinely who cares>filtering on 4chan>ever
>>131113094Kek, this.
>>131116634put your trip back on, faggot
>>131116652>implying
>>131116674no, stating
>>131116684>declaiming
>>131105485more like nocturds
Favorite recording(s) of Schubert's last three string quartets?
>>131116622based>>131116634literally only a tripfaggot would say this
>>131116984
>>131108640Mah, working class but I love sexual baroque music with HIP ornamentation
>>131108640you're embarrassingly out of touch with reality
There is not a single bar of "classical music" in The Ring—not a note in it that has any other point than the single direct point of giving musical expression to the drama. In classical music there are, as the analytical programs tell us, first subjects and second subjects, free fantasias, recapitulations, and codas; there are fugues, with counter-subjects, strettos, and pedal points; there are passacaglias on ground basses, canons ad hypodiapente, and other ingenuities, which have, after all, stood or fallen by their prettiness as much as the simplest folk-tune. Wagner is never driving at anything of this sort any more than Shakespeare in his plays is driving at such ingenuities of verse-making as sonnets, triolets, and the like. And this is why he is so easy for the natural musician who has had no academic teaching. The professors, when Wagner's music is played to them, exclaim at once "What is this? Is it aria, or recitative? Is there no cabaletta to it—not even a full close? Why was that discord not prepared; and why does he not resolve it correctly? How dare he indulge in those scandalous and illicit transitions into a key that has not one note in common with the key he has just left? Listen to those false relations! What does he want with six drums and eight horns when Mozart worked miracles with two of each? The man is no musician." The layman neither knows nor cares about any of these things. If Wagner were to turn aside from his straightforward dramatic purpose to propitiate the professors with correct exercises in sonata form, his music would at once become unintelligible to the unsophisticated spectator, upon whom the familiar and dreaded "classical" sensation would descend like the influenza. Nothing of the kind need be dreaded. The unskilled, untaught musician may approach Wagner boldly; for there is no possibility of a misunderstanding between them: The Ring music is perfectly single and simple.
>>131113947I am loving this set so farhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLbgTO9Lq4E&list=OLAK5uy_ktzv70jyvibCok21Nw8KDH7aXU4MYa2PM&index=18For as much as I've always enjoyed Shostakovich's string quartets, I don't think I've ever listened this many consecutively in a single evening before. Their performances are really hitting the spot!
>>131117705I dig it.
>anti-music ghoulserialism is the biggest scam in history
>mfw listening to a Bach Cello Suite set and at the end of the melodic line, the female cellist lets out a full, erotic exhale>mfw her hot breaths throughout the rest of her performancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz938ChPncI&list=OLAK5uy_kh5zx2HyYvSWZXVGbV4zIAqOfhCEUvtZ4&index=2
truth icbm: prokofiev's piano sonatas > scriabin's piano sonatas
Schubert's 15th String Quartet, D. 887, is quite strange. No wonder it never caught on to the same extent as his Rosamunde and Death and the Maiden string quartets.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COORLRYf8VcWhat do you guys think? Underappreciated genius or inferior to the 13th and 14th? What it lacks in the usual brilliant, mellifluous melodies, it trades for complex harmony and dense, unique architecture. Personally I'm not sure where I stand on it, I'm much more familiar with the other two. The 15th contains more secrets for me to unlock.
Andras Schiff's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBVQtoHtzWE&list=OLAK5uy_mdPriQmCvpAMEo3IRgkiAtx7VApGX2ZP0&index=1
Tchaikovskyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBhiUN6TfW8&list=OLAK5uy_la8-xNRZ4BKPCXivOuPVJfQc5cJIxNfkE&index=3
>>131120259It is perfection. The greatest quartet I've ever heard next to Death and the Maiden.You're wrong that it's not melodic, in fact it's entirely driven by the melody and that's the point. He broke free from motivic limitations and started relying on pure melody, embarcing romanticism and surpassing everything the chamber genre had to offer beforehand. The cohesiveness comes from subtle harmonic and structural gestures and organic lyricism which expand on motifs, not Beethovenian autistic spam of the same motifs.
As someone who is, at heart, a classicist, I’ve always preferred Bruckner to Wagner. Of Wagner’s works, I really only love Parsifal. The other operas do have brilliant themes, but in my opinion, even in Tristan, these themes are overused and don’t sustain the piece over its entire length, which unfortunately leads to a sense of monotony.
>>131120750This is the kind of response I was hoping for (and am generally hoping for when making these kinds of posts). I'll spend the next couple days with it, see if it clicks on a transcendent, sublime level. I mean obviously I think it's good, I've just always preferred the other two myself.
post >yfw book 3 of liszt's annees de pelerinagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqu9TdpJBeY&list=OLAK5uy_m8U0POVu6b7VvQX04nBrS6idiIw6JAPv4&index=23
>>131116531>he either just modifies Chopin'Modify' usually implies improving something, therefore you are correct.>>131116553Not really that hot a take. Chopin's Etudes were revolutionary, but purely as a listening experience? Scriabin's are sublime.
>>131121239>'Modify' usually implies improving somethingIt really doesn't.
Some of the Scriabin's etudes are masterpieces, but others are meandering mediocrity. Whereas Chopin's are almost all top-notch.That is to be expected when the composer values quantity above quality, Scriabin did not know when to pause and think, in every opus he had a few great ideas and went ahead to compose 12 with bunch of fillers.
>write an oratorio>call it a symphony
>>131116622>Bruckner cuck seething>>131120259Schubert's 15th is probably the only one I truly love. The rest are fine.>>131120462based>>131121538kekCarl Maria von Weber is the greatest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMJLJyfTGZQ
Operas are concertos for the voice if you think about it. Wagner's 3 act operas are actually concertos with 3 really long movements. The overtures are the orchestral opening tutti
Why did conservatives hate wagner anyways? His music is just sonata allegro applied to opera.
>>131100844Oh, he was a "20th century composer" alright lmao, nothing wrong with that title as a descriptor for him at all.
>>131122670You're not fitting in
>>131123345Its true though, think about it.
>>131122961You either do not understand what sonata-allegro means or you just have not listened to Wagner.
now playingstart of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 6 in B Minor, Op. 54https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TijGt9mzvqI&list=OLAK5uy_kSYqxckke2IGWhrcEwyxkVf983ZJj6PZA&index=2start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 6 in F Major, Op. 68https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No-nQmRb6Ew&list=OLAK5uy_kSYqxckke2IGWhrcEwyxkVf983ZJj6PZA&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kSYqxckke2IGWhrcEwyxkVf983ZJj6PZA
>>131122961Same reason conservative English literary critics in the 17th century wanted to burn the country down when someone didn't use rhymes in their Epic or there was one too many characters or the plot deviated even slightly from the conventional form: the men of the arts had a stick up their butt with their many silly rules and it's best we not concern ourselves with their arbitrary concerns of madness.
>>131121406It usually does.>>131121449>Some of the Scriabin's etudes are masterpiecesYes.>but others are meandering mediocrityWhich ones specifically? Name them and explain what you think fails in them.>Whereas Chopin's are almost all top-notch.Some are masterpieces, some are just fine music. Hardly unusual in collections of dozens of pieces. I definitely wouldn't call all of them equally inspired. Op. 10 No. 2 is essentially a chromatic exercise that I don't hear as a masterpiece on the level of his finest miniatures.Even Op. 10 No. 3, which contains one of the most beautiful melodies he ever wrote, has a bravura middle section that I find awkward, rhetorically overblown and unnecessarily loud. To me, it's a compositional weakness typical of early Romantic showmanship. Even Chopin, the genius that he was, couldn't escape it.There's often a strange asymmetry here. With Chopin, people sometimes pretend as though expressing any reservation about an individual section, let alone an entire piece, is sacrilegious, whereas with composers like Scriabin they casually dismiss entire stretches of his output as filler without even identifying the pieces they mean. This starts to look less and less like genuine criticism and more like performative contrarianism or prestige bias. Chopin hardly needs this kind of PR, with his entire catalogue protected from criticism.
>>131121449>>131124450>That is to be expected when the composer values quantity above qualityThis is frankly a very strange thing to say about Scriabin. He wasn't even remotely a quantity-over-quality composer. Both his and Chopin's catalogue reach Op. 74, although Chopin's numbers were boosted posthumously. Opus numbers aren't that useful, sure, but there's clearly no enormous disparity that supports what you're claiming. Obviously, not everything Scriabin wrote is equally successful, but that's true of Chopin as well. Portraying Scriabin as some compulsively prolific composer who padded his collections with filler is simply bizarre.>in every opus he had a few great ideas and went ahead to compose 12 with bunch of fillersAgain, which pieces are you talking about specifically? If you mean Op. 8, name the supposed fillers. Otherwise this is just a vague generalization.
modifyverbmod·i·fy ˈmä-də-ˌfī modified; modifyingtransitive verb1: to make less extreme : moderate… traffic rules were modified to let him pass …—Van Wyck Brooks2a: to limit or restrict the meaning of especially in a grammatical constructionIn the phrase "the red hat," the adjective "red" modifies the noun "hat."b: to change (a vowel) by umlaut3a: to make minor changes inhad to modify his planmodified the recipe by using oil instead of butterb: to make basic or fundamental changes in often to give a new orientation to or to serve a new endthe wing of a bird is an arm modified for flying
>>131121449>Some of the Scriabin's etudes are masterpieces, but others are meandering mediocrity. Whereas Chopin's are almost all top-notch.I think Scriabin's Etudes work better as a holistic work whereas Chopin's are better individually. So yes I agree with you, but it balances out.
>>131119513Incredible how 120 years later he's still filtering retards.
Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCM2rdeASZc&list=OLAK5uy_n-DRos36zZydaTNVxBsWaCXuTAfGIaGVo&index=33gonna spend all day listening to this set
>>131124450>It usually does.Incorrect, it usually doesn't, by its very definition.
Some contemporary string quartets I just discovered. Check it out!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfSsy3SOanY&list=OLAK5uy_nDrqAas0KLakf8rW1075A5IrdVBRWeItw&index=10>For Guggenheim Fellow composer Elena Ruehr the appeal of the string quartet lies in the ability of four instruments to express an infinite range of emotional possibilities, to communicate across time. Her six string quartets attest to her enthusiasm for musical time-travel: echoes of Perotin, Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Dvorak, Schoenberg and jazz are there, but the musical language is purely her own. Elenas Six String Quartets are a magnum opus, three of them commissioned by the Cypress String Quartet, two by the Rockport Chamber Music Festival, and one an ASCAP Award winner. sumptuously scored and full of soaring melodies and piquant harmonies. (The New York Times) Music with heart and a forceful sense of character and expression. (The Washington Post)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHRdmXX5hNwJudith! Judith!
>>131123386ok I will think about ithmmmmnope, you're a retard
>>131124473>>131124473Granted, my original statement was a little too strong and universal. It was deliberately reactive and then I simply doubled down. However, dumping the Merriam-Webster definitions doesn't establish that the word never or rarely suggests improvement. Cambridge actually defines modify as changing something slightly "usually to improve it or make it more acceptable".>>131124618This, on the other hand, is simply unrealistic and downright false.
chopin is music for people who don't even like classical, like tchaikovsky
>>131124671of course the liberal sissies over at cambridge would use a definition like that.......
>>131124647I'm still holding off on trying this opera, along with Schoenberg's Moses und Aron and Glass' Einstein on the Beach, and a couple other avant-operas.
>>131124691You got me there. Please accept my concession.
>>131124696It's not all that avant-garde desu, think more his Concerto for Orchestra and less his string quartets.
It's amazing who runtimes of Schubert's works can vary so much because of the repeats and repetition. Right now I'm looking for new recordings of his 15th String Quartet to try, and there are some recordings where the first movement is ~21minutes, somewhere it's ~16minutes, and this one I just came across is a shocking barely shy of 12minutes! What is going on, lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEaTRaroRpE&list=OLAK5uy_kMNuCFgsxYul6tax7PRIBukOGfkhY-LO8&index=50
Just saw a post on another website that said "When you're enjoying a Brahms piece and it gets to the part that he made bad on purpose." Uhm... that guy was joking, right?
>>131124763I will never, ever understand people who don't like Brahms -- or rather, think Brahms' music is ugly. I've heard some say it comes across as too formal, as contrived and unnatural? Utter nonsense.
now playingstart of Schubert: String Quartet in D Major, D. 94https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ1GjHEsNI4&list=OLAK5uy_l_74Y1WvnrfsA6lW2djxiWqABHfJ2i2cQ&index=2Schubert: Andante in C Major, D. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA3R5Dnwhrw&list=OLAK5uy_l_74Y1WvnrfsA6lW2djxiWqABHfJ2i2cQ&index=6start of Schubert: String Quartet in A Minor, D. 804 "Rosamunde"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc1L3flnYLU&list=OLAK5uy_l_74Y1WvnrfsA6lW2djxiWqABHfJ2i2cQ&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l_74Y1WvnrfsA6lW2djxiWqABHfJ2i2cQ>Formed in Munich in 1996, the young Diogenes Quartet stands as one of the most acclaimed ensembles of it's generation. Here they perform with aplomb, combining freshness of interpretation with technical mastery to create superlative readings that document the beginnings of Schubert's chamber music career. A prestigious project: the recording of the complete string quartets of Franz Schubert, by the German Diogenes Quartet. Recorded in July 2012, Himmelfahrtskirche, München-Sendling. The German Diogenes Quartet has already recorded extensively, in rare repertoire of Humperdinck, Haas and Gernsheim for CPO and Brilliant Classics, this new release of "standard" repertoire present their excellent qualities: clear structures, long tension lines, tight and immaculate ensemble playing, and a passionate drive to deliver the emotional content of the works they love to play.I guess time to find out if Schubert's earlier string quartets are third-rate, unworthwhile juvenilia or if there are any gems in there, since the Diogenes Quartet, on these releases, paired each late quartet with an earlier one, and it'd feel rude to skip to the one I want.
>>131124644This is pretty good! Based on my limited experience with contemporary composers and pieces, it seems the trend is away from the unlistenable, overly academic intellectual curiosities which dominated the post-WW2 era to once again creating stuff that's actually accessible and tuneful. I know if I were a contemporary composer, that's what I'd be doing.
Why is the BSO making such a big deal about Andris Nelsons getting fired? I thought he was supposed to suck.Also, damn this nigga has lost a lot of weight. When I saw him a few years ago, he was fat as shit.
>>131124671>This, on the other hand, is simply unrealistic and downright false.Incorrect. Cambridge dictionary is for midwits anyway, merriam-webster is the way to go.
>>131125220All dictionaries are for midwits, midwit.
>>131124668Think about it harder then until you agree thdn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QElT9KD4uX8Conductor: Fritz ReinerOrchestra: Chicago Symphony OrchestraComposer: Béla Bartók
>>131125165He was looking much better when I saw him conduct Mahler's 8th back in 2024Nelsons and the BSO are doing Mahler's 3rd next April, I can't wait
>>131124685>chopinyou mean tchaikovsky>tchaikovskyyou mean vivaldi
>>131124548sonatas 5 to 8 are where it's at
>>131124763>>131124775i've never met anyone who talks about brahms like this and i hope i never will
>>131125260Incorrect.
>>131125516Whatever you say, midwit. Keep arguing about fucking dictionaries, kek.
>>131125434Weird, I also saw him in '24, and I remember thinking he had a giant potbelly. Either he lost weight quickly, or I was hallucinating.
>>131125588Thanks for your concerns sister.
>>131125641We now live in the age of GLP-2, anon. Everyone gettin' skinny now.
>>131125652Yeah, but in five months? (Berlioz "Romeo and Juliet" to Mahler 8.)
>>131125711He also could be smokin' meth in the bathroom, hence why he's not getting renewed. Same thing happened to me once.
>tfw have to write a 300 word essay on the intellectual meaning and emotional effect of Mahler's 9th that's due tomorrow and haven't even startedi'm fucked
>>131125746Seriously? 300 words? That's like half an hour of work.
>>131125729If he's not going to share, I'm glad he's getting canned.
>>131125508It's a fairly common opinion.
>>131125866half an hour of writing is like 5 minutes of having my hand on a stove
>>131125948Which is why God gave us ChatGPT.
>>131125641>>131125652>>131125711>>131125729He had a really baggy black shirt on so who knows. He kinda looks like a goblin, so I doubt his potbelly was hallucinated.
now playingSchubert: Overture in B-Flat Major, D. 470: Adagio maestoso - Allegrohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmWqoTC1YXA&list=OLAK5uy_npZ5Aa8InhBZ4Tt4b2hCdzrY4wBEymDSE&index=2start of Schubert: String Quartet in B-Flat Major, D. 112https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uB8YRe8WYI&list=OLAK5uy_npZ5Aa8InhBZ4Tt4b2hCdzrY4wBEymDSE&index=3start of Schubert: String Quartet in E Major, D. 353https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPJtDaj82Yc&list=OLAK5uy_npZ5Aa8InhBZ4Tt4b2hCdzrY4wBEymDSE&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_npZ5Aa8InhBZ4Tt4b2hCdzrY4wBEymDSE>The second installment of the recording of Schubert's complete string quartets by the German Diogenes Quartet, featuring two early quartets: The B-flat D112 and the E major D353, 'Hausmusik.' It includes a world premiere for the Overture D470, an orchestral piece in Italian style, arranged for string quartet by Schubert and completed for this recording by musicologist Christian Starke.Continuing with the Diogenes Quartet's cycle of Schubert's string quartets. Amusing this volume doesn't have any ratings on Amazon because it doesn't contain any of the famous late quartets, and instead is anchored by the 11th, D. 353. (of course, most of the ratings and reviews are on the complete box set that contains all the volumes, but most of other volumes, certainly all the ones which contain a late quartet, have their own ratings and reviews, is my point)
>>131125935i feel nothing but pity and scorn
>tfw have to write a 100 word essay due tomorrow comparing the romantic poetry of Wordsworth to the music of Chopin, and I haven't startedit's so over
Boring Brahms. Got a nice ring to it.
>>131126436Listening to Brahms has an even nicer ring.
You know who has the nicest Ring of them all?
>>131126436I prefer Loving Brahms <3
>>131126572mirror mirror on the wall...
>>131125956ChatGPT is terrible at essays, unless you've mastered prompting I guess, it's good for learning to write essays and analyzing though.
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyljqMxCUj4&list=OLAK5uy_nmYlo8ruQ1SQuALgo9IqPBMmaftlxnw24&index=5
>>131126621the second is easily his worst.
>>131126637I've always really liked it. It's relaxing and beautiful. Brahms' pastoral.
>>131126562Wagner has an even niver ring
>Have to write a 1 word essay on Chopin due in one billion yearsit is over
>>131126614>it's good for learning to write essays and analyzing though"That matters."-Chatgpt
>Have to write a 67 word essay on Chopin due in 67 daysit is over
>orchestral musicMahler.>piano musicChopin.>chamber musicSchubert.>operaWagner.>choral musicBach.Should I write an essay on it?
>>131126988what about lieder and concertos?
>>131127001Lieder is just a small-scale opera (aria) and concerto is a type of orchestral music.
>>131127010so where are the wagner lieder and the mahler concertos?
>>131126988>orchestral musicChopin.>piano musicBach.>chamber musicWagner.>operaSchubert.>choral musicMahler.
>>131127025right here!*unzips*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzxnA-DUrSQ
>>131127033lel
>>131126988>orchestralBeethoven>piano musicBeethoven>chamber musicBrahms>operaWeber>choral musicBachhttps://youtu.be/1VhA_hrVQBI?si=0vuwCtOpc52AcMwV
>>131127166
>>131124548why do you hate yourself so
>>131125349still no>>131125956hope you're being ironic, otherwise that's pretty sad
Voice concertos are concertos for the voice if you think about it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ls9iZs8TyU
>>131127358>FouldsI love that little nigga like you wouldn't believe
>>131126988>>orchestral musicStravinsky>>piano musicDebussy>>chamber musicMozart, Couperin, Ravel>>operaNone>>choral musicJosquin, Gesualdo, Charpentier
>>131126988on what, normie opinions?
>>131127196I have a soft spot for complete cycles, giving one the chance to experience a unified vision of interpretation and performance. Which isn't to say I'll like just any, but I'll give it the benefit-of-the-doubt, and so far, pretty good. And it's handy because I'm focused on listening to the non-sonata pieces, which the set is especially convenient for.
so fucking tired of piano faggotry
>>131128726ok but that set is an utter disaster and it should be avoided; why subject yourself to the entire length of it?
>>131128770I trust Mr. Distler.
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHYiHw2QpAw&list=OLAK5uy_nW44ogE8BerZ-FKlMjgwncnu3Qb5OhPqI&index=1>After the highly acclaimed recording of the complete Mozart piano sonatas, pianist William Youn, who was born in South Korea and has been living in Munich for many years, is now devoting himself to a new major project - the complete recording of all piano sonatas by Franz Schubert. On the first album, the pianist spans a wide arc from the first to the last sonata: On the first CD of this album, he starts with the last, the great B-flat Major Sonata D. 960 from Schubert's year of death in 1828 - and contrasts it's sometimes dreamy sounds with the fresh, self-confident first Sonata in E Major D. 157, which was written within a few weeks in 1815. The second CD follows with the light Sonata No. 13 in A Major D. 664, the mysterious conglomerate of Sonata No. 9 in F-sharp Minor D 571 / 604 / 570, without the unfinished fourth movement, and finally the momentous Sonata No. 14 in A minor D. 784 - a work of astringency and severity rather unusual for Schubert.Randomly discovered this pianist. He seems to have a complete set of Mozart's and Schubert's piano sonatas, so should be fun exploring both.
tonights listenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RENB8OsGWJ8
>>131128957It's a good one! Can't go wrong with anything the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra recorded.
>>131128788well if you somehow can't trust your ears I guess you need an alternative guide huh
One thing that is lost with digital libraries is the fun and experience of boxsets. There's something nice about having the large amount of music spread across multiple discs, it demarcates and highlights each selection. "Oh I really liked the pieces on that third disc!" Now it's 200 tracks on a single playlist that just plays for five hours straight while you play Overwatch or browse messageboards and social media, and you get lost in the blob. Weak.
>>131129264Distler's rating just means I'm willing to give it a second, even third try if necessary. I'm still making up my mind about it.
>the poor souls who began as violin majors in conservatory and ended up in the viola section of a C-tier orchestra playing gacha game music at the game awards, making ends meet on weekends by playing Bach Air at lesbian weddings
>>131129567better than posting images of cartoon girls as representations of oneself on a 2003 cartoon forum
>>131129567>>131129603kek, not sure which is funnier
>>131129567Getting paid to play is already a big win imo. Musicians already struggle, no need to downplay the hustle
>>131129567c'est la vie
>>131128788>>131129357all I'm hearing is that you don't know enough about Scriabin, piano playing, or music in general, to realise you're listening to aural garbage. If you're so willing to subsidize your opinion on music to random people on the internet, might as well listen to those who've spent time and effort explaining, score in hand, why Lettberg is an utter failure, and switch to some better set.
>>131129783well, >>131129567 isn't funny, so probably the other one
hey FAGGOTS, I'm listening to pic related, Max REGER's seven sonatas for SOLO VIOLIN, OPUS NINETY-ONE, and ENJOYING IT, and there's NOTHING you fucks can do about it. NOTHING. How does THAT feel, HUH? Not so CLEVER now, EH?
>>131129567lesbian weddings are immense fun, imagine getting to be on one *every weekend*, and getting paid for it? living the life
Scriabin piano sonata rankings???
>>131129783>>131129813Posts like that aren't necessarily trying to be funny, they're trying to make you feel, which for me, it was successful. I enjoyed it. It was a good post.
>>131129878what about them
>>131129888curious the order in which anons would rank them, especially since we rank Beethoven's and Bruckner's and Mahler's symphonies all the time
>>131129886how's your enjoyment relevant to knowing which one is funnier
>>131129901what's curious about that
>>131129878>>1311299015 > 8 > 6 > 10 > 4 > 3 > 9 > 2 > 1 > 7
>>131129830I wasn't expecting the greatest burn/comeback known to man: Indifference. Drats, foiled again!
>>131129830Gonna give Reger credit for being one of the few composers willing to take Bach on in the genre of solo violin and solo celo.
>>131129972Solo violin is a task fit solely for the greatest germans: Bach, Reger, and Hindemith.
>>131129813>t. viola player in a video game orchestra that plays at lesbian weddings on weekends
>>131130234I fucking wish, my dude, to be set for life doing fun shit and getting paid for it
Am I deaf or are the pizziacato intros in Bruckner 5 totally unlistenable in most recordings? I can only truly hear them in Wand's Berlin one.
>>131129878>S tier4, 7, fantasy in B >A tier 9, 10, Vers la flamme>B tier5, 8, 2,>C tier3, 6, 1
chiakovski kinda nice wit the piano musichttps://youtu.be/zjN4o0fS68U?si=2MWxoGQaLtKAWjMD
>>131129830So? Are they good?
now playingstart of Brahms: String Sextet No. 1 in B Flat Major, Op. 18https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vXu34IkbE&list=OLAK5uy_k6DH3crcyUpM9iXdk6Qr340W8AIk2frUk&index=33start of Brahms: String Sextet No. 2 in G Major, Op. 36https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_yCHWG34F8&list=OLAK5uy_k6DH3crcyUpM9iXdk6Qr340W8AIk2frUk&index=36https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k6DH3crcyUpM9iXdk6Qr340W8AIk2frUk>>131130977I've been trying to tell you guys! Lovely piece.
>>131130702>S tier>fantasy in Bhmm true
>tfw want to fall asleep to opera>if I start at the beginning, I might fall asleep before I get to Act 3>if I start at Act 3, the piece might end before I fall asleeplife is struggle, life is pain
max reger would make for a really good alias
>>131131744Extremely hedonistic problems
>>131131833>>131129972Reger was the only composer in the same league as JS. Bach and I want people to acknowledge that. now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GIASCCPHiY&t=489
>>131129789most musicians deserve to suffer, except for theorists and composers.t. conservatory student
>>131131947Post some of your compositions and/or analyses.
>>131131953>doxx yourselfhow about no.
>>131131960You put musical ciphers that reveal your location into all of your compositions?
>>131131978anything could happen. Once you get to know them, performance students and professional performers in general are just shitty people who wasted their time practicing on an instrument.Their pathetic lives are a giant sunk cost fallacy. They know that I know it and they act accordingly.
What is the musical equivalent of Folgers?
>>131132041Haydn symphonies. cheap and uplifting
>>131132105meant for: >>131132079
>>131132041that other guy is right actually, maybe listening to some haydn symphonies will help with your terrible attitude
>>131131947>>131131960>>131132041Post a basic chorale
>>131132211silence, flesh bag.>>131132510here you go. I can write a more complicated one too if you wish.https://vocaroo.com/11Io4LK8U4m7
I've always liked that descending motif in Scriabin's 9th, it sounds so sinister, one of the most evil moments in music surely. Spinechilling. Although there are some bland sections in the 9th that don't live up to expectations after that sweet opening.
>>131132681op 63 no. 1 is another creepy piece you should check out.
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