Feinberg's Harem editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTgl8E35Np0This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131434162
One hears such sounds and what can one say, but... Scriabin!
>>131459997Fuck the other thread. If you can't be arsed to put the fucking name of the general on the subject line then it's not really a general. I hate that fucking guy. Also maho more like my whore.Post what you're listening tohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQdr1zHf3AQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8vkxWth30ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DLN12IG4bQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ebBT1_G4Os
>>131460103I do love that Debussy set. I see Ciccolini has a complete Beethoven piano sonatas cycle too. I wonder if it's any good.
>>131460103Correct. Since we're on topic of facts, let's acknowledge Chopin supremacyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-KYmOtQvhAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1wojHcRBdIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko46BlJRkko
>>131460113I've listened to six or seven (studio) Bergamasques and he does it better by far. It's not even funny. Arrau drags the corpse of Clair De Lune around camp for *seven* minutes. Bastard, what did it ever do to you? >>131460125damn, wish I could, but I can't appreciate his supremacy over all that hiss and pop and fzzz and flat, blurred mono sound
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn8WNwB1zEI&list=OLAK5uy_kHAqgTRQqidXbDC7NCNfP0XdHyeGdcuE4&index=13>>131460142>damn, wish I could, but I can't appreciate his supremacy over all that hiss and pop and fzzz and flat, blurred mono soundbased
>>131460080>I guess it might be time I finally learn to appreciate Mozart's piano concertos. Are all of them good or just 19/17 and up?I've been told that the good stuff starts at around No14
>>131460253I can see that. I decided to start at 11. I'm enjoying it so far. >>131460153
>Best Das Rheingold DVD?sadly Boringboim, probably
As posted in the other thread Mozarts 9th Piano concerto is the best one.
Brahms 4 is the greatest symphony
>>131460543It's certainly the greatest Brahms symphony
>>131460543Mogged by:Mahler 9Schumann 3Mahler 6Mahler 5Beethoven 3Mahler 3Bruckner 8But yeah, it's pretty close.
>>131460447there is not other thread
>>131460543Beethoven 4*
>>131460600Correct.
>>131460608Let's be serious here
>>131460543Correct.
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGDSSOsZzMc&list=OLAK5uy_mZgk3TiRpiN3gemm2CaN1oKfuF8IpKjFA&index=5
>>131460543not even the best symphony of 1884
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_HZ_TXekz0&list=OLAK5uy_mkjsu96nNXKhsP_JgkiPwCoumR2Rgfv5U&index=1
>>131460812damn righthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK8ypH0-TOM
>>131460851>Pianist Lim Dong-hyek hospitalized after distressing social media post>Pianist Lim Dong-hyek was taken to the hospital on Monday hours after posting a message on social media that appeared to suggest an intent to harm himself, prompting a police response.https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10637477>At 7:34 a.m. that morning, the 41-year-old shared a message on Instagram, including several photos of a handwritten letter. The letter contained a confession of his long battle with severe depression and an expression of thanks to his supporters. The language prompted worry among followers and acquaintances.>“Throughout my life as a performer, I have suffered from severe depression, and since 2015 I have taken antidepressants every single day without fail," the pianist wrote.>“In fact, the reason many performers are prone to becoming mentally fragile is that after receiving applause from thousands of people, they then return alone to a hotel room, and the sense of dissonance that comes from that is simply too great," he continued.>“Especially in my case, it may have been even harder to endure because I am someone who is innately very prone to loneliness. Because of that, I relied heavily on alcohol and also enjoyed drinking and nightlife. But in the end, music was everything to me."Damn! I looked this guy up because he started off releasing a bunch of recordings when he was 20-30, and then all of a sudden stopped. He kept performing live, but still, I wanted to see what the deal was. This explains it. Sad.
>>131460887> the reason many performers are prone to becoming mentally fragile is that after receiving applause from thousands of people, they then return alone to a hotel room, and the sense of dissonance that comes from that is simply too greatimagine if this guy had been part of a kpop band instead, he'd have set himself on fire 20 years ago
would it be okay if i started spelling it 'schopin' ?
>>131460887He's literally me, except I got hooked on heroin which stunts creativity and motivation entirely. I knew I should have become an alcoholic and gotten on antidepressants instead... oh well. In the next life.
>>131460887KWAB
>>131460887>relied heavily on alcohol and also enjoyed drinkingdamn, alcohol AND drinking???
Mahler 9 morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXeNJCn0dRs&list=OLAK5uy_kfWJspr5hfj-l90N68iw9iVtb8xWq5RD0&index=52
>>131460982Koreans Will Always Barbecue>>131461004>Semen Bitchwhat a name
oh, oh no...
>>131461051I'm not reading that shit; explain what made you think it was a worthwhile post
>>131461004I'm so excited for this Mahler 9 listen, I took less of my usual medicine so I can actually feel my emotions and follow along with a clear mind. Once it's over, then I'll take more and get high and turn myself into a zombie for the rest of the day.
>>131461088>not smoking before listening to itdo you even like music bro
>>131461088Lim Dong Sama...
>>131461079It's classical related, it's amusing, and deeply human in its sympathy for social disaster. Plus it's well-written. Give it a read, you won't regret it.
>>131461104kek
>>131461109No
>>131461136Oh, okay... one more entreaty: it takes place during a Chopin sonata!
>>131461144Summarize it, and make it funny. And don't use chatShittyPiss.
>>131461155>dance for me, monkey
>>131461155It's just about a guy who claps during a piano recital after the third movement of Chopin's Funeral March, thinking it's over when it's not. Read it, don't read it. It's enjoyable. Just trying to share some literature with you anons.
>>131461051this is the kind of stuff that makes me understand people who think that bourgeois realism is decadent and philistine
>people cannot even read a page of a short story anymoreit's so over>>131461181hmm?
>>131461170Exactly>>131461177>it's about someone clappingWow thank fuck I didn't bother
>>131461189I won't read anything if I have no incentive to do so, doesn't matter if it's a paragraph or a novel. Do you read anything that's put in front of you? Do you become enthralled when someone rattles keys in front of your face?
>>131461181It's not a page from Proust or Henry James... it's a situation anyone can find themselves in. What's your problem with it?
>>131461205Okay, anon. I'm sad you won't read it. That's fine. I just thought you all would enjoy it. Let's move on.
more like when someone simon rattles keys in front of your face hehe
When Chopin and Mendelssohn were playing to Princesses and Queens, Wagner was living on the streets. Wagner was a loser. Jealous of the two Romantic gods.
>>131461285What were Chopin and Mendelssohn doing in Queens
>>131461285>living on the streetsnah he was leeching off of the few people who actually cared about him
>>131461004Just finished the first movement. Again, maybe I'm biased because my emotions are especially susceptible right now, but this is a fantastic performance of the 9th. Highly recommended.
>>131461308ya Jews that he then backstabbed
>>131461347At what point did I even suggest hisscore is good or preferrable
>>131461403You truly don't. I posted >>131460142
>>131461207He probably has a problem with everything that isn't about penniless, retarded people, because those are the only stories he can connect with.
>>131461051Interesting. Thanks for sharing!
>>131460103>Post what you're listening toI didn't make my usual little shill post about it yesterday but here it is for what it's worthhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUKTmRAtUAohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RYs3-7CjV0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK6YPIGgCa0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS_9GITr5sshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjgGX1fnleYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnHT__svu6whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DZcLpIDdA0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H36UN9eFNwkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P68ZMPTcCsghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO3S4oPZaDMI'll share the suites for solo viola later on. I think they're some of the best work for solo viola in the entire repertoire (granted, there's not much competition, but still)
>>131461484Glad you enjoyed it! Hopefully no anon here ever has to suffer the anguish of such a situation.
>>131461207Those are good writers though>it's a situation anyone can find themselves innot the measure of good literature>>131461470Do you think boring slaves are the only alternative to toothless Flaubert writing humourless Prufrock
>>131461536>Those are good writers though>>it's a situation anyone can find themselves in>not the measure of good literatureBut you said your issue was with-- y'know what, no, I'm not gonna bother.In any case, the primarily impulse of the post is that it's classical related. And for what it's depicting, I think it's superbly written. But whatever. Sorry if you didn't find it amusing from a classical listener's perspective.
>>131461051it's just iturbi so who cares
>>131461615I feel embarrassed that I thought it was a fictional pianist. Thanks for enlightening me!
>>131461632it's just iturbi so you should'nt feel embarrassed
i might have to get married to the Mahler 9 Adagio
Sex with Martha Argerich
You know how Keats has that poem about Chapman's translation of Homer? I might write a similar sonnet titled On First Listening to Bernstein's Mahler.
>>131461837Anon I love Keats and Mahler but that shit's cringe as fuck
>>131461860That's like saying Keats' subject was cringe. You only think that because it's new and modern. Time to change that manner of thinking.Fine, I'll write it in free verse with the occasional rhyme. Happy?
>>131461879>That's like saying Keats' subject was cringe.Why?>You only think that because it's new and modernNo, I say that because Bernstein is shit.
>>131461833She's mid (like her playing)
now playingstart of Brahms: Cello Sonata No. 1 in E Minor, Op. 38https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2XD65gHoVc&list=OLAK5uy_kAq37SNkn8JRF1V5QJebOda7LPCPXtAk8&index=2start of Brahms: Cello Sonata No. 2 in F Major, Op. 99https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZKzUkqDdSU&list=OLAK5uy_kAq37SNkn8JRF1V5QJebOda7LPCPXtAk8&index=5start of Brahms: Violin Sonata No. 3 in D Minor, Op. 108 (presumably arranged for cello and piano)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUbPyq5e7l4&list=OLAK5uy_kAq37SNkn8JRF1V5QJebOda7LPCPXtAk8&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAq37SNkn8JRF1V5QJebOda7LPCPXtAk8Can't tell if it's funny or sad that if you try typing "brahms yo yo ma" into YouTube's search bar, the first autosuggestion isn't about the cello sonatas but rather "brahms lullaby yo yo ma".
>>131461536>Do you think boring slaves are the only alternative to toothless Flaubert writing humourless PrufrockNo, but you do.
>>131461899Ah, fair enough then. Just seems like a suitable subject. Quality aside, the impact and renown are undoubtedly there.
>>131461051What's more interesting is how often you find classical references in books and media. It's like you're constantly consuming something, much like you do with music. I probably live at 10x slower pace than you, and I'm not sure what to make of that.>>131461079>>131461190lol
>>131461926no, I don't; it's not bad merely for being about bourgeois lives and culture
>>131461946mindless, mass consumption, especially of art, is not a good thing
>>131461879Keats' subject had greater cultural nuance because Pope's Homer was the standard translation. What are you saying? Bernstein's Mahler is basically the default popular idea of Mahler.
>>131460543mahler 3, shosto 10, beethoven 7 (personal take) and mozart 40 all are better for me. but brahms 4 is his best
>>131461946:DAll on a quest to become cultured. But more importantly, as I always say, art is the highest activity of mankind -- with literature being the highest form of that -- so one has a duty to consume as much of the greatest art as possible. That said, I still waste far too much time on browsing the internet (at least I'm always listening to music while doing that, that's my excuse) and rewatching TV shows I've already seen.It helps that I have a nonexistent social life at the moment, not including the women. Cut off all my friends because they were using drugs and I got 'clean', and all of the friends who didn't use hard drugs had already cut me out of their lives, lol. Then there's all the friends I made when I made money playing Runescape for four years, but once I quit that, I stopped logging into that Discord account, so now it's just you guys (and the occasional woman, as I said).sorry for the personal info, probably more than you bargained for
>>131461181aye. why i was ill from fitz.
I just think if you can't comfortably talk about Beethoven, Shakespeare, Godard, Proust, Mahler, Tarkovsky, Dante, Bach, Nietzsche, Bergman, etc etc., you've wasted your life.
>>131462042I like all of them, but I don't think being able to state opinions about them is what makes life worth living. Call me sentimental but I think shared experiences are more crucial to life being satisfactory than consuming culture for the sake of it.
I need something Glasslike, but angrier, more deep, I need something modern and strong, bitter. Rachmaninoc wasn't rich enough, Prince Rostislav ain't cutting it this evening. Help me, this is the place right?
>>131461971I agree. But at the same time I envy someone who can read that much. I can't make myself do repetitive tasks frequently. >>131462011>art is the highest activity of mankindIt's not. Physics, mathematics and philisophy are. But that requires more than just 'consumption' and you're not exactly fit for that. I don't mean to offend, but that's how I see it.>sorry for the personal infoI'd be curious to hear it but I already knew all of that.
>>131462067>I need something Glasslike>this is the place right?No>>>/mu/
>>131462067I mean just throw a dart at any of the modernists.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgFP-BlKq3Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjwaWh5Y3IU
>>131462082no u
>>131462096nonsensical reply
>>131462073>Physics, mathematicsLol. Lmao!>philisophy
>>131462103I'm not here to interpret your hostility, I'm here for music, *erhem* faggot.
>>131462113like I said>>>/mu/
>>131462073Physics and math are important, but they're ultimately just intellectual puzzles compared to art. Philosophy is up there, but since I'm partial to continental philosophy, my view is basically philosophy is a lower type of literature, lol.There is another kind of activity, the physical action kind. Kind of a blend between politics and war. This is your Caesars, Napoleons, Roosevelts, Kennedys, Washingtons, yes, even some businessmen like Rockefeller, Carnegie, Disney, Ford. But art is still supreme.
>>131462124Yes, I've seen the charts.You sure are a big ol faggot aintcha
>>131462131Not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>131462073>But at the same time I envy someone who can read that much.Pfft, I wish I read as much as you seem to think. I probably read 50 pages a day currently. I want to get (back) to 200 pages a day, ideally. But like I said, the smartphone internet and TV addiction ruins that, plus the sedative medication prevents me from reading for too long before I just wanna lay down and listen to music.
>>131462134Philip Glass, have you heard of him? He's pretty good.
>>131462142Not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
Philip Glass
I still need to sit down and finish listening to Glass' Etudes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7ZikDZlE_s
>>131462182have you heard the photographer?
>>131462125>intellectual puzzles compared to art.That's some extreme dewnplaying. But fine, if that's so, then art is likewise an "intellectual puzzle", specifically classical music. Maths and physics however, require more intelligence and engagement than art. I don't think the two should even be compared at all, but your "highest human activity" self-fellation is just pure arrogance. You sound like you want to boost your ego more than enjoy art.>>131462109Yes, science, mathematics and the foundation of science - philosophy, are the highest form of activity, I don't think that's up to debate. But again, it requires more than just consumption so I kinda get why you're skeptical. Though your "lol lmao" makes me question your intelligence.
>>131462253>. But fine, if that's so, then art is likewise an "intellectual puzzle", specifically classical music.No, because art is creation, expression. It's the soul of humanity, the defining trait, even more than rationality or technics (technology).>You sound like you want to boost your ego more than enjoy art.I mean obviously I might be biased, but I still stand by it.
someone get the /lit/fags off of this music general
>>131462325Sorry, no more non-music discussion.
>>131462311art is not the soul.do you save the da vinci (or the strad), or the baby from the fire? what makes the life of the infant's life heavier than those sticks? those oils?
>>131462353souls aren't real, and babies can fuck off
>>131462380topical
>>131462411you mean tropical surely
>>131462311>No, because art is creation, expression.Yes, art is creation, science and maths are creation too, but all three of them are more than just mere creations, they're following some kind of universal patterns too. Furthermore, both science and maths are expression, both have their own languages, symbols, ideas etc. You're being too vague, instead you should admit that art means more to you personally, because they don't lack creativity or expression.>soulSouls aren't real.>the defining trait"The"? Absolutely not.>rationalityScience is not necessarily "rational" though.
speaking of /lit/, and for it, what is it about musical training which equips men for literature, and what is it about literature which so frequently leaks into song?
Best recording of Mahler's Kindertotenlieder?
now playingstart of Tchaikovsky: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ1tzEeGsYo&list=OLAK5uy_mTavwOCuBe7TrAS0HBh7K7OlW-oupfEjQ&index=2start of Bruch: Violin Concerto No. 1 in G Minor, Op. 26https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IRcFuTOlJM&list=OLAK5uy_mTavwOCuBe7TrAS0HBh7K7OlW-oupfEjQ&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mTavwOCuBe7TrAS0HBh7K7OlW-oupfEjQ>Violinist Nicola Benedetti has captivated audiences and critics alike with her musicality and poise. Ms. Benedetti now records a Romantic album of Tchaikovsky and Bruch concertos with the Czech Philharmonic Orchestra. Her fans have been asking for her to record this for years and now she finally has!>When reflecting on Nicola Benedetti's varied career to date it's easy to forget that she has only just turned 23. Benedetti shot into the public spotlight as winner of the BBC Young Musician of the Year at the age of 16 and has since released four albums for Deutsche Grammophon while building a solid international career.>Benedetti's career was crowned this summer when she made her BBC Proms debut, performing Vaughan Williams' `The Lark Ascending' in the Royal Albert Hall. Other recent and upcoming highlights include debuts with the Russian National Orchestra, as well as her Dallas and Pittsburg debuts.>In her previous recordings Benedetti has always made creative repertoire choices with innovative groupings of pieces. Works have included world premiere recordings by leading British composers such James MacMillan and Sir John Tavener. But now Benedetti, for the first time, has recorded two giants of the violin concerto repertoire, the Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto in D major, op.35 and Bruch's Violin Concerto No. 1 in G minor, op.26.
>>131462477they're the best forms of art by a long shot, no wonder they bleed into eachother
>>131462484
>>131462484CHRISTA LUDWIGHRISTALUDWIGhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-GeuYircsE&list=OLAK5uy_lyYi2EKSWtB-nM0BQgYnbde_E9aXe1Yow&index=5Lots of great ones though. Also check out Barbirolli/Baker and MTT/DeYoung
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrAmzNLmyUE&list=OLAK5uy_kz-2JPFjI63-of8YkqRT1pVfD-a2B-A5o&index=103
>>131462253>Yes, science, mathematics and the foundation of science - philosophy, are the highest form of activity, I don't think that's up to debate. But again, it requires more than just consumption so I kinda get why you're skeptical. Though your "lol lmao" makes me question your intelligence.Oh, sadly for you, it's very much up for debate. What's also up for debate is the ends to which inquiry and the mere accumulation of knowledge are being put in the first place. It's very noble to parrot platitudes about the importance of science, mathematics and philosophy, but without any account of what they are for, what ends they serve, or by what standard they supposedly constitute the "highest" form of human activity, this is simply empty posturing.Even ignoring the extremely slippery logic involved in reducing engagement with art to "just consumption", you'd first have to explain what you even mean by "the highest form of activity". There's already a lot to unpack in those vague words, which someone with the inquisitive, searching mind you're pretending to have would undoubtedly understand.However, for starters, you'd have to figure out that you're talking to more than one person here, unless you simply assume that every lover of art you speak with is already beneath you and fit only for "consumption", in which case you're clearly wasting your time and should be furthering the sciences you're so passionate about rather than wasting it arguing with strangers on the internet.And don't be misled by my "lol lmao"; it has nothing to do with my intelligence and everything to do with how seriously I'm currently taking you.
>>131462011>>131462073>>131462125>>131462253>>131462473>>131462788no one cares
one day i WILL learn to appreciate Beethoven's Diabelli Variations
>he rates the likes of Newton, Einstein, Oppenheimer, Teller, Feynman, Godel, over the likes of Bach, Shakespeare, Mozart, Dante, Beethoven, Milton, Mahler, Joyceyikes
>>131462827no one cares
>>131463071no one cares
Does anyone here like Gould's Bach's WTC? If so, what do you like about it?
>>131463146no, it's shit and we all hate it and anything Ghould
William Byrdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD7luwIuM40&list=OLAK5uy_nAA0hQ_dlRTDNeSQMuUV5LMm9QXUVvLPs&index=7
>>131462788A lot of words to say nothing, anon.>but without any account of what they are for, what ends they serve, or by what standard they supposedly constitute the "highest" form of human activityI was not the first to make such claims, so I had no incentive to elaborate.You're the shitheap who complains about vague vocabulary every time someone makes a statement you find offensive, it's hilarious. It's very easy to notice patterns, I can already tell what you listen to what your response is going to sound like, you're like a broken toy.>empty posturing.Enough about your entire persona.Literally lmao, but this is rather pathetic to laugh at irl.
>>131463194Okay. Every few months I feel the call to give Gould's Bach another try. I don't know why, I hate it every time, and there's countless interpreters of Bach's music I love already, so it's not that I'm in want for recordings to listen to. Thanks for talking me out of it.I gift this to you,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfVnIcUuYx8&list=OLAK5uy_mer-6MMFipwW9XUlYWCpqJJ3DxRbUbw0g&index=6
>>131463215no one cares
>>131463221Correct, no one cares what that shitheap has to say, so it's my duty to bully them until they get that fact through their shallow head.
now playingstart of Paul Paray: Symphony No. 1 in C Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UC4vkCzCnw&list=OLAK5uy_kttj6jpjw_neHnE3Wi3Y0bHJFF249t45c&index=2start of Paul Paray: Mass of Joan of Archttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBHe071J7TY&list=OLAK5uy_kttj6jpjw_neHnE3Wi3Y0bHJFF249t45c&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kttj6jpjw_neHnE3Wi3Y0bHJFF249t45cTurns out Paul Paray was not just a conductor!
>>131462857What helped is the fact that Beethoven uses the weirdest motives for variations, but it still sounds ugly and repulsive. Unlike Grosse Fuge, which sounds divine and powerful, but is supposedly the uglier of the two.
>>131463253no one cares
>>131463280...th-that sounds like it hurts, not helps, my goal, my intent, my desire.
>>131463301You just gotta track down where each motive comes from, it's all in the waltz but scattered around. Then it will click.
>>131463336I have a musical IQ of exactly zero. No wonder I don't care for it. Perhaps I'll leave it to the musicians and the like.
>>131463215I was expecting a wittier reply from the world's foremost polymath. To say I'm disappointed would be an understatement.>I was not the first to make such claims, so I had no incentive to elaborate.I know you weren't. But you did endorse that claim and put forward your own version of it, so the fact that someone else said it first doesn't relieve you of any need to explain what you mean. If you can't explain what you meant by it, then it's ultimately just an empty assertion and we can end this discussion here.>You're the shitheap who complains about vague vocabulary every time someone makes a statement you find offensive, it's hilarious.I rarely post in /classical/, much less get into arguments here, so your assumption is wrong yet again.>It's very easy to notice patterns, I can already tell what you listen to what your response is going to sound likeEvidently, it's even easier to misread those patterns and apply them to the wrong person, which is what you're doing. I don't know who you're mistaking me for, but you have no idea what I listen to, although I'm not sure what that has to do with anything in the first place.>Enough about your entire persona.Oh, so is that not what you were doing? I'm not so sure about that, anon. It all sounds lovely and noble, but ultimately it's just empty talk if you can't explain yourself.Anyway, you've conveniently shifted the discussion to completely irrelevant things and ignored virtually everything I actually said. I suppose I can now expect your next reply to consist of further deflection or simply dismissing the post altogether, which would rather neatly confirm that you're unwilling to defend the claims you've been making. I hope that's not the case and that we can actually have an honest and fruitful debate, anon.
at this point you guys are literally arguing about nothing. please just move on.
>>131463433Not really. It's very simple. I basically only asked anon here >>131462253 what they meant by "highest form of activity" and why. Everything else is filigree. Now can anon answer that very simple question? We'll see.
Gershwin anyone?
>>131463465On occasion. You might enjoy this recording.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DRByZjbjqg&list=OLAK5uy_ncPqTHr2U9_zsE6xwc99JYFJg2RrEOz-w&index=1>Berlin-based violinist Daniel Hope's latest album takes a deep dive into the rich repertoire of American music, exploring its roots and distinctive qualities. "We know a piece is from America the moment we hear it," says Hope. "But what makes music sound American?" Daniel Hope - America provides some answers, presenting works by composers as diverse as Leonard Bernstein, Sam Cooke, Aaron Copland, Duke Ellington, George Gershwin, Florence Price, Samuel A. Ward and Kurt Weill.dance, baby, dance!
>>131463482I just really enjoyed his ability to infuse narrative into the works. Like Tchaikovsky, or Ravel
>>131463506Hmm, never thought of it that way. You must also like Strauss for the same reason.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un6zfgAJi8Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkATv7kU_VU
>>131463518aye. though strauss can be a little too cosmic, perhaps? too grand.
>>131463261Wow, the symphony on this was pretty good, but this mass is incredible. Highly recommended recording for anyone who wants to try something lesser-known and modern yet accessible. Might have to listen to some of his other music now.
>>131463602Fair. That's the German way! Everything they do is super deep, philosophical, and mystic. The Russians, French, and Americans are happy to just feel, to enjoy, to sing. The Germans must teach, enlighten, reveal.
>>131463406Oh, everything as expected.>doesn't relieve you of any need to explain what you meanYou see, I have no "need" whatsoever to explain anything. You can ask politely and I may or may not elaborate, otherwise feel free to post paragraphs that ultimately say nothing. You're an expert at typing paragraphs of what could've been summarized in a sentence. >I rarely post in /classical/Oh, I know that too.
Gloria! Gloria!
>>131463629I really did enjoy Wagner's The Ring, so there's something to that, a sort of austere drama. The russians are like a wall of dark chocolate, though.
>>131463666https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNEb2k_EmMg
It's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nguaBg1GYs&list=OLAK5uy_k93gZdsQpS16SHApqUgzPKJ6gWrDq2iXg&index=4
Shame I'll never enjoy so many lieders/opera compositions cause I don't enjoy vocals. Sad! Thank you for your ATTENTION on this Matter!
>>131464560The trick is to listen to the few vocal pieces/movements you do enjoy over and over until the rest click, eg Strauss' Four Last Songs, Mahler 2 3 4 8, Mozart's Requiem and Mass in C, Beethoven's Missa Solemnis, Bach's Mass in B minor, Faure's Requiem.
>>131464578>Strauss' Four Last Songs,Never liked it. I listened to it over 40 times if not more, I still don't like it.
>>131464578Mahler is an example of why I know I don't like it. The Strauss and Mozart Requiem are okay. Haven't tried the rest, I think.
>>131464593Try this, anyone can learn to love this one,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3O-OaMMtHgand of coursehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I__fqyhH9a4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOqa97dyhjo
If I was a composer working today, I would compose vocal pieces arranging famous masterpieces as the backing, eg Tchaikovsky 6, Chopin's Etudes, Beethoven's and Mozart's string quartets, as some examples. Would this have any kind of market or demand? Probably not. But fuck it.
>>131464600Try the links in >>131464607
Choral music, masses, madrigals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opera >>>>>>>>>>>>> orchestral lieder >>>>>>>>>>>> lieder
>>131464709Oh and stick oratorios and cantatas in the middle of the first set of >>>>>>>s
now playingstart of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 9 in E-Flat Major, Op. 117https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mXnpmz0GMc&list=OLAK5uy_ktzv70jyvibCok21Nw8KDH7aXU4MYa2PM&index=34start of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 10 in A-Flat Major, Op. 118https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw2tRupZwGQ&list=OLAK5uy_ktzv70jyvibCok21Nw8KDH7aXU4MYa2PM&index=39start of Shostakovich: String Quartet No. 12 in D-Flat Major, Op. 133https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0iea5-WUdQ&list=OLAK5uy_ktzv70jyvibCok21Nw8KDH7aXU4MYa2PM&index=42https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ktzv70jyvibCok21Nw8KDH7aXU4MYa2PM
>>131464626Ya no feeling it boss
>>131464850not*
>>131464850Hmm, well, thanks for trying it. Those pieces helped get me into vocal classical so hoped it'd work for you and others.
>>131465135I'll stick to stuff like this
>>131461499Johann Baptist Joseph Maximilian Reger (cont)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M17BpPLCq48https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR7niIRLZIEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB8IpOTr14ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnO2QuUJ-68https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrqoPzVa9r4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ljYhpZ_b4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRK-yRTPPDohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvFVuDp9ucchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-92zAQhWaIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1POGZauEYvchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT9Q52mfiV8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l7O6xAXu3kNo li'l review today, sorry, I'm having a terrible weekend
If the 8th isn't your favourite Beethoven symphony you are a pleb.>When asked by his pupil Carl Czerny why the Eighth was less popular than the Seventh, Beethoven is said to have replied, "because the Eighth is so much better.">Of all Beethoven's works, Wagner considered the 9th and the 8th incomparably the boldest and most original. Of the concluding movement of the 8th Symphony, Wagner said that for him it was 'the finest thing Beethoven ever produced, a celebration of life and all that it means, divine!'
>>131465694>if you don't hold a pointless contrarian opinion you're a pleb lol lmaoLet me be a pleb then, at least I've good taste
Faurehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=882Nfh4k-LQ&list=OLAK5uy_mn4hYQNk266AO5uCvngm5DzoWH6Bo6R7Q&index=1
To get into vocal music, you gotta start with the really schlocky ones like La donna è mobile.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9zVpliVdMs&list=OLAK5uy_mJIIZGVUMw6iRlLNKZF2t-G6KKueGZk5A&index=17
>>131466573True. Also Queen of the Night's aria, Carmen Habanera, and Figaro Figaro Figaro
Dance!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfS1SeMs9ak&list=OLAK5uy_lJ16yb6XZhoJKo0BlGH6kTAaDagXdy_IQ&index=1>Daniel Hope has long been fascinated by the power of dance to move and inspire. Taking listeners on a journey through seven centuries of music history, his latest Deutsche Grammophon album - DANCE! - celebrates the rhythms that have set bodies in motion and lifted hearts since time began.I tease but this might actually be a good recording to listen to when I'm walking and on the bus. Saved.
>>131466573Does Wagner have any shlocky arias for the job?
>get caught listening to Gershwinwait! it's not jazz, it's classical, I swear!!
>>131466720we're talking about good vocal music here
>>131466720https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THfvv9q-rKM
>>131466739Wagner is meant to be sung bel canto.
It's timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1SHqmFtf0w&list=OLAK5uy_lo9y25PWHpCcEHWj2PjyhZK-7LILCpr-c&index=4
from a TV show:>We also object to question 134, "Who is your favorite classical composer?">Okay, I will not be judged by anyone who likes Schumann. I refuse to be sent to my death by philistines. damn
Are characters like Alberich supposed to be sung in an ugly way? Or is that a recent innovation?
Philip Glasshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNH0Cb2xGJw&list=OLAK5uy_m-0_kFVfjBqupBaDhICCzgYbeaqnu5Sn0&index=6
>>131467135I had a similar question recently. Alberich and the Mime. I don't have an answer, hopefully someone does, but I do know the approach varies on the recording set. Some have them ugly to emphasize the drama, some of them sound nearly as good and clean as Siegfried in favor of the music.
why did no one tell me about these Delius violin sonatas???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0HZuL_DSFw&list=OLAK5uy_mxa0-9NL3025ugMeOcaQqDbo4T-9Ac6f0&index=1man, English classical is hitting the spot above all for me lately.
>>131467339I told you about Delius bro, I warned you dawg
>>131467339Oh great, another guy found out about them. Now there's less for me. Ugh!
>>131467347>>131467349>>131467339I once considered committing suicide. Then I listened to Delius' Mass of Life and cast those pernicious thoughts aside for good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdfMJKQFhhE
Mendelssohn is so overrated. Most people don't even know he wrote a piano concerto, cello sonatas, violin sonatas, and solo piano music. He failed at those genres, how can he be considered a great?
>>131467373Well to be fair, Mozart also failed at three of those genres.
>>131467379
once again, it's pronounced beirut
>>131467373>Mendelssohn is so overratedYou're mentally ill
>>131467475I bet you couldn't recall a single theme from his music that isn't The Hebrides or from the Violin Concerto.
>>131467537nta but in addition to those two I can immediately recall the main theme from his second symphony and the opening of his fourth symphony.
>>131467135>>131467159It's not recent, it's early 20th century. Probably developed out of the 'Bayreuth bark', a style of singing that resulted from Cosima trying to follow Wagner's intention of dramatic declamation balanced with singing but by all accounts went too far and sacrificed the beauty of tone which was so important to Wagner. My suspicion would be that Wagner wanted his villains to occasionally sound ugly but not consistently. When you hear a Mime that sounds like an actual goblin he's gone too far.
>>131467537His sixth string quartet
>>131467373>Most people don't even know he [Mendelssohn] wrote [...] solo piano musicAre you retarded?
>>131463649Of course you don't have to explain anything. You also don't have to defend your claims. But then there isn't much of a discussion to be had, is there?You made and endorsed a big claim, I asked what you meant by it, and your response is now essentially "ask me more politely or I won't tell you". That's fine by me, but it pretty much confirms that all the posturing about science, philosophy and intellectual seriousness was just that: posturing.>Oh, I know that too.Apparently not well enough to know who you're actually talking to. It's very cute saying "I know who you are, teehee" without explaining anything, but ultimately you've been talking out of your ass the entire time.I'm sorry you feel intimidated by the size of my posts, but why use fewer words when I can play with morons like you at length?
Isn't it funny, that since the renaissance period, no major musical innovation can be atttributed to mainly vocal music composers?Wagner sounds like an exception, but he isn't. His harmony and thematic transformations are derived from Liszt and other early romantics. So what did he innovate outside opera, really? Nothing at all. Pretty much all the major innovators were keyboard improvisers. My guess is that since improvisation is spontaneous, composers had more time to think about form, harmony and other things in the moment, they could experiment more with sound, and thus pushed boundries harder than non-keyboard composers.
>>131463433>>131463446Evidently not. This is what happens when you tell pseudointellectuals to explain themselves. They start hopelessly deflecting because there's nothing there.
>>131468470>since improvisation is spontaneous, composers had more time to thinkHow does that make any sense at all.
>>131468464Thank you, Faurécuck, for yet again confirming your total inability to grasp the basic concepts of language. I must assume it's your lack of verbal IQ which you had to make up with decent literacy at best, or thesaurus/AI at worst. It's quite evident from your post, you say a lot of nothing by the paragraphs which I don't even bother to read at this point. The problem if I explained myself would be that we'd go on circles just like the last time, you would not drop your 'vagueness' pretense. This is getting quite boring tbqh Faurécuck, I will let you have the last reply.>>131468478>pseudointellectualsOh, Faurécuck.
You know, I've come around on Mendelssohn's Lieder ohne Worte. Most of them are actually quite lovely.
>>131468866Yeah, they're pretty good and very accessible. Not sure why you used to dislike them.
>>131467438bye royte
>>131466573for me it's vesti la giubba
>>131468470>His harmony and thematic transformations are derived from Liszt'Derived' is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Tristan would be impossible without Liszt but Liszt does not entirely anticipate Tristan, and then there's the question of whether Wagner could be considered an harmonic influence on Liszt's late works. From what I remember of Liszt's symphonic poems and piano pieces from the 1850s and earlier, none of them are as harmonically radical as Tristan.
>>131468575Thank you for confidently revealing that you have absolutely no idea who you're talking to. That actually explains quite a lot.Anyway, thanks for the last reply, anon. This ended far better than I expected.
...and now kiss!
Today I will remind them.W.
Cosima describes a most agreeable picture. Richard is in splendid spirits. Dinner conversation is more animated than usual. Progress on the duet between Klingsor and Kundry is proceeding apace, and there is a provocative new article on the Jews from the Deutsche Reichspost to discuss. After the dinner plates have been cleared, our couple retires to the parlor for their regular evening reading—this week, Walter Scott's Waverly. But Richard is in a mood for some four-hand music. Seidl and the other copyists are invited to join them. Richard takes out his worn copy of Haydn symphonies and sits down at his new Steinway with Cosima. Together they read through Symphony No. 82 in C Major (the "Bear"). Everyone is enchanted. "In him," he observes, "one clearly sees how the popular genius finds its way. The form is more compact than in Mozart; he always went after the melody, had no time to spare for the work (with the exception of the four great symphonies). This is why these Haydn works are also much more interesting." Playing through a Mozart symphony with Seidl confirms his reservations about Mozart, whom he pronounces "a great chromaticist," but adds, "he rarely gave expression to his nature."
HISS isn't inherently philosophically superior in any way to other modes of performance, it just coincidentally happens to have all of the best recordings
https://youtu.be/zwBOGAE3a7M
Does /classical/ prefer Vivaldi oboe concertos or bassoon concertos?
>>131469113>Mozart; he always went after the melody, had no time to spare for the work (with the exception of the four great symphonies)So he's saying that Mozart's form was as good as Haydn's in these last four symphonies???
>>131469123Hiss itself is actually a bad thing, but the old school classical performance is "objectively" (as far as objective musical facts go) superior to modern school in every single aspect.
>>131467148Cheers
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe3ZJDljYEU&list=OLAK5uy_neStTGzRW7-UGIqY8GUg2XevdJ2AlDzZw&index=16
>>131469262Absolutely. Objectively, intersubjectively, however you wanna call it, it's not even up for debate as far as I'm concerned. The old interpretations are superior.I'll even go out on a limb and say that sometimes the lo-fi quality of old recordings actually adds something to the performance of a particular nocturnal or mysterious piece. Obviously there's a limit... if the recording is so bad that it doesn't even capture the necessary frequencies and you can barely tell what notes are being played, or the chords just become sonic mush, then it's just bad.
>>131469410Even 19th century recordings are blessing to listen to. You don't get this type of tone and rubato anywhere else.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhdHgOcCsSUAlthough I usually listen to Moiseiwitsch's since Pabst's is incomplete, I think the latter is actually the best Op. 62 No. 2. Although, since we're on topic, Paderewski is also top tier, but he missed a few bars in the agitato section which sounds rather odd:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUnpDWWsvfkThere's a section before the coda of F minor ballade in which Hofmann's recording sounds extremely discordant and noisy, that's something I strongly dislike. Although the rest is a miracle.
D959https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mERd_vFyLiA
>tfw YouTube Music doesn't have the most popular recording on Amazon for a piecesad
>>131467662This is why I like Paul Kuen's Mime so much. It's just well sung.
shilling this Beethoven cycle one final time3rdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZWkDTvVZ04&list=OLAK5uy_kBIhT5ff_X63LCXCYw9vWwFkq8q6YK5aE&index=65thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5-q7zymzxo&list=OLAK5uy_kBIhT5ff_X63LCXCYw9vWwFkq8q6YK5aE&index=346thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYo4hhMQBg8&list=OLAK5uy_kBIhT5ff_X63LCXCYw9vWwFkq8q6YK5aE&index=147thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moPwjJOLAaU&list=OLAK5uy_kBIhT5ff_X63LCXCYw9vWwFkq8q6YK5aE&index=198thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiAtQwkHfrs&list=OLAK5uy_kBIhT5ff_X63LCXCYw9vWwFkq8q6YK5aE&index=239thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMgdfDxVemQ&list=OLAK5uy_kBIhT5ff_X63LCXCYw9vWwFkq8q6YK5aE&index=27>The West German Radio players don’t quite have the sheen of the very best orchestras (Abbado’s “Rome Cycle” with the Berlin Philharmonic comes to mind, or the interpretively more willful but often very beautiful Bernstein set with the Vienna Philharmonic), but that’s not actually a deal-breaker: Neither does its cousin-orchestra, the NDR SO under Günter Wand, which is decidedly one of the reference cycles out there. What we’re left with here, then, is a kind of excellence that feels pointless but sounds perfectly good. Precious Vanilla. Even just 20 years ago this might have been a reference recording itself. In 2019 it’s the equivalent of a delighted shrug. ---- Jens F. Laurson, ClassicsToday
One of my favorite harpsichord performances of this music
>>131470747
Messiaenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYqJCWDcOJs&list=OLAK5uy_kFNQXKDtNzS_6x-iYHmhuToJ0J9EEVXLY&index=8>The Catalogue d'Oiseaux of Olivier Messiaen forms an extraordinary and varied tribute to the landscape and bird-life of France, and to it's composer's powers of invention as he explored and developed innovations in harmony, melody and rhythm at a time when all the elements of music were in flux and up for grabs. The 13 compositions of the Catalogue are very different from one other, in length, form and intent. L'alouette lulu is a kind of antiphonal poem. La chouette hulotte boldly maps out territory for experimentation. Le chocard des alpes and Le buse variable are mostly articulated by shouts, where we are close to noise. The material is often raw and dissonant, but Messiaen often uses what are traditionally blocks of dissonance to create consonance. There are pieces full of melody - Le loriot or La bouscarle - and songs rich in timbre but not saturated with color like La merle de roche. He liked to convey the impression that he composed music in isolation from the world around him, inspired first and foremost by God and by the birds whom he called God's musicians. >The Italian pianist Ciro Longobardi has made a specialty of 20th and 21st-century music. He won a major piano prize at the crucible of European modernism in music, Darmstadt - only the second Italian pianist to do so - and he has given Italian premieres of significant works by the likes of Ives, Kurtág and Xenakis. With both an assured technique and a sympathetic grasp of the idioms of the great music of our own time, he is well placed to make an outstanding contribution to the rich history of the Catalogue d'Oiseaux on record.
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H3XXfqcMCE&list=OLAK5uy_l5npgLpZYw_1rSboNs9_BhNFU6FydBCYI&index=2
Verwünschte Nicker!
what's the verdict on Samson Francois' Chopin? I'm gonna finally go through it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOIpJ9sF214&list=OLAK5uy_k7AbSaSxzH58tR0XodxaYi2FXocoUdbzA&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmTsQijmL3A&list=OLAK5uy_k7AbSaSxzH58tR0XodxaYi2FXocoUdbzA&index=14https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTtquJLL0H4&list=OLAK5uy_k7AbSaSxzH58tR0XodxaYi2FXocoUdbzA&index=19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1lSOPL9yIg&list=OLAK5uy_k7AbSaSxzH58tR0XodxaYi2FXocoUdbzA&index=26https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkzZMFs0ibY&list=OLAK5uy_k7AbSaSxzH58tR0XodxaYi2FXocoUdbzA&index=42https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvdsGHqaZS4&list=OLAK5uy_k7AbSaSxzH58tR0XodxaYi2FXocoUdbzA&index=49https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TZdkh-oWX8&list=OLAK5uy_k7AbSaSxzH58tR0XodxaYi2FXocoUdbzA&index=52
>Saves Bach>Saves Schubert>Writes some of the best music of his time>Amazing painterHave you thanked and listened to /our/ guy today yet?
Any Wagnerheads here who have dared to experience the Ring in a brand new, intimate perspective?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWhRThHJGoE
now playingstart of Stravinsky: Petrouchka - Version 1911https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFP_sN4OWmY&list=OLAK5uy_mwD1LSsdUNKOFXgZH_y9mQA7xqveofhLI&index=2start of Stravinsky: Le Sacre du Printempshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apDRukzaGpM&list=OLAK5uy_mwD1LSsdUNKOFXgZH_y9mQA7xqveofhLI&index=6start of Stravinsky: Les Noceshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZMIi1oydjA&list=OLAK5uy_mwD1LSsdUNKOFXgZH_y9mQA7xqveofhLI&index=8start of Stravinsky: The Firebird (L'oiseau de feu) - Ballet (1910)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP2JeYTuma4&list=OLAK5uy_mwD1LSsdUNKOFXgZH_y9mQA7xqveofhLI&index=11https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mwD1LSsdUNKOFXgZH_y9mQA7xqveofhLII've had Ansermet's Stravinsky in my backlog for ages. Never got around to it because I ultimately always opted for more modern recordings. Well, time to finally listen to it.
>>131471412Not a fan. He's got little of his teacher and much of the modern school.
>>131467537utterly lost to reality
>>131468575>Fauré Fauré Fauré Fauré Fauré Fauréyou sound obsessed ngl>>131469410>I'll even go out on a limb and say that sometimes the lo-fi quality of old recordings actually adds somethingand that's where your post lost all its credibility
The best
>>131471638Thank you Chadinsky, save us from rhythmlet romanticucks
>>131471861>slop
There is no point to modern music aside from Stravinsky, Bartok, Messiaen and Ives. Everything after that, aside from Reich and Ligeti, is a waste of time, literal cancer for your ears
>makes Baroque rhythm fluid, danceable and not stiffneckThank God for the French and their good taste.
>>131471928>aside from Reich
>>131471918enough about WTC book II.
>>131471951Lmfaoooo. Anon you got BTFO'd so hard last time you tried to compare Zelenka's rhythmless tune to contrapunctus II. I don't think you'll ever recover from that embarrassment. Do you think we forgot? Maybe you thought we wouldn't bring it up..... But we did! LOL.
now playingstart of Chopin: 24 Préludes, Op. 28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUAyyek9Mrc&list=OLAK5uy_nfg90zj-aRjosXB6ityGoDJbwKsp8uEKA&index=2start of Scriabin: 24 Preludes, Op. 11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho7InyZfVw0&list=OLAK5uy_nfg90zj-aRjosXB6ityGoDJbwKsp8uEKA&index=26start of Akio Yashiro: 24 Preludeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMFFbfUrR68&list=OLAK5uy_nfg90zj-aRjosXB6ityGoDJbwKsp8uEKA&index=49https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nfg90zj-aRjosXB6ityGoDJbwKsp8uEKA
>>131472136>least mentally ill and autistic /classical/anon posting right nowStill doesn't disprove what I said about the French
>>131472205Guess what that means for you
>>131467716do you really need to ask
>>131472272Bach was influenced by French taste, so it means I'm Basado de rojo de pillo
if the melodies are forgotten, how is hamelin able to record them? an embarrassing oversight
>>131471799>and that's where your post lost all its credibilityOh well. You can't win 'em all.
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwvuij8sex4&list=OLAK5uy_lgqktqNY9Q_Q3O9MZkwjSIbH3G3afRKp4&index=5
>>131472205Anon, you have no slightest idea what you're talking about. Go back to your classroom.
reminder: there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who do not enjoy Beethoven's sixth symphony
>>131472838>there are people in this thread with ears
>>131472838It's his third best symphony and definitely top 15 of all time.For the record:3 > 8 > 6 > 5 > 7 > 9 > 4 > 1 > 2.
>>131472835>A purveyor of “pomp and circumstance” well before the age of Edward Elgar, Lully was renowned for his contributions to instrumental music, particularly his interludes, dances, and, perhaps most famously, his rhythmic overtures for larger dramatic works such as operas and ballets. These French ouvertures (literally, “openings”) were almost a genre unto themselves, and their two-part format—one slow, stately, and syncopated; one upbeat and contrapuntal—would become a gold standard of the Baroque era.>Before Lully, French court ballets were dominated by slow, rigid, and strictly ceremonial movements. As an avid dancer himself, Lully systematically replaced these with fast-paced, vibrant, and rapid-rhythm movements. He popularized upbeat dance types within orchestral suites.I know denying reality is part of schizophrenia, but you should at least know the truth.
>>131472870lmao. Let me set the record straight:8 > 7 > 9 > 5 > 3 > 2 > 4 > 6 > 1
>2 > 4 > 6 > 1
>>131472964
>>131472983the selfie of the man who does not enjoy the 6th
I sure hope you haven't gone more than two weeks without listening to Beethoven's 9th Symphony, anon!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK4qetlv_vs&list=OLAK5uy_lgqktqNY9Q_Q3O9MZkwjSIbH3G3afRKp4&index=34
>>131472838The truth is the even number symphonies are his best.
>>1314731678 is garbage
>>131472900Anon you're bad at this. 3rd is definitely the GOATed Classical period symphony. 8th can be considered an equal, if you will.
>>1314731968th is the best one.
I'm listening to Chopin's Polonaises!
I'm listening to Mendelssohn's Fantasies!
I'm listening to Medtner's Sonatas!
I'm listening to Fauré's Nocturnes!
oh shi-- I've made it.
>>131473225it's garbage
>>131473343I'm sorry to hear that and hope you get better soon
>>131473343>Hey Anon you got the time?>Ya it's uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 1:45What an awful background.
>>131473381Reads fine for me. It comes off a bit more distinct on the phone itself.
>>131473343Holy based. I'm surprised we have top Rachmaninoff and what was it, top Karajan listeners here lmao.
>>131473415listener*, I know it's the same person.
>Holy based
>Rachmaninoff's Preludes
>>131473510Mogged by Scriabin's and Shostakovich's
>>131473587Even for dancing?
>>131473587Definitely not.
>>131473604especially for phyisical activity of any kind (wink, nudge)>>131473620Incorrect.
>dance with me anon~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM0lLLR-M4Y&list=OLAK5uy_ncPqTHr2U9_zsE6xwc99JYFJg2RrEOz-w&index=5
>>131473703I only dance japanese-butoh-influenced, four-on-the-floor abstract post-rave, sorry
>>131473622Incorrect.
>>131459997shit sounds fucking illegalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiRexfG9ejY
>>131473884Not even Bach's composition. This is Bach for plebs.
>>131473915please dont say pleb you retarded nigger baby ...
>>131473938We don't welcome racism here. >>>/pol/
>>131473864Incorrect.
>>131474240Incorrect.
>>131474259Incorrect.
>>131473884If vandalism included destruction of intellectual property.
>>131471638I wonder why they decided to put them in this order. It's not chronological, alphabetical, or based on popularity.
>>131474079We don't welcome anti-racism here. >>>/lgbt/
>>131474884Personal ranking? Subjectively most dynamic listening order?
>>131474884No idea, but on the larger Ansermet/Stravinsky set, which contains not only the ballets but also stage and orchestral works, the order for the ballets is chronological (I believe).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJgRxwWNRWw&list=OLAK5uy_nhGorOGx82cOMN3fmDt1ntj68NDO1ur9U&index=19
>>131474884a lot of them just do that shit fucking randomly, it's so dumb
>>131474884Maybe it's got something to do with the instruments involved in each piece and the music's availability
>>131475067musician's*, whoops
>>131474886Based Wpilled
Why can't I listen to and enjoy Mozart's piano sonatas anymore? They just sound so... insubstantial. Like they're missing the other half of the notes to give it their foundation, you know what I mean?
Anyone wanna go through all 27 Myaskovsky symphonies with me?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ICNhDJpWcs&list=OLAK5uy_nli2iEFnzg_uxEuRGEfzsOeefS4cW5BqA&index=1
>>131475423time to try different medication
>>131475423this but for all post-baroque solo music
>>131475467i could but i'm pretty happy with just number 5
>>131475423this but got all of Mozart's music except for his piano concertos starting at 20
>>131475467>Myaskovsky I don't hate myself nearly enough
somebody bake
>>131477438>>131477438>>131477438New
the vagner meme
>>131475423Mozart wrote his piano sonatas for his students. They are meant to be played, not listened to.
