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Nice to see good changes in Hamburg. The X33 is largely the same route as I proposed about 3-4 years ago.

>>1965073
I know that feel.
Won't go into the specifics, because of potential doxxing, but a local transportation authority ended up using pretty much exactly the bus routes I posted on some low key public transit board years before.
Now, those were "obvious" solutions, so I'm not suggesting the paid-for engineers took inspiration from that, but it feels amazing, yes.

>>1965068
I have a 4x4 vw t6 with a 10cm liftkit.
I dont care a bit about snow and can drive everywhere and whenever i want.

>>1965068
how quickly can i expect obb to refund my Nightjet ticket considering it was nearly ten hours delayed?

>>1965265
My refunds took about two weeks each.

>>1965267
that's shit, but i guess it's not too bad
someone in my couchette was saying she also had flights partially refunded by OBB as well
I'm not expecting anything, but I hope they at least acknowledge the fact I gave myself seven hours to get from Amsterdam Centraal to Schipol and that still wouldn't have been enough time

>>1965279
Assuming the delay was due to the weather, I don't think you are eligible for a refund on your flight.
You do get a (partial) refund on your train ticket, but that's probably it.
At least that's how I read it:
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/passenger-rights/rail/index_de.htm
>Eine Entschädigung ist nicht fällig, wenn das Bahnunternehmen nachweisen kann, dass der Zugausfall durch Ereignisse verursacht wurde, deren Folgen das Unternehmen auch dann nicht hätte verhindern oder vermeiden können, wenn alle zumutbaren Maßnahmen getroffen worden wären, zum Beispiel:
>>extreme Wetterbedingungen, schwere Naturkatastrophen oder Pandemien – Vorfälle, die nicht mit dem Betrieb der Eisenbahn zusammenhängen
>In diesen Fällen haben Sie zwar keinen Anspruch auf Entschädigung; Ihre anderen Rechte – Anspruch auf Erstattung Ihres Fahrscheins oder anderweitige Beförderung sowie Unterstützung – gelten jedoch weiterhin.

>>1965285
fuck
it's all part of the fun i suppose

>>1965285
it might not be ÖBB to blame for it, but DB Netz being lazy and not cutting down vegetation properly along the rails. I still give it a try claiming that neighboring Swiss, Austrian and Czech trains ran more or less normally the last 2 days.

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The ÖBB Fahrplanbilder for 2024 are out and the train names are missing. Very sovlless.
For comparison the 2023 schedule.

>>1966031
>train names
IC Deichgraf will always remain in my heart...
On the other hand... Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen did not deserve that.

>physische BahnCard soll abgeschafft werden

ajo, die DBAG ist auf einem Selbstmord-Trip.
Ohne "Black Mamba" kündigt der Harald doch sofort!

the new nightjet trains officially ran yesterday from Vienna/Innsbruck to Hamburg and the other way. makes me wonder what people say who did this in a seat and not in the new pods.
today is the first day of service of the night train Berlin - Paris. it's finally back after 9 years.

>>1966767
>Berlin - Paris
Interesting: A train from Sodom to Gomorrah.

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>>1966767
On the northbound train to Hamburg the ÖBB Taurus locomotive had a failure in Nürnberg, so DB Baureihe 101 had to save the day, uhm I meant night of course.

>>1965068
>want to visit a friend Luzern
>3 hours without Gotthardtunnel

>tfw Stendal is not Deutschland anymore

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het is voorbij.
no more French made broken nose locomotives on the IC Berlin - Amsterdam.

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>>1967408
I found this image. DB used to have these Baureihe 1600 locomotives for operating under DC as well.

Who among you was this?
https://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/64017/5674587

>Bundespolizeidirektion München: Als DB-Mitarbeiter ausgegeben
>Mann erschleicht sich Fahrt im Lokführerstand
The power of backpacks with "DB cookie" is real.

Although, why is he not getting tried for Beförderungserschleichung?

>>1968913
>Although, why is he not getting tried for Beförderungserschleichung?
Well, did he have a valid ticket.
Because as far as I have heard about Germany, only train surfers without valid tickets got into notable legal trouble, if they could show that they had a ticket that would allow them to ride the train inside, they mostly got told off.

>>1969155
>Well, did he have a valid ticket.
A valid ticket for the engine?
For example a second class ticket doesn't mean you can't get indicted for transport fraud in the first class.

>>1967408
Your train VILL get pulled by ze Vectron
And you VILL be happy

>>1965068
>when you think you are in a beautiful winter location but then the terminator theme starts playing and you realize it is 2029.

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time to derail this thread :DDD

>>1969948
well apparently someone died because of this derailment. so excuse my spurdo language and have my condolences instead.

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Are the BDcm coaches still in use elsewhere? Baffles me that Vy would buy 50 year old rolling stock for their flagship route.

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>>1970030
private sleeping train operators have really old rolling stock around. European Sleeper are renting a AB30 made in the 1953.
really speaks for using steel for longevity, modern trains with aluminium body should be replaced after 30 years because of material fatigue.
one criticism of using continental rolling stock in Scandinavia is that they might not be properly adapted to the winter up there, people using flixtrain (former DB coaches) in Sweden complain that the trains are cold in winter.

>>1970036
I've already made a rant about this in another thread, but you on the continent are lucky to have mothballed your fleet instead of scrapping it as we did. It's an exciting time for railways now with Flixtrain and Snälltåg making new nighttrain connections.

In the past you could take the same train from Oslo to Hamburg (even with a coach bound for Moscow). Now I have to switch train in Gothenburg and Copenhagen.

>>1970043
>In the past you could take the same train from Oslo to Hamburg (even with a coach bound for Moscow). Now I have to switch train in Gothenburg and Copenhagen.
Train operators hate shunting cars around. It makes operation very expensive, requires redundancies in rolling stock, locomotives andere personnel. That's why locomotive-hauled trains are generalised being phased out.
I don't like it either, but it is what it is. Efficiency, cost-cutting, all that jazz.

>>1970044
I think the tide will turn when you realise that you can't run all of your trains 18 hours a day. If two toilets fail that means your train is canceled, any sort of that bullshit. In Norway this has become apparent as the four mainline has been between three operators. Minimal redundancy if a trainset falls out, instead of a shared pool of reserve sets.

But as I said, I'm happy to see all these private operators having a go at the European train revival.

>>1970044
Sure, shunting is costly, but being able to rearrange trains saves you from running the same route twice.
Just check out Salzburg or Frankfurt at night when the various night trains meet.
Obviously some parts of this could be rationalised by using EMUs, but you can't deny the simple genius of a Kurswagen being pulled by other trains all the way "for free".

fucking hamburg
>S1, S2, S3 go via Altona
>S11, S21, S31 go via Dammtor
>clear what to catch if anyone wants to go to any stops for each line before they reconverge
>remove these
>S1, S3 via Altona
>S2, S5 via Dammtor
>S4 "COMING SOON" via Altona
>S6 via Dammtor in "2032"
fucking hell why could they not do S5 via Altona, and S4 via Dammtor
>even S lines, Dammtor
>odd S lines, Altona

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Notice for the poor souls among us, that "live" in Berlin.

>>1970472
>Kreuzberg
>Neukölln
no-go area's.
whenever you hear about a muzzie chimpout etc its these districts.they are probably attacking paramedic etc with fireworks again.that being said I will never set a foot into this city and I dont consider it a part of germany.

>>1965068
why dont you guys talk in hoch deutsch in this thread?

>>1970596
Because English motherfucker

>>1970596
We do at times, but frankly said, English also works as a protection against absolute retards.

Anybody listening to the "344 Minuten" podcast?
It's Spiegel but kind of comfy to listen to while riding ÖBB.

>>1970949
>ICE 79
oh boy, my biggest delay I experienced on DB. a derailment in Frankfurt caused some chaos there and as if this wasn't enough someone jumped in front of the previous train south of Freiburg, so it accumulated to 2 hours of delay (not too shabby considering the circumstances) and the train being ended early at Basel Badischer Bahnhof at 22:45 in the evening.
Somehow trains from Basel to Zurich really suck after 22:00 and I had to listen to a girl talking non-stop the whole way about her sex life on the phone.

>Der Termin für den Bahnstreik steht offenbar. Wie der Bayerische Rundfunk berichtet, bestreikt die GDL ab Mitte der Woche die Deutsche Bahn.
>Die Aktion soll am Dienstagabend zunächst beim Güterverkehr starten. Mittwochfrüh bis Freitagabend soll dann auch der Personenverkehr
>betroffen sein.

Ich habe die dumme Befürchtung, die Lokführer sind sich ihrer Verhandlungsposition nicht ganz bewusst.
Das könnte für sie relativ schnell ziemlich ungemütlich werden.

>>1972093
Why do they want to strike when trains in Germany are going to be cancelled anyway due to the negative temperatures?
Better strike sometimes when the four enemies of DB aren't active.

>>1971029
>listen to a girl talking non-stop the whole way about her sex life on the phone.
Was it at least an intersting sex life?
>>1972094
>Why do they want to strike when trains in Germany are going to be cancelled anyway due to the negative temperatures?
KEK, this. I bet a lot of people don't really notice anything different with the current strike. Also, I don't notice anything too. Freilassing-Berchtesgaden is ÖBB territory.

https://www.inside-digital.de/news/mit-dem-ice-durch-deutschland-fuer-30-euro-pauschal-angebot-zur-em
>only valid with EC ticket
Meh.

>>1974783
DB introduced mandatory seat reservation for international connections during the Euros. and you can usually find tickets for less than 30 euros as long as you don't travel between Friday afternoon and Monday morning.

>another strike in Germany from January 24th to January 29th
Should've bought a car instead fml

>>1975212
All the EVU I ride with on a daily basis are not impacted.

>2024
>handing a contract to any company under GDL regime
Schiggydiggy

>exactly ONE (1) snowflake is falling from the sky
>1 HOUR DELAYS

>Vor vier Jahren wären in Bayern beinahe zwei Züge miteinander kollidert. Der Abschlussbericht gibt dem regionalen Dialekt der Fahrdienstleiter eine Mitschuld.
kek, Bavarian can be deadly for you.
>>1972889
>Was it at least an intersting sex life?
as far as I remember she was complaining to her friend with benefits on the phone that she had so much sex that it had become meaningless to her.
and yes sex counts as /n/ - transportation in German, we call it "Geschlechtsverkehr". don't ask me why we use the word traffic to describe sex.

>>1975427
>and yes sex counts as /n/ - transportation in German, we call it "Geschlechtsverkehr". don't ask me why we use the word traffic to describe sex.
Kek. You're right. Kinda… Wouldn't it rather translate to gender traffic? But gender transportation could also work. Or maybe reproductive organ traffic, to avoid the whole >there's a gazillion genders!!11!! debate.
Should have asked her if she'd would want to join the 1,66m-high-club (or whatever the "elevation" of the trains lavatory is) with some random nerd. Bet she hadn't done that yet!
>Bavarian can be deadly for you.
>»...äh … da steht der Zug vor eahm«.
>»Dieses Gespräch wies keine Elemente einer Zugmeldung auf«,
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/bayern-und-tirol-dialekt-haette-fast-zur-kollision-zweier-zuege-gefuehrt-gar-nix-davo-gewisst-haen-a-8592b150-c4ee-47a1-a112-2d57d6793fe9
But to be fair, it seems like they both spoke (heavy) dialect and from my experience in that area, bavarian and tyrolian are mostly mutually understandable, if you're used to them, but still, that seems pretty bad.
Also, it astonishing that there are no automatic systems in place that prevent two trains in one section of track. Like, WTF, why is this even a thing anymore?

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>>1975630
>Also, it astonishing that there are no automatic systems in place that prevent two trains in one section of track. Like, WTF, why is this even a thing anymore?
it's better not to know how outdated some branch lines can be. in this case the short German part of the line is still outdated, while Austria modernized their part.
>Der Streckenabschnitt zwischen den Bahnhöfen Ehrwald Zugspitzbahn und Griesen (Oberbay) ist nicht mit einem Streckenblock ausgerüstet. Der Bahnhof Griesen (Oberbay) ist mit einem mechanischen Stellwerk der Bauart Krauss von 1913 mit nachgerüsteter Technik von Scheidt & Bachmann (vereinfachte Nebenbahntechnik) ausgestattet.
it should be modernized this year, so last chance to see it in action.

>>1975638
Guess that fits with what fefe linked a few days ago
https://www.spektrum.de/news/wie-wird-die-deutsche-bahn-wieder-zuverlaessiger/2203916
>Partiell gab es über die Jahrzehnte hinweg immer wieder Neuerungen, die aber nie flächendeckend eingeführt wurden. Entsprechend haben wir heute eine technische Vielfalt, die kaum noch beherrschbar ist. Ich selbst habe die Berechtigung, auf drei dieser Stellwerksgenerationen zu arbeiten – aber auch das ist schon grenzwertig. Inzwischen gibt es fünf Generationen.
Guess that's the 2nd generation then?

>>1975630
>gender traffic
>gender
Geschlecht literally means SEX.
The Anglo hates SEX - probably because he perceives it as "dirty" -, so he has been going with the completely unrelated term of "GENDER" for a while now, and the result is the completely fucked up Western World of 2024.
Fuck the English speaking world in the most asexual way possible.

>>1972093
>Das könnte für sie relativ schnell ziemlich ungemütlich werden.
Here we go:
https://www.n-tv.de/politik/FDP-will-Lokfuehrer-durch-KI-ersetzen-article24689558.html

>>1975901
you need rails equipped with ERMTS/ETCS, reliable trains and reliable wired and wireless connection which Germany doesn't have.
it's easy to call for bullshit projects like the Transrapid or the monorail proposition in Berlin (muh trams block car traffic) or automated trains by politicians instead of doing the boring stuff like enough money maintenance by politicians.

>>1976030
>ERMTS/ETCS
LZB already had AFB. That's not autonomous technology, but it's a baseline from which mere software upgrades could make it that. It's just that you got that almost nowhere, either, so ETCS is certainly the way to go.
>reliable trains
There needs to be some human staff on the train, but that doesn't need to be a driver.
That said, drivers often can't fix malfunctioning current day machinery on their own anyway.
>reliable wired and wireless connection
The wireless connections have been reliable all things considered. Unfortunately DB wants to move away from its own GSM-R mobile network and start using public mobile networks instead for the next iteration (LTE-R or something 5G-based), which is a little worrying, especially considering how bad coverage along railway lines is in general.
Wired connections are obviously always at risk of being targeted by criminals for a variety of reasons, which ultimately may also hit the backbone to the (locally) wireless infrastructure.

new austrian rail projects just dropped
https://www.bmk.gv.at/dam/jcr:c5136711-9ba4-4b2b-91ec-2152e9fa9aad/20240125_Zielnetz2040_Booklet_kompr.pdf

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>>1976077

>>1976078
>abhängig von Maßnahmen in D
hahaha not gonna happen :DDD thanks for nothing Germany

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>>1976077
Checked.
>>1976078
…and neat. Thanks.
One project I'm actually involved in, one is gonna happen on my doorstep (didn't know about that one) and there's a few more my employer should probably apply to.
Where was this presentation done? Any more info besides the slide deck.
guess I'm gonna collect some proactive-employee-brownie-points by sending this to my boss.

Cool

strike is over. that means they are still not working tomorrow.

>Deutsche Bahn sucht Admin für Windows 3.11 for Workgroups
DB is looking for an expert in Windows 3.1 and MS DOS. there has to be some boomer around that still knows how to use a 30 years old operating system.
https://www.heise.de/news/Deutsche-Bahn-sucht-Admin-fuer-Windows-3-11-for-Workgroups-9611543.html

>>1976030
>bullshit projects like the Transrapid
REEEEEEEE
Transrapid is the only system that can actually compete with an airplane in travel time.
>muh trams block car traffic
They do though, and with ground space at a premium in most cities, I'd rather have a monorail with a walk or bicycle path or park beneath it than tram tracks.

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>>1976670
Der einstellende Betrieb wurde auch schon identifiziert.

>>1976673
>Transrapid is the only system that can actually compete with an airplane in travel time.
Maybe in the US, but not even remotely in Germany.
You could get practically all major city connections below the magical 4 hours.
It's a funding problem, not a technology problem.

>>1976680
>Maybe in the US, but not even remotely in Germany.
Huh, you should be able to do Amsterdam-Berlin with a Transrapid in 1:20 which is extremely close to the flight time of 1:15. Door to door Transrapid will win easily. You could add in a stop at Hannover as well.

But it is a funding problem, or more specifically a monetary system problem. You would need to pay 42 Billion for the system assuming 70 million per km for 600 track length.
Current amout of seats from flights and intercity trains are roughly 40000 so about 200 million yearly revenue at 100 euro per single ticket, so the initial cost will never be recouped.

>>1976682
>40000
Those are seats per week. About 18000 flight from Amsterdam to Berlin, and another 5000 between Amsterdam and Hannover.
Rest are is an estimation of the current train seats between Amsterdam and Berlin.

>>1976673
the transrapid criticism has more to do with the Stoiber speech. maybe it's for the better that the S-Bahn takes ages from Munich to the airport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7TboWvVERU

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>>1976670
>Deutsche Bahn
Really? I only read the stuff fefe linked, and that said Erlangen, isn't that Siemens? >>1976679
How old are the Desiros? They aren't that old…
I mean, it's offline (hopefully!) and there's not much needed of it, but still.
Guess riding the rain is vaporwave now.

>>1976697
Heise either has sources they are not revealing, or they are bullshitting.
The article doesn't read like they had a direct correspondence with any DB company.
Everything points at Siemens, but it's not explicitly stated anywhere.

>>1976679
>>1976697
>>1976700
>WFW 3.11 embedded Unsupported as of November 1, 2008
Given that hardware lifespan is up to 20 years between major overhauls, and delays from tender to actual delivery, I rate this as 100% possible. Especially considering the organizational inertia of the rail sector in general.

>>1976727
but there's no point in migrating this stuff to new platform. and it might actually be borderline impossible. they might not have complete source code. they might lack proper documentation. they might not want to spend thousands of manhours on retesting everything, it's cheaper to buy old hw on ebay and fix it ad-hoc.
I've experienced this stuff first-hand.

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news from up north: Metronom is giving up. they say the operation is loss making and want to terminate their contract early. from 2026 a new operator will take up their remaining lines. DB Regio won a contract around Hamburg with their "start" branded operator not that long ago.

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>>1977108
>not calling it multitrackdrifting.jpg
You had one job, anon!

>>1977110
it's looks more like they were trying to get the high score for the trolley problem.

>>1977108
>Metronom is giving up.
Well, faced with the current government, that would also be the decision I'd take, if I was a railway operator.

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today in Mannheim, the wire fell onto a train. you can see where the wire hit the train. kinda good that this happened in the station itself, so train traffic could be rearranged to the tracks that weren't closed for repair.

>>1977417
Scrolling through I read that as manhattan and I stared at the picture for a good 30 seconds in total confusion. If you crop out the top and squint it almost looks like MNRR 125th except none of the equipment makes any sense

>>1977427
doesn't Amtrak use 3rd rail in NYC?

>>1977417
That scorch mark looks like a disapproving dog with glasses standing on it's rear legs.

>>1977108
Rumor has it, the new GDL-contract was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Considering Weselsky is projected to become a DB executive after his regular career, that leaves a bad aftertaste.

infrago doesn't have money for shiny new stuff. stingy swabian housewife mentality postpones or axes all new projects even those that are already planned and ready to build because there's only money for maintenance in the budget.
so Denmark is building the direct tunnel and Germany doesn't have money to properly connect it to make it useful for freight trains.

>1 year old thread

>>1977793
/n/ tends to have slower threads, but learn to read American dates.
Protip: You can recognize them through the "/"-separators.

>>1977794
we used to before we got invaded by urbanism twitter and the corona crowd, now you're lucky if a thread lasts a month and doesn't get jannied

>>1977793
to this day I still don't know what specifically happened on November 9th.

>>1977730
>so Denmark is building the direct tunnel and Germany doesn't have money to properly connect it to make it useful for freight trains.
>doesn't have money
if that was the case, I'd understand, but it's just that Germany doesn't want freight rail, or whatever the fuck the problem is.
Same deal with Gotthard and Brenner.
>Sure, Mountainbros, you built your tunnel and we built the connection that you need to actually make it useful.
>Uh, what do you mean with "this century"? We thought you said this millenium, plenty of time in that left!

>>1977804
It's still much slower than other boards but yeah, there used to be threads that have lasted multiple years.

>>1978172
You can add
>Sure, swamp bros, you can build your freight rail from Rotterdam to our border, and we will take it from there.
>wow done already, nice track bro
>Our part of the track?
>Check back in two more decades lmao.

>>1978261 (me)
In defense of the Germans, a reason for the delays could be that the original plans called for two additional border crossings but these were unilaterally scrapped by the Dutch.

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>>1978262
If it only where this single line, I'd say you have a point, but there's issues at ALL of them, so I'd blame the Germans.
(full disclosure: I am German, but I work for an engineering company that works on one of the lines outsides of Germany)
captcha: ARY4M
I swear, that fucking thing is sentient.
(pic unrelated. Back when DB meant something)

on every single train between Hamburg and Kassel in March there's a note attached
>Bauarbeiten. Zug fällt zwischen Hamburg und Kassel aus.
kek. I know they still need to make a new timetable adjusting for the prolonged construction works on the SFS Hannover - Würzburg. I might end up simply traveling via KRM-Münster-Bremen for a change, as it's hardly any slower at this point.

>>1979196
How does the (regular) fare calculation work for that relation to begin with?
Is ...*KRM*... included in that by default or would that incur a detour surcharge?
Then again, these days the reasonable choices are effectively Sparpreis or BC100.

>>1979197
"Wegevorschrift" for tickets Frankfurt - Hamburg includes both routes via Köln or Hannover. even Koblenz is included if you want to ride through the Rhine valley. so yes it's included by default and no extra "Umwegfahrkarte" is needed in this case.
I looked up the prices for fun.
Flexticket price Frankfurt a. M. - Hamburg via Hannover 137,40 €
Flexticket price Frankfurt a. M. - Hamburg via Köln 126,10 €
so traveling via Ruhrpott-KRM is even cheaper if you were to buy a fully flexible ticket, but I don't know if in this case the route via Kassel-Hannover is included.

>>1979207
>a fully flexible ticket
...except it's not. To quote Wikipedia:
>Zum Fahrplanwechsel im Dezember 2016 wurde – zunächst für ein Jahr – die Flexibilität der Flexpreise eingeschränkt und die Preise je nach Reisetag variiert. Dies wurde zur Regel.
Deutsche Bahn really didn't do itself a favor with that one.

>>1979215
oh, you are right. Friday tickets are more expensive for example.
they offered cheaper non-refundable flextickets as well this winter, but I really don't see the point for it, 1/3 of my supersparpreis tickets turn into flex tickets thanks to the "Zugbindung aufgehoben".

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>IC/ICE-Typ ICE 1, ab 1.3. ICE 4 (12)
looks like I get to ride a classic long ICE 1 one last time this month. the shortened version with 9 cars and without the iconic shaped restaurant car will be around for a couple more years.

Freunde, I'm afraid!
After 10 years out of country, I have to travel long distance with DB again. Said 10 years ago, I used to be a frequent traveller (even managed to get bahn comfort status) but even back then, routes that I didn't know (i.e. knowing when you have to run (sometimes even faster than time, when I knew that I could get a train that was supposed to leave earlier than I arrived, but obviously never did) and when it's not worth), where a dice roll, but now, 10 years later, I can still run, but I don't fucking know if I should and supposedly DB got even worse.
Oh well, I will survive.

>>1979680
Don't be afraid. Check what the general situation with the trains you want to use is like beforehand: https://www.zugfinder.net/
Also: These days you have even got real-time info for busses and trams practically everywhere. Things have improved a lot from a passenger perspective during time table trouble.

Hello thred.
I am American but I live in Germany. Today my RE was delayed and the regional transit app told me it was because of "unbefugte personen auf der strecke", for non-German speakers, unauthorized people on the track. Through googling it, I found out this could mean a trespasser crossing the tracks, kids playing by thr tracks, or even a suicide attempt. However, when I was reading about this, I found references in some comments to radar systems used on the tracks which can detect trespassers, but when I looked it up, I couldn't find anything. Do these really exist? Especially coming from the US, it seems like that would be prohibitively expensive and complex over a wide network, but I saw several references to something like this, so it seems like it exists. Does anyone know!

>>1979832
>Do these really exist?
They do exist for railway crossings. They are called Gefahrenraumfreimeldeanlage.
They generally look like white, oversized, upright pills.

>>1979833
Interesting! Thanks for the reply. I was imagining that being used to monitor long stretches of railway, but it makes more sense to only monitor road crossings. The stretch I usually ride to work doesn't cross any roads, but I'll keep an eye out the next time I'm on a longer journey. Beste Grüße, anon

>>1977431
It kind of looks like the Metro North M8s, which have both a third rail pickup and pantograph.

I was in Freiburg yesterday and they still had the classic Duewag Gelenktram in service. which other cities are still using them in regular service? Düsseldorf has old Duewags on their Stadtbahn.

The other day I was out riding my bike and came across some DB workers near a level crossing, not sure what they were working on. Anyway most of them were milling around, but two had some kind of big radio setup or something, which was like a backpack with a big whip antenna sticking out the top and holding some kind of rod with electronics in it, almost like a metal detector. Any idea what those were? I can't think of any reason you'd need that for construction work that a walkie talkie couldn't handle.

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Well, well, well...

>>1980563
Classic DB, those lovable scamps

>>1980578
If I had to guess, it's because DB Fernverkehr once again tries to pull all customer-facing portals and platforms into its sphere of responsibility ahead of the actual privatization.
The result is rather inexperienced people working on everything, which has painful consequences for the customers.

>>1980365
Damn would love to see a classic Duewag still in service but
>travelling to Germany
>west German city
Are just massive NOPEs

>>1980639
Why's that anon

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they new cycling street in Zürich is a big success.

>>1981146
what's the cost of the fine? 40CHF? 690000 Swiss Francs in not even 2 months lol.

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>>1981146
>hagelt es an Bussen
>bus traffic is literally allowed by the sign

>>1981148
100.- ,
1.73 mio in fines in the first month. I think it takes the cars some time to see the 3 dead end signs and the 4 no driving signs. Now those fines come once a month, and I'm certain there is some guy who has 15+ tickets now.

>>1981154
Was sollen die Schweizer denn machen?
So ohne ß auf der Tastatur?

>>1981146
I hope the BASED 32 trolleybus goes all
>beep beep motherfucker
on those faggy cyclists

>>1980741
German railways are shit.
Migrants.

>>1981161
Bus and cyclists have very little problems. It was the idiots with their cars that ruined Langstrasse, and now those stupid fucks have to pay 1.73 mio in fines just in the first month. I'm laughing so hard right now.

>>1981166
'ate cars
'ate bikes
luv trolleys
luv trams

simple as

>>1981163
>German railways are shit.
They are better than their reputation.

Of course no comparison to the Gods of railways that are Switzerland, the Netherlands and Japan, but I don't feel like complaining too much about my experience.

>>1981174
The dutch part is a lie. Dutch intercity trains are some of the filthiest I've ever been on, even if they were on time. But I agree DB's reputation is worse than it should be.

>>1981163
The worst part of going on public transit is always the public. If I hear one more jackass listening to turkish tiktoks on full blast on the train im gonna lose it

>>1981290
>filthiest
I have done a few trips around the country and it was generally fine.
The cities are dirty (albeit not even close to the French situation), but the trains were clean.

>The worst part of going on public transit is always the public.
Well, duh. That's why anyone that wants to continue voting Green will necessarily take an MIV.

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>>1981157
>and I'm certain there is some guy who has 15+ tickets now.
and here we have Erol, 4 tickets because he is too stupid to read the signs.
https://www.nau.ch/politik/regional/abzocke-svp-kritisiert-goldesel-blitzer-an-der-zurcher-langstrasse-66712687
Been to Langstrasse this afternoon, in the time it took me to walk the 60 meters 3 cars drove trough 1 Bentley (Aargau plates), 1 large Mercedes SUV (Aargau plates) and a small Audi (Aargau plates). Cagers are really dumber than shit.

>>1981295
It might just be anecdotal but the last three times I've been on Dutch trains the outsides look like they've spent a year working at a coal mine and the inside is both sticky and really outdated design. Don't get me started on how the toilet was. But I might've just gotten unlucky.

I think you're underestimating how much people rely on public transit especially outside the US

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>>1981295
a NS train without graffiti in the toilet is something I'm yet to encounter. I find that strange because their stations seem to be clean and nice looking.
also for some reason several of the latest trains for NS are just standing around in Dresden waiting for final "configuration" and testing by Alstom for a while already.

>>1979402
REEE they swapped my particular train 3 days early to ICE 4. if I would have taken the same train yesterday I would have ridden the ICE 1.

>>1981599
I agree anon. The station in Arnhem is (even if I hate the stupid gates that you need to scan your ticket on to get in or even OUT of the station) very modern and clean. Perhaps because those gates keep the tweakers out. But they don't work with the deutschlandticket QR code, even though you can get to the station with the deutschlandticket. Whatever.

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In current leap year news, >Berlin.

FAZ reporting today that the BER airport still has 70% less people using it for domestic flights than Tegel and Schönefeld had combined before the pandemic. except Stuttgart all big German cities can be reached by train in 4 hours or less from Berlin.
I couldn't imagine flying between Munich and Berlin, it takes ages to get to their airports and back to the city center.

>>1965068
This Dutch fella just came in here to leave a complaint. Germany's public transport (trains) are piss poor. Cheap but super unreliable. Can't vouch for Austria or the Swiss. But fuck me man. One of many anecdotes: My parents took a ICE train return Aachen -Berlin, Berlin - Aachen. On the way home to Berlin their train broke down. They had to leave the train. Walk back to the station. A new ICE would take them in 30 minutes. That train was a no show. They made reservations for specific seats (you pay extra for those) they could forget about those seats when they eventually got going again. Took em 11 hours to get to Berlin, should have taken 5,5 hours. On the return trip their high-speed train turned into a local train with well over 20 stops. Again the expected travel time was 6 hours, took em 8,5 hours.

I'd rather have a function railway system than a cheap one. Dutch trains are very expensive (waaay too expensive) but they are more reliable than German trains.

>>1982768
Who, in God's name, would ever voluntarily go to Berlin?
There is simply not enough demand for a fucking airport near that literal swamp.
A Tesla factory alone, that isn't even in Berlin, doesn't create enough demand.

more strikes in March yay.

>>1982838
It's almost like they want to get fired ASAP once fully automated driving gets its legal clearance.
They clearly don't understand the position they are in.
Demanding a 35 hour week in the current workforce market only means the railway companies will put a lot more money towards making that happen even faster.
Sure, Weselsky is about to retire, so he himself doesn't fucking care anymore.

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my hero!

>>1982885
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcqbVmC9M5g
I'm an /n/-diehard with slight hints of autism, but that guy is clearly completely out of his fucking mind.

Wie gut oder der schlecht sind eigentlich Ausbildungen bei der DB?
Bin am überlegen mich dort zu bewerben und zumindest soweit ich weiß, sollen sowohl Bezahlung als auch Ausbildungsqualität generell ziemlich gut sein.

>>1982882
>Germany can't get their shit together with railway infrastructure
>implying they will be able to pull off automated trains in less than 50 years
Hahaha oh wow

>>1983135
If German railways aren't automated by 2040, they are dead, because street transport will be fully automated by then.
At least in the developed world, that is.
There certainly is a place for nowadays' engine drivers even under those circumstances, but I suspect, the companies won't be particularly keen to stay overly reliant on them considering their behavior at the moment.

>>1982778
>Who, in God's name, would ever voluntarily go to Berlin?
It's a very interesting city to visit, if you're interested in general city stuff, arts or history. Of course, there's loads of shitty tourists traps, but some tourist traps actually are not that shitty (just overprized, like the spy museum, or whatever it was) and there's loads of niche stuff to see, some even free (there's a military plane museum on the outskirts, there's some rather nerdy guided tours around cold war bunkers, hell, you can even visit a musuem (for free, I think, on Bundeswehr grounds) on the resistance inside the Wehrmacht (kek…)), plus it's really interesting to see how fucked up Berlin really is. Makes you really glad about where you are that's not Berlin.
>Aber hier leben? Nein danke!
Oh, and their public transport system is quite interesting too, with their many different systems and oddities.

>>1983378
>many different systems and oddities
Breaking one of the fundamental rules of public transit:
A municipality should not employ more than two different systems of local mass transport.
Any additional system decreases system efficiency and increases the mental load on the customer side.
While the latter may get alleviated by mobility apps in 2024, the former point still stands.

>>1982920
what an absolute fucking chad!

DB is offering free extension until the end of the year for the trial bahncard for the UEFA Euro 2024 if Germany wins the tournament. they know that this is very improbable kek.

Why the fuck does DB even exist anymore?
I'd say we just close it down, or sell it for a symbolic 1€ or something, because it's just a farce.
Not only does it generally not work, even when it works normally, but GDL is just the icing on the cake.
And now Weselsky himself says
>Wir beginnen sogenannte Wellenstreiks“, „Damit ist die Eisenbahn kein zuverlässiges Verkehrsmittel mehr.“
>https://www.tagesspiegel.de/wirtschaft/mobilitaet/insgesamt-35-stundiger-ausstand-gdl-bestreikt-deutsche-bahn-ab-donnerstag-11306389.html
Like, WTF, Nigga, what are you doing?
I'm all for workers rights, but this little prick is overdoing it.
And why is the owner of DB (the fucking german state) not stepping in and putting an end to this shitshow? As said, just sell the whole company to whoever is willing to take it. Can't get any worse. Hell, ripping out the tracks and putting highways in instead would be an improvement, even a gridlocked highway has a higher transport capacity and reliability than DB.

>>1983673
>Why the fuck does DB even exist anymore?
Because infrastructure (at scale) is almost necessarily operated at a loss. No private operator would ever consider running a dense whole-nation railway network in Germany like DB.

>I'd say we just close it down, or sell it for a symbolic 1€ or something, because it's just a farce.
Even if you paid billions on top of giving DB away for free, no private entity would ever consider taking it - especially due to DB Infrago.
At the same time it doesn't particularly help DB, that politicians keep intervening at every single corner, but without politicians agreeing to finance DB, DB can't operate, so it's not like there was an option.

>Not only does it generally not work, even when it works normally, but GDL is just the icing on the cake.
The ultimate solution will be to take the engine drivers out of the equation. There is no sugar coating this and they only got themselves to blame.

>And why is the owner of DB (the fucking german state) not stepping in and putting an end to this shitshow?
They aren't allowed to change law just to fix the GDL-issue.
It would require a well-phrased generalized solution.
And looking at the current government, I'm not confident, their guys are capable of pulling that one off.

>As said, just sell the whole company to whoever is willing to take it. Can't get any worse.
Literally no one is willing to take it. If anyone did, he clearly would have no idea what he is doing, and the result would be worse than what we have.

>Hell, ripping out the tracks and putting highways in instead would be an improvement, even a gridlocked highway has a higher transport capacity and reliability than DB.
No, it would mean a significantly lower capacity at useful speeds with massively higher costs. No matter the mode of transport: In general the lower the speed, the higher the capacity, but that's not what you want.

starting next week ÖBB will introduce the Railjet 2.0 generation on extra services between Vienna and Feldkirch for Easter before they will be introduced on the regular Munich - Verona services.
a bit strange that there aren't any photos of the interior or any official presentation of the train yet. the seats in 2nd class are supposed to be the same as in the new nightjet. reviews haven't be too favorable of those seats.
Trenitalia is supposed to send their sleek Frecciarossa 1000 high speed trains to Munich as well once they receive new trains that are capable to run under the CHAD 15kv 16.7Hz voltage.

>train cancelled because of switch failure
>train in front of us broke down so my train was stuck as well
>someone jumped in front of the train just before the evening rush hour
all of these things can happen, but this happened to my all within a week. and you probably guessed wrong, this isn't just another typical DB story, SBB let me down this week.
suicides by train in the evenings are more annoying, it takes ages until replacement buses are organized and you might get stranded if you miss the last connection.

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Australia, what the fuck is this? a schnitzelburger that you can order in the train?

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>>1987026
They better have Lewakassemmerl too or I revolt.

>>1987026
they're way too happy about a shitty sandwich

>>1988975
It's a Schnitzelsemmel, you wouldn't understand.

>Also wer nochmal im SBB-Wagen Dortmund-Hamburg oder im Panoramawagen durchs Mittelrheintal oder im direkten ICE 3 Amsterdam-Basel fahren will, hat nun noch genau 102 Tage Zeit dazu.
uff, that's the end of an era dating back to TEE and even before. no more direct trains between Switzerland and the Netherlands during the day, only the super unreliable sleeper train will remain with old sleeper cars.
The Panorama car has seen better days and at 200km/h it was a borderline experience comfort wise. but still a pity that it won't return anymore on one of the most scenic routes of Germany.

>>1989670
Ist ICE-Treff halbwegs lesenswert?
Ich hänge selbst nur bei DSO rum.

>>1989697
it's slower and friendlier compared to DSO. it's popular for asking practical questions about ticketing and timetable information. DSO can be annoying at times with nagging boomers and too much negativity.
mention Switzerland on DSO and some users throw a fit about how slow the trains there are. also I think the DSO frontend looks outdated.

for those interested here are some German speaking links to the biggest train related forums. some of the posters there are really knowledgeable or work in the industry, so you get first hand information about what's happening.
ice-treff.de
drehscheibe-online.de/foren
bahnforum.ch (requires a free account to read the posts)
schienenweg.at/forum/

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>>1989703
>DSO can be annoying at times with nagging boomers and too much negativity.
Well, what can you do? It's factually getting worse.
Complaining about it makes them feel like they themselves are not to blame. Think climate cultists (pic related). They are a similar breed insofar, although not quite as shizo.
Overall the content stream they generate is fucking awesome, though. It would be difficult to stay up-to-date with railways in Germany (and the world) without them.

I really like reading Drehscheibe magazine, and if buying it helps keeping DSO online, then all is fine.

>>1989714
I mean I like the trip reports of DSO posters going to Eastern Europe to ride old trains there.
but just to mention the latest example, the thread about the presentation of the new railjet in Munich today. first answer is immediately badmouthing the new train, then 3 users shitting on that guy who then more or less says >Anzeige ist raus. absolute comedy, but these guys need to get real, it's a new train, nothing to get immediately personal or insulting about. I would expect such behaviour on 4chan, but here I expect the shitposting.

>>1989717
Ach komm, die Bantz sind doch nicht von schlechten Eltern.
Vor allen Dingen dabei auch noch mit inhaltlichen Argumenten gespickt.
Auch dafür liest man gerne DSO.
t. trauert zwar den n-Wagen hinterher, ist aber trotzdem froh, diese Dinger nicht mehr im Alltag nutzen zu müssen. Selbst die verschrienen "Cola-Dosen" sind doch sehr viel besser.

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Köln will test 90 meter trams between Deutz and Neumarkt this sunday.
pic related: Düsseldorf runs triple B-Wagen on U78 on special events

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I'm the guy who does all the design checks of structural underground part of Hamburg U5 and some other metro lines/stations in Germany (Tiefbau/Spezialtiefbau). It means the strength and sizing of the retaining walls, strength of the soil underneath, serviceability of the concrete slabs and beams, columns in the middle of the typical metro station etc. Basically everything about the structure up to the last centimeter. I'm doing it alone under my chef's supervision, my salary is ca. 3000 Euro netto monthly.

I just wanted to say I hate German public transportation and ride my car daily and don't even have a bicycle. You welcome.

>>1991187
just wondering, how come there's no station between Jungfernstieg and Überseequartier on the U4? yeah, I'm aware that it's all under water, but Hamburg Hochbahn has some really weird network layout. and now they are building the U5 in a literal U shape around the Alster.
why can't Hamburg just build a tram network.

>>1991187
Reported to your work for posting on a nazi website.

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>>1991218
That I don't know brudi, I'm just working with what I've got. The decisions like that are highly political and the working orders come directly from the Stadt. Although I don't think there's a conspiracy there.

>>1991242
It's fine, we are highly unionized, you can't make me get fired for this. And I'm a third-worlder btw, can't fire DEI workers.

>>1991218
> why can't Hamburg just build a tram network.
There was a proposal under the black-green senate, iirc. Which was then cancelled after social democrats got back in power.

Generally, I think there's a lack of vision for the network. And a horrible lack of connections that don't go via central station. The concept of the Alsterhalbring is floating around for a hundred years now and nothing has happened.

Oh, and while I'm already ranting...
They want to move huge parts of the science faculty of the university to Bahrenfeld, as well as put some new industrial estates and flats there. This shall finisharound 2030, and a train connection might come in 2040. The bus lines serving that place are very full already now.

>>1991632
>Which was then cancelled after social democrats got back in power.
Almost too bad they are slowly disappearing into nothing.
Our children will never learn this beautiful song about the social democrats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkY-Ac3WFpA&t=200s

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Nice.

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>>1991916
>Sorry sir, we have a strict "no singles" policy in this carriage.

>>1981174
>the Gods of railways that are [...] the Netherlands
>>>/wsg/5517608

>>1991957
The problem is probably rather that a single ticket doesn't secure you being left alone.

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heh, they just painted over the DB logo. still better than the shitty shüttels.

>>1991187
Glück auf, Kollege.
I'm working at the various Austrian tunneling projects, but I'm only on the surface, so I'm at less than 3k net.
Oh well, at least my house cost me only 300k net, so it's all good.

>>1989717
>new railjet in Munich today. first answer is immediately badmouthing the new train,
Well, if the old railjet is anything to go by, that probably is warranted.
Sure, the red and black color scheme on the outside looks great, but damn, are they an ugly, dimly lit and uncomfortable dungeon inside. IC and ICE are miles ahead in comfort and look and feel.
>>1992142
Wait, what? ÖBB finally has proper carriages? I'm still mad the that Frankfurt-Graz EC now isn't done by DB anymore but by ÖBB. While not as bad as the railjet, their IC carriages suck too. And they're generally even more disfunctional than DBs oldest IC ones.
>>1991916
Neat. Less space, but more privacy. But yeah, no. At least not without a thorough cleaning at every stop. because you know…
>https://www.youporn.com/watch/15846520/auf-einer-fahrt-mit-dem-ersties-zug/

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>>1991916
>compartment, Deutschland
meh
>compartment, Nippon
omg, sugoi

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>willkommä in dütschland
minuaturenwelt gave a brochure in Bernese dialect, which I had trouble reading. just use standard German for all things written when referring to Switzerland.
also kek that the ICE is named after the city of Hamburg that doesn't even have a Bundesliga team. they might have one again next season but not the HSV lol.

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Eh...No.

I think, I'll be getting my D-Ticket elsewhere.

>>1993665
>ticket shop looks like a textbook phishing site
Is that the power of German IT?
The only thing missing is some reference to SAP.

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Has /chad/ been getting around?

>>1994882
Why would you go from Göttingen shithole to a Glauchau shithole, and not simply go but also make it one of the most popular routes?

>>1994883
It's about LINES, not relations.
Probably not too many going from Garmisch to Ingolstadt, or Düsseldorf to Osnabrück either.

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>>1994882
only map that matters to me right now. Frankfurt - Kassel is currently faster with the RE than the ICE right now, with the latter getting rerouted via Aschaffenburg - Gemünden.
while I enjoyed seeing other parts of the country, ICE taking up to 2 hours longer between Frankfurt and Berlin or Hamburg really is a slog after a while. yesterday our train was overtaken by the fucking Flixtrain because our train was 20 minutes ahead of schedule. checking the timetable the Flixtrain is now faster than the ICE lol.

>>1995001
>Frankfurt - Kassel
I really like the cheeky "IC34" on the relation, which is rideable with a D-Ticket from Dillenburg to Dortmund.
The time table is constructed as to it never being the fastest connection for anyone coming from Frankfurt, but it's really a nice throw-back to the days of the InterRegio.

>>1995001
Bavariabros...

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>>1995012
traveling to Siegen on a IC with the D-Ticket. sounds interesting. I'll buy some Sauerländer Gurken.

>>1995021
Oh right, it was via Siegen, not Kassel/Warburg.
Sorry for that brainfart.

>>1995019
not the problem of the rest of country that Bavaria decided to dig a hole in Munich to burn money there (7 billion €uros cost estimate currently). 2. Stammstrecke is making Stuttgart 21 look like an absolute bargain.

>>1997057
Don't worry, we are sitting right behind (You).

just some random thoughts about diesel trains in Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg I rode recently. (yeah I know, they all run on used cooking oil and not diesel)
>BR612 (Adtranz/Bombardier RegioSwinger)
I hate them so much. They are so loud and after a while I get motion sickness from the tilting. Why do they have to be so reliable. They get coupled and uncoupled all the time and don't have a problem with it.
>BR650 (Adtranz/Stadler Regio-Shuttle)
It's a bus on rails. They have some really good acceleration for a diesel train. Just the capacity of these things is also like in a bus. Yeah you can couple units together, but sometimes they are simply too small.
>BR633 (Pesa Link)
They saved me during the 9€ summer with really good air conditioning and also saved me from having to ride a 612 a couple of times. what's not to like about these Polish kurwas on German rails.
>BR642 (Siemens Desiro Classic)
The trains of my desiros. If only they had faster acceleration, they wouldn't get replaced everywhere. They are still in use between Kempten and Pfronten. really comfy but slow. Really makes you think when you see the A7 Autobahn running next to it while the train slows down to 20 km/h to drive across an unprotected road crossing.
>Lint/Walfisch/Talent (Diesel)
Didn't have the chance to ride these yet. By what I heard of the Lints I might not ride them.

>>1999367
>>BR612 (Adtranz/Bombardier RegioSwinger)
>I hate them so much.
Only ever rode those on vacation, but I remember them fondly.
Cushy seating, fucking fast, large windows...what's not to like about them?

>>1999371
Cushy seating? Maybe in the units that used to be IC trains. The units in the south for DB Regio were refurbished with standard seats you find in regional trains. Not great not terrible. The headrest is somewhat soft in the Bavarian units.
My hate for them is because I used them on the very curvy line through the Allgäu and get motion sick as they really tilt into the curves. They have by far the loudest motor sound and you literally sit above them.

>>1999380
>you find in regional trains
Do you know BR422/3/5/6? Those have been my default hour-long rides these last few years.
BR612 seating is LEAGUES above those. Note: I'm not complaining about BR422/3/5/6. They have grown close to my heart over time.

>>1999381
Of course I know the 425 and the super straight seats that are even worse than in S-Bahn trains. Bless the German rail industry for having sound engineers employed and making up for the shitty seats.
I managed to take a nap in a Stadtbahn Karlsruhe train, shitty seats as well, especially when you ride the whole route across the black forest to the Neckar.

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>>1999367
Agreed on the RegioSwinger, I never get sick while travelling, but those on a curvy line will make me feel queasy.
Back in the day the Burgenlandbahn branch line in Saxony-Anhalt ran the LVT/S. Rickety as hell and with a really weird seatplan, but they had a certain charm. They got replaced by Walfish a while ago.

I'm sitting in a Lint (BR622 longer 2 car version with separate bogies) and can continue my series of Diesel trains. The ride quality is absolute dog shit, the train is super shaky. Seems to be an Alstom special. The only toilet of the train is currently out of order, thanks SWEG. The big windows are nice, but it's single layer glass only kek, what were they thinking.

>>1999922
I have to add that the seat pitch is horrible as well, really airline tier. Fortunately I'm sitting in a bay of four, so I didn't notice it earlier.

>>1999922
>>1999924
Der LINT ist nun mal kein FLIRT, aber selbst die alten 628er sind da besser.

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>>1999380
>They have by far the loudest motor sound and you literally sit above them.
But that's the best part of them!
>Angry diesel-hydraulic squealing intensifies
Oh, fuck. I just realized I was thinking about the 611. They don't make 'em like they used to anymore...

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Surprised no one has mentioned this here yet, but it's been confirmed now that DB will phase out all their ICE 2 class 402 units until 2027. Unlike their close predecesors class 401, which were the first ICE units put into service in the early 90s and also the first real modern high-speed trains in Germany, they will not receive a general overhaul to increase the livespan similar to the LDV program for the ICE 1.

Main reasons for this decision are apparently the different less durable build structure of the second generation and issues with a potential ETCS retrofit. Unlike the first gen, which runs with a loco on each end, the second gen is strictly speaking a push-pull train with a driver's cab on one end. Since their main purpose was running on lines as double units with splits midway to service different destinations (Ruhr Area - Berlin and Bremen / Hamburg - Munich), finding a new place for them within the network would be a bit of an issue as well as they are already being replaced on their current lines by the 7 car ICE 4 units. The last main inspection on an ICE 2 unit was already completed in 2023 and the first unit already has been retired from service as well. It's also not too farfetched to consider that some of the retired units will also as spare parts donors for the modernized ICE 1 units.

https://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?002,10767875,page=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRzgo7hCMDc

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Also the new ICE 3 neo units class 408, which are currently being delivered by Siemens and are already used on national services, received their ERA certification for Belgium and the Netherlands, and will soon replace class 406 serving lines to Brussels and Amsterdam. These units have been becoming increasingly unreliable due to issues with electronics resulting from aging semiconductor parts. It's planned to use the remaining class 406 units on national lines for the time being, but it's not unlikely they will be phased out in the next few years as well depending on how much effort it takes to keep the rather small number of units running (compared to mono-current class 403).

>>2000367
had the pleasure to ride one of those because construction works forced me to change trains. I have no beef with the ICE 4, but the ride quality on the ICE 2 was so much better.
>>2000368
the BR 406 definitively have seen better times. makes me wonder if you could run a BR 408 to Italy as they have the same AC current as in Belgium.

Hey guys, I'm new to Germany (from the US so passenger rail is new and exciting) and live in NRW. What are your favorite routes to ride around Europe? Cool trains, beautiful scenery, historical places, whatever.
My favorites so far:
>Koblenz-Mainz along the Rhein
>Any of the RE routes through the Schwarzwald
>München-GarmischPartenkirchen into the alps
Thanks :D

>>1999371
Ever rode one at night on bad tracks?
The tilting mechanism requires very soft lateral suspension so if the tracks suck these things rock around like a boat in waves. People get sea-sick in these.
My area had them, I know at least two people who puked into them as a result of that.

Has anyone been on the new NightJet capsule hotel style sleepers? I've read some good things about them but don't really want to cough up the 85 euros + for booking yet

>>2000490
All I know about ÖBB night trains is that they've cranked up the prices and they're now expensive as hell

>>2000490
yes I did. tickets for a pod are just 40€ (or only 29€ if you have a Klimaticket) for the the domestic sleeper train between Bregenz and Vienna and you even get a small breakfast included in the price. the Nightjet pillows in couchette/Liegewagen class are an absolute joke, so better bring your own. you have to make the bed yourself, the sheet for it is provided. I was warm enough, but with the constant airflow and the thin blanket you might get cold in the pods, some people take a sleeping bag with them and use these.
the good thing about the pods is the privacy, so you can sleep naked in it if you want. and I liked using the walls to sleep on the side. the ride quality isn't the greatest and the walls are rather thin, you can easily hear your pod neighbors or in my case an overexcited girl traveling the first time in a sleeper train with her grandparents in the couchette compartment just next to my pod. if you choose the lower bunk there's some extra space under the mattress. lift it and you will find a hatch that you can open.
the pods are good to spend 8-9 hours where you simply sleep or try to sleep, but sitting in these things isn't very comfy if you travel 12 hours from Hamburg to Innsbruck or Vienna.

>>2000488
>Ever rode one at night...I know at least two people who puked into them as a result of that.
Coming home from a night at the pub? Figures, they'd puke more easily.
That said, I have ridden night trains abroad on "jointed track" without trouble, so I may very well be a bad point of reference.

>>2000497
Very good response thanks anon. Sounds like it would be worth it if I'm doing that shorter distance. I love sleeper trains (the Helsinki-Rovaniemi one in Finland is exceptional) so it's worth a little extra hassle for the experience.

>>2000487
there are so many scenic routes if you include all of Europe, so it's up to preference if you like mountains or lines running on a shoreline or simply a hilly landscape in a rural area. so just a short list of German railway lines that I like:
>VDE8
generally the dedicated high speed lines, they often run elevated and on bridges. my favorite is the VDE 8 between Bamberg and Leipzig through the Thüringerwald and on the Saale-Elster viaduct, the longest bridge of Germany at a length of 6.5km.
>Schwäbische Alb
also in general the many branch lines in the south, not having 2 meters tall sound barriers as on main lines makes it a more pleasant experience. so you get to see lots of historical small and mid-sized towns with Fachwerkhäuser, castle ruins and rivers. I'd would put the Höllentalbahn from Freiburg to Titisee and Seebrugg first, but the trains used on this line (Alstom Coradia Stream) have small windows, so you can't see shit. So the part along the Danube between Tuttlingen and Sigmaringen gets first place for me. I can recommend continuing north from Sigmaringen to Tübingen to see more of the Schwäbische Alb.
>Berlin
the Berlin Stadtbahn. there's something about being able to cross the biggest city and being able to see it all from a viaduct.
>Vogelfluglinie
not a thing anymore, but I rode the diesel version of the ICE to Denmark back in the days. the train directly drove onto a ferry. nowadays you have to travel to Sicily if you want to experience something similar.
>Wuppertaler Schwebebahn
as you're located in NRW, if you haven't done already then the Wuppertal suspension railway is an absolute must.
>Harzer Schmallspurbahnen
I haven't ridden the Harz railways yet. the Deutschlandticket is valid on the regular trains that don't go up the Brocken, that even includes steam engine hauled trains. so something to consider for a train autist.

>>2000487
>What are your favorite routes to ride around Europe?
There's honestly loads and loads of interesting and scenic railway lines spread across Europe.

Since you are currently living in NRW and already mentioned the middle rhine line(s) (there's one on each riverside), you could extend it to the Mosel and Saar valley as well. Beautiful mountain landscape with loads of old castles and villages, riding along one of the biggest wine growing regions in Europe. Generally there are tons of beautiful secondary lines that are either going into or crossing sections of the German middle mountains, the wide stretch of mountain groups reaching across the country from east to west, between the nordic plains and the alps.

The railway lines in the alps are a whole different beast though. Switzerland and Austria have loads of highly impressive lines that are absolutely worth visiting just for the ride. Sadly I've never been to the former, so I can only recommend some Austrian lines in the south of Salzburg like Salzburg - Innsbruck (which you can then connect with Innsbruck - Garmisch - München), the Pyhrn Bahn or the Tauernbahn, for the latter especially the section between Schwarzach St.Veit and Mallnitz-Obervellach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CjoHETBq6U

>>2000499
One claims he was sober.
Note that that only happened with the 612, not with any of the other trains in the area (Talent, Desiro, Lint, 628, 425, 426, DoSto etc.)

>>2000503 (continued)
>entrances with style
I love it every time crossing the Hohenzollernbrücke into Köln Hauptbahnhof. crossing the Rhine, seeing the mighty Cologne cathedral and that fucking Echt Kölnisch Wasser sign in the train hall. also worth mentioning is the crossing to the island train station of Lindau at lake Constance/Bodensee.
>evening at the upper Rhine valley
yes, it's one of those main lines flanked with 2 meter tall sound barriers. and yet there's nothing more relaxing than riding a train with the Schwarzwald on one side and the Vogesen on the other side of the Rhine in the evening sun. it can also be done on the French side of the Rhine. they have super comfy classic trains and the off peak ticket Strasbourg - Basel costs 10€ when booked in advance online from the French state railways.
>the alps after all
you don't have to leave Germany to see the alps, but you can with the Deutschlandticket. the railway line between Pfronten, Bavaria to Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Bavaria runs through Austria. the line itself is run by DB Regio. if you ever intend to visit Füssen and Neuwschwanstein castle then there's an alternative travel option. take the train from Ulm to Kempten, change to the train to Pfronten-Ried and take the bus from there to Füssen. nice way to evade the masses of tourists coming from Munich.

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>>2000509
>>2000505
Super responses, anons! That's really cool about the route through Austria with the D-Ticket, riding trains through the alps is incredible. The Schwebebahn is a lot of fun too, I've ridden it all the way down the line since I'm quite close to there. I'm planning to go down to some of the vineyards along the Rhein with the gf in the next few weeks too.
As a bonus, here's a spot I went camping a few months ago, on a ridge overlooking the main line along the Rhein. Kind of hard to see, but the track is right on the other side of this rocky outcropping, so I had a magnificent view of the ICEs, REs, and freights all evening until I put in my earplugs to sleep. Will definitely go back sometime!

>>1992142
Had a chance to ride the ex-DB IC car in Austria. They've definitely seen better days, but still are more comfy in 2nd class than most rolling stock that ÖBB has. I had a classic ÖBB compartment to myself on my way back. You can slide the seats all the way together and I had a really good nap, so I rate them higher than the DB IC cars.
Also kinda funny how there are still "D Zug" labeled trains run by ÖBB, who love to name their train lines -jet as if they were running an airline. Not many train companies are still using this name for express trains. That's and the few IC branded trains are where you can find the old rolling stock.
Also not many 4020 are left, Siemens Desiros are everywhere in Austria now.

>Flixbus
https://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/passagiere-in-angst-im-flixbus-berlin-paris-beide-fahrer-betrunken-666304af202bc13a36cab01a

It's summer already, did the DB trains stop coming late?

>>1970036
reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?vds42=lemMFXNXRIg

Stuttgart 21 delayed by another year and will open in December 2026.

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>n-Wagen in Switzerland
what a time to be alive. this makes me miss the old SBB cars like BPM-51 or EW II.

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>>1965068
>visit /n/ for the first time in 10 years

>threads last +6 months

h o l y f u c k

>>2003926
>yea i'll take the last possible train before kickoff
>what the fuck the train is delayed and now i missed kickoff
absolutely retarded

>>2004176
problem was that they didn't manage to repair the tracks from the flooding damage in time between Passau and Regensburg. but nobody bothered to inform ÖBB and DB the day before, so the fans could be rerouted via Munich instead of letting them strand in Passau.
other complaints so far were the handling of traffic from and to the stadiums. Cologne simply didn''t send any trams to the stadium after the game because they couldn't handle the traffic, you are supposed to walk to the S-Bahn or tram stops further away. you either need to be a fan of 1. FC Köln or finding some pdf explaining this on the homepage of the stadium to even know this.

>>2004180
You mean, they didn't send additional Line 1 trains?
That's absolute fucking madness. What the hell were KVB thinking?

>>2003958
I'm pretty sure Transport doesn't appear on the home page so this place is very low traffic

>>2004182
>Nach dem Spiel Ungarn - Schweiz stellte die Straßenbahnline 1 ihren Betrieb ein
not no additional trams, no trams at all.

>>2004207
>KVB
Considering this: Seriously, if you have tickets for a match in Cologne, go by car instead.

>junge Leute unter 28 Jahren, die das Deutschlandticket besitzen, können im Juli und August damit ohne weitere Kosten in der Region Grand Est fahren. Diese Aktion gilt jedoch nur für Einwohner von Baden-Württemberg, Rheinland-Pfalz sowie dem Saarland!
Elsaß-Lothringen joining Deutschland(ticket) again. I assume they will check your ID to check for age and place of residence. Grand-Est includes cities further to the west like Troyes or Reims, that aren't that far away from Paris.
too bad I'm too old to be eligible, as French train ticket prices are extortionate. Grand-Est has older but really comfortable rolling stock and the French national train museum in Mulhouse might be worth a visit as well if you are a young train autist. it's definitely worth your time riding trains there.

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WESTbahn (under a new name SÜDbahn) has requested the austrian regulatory bodies for a schedule for 5 daily trains Wien-Graz-Villach in the years 2025/26.
Proposed rolling stock would be Stadler SMILEs (similar to SBB Girunos)
Quelle: DSO

>>2004475
I hated to beta test these trains as normal passenger. I was stuck in one for an hour once, that's why the Girunos aren't my favorite trains. they look like bad jokes at Milano Central next to the sleek Italian highspeed trains. SBB is actually using them between Frankfurt and Zürich now. but I'd rather take the ICE, even with the delays, the seats in ICE second class are more comfortable that the seats in first class of the SBB Giruno.
what's funny about the purchase is, that SÜDbahn only wants to keep them until the Semmering base tunnel will be opened, then they want to switch to Stadler KISS trains (yeah, they want to try out the CRRC copy sooner or later, but chinks still haven't managed to get it certified) and sell the Stadler SMILE.

Stuttgart says S21 will be ready in 2026 but this is a political lie. The construction will drag on until 2028 and open either later in the year or in 2029. It literally says it in the the Terminplanung.

your secret agent among them, don't report me please

>>2003926
>>2004176
>>2004180
Kennt man so anscheinend anderswo einfach nicht.
https://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/em/article252160760/EM-2024-New-York-Times-verreisst-die-deutsche-EM.html
>„Während Menschen außerhalb Deutschlands über die Verspätungen entsetzt sind, kennen diejenigen, die im Land leben, die Probleme der DB nur zu gut.
>Züge sind verspätet. Züge kommen nicht an. Anschlüsse werden verpasst und die Menschen sitzen fest. Setzen Sie sich in einen DB-Wagen, wenn eine
>Verspätung angekündigt wird, und achten Sie auf die Blicke, die die Deutschen austauschen, und darauf, wie sie mit den Augen rollen; es ist zu einer Pointe geworden.“

Wat nu?

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lol, why isn't this a thing anymore? they even served alcohol in the McDonalds restaurant car.

>2025 werden die 49 Euro nicht zu halten sein.
https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Laender-Deutschlandticket-wird-2025-teurer-article25072441.html

Today was the last day of the SBB panorama coach in Germany in regular use. You will be missed. The EuroCity 8/9 is coming back after the Riedbahn closure for one last year, but without the panoramic car.

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Found a video of former DB type Bpmz IC coaches in service for Bulgarian state railway BDZ. They were purchased just a few months ago if I remember correctly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT1PyeA42xA

>>2005769
It was tested in Germany during the early 90s as well with two dining cars and called "McTrain", but stopped after a year since demand was too low to make it worthwile. Nowadays it's not really a viable concept anymore, because every bigger city with an IC or highspeed train stop will likely have at least one fastfood restaurant available for travellers.

https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/deutsche-bahn-verlust-106.html
>1.500 DB-Mitarbeiter werden noch dieses Jahr entlassen
>mittelfristig ein Abbau von 30.000 Stellen

Das konnten wirklich nur die Grünen erreichen.
Bei konservativen Parteien in der Regierung hätten sie aus Protest die Republik in Brand gesteckt. (Anreise natürlich per Flugzeug.)

Ab heute Abend beginnt die Generalsanierung zwischen Hamburg und Berlin.
https://www.bahn.de/service/fahrplaene/baustellen/hamburg-berlin

Gesamtübersicht über alle "Großbaustellen" dieses Jahres:
https://www.bahn.de/service/fahrplaene/baustellen

>>2013767
>>2011524
English motherfucker

But yeah DB is really the absolute worst

>>2013767
they called the red cross to support passengers waiting for the replacement bus in Baden-Baden. like this fancy spa town is in some third world country.

>>2013813
Sänk juh for träwelling wiss /tschäd/.
(There hasn't been a global rule against non-English posts for almost a decade.)

>>2013817
A better solution than doing nothing at all tbph.
It's not like DB StuSs' skeleton crew was able to do anything there on its own.

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>Deutschland

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ÖBB gave us Schnitzelburgers. now DB is striking back with their Croissantbrötchen insulting French cuisine. they also have "coq au vin" during their 2 months of serving fake French food. SBB needs to up their dining car game and not just serve "Hörnli mit Gekacktem".

>>2016215
Prices have become kind of insane, though.
€12.50 for a Chili con Carne are only possible in an environment without competition.

>>2011524
I am really glad I left this sinking ship 2 years ago. And a lot more will leave in the future, not just because of retirement but because of the treatment of the workers in this company and mismanagement

>>2011524
>>2016289
Probably related:
>Die Bahn möchte den Ausbau der digitalen Stellwerkstechnik und der digitalen Schieneninfrastruktur stoppen.
https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/baden-wuerttemberg/stuttgart/bahn-will-digitalisierung-in-deutschland-stoppen-100.html

Especially
>Auch der Ausbau des neuen digitalen europäischen Zugsicherungssystems, dem European Train Control System (ETCS), soll demnach stark reduziert werden.
is a confession of complete failure.

ÖBB started to use their new sleeper train sets on the Munich - Vienna - Rome route. I don't know if I would want to spend 14 hours (currently 16 hours because of construction works in Italy) in a pod, the prices are pretty nice at 55€ though.

Has already been running for hours, but I guess it could be interesting to watch non-live as well.
Die 11. Straßenbahn-EM:
https://www.youtube.com/live/RQUG44aCA74

>>2018005
For a sperg like me guaranteed privacy and a cheaper ticket sounds like a good deal desu.

>Berlin
https://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/gunnar-schupelius-gruene-fuhren-u-bahn-in-berlin-an-die-wand-66e7006b0a79db0be644f5ce
>Die Fahrt mit der U-Bahn ist in Berlin jetzt zum Glücksspiel geworden: kommt eine, kommt keine? Verspätungen und Zugausfälle werden zur Regel – lange Takte sowieso.

...und DIE erlauben sich, dem Rest des Landes erzählen zu wollen, wie er den ÖV zu gestalten habe.
Die Grünen sind die beste Konjunkturhilfe für die Autoindustrie. Die ausländische Autoindustrie natürlich.

>>2018707
>Bild
lol, ain't clickin that. as if CDU who rules Berlin right now cares about public transport. Their Verkehrssenator Schreiner only cares about cars and scrapped bike lane projects, blocks tram extensions and acceleration projects. meanwhile in Munich the situation has been much worse, on some days there were only 50% of the U-Bahn trains running and the public transport there is still stuck in 1972.

>>1965068
Taiwan metro trains are getting better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdDYVjDwgwA

Deutschlandticket costs 58€ next year.

>>2019601
Why not directly go for €59?
It's not like there was a major mental barrier between 58 and 59.

>Schenker sale confirmed

A grave mistake.

>ICE arriving 20 minutes early
>Ticket only cost 18€ for an 8 and a half hour ride in the same ICE
Most positive DB experience of the year. Yeah that padding is ridiculously big, but I think I spent enough time on the same train (BR 412 - short ICE 4). I don't know how Americans are doing this on much longer rides.
>>2020631
Trust a Dane, feel the pain.

>>2020647
>Trust a Dane, feel the pain.
It's not about WHO they are selling it to, it's that they are selling it AT ALL.
Railway can't hope to compete in freight in 2024 (or later), if it can't cover the "last mile" inside its own system.
That's what Schenker would have been absolutely perfect for.
It's fucking ridiculous, the management hasn't managed to put any life into those synergies waiting to be uncovered, that could have saved DB Cargo with ease.

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Monday, Tuesday and today the central stations of Graz, Linz and Salzburg were closed after three bomb threats.
Together with the Westbahn flooding, ÖBB is not very lucky these days.

>>2020664
meanwhile Innsbruck wasn't closed, because the local police found the bomb threat in their e-mail folder after the indicated time the bomb was supposed to explode. good lazy slow Tiroler lol.

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The future of public transport is now.

Honestly, if we don't get automatic driving of trains working at network scale in the near future, railway fucking is done.
There is no hope it can compete.

>Frankfurt (Main) Hbf
>>>/wsg/5703122
Sad.

new Roland episode dropped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeL5b-C2nuU

>>2020664
Thanks diversity, very cool!

>>2023428
it was a Swiss schizo literally making the threats out of a mental institute.

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Läuft einfach bei euch in Berlin.

https://www.bz-berlin.de/brandenburg/brand-bahnhof-ahrensfelde

>>2023932
that's not even the first Bombardier Talent 1 to catch fire.

>>2023961
There is still the suspicion of arson:
https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/beitrag/2024/11/brand-feuer-zug-ahrensfelde-neb-diesel-polizei-ermittlungen-zeugen-barnim.html