3 speedAll you need
3 sneeds, all you feeds
2 shoes1 drumAll you need
The trick is to set the range suitable for you with the rear cog. For helthy young men like us, maybe change the 22 to 20 or 18.For realsies though, S5 is the best hub but with the worst shifter.
>>1980531Thanks but i stay with my Di2 ultegra.This weird pos you posted probably weighs as much as my wheelset.
>>1980531two speeds too many. what do you think i am? racist or something
Don't even need the rest of the bike
>>1980550>S5>goodAbsolutely based
Speedlets.Imagine not having the biblically correct number of speeds to choose from.
>>1980627What is this?I hate hub gears because i cant put down power.There are quite a few small but step hills around my house where i push with a peak power of over 1kw for 30 seconds. A hub gear would simply disintegrate at peaks over 1,5kw.
>>1980631Thats weird since most peoples hubs hold up fine even upwards of 2 kw. Perhaps swuat some and get a gear hub for commutes ? Squatting will also keep you healthy into age.
>>1980608A good compromise between range, durability and complexity. The new 8-11 speeds are finicky and need to be serviced at the shop.I know 5 speeds at 25% increments (relative to the middle gear) is not amazing but good enough for a commuter.
>>1980531You can take my STEPS / AXS 12sp from my cold dead hands.....
>>1980531might as well use a single speed
60s stepthroughs with 3speeds are literally the ideal commuter bike if you live within 5 miles of your job, plus theyre like $20 bucks.my daily is an 80s mongoose mixte frame with an overhauled '58 sturmey 3 speed, i use a bar end friction shifter.
Those old 3 speeds slipped out of gear so often that there was a name for it in British medical books after WW2. "Raleigh balls"
>>1980705More of a symptom of shitty coily outer cables that compresses.AW was solid, it was made since 1936 to like 2019
>>1980955i heard to stick to early AWs made prior to like 1968 because they got really shitty.. I have an '87 schwinn with an s3c sturmey, and that thing sucks ass and chipped a bunch of gear teeth before it imploded
i bought this weird trek for $100 that has a shimano 3speed on the back, and a dynamo hub on the front.. there's no shifter, the dynamo powers this little battery/solenoid system that automatically shifts.. it's kinda cool.. i suppose it's like an '08 shimano nexus coaster.. not sure how reliable it will be
>>1980979There is a gt cruiser nearby with a similar setup.Neat, but it's not 250 usd neat.
>>1980979we don't even brook automatic transmissions in cars in this household. i'm certainly not going to put one on a bicycle. save the manuals!
>>1981012if the shift mech dies, i can always install one of picrel. i could even use the enclosure of the dead mechanism to house a battery, wire the dynamo and a usb port to it for charging.
>>1980979Mechanically inferior to the Land Rider autoshift
>>1981037is it?
>>1980971I'd say they got REALLY shitty after the 70's90's SA hubs are rarely seen without pitted cones, broken axles or malformed/broken sun gears, and if they are in good condition, they run heavy
>>1981603You know what has none of those problems?-Torpedo
>>1980550I just got a new trike with an s5, I went cross country with the three speed hub last year and had no problem, the s5 so far is great but the shifter is tricky but doesn't bother me
>>1982201Yes, but then Sram bought them and then they fucked it into ground because americans cant into gear hubs
>>1982255lol more far are sold in the US than the UK, despite the fact that American's typically see them as an "English thing"
>>1982253Have you done the Sheldon Brown thing; operate it with a normal Sturney Archer 3 speed shifter and a friction shifter for high/low range?
>>1982262that only works with old 3 speeds, and it's kinda shitty because if you're not dead-on 2nd, there's a good chance you'll slip out of gear into the neutral zone and eat shit when you stand up to pedal. Works okay, though
>>1982268You shouldn't have force on the pedals while shifting any hub gear, anyway.I was assuming the 2 cable version of S5, if that wasn't clear.
>>1982279why ... does it come with two levers and cables ? to you take up the slack on the opposite lever because it's got no spring or what is the joke ?
>>1982279>>1982279oh, i wasn't familiar with that. my b.>You shouldn't have force on the pedals while shifting any hub gear, anyway.it's not about that, it's about not being fully seated on the gears/pawls when you shift, then having it slip later down the road when you stand up and get after it.>>1982284looks like a shifting mech on each side of the hub. ive never seen one of these before.
>>1982284The cables are independent, they both have some spring force behind them.The extra cable selects if your 1st gear on the 1st cable is 78 or 66 % reduction or 3rd gear 125 or 150 % increase. (2nd gear is the same in both cases.)
>>1982297interesting. so basically the extra cable gives 1st and 3rd have a "high" and "low" option
>>1982261Oh, I thougt you meant the sachs/sram spectro 5 for some reason, had a brainfart there.Yeah, SA 5 speeds were never common in europe because they're all in the landfil by now
>>1982381They were super premium until a brief period at the turn of the 90s and were then quickly superceded by the better offerings of Shimano and SRAM at which point SA was out of money to innovate and was bought off.Not terribly common, yes. Only for ultra normies who were afraid of derailleurs.
>>1982388Any internally geared hub was superior to derailleurs until like '72
>>1982400You might easily argue they still are. It depends on what you value in a drive system.
>>1982401True
>>1982400Also derailleurs used to be surprisingly expensive in comparison until relatively recently. Either the cogsets just costed that much or some price gouging was happening.I remember in the late 90s, my dad was getting a bike for me. The small town bike shop had two 'choise offerings' on display: one had 7 speed Nexus on it and the other the then standard 7x3 derailleurs, it costed like 50% more. So I got the Nexus and was made fun of :(
>>1982413I wish I would've had a real bike when I was a kid. I rode BMXs until I was like 16.What country are you from?
>>1982417Finland.We used to have two bicycle manufacturers with monopoly, Helkama and Tunturi. That may explain the derailleur pricing situation.I don't know how much a commuter/hybrid with only rear derailleur would have costed in comparison or if that was even an option to buy at the time. (Very common setup in the 80s.)
>>1982425>2 companies>monopoly
>>1983605What a little prick, you.Everyone who reads that post knows exactly what he means.Further, when was the last time you heard a native English speaker use the word "duopoly"?Oh, never?
>>1983608People say duopoly all the time, you must just hang out in mid-iq circles
>>1983605>>1983614
>>1982425scandi sounds like hell, I've heard if you want a folder there's only bromptons and you have to wait 8 months for delivery
>>1980689Of I'm doing it every day I want to at least enjoy the ride. Mid to low-tier 10 speed is the worst I'll do for a commuter.
>>1983641Well, in Sweden there's an actual monopoly by Monark-Screscent.You can get "a" 16-20" folding bike off the shelf, may be a 1700 € Brompton, may be ~500 € anonymous brand or some mega hipster electric assist cough up 4000 € kind of deal. 24" with hinged frame is hardware store tier but those are hardly portable.This is what I mentioned before, surely a common configuration Europe-wide? Sadly I have no Idea how the price would have compared to a 3 speed.
>>1983825>anonymous brandGeneric brand
>>1980551>plastic slave labour gears you need to charge, for the low low price of $8999,99No thanks, retard
>>1983825just bought me one of these bad boys for $29. has a sachs torpedo on it. i dig the atomic age chainring design, too. seems of high quality. expected to swap out the 1pc crank, but it seems pretty bombproof.
>he doesn't have step-less shiftingI pity the fools who limit themselves to whole numbers when selecting a gear.
>>1986356Is it a 29"?If so, enjoy trying to find new tires that aren't 35mm or wider.
>>1986367nigga what.. you can just run 700 tires on old 29s
>>1986392btw those are 26"x1â…ś
move aside, everyone
>>1986356I just fiddled with this thing a bit and put about 10 miles on it. I like the Sachs better than my SA. Now I need to find another donor bike with a Torpedo for backup parts.
>3 speed rear hub>tensioner pulley >2x front chainring>barcon shiftersthis would be cool. would this even work?
>>1986581>shittyness of an FDwhy?
>>1986679>basically free/cheap>street cred with hipsters and retards>6 gears instead of 3
>>1986581>>1986715Does that work chain-wise? Your old chool derailleur chain is 3/32" (2.4 mm) wide and IGH/single speed is 1/8" (3.2 mm). Both have 1/2" pitch though.
>>1986758>>1986758Apparently Sheldon Brown did it first and had had a 63 gear Sturmey/3x7 setup, but he fitted a cassette to the hub
>>1980531I'm kind of a noob, doesn't this type of hub make a "clicking" sound as if im not pedaling while I'm on 2ns or 3rd gear? If so, can i silence it?
>>1982253Are you that guy who made the "going Portland to Portland on a 3 speed" youtube video?
>>1987172>can I silence itNo, it's part of the charm
wonder how old these are. 30s?
>>1986759I recall this, very based. He had aerobars on drops with 3 barend shifters
>>1986581I think about this a lot. But it's a lot worse than just going 1x with a rear cassette.
>>1986758The chain attached to an IGH is yours to choose. Typically it's 1/8 yea but there's nothing stopping you from putting a 3/32 cog on it.
>>1986356after a week of daily penetrating oil applications, i finally got the lock ring to budge on this crescent/torpedo and serviced the bottom bracket, headset and front cone bearings. the front hub was a a cool old american made wald. not going to attempt an overhaul on the sachs until i have a backup hub laced up and ready to go, but i did drip a quarter ounce of atf in it. took the front brake off for now, but i'm going to probably drill out the fork and fit a modern brake as per the suggestion of another anon. this thing rips, i love it. i'm torn between doing a complete tear-down and restoring completely, or just leaving it ratty.
>>1988811More like 60s - 70s, maybe even later. European militaries had the idea of bicycles as the backup* and last leg** solution for infantry mobility for surprisingly long. They just kept ordering more of the 2nd WW spec bicycles with very little chage for interoparability and afterwards the same factories have made them for nostalgia market. *while expropriating civilian trucks**all terrain trucks prioritized for special forces and artillery
>>1989119that's kinda crazy the machinery and tooling used to make a lot of that shit still existed at that point
>>1980531You're probably right. I need a gear for climbing steep hills, a gear for variable incline/low speed, and a gear for flat/downhill/high speed.
>>1989075ratty?
>>1980531walk up hillits a nice change
>>1990850rusty. dirty. scratched up. etc. ratty.
>>1990855if god wanted me to walk he wouldn't have invented the internally geared hub
>>1990919>Torpedo
>>1991125>Torpedo?
This thread is based. 3 speed IGH is godly.
Someone's selling a stolen rental bike on Facebook for $50. 20" tubeless setup with a 7-speed and a dynamo hub. I'm real tempted to go get it to upgrade my old Puch 3-speed travel bike.
>>1986363they have shit gear range
>>1986363>loses 50% of pedaled energy from mechanical losses
Not quite all I need but makes a nice bar bike that is not too fast.
>>1992769Anon...
>>1994373what?
>>1992391>7 shitmano hub>"upgrade"
>>1992391Those dockless bikes are important, regardless of the hate they get. Report the bike as stolen to the company. Cities/average Joe needs to see the bike as viable.
>>1994950yeah bitch it's got a s3c with a coaster brake in it now. 80s garbage. those alfines are nice. ever used one?
>>1994981yes.But alfine=/=nexus
>>1994950What's the problem with nexus 7? Got one on my bike and it's been fine.
>>1995353There aren't any
>>1995593>tHeRE aReNt AnY!!!11
>>1997028neck yourself
>>1997033Dogshit efficiency, no direct drive, garbage seals uneven gear jumps, small range.Get fucked little turd
I have a Polish folding bike from the 70's with one of these hubs.Uses a tiny chain that enters on the right side.Really like the bike. Pic related.
>>1998088
>>1998088Nice. Don't forget to oil it.
>>1998918I'm on top of it!Actually, I bought it to go to burning man. And I just left it in 3rd gear with tape over the shift chain opening.By the end of the week everyone else's bike was fucked from the salty desert, but my folding 500 still shifts like new a year later. Also the chrome is still rust free, they just don't make em like that anymore.
>>1999099Disgusting.
>>1999112Was just an example of a terrible environment, and these shifters performance in it
>>1999126Not the bike, you filthy burner. Also what you did was retarded and pointless.
>>1986759>>1988812absolute madlad tier, may he ride forever in velohalla
>>1989119>hadthe model 05 was superceeded by the model 93 and that again by the model 12.
>>2001668if I was going to limit myself to 3 gears, I'd want the big one to be at least double the diameter of the small one
>>2001673You can always machine yours - or have it machined for you...
>>1991129>he doesn't know about the torpedo
>>2003749They came with the oil nip. Which is kind of double edged sword - once you start pouring the oil in, you have to keep doing it until the next proper re-packing.I mean, a 3-speed will easily go a decade in heavy use with a single packing. More often is advisable but some will never see a single service of any kind.
Coaster brake single speed superiority
>>2001668This isn't quite by the way how 3 speeds work out, btw.In the old money, your direct drive 48/22 is equivalent to about 52/24. Meanwhile, the 33% overdrive is like 52/16 - there's 2 grears missing in between!(The 33% reduction is 44/24, the lowest gear in 10-speed!)Returning to >steel 10/12 speeds from 3-gears: you find yourself grunting on 52/16 mostly and generally maintaining unoptimally low cadence even when you shift down!
>>2003789>(The 33% reduction is 44/24, the lowest gear in 10-speed!)And I have to say, I really miss the drops when climbing!Also, the brake bodies to rest my hands on.These are my main complaint, not the rough not really fit for anything ratios, which my old dad described as "legs go 3 speed. bike go 1".
>>1999253True, the Swiss and the Swedes still do it, but back the everyone had extensive bicycle infantries. For those two, it still makes sense, because the terrain is inhospitable, but the distances quite short.Speaking of military bicycles - beware of impsters! This abomination is 'Helkama' Jäger, ostensibly modeled after their formerFinnish military bicycles but let's see.
>>2003865'Former' - they still have a fleet ostensibly for physical training. See any difference?
>>1980531I like my 2x11 just fine, thank you very much.3-speed is fine for flat city riding though.
>>1986363That looks like it would have serious wear issues.
>>2003789?That's a 16, 19, 22, btw
What I never understood was why they didn't put clutches on derailleur systems. It would solve the one deficiency they have - the need to move while shifting.
>>2005424It wasn't really that important until cassettes got ultra-ginormous, and it wasn't great for the feel of the shifters either. Also doesn't play nice with oval chainrings not that anyone actually uses them other than contrarian weirdos
>>2005428a contrarian would be less likely to believe their purported benefits, dork
>>2005713I have an oval chainring and you're wrong. I decline to elaborate.
my trike has a 3sp and its great for my area which is mostly flat. its my first igh and i love being able to shift while not moving
>>2003784>shimano design :/
Are there any 3 speed hubs with 15%, or smaller steps? 99.9% of the time the other 2 gears are useless. That auto-shifting two gear much more sense in city driving.
>>200736515% total, or between gears? The cassette I posted above is pretty close to the later, but that's for freewheel, not freehub.
>>1980553I would hope you are.>>1980531It is all you need. We have a national cycle scheme in my country, but there's no restriction on components and the vast majority of the money ends up going to BSOs, or subsidizing expensive options you wouldn't normally spring for.They should have mandated hubs, roller-brakes, belts, from particular manufacturers only, and also mandated that participating stores have a service centre. Nobikes need to be protected from the derailleur false economy before a real shift to cycling can occur.
>>2007955>in my country*that is on the steppe with zero mountains
>>2008084UK. And people use hubs/gearboxes for cycle touring, in fact they're regarded as the premium option. Cyclingabout climbed all over the Andes with a gearhub.The only reasons to use a derailleur are upfront cost, shifting ergonomics (for now), and squeezing that last 1-4% efficiency when your chain and sprockets are both new and clean. But for mass mobility the low purchase price is a false economy, because the costs of servicing and replacement will catch up to a belt+internal gear system in a few years.And servicing is what stops many people from habitually cycling. Most people who tried but currently don't cycle simply don't maintain their bikes to the level necessary for a good experience. They will put oil on their chain AFTER a problem has already become apparent, MAYBE they will replace brake shoes or adjust the tensioner. They don't own a stand, they don't own a chain checker, or a chain tool, or a cassette tool. They think a chain needs replacement when it snaps, and they don't think a cassette needs replacement. Forget derailleur adjustments, they're not doing that. These people think the tire needs air and that's it.This describes millions of people in the UK who if given a belt, a hub, roller brakes/hub brakes, and instructions to change the oil every year, would have no problem maintaining a bike, which is why any public money spent to influence purchasing decisions should be restricted to bikes with those components.
>>2007955flatlanders should be banned from discussing bicycles on the internet
>>1980550Anything with a false neutral is shit. O.G. SA hubs for columbia did solve the false neutral. No idea why they didn't stick with the redesign.Anyway, the modern 3's are good- no false neutral. Very reliable.Nexus is also very, VERY good. Even slightly larger range between gears.Wish they made them for thru-axles.There are models that have a solid rear axle and it works around the axle. (This is also acceptable.)Adding a front e-bike motor for 3-speed cargo bikes would be amazing. No skidding due to high weight of the bike. Thru-axle for better strength and a 'wide enough' ratio.
>>1980531how many watts is this motor?
>>2008194
>>1992391yeah dont reward some cocksucker for stealing
>>1980652>you can force me to spend fifteen hundred dollars on my drivetrain every two yearsNo thanks :^)
>>2008392>spend fifteen hundred dollars on my drivetrain every two yearsThat's utter and complete bullshit. A properly maintained (kept clean and adjusted, replacing the chain BEFORE it's all stretched to it's limits and ruining cogs and chainrings) will last for YEARS. Quit making up shit.
>>2008400>will last for YEARSTwo even! Also, you're right! You better make sure to replace that chain every 3-6 months if you want it to last for two(2) years! Thanks for reminding everyone! I'm sure they really appreciate the reality check that it's going to cost even more! Anyway, i have to go adjust my derailleur (again) but it's been real chatting with you man!
>>2008281So 100 watts?Me peeing makes more watts.Kiddo start running long distances instead, cycling as a workout is the the cringiest fad ever started, was literally invented by marketeers to sell products to 60 year olds with arthritis and menopausal women. Cycling is running but with training wheels, get off your sissy anal probing seat and start subjecting your body to the forces of gravity as they accelerate your entire fatass mass down the ground, that's the manly thing to do. We have been subjected to Decades, DECADES of propaganda about running harming the knees and joints and that cycling is a safe alternative only for scientists recently coming out and starting to argue against that shit, if you are under 40 you have no fucking reason to not start running now, your own two feet is all you fucking need you cattle. All the cyclists i know are the weakest motherfuckers ever, they I run 30 miles a week every week and I absolutely guarantee you not one motherfucker from my local bikeshop club could ever keep up half the pace, not even close. So yeah, put a motor in that bitch, its a transportation vehicle, it was what it was invented to do.
>>2008404No, you're clearly a smoothbrain that doesn't know how to properly maintain a modern bicycle. You probably can't understand what cog or chainring to be riding in, let alone how to adjust a derailleur.Fixies are made for people like you, since you're too dumb to understand anything else.Bet you blame your tires and tubes for all the punctures you get, too.
A challenger approaches
>>2008449Running damages your joints, and cycling is a low impact activity and thus a superior form of cardio. It's also more enjoyable. Cope and seethe.
>>2011444Yeah it puts stress on them and makes them tougher in the long run.In every town and city I go to I see obese bikers on the regular. I never ever EVER fucking see an obese runner or jogger. I
>>2008449holy shit you sound like a fucking idiot
>>2012352That's because obese people who decide to start exercising are much more likely to choose cycling over running. For precisely the reason that anon above said.
>>2008449You need to be hurt more
>>2003784>Coaster brake single speed superiorityAlways was l, always will be
>>2003784> I'm a lazy retard with permanent clinical depression who can't even service hydraulic brakes, cassette and shiftersSad that you're not being able to do such primitive shit
>>2008281>>2008449Reminder, this guy has his bike geared like a F1 car, or rather raitoed so low that it's like a constant leg press. Effectively the sprinter version of cyclist.https://youtu.be/S4O5voOCqAQAs a nod to Patton Oswalt comment about lefties (let's say) poorly communicating ideas: this attempted viral campaign was supposed to help people internalize the costs of power consumption. Turn off light switches and shit. As always: the answer is none of it. Travel should be difficult to incentivise people to stop pointlessly moving around.Also running is ineffiect horseshit. Most of your energy is spent pushing your body aloft for the split second your hovering above the ground. Ideally your weight should always be directly supported at all times apposed to gravity so that all energy is spent of forward motion. Walking or even speed walking is better in everyway. Running is a logic trap for people stupid enough to be short sighted. And too much cardio cause artery hardening. Heart surgeon gave a Ted talk about it.
>>1986363I thought this was a rip-off of NuVinci. I didn’t realize they went bankrupt and rebranded.How are these actually?
>>2014452I hear good things about Enviolo hubs as long as you don't have one of their automatic shifting systems.
>>2014425> too much cardio badPathetic cope-out, ted talks is filled with garbage takes, this is the same mentality as obese/slightly overweight people criticizing extreme diets or anorexic 19 year olds as a way to not put effort in. The average person is nowhere near the point of destroying their body by too much cardio, id say 80% of people in the countries that matter don't get enough exercise or cardio. Travel, roads and transportation network infostructure is what drives western economies, since romans first built the first roads, transportation equals economical activity, just because some municipalities want to keep city streets hipster friendly and less cluttered doesn't mean anything in the greater picture of things.
>>2014425>rather raitoed so low that it's like a constant leg pressBased. Bikes are for going fast, and low ratios.make you go fast. You have big thighs and calves, right? Because that is only a problem for skeletonsoys who like going up endless hills at 3km/h.>running is ineffiect horseshit.It is, but that's not a problem. We're in a calorie-dense era, and it's not like running is a transportation method. It is just exercise.>And too much cardio cause artery hardeninCope more, cardiolet. Those kind of things only happen when you are a world-class athlete, not even running 5km every day is "too much cardio"in the sense of fucking up your heart or arteries.>Heart surgeon gave a Ted talk about it.Top reddit comment. Are you seriously fucking using a Ted talk as a reference for anything? Might as well say you read it on Twitter, you dumb fuck.Fuck off back to le reddit, what a horrible post holy fucking shit
>>2014455hmmm, lovely 40% drive efficiency
>>20081940 watts Sir
>tfw took up cycling as cross-training for running and it worked great>>2014465>even running 5km every day>even
>>2019516Running sux tho
>>1980531Why sturney archer removed the oil port is still a mystery to me
>>2020884amen. i used to be pretty fit and ride and race a lot, but i could never run to save my life.
>>2021112>whyThe grease available in the early 20th century and before tended to separate and dry out quickly, that's why lots of mechanical things from back then needed oil ports so you could routinely add more liquid lubricant. With changes to refining and additives, grease now lasts for decades without separating and only needs to be replaced when it's contaminated, so the need to build oil ports into parts disappeared.
>>1986759I really admire his 3-speed hub-geared fixie. Surprised I've never seen anyone else do that.
wtf is a major service? i have a src3 sturmey archer hub with a few thousand miles on it and want to look after it. when should i do this major service?>https://www.sturmey-archer.com/en/products/detail/s-rc3
>>1980531that's right>sitting>standing>pushing3 speeds
>>2016963I never understood how the oldschool bottle dynamos could introduce so much drag for the 6 watts of electricity they produce.
>>2022084They were never serviced so the copper internals corroded and created a lot of drag in the mechanism itself. Next is efficiency, random anecdotes on the internet claim old school bottle dynamos has an efficiency rating of 20%, where modern dyno hubs are about 40% efficient. Bottle dynamos run on the outside of the tire which means more energy is lost to spinning and heat due to the larger circle compared to a dyno hub. Bottle dynamo needs the tire to run the input shaft of the generator which is a frictional interface which means frictional losses. It's a cheap and easy solution but comes with a lot of drawbacks
>>2021958Every few thousand miles
>>1987172It's a warning rattle, to remind you that you are going faster than your own freewheel!
