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That the track is narrower? That it's elevated (chicago already has elevated trains)?
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>>1985872

I don't think they were ever considered futuristic. The idea has been around since the early 1900s or possibly even before, but it was always obvious that the technology sort of sucks for anything beyond a few niche applications. They never took off as a practical form of *mass* transportation because with single track rail, switching becomes a lot more complicated and annoying to figure out. However, that's also why they did work in some applications where they only needed a single track with most switching just being to go into maintenance or storage sidings. They really just don't have any purpose when normal rail exists, so they never took off. Why use a monorail when 2 rails works and is superior?

Airports and amusement parks sometimes have them and they work there. A few world expositions did too - pic related, it's the one Brisbane, Australia in 1988. These are usually temporary though. Okinawa and Chongqing are examples of cities with pretty complex monorail systems, but they're also simple in terms of the route they take.

Tl;dr they don't really serve a purpose when regular rail does the exact same thing. Maybe the only extremely unique use cases would be like...underground mining or similar operations, where suspending rails is easier.
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>>1985876

Mine monorails are pretty based btw. Just rare, because similarly why spend all that money on installing something like that in a mine which is finite, when you can just drive trucks and shit. The joke on The Simpsons is basically this. A snakeoil salesman came along, sold them on this cool new idea and it turned out to be a pointless waste of money, like basically all monorails.
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for me it's vineyard monorails
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there used to be a monorail at the mall where i live back in the 90s. it didn't last long because maintenance was a hassle and it didn't improve anyone's shopping experience. it was an attraction that lost its charm after a while.
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'the lid came off my pudding can
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>>1985919
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>>1985872
Well that's the joke of the episode, they're not, they just look cool and feature in a lot of futuristic, utopian fantasy images. I guess because the thinking was that when cities got denser in the future people would start pushing up in a bid for space.
In this episode Marge originally wants to spend money on fixing potholes in the town's main street, it's meant to be an /n/ based episode where fixing the roads up is sensible and building a monorail is not, remember early Simpsons is based in the boomer mindset where all transport in small American towns relies on cars.
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>I should never have stopped for that haircut.
- absolute very best one-liner in the series imo
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>>1985872
>What was supposed to be so futuristic about the monorail?

It's a mystery how a flying train was futuristic over a century ago. In the age of steam trains. In a time a car was futuristic as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQs5VxNPhzk
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>>1986302
Time to post my favorite photo.
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>>1986323
kek, is he okay?
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>>1986351
The elephant was alright and lived for another couple of decades, a couple of journalists who were in the carriage got hurt because the passengers panicked when the elephant started getting unruly and looking for a way out.
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>>1985872
I think you've got to set it in the mindset of the 1950s. You've got trains, sure, but they're mostly dirty steam or diesel locos, you've got the elevated train but it's not exactly clean or quiet, and you're being told they're all on the way out because the car is the way of the future. Historical metal-track monorails are mostly a historical curosity, so the idea seems new when someone comes along and shows you a shiny, clean looking monorail that runs on a big concrete beam. Technologically it's just a weird bus, but aesthetically it's a world apart.
Plus it's the 1950s-60s, it doesn't matter if you're selling bread, propeller planes, trains, or monorails, you're gonna hype it as the thing of the future, just like how in the 2020s if you're selling something you're going to try and give it vague political messaging. This was back when Cessna were promoting the suburb of the future where everyone'd park a plane in their garage, and some places like that even exist! But like the monorail or cities on the moon, things didn't play out like in the marketing material.

The monorail is just one of those ideas that was much stronger aesthetically than practically, like Concorde it continues to capture the imagination far out of proportion to how successful the concept has actually been, mainly because it looks cool.
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What the actual fuck is the point of hanging a Monorail upside down?
It just seems like introducing another potential point of failure where the car could detach from the track and the occupants would be seriously injured/killed when it hits the ground.
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>>1986323
>this happened in 1950
What the fuck
This is 1890s looney tunes shit
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>>1986355
>>1986351
Also the photo is fake
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>>1985925
Not on your life my hindu friend
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>>1985872
>quieter
>faster
>smaller visual footprint, clean look
>less real estate
And probably was expected that all of the above would make making tracks everywhere cheap and simple allowing for fast, effective public transport that doesn't hog up roads making cities more futuristic.
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>>1986609
how do you know what be fake?
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>>1985872
The monorail is public transport that does away with gloomy tunnels (lunar and earth spirituality).
Instead it elevates the riders above the earth and water. This elevation signifies the solar type.
The lack of monorails in the West is simply a result of our cultural and spiritual decline.
And with popular media being one of the vectors by which our spirit is degraded, it comes as no surprise that a show as the Simpsons makes fun of it.
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>>1985872
Quieter than rail.
Mandatory grade separation so fewer homeless bums get killed.
No tunnels so cheaper and no place for homeless bums to sleep (and get killed).
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>>1987206
>Ride the Monorail: A Survival Manual for the Aristocrats of the Soul
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>>1988035
So then how is a monorail better than an elevated/grade-separated metro or light rail system?
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>>1985919
honestly that episode kinda fucked up transit discussion, any gen x or millenial with no personality literally thinks that episode justifies why new transit systems are bad instead of don't fall for gadgetbahns and sheisters.
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Nothing, that was the joke, public transit worshippers are poor lefty luddites
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>>1988823
Monorail rolling stock is much lighter, thus the support structure can be much lighter and slender compared to elevated light rail.
Thus cheaper and less intrusive.
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>>1988918
monorails are expensive to build
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>>1989141
Don't forget problems with evacuations in the event of emergencies or unusual circumstances. Conventional rail is just better in 99% of instances.
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>>1989141
It's the cheapest form of grade separated public transport.
>>1989144
99% less chance of accidents makes that point moot.
Regardless, the evacuation question can be solved if it would be deemed necessary after risk analysis.
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>>1985872
i dont know if this counts as a monorail
but moving at high speeds without touching the rail?
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>>1989189
>99% less chance of accidents
99% less than what?

>Regardless, the evacuation question can be solved if it would be deemed necessary after risk analysis
Or you could just run conventional rail and not have to worry about that
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>>1989221
>99% less than what?
fish. Isn't that obvious.

>Or you could just run conventional rail
>why bother with digging tunnels. Just use streetcars instead
This is how retarded you sound.
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>>1989271
>Non-argument followed by non-argument
Good work anon
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>>1989325
Thanks. Now, for a more detailed response.
If you look at fatalities involving trains, the overwhelming majority involves level crossings, unauthorized people on the track, and suicides. Note that trains tracks are usually hard to reach, outside of the level crossings and platforms.
Streetcars on the other hand are essentially one long level crossings, with light rail being slightly better.
By grade separating you remove the biggest cause of accidents in rail vehicles.

Japan has both railways and monorails and if you check the incident/accident list for the past 20 years, there is a single accident with a monorail, due to a hardware issue, material damage, but no fatalities.
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>>1989342
>Japan has both railways and monorails
What's the mileage ratio between those?

You still haven't solved the evacuation problem either.
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>>1989348
I don't need to solve it, the evacuation problem is already solved. If an evacuation system is required, various options exist, like escape chutes, your local fire department or another train. See pic related.

>milage ratio
20 years of operation with a combined daily ridership of 500,000 and zero fatalities puts a monorail in the "better than airplane" category from a passenger point of view.
And far superior to a train from a non-passenger point of view.
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>>1989376
>I don't need to solve it, the evacuation problem is already solved.
Just use the escape chute bro. Oh you're disabled? That stinks.Your monorail isn't equipped with one? Ah, too bad.
https://www.monorails.org/tMspages/KimEd3.html

>20 years of operation
No, I asked for a ratio of monorail mileage in Japan to conventional rail mileage.

Just saying "it's safe because a disaster hasn't happened" is inviting disaster.
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>>1989377
>No, I asked for a ratio of monorail mileage in Japan to conventional rail mileage.
Calculate it yourself if you want. But it is not relevant. If you think it is some kind of own because they have more trains than monorails your are dumb and don't understand how safety figures works.

>Oh you're disabled?
If 99% percent of the passengers can escape you just made the system 99% safer. You can't design these systems around inane scenarios.
And nothing prevents a disabled person from getting help form other people.

>https://www.monorails.org/tMspages/KimEd3.html
>1985
>A flat foam-filled guide tire was determined to be the cause of Silver's fire, heated by the friction
>2015
>suffered a similar tire fire

Poor safety practices by the industry to be honest. Suspended monorails, preferably of the Wuppertal type, are superior in that regard because all electronics are situated above the passenger compartment and the drive mechanism is much less complicated.

And the Bangkok monorail has a walkway between the two tracks witch is also a solution.
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>>1986576
There's a variant with a scissor lift mechanism that allows the monorail car to be set down on the ground. This makes creating stations easy and temporary stations for special events can be little more a rope and someone collecting fares.
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>>1986576
>upside down monorails
It's mechanically more stable than regular monorail riding on a beam.
They naturally tilt as well thus give a comfy ride.
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>2024
>I am forgotten
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You have to admit this is pretty kino
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>>1991694
It's so gross in the city. They pack them in like goyim. They don't understand the danger of jumpers falling onto their heads. We're in hell.
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>>1991702
that's interesting, what else did the voices say today?
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>>1986604
>This is 1890s looney tunes shit
Mate Looney Tunes (and Merrie Melodies) were contemporary to the 50s, though their heyday was the late 30s - 40s.
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>>1991694
There's something about DisneyWorld and similarly universal theme parks that rub me the wrong way, but one exception is the layout and ambience of the 70s-80s high end resorts, and in particular the Contemporary.

Ironically that "contemporary style" has slowly evolved into a sort of neo-futurism at this point as both monorails and that style of concrete high-rise complex has fallen out of use in new construction.
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>>1991721
she'll be alright. just pop a purple and blue filter on it, add a few palmtree clipart jpegs and use a generic supermarket Muzak clip as background music
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>>1991733
I'm confused which problem would be solved by ersatzing it.
I think the Contemporary is alright in the contemporary as it is, unlike most stuff at didneywhurl

Also your description made me recall this video I haven't seen in years, enjoy (or not):
https://files.catbox.moe/idagbg.mp4
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>>1985877
The question is why is it cool and new
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>>1989391
Which line is bangkok is monorail
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>>1991810
Yellow Line
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>>1985872

Monorails were a relic of the cold war. They were considered futuristic because they were elevated (separated from highways and freight lines). Also concrete beam fabrication was cheap at the time and considered a viable alternative to traditional tracks.
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>>1986989
the lighting's fucked and legs don't move like that when you're jumping through a window
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>>1991721
>>1991741
I love that building but's a real shame they ruined most of the rooms and mid century theming in favor of (literally) slapping an Incredibles theme overtop a downgrade of every aspect of the overall experience. Glad I got to stay there back in 2013, they had some decent plans pre-pandemic and then went as cheap as possible for one of the most expensive properties. The main concourse is also a cramped joke. Speaking of they're building a big DVC concrete box next to the Polynesian and I'm sure they'll do the bare minimum theming.

While I'm ranting they no longer do cross platform transfers at TTC (i.e. Kingdom to Epcot track) which is just fuckin stupid.
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>>1995284
Everything about WDW has been going slowly downhill since the mid-late 2000s, sucks but the change in management has not been kind to the company. Makes Eisner's reign look good by comparison.
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>>1994758
I think the main appeal of Monorail in a post-futurama largely car dependent America was that image of sleek futuristic and quiet trains running through existing cityscape. Cheapish concrete fabrication and manageable construction costs compared to the astronomical environmental review and red tape of today. Hell Seattle's Monorail just kept ballooning in cost every year it dragged on. No idea if LA's monorail would have worked out either had they gotten to actually building it. While I was in Taiwan it was hilarious how they just blasted these huge elevated MRT lines through Urban areas, very blade runner but at least I can get where I'm going.

>>1995285
Preaching to the choir here. I've never been directly involved in parks or attractions but I grew up in A/V and entertainment, hell Grandpa worked on D'land in 55 and a lot of the tech crew in Anaheim are from my home town. For all of his faults Eisner at least had vision, now there's so much blatant bullshit. I'm amazed Joe Rohde is coming back after all this, it's appalling how bad even regular maintenance is now.
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>>1995286
Hey, the new guys have their vision too, Six Flags-ifying the parks.
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>>1995287
Seems like a vision that's totally bereft of ambition, creativity, and accountability.
Why does anyone line up when they propose this vision?
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>>1998714
Money
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>>1985877
People think Marge vs. the Monorail was anti-public transit, the real lesson is that you shouldn't invest in bullshit just to impress people. Yet some people think we should build HSR in America anyway.
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>>1989377
>Oh you're disabled? That stinks.
But that would also apply to subway evacuation
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>>1999527
That pic doesn't send the message you think it does



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