Light Rail EditionOld Thread: >>1972086
That's on Japan? Looks almost identical to the one in my city (albeit probably better)
>>2014525The Utsunomiya LRT is located in Utsunomiya, which is around an hour away from Tokyo if you take the Tohoku Shinkansen. The line in question is actually the first new light rail/tram line Japan since Manyo Line (Takaoka, Toyama Prefecture) opened in 1948.
I don't understand what this has to do with stadium permits in Houston or parking minimums in Kansas?
>>2014525Suburbs, somewhere is the same as Suburbs, Japan. Same characteristics, development patterns, issues>>2014527There's a very good reason why street cars stopped being popular and are not usually the choice thing to build anymore. A train driving like a bus on the road with cars does not usually end well or without very serious compromises, and if you turn on the news in Japan stupid also crash into streetcars just like anywhere else
>>2014525>>2014527There was a recent episode of Japan Railway Journal which talked about it>>2014743amazingly dumb opinion kindly drink bleach
>>2014770To be fair to >>2014743, even the Utsunomiya LRT already had four accidents involving other motor vehicles and it was briefly mentioned in that Japan Railways Journal episode. I guess that "Skill Issue" for drivers in mixed traffic is an universal thing no matter which continent you are in.
>>2014527that depends on your definition of “new light rail line”
>>2014886>car drivers are retarded and don't follow the rules>this means trams=badIt often happens with new trams that idiot drivers crash into them, and it's literally always the fault of car drivers breaking traffic rules. After a short time they learn their lesson and the accidents stop.In any case many places around the world are building and expanding tram systems
>>2014894>many places around the world are building and expanding tram systemsLike where? your yuropoor shithole? shouldn't you be getting stabbed by an islamist while 3rd world niggers shit up your country even more (if thats even possible)?Street cars (including your "trams") are a strictly worse (in the math sense) form of a train, and impractical in many if not most situations. real railfan dont simp for these
>>2014900Dude, get some new material.
https://tabiris.com/archives/higashinemuroeki/>According to Hokkaido Shinbmun, Higashi-Nemuro station, the easternmost station in Japan, may be closed as early as spring 2025>the station's main users were students of the Nemuro High School located 1.5 km away>but they moved to a bus that has a stop right by the school and follows the Nemuro Main line for the most part>the fact that municipal buses within Nemuro City(actually stretches all the way to Attoko station) are free under 18 years old does help>the only station for which this bus line isn't more convenient is Bettoga, but it's also considered for closure because there's less than 1 person per day using itIt seems like Nemuro City has been improving it's buses in general to the point where they probably are expecting the whole line to go at some point.
>>2014900I like light rail, I enjoy riding light rail, and I think the technology behind them is neat. You've been very rude.
>>2014900>Like where? your yuropoor shithole?obviously Japan if you loot at the OP dipshit lmao
Latest MLIT congestion rankings were posted in the previous thread. I translated them from Nippon moonrunes into English.8 of the top 10 most congested segments are in Tokyo, the other two are in Hiroshima and Fukuoka, respectively.1. Nippori-Toneri Liner 171% (Akado-shogakkomae -> Nishi-Nippori 7:30-8:30)2. Hiroden Miyajima Line 164% (Higashi-Takasu -> Hiroden-nishi-hiroshima 7:00-7:59)3. Hibiya Line 162% (Minowa -> Iriya 7:50-8:50)4. Saikyo Line 160% (Itabashi -> Ikebukuro 7:51-8:51)T5. Chuo Rapid 158% (Nakano -> Shinjuku 7:35-8:35)T5. Nishitetsu Kaizuka Line 158% (Najima -> Kaizuka 7:30-8:30)7. TX 154% (Aoi -> Kita-Senju 7:29-8:29)T8. Musashino Line 152% (Higashi-Urawa -> Minami-Urawa 7:15-8:15)T8. Toei Oedo Line clockwise 152% (Nakai -> Higashi-Nakano 7:50-8:50)10. Tokaido Line 151% (Kawasaki -> Shinagawa 7:39-8:39)
Kanto top 20:1. Nippori-Toneri Liner2. Hibiya Line3. Saikyo Line4. Chuo Rapid5. TXT6. Musashino LineT6. Toei Oedo Line8. Tokaido LineT9. Keihin-Tohoku Line north 150% (Kawaguchi~Akabane 7:20-8:20)T9. Chiyoda Line 150% (Machiya~Nishi-Nippori 7:45-8:45)11. Keisei Oshiage Line 149% (Keisei-Hikifune~Oshiage 7:40-8:40)T12. Sobu Rapid Line 148% (Shin-Koiwa~Kinshicho 7:35-8:35)T12. Tozai Line 148% (Kiba~Monzen-nakacho 7:50-8:50)T12. Yurakucho Line 148% (Higashi-Ikebukuro~Gokokuji 7:45-8:45)T15. Keihin-Tohoku Line south 146% (Oimachi~Shinagawa 7:35-8:35)T15. Nambu Line 146% (Musashi-Nakahara~Musashi-Kosugi 7:30-8:30)T15. Namboku Line 146% (Komagome~Hon-Komagome 8:00-9:00)18. Chiba Urban Monorail Line 2 143% (Chibakoen~Chiba 7:30-8:30)T19. Marunouchi Line 142% (Shin-Otsuka~Myogadani 8:00-9:00)T19. Seibu Shinjuku Line 142% (Shimo-Ochiai~Takadanobaba 7:41-8:41)
>>2014518Genuine question: it is well-known that rail vehicles suck at climbing even shallow grades, so how do trams like in picrel manage to climb hilly streets? And Im not talking about funiculars or cable cars
>>2015261>Nippori-Toneri Liner 171%So when are they going to upgrade this to a real train (steel rails and wheels) to keep up with demand?
>>2015374>it is well-known that rail vehicles suck at climbing even shallow gradesThat depends on the type of train you've got. LRVs were always intended to run near or along roads and thus need to be able to handle most road geometry. LRVs are light, well powered, and were deigned to handle most of the hills and tight curves found along roads in urban areas.>>2015376How much more capacity would that give them versus the cost? Probably not a whole lot.
>>2015374This lil nigga from 1906 handles an 8% grade
>>2015376If it wasn't for the fact of TIGHT BUDGET after the 80s (which made them build it as AGT instead) and the Toneri area built up after the Liner opened they would've been better off building it as a branch line for the Chiyoda Line from Nishi-Nippori Station using 6-car trains instead.
https://tabiris.com/archives/hokkaidoshinkansendaitai2408/>Hokkaido Shinkansen Parallel Conventional Lines Task Force presents a plan for bus service after the Oshamanbe-Otaru section closure>includes a rework of existing bus network as well>33 JR trains and 112 buses per day will be replaced by 125 buses>sounds stupid, but 23 of those trains are Sapporo-Kucchan, which will be picked up by Shinkansen>but bus company owners say 125 buses per day will be unfeasible>average driver age in Hokkaido Chuo Bus is 53>more than half of current drivers will retire before 2031>and Hokkaido Shinkansen doesn't even have an official opening ETA anymore because they know they won't make it in time for 2031, which is already after 2 postponements(original date was 2027)>bus companies are already closing lines just because because they don't have drivers for themhttps://tabiris.com/archives/mine2408/>JR West says it'll cost 5.8B¥ to restore the Mine line>they also say it'll be "difficult", might be trying to push towards a management split scheme like Tadami and Hisatsu lines>but even then it's expected to take 15+ years, and the line had a deficit of 600M¥ per year, so bus replacement isn't out of the question
>>2015374sand
would you guys recommend tohoku or the fuji area for autumn in terms of public transport? I can't drive.
>>2016403tohoku's a big place...
>>2016403It really depends on which part of Tohoku you are talking about since public transport can be sparse depending on where you want to go, Fuji should be okay as long as you don't go to the more remote parts of it.
>>2016425>>2016426I was thinking to visit the different prefectures in tohoku and the onsen towns like ginzan
>>2016403Simply remember, that Mt. Fuji is off-limits since precisely today.You can only go there in July and August.Focusing on Touhoku sounds like a good idea to avoid other foreigners.
>>2016429The climbing season ends September 10, actually
>>2016403>>2016428I just went to Tohoku (all six pref) last month so I can shed some light.You'll be ok. Most cities are well-connected by train/shinkansen and usually have a decent bus network. Onsen towns like Nyuto and Ginzan are pretty remote but they usually have infrequent buses so you can plan around their schedule. Generally, most tourist destinations will have some sort of bus.I needed to use a car for Dewa Sanzan but that was more an exception rather than the norm. You might have an issue with somewhere like Towada-ko which is popular in autumn but there's usually tourist buses that can you go on.Plus, there's not many foreigners, aside from Germans in Akita for some reason.
>>2016429>>2016432>>2016509thank you very much anonshere's my contribution
Muroran Station will close its Midori no Madoguchi after September 30th and becomes an unstaffed station the next day on October 1st.https://news.mynavi.jp/article/20240902-3017232/>>2016288>The whole bit about bus driver shortagesIn all seriousness how hard would it be to actually train the underemployed for the job? Or would the actual driving bit be actually difficult?
>>2016817The issue is that literally zero young people are interested in driving buses, and the companies had to switch to appealing to mid-career job changers to have any results.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAYGUW8SAi8
>>2016817>>2016862Frankly said: As a child train or bus driver were my dream occupations.These days (not Japan, obviously) the passenger quality has degraded to a level, I wouldn't want to have to deal with them with a ten feet pole between me and them, and it's probably one of the few occupations, that will actually be made redundant by AI in the mid-term.Especially in case of regular railways (as opposed to "New Transit" systems, which are already automated) it's more of a legislative problem than a technological issue, but even with road vehicles it's anything but far off.It would probably be a good stopgap measure to train unemployed people in their late 40s/early 50s to become bus, truck and train drivers.10 to 15 years from now appears to be a reasonable time-frame for the complete automation of mobility.
https://tabiris.com/archives/hanasaki2024/At least we know JR Hokkaido isn't closing the Hanasaki line for a while, because they announced they're committing to making it a tourism-oriented line, considering going even as far as slowing down regular trains in scenic spots.
>>2016898That's what they're doing.Slowly becoming useless in construction due to age and health issues and lifelong employment isn't the standard any more? Become a bus driver! If you drive city buses you'll even be home every night!
>Finally complete your line after an eternity of delays in 1997>Become one of the most profitable third sector operators by carving out a niche to access the Hokuriku region quick>Have the fastest narrow-gauge service in the country at 160-god-damn-km/h>Get cucked by JR deciding to extend the Shinkansen>Have to sell your super-fast limited express trainsets to JR>Relegated to a slow-ass local services only line, probably bankrupt by 2035Has there ever been a more tragic story for a railway company's fortunes in Japanese history?
falling down the rabbit hole of 運用表
>>2016862Those bus companies will be able to attract drivers if the bus companies can guarantee 600,000 yen monthly salary and absolute 0 overtime work, and also ability to secure legal amount of holiday every year.>>2017459They just need to upgrade themselves into a Mini Shinkansen line connecting Joetsu and Hokuriku Shinkansen.
>>2017892There has been a push towards connecting Joetsu and Hokuriku Shinkansen, and Mini-Shinkansening that line was one of the proposals, but the problem is that the biggest pusher of that connection has always been Kashiwazaki city, which is on the coast.There was some news about it, and we discussed it two or three threads ago.
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/e4cc2c610d7ef81a208df7c6818acd725198f918JR Frieght suspend all container train operation in the country
>>2018070You should have mentioned, it's temporarily due to trouble with the containers.Wouldn't have put it past JR Freight to completely suspend operations indefinitely.
3-in-1 special:https://tabiris.com/archives/hakodate-shinkansen2409/>Hakodate Shinkansen topic reappears>the city did calculations>turns out the best way is to actually use normal Shinkansen trainsets and not split them at Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto, the exact opposite of the previous proposal>this avoids developing a new mini-shinkansen(cost to JR Hokkaido) that would then need to be maintained differently(cost to JR Hokkaido)>and also you no longer have two front cars with reduced capacity in the middle>this also implies raising the voltage between Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto and Hakodate, which would likely not fit in the previous 16.9 billion yen estimatehttps://tabiris.com/archives/hohisen202409/>Kumamoto prefectural government is seeking national subsidy for Hohi line expansion>this includes partial doubletracking and the Kumamoto Airport extension>rush hour congestion rate of 121%, comparable to Tokyo area lines>JR Kyushu is already doing some work on the line, including a station between Sanriki and Haramizu currently under construction, ETA 2027>could potentially get a 55% subsidy, which is an unheard of amount, because it's related to the semiconductor facility that is being built near the linehttps://tabiris.com/archives/2024romancecar/>Odakyu talks about their upcoming new romancecar, >“EXE replacement, VSE successor”>so basically something like Tobu's “Spacia X” and JR East's “Saphir Odoriko”>this fits Hakone becoming more of a high end tourism destination again>but that would mean more focus on tourist facilities and less on commuters than current express trainsThe end of the article is shilling an upcoming book about the future of Japanese Railways by the article's author, coming out on the 25th.
>>2014743The Utsunomiya LRT is entirely separated from cars you dumbo. No cars go on the same lane.Modern tram systems are good precisely for that reason. France pioneered them and it spread everywhere.
>>2015374Have you never used a zoom lens? Zoom compresses image distance making it look like the gradient is much steeper than in reality.>>2016509EH, akita was pretty terrible for trains and buses. Not the city itself where I didn't go but the onsen towns and Tazawako lake
>>2018342>turns out the best way is to actually use normal Shinkansen trainsets and not split them at Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto, the exact opposite of the previous proposal>this avoids developing a new mini-shinkansen(cost to JR Hokkaido) that would then need to be maintained differently(cost to JR Hokkaido)>and also you no longer have two front cars with reduced capacity in the middleis track capacity an issue? not splitting trains eats into that>>2018345also japs love zoom lenses so they can fit the whole train in the shot
>>2018342>(Using normal Shinkansen trainsets) avoids developing a new mini-shinkansen (cost to JR Hokkaido) that would then need to be maintained differently (cost to JR Hokkaido)Is buying their own version of the E6/E8 (338/352 seats respectively) really that bad since using a H5 set just for Sapporo to Hakodate reeks of excess capacity (a typical 5-car KiHa261-1000 set used for Hokuto has around 250 seats compared to a E5/H5 set having 723 seats)
>Want to do the whole-Sanin-line challenge>It's still out of service and fucked after a yearFug, it's not coming back is it?
>>2018833The Mine line sure as hell isn't, except as a BRRRTT BRRT BRT system maybe.
>>2018971I was going to say that it may be rescued by all the UBE corporation stuff in Mine, but apparently they made their own private road(see map), including roadway crossings:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUgK7E4OCXEAnd besides that, Mine - Nagato area already has a bus system to access tourist sites outside the rail line like Akiyoshidai, Tawarayama Onsen or Toyotakohan. So as long as they won't be hindered by bus driver shortages, It might not make sense to rebuild the line.>>2018833That bit(Nagatoshi - Kogushi), as well as the bit directly before it (Matsuda - Nagatoshi) apparently have about 200 transportation density. That's 140 kilometers at a level where JR Hokkaido openly invites the municipalities to discuss closure. While the only lines JR West closed are Sanko line(48 transportation density) and Miki line(50 transportation density) and they are keeping around the Kisuki line(255-72 depending on section), I doubt they'll be in a hurry to fix it, especially since I remember reading that significant river control work would be required.
https://mainichi.jp/graphs/20240919/mpj/00m/040/022000f/20240919mpj00m040033000p>At around 8:07 a.m. on 19 May, a Shinkansen train running towards Tokyo on the Tohoku Shinkansen Line between Furukawa and Sendai Stations became uncoupled and both stopped on the tracks; according to JR East, the Hayabusa No. 6 (10 cars, approx. 200 passengers) and the Komachi No. 6 (7 cars, approx. 120 passengers) were running in coupling at Morioka Station. The train was running in a coupled configuration, but for some reason it was separated. According to the local fire department, no injuries were reported. The train did not derail and JR is investigating the details. Due to this, operations have been suspended on both the upper and lower lines between Tokyo and Shin-Aomori Station, and as of 11:00 am there was no prospect of resumption of operations.Is this the first ever technical incident in the history of shinkansen operation?
>>2019077https://mainichi.jp/articles/20240919/k00/00m/040/026000cfuck wrong link, also deepl translation is wonky as fuck translating 19th as May
>>2019079>tfw pulling out before the nakadashi
