That's on Japan? Looks almost identical to the one in my city (albeit probably better)

>>2014525
The Utsunomiya LRT is located in Utsunomiya, which is around an hour away from Tokyo if you take the Tohoku Shinkansen. The line in question is actually the first new light rail/tram line Japan since Manyo Line (Takaoka, Toyama Prefecture) opened in 1948.

I don't understand what this has to do with stadium permits in Houston or parking minimums in Kansas?

>>2014525
Suburbs, somewhere is the same as Suburbs, Japan. Same characteristics, development patterns, issues

>>2014527
There's a very good reason why street cars stopped being popular and are not usually the choice thing to build anymore. A train driving like a bus on the road with cars does not usually end well or without very serious compromises, and if you turn on the news in Japan stupid also crash into streetcars just like anywhere else

>>2014525
>>2014527
There was a recent episode of Japan Railway Journal which talked about it

>>2014743
amazingly dumb opinion kindly drink bleach

>>2014770
To be fair to >>2014743, even the Utsunomiya LRT already had four accidents involving other motor vehicles and it was briefly mentioned in that Japan Railways Journal episode. I guess that "Skill Issue" for drivers in mixed traffic is an universal thing no matter which continent you are in.

>>2014527
that depends on your definition of “new light rail line”

>>2014886
>car drivers are retarded and don't follow the rules
>this means trams=bad
It often happens with new trams that idiot drivers crash into them, and it's literally always the fault of car drivers breaking traffic rules. After a short time they learn their lesson and the accidents stop.
In any case many places around the world are building and expanding tram systems

>>2014894
>many places around the world are building and expanding tram systems
Like where? your yuropoor shithole? shouldn't you be getting stabbed by an islamist while 3rd world niggers shit up your country even more (if thats even possible)?

Street cars (including your "trams") are a strictly worse (in the math sense) form of a train, and impractical in many if not most situations. real railfan dont simp for these

>>2014900
Dude, get some new material.

https://tabiris.com/archives/higashinemuroeki/
>According to Hokkaido Shinbmun, Higashi-Nemuro station, the easternmost station in Japan, may be closed as early as spring 2025
>the station's main users were students of the Nemuro High School located 1.5 km away
>but they moved to a bus that has a stop right by the school and follows the Nemuro Main line for the most part
>the fact that municipal buses within Nemuro City(actually stretches all the way to Attoko station) are free under 18 years old does help
>the only station for which this bus line isn't more convenient is Bettoga, but it's also considered for closure because there's less than 1 person per day using it
It seems like Nemuro City has been improving it's buses in general to the point where they probably are expecting the whole line to go at some point.

>>2014900
I like light rail, I enjoy riding light rail, and I think the technology behind them is neat. You've been very rude.

>>2014900
>Like where? your yuropoor shithole?
obviously Japan if you loot at the OP dipshit lmao

Latest MLIT congestion rankings were posted in the previous thread. I translated them from Nippon moonrunes into English.

8 of the top 10 most congested segments are in Tokyo, the other two are in Hiroshima and Fukuoka, respectively.

1. Nippori-Toneri Liner 171% (Akado-shogakkomae -> Nishi-Nippori 7:30-8:30)
2. Hiroden Miyajima Line 164% (Higashi-Takasu -> Hiroden-nishi-hiroshima 7:00-7:59)
3. Hibiya Line 162% (Minowa -> Iriya 7:50-8:50)
4. Saikyo Line 160% (Itabashi -> Ikebukuro 7:51-8:51)
T5. Chuo Rapid 158% (Nakano -> Shinjuku 7:35-8:35)
T5. Nishitetsu Kaizuka Line 158% (Najima -> Kaizuka 7:30-8:30)
7. TX 154% (Aoi -> Kita-Senju 7:29-8:29)
T8. Musashino Line 152% (Higashi-Urawa -> Minami-Urawa 7:15-8:15)
T8. Toei Oedo Line clockwise 152% (Nakai -> Higashi-Nakano 7:50-8:50)
10. Tokaido Line 151% (Kawasaki -> Shinagawa 7:39-8:39)

Kanto top 20:

1. Nippori-Toneri Liner
2. Hibiya Line
3. Saikyo Line
4. Chuo Rapid
5. TX
T6. Musashino Line
T6. Toei Oedo Line
8. Tokaido Line
T9. Keihin-Tohoku Line north 150% (Kawaguchi~Akabane 7:20-8:20)
T9. Chiyoda Line 150% (Machiya~Nishi-Nippori 7:45-8:45)
11. Keisei Oshiage Line 149% (Keisei-Hikifune~Oshiage 7:40-8:40)
T12. Sobu Rapid Line 148% (Shin-Koiwa~Kinshicho 7:35-8:35)
T12. Tozai Line 148% (Kiba~Monzen-nakacho 7:50-8:50)
T12. Yurakucho Line 148% (Higashi-Ikebukuro~Gokokuji 7:45-8:45)
T15. Keihin-Tohoku Line south 146% (Oimachi~Shinagawa 7:35-8:35)
T15. Nambu Line 146% (Musashi-Nakahara~Musashi-Kosugi 7:30-8:30)
T15. Namboku Line 146% (Komagome~Hon-Komagome 8:00-9:00)
18. Chiba Urban Monorail Line 2 143% (Chibakoen~Chiba 7:30-8:30)
T19. Marunouchi Line 142% (Shin-Otsuka~Myogadani 8:00-9:00)
T19. Seibu Shinjuku Line 142% (Shimo-Ochiai~Takadanobaba 7:41-8:41)

>>2014518
Genuine question: it is well-known that rail vehicles suck at climbing even shallow grades, so how do trams like in picrel manage to climb hilly streets? And Im not talking about funiculars or cable cars

>>2015261
>Nippori-Toneri Liner 171%
So when are they going to upgrade this to a real train (steel rails and wheels) to keep up with demand?

>>2015374
>it is well-known that rail vehicles suck at climbing even shallow grades
That depends on the type of train you've got. LRVs were always intended to run near or along roads and thus need to be able to handle most road geometry. LRVs are light, well powered, and were deigned to handle most of the hills and tight curves found along roads in urban areas.

>>2015376
How much more capacity would that give them versus the cost? Probably not a whole lot.

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>>2015374
This lil nigga from 1906 handles an 8% grade

>>2015376
If it wasn't for the fact of TIGHT BUDGET after the 80s (which made them build it as AGT instead) and the Toneri area built up after the Liner opened they would've been better off building it as a branch line for the Chiyoda Line from Nishi-Nippori Station using 6-car trains instead.

https://tabiris.com/archives/hokkaidoshinkansendaitai2408/
>Hokkaido Shinkansen Parallel Conventional Lines Task Force presents a plan for bus service after the Oshamanbe-Otaru section closure
>includes a rework of existing bus network as well
>33 JR trains and 112 buses per day will be replaced by 125 buses
>sounds stupid, but 23 of those trains are Sapporo-Kucchan, which will be picked up by Shinkansen
>but bus company owners say 125 buses per day will be unfeasible
>average driver age in Hokkaido Chuo Bus is 53
>more than half of current drivers will retire before 2031
>and Hokkaido Shinkansen doesn't even have an official opening ETA anymore because they know they won't make it in time for 2031, which is already after 2 postponements(original date was 2027)
>bus companies are already closing lines just because because they don't have drivers for them

https://tabiris.com/archives/mine2408/
>JR West says it'll cost 5.8B¥ to restore the Mine line
>they also say it'll be "difficult", might be trying to push towards a management split scheme like Tadami and Hisatsu lines
>but even then it's expected to take 15+ years, and the line had a deficit of 600M¥ per year, so bus replacement isn't out of the question

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>>2015374
sand

would you guys recommend tohoku or the fuji area for autumn in terms of public transport? I can't drive.

>>2016403
tohoku's a big place...

>>2016403
It really depends on which part of Tohoku you are talking about since public transport can be sparse depending on where you want to go, Fuji should be okay as long as you don't go to the more remote parts of it.

>>2016425
>>2016426
I was thinking to visit the different prefectures in tohoku and the onsen towns like ginzan

>>2016403
Simply remember, that Mt. Fuji is off-limits since precisely today.
You can only go there in July and August.
Focusing on Touhoku sounds like a good idea to avoid other foreigners.

>>2016429
The climbing season ends September 10, actually

>>2016403
>>2016428
I just went to Tohoku (all six pref) last month so I can shed some light.

You'll be ok. Most cities are well-connected by train/shinkansen and usually have a decent bus network. Onsen towns like Nyuto and Ginzan are pretty remote but they usually have infrequent buses so you can plan around their schedule. Generally, most tourist destinations will have some sort of bus.

I needed to use a car for Dewa Sanzan but that was more an exception rather than the norm. You might have an issue with somewhere like Towada-ko which is popular in autumn but there's usually tourist buses that can you go on.

Plus, there's not many foreigners, aside from Germans in Akita for some reason.

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>>2016429
>>2016432
>>2016509
thank you very much anons
here's my contribution

Muroran Station will close its Midori no Madoguchi after September 30th and becomes an unstaffed station the next day on October 1st.

https://news.mynavi.jp/article/20240902-3017232/

>>2016288
>The whole bit about bus driver shortages
In all seriousness how hard would it be to actually train the underemployed for the job? Or would the actual driving bit be actually difficult?

>>2016817
The issue is that literally zero young people are interested in driving buses, and the companies had to switch to appealing to mid-career job changers to have any results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAYGUW8SAi8

>>2016817
>>2016862
Frankly said: As a child train or bus driver were my dream occupations.
These days (not Japan, obviously) the passenger quality has degraded to a level, I wouldn't want to have to deal with them with a ten feet pole between me and them, and it's probably one of the few occupations, that will actually be made redundant by AI in the mid-term.
Especially in case of regular railways (as opposed to "New Transit" systems, which are already automated) it's more of a legislative problem than a technological issue, but even with road vehicles it's anything but far off.
It would probably be a good stopgap measure to train unemployed people in their late 40s/early 50s to become bus, truck and train drivers.
10 to 15 years from now appears to be a reasonable time-frame for the complete automation of mobility.

https://tabiris.com/archives/hanasaki2024/
At least we know JR Hokkaido isn't closing the Hanasaki line for a while, because they announced they're committing to making it a tourism-oriented line, considering going even as far as slowing down regular trains in scenic spots.

>>2016898
That's what they're doing.
Slowly becoming useless in construction due to age and health issues and lifelong employment isn't the standard any more? Become a bus driver! If you drive city buses you'll even be home every night!

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>Finally complete your line after an eternity of delays in 1997
>Become one of the most profitable third sector operators by carving out a niche to access the Hokuriku region quick
>Have the fastest narrow-gauge service in the country at 160-god-damn-km/h
>Get cucked by JR deciding to extend the Shinkansen
>Have to sell your super-fast limited express trainsets to JR
>Relegated to a slow-ass local services only line, probably bankrupt by 2035

Has there ever been a more tragic story for a railway company's fortunes in Japanese history?

falling down the rabbit hole of 運用表

>>2016862
Those bus companies will be able to attract drivers if the bus companies can guarantee 600,000 yen monthly salary and absolute 0 overtime work, and also ability to secure legal amount of holiday every year.
>>2017459
They just need to upgrade themselves into a Mini Shinkansen line connecting Joetsu and Hokuriku Shinkansen.

>>2017892
There has been a push towards connecting Joetsu and Hokuriku Shinkansen, and Mini-Shinkansening that line was one of the proposals, but the problem is that the biggest pusher of that connection has always been Kashiwazaki city, which is on the coast.
There was some news about it, and we discussed it two or three threads ago.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/e4cc2c610d7ef81a208df7c6818acd725198f918

JR Frieght suspend all container train operation in the country

>>2018070
You should have mentioned, it's temporarily due to trouble with the containers.
Wouldn't have put it past JR Freight to completely suspend operations indefinitely.

3-in-1 special:

https://tabiris.com/archives/hakodate-shinkansen2409/
>Hakodate Shinkansen topic reappears
>the city did calculations
>turns out the best way is to actually use normal Shinkansen trainsets and not split them at Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto, the exact opposite of the previous proposal
>this avoids developing a new mini-shinkansen(cost to JR Hokkaido) that would then need to be maintained differently(cost to JR Hokkaido)
>and also you no longer have two front cars with reduced capacity in the middle
>this also implies raising the voltage between Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto and Hakodate, which would likely not fit in the previous 16.9 billion yen estimate

https://tabiris.com/archives/hohisen202409/
>Kumamoto prefectural government is seeking national subsidy for Hohi line expansion
>this includes partial doubletracking and the Kumamoto Airport extension
>rush hour congestion rate of 121%, comparable to Tokyo area lines
>JR Kyushu is already doing some work on the line, including a station between Sanriki and Haramizu currently under construction, ETA 2027
>could potentially get a 55% subsidy, which is an unheard of amount, because it's related to the semiconductor facility that is being built near the line

https://tabiris.com/archives/2024romancecar/
>Odakyu talks about their upcoming new romancecar,
>“EXE replacement, VSE successor”
>so basically something like Tobu's “Spacia X” and JR East's “Saphir Odoriko”
>this fits Hakone becoming more of a high end tourism destination again
>but that would mean more focus on tourist facilities and less on commuters than current express trains
The end of the article is shilling an upcoming book about the future of Japanese Railways by the article's author, coming out on the 25th.

>>2014743
The Utsunomiya LRT is entirely separated from cars you dumbo. No cars go on the same lane.
Modern tram systems are good precisely for that reason. France pioneered them and it spread everywhere.

>>2015374
Have you never used a zoom lens? Zoom compresses image distance making it look like the gradient is much steeper than in reality.
>>2016509
EH, akita was pretty terrible for trains and buses. Not the city itself where I didn't go but the onsen towns and Tazawako lake

>>2018342
>turns out the best way is to actually use normal Shinkansen trainsets and not split them at Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto, the exact opposite of the previous proposal
>this avoids developing a new mini-shinkansen(cost to JR Hokkaido) that would then need to be maintained differently(cost to JR Hokkaido)
>and also you no longer have two front cars with reduced capacity in the middle
is track capacity an issue? not splitting trains eats into that
>>2018345
also japs love zoom lenses so they can fit the whole train in the shot

>>2018342
>(Using normal Shinkansen trainsets) avoids developing a new mini-shinkansen (cost to JR Hokkaido) that would then need to be maintained differently (cost to JR Hokkaido)
Is buying their own version of the E6/E8 (338/352 seats respectively) really that bad since using a H5 set just for Sapporo to Hakodate reeks of excess capacity (a typical 5-car KiHa261-1000 set used for Hokuto has around 250 seats compared to a E5/H5 set having 723 seats)

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>Want to do the whole-Sanin-line challenge
>It's still out of service and fucked after a year

Fug, it's not coming back is it?

>>2018833
The Mine line sure as hell isn't, except as a BRRRTT BRRT BRT system maybe.

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>>2018971
I was going to say that it may be rescued by all the UBE corporation stuff in Mine, but apparently they made their own private road(see map), including roadway crossings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUgK7E4OCXE
And besides that, Mine - Nagato area already has a bus system to access tourist sites outside the rail line like Akiyoshidai, Tawarayama Onsen or Toyotakohan. So as long as they won't be hindered by bus driver shortages, It might not make sense to rebuild the line.
>>2018833
That bit(Nagatoshi - Kogushi), as well as the bit directly before it (Matsuda - Nagatoshi) apparently have about 200 transportation density. That's 140 kilometers at a level where JR Hokkaido openly invites the municipalities to discuss closure. While the only lines JR West closed are Sanko line(48 transportation density) and Miki line(50 transportation density) and they are keeping around the Kisuki line(255-72 depending on section), I doubt they'll be in a hurry to fix it, especially since I remember reading that significant river control work would be required.

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https://mainichi.jp/graphs/20240919/mpj/00m/040/022000f/20240919mpj00m040033000p
>At around 8:07 a.m. on 19 May, a Shinkansen train running towards Tokyo on the Tohoku Shinkansen Line between Furukawa and Sendai Stations became uncoupled and both stopped on the tracks; according to JR East, the Hayabusa No. 6 (10 cars, approx. 200 passengers) and the Komachi No. 6 (7 cars, approx. 120 passengers) were running in coupling at Morioka Station. The train was running in a coupled configuration, but for some reason it was separated. According to the local fire department, no injuries were reported. The train did not derail and JR is investigating the details. Due to this, operations have been suspended on both the upper and lower lines between Tokyo and Shin-Aomori Station, and as of 11:00 am there was no prospect of resumption of operations.

Is this the first ever technical incident in the history of shinkansen operation?

>>2019077
https://mainichi.jp/articles/20240919/k00/00m/040/026000c
fuck wrong link, also deepl translation is wonky as fuck translating 19th as May

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>>2019079
>tfw pulling out before the nakadashi

>>2019079
>Komachi has no driver on board while coupled
>After separation they asked if any JR staff were on board and if so please head to the 車掌, presumably to help drive the thing
wwwwwwww

https://x.com/frozenpandaman/status/1836606818254258209

>>2018352
The zoom lens bit is true. I see plenty of train otakus with $5000 Canon L lenses.

It also helps that you can walk around with $10k in camera equipment here and nobody will mug you.

>>2019099
lel. Japs love nakadashi

>>2019199
lmao. JR East safety culture is quite lacking, compared to JR central at least. JR central is prehaps the most insanely autistic about train safety. Can even be seen in the way their conductors close doors after every station. Much longer and safer process than JR East.

>>2019077
Pretty crazy. But apparently the Shinkansen linked like that always have the rear train with brakes set to be stronger so in the even they separate the rear train won't collide into the front one.

>>2019202
aren't like 80% of JR central income is from shinkansen operation? that's why they're super autistic in making sure there is no interruption on the shinkansen operation at all costs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3YZRTy3N_Q
My moonrune understanding is limited, but what I got from this video is
>Hisatsu Orange Railway managed to establish a statutory council
>this will give them some government funding
>but that has a hard cap of 5 years
Also a lot of people in the comments are saying the situation will only get worse with time, with some even saying to just close it already.

>>2019278
From the first comment on that video and other sources the line already had a steady decline in ridership since both Kumamoto and Kagoshima Prefectures took over that portion of the Kagoshima Line

https://tetsudokyogikai.net/thirdsector/hisatsuorange

>Also a lot of people in the comments are saying the situation will only get worse with time, with some even saying to just close it already.
Still can't completely abandon the line though since JR Freight has a terminal in Kagoshima and still operates on that line

>>2019202
>Can even be seen in the way their conductors close doors after every station. Much longer and safer process than JR East.
iirc jr east is pretty much the only japanese railway that still lets drivers set off when the doors close instead of waiting for a signal from the conductor

>>2019278
>>2019305
Contrast and compare this with NHK Japan Railway Journal's fluff piece about how local governments in Kagoshima (even when the line doesn't run through their municipal boundaries) are supposedly willing to kick in and pay for it

In the end though, if there's something of national importance, the national government is the ultimate backstop. All the whining and nonsense people spew is actually just angling for money or make someone else pay for it. Government and politics tend to operate the same way no matter where you go

>>2018833
The JRs are not "good stewards" of local lines, they're often the ones actively trying to kill them off or using natural disasters as leverage against local government. The JNR partition and privatization law that designated all lines not explicitly discontinued as essential service in addition to the fact as a regulated service railways can't start or stop service without government approval is what's actually saved local lines to nowhere all these years

>55% subsidy, which is an unheard of amount, because it's related to the semiconductor facility that is being built near the line
If you think of it as a sweetheart deal to attract investment, it's neither strange nor unusual. The only difference is the national government is paying out their incentive to the firm in railway/infrastructure spending instead of a straight cash handout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJZvY1bnoC8
Sanyo Shinkansen temporarily suspended between Kokura and Hiroshima due to problems during overhead line replacement after last train.

After 25 years of service, rumors of retirement for the E26 passenger cars used for Cassiopeia are now surfacing:

https://tabiris.com/archives/casiopea2024/
>Besides the age of the passenger cars themselves, the age of the locomotives are also a concern as its fleet of EF81 AC/DC locomotives are reaching 50 years of service (Note that JR East sold its fleet of 15 EF510-500 AC/DC locomotives to JR Frieght after Hokkaido Shinkansen entered service)
>A day tour using the E26 passenger cars traveling from Sendai to Ueno on September 22nd were delayed for five hours due to problems with the EF81 80 locomotive in Kuroiso and rain delays.
>While the decor and the state of repair is much better than the Hokutosei 24 Series paseenger cars at their time of retirement (2016), but there are concern about barrier free access since the corridor is too narrow for modern standards.
>The tours and events are up to March 2025 at this point, which is why the rumors are surfacing.

>>2019860
>tours and events are up to March 2025
Is it possible to sign up to any still? ;_;

>>2019876
Remember that it is just rumors at this point (IFF JR East does retire the E26s it'll probably have some huge fanfare over it), and speaking of trips here's some of the upcoming Cassiopeia trips until mid-October but these are just short trips:
https://www.jrview-travel.com/reserve/topList?freeWord=%E3%82%AB%E3%82%B7%E3%82%AA%E3%83%9A%E3%82%A2&per=30&sort=1

>60,000 Yen for a day trip
Good GOD

>>2019877
>All 昼運行
But it's a sleeper train...

>>2019881
There's also one that is a two day / one night trip, but you don't even get to ride on the Cassiopeia for both days:

Day 1 - Ueno to Sendai (Cassiopeia), Sendai to Akita (Akita Shinkansen)
Day 2 - Akita to Sakata (Inaho), Sakata to Niigata (Kairi), Niigata to Tokyo (Joetsu Shinkansen)

https://www.jrview-travel.com/reserve/travelItem/detail?courseNo=24B0313

>>2019883
Yeah and it seems they put you up in a hotel for the night, what kind of dumbfuck tour is that when the whole point is you get to ride a famous SLEEPER train.

Also out of curiosity (as I probably can't afford it) do you know if it's possible to reserve Shikishima tours online?

>>2019884
>Yeah and it seems they put you up in a hotel for the night, what kind of dumbfuck tour is that when the whole point is you get to ride a famous SLEEPER train.
At least this only happens with the 4 day / 3 night Shikishima trips and you only get one night of hotel.

>Also out of curiosity (as I probably can't afford it) do you know if it's possible to reserve Shikishima tours online?
Remember that if the number of applicants is more than the available rooms (which probably happens all the time) a draw will be required to determine whether the winner.

https://www.jreast.co.jp/shiki-shima/en/application.html

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>>2019886
Fug, was hoping it would've come down a little in the past few years now that it's no longer the latest shiny thing.

>>2019890
>winning Japanese WWBM doesn't even suffice for a Shikishima trip

For the incident where the E6 Shinkansen set was decoupled while in motion (>>2019077), the preliminary findings from JR East indicate that metal chips/flakes were found around the switch's terminals, which caused a short circuit and the decoupling to occur.

https://www.jreast.co.jp/press/2024/20240926_ho02.pdf

>>2020011
Divine punishment for running two trains joined together instead of keeping the basado double decker sets.

>>2020115
The problem is track capacity, not train capacity. In peak periods the Tokyo - Omiya section has a train every 4 minutes, because it's used by Tohoku/Hokkaido Shinkansen, Akita Shinkansen, Yamagata Shinkansen, Joetsu Shinkansen and Hokuriku Shinkansen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ge81gKqtvE
The options are:
>quadtracking Omiya - Tokyo
that involves buying out some of the most expensive land in the world
>quadtracking Omiya - Akabane and then using the underground reserved area to make the planned Shinjuku Shinkansen station
probably cheaper but more difficult and you'd have to deal with the confusion of 2 termini
>coupling trains
cheap, and trains already need to have couplers in case they need to be towed anyway

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>>2020115
>Implying the E4s wouldn't decouple either if the opportunity arises
lol, lmao even. That and a single E4 set doesn't even have that much capacity gains compared to an E5 either (817 vs 723)

>>2020217
>The problem is track capacity, not train capacity
Then why is Hakodate going for direct Tokyo-Hakodate trains that don’t couple with other services? I’m not sure JR Hokkaido will want to cut into their Tokyo-Sapporo services…

2-part special re-run from 2019 featuring now new Liberal Democrat party leader Shigeru Ishiba and former Democrat(ic Party for the People) transport minister Seiji Maehara. Both are from Tottori, the former as a House Rep from Tottori and the latter a House Rep from Kyoto.

They go around on Wakasa Railway's tourist train, drive an engine for a bit, and have a meal together at a local restaurant. Both are railfans and have appeared on TV together a few times https://www.youtube.com/@ntv_tetsudobu

>>2020245
JR Hokkaido don't want travel time on Sapporo-Tokyo service be affected by the proposal, including the time it take to (de/)couple the train at Shin Hakodate Hokuto station.
Also, since the platform of Shin Hakodate Hokuto station is only 10 cars long, if it is to decouple then Hakodate will only get like 3 cars
>Cut unti Tokyo Sapporo service
It won't, because there will only be something like 5 trains from Tokyo that terminate inside Hakodate City, and they can be achieved by extending trains that currently terminate at Shin Aomori, as long as capacity of Seikan tunnel permit, and that won't be a problem if they end up deciding to abandon Hakodate Main Line.

>>2018663
JR Hokkaido emphasize any plans of extending the Shinkansen service into inside Hakodate City must cause zero burden on JR Hokkaido, no matter financial or operational or.
Adding another type of trains onto JR Hokkaido's network is a burden.
And if through service is to realize, then that mean JR Hokkaido vehicles will also need to enter the track, and if it is to be Mini Shinkansen then JR Hokkaido also need to order Mini Shinkansen trains instead of full Shinkansen trains in addition to what Hakodate City will get

As for whether it's going to be oversupply of capacity, surely shortening travel time from 4 hours to 1.3 hours can induce many demands. How much is still up to debate but can probably fill a bigger train.

Would it be worth it to visit hokkaido if I could only spend 3-4 days there? How feasible is it just to vibe on the local trains and not drive around compared to the usual Kansai/Tokyo regions?

Currently weighing up whether to take a detour on my next trip and ride on a classic 767 on the way up before they get replaced with 787 shitboxes

>>2020420
>JR Hokkaido emphasize any plans of extending the Shinkansen service into inside Hakodate City must cause zero burden on JR Hokkaido, no matter financial or operational or.
Wouldn't extending the service into Hakodate city proper cause some sort of burden to JR Hokkaido unless JRTT or whoever else will be paying for the infrastructure modficiation required (which will probably probably a lot)?

>>2020452
3~4 days is probably not enough for Hokkaido, and depending on where you want to ride the local trains the service frequency can be sparse as well.

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Today is the 60th anniversary of the Tokaido Shinkansen. Say something nice about it.

>>2020519
BRING BACK THE DINING CARS JEWPAN RAIL TOUKAI

>>2020519
it's bland and uninspired. All the other Shinkansen are nice and interesting, except the Tokaido Shinkansen which looks and feels like a soulless commuter train

/t.Shigeru Ishiba

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>>2020523
Sorry you will buy your 2000 yen ekiben and you will like it.

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>>2020523
>Wanting to lose money for a multitude of reasons (reduced capacity and relative lack of food choice for starters)
lol, lmao even. Given how relatively few people can be convinced to push carts to begin with (remember that in-train sales is basically dead at this point) it will be even more difficult to convince people to want to cook in such cramped conditions.

>>2020570
This is why a "mid-range" product has no future. Look at tourist trains that has high-end dining experiences, whether the fully make it on board or not, the trend is to hire some fancy chef, use expensive materials, Mitooka Eji-designed interiors, and charge an exuberant price that tourists will happily pay. This is the way forward for dining on trains.

The low-end alternative is having nothing (low quality service) and customers buy whatever crap they find in the station before getting on. This is the approach a high-volume, low-margin operator takes. JR Central does exactly that, except their route is high-margin due to the geographic fundamentals, not because of any effort on their part.

>>2020519
posting this contemporary documentary on its construction in case anyone here hasn’t seen it, lots of cool footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYjFOYLAtoE

https://tabiris.com/archives/kamotsu-shinkansen2024/
>JR East will develop a freight-only shinkansen car
>almost certainly for Tohoku/Hokkaido Shinkansen
>no seats, larger doors, may also provide luggage space
>initially 2 per train, but freight-only Shinkansen trains are considered
On one hand freight shinkansen fixes many problems, but on the other some of those fixes mean there's no reason to keep certain lines. Hakodate line between Oshamanbe and Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto for example.

>>2020701
it’s just for fast light freight, isn’t it? so it’s not going to replace the regular jr freight container trains

>>2020712
2 freight/luggage/cabin cars per train definitely isn't enough, but full freight trains could be enough to create niches that would eat into normal freight, things like fresh Hokkaido milk straight to Kanto shelves in under 12 hours.

>>2020701
There was a pilot project of JR East transporting Tohoku fruits and other perishable foods via Shinkansen I guess this is a natural extension of that.

Has anyone reserved the West Express Ginga via the JR pass official reservation portal? Do you know if you're able to reserve the nobinobi beds in Car 5 or just the regular reclining seats?

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>>2020624

Nice, thanks, new favourite /n/ .jif.

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>>2020624
>>2020887
>WHAT IS LOVE
>BABY DON'T HURT ME
>DON'T HURT ME
>NO MORE

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>>2020885

Well for anyone curious, the answer seems to be: Regular seats in Cars 2/3 only, but apparently Car 2 is for femoids only so better go with Car 3.

Also half the seats had filled up within 15 seconds of going on sale at 10 AM JST today, as expected, all gone within 7 minutes. Going to try and reserve for the runs on the 15th/16th myself.

>>2020914
nobody here is old enough to get the reference

>>2021337
You did though anon. :3

And with lovely digits to boot.

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The 3.2km Osaka metro Chuo line extension to Yumeshima manmade island for the 2025 EXPO Osaka has been announced. It will open on January 19, 2025.

The Station is extremely oversized to make way for the expo 2025 visitors and the future casino and Vegas like convention halls.

The G-shock train will ferry passengers to the island, that was until now only used for container ships and had no transit.

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>>2020624

>43:12: In the Shinkansen stations, there are no advertisements or billboards, they are immaculate and bright stations

FFFFFFF JUST IMAGINE, THE ABSOLUTE SOVL, BRING BACK NATIONALISED RAILWAY NOW

ユダヤ人 OUT OF MY TRAINS AND STATIONS

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211 series, my beloved

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>>2021555

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/1a0466ed451498c64a1f97243c167ed79881ef8a

Sadly more bad news for the Hokkaido Shinkansen extension. That huge rock in the Yotei tunnel in Kutchan is evidently difficult enough to remove that all construction has been suspended.

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yes, this makes perfect sense

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>>2021745
while I appreciate the convenience of being able to just tap any bank card and go in many usa systems I do miss the variety of ic cards to collect

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>>2021745

Suica-implants when?

>>2021809
Never, they are going on the face recognition route. test stations are spawning in osaka

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>>2021335

Ok, so turns out you CAN reserve the couchettes but for some retarded reason they show up as a separate train/route entirely (Ginga Recliner vs Ginga Couchette, whereas normally you'd just expect the same train with different carriages to choose from). However when reserving for the 15th now, the couchette only showed up as a possible route from Himeji for some stupid reason instead of from Kyoto, so had to go with a reclining seat. Fuck you JR. (._. )

All reclining seats gone in <2 mins, people clearly want night trains JR fucking bring them back.

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>>2022098

Actually I see what it's doing, it thinks there's no point leavinjg Kyoto at 9 PM because you can take a rapid an hour later and meet the Ginga at Himeji, and the JR pass reservation tool only shows the first three recommended routes obviously optimised for total travel time i.e. pure kuso.

Thankfully the way back from Shimonoseki only has the one practical non-Shinkansen route, so will get to couchette for the return at least.

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Not sure if it was discussed yet, but 500 series to retire in 2027, goodnight sweet tapeworm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRozaDuNZvQ

>>2020221
these things look so fucking cool it's criminal that they're not in service anymore. they look like they're from a scifi movie.

https://tabiris.com/archives/ouu-hidenka/
>section of Ou line between Shinjo and Innai damaged by torrential rain in July will be restored
>but de-electrified
>JR East was already looking into de-electrifying low transportation density lines since 2015 to reduce costs
>already did it between Aizu-Wakamatsu and Kitakata in 2022
>at 291 transportation density this section was mentioned as a next candidate even before the damage
>planned to reopen in time for Golden Week 2025
>will be served by GVE-400s and Kiha 110s
>it is unclear whether the currently open part of the line will be de-electrified, and if yes, whether will it go to Yuzawa, or all the way to Yokote


https://tabiris.com/archives/geibisen202410/
>Geibi line restructuring council meets again
>the whole line, all the way to Hiroshima, will be surveyed, mainly for use of public transport by locals and travel convenience
>this does sort of put a timer on the whole thing, since railroad companies and local governments are required to come to an agreement within three years after conducting surveys and demonstration projects
>JR West is open to either separate service from track ownership/maintenance, or run the buses themselves or as a joint venture
>Hiroshima prefecture wants the country to step in and reform the way local railways are handled because they're afraid JR West won't stop on the Geibi line and close more lines
>the national govenrment insists local lines are a local matter and that they're merely facilitating cooperation between local governments and JR companies

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>>2022519

>de-electrification

As long as they don't close the line still in the end, that's actually based, kino, and trad.

Also discovered something interesting, it appears certain seats (at least on the Sunrise Seto/Izumo) are restricted to longer distance travelers. E.g. trying to reserve from Himeji -> Tokyo on Nov. 19 shows as full, but trying to reserve the same day from Okayama -> Tokyo has 12 fucking nobinobi painslabs still available. Pretty bullshit JR.

https://tabiris.com/archives/keikyudia2024/
>Keikyu is finally reviving the late night airport rapid trains previously cut because of chinkflu
>last train bound for Kanazawa-Bunko(Yokohama direction) now at 10:48 PM
>last train bound for Shinagawa now at 00:05 AM
>this gives you 5 minutes to catch the last uchimawari(counterclockwise) Yamanote line train for Ikebukuro
>but you still miss the last train for Shinjuku by 4 minutes
Writer notes that further improvements from railway companies are expected since apparently bus driver shortage is affecting even airport limousine buses. I expected this to be more of a rural problem with more and more people centralising in Kanto area, but I guess it really is nation-wide.

https://tabiris.com/archives/ishikari-ropeway3/
>Ishikari City(Sapporo suburb) is looking into getting a commuter ROPEWAY
>they ran a study with 15 scenarios(3 routes, each with rail, monorail, LRT, ropeway, and BRT)
>somehow the ropeway won
>it's supposed to use the Zippar system, which would allow it to take turns, but is yet to be built anywhere
>apparently the cars are self-propelled
>connecting Ishikari New Port with subway terminus at Asabu, estimated ridership of 10000 people per day
>26.6 billion yen cost, but might be first introduced as a test section
Isn't this right in the approach path of Okadama airport?

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>>2022944
>COMMUTER
>FREAKIN'
>ROPEWAYS
God damn nipboomers will fall for anything.

>6 people per cuckpod
wwwwwww

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>Want to try and reserve an A class Sunrise berth tomorrow
>Tried a test today at 10 AM JST, after an initial error page due to server load, all non-smoking were sold out by 10:00:15
>All smoking were sold out by 10:00:30

Maybe I should just aim for a B class...

>>2022944

Seems more like a monorail from their PR vid running just above street level, so won't really affect planes: https://zip-infra.co.jp/en/index.html

>>2022958
>>2023013
It seems like a self-propelled self-driving gondola that can dangle off either rails or ropes.
Also this video says 12 passengers, and it looks like it's 6 seating(which is what the slide says) + 6 standing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oolTg1Bm5_o

The Seishun 18 Kippu is practically dead:
https://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/27427602/
Its validity period gets changed to 3 or 5 consecutive days by a single rider.

Too bad. 青春とは...

>>2023036
>consecutive
Oof size: でけぇぇ

It's just fucking local trains why JR gotta be such kikes.

>>2023013
>non-smoking A sold out at 11:00:03 on page load
>non-smoking B sold out while I was trying to pay by 11:00:20
nobinobi life it is I suppose. ;_;

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>>2023105
Nevermind actually, turns out JR Central are just retarded. It will show B class as fully booked unless you click on the 'later trains' option, at which point it shows these sneaky bastards. Seems the first page search only shows twin births, 110% Tokai bwaka design. A twin actually freed up though so booked it for single use anyway before figuring this out.

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>>2023036
Fuck, I had a trip prepared for next year that used it explicitly because it could be used on non-consecutive days.
Mito-Niigata-Aomori joshaken is 11330¥ but even with stopovers it's not valid for long enough. I didn't check how much normal tickets would add up to, probably 13-14K¥, which is still a better deal than the 5 consecutive day Tohoku Area Pass for 30K¥ which doesn't even cover Niigata because they want you to also buy the 27K¥ Nagano Niigata Area Pass.
I hate how JR companies keep taking away options from slower travelers. They know they can milk us because local buses are too slow, expressway buses and planes skip over everything, and not everyone wants to rent wheels(but it seems like that will be the only option that's actually viable for slow travel in a couple years at this rate).

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>>2023112
>JR Tokai
*JR West whoops, so used to JR Tokai's generally shitty taido every time I interact with them I instinctually blamed them for e5489 too.

On the bright side though, kept refreshing every 10 or so mins today while shitposting, and a smoking Deluxe opened up. Suit Train and some others say they don't smell too shitty surprisingly (probably as even non-smokers use them a lot just to get the A class experience) so will risk it and cancel the Single Twin.

>>2023167
Just buy 2x of the new 5 day ones and it'll work fine still, 12,000 yen is nothing unless you're a SEAmonkey. And still 54,000~ yen cheaper than a 2-week JR pass.

>>2023036
Watch the newest Suit Train video: That's a good thing. And nothing of value was lost.

Tetsu-ota, the cheap/poor, etc. are not desirable customers and conversely negatively affect normies on the train. Further, the ticket as it was constituted was unpleasant for employees to deal with and no one liked it except those with a hobby or trying to travel for next for nothing.

15 years after I first tried using it (boomer here), not in a million years would I buy such a thing again, and in fact I now have extreme prejudice against sideways-facing long seats and non-limited express/joyful trains because my paid time off is in fact scarce and very expensive to me to expend on non-comfortable/fun experiences

>>2023170
>was unpleasant for employees to deal with
Surely it could still be made a magnetic ticket while allowing non-consecutive use, same way a Surutto Kansai does.

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>>2023170
>newest Suit Train video
God damn he talks fast. I'd cast him for a live-action Yojouhan adaptation as Watashi with that fucking impossible to follow internal monologue.

Is the ROYAL EXPRESS worth it?

Iirc it’s the only narrow gauge train between the Honshu and Hokkaido

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>>2023350
It actually doesn't travel from Honshu to Hokkaido like the sleepers, JR Hokkaido just rents the trainset from Izukyu plus a MaNi 50 car from JR East (to power the trainset) and uses two DE15 locomoatives to tow them. The 4 Day / 3 Night itinerary basically travels around the eastern portion of Hokkaido before returning to Sapporo.

https://www.the-royalexpress.jp/plan/3327/

>>2023350

Current schedule doesn't seem to leave Hokkaido as >>2023355 mentions, and considering it's a JR Hokkaido cruise train they'll probably stay in their box.

If you want to ride through the Seikan tunnel on narrow gauge though, can always get a job with JR Freight.

>>2023366
Considering they’re now importing gaijin even for railway workers, this is within the realm of possibility. Now if only I can do the manual announcements on the train…

>>2023355
What a ghetto-ass looking slapped together cruise train, sasuga JR Hokkaido.

>>2023312
You are simply MADAMADA.
Give it a few years and you'll have zero trouble following along: Never give up!

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>Can't reserve the Nanki section between Tsu <-> Yokkaichi at all with a JR pass online because of the Ise Tetsudou non-JR tracks thing, so just made two reservations for each side on the same train

If I just sneak into the toilet for 20 minutes between Tsu and Yokkaichi, what are the odds of getting busted for kiseru?

I know this is neither /pol/ nor /int/, but any thoughts on the election over the weekend? Is Ishiba finished? If Noda and the Democrats return to power, will Seiji Maehara return as transport minister?

Lads, is the railroad situation in Hokkaido really doomed. I have still yet to ride the Rumoi Line

https://tabiris.com/archives/zaiseishin2024/
Council for Fiscal Affairs, an advisory body in the Ministry of Finance, is giving "helpful advice"
>You know how Nagasaki is trying to loosen the 5 Base Conditions required for Shinkansen to be greenlit to make Saga play along? You should actually enforce them more!
>You know how one of the reasons Hokkaido Shinkansen is getting delayed is because there was arsenic and other shit in the soil from the tunnels and they couldn't secure a dumping site for years? You should make all future Shinkansen constructions secure such sites even if there's zero reason to believe there will be such dangerous soil!
>You know how usually the prefecture is the part that wants the Shinkansen more and JR is the part that needs convincing? You should make JR pay a bigger portion of the construction cost!
>You know how several proposed Shinkansen barely meet cost/benefit quota with current construction costs? You should require estimated inflation-adjusted costs instead!
>You know how Nagasaki is still actively trying to make West Kyushu Shinkansen completion actually happen? We declare that it's an abandoned construction and you should make everyone account for measures in case construction gets abandoned!
>Oh by the way every single one of those affects Osaka extension of Hokuriku Shinkansen, hope you didn't need that.
>Also we should change the loan fee system for JRTT-constructed Shinkansen to be calculated on ALL JR profits from the area, not just railway profits.
>And make them pay for station construction too.

In words of the article author, "the five conditions for starting construction of the Shinkansen are becoming unfeasible, and if further hurdles are added, it may be impossible to construct a Shinkansen in the future." I know that there are some lines which are basically memes like San'in Shinkansen, but there also are lines that might actually make profit like Oita Shinkansen via Yufuin.

>>2023467
How did it go for you?

>>2023776

Based, fuck the Shinkansen, bring back more yakou ressha and get everyone to slow their roll.

>How did it go for you?

Ticket is for Nov 23, will let you know. Will probably just move to the unreserved carriage and see if the conductor bothers to come up to me and extract the 800-whatever-yen surcharge (considering it's Tokai, very likely).

>>2023366
What about the Shiki Shima?

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>Reserving the Ibusuki no Tamatebako
>Wondering what the fuck is up with this seat map
>Check the actual layout

Of course it's Eiji-kun at work again should've guessed wwwww

>>2023848

Getting a job with JRF is probably easier (and more affordable) than winning a Shikishima lottery.

The section of Tsugaru Line between Kanita and Mimmaya, which was damaged by floods in August 2022 will be officially abandoned in Spring 2027

https://tabiris.com/archives/tsugarusen202411/

>>2024187
>WIll be literally no zairaisen connection to Okutsugaru-Imabetsu now in walking distance
Interesting.

https://tabiris.com/archives/chihountenshi/
>young train drivers are leaving rural areas
>average age in rural train companies jumped from 38.5 years old in 2019 to 48.9 years old in 2023
>many rural companies end up having to hire retired JR drivers to have drivers at all, but this only compounds the problem
>the biggest reason is probably money, average rural train driver salary is 290K yen versus 430K yen in urban areas
>Takamatsu Kotohira Electric Railway confirms they have to focus on attracting mid-career job changers because the younger drivers just get the license, some experience, and then fuck off JR or major private companies
>Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism is taking measures to try to remedy it
>age limit for the license will be lowered to 18
>train drivers have been added to the Specified Technical Skills System for Foreign Nationals, and since it's in the 1st category, you can get a 5 year visa for it
>Guidelines for Calculating Cost of Revenue of Railway Fares were also revised to allow wage increases to be reflected in fare(I believe 3rd sectors are bound by this and for private railways it's a guideline but I'm not sure?)
>then there's also the potential for future automation
>author says that ultimately it's the small companies that need to show prospects for young drivers

>>2024325
>and then fuck off JR or major private companies
Well, who could blame them?
Kotoden is a fun line, but driving it all day every day of your entire work life?
You need to have a way to make that "worth it" for young ones.

Why the fuck is the Sapporo Shinkansen line taking so long to build, and why is there no English language stuff about it online?

>>2024515
>Why the fuck is the Sapporo Shinkansen line taking so long to build
1)rocks too hard to dig that needed specialized work to break them before digging
2)earth tainted with arsenic and other toxic shit in Sapporo suburbs of all places that they couldn't secure a dumping site for in years
3)worker shortages
4)environmental assessments took longer than expected
> and why is there no English language stuff about it online?
Not much to brag about, and frankly Hokuriku Shinkansen extention and Nagasaki Shinkansen already had less English coverage than earlier lines.

>>2024525
Are there any public pictures showing the construction?

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Finally got to ride the Hokuhoku line, managed to get a last minute ticket for the 時空 exhibit/tunnel light performance they were doing on the final day of the Echigo Triennial (riding from Matsudai, then disembarking at Misashima to view it from the underground platform).

Fun stuff, wish I got to ride the Snow Rabbit still though.

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Okay, so it turns out 2/3 of people who ride the Ginga are 20 - 40 yo Japanese Tetsuota.

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>>2025123
Also cute ticket holders and speshul 車掌 stamp.

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>>2025124
>9,900 yen for Gingaballs: The Shirt
Milking 鉄ヲタ for that much is just cruel.

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>>2025128
>55,000 yen for Gingaballs: The Replica Headmark
wwwwwwww

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>>2025130
Might as well post the 117 ojisan itself too I guess.

>>2024525
Can't forget that the majority of the line is tunneled, around 80% of the 211.5km route between Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto and Sapporo will be tunneled and there are seven tunnels that are longer than 10km with another one that comes close to it. Here are some of the longest tunnels sorted by length:

Oshima: 32,675m
Saason (Between New Otaru and Sapporo): 26,230m
Shiribeshi: 17,975m
Tateiwa: 16,980m
Uchiura: 15,560m
Futatsunomori: 12,630m
Konbu: 10,410m
Youtei: 9,750m

Oshima was supposed to be built as two separate tunnels (Oshima @ 26,470m and Murayama @ 5,265m), but they changed it after engineering surveys.

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>Hakodate line knocked out for 3 days by a JRF derailment
Smells like a false flag by JR Hokkaido to help justify dumping it.

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https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15511861
>japs eyeing chinese made fake trams
it's over

>>2020473
>Wouldn't extending the service into Hakodate city proper cause some sort of burden to JR Hokkaido unless JRTT or whoever else will be paying for the infrastructure modficiation required (which will probably probably a lot)?
JR Hokkaido is not exactly interested in the proposal, their position is if Hakodate City want to do it then they must find way to fund it fully and entirely in ways that does not require JR Hokkaido paying anything, no matter what the modification might be

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What a lucky YOU!

Would YOU happen to be here?

>>2025652
>https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15511861
Absolutely stupid. The point of any wasteful govt pork barrel project to is pay back your funders, in this case your local political crook pays back the construction firms that got 'em elected. When you buy Chinese junk, you defeat the purpose of the pork barrel because you're now benefiting a hostile country that antagonizes you instead of local (or national) firms that pay to play and keep you in power.

No wonder the proposal lost and they gave up on the idea. What sort of brain dead moron thought that one up?