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What's in the news lately?
~The railway is in the process of being restored to public ownership (link above) - in short, passenger railway services are to be provided by public sector companies, instead of by private companies' franchises. The fine details are a little vague at this stage, and the rolling stock - i.e. the trains - will almost certainly continue to be leased from private companies.
~ScotRail plan to replace the venerable HSTs (railmagazine.com/news/2024/09/03/scotland-to-replace-hst-fleet/)
~UK's first battery-powered intercity train begins tests on the mainline (railtechnologymagazine.com/articles/uks-first-battery-powered-intercity-train-begins-testing-national-rail-network/)
~Network Rail will waive railfreight track access charges for six months (railwaygazette.com/uk/track-access-charge-waiver-aims-to-attract-new-freight-to-rail/67235.article/)
~First HS2 viaduct complete (mediacentre.hs2.org.uk/news/hs2-celebrates-first-completed-viaduct/)

Cool stuff to do?
~lner.co.uk/our-destinations/popular-destinations/trains-to-york/things-to-do-in-york/ - take a trip at 125mph from King's Cross to York. Make sure to spend an hour or two in the National Railway Museum near York station, and take in York Castle and the city's Viking history exhibits afterward.
~avantiwestcoast.co.uk/where-we-go/destination-guides/lake-district/ - journey through the Dales into Oxenholme, and go mountain biking through the gorgeous natural scenery of the Lake District national park.
~www.sleeper.scot/destination/ftw/ - take the Caledonian Sleeper from London to Fort William, then change onto the westcoastrailways.co.uk/jacobite/steam-train-trip/ Jacobite steam train that'll take you over the famous Glenfinnan 'Harry Potter viaduct'.
~scenicrailbritain.com/lines/st-ives-bay-line/ - the St Ives Bay Line will take you to the sandy beaches of Cornwall.
~cadw.gov.wales/visit/places-to-visit/caerphilly-castle/ - visit the largest castle in Wales, a short walk from the station.

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...and no book recommendation this time around - dunno about you but lately I've been absolutely hooked on the Olympics and, right now, the Paralympics. Here's a pair of the specially-liveried Eurostar trains at St Pancras, who've been ferrying TeamGB athletes & para-athletes between London and Paris.

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so what's stopping the government run rail franchises to slap the double arrow onto their trains and call themselves British Rail again?

>>2016941
Not a lot - it's probably what the end result will look like. Right now, the law needs to be changed so that this can happen, and so Parliament has to come to an agreement on exactly how it should be changed, and what it should be changed to.

Meanwhile, 'shadow GBR' is being set up by the people in charge of the Government-run rail franchises and Network Rail, ready to take over responsibility for passenger rail travel once they're ready and legally allowed to, and to make whatever improvements are possible in the meantime. Here's a brief speech from yesterday made by the Transport Secretary about this process: https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/establishing-a-shadow-great-british-railways

>...and no book recommendation this time around
Is that because nobody reads them?

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>>2016934
>First HS2 viaduct complete
The Colne Valley viaduct is now finished, as well: it's now the longest rail bridge in Britain. They've yet to actually install the track and sound barriers, of course, and there's the remediation work to the construction site, but there it is.

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Standard in the new 810s...

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...and First. Still going to be a year or so before they end up in service, though.

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https://hs2.green/our-conference-motion-e01-green-rail-strategy-for-the-midlands-and-the-north/

Grand Central's now open in Belfast, or the bus interchange portion at least ... supposedly the trains will be transferring to the new station 'sometime in the autumn' so, great, just in time for the nice weather lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YCWnfFLsL0

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>>2016941
>so what's stopping the government run rail franchises to slap the double arrow onto their trains and call themselves British Rail again?
Give it time. Once they end this silly arrangement with the rolling stock all being leased from private owners you'll probably see something similar to pic rel, just replace Russia with GBR and Soviet Union with British Rail.

>>2017950
>Once they end this silly arrangement with the rolling stock all being leased from private owners
It's be nice, but given everything else in the news lately, I'm not sure anybody's going to find a few billion between the couch cushions to basically nationalise the ROSCOs as well.

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1. Except with written permission from an operator no person on the railway shall, to the annoyance of any person:

1. sing or
2. use any instrument, article or equipment for the production or reproduction of sound

I would rather drive down to London from the the Midlands than get on a train again. If it's more than 2 people in the car it's actually cheaper too.

Someone I work with was talking about rail strikes again, and I had to explain how there are two different unions, one for people who work on the tracks and one for train drivers. But it made me think: if train drivers are going on strike, and if the train companies are privatised, what do we care if they get paid more? It's a private company; my taxes don't pay train drivers. Do they?

>>2018551
>my taxes don't pay train drivers. Do they?
They don't. The closest you'll get to that kind of thing would be how Network Rail - the 'everything that doesn't move or breathe' people - currently exist in a legal fiction where they're an independent private company but just so happen to be underwritten by the Government so that they can borrow money from banks at favourable-ish rates. Like a 16-year-old being put on their dad's car insurance.

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vaguely interesting: there's track drainage work going on around Berwick this month, so for a few weekends it's Azumas up part of the WCML after doing a loop-de-loop in Newcastle.

(a rare thing since privatisation - one of those shitty 'it's cheaper + less faff for us to put on rail replacement buses than it is to have drivers maintain route knowledge outside their normal patch' things)

Scratching my head a little at this:

>https://www.railmagazine.com/news/2024/09/17/hull-trains-reveals-possible-sheffield-timetable

Hull Trains are after launching a direct Sheffield-King's Cross train, going via Retford - so doing a big loop around Gainsborough and Lincoln before joining the ECML at Newark. According to the article it's for the benefit of the Worksop catchment area:

>Hull Trains believes there is an untapped market which would make this new service worthwhile, saying that an estimated 350,000 people in the Worksop and Woodhouse catchment areas would have direct rail access to London with this planned new service.

...but Worksop already has an hourly train to Sheffield, which is of course on the Midland Main Line with St Pancras at the other end. Surely there's no pressing demand for a 'long way round' service to the station that's next door to St Pancras?

https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/excitement-builds-for-railways-200th-anniversary-across-the-south-of-england
>Railway 200 celebrations on track, as more partners get on board
>International festival programme unveiled, inspired by journey that changed the world
>National rail sale, largest assembly of trains and rail exhibits, national locomotive ‘whistle-off’, and much more!
>[big-ass list]
>These, and other events across the UK, are being publicised on a new interactive map on the Railway 200 website (www.railway200.co.uk). Other activities include anniversary-related train namings, open days, heritage trails, rail staff and public events, commemorative books, exhibitions, competitions, school and public talks, steam shows, site visits, murals, quizzes and charity fundraising.

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This sounds promising, as well:

https://www.railmagazine.com/news/2024/09/19/replica-of-locomotion-no-1-to-re-enact-first-rail-passenger-journey
>The celebrations will include a re-enactment of the first journey on the S&DR, taking place on 26, 27 and 28 September 2025. A newly renovated replica of Locomotion No. 1, the passenger carriage Experiment and coal waggons will run on sections of the original S&DR line over three days. Spectators will be able to see the train at designated locations and visit special events organised along the route over the three days. The Anniversary Celebration is sponsored by LNER and the festival team is working with Network Rail on route planning and delivery of the event.

I'm genuinely pleased that there's a 'proper history' angle to this as well: it feels just and right for Locomotion No.1 - or at least the NRM's replica - to have a fire lit in its belly and to haul a train along the same line its predecessor did, two centuries previous.

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sshhh ... train is sleep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJx6MdesrY4

Like another world. Hard to believe it would all be obsolete within what, ten years?

What is a good example of a shunting yard devoted to the maintenance/assembly of engines and other rolling stock and nothing else?

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>>2019899
Doncaster Works

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>>2019899
Swindon Works, for the GWR - literally put the town on the map.

>>2019923
Such a shame it's partly derelict, these days: there's the big, wide, ornate overhead footbridge leading straight from the platforms to the old works, and it's all barriered off

>train to London
>comfy seat
>food
>sunny day
>overtaking an EMR regional on the slow line
>spot a 66 waiting patiently at the GBRF depot
happy anon

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>>2019923
>>2019998
Thanks, will check these out. Planning my first model railroad with English and Polish trains in years for some nephews and I've been trying to find a few straight forward examples to study.

>>2020521
Is that a class 86? Never noticed just how distinctive the yellow fronts made our trains look.

>>2020540
The PKP Class EU06 and later EU07 was derived from the Class 83 locomotive, actually. Polish State Railways placed an order to English Electric in the 1960's for the the assembly of 20 such units their Vulcan Foundry at Newton-le-Willows.

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>>2020682
Forgot picture. This one right here is the exact progenitor model, I believe.

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(long, drawn-out sigh)

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Ladbroke Grove happened 25 years ago today: the long and short of it is, an inexperienced driver passed a red signal at a notorious section of track not far from Paddington, putting his train into the path of an intercity train travelling at top speed. Thirty-one people were killed in the resulting crash because of inadequate privatisation-era driver training, and Railtrack's failure to grasp the scope or scale of the issue with the signal.

reading between the lines, it sounds like Euston is back on the menu for HS2 after all. maybe they'll grasp the nettle and rebuild the entire thing yet again, now that it's out that it's basically not fit for purpose as it is?

>>2017803
>Grand Central's now open in Belfast, or the bus interchange portion at least ... supposedly the trains will be transferring to the new station 'sometime in the autumn'

Later this week, apparently: https://www.translink.co.uk/corporate/media/pressreleases/bgcsupdates
>Following good progress on the Rail Safety Certification Process, Translink is now making preliminary plans to commence rail services from Belfast Grand Central Station on Sunday 13th October.
>We are starting to put plans in place to enable the timely start of rail operations, so everything is ready to go for customers as soon as the certification process is fully complete.
>Local Rail Services: The rail line is expected to reopen between Belfast and Lisburn for passenger services
>Enterprise services: Cross Border Enterprise Services will relocate to operate to/from Belfast Grand Central Station. (Note it will no longer serve Lanyon Place Station).

I've got some longest TOC routes coming up this week boys
>Southern: Southampton to Victoria
>Southeastern: London St Pancras to Ramsgate via Dover
>SWR: Waterloo to Exeter St Davids
Not looking forward to the Southampton one desu because it's only one train at fucking half 6ish in the morning

There was an aborted Nightstar service from the UK to the continent. Would it be possible to start a higher speed sleeper service (100-140mph) using HS1?
Using EU standard rolling stock and starting from St Pancras or Stratford Intl would allow for destinations further than Paris or Amsterdam to be reached using the High Speed and conventional networks of other countries.

ÖBB have shown through the Nightjet service that it can work.

>>2021296
Maybe.
The amount of noise Reeves is making about the £22B "black hole" makes it a coin toss

>>2021296
I reckon they'll grudgingly agree to Euston and Crewe - basically Phase 1 - then announce it'll be handed over to a quango to run for the next 30 years, same as HS1 12 years ago, plus a few empty promises about Phase 2

>>2021372
The issue with a HS2 sleeper is passport control. No one wants to be woken up in the middle of the night to go through customs and there isn't the room to bolt on a secure customs area at existing stations. Maybe is we join Schengen but that's crack pipe levels of delusion

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Average age of rolling stock in years by operator, Great Britain, as of 31 March 2024

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You may not like it but this is what peak logo design looks like

>>2021663
This is actually one of the worst logos ever. It's designed with steam locomotives in mind, exactly at the time when steam locomotives were considered ancient. It's pure tone deaf, a simbol of British politicians pretending the UK is still the greatest thing ever.

https://thebeautyoftransport.com/2015/02/18/lions-and-wheels-british-railways-lion-emblems-1949-1964/

Pic related, instead...

>>2021671
>The circular one with white background [...] was intended for carriages, though it was also used on some locomotives when an ad-hoc decision was made that it might look nicer (modern corporate identity designers will at this point have their heads in their hands).
absolutely based

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>>2021671
>>2021674
>Images not uploading
Reee

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>>2021658
>I'm older than most UK train fleets
Fuck

Also, why are Chiltern trains so much older than everything else?

>>2021683
The bulk of their fleet is made up of MK3 carriages and Class 165s.
I was going to ask the same question for SWT but I remembered they still have loads of 455s in service.

>>2021658
I'd be interested to see that same data from 1 or 2 years previous, before Merseyrail withdrew the 507's and 508's.

>>2021689
They're Mk3's bit they're bloody posh inside.
>>2021793
And TfW not having their brand new stuff

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>>2021793
>>2021812
Behold. Digging a little deeper, the other major rolling stock changes around this time was the complete Heathrow Express fleet replacement, and the new 710s for London Overground.

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...here's a nice summary, anyway.

>>2021683
>why are Chiltern trains so much older than everything else?
I think they're limited by Marylebone more than anything - the kindest thing you could say about the place is that it's a middling-size unelectrified country town station, somehow plonked in nowheresville, London.

>>2021683
Because all their trains were made at the same time.
You get much older trains on Southern And Southeastern (class 455) but that's cancelled out by their newer trains

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I quite like the 185s. Decent seats, big windows, plenty of luggage space, built like a brick shithouse. They're showing their age just a little bit, but they're alright as regional trains go.

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Odd question: does the London Underground / T+W Metro / etc use standard-gauge track?

Just seen that video about the new Piccadilly Line trains being built in Goole and, well, surely they're not going to stick going on a hundred Tube trains onto flatbed lorries to truck them down to London

>>2022465
>Odd question: does the London Underground / T+W Metro / etc use standard-gauge track?
yes

>>2022465
https://youtu.be/m-0IKZWCXpo?si=v1WT8CYiJUdKdRnK

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What's weird is, it doesn't look like the Siemens factory in Goole has a proper railhead - Goole itself is within spitting distance of the ECML via Doncaster, but to get there they're going to have to drag newly-built trains towards a glass factory (?!), reverse across three tracks to enter the Goole dock goods loop, and then reverse back again to head towards Doncaster. Which seems, er, inefficient.

There's a big Tesco distribution centre inbetween the two, so with Tesco being 'big on rail' these days you'd think there'd be a little impetus towards sorting out a proper railhead.

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...well, it's tasteful at least.

More like failways

LOL

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Two 158s bumped into each other yesterday evening, and someone has sadly died. I'm going to engage in completely reckless social media-ism and say it's completely the fault of wheelslip caused by leaves on the line.

https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/the-euston-rush-on-its-way-out-as-early-train-boarding-introduced

>While the future of the advertising board remains under review,
'we want money'

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also, Network Rail Eastern have had their bottoms spanked for worsening passenger and freight performance:

https://www.orr.gov.uk/search-news/regulator-calls-network-rail-improve-performance-passengers-across-eastern-region

... I love the image of York station used in the article, though.

>ywn experience the awe of being a kid and seeing the london termini for the first time again
Why even live, bros?

Budget day today. Let's see what happens

>>2023594
It's coming to Euston. Deliberate vagueness on whether that's the entire 11-platform HS2 station or the retarded 6-platform catastrofuck the last bunch of idiots wanted. Not much otherwise besides fares going up of course, but that's always the case (something something RPI, mumble mumble inflation blah blah)

...in fact I wonder if that affects the extra Elizabeth Line trains that TFL had thrust upon them, contingent on Old Oak Common being the London terminus

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also: if you've more money than sense, GWR have, well, this available for pre-purchase https://www.thelondonchristmascompany.com/products/gwr

>>2023594
>>2023641
Commitment to finish the Transpennine Route Upgrade and East-West Rail as well

>>2022883
Close - blocked sand dispensing thingummibobs, apparently.

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American /n/bro here. I know that Phase 1 of HS2 was severely impacted by NIMBYism. I get the sense that English NIMBYism is mostly concentrated in the south of the country. So shouldn't future extensions of HS2 to the north be easier?

>>2024278
where was this taken? i heard a few of them were being stored at warrington arpley

>>2024306
no idea, sorry. nicked the image from twitter

>>2024288
>I get the sense that English NIMBYism is mostly concentrated in the south of the country.
Only because investment and wealth are both concentrated in the south. But yes, the London-Birmingham leg was started first because it was hardest, that was part of the plan. Do the hard, expensive bit while political will was there and then extend when there is a rump there acting as a fait accompli.

> severely impacted by NIMBYism
Less so than half-witted redditfags have convinced themselves, actually. The biggest offender imho was some of the worst-drafted contracts you will ever see. So much was left to be added after the final handshake, you can hardly blame the contractors for crowbarring in every £1,000,000 bat refuge shed that they could.

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>>2024338
Maybe you can clear something else up for me. Wtf went wrong with the Euston HS2 terminus planning process?

>>2024339
'...and here's the plan for the terminus: 11 platforms'
'ok you get 10 and that's that'
'uhhh ok, it can work at a push but doesn't leave much resilience in case something goes sidewa-'
'why would it...? sounds like we need to get the consultants in to investigate'
[time passes]
'ok we're going to part-fund the station by selling real estate space on top'
'but we literally just redesigned the station from 11 to 10 platforms'
'well do it again'
'ok fine, here. revision three'
'wait why does it cost even MORE now'
'because it's now version 3.0 and we now need to strengthen the foundations because of the changes you insisted on'
'this is unacceptable: you are CLEARLY unable to manage costs AT ALL and it's now going to terminate at Old Oak Common instead. we are NOT happy with how you have managed the project'
'ok but there's a huge hole in the-'
'ORDERLY STOP'
[time passes]
'so about Euston' <---- you are here

tldr this is what happens when you pick apart something genuinely, unarguably world-class until the result is a joke of a shuttle between Birmingham and outer-inner London, and thereby presenting the project in the media as a self-evident failure

similar to how twitter brainmelts continue to view nationalisation as some kind of magic 'make the railway work' wand, until it turns out they can no longer blame Big Business CEO Shareholders Capitalism for their train being cancelled because, oops, it's the guys on their team in charge of things

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As someone from the central belt of Scotland, I'm always a bit envious of how good London has it in terms of railways but then I remember that England has cities with hundreds of thousands of people like Northampton and Preston with only a single railway station.

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>>2024278
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I really, really, really hope they find some money from somewhere to properly re-do, refurbish, re-whatever the old Curzon Street building before the current Curzon Street terminus opens. As a proper railway-ish building, too, not a soulless "events space" or whatever.

>>2024342
Why is Crewe the planned terminus for Phase 2 and not Manchester or Liverpool?

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>>2024514
Crewe is a 'through station', where three different mainlines all converge at a single station - which is how Crewe went from a tiny village to a bustling railway-town metropolis, back in the day - and there's room for a few extra platforms to be added alongside the existing infrastructure, so it's an ideal spot for the high-speed track to finish. The plan is for HS2 trains to then carry on along the existing West Coast Main Line up to Scotland, following a few unblocking-the-existing-bottlenecks works along the way.

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>>2024516
Huh, surprisingly smart and sensible.

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>https://www.railmagazine.com/news/2024/11/07/hitachi-rail-s-intercity-battery-trial-shows-better-than-expected-results
>Hitachi Rail's intercity battery trial shows better than expected results
>Hitachi Rail has said that the results from its intercity battery trial are better than expected. The project, which was led by Hitachi Rail and included partners, Angel Trains and TransPennine Express said the project had demonstrated that battery technology could work across the network and could realise its potential as an alternative traction option.
>The trial has been running for several months and has seen a Class 802 TransPennine bi-mode train replacing its diesel engine with a battery power unit. It then had several months of dynamic testing on several routes to understand how effective it could be.
>The results showed significant fuel savings with the train achieving fuel cost savings of up to 50%. Hitachi Rail said that initial projections at the beginning of the trial were 30%. As well as fuel saving benefits, the train also met its journey and performance requirements, as well as exceeding speeds of 75 mph whilst in battery mode.

...I mean, great, but, still, just fucking put up catenary! Just do it!! Fuck!!!

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>>2024380

>live in Leicestershire
>have a mate in Northampton
>journey from my home to theirs is about 45 miles as the crow flies
>journey by train has three changes (Leicester, Nuneaton, Rugby)
>takes ~2 1/2 to 3 hours
>costs ~£25-£30
>same journey by bus has one change and so costs £4, and takes about the same amount of time
>bus between Leicester and Northampton is always crowded, but can't run double deckers because of bridge clearance issues on the route
>Market Harborough-Northampton line closed to passengers in the 60s and to freight in the 80s, and there isn't enough demand to justify the captial costs of reinstating the route
>mfw

The East Midlands is shite if you want to get to any place that isn't London.

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The first 807 went into passenger service today, heading between Liverpool Lime Street and Euston - they're the all-electric 80x trains that complement the bi-move 805s.

If I remember correctly, the way, way, way behind schedule EMR 810s were supposed to be the 806, until some marketing knobhead decided 810 was a bigger number and therefore better. Prat.

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...oh, and the 'Nova 3' carriage sets that Transpennine Express ditched are probably going to be handed over to Chiltern instead.

>>2024640
>Northampton population 249,093
>Leicester population 373,399
Surely cities of that size within such proximity would generate enough traffic to justify a direct rail link. That being said, the coach via the M1 seems like a better alternative than taking local buses even if ticket prices are capped on the latter.

Merseyrail should have an orbital running from the airport to Bootle.

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>>2024724
TPE have really pulled their fingers out these last six months or so. The usual brainmelts are still screeching about their precious fucking LHCS sets but, the proof in the pudding is, er, undeniably tasty, excuse the Partridge-ism.

>1300 more seats a day and trains across the Pennines every 15 minutes: TransPennine Express introduces new December timetable
>https://mediacentre.tpexpress.co.uk/news/1300-more-seats-a-day-and-trains-across-the-pennines-every-15-minutes-transpennine-express-introduces-new-december-timetable

...not bad for a primarily regional rail operator, with the odd intercity route glued on by the DfT.

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noticeable lack of 37s ITT

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What in the almighty blue fuck?

https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/uk/britannic-explorer/
>Britain’s most luxurious train to arrive in 2025
>Arriving in July 2025, Belmond’s Britannic Explorer will offer tours around the British countryside, with a private bedroom suite for the passengers who will embark on three-day trips. The Britannic Explorer will depart from London with a choice of three routes through the natural landscapes of Cornwall, The Lake District, and Wales.
>Gary Franklin, Vice President of Trains and Cruises, Belmond commented: “I am incredibly proud to launch this revolutionary new train, which further enhances Belmond’s global portfolio of market-leading luxury rail experiences. The Britannic Explorer offers something truly unique; an opportunity to discover the rugged Cornish coastline to Snowdonia’s untamed National Park and the vast expanses of the Lake District like never before.
>We are especially delighted to welcome the esteemed Chef Simon Rogan to helm the culinary direction. His vision brings a gastronomic journey that complements the train’s spirit of adventure, celebrating British produce and highlighting the finest local specialties along the route.”
>Luxury accommodation aboard the Britannic Explorer starts from £11,000 based on a double cabin, which includes a 3-night itinerary, excursions, meals, wine, and alcoholic beverages on board.

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You got any tips to sweetensy8nn the cover letter?

>>2025655
There will be thousands of people just like you applying for that job. I'm not saying it's over but it's over