This is the longest-produced train in the world (manufactured for many decades, many more modernized 55 years later) that has since passed on to the legends of railfans and its cult fandom as the unmodified units are phased out in favor of the Stadler FLIRT, Newag Impuls, and Pesa Elf. What does /n/ think of the EMU eternal, the i5-2500K of trains, the venerable EN57 manufactured by Pafawag of Wrocław?
>TEUSZCZThe Polish language makes me feel uncomfortable
>>2016954The destination sign reads "Tłuszcz" which translates to "Fat" and it may or may not be a good descriptor for yourself.
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>>2016952Nice box. But I've got a gut feeling that these will be sweltering in the summer.
>What does /n/ think of the EMU eternal, the i5-2500K of trains, the venerable EN57 manufactured by Pafawag of Wrocław?I rode those 14 years ago. Instead of taking the sleek Pendolino between Warsaw and Krakow (thanks for nothing PKP ticket office, the old women there couldn't speak English) there was another train going south without mandatory reservation. so I ended up on the EN57 in the old livery and it still had the bench style seats. let's say it was an interesting experience as the train even rode on the highspeed line. some days later I took another EN57 to Auschwitz.
>>2016952Doesnt look that long.
>>2016999You anticipated correctly, though they did have heated seats due to the lack of warm summers in the past it took many decades until they were eventually retrofitted, refitted, and rebuilt to feature air condition systems. And even then, they are often limited to select wagons on the modernized variants, nicknamed the "turbocrapper" (derived from the original nickname for the unmodified Pafawag 5B/6B aka EN57/EN71 units, which were known as "crappers"). This nickname stems from initial production models having an issue with air from the brake ducts getting into the toilet, thus spreading the odor across the entire unit (I believe this was rectified by moving the toilet away from the motor car). Though apparently I've been also told that it got the name of "kibel" (toilet/crapper) from the toilet in the center wagon being converted to the technical/breaker room, with operators jokingly saying they were going to the loo (which apparently later became known as "the closet".>>2017057Length refers to how long the train was produced for, not how long the train set is. Though a longer variant was produced, the 4-car EN71 (the first production model of which was also restored to factory conditions, though unlike the EN57-038 in OP nicknamed "grandmother" the so-called "grandfather" has a completely original interior complete with the bench seats. The original glossy yellow-blue color scheme the EN57 came in was apparently inspired by Swedish trains and past pre-war EMU of a similar design already in use. These of course faded with wear and tear, exposure to vandalism and the elements. They were also nicknamed the "yolks" for this reason. >>2017001>the old women there couldn't speak EnglishAh, those were the days. Quite frankly I'd be surprised if they could even speak Polish these days.
>>2017057The EN57 is around 64ish meters long, around 21-22 meters for the Ra and Rb wagons whilst the "s" engine wagon comes in a little shorter at around closer to 20 meters I think. Though I always thought the design was rather close to the American metro rolling stock (such as the Chicago "L" trains) they are actually quite long per wagon when viewed from the side. Interestingly enough, they actually did plan for the first generation models to have doors at the front similar to the Chicago "L" rolling stock, hence the conspicuous window shape and division between the driver cabin that some of you may have noticed. You can see this better on the black and white blueprints/technical diagrams. They look even more similar to those railcars there, given the neutral color scheme. The trains bearing this more minimalist color scheme (such as KD's "Endolino" unit) can actually look pretty modern and retro-futurist almost similar to the 1960s concept art for the L rolling stock.
>>2017067I see what you mean with the resemblance to older "L" rolling stock. Modern day CTA rolling stock is quite atypical for american metros. When I think American metro rolling stock I think of either the WMATA/BART/MARTA style trains, Miami/LA/Baltimore trains, or PATH/MTA/MBTA/SEPTA.
>>2017067There's something about the nature of boxy, infinitely scalable wagons with doors at the front, the sturdy looking square pantographs, manually operable sliding doors, corrugated exteriors, and round headlamps that just does it for me. The configuration just looks practical, compatible with poorly maintained track infrastructure, easy and cheap to manufacture, and basically does not age.And it's not even a case of retro-nostalgia, these trains can look surprisingly futuristic when they get a modern, minimalist looking coat of paint or when they are simply refurbished to factory settings. Pic related looks like it would fit straight into Mirror's Edge.
>>2016952>Stadler FLIRTi kinda hate that one, the dutch sprinter version feels too confined compared to the wide open metro. probably the urban ones are always over capacity, it leaves very little standing room. i'm sure it's nicer in the countryside though
>>2017189metro for comparison
>>2016952>This is the longest-produced train in the worldi think that depends on how you define a classthere were many changes made over the production period that in other countries would have been enough to make a new class
>>2017181Switch the couplers and this could easily be a Japanese suburban commuter train.
>>2017181>>2017085>tfw born too late to properly appreciate and take the time to enjoy the era of boxy trains and rugged rundown stations both local and mainline before the introduction of all these squeaky fancypants organic design and architecture in the new EMUs and stations with their infantile sound design, graphics, and announcements.I craved the smell and look of the old North/Clybourn, Wilson, Lawrence, Quincy, and Warszawa Zachodnia, Wrocław Główny stations before the rennovations. Dirty and dangerous? Yes. But also alive. Despite the obvious improvements in comfort and utility, riding the rails an experience is far from what once was unless you are in Czechia in which case the railbuses kept the local lines alive.What also fucking hurts - the new rolling stock on the L is a fiberglass abomination that looks like a toy compared to the sleek, metallic yet functional American style people knew and loved, and shit like the Impuls/Elf/Flirt just look like Chinese SciFi knockoffs for trains.>>2017189I love how quiet they made it on the KM trains, but good fucking god is finding the bike/toilet wagon annoying on top of its janky mounting and low amount of space for them even compared to the bike cars on the Kibel. I know that it might not be consistent either for the latter but still. Like you hurry to find the wagon with the toilet/bikerack and its just the toilet in a confined space impossible to squeeze through or its not the end wagon of the trainset.
>>2016952>this came out around the same time as Shinkansen bullet trainsKind of funny to think about, ignoring the obvious differences in rail networks, economies, and their needs. >>2017181On the topic of retrofuturist minimalism, the original TGV (which incidentally made a visit to Poland next to the crappers, resulting in an even funnier juxtaposition) also has a high-speed rail aesthetic to it that just seems lost on modern rolling stock. It still looked like a train in the traditional sense, but with a jet aircraft/sports car aesthetic as well. Pendolino has nothing on this beauty (no wonder the Poles were gushing over the TGV whilst they were stuck in the gutter making due with their crappers). Could just as easily see this train in ME as the long-distance HSR option to the EN57 commuter/suburban/second class option for the lesser maintained, difficult tracks (which this thing was apparently really good for).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqz-537CeuUSeeing this thing on Polish railways is equally surreal as it was awe-inspiring for the impoverished railfans of the land.
>>2017001>oswiecimThis is literall Auschwitz. Why do you even use that name.
>>2017707>This is literall Auschwitz.Yes. That's what the Germans call it.>Why do you even use that name.It's almost like Oświęcim is what the town is called and Polish people live there.
>>2017215>I craved the smell and look of the old North/Clybourn, Wilson, Lawrence, Quincy, and Warszawa Zachodnia, Wrocław Główny stations before the rennovations. Dirty and dangerous? Yes. But also alive.same everywhere m8, it's happening all over, the soul is being removed from pretty much everything i love also.
>>2017001>>2017707https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmD4xGtU28o
>>2016952Based crappers, are based.>lots of space>tyq tyqSovl.
>>2016952I box with wheel isn't really "technology" but other than world market forces stagnating near commie flatness, sell me on this hunk of shit.
>>2016952KIBELIBEL
>>2018430>sell me on this hunk of shiYou can store your skiing kit on these wall-mounted stands when you head for the mountains.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfGENt6Lx2g&t=370It also sounds cool when rolling on the track compared to the other trains. It sounds like a train. The doors which use compressed air will also yell at you if they don't get pumped up first, after which they will sound like the doors in SCP: Containment Breach. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Q0YCUp0vIIf they ever get jammed or don't open, you can also open them manually with your bare hands. These trains are also an ideal pass time for teenagers and young adults who like trains to learn how to have fun with trains.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkAHspc0D40 Likewise, they also have blinking lights installed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl8_FWaD5kYAnd the klaxon sound is also epic as seen multiple times in these videos.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS7tI99AeNQ&t=76https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7KehT27C1U
>>2016952I wonder what a diesel-electric version of this trainset woudl look like, how different the engine car would look.
>look inside "crapper" train>it has crapperswhy is this not standard-issue on all commuter rail trains?
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>>2016952What's up with one of the electric things being retracted
>>2023938You don't need both pantographs up at once
>>2024129Then why do you need two pantographs?
>>2016952>This is the longest-produced train in the worldDoesn't look all that long to me
>>2024158longest as in produced for the longest amount of time
