December 2024 will see the launch of the first direct train serving Paris and Berlin in decades, which will use DB's ICE3 sets.Paris-Est 09:55 - Berlin Hbf 18:03Berlin Hbf 11:54 - Paris-Est 19:55...so around eight hours in total, calling at Strasbourg, Karlsruhe and Frankfurt. Prices will be €59 in second class, and €69 in first class.
I think there already a night train
Huh???? I don't understand what this has to do with "walkable" real estate developments in Houston and Kansas City?
>>2019794From what I've seen the Nightjets are booked out very quickly, so getting some more capacity on a direct connection might pay off.I still think that for that distance and travel time the ICE will have a tough time competing with just taking the plane.
>...so around eight hours in totalDoes it take account of the absolute state of the lines on the German side or are they being optimistic about it?
>>2019848*Gallic shrug*
>>2019794doesn't run currently until the end of October due to construction works. and when it runs it's only every other day and not daily.speaking of sleeper trains the arrival in Paris is too late to catch the French night train going to the riviera. one should be able to catch the sleeper train to Latour-de-Carol, making Berlin - Barcelona possible in 26 hours for the train autists out there. yeah flying is cheaper and faster, I get it.>>2019849the direct non-stop trains Berlin Hbf to Frankfurt Hbf are quicker, so some padding is included besides the train saving time by serving Frankfurt Süd instead of the main station and not having to go through the bottleneck of Mannheim.
>>2019739>berlin hbf to warschau wst/hbt/est exists for ages>berlin hbf to paris est does notwtf
> 8 hoursAt this point it's better to move capital city to Frankfurt.
>>2019875*Bonn
>>2019739>around eight hours in totalAbout 45 minutes faster than current, with the savings appearing to be from avoiding the worst of Frankfurt, Mannheim and Leipzig.
>>2019887Agreed, Berlin is a slavshit city in name and character anyway like most things beyond the Elbe so not much of value would be lost in that sinking marshland
Db running ICE trains. Yes, can't forsee any problems here
>Weirdly goes around Belgium...this is a war trauma, isn't it?
>>2022789Brussels is already served by a Berlin train (well, change at Köln), whereas this route serves several major German cities enroute to Berlin.
>>2022798It's not very direct for Paris-Berlin direct route now is it?
>>2022800you don't need to leave your seat while travelling from paris to berlin and vice versa, which you couldn't do before. if you're going to start thumping the dictionary and angrily spinning a globe, fuck off.
>>2019739Man, this is why i prefer the french way of building HSLs. So many obligatory and unecessary stops on the german side.Its better to make HSLs go around cities, with branches leading into it, so you dont have to stop there but can make varying services that could stop at said city, hell Paris and Lyon are prefect examples of this.Imagine a direct line between the two cities, fully highspeed, it'd take half the time.
I cant wait to see a load of Wehrmacht soldiers disembark at Paris from the fist train. Imagine the lulz.
>>2022832But isn't this due to the fact that France is more centralized in general? Population of Paris metro area is 13 Mio, which is 20% of all French.Greater Berlin area is 4.6 Mio equal to only 5% of all Germans If we talk about value added to GDP it's even worse lol
>>2022800I don't think it's longer via Strasburg than via Lille and Brussels. Question would be which route has more HSR, but I dare say taking the french 300 kph HSR to Strasburg and then the German upgraded lines is probably better.Berlin-Brussels is about 7.30h, Brussels-Paris is 1.30 so ca 9h total, maybe 8.30 if you established a direct train.This train otoh takes just over 8 hours, I don't think you could beat that via Brussels.
>>2019887>>2020001Better, Split Germany into North & South Germany.
>>2019739Who tf can afford to spend 8 hours in the train for such a trivial trip? Not pratical for workers wo will continue taking the plane as to not waste an entire day, not practical for people who visit over the weekend or even a 4-5 days vacations as that would mean spending half your vacation in the train, so who?Is it only for exchange students who make the journey twice a year for the months long university holidays?Night trains are great because you're traveling during downtime and can somewhat relax during the travel, 8 hours during the day is just wasted time and then it takes an additional day to recover from the extreme discomfort of spending so much time in a shitty train.
>800km>8hrsGerman efficiency everybody
>>2023411Centralization is not the point but how the HSR is builtThe french way consist of having long, uninterrupted segments between important cities, and should any cities along the way desires a stop either an exit is made or a new station is created, meaning there can be direct, high speed services while still having routes that stop along the way. (Ofc for france it started from Paris but new routes does not while still following the same principles)The german way consist of small segments of HSL spawning here and there between cities or simply upgraded IC lines, meaning even if you make direct services (ie the current one to berlin) the route isnt fully High speed with the added negative of having many bottlenecks created along the paths where HSL and regular IC lines intersect. Throw in a lack of maintenance and you get Delays galore and all of the problems DB is currently Facing.
>>2019849>2 hours in France, 6 in GermanyFucking DB
By "direct" do you mean there's no stops? That's a long ass way to go with no stops.Or do you just mean you never have to change trains?
>>2019739>Prices will be €59 in second class, and €69 in first class.Lol, lmao even
>>2029077The latter, you can see in OPs pic that there's stops in Frankfurt, Karlsruhe and Strasbourg
>>2027069And give the south to the Jews so the Middle East can finally know peace.It’s time for the krauts to put some Deutschmarks where their Staatsräson is.
>>2019739Kek from one muzzie infested city to a nigger infested city in 8 hours.And yes i've been to both citys and they are fucking shit. The architecture in paris is great but the nogs and gypsies are unbearable. Chink tourists standing in line to buy at some 'luxury' boutiques made me piss my pants laughing tho.Berlin is just shit, it smells like piss everywhere, junkies, filth and every street and sidewalk is damaged.And the worst demographic are those hippie type snobs that love the mumbo jumbo of a big city and dont see any problem living like that.Honestly, if you plan to visit either city, dont. Get to the countryside, bretagne, the swabian alps or something like that.
>>2028914That's more to do with there being more distance to cover and more stops than the absolute state of DB.
>>2029235It's more the state of the network.The most interesting choice is bypassing Mannheim, which might be the first time a scheduled passenger train does this ever. As such, the high speed line from Stuttgart (280 km/h) and the Riedbahn from Frankfurt (200 km/h as soon as ETCS works) feed directly into Mannheim. While the bypass via Schwetzingen, Friedrichsfeld, Weinheim and Darmstadt is only built to 160 km/h and most of those towns have stations that have passing trains slow down to 80 km/h.It might even be faster to use the fast lines and roll past Mannheim's platforms at 60 km/h, but then you might as well stop.
>>2029227>Get to the countryside, bretagnePlease go to paris instead
