December 2024 will see the launch of the first direct train serving Paris and Berlin in decades, which will use DB's ICE3 sets.Paris-Est 09:55 - Berlin Hbf 18:03Berlin Hbf 11:54 - Paris-Est 19:55...so around eight hours in total, calling at Strasbourg, Karlsruhe and Frankfurt. Prices will be €59 in second class, and €69 in first class.
I think there already a night train
Huh???? I don't understand what this has to do with "walkable" real estate developments in Houston and Kansas City?
>>2019794From what I've seen the Nightjets are booked out very quickly, so getting some more capacity on a direct connection might pay off.I still think that for that distance and travel time the ICE will have a tough time competing with just taking the plane.
>...so around eight hours in totalDoes it take account of the absolute state of the lines on the German side or are they being optimistic about it?
>>2019848*Gallic shrug*
>>2019794doesn't run currently until the end of October due to construction works. and when it runs it's only every other day and not daily.speaking of sleeper trains the arrival in Paris is too late to catch the French night train going to the riviera. one should be able to catch the sleeper train to Latour-de-Carol, making Berlin - Barcelona possible in 26 hours for the train autists out there. yeah flying is cheaper and faster, I get it.>>2019849the direct non-stop trains Berlin Hbf to Frankfurt Hbf are quicker, so some padding is included besides the train saving time by serving Frankfurt Süd instead of the main station and not having to go through the bottleneck of Mannheim.
>>2019739>berlin hbf to warschau wst/hbt/est exists for ages>berlin hbf to paris est does notwtf
> 8 hoursAt this point it's better to move capital city to Frankfurt.
>>2019875*Bonn
>>2019739>around eight hours in totalAbout 45 minutes faster than current, with the savings appearing to be from avoiding the worst of Frankfurt, Mannheim and Leipzig.
>>2019887Agreed, Berlin is a slavshit city in name and character anyway like most things beyond the Elbe so not much of value would be lost in that sinking marshland
Db running ICE trains. Yes, can't forsee any problems here
>Weirdly goes around Belgium...this is a war trauma, isn't it?
>>2022789Brussels is already served by a Berlin train (well, change at Köln), whereas this route serves several major German cities enroute to Berlin.
>>2022798It's not very direct for Paris-Berlin direct route now is it?
>>2022800you don't need to leave your seat while travelling from paris to berlin and vice versa, which you couldn't do before. if you're going to start thumping the dictionary and angrily spinning a globe, fuck off.
>>2019739Man, this is why i prefer the french way of building HSLs. So many obligatory and unecessary stops on the german side.Its better to make HSLs go around cities, with branches leading into it, so you dont have to stop there but can make varying services that could stop at said city, hell Paris and Lyon are prefect examples of this.Imagine a direct line between the two cities, fully highspeed, it'd take half the time.
I cant wait to see a load of Wehrmacht soldiers disembark at Paris from the fist train. Imagine the lulz.
>>2022832But isn't this due to the fact that France is more centralized in general? Population of Paris metro area is 13 Mio, which is 20% of all French.Greater Berlin area is 4.6 Mio equal to only 5% of all Germans If we talk about value added to GDP it's even worse lol
>>2022800I don't think it's longer via Strasburg than via Lille and Brussels. Question would be which route has more HSR, but I dare say taking the french 300 kph HSR to Strasburg and then the German upgraded lines is probably better.Berlin-Brussels is about 7.30h, Brussels-Paris is 1.30 so ca 9h total, maybe 8.30 if you established a direct train.This train otoh takes just over 8 hours, I don't think you could beat that via Brussels.
