Bespoke geometry is still expensive. That would be a game changer. It's not that you can't shop around for the geometry you want in a prebuilt, but you can't really shop by other features because chances are the frame you wanted comes with a bunch of random choices you didn't want.

>>2020833
>internal routed everything,
this isn't an improvement lol
>What else is there to improve?
I could just about see cheaper, better, more widespread planetary gearbox options. Ditto belt drive. Maybe more sophisticated leaf spring setups and flex points jnstead of pivots. arguably more durable carbon. Maybe more/better/cheaper dynamo hubs.

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>>2020838
It sounds bad until you've lived with it for a while and then had to use a legacy style external cables bike. You think you're ready but the sight of all that disorganized clutter flapping in the wind immediately feels barbaric not to mention how it catches on everything. It's like going from bib shorts to baggy cargo shorts, except cargo shorts are actually useful whereas cables everywhere don't serve any useful purpose other than to make a few simple maintenance tasks simpler for simpletons.

>>2020833
"Affordable". IMO they still got long ways to go. We also still have aero vs lightweight bikes. They should be lightweight and aero. The bikes also most get more durable. Wireless shifting still requires cables btw. We need to go completely wireless. Wireless brakes are also possible. We also need aero, cheap and protective clothes. The limit is your imagination.

>>2020833
A proper, standardized dynamo that can power not only lights but also garmins, smartphone charger and electronic shifters.

Di2 is great, but I don’t need another battery to charge

>>2020852
Thing is a battery is swappable without hitting up Sotheby's Rare Books for an out of print book and apprenticing for 7 years under Jobst Brandt's reanimated zombie before rebuilding your wheelset if something goes bad, I can see the appeal if lighting is optional though but what they really need to do is a hot swappable dyno hub thing, a sort of "cartridge bearing of dynamos" if you will

>>2020843
brb catch cans for DOT fluid in my garage so I can adjust stack height, git tae fuck

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>>2020858
>why don't I just pay more for something worse and make it turn my neighborhood into a superfund site every time I need to install new brake pads
it's a free country but you know shimano exists right/

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>>2020843
I know you're just shitposting but the visible machinations of a bicycle, how it bears its workings on the surface, is one of its greatest charms, it is an honest machine.

much of this is lost in translation with hydraulic hoses and electronic shifting cables, because those things are not visible in operation and do not have an interesting journey across a frame with housing stops.
The need to hide 'clutter' is a sign of poor quality. You will see this in all forms of construction. A well made house will have less flushings and mouldings because there is care paid to the joins of materials.

>>2020852
The problem is that the psychological effect of losing 5-10w and ~200g is abhorrent to most people buying expensive road bikes, so it's never going to catch on.

And how exactly are modern dynamo hubs not standardized or proper enough? You can absolutely power other electronics with them. The setup is simply not idiot proof, and the differences amongst them exist because there are different standards they have to work around. But bikes in general are not idiot proof to setup, and less so now than before.
You aren't required to do it jankily though, there's just scope for excellent custom work. Many frames/forks nowadays are even designed for clean dynamo routing

>>2020833
AXS batteries with usb-c
improved shifting modes
Classified hubs not just simulating a second chainring

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>>2020833
The real challenge lies in the industry digesting all of this stuff into better, more elegant and more reliable forms. Most cons00mers don't really notice or care about below-surface quality or simplicity so I'm not terribly hopeful it'll happen. We'll never get back to the kind of universality of standards we had in the 80's, but even moving a little bit that way would benefit the rider unfathomably.

Who knows what's around the corner though. Until the mountain bike boom and shimano takeover shook everything up, improvements had been scattered and relatively unexciting for decades. Especially in the U.S., if you were seriously riding in the 60's or 70's, it probably felt like, "now everyone has derailleurs, what else is there to come up with?!"

>>2020865
What's the story with this new-old looking stumpy, pretty cool

>>2020871
>Classified hubs not just simulating a second chainring
wdym? you'd put a classified on a 2x?

>>2020836
This, peak bike would be affordable custom geometry for every person for their unique purpose and biology.

>>2020866
I just think dynamo hubs are fugly. I hated powertap hubs too.

>>2020865
ai slop

>>2020913
with vistar powershift they did with trp they created a 1x system that has 15 gears on a 12 speed cassette. A normal 2x or a simulated second chainring has several similar gear ratios. Considering theyre developing this with TRP I'm not sure if we're seeing more of it in the future tho.

>>2020833
now the race is to the bottom
all that, more affordable

>>2020925
what's the point of that?

>>2020944
you can achieve mullet range with smaller cassette, smaller tooth jumps and more gears

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>>2020833
Low rr airless tires
Still waiting for these

>>2020924
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>>2020949
>Still waiting for these
just 2 more weeks anon
we'll have airless spring tires just like the lunar rover
just 2 more weeks

I'm still looking forward to better-sealed, lower-friction hubs and bottom brackets.
It's silly that we are still using 100 year old bearing technology for the most part and the approach to poorly designed seals is just "uhhh replace your bearings/BB every two years or so".
And for that matter, fuck spokes too. Surely there is something better than spokes.

3lb motor that connects directly to cassette and is used as a boost to get back up to speed after stopping without shifting 783 times

analogue 'gear' shifting or gradient shifting
so your always getting precise power output

coupled with AI powered shifting computer that factors things like wind and preferential presets

tada, perfect cadence, all the time.

also airless tires are an indefinite gimmick.

>>2021097
>analogue 'gear' shifting or gradient shifting
like a car CVT?

>>2021100
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>>2021118
>>2021097
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Oops lol phone posting at work on the toilet

>>2021097
>shifting 783 times
you accidentally hit a bunch of keys instead of the "3" key

>>2021100
I don't know what his retarded pic is but yeah, they have it already . go ahead and get one , it's only six pounds
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NuVinci_continuously_variable_transmission

>>2021097
>Airless tires are a gimmick (true) but an "AI powered shifting computer" is not

Whatever you say chief

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13 speeds is more than enough, the industry needs to focus on something new. I want a gruppo that turns me into a girl cyclist.

>>2021232

if you think about it, the energy problem gears creates is beyond our bodily comprehension. there's an exact cadence for each gear to maximize power output, but even the highest skilled professionals with the best gear are going to miss that cadence target, either overshooting or underpowering by some %, those % add up to three things:
loss of speed
loss of energy
over-exertion on joints

I know it might sound like a detail or miniscule thing, if you had but one day to try the non-existent gradient 'transmission' bicycle, you'd probably cry. computerized shifting would be the last step in making gradient shifting work flawlessly, and AI to take in environmental and preferential data to create a truly seamless experience, but it can still be manual.

All of this stuff is inevitable, because there's literally no better solution to "digital" (as opposed to gradient or analogue) gear associated energy loss. it's just a matter of designing it, it'll sell itself.

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Bikes are good enough, but carbon manufacturing quality is inconsistent in the industry. High quality frames should be expected to last decades of high mileage hard riding even for heavier riders. But more so than QA I think improvements to training are the best place to look at. I think the likes of Zwift have been a massive success and I’m eager to get an indoor setup of some sort going to help improve my IRL riding ability. Better tech and coaching aids out on the road could also factor in.

>>2021485
>High quality frames should be expected to last decades of high mileage hard riding even for heavier riders.
Quality aside (a more significant issue, yes) that means erring on the side of caution and overbuilding stuff.
there's a real charm to a bike which is dangerously light, people have always been attracted to those.
Hell pretty much any nice light metal bike dents the top tube when you look at it wrong.

>>2021486
The gaspipe crowd will never get this, they think their overbuilt BSO is the same thing as reynolds 853

>inertial guidance
>aerogel frame
>solid aerogel wheel
>reverse thruster braking
>cable shifting as God intended
>straight up mall crawler offroad light bars for fenders
>0X rings replace 1X

titanium everything, you can already see it coming down in price
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/state-s-titanium-all-road-is-the-cycling-treat-we-ve-been-waiting-for-priced-at-2500-240511.html

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I don't like now. I do not look towards the future. Bring back 531, rim brakes, quill stems and 27 1/4"

>>2020865
>the visible machinations of a bicycle, how it bears its workings on the surface, is one of its greatest charms, it is an honest machine.
That's a very nice turn of phrase Anon.

>>2020833
1. Better manufacturing tolerances. Right now the tolerances for even multi-thousand dollar frames are hilariously off-center.
2. Reducing the # of gears and shrinking the sprocket in the back for greater aero/wheel efficiency, reducing offset of spoke dish.
3. Better bearing setups (roller bearings everywhere to fuck up compatibility even more)
4. Aerodynamic frames and smaller motorized derailleur battery packs, thanks to solid-state-batteries
5. Thinner hubs
6. Universal thru-axle (like SRAM's UDH, but some kind of interchangeability for thru-axles would be good).
7. Scanned saddles that will adjust the 3D print to match your sit-bones as you sit bare-ass in the back of the bike shop while the machine takes a 3D Scan of your ass.

Also, I know that never, ever, will we see more reliability. I finished a charity ride. Every hill, I saw several broken down bikes. Snapped chains, flats, dropped chains, countless other failures. Do people just not maintain their shit, or what?
I swear it wasn't this bad before.

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We all know what the next step in cycling looks like. You might not like it, but this is peak performance.

>>2022227
Dental floss chains. Just wait until we get to 18 speed systems with giga boost spacing

>>2022476
Indeed. Soon we'll get to change chains more than we change our underwear

>>2020851
Wireless brakes are 100% possible to be sold affordably if shifters are, the barrier is safety legislation (rightfully so)

>>2020833
>GPS
Still expensive or unusable. Anything with a decent battery life and somewhat bearable navigation costs a lot.
>Carbon frames
Are still expensive and shit. Instead of making it indestructible they make it disposable. But they are 10gr lighter! Wow!
>Wireless shifting
Absolutely useless.

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>>2020833
>Wide range cassettes used to be unimaginable
the ooga booga leg strong types did not need them, therefore none were made.

>>2022749
Carbon frames are cheaper than steel frames these days unless you're just talking gaspipe which you are, but I'm just saying in general, for bikes that people would voluntarily ride if they weren't DUI freaks on "abandoned bike" frankenbuilds

>>2020833
Bicycles haven't changed in 50 years pretty much because they reached perfection. It's the ultimate transportation vehicle