GPS used to be fancy, and is now affordableCarbon frames used to be fancy, and are now affordableCarbon aero wheels used to be fancy, and are now affordableHydraulic brakes used to be fancy, and are now affordableWireless shifting used to be fancy, and is now affordableGood tires used to not even exist, and are now available albeit a little expensiveLighting used to be heavy and annoying, now it clips to anything and you can light up the road with something the size of your thumbWide range cassettes used to be unimaginable, now some lazy people are even going 1x because they got filtered by 2x It seems like it's all been done. Seriously, what's left. What else is there to improve? We even got bonuses like thru-axle, 3d printed saddles, internal routed everything, and aero frames/cockpits, which let's be honest, you weren't really expecting were you?Can the cycling industry outdo itself or is it now a plateau of stagnation?
Bespoke geometry is still expensive. That would be a game changer. It's not that you can't shop around for the geometry you want in a prebuilt, but you can't really shop by other features because chances are the frame you wanted comes with a bunch of random choices you didn't want.
>>2020833>internal routed everything,this isn't an improvement lol>What else is there to improve?I could just about see cheaper, better, more widespread planetary gearbox options. Ditto belt drive. Maybe more sophisticated leaf spring setups and flex points jnstead of pivots. arguably more durable carbon. Maybe more/better/cheaper dynamo hubs.
>>2020838It sounds bad until you've lived with it for a while and then had to use a legacy style external cables bike. You think you're ready but the sight of all that disorganized clutter flapping in the wind immediately feels barbaric not to mention how it catches on everything. It's like going from bib shorts to baggy cargo shorts, except cargo shorts are actually useful whereas cables everywhere don't serve any useful purpose other than to make a few simple maintenance tasks simpler for simpletons.
>>2020833"Affordable". IMO they still got long ways to go. We also still have aero vs lightweight bikes. They should be lightweight and aero. The bikes also most get more durable. Wireless shifting still requires cables btw. We need to go completely wireless. Wireless brakes are also possible. We also need aero, cheap and protective clothes. The limit is your imagination.
>>2020833A proper, standardized dynamo that can power not only lights but also garmins, smartphone charger and electronic shifters.Di2 is great, but I don’t need another battery to charge
>>2020852Thing is a battery is swappable without hitting up Sotheby's Rare Books for an out of print book and apprenticing for 7 years under Jobst Brandt's reanimated zombie before rebuilding your wheelset if something goes bad, I can see the appeal if lighting is optional though but what they really need to do is a hot swappable dyno hub thing, a sort of "cartridge bearing of dynamos" if you will
>>2020843brb catch cans for DOT fluid in my garage so I can adjust stack height, git tae fuck
>>2020858>why don't I just pay more for something worse and make it turn my neighborhood into a superfund site every time I need to install new brake padsit's a free country but you know shimano exists right/
>>2020843I know you're just shitposting but the visible machinations of a bicycle, how it bears its workings on the surface, is one of its greatest charms, it is an honest machine. much of this is lost in translation with hydraulic hoses and electronic shifting cables, because those things are not visible in operation and do not have an interesting journey across a frame with housing stops.The need to hide 'clutter' is a sign of poor quality. You will see this in all forms of construction. A well made house will have less flushings and mouldings because there is care paid to the joins of materials.
>>2020852The problem is that the psychological effect of losing 5-10w and ~200g is abhorrent to most people buying expensive road bikes, so it's never going to catch on. And how exactly are modern dynamo hubs not standardized or proper enough? You can absolutely power other electronics with them. The setup is simply not idiot proof, and the differences amongst them exist because there are different standards they have to work around. But bikes in general are not idiot proof to setup, and less so now than before. You aren't required to do it jankily though, there's just scope for excellent custom work. Many frames/forks nowadays are even designed for clean dynamo routing
>>2020833AXS batteries with usb-cimproved shifting modesClassified hubs not just simulating a second chainring
>>2020833The real challenge lies in the industry digesting all of this stuff into better, more elegant and more reliable forms. Most cons00mers don't really notice or care about below-surface quality or simplicity so I'm not terribly hopeful it'll happen. We'll never get back to the kind of universality of standards we had in the 80's, but even moving a little bit that way would benefit the rider unfathomably.Who knows what's around the corner though. Until the mountain bike boom and shimano takeover shook everything up, improvements had been scattered and relatively unexciting for decades. Especially in the U.S., if you were seriously riding in the 60's or 70's, it probably felt like, "now everyone has derailleurs, what else is there to come up with?!">>2020865What's the story with this new-old looking stumpy, pretty cool
>>2020871>Classified hubs not just simulating a second chainringwdym? you'd put a classified on a 2x?
>>2020836This, peak bike would be affordable custom geometry for every person for their unique purpose and biology.
>>2020866I just think dynamo hubs are fugly. I hated powertap hubs too.
>>2020865ai slop
>>2020913with vistar powershift they did with trp they created a 1x system that has 15 gears on a 12 speed cassette. A normal 2x or a simulated second chainring has several similar gear ratios. Considering theyre developing this with TRP I'm not sure if we're seeing more of it in the future tho.
>>2020833now the race is to the bottomall that, more affordable
>>2020925what's the point of that?
>>2020944you can achieve mullet range with smaller cassette, smaller tooth jumps and more gears
>>2020833Low rr airless tiresStill waiting for these
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>>2020949>Still waiting for thesejust 2 more weeks anonwe'll have airless spring tires just like the lunar roverjust 2 more weeks
I'm still looking forward to better-sealed, lower-friction hubs and bottom brackets. It's silly that we are still using 100 year old bearing technology for the most part and the approach to poorly designed seals is just "uhhh replace your bearings/BB every two years or so".And for that matter, fuck spokes too. Surely there is something better than spokes.
3lb motor that connects directly to cassette and is used as a boost to get back up to speed after stopping without shifting 783 timesanalogue 'gear' shifting or gradient shifting so your always getting precise power outputcoupled with AI powered shifting computer that factors things like wind and preferential presetstada, perfect cadence, all the time.also airless tires are an indefinite gimmick.
>>2021097>analogue 'gear' shifting or gradient shiftinglike a car CVT?
>>2021100>>2021097
>>2021118>>2021097>>2021100Oops lol phone posting at work on the toilet
>>2021097>shifting 783 timesyou accidentally hit a bunch of keys instead of the "3" key
>>2021100I don't know what his retarded pic is but yeah, they have it already . go ahead and get one , it's only six pounds https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NuVinci_continuously_variable_transmission
>>2021097>Airless tires are a gimmick (true) but an "AI powered shifting computer" is notWhatever you say chief
13 speeds is more than enough, the industry needs to focus on something new. I want a gruppo that turns me into a girl cyclist.
>>2021232if you think about it, the energy problem gears creates is beyond our bodily comprehension. there's an exact cadence for each gear to maximize power output, but even the highest skilled professionals with the best gear are going to miss that cadence target, either overshooting or underpowering by some %, those % add up to three things:loss of speedloss of energyover-exertion on jointsI know it might sound like a detail or miniscule thing, if you had but one day to try the non-existent gradient 'transmission' bicycle, you'd probably cry. computerized shifting would be the last step in making gradient shifting work flawlessly, and AI to take in environmental and preferential data to create a truly seamless experience, but it can still be manual.All of this stuff is inevitable, because there's literally no better solution to "digital" (as opposed to gradient or analogue) gear associated energy loss. it's just a matter of designing it, it'll sell itself.
Bikes are good enough, but carbon manufacturing quality is inconsistent in the industry. High quality frames should be expected to last decades of high mileage hard riding even for heavier riders. But more so than QA I think improvements to training are the best place to look at. I think the likes of Zwift have been a massive success and I’m eager to get an indoor setup of some sort going to help improve my IRL riding ability. Better tech and coaching aids out on the road could also factor in.
>>2021485>High quality frames should be expected to last decades of high mileage hard riding even for heavier riders.Quality aside (a more significant issue, yes) that means erring on the side of caution and overbuilding stuff. there's a real charm to a bike which is dangerously light, people have always been attracted to those. Hell pretty much any nice light metal bike dents the top tube when you look at it wrong.
>>2021486The gaspipe crowd will never get this, they think their overbuilt BSO is the same thing as reynolds 853
>inertial guidance>aerogel frame>solid aerogel wheel>reverse thruster braking>cable shifting as God intended>straight up mall crawler offroad light bars for fenders>0X rings replace 1X
titanium everything, you can already see it coming down in pricehttps://www.autoevolution.com/news/state-s-titanium-all-road-is-the-cycling-treat-we-ve-been-waiting-for-priced-at-2500-240511.html
I don't like now. I do not look towards the future. Bring back 531, rim brakes, quill stems and 27 1/4"
>>2020865>the visible machinations of a bicycle, how it bears its workings on the surface, is one of its greatest charms, it is an honest machine.That's a very nice turn of phrase Anon.
>>20208331. Better manufacturing tolerances. Right now the tolerances for even multi-thousand dollar frames are hilariously off-center.2. Reducing the # of gears and shrinking the sprocket in the back for greater aero/wheel efficiency, reducing offset of spoke dish.3. Better bearing setups (roller bearings everywhere to fuck up compatibility even more)4. Aerodynamic frames and smaller motorized derailleur battery packs, thanks to solid-state-batteries5. Thinner hubs6. Universal thru-axle (like SRAM's UDH, but some kind of interchangeability for thru-axles would be good).7. Scanned saddles that will adjust the 3D print to match your sit-bones as you sit bare-ass in the back of the bike shop while the machine takes a 3D Scan of your ass.Also, I know that never, ever, will we see more reliability. I finished a charity ride. Every hill, I saw several broken down bikes. Snapped chains, flats, dropped chains, countless other failures. Do people just not maintain their shit, or what?I swear it wasn't this bad before.
We all know what the next step in cycling looks like. You might not like it, but this is peak performance.
>>2022227Dental floss chains. Just wait until we get to 18 speed systems with giga boost spacing
>>2022476Indeed. Soon we'll get to change chains more than we change our underwear
>>2020851Wireless brakes are 100% possible to be sold affordably if shifters are, the barrier is safety legislation (rightfully so)
>>2020833>GPSStill expensive or unusable. Anything with a decent battery life and somewhat bearable navigation costs a lot.>Carbon framesAre still expensive and shit. Instead of making it indestructible they make it disposable. But they are 10gr lighter! Wow!>Wireless shiftingAbsolutely useless.
>>2020833>Wide range cassettes used to be unimaginablethe ooga booga leg strong types did not need them, therefore none were made.
>>2022749Carbon frames are cheaper than steel frames these days unless you're just talking gaspipe which you are, but I'm just saying in general, for bikes that people would voluntarily ride if they weren't DUI freaks on "abandoned bike" frankenbuilds
>>2020833Bicycles haven't changed in 50 years pretty much because they reached perfection. It's the ultimate transportation vehicle
>>2020833>GPS$200 for an Edge 130>Carbon frames>aero wheelsPrices up 50% from 5 years ago just like everything else, chinkshit market share spiking.>Hydraulic brakes>Wireless shiftingNo, you just don't notice the massive price difference anymore because the equivalent rim brake/mechanical bikes were all discontinued.None of that is "affordable", they've just deleted anyone who isn't rich from their customer base so the dwindling number of people who are left don't complain as much.
>>2022767>Carbon frames are cheaper than steel frames these daysBecause carbon is mass market while steel is pretty much confined to boutique custom frames and walmart DUI bikes.
>>2024023If you can't find complete rim brake gruppos on your own just about anywhere that sells bikes and components you should probably give POA to one of your gen X kids because you are no longer able to function in modern society without everyday help
>>2024047This thread is about affordability, seethe-kun. Raging at people won't magically give them the disposable income to blow 3 grand on aluminum 105 mechanical.
>>2024049>unironically paying the NPC taxAluminum™ is a registered trademark of the Specialized™ bike corporation, a fact which you explicitly acknowledged and agreed to when you opened a Specialized™ inner tube in june 2017, you now owe Mike™ Sinyard™ $60,000,000 for typing those words on your Computer™ screen
>>2024049>worth it to btfo the rimchuds.
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>>2024025eh I mean there's maxway tier, but that has plenty of carbon counterparts too>>2024052>this is what they took from you(though that was before the great pandemic inflation, too...)in all srsness been thinking about a Chiner rim build or trying to find a last-gen rim brake TCR
>>2021767Tbh that bikes looks kinda cool. I imagine 50 years from now road bikes will look like this but with elastomer suspension
>>2022227Hubs have been getting wider hombre not narrower
>>2024076Tbqh all bikes should have suspension but the key point here is that you should be able to set it back to 0 suspension with a button and that it should be lightweight. UCI haters say that the 6kg limit should be removed but in reality bikes should be more durable and be able to include stuff like that rather than being just lightweight.
>>2024088>you should be able to set it back to 0 suspension with a buttoneven fairly basic suspension forks have a lockout what you're missing is that a decent rigid fork offers passive suspension. Many of them visibly flex going over bumps. Suspension forks and the frames designed to accommodate them are meant to be as stiff as possible. So a decent rigid fork is far more comfortable than a locked out suspension fork.
