Road signs. What do you think of them? Which country does them the best? Would you change anything in the Vienna Convention on Road Signs and Signals?
>>2022126>Slow children
>>2022126>What do you think of them?That's like asking "what do you think of the metric system" or "what do you think of binary", it's a way to convey information to drivers quicker than writing. I think most are distinct enough that you can recognize without mixing them up.>Which country does them the best?Any following the Vienna conventiondoes fine (because standard is better than perfect), but I would argue to not have writing in the signs, because again, it needs to be quick and easy to know the meaning, and visual information gets processed quicker than writing.>Would you change anything in the Vienna Convention on Road Signs and Signals?No writing allowed, also color blind-friendly traffic sign I guess?
>>2022136Traffic lights I mean.
>>2022126>cross out blue sign means no parkingsome of the European signs are fucking retarded. I also wouldn't know what a bicycle in a red circle would mean. you could argue it means bicycle road.
>>2022142>I also wouldn't know what a bicycle in a red circle would mean.All red outlined cricles are supposed to be prohibitive signs so there's common nomenclature. I agree that a red line across is much more intuitive though.
>>2022136please rephrase this completely reasonable post into something more along the lines of OH NO NO NO NLISSIES OUR RESPONSE??????, it is better for thread engagement
I think bike paths intersecting with car lanes should use standard priority signs as standard intersections
i like the aesthetics of Japanese signs
>>2022671>sliproad loops depicted on the signIt's shit. British road signs mog literally everyone else.
>>2022126I think UK wins. The red outlines are too thick on the NL signs, looks out of balance. USA and Aus have too much writing. The only thing UK fails on is not having a red bar through the bike. Never understood this.
>>2022713As the other anon explained, a red circle will always be prohibitive, so a red bar is superfluous.Pic related is an end of minimum speed sign. The blue background without the red circle indicates an order, so a bar through it means that the order is no longer in effect.
The opposite of the red circle bicycle sign is the one without the red circle and with a blue background, meaning that only bicycles may proceed.
>>2022696HGV driver here, if only diversion signs were this good, or if they were even put in place most of the time
>>2022714>a red circle will always be prohibitiveCircles are generally permissive and the red slash through something is universally understood as "not allowed," so the slash is better
>>2022126mutts, oddly enough.
>>2022788no, too much text, especially for the warning sigsspeaking of warning signs, white or yellow?
>>2022719>Circles are generally permissiveNot the best assumption to make when no entry signs and speed limits are both circular.
>>2022794that's because, if you want to get technical, circular signs are Orders, whereas triAngulAr signs are wArnings. thus, a speed limit sign, like 'no entry' and 'bikes only' is an order, so they're a circle. 'look out for kids' and 'give way' are warning you that unpredictable small humans are around, and that you don't have right of way, respectively.
>>2022792yellow, there is nothing warningy about white
>>2022797>that's because, if you want to get technical, circular signs are OrdersI don't see how this would imply a permissive order (i.e. do X) over a prohibitive order (i.e. don't do X).
>>2022808>a permissive order (i.e. do X)that's because circular signs, per the Highway Code, are mostly prohibitive, not permissive:>https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/traffic-signs#:~:text=Signs%20with%20red%20circles%20are%20mostly%20prohibitive.%20Plates%20below%20signs%20qualify%20their%20message.
For me it's Finnish ones.The yellow color and thick outline especially are appreciated in snowy conditions.
>>2022829>i say that a red circle will always be prohibitive on a post explaining that only a blue circle is permissive>anon says that circles are generally permissive>i bring up examples where this is not the case>you bring up some fact that I had already posted>i ask how your post backs up the other post about how circles are generally permissive>you bring up the red circle example as a counterpoint to that other anon's post, which is what i was originally talking aboutWhy don't you follow the conversation first before replying to it?
>>2022671>japanese signsWoahhhhhhsugoi desu ne。。
>>2022898Why do you assume you're talking to the same person? This isn't a chatroom or IRC channel.
I find it hilarious that Quebec has stop signs that say "ARRET" but stop signs in France say "STOP"what cucks
>>2022946I don't, that's precisely why I differentiate between "anon" and "you" in my previous post.Your posts are also a lot more formulaic than you think, that and your lack of consideration for context leads me to believe that you're a bot.
Having road signs with text is not a good idea imo. Signs like that should have simple symbology so that they can be understood regardless of your language and require no translations.
What were they cooking when they designed Philadelphia's street signs?>6-sided>lists address block numbers in both directions (also was very first city to display block numbers)>puts cardinal designation of street in its own space>has optional space on the bottom to list any additional information (street name changes or no outlet ahead, arterial/route designation, honorary/secondary names, etc)
Japanese, Chinese and similar languages have an advantage because their text comes naturally in a top-to-bottom orientationThis could come in useful if you want to display the street name straight ahead at an intersectionIDK if they actually use it that way
does your country have any rare or unique road signs?
>>2023017I've seen vertical direction signs in Taiwan but I don't think they're utilised in China and Japan. I don't think they'd be particularly useful since you'd know the name of the road when you turn onto it at an intersection.
>>2023041Idk about other cunts but we have hazard signs for every large mammal in the country, including the drawbridge.
>>2023041We're probably the only country where level crossing signs still depict a steam train, since the UK stopped using steam trains in 1968 whereas our current signage design was introduced in 1965.
>>2023053nopehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_European_road_signsHowever UK doesn't have a pedestrian crossing sign apparently?
>>2023041I think the lollipop sign is unique to Poland
>>2023054I'm surprised because a lot of those countries would've stopped using steam by the time those signs were introduced.The page you've linked does show a pedestrian crossing warning sign for the UK, but it's not something I see often, probably because the flashing lights are visible enough.
Anyway height and width restrictions in the UK are always shown in both metric and imperial units. I'm not sure if there's another country that does the same thing.
>>2023058a steam train is just very distinctive and will not be confused with a bus tram or truck
>>2023061Still, the German EMU design looks distinctive enough and wouldn't look out of place in the 60s either.
>>2023049I can't say I've seen anything but the deer before.
>>2023060>4.4m>low
>>2023041we had to start adding "yield" to railroad signs because people couldn't figure out the train doesn't stop for you
>>2023041Do other countries have Amish?
>>2023041>>2023049We have signs that warn drivers they may encounter the metric system
>>2022126They are importantGermanyNo, but in Germany, speed limits should be announced following an unlimited section, like pic related. It would give drivers a better idea of when to brake and also to just let it roll instead of actively braking.
>>2022715Not exactly, the blue circle more specifically says that bicycle have to take that bike path and therefore aren't allowed on the main road. The sign is square if the bike path/lane is optional.
Red triVngle pointed downwards should always be a STOP. No letters needed. What is the greatest STOP sign?
>>2023184You're wrong. I got that image from the highway code traffic signs page itself.>https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/traffic-signs>Route to be used by pedal cycles onlyAll you have to do is remember that blue circle = permissive, red circle = prohibitive.
>>2023223Japanese spotted
>>2023256Yeah, my bad. It does mean what I said this side of the channel, that's what I was confused about.https://www.loirelifecycling.com/french-road-signs-for-cyclists/
>>2023304I suppose the French sign is fundamentally the same as the British sign in the sense that they can both be reduced down to>if you are using this lane, you must use a bicyclebut the French sign adds an extra prohibitive order forbidding you from using the adjacent road.
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>>2022696>>sliproad loops depicted on the sign>It's shitWhat? It's great to know you're on the right lane if you get on a loop. I see 0 drawbacks to this.
>roadsign erected on all of /n/ streets
>>2023518The loop itself is a waste of space on the sign and is simply superfluous information that has to be processed by the driver.If you're talking about lanes, then pic related actually states explicitly what lane you need to be on for your destination, which the Japanese example fails to do.
>>2022126why no round signs in the US? why all those round signs have to be on a rectangular background?
>>2023053>the UK stopped using steam trains in 1968there's a few private heritage lines about, usually quite short
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>>2023570Yes but they're vastly dwarfed by the number of mainline steam trains which is what the signs were pertinent to. I'm sure heritage railways exist in other countries.
>>2023575Pic is a real thing here. People know what a steam train looks like. Modern trains at the pictogram level may as well be a representation of an Amazon delivery van.
>>2023577Mainline referring to its use on the mainline by TOCs rather than the tiny proportion of services on the mainline operated by railtour companies.
>>2022965>having a sign not written in English in a non english-speaking country equals being a cuck Maybe you need to check the definition of "cuck"
>>2022126From this? Definitely USA and Australia.Also, I'm pretty sure the signs in Australia say "Yield" not "Give way">too much writingSo fucking what? They're all still recognisable at a glance even if you can't read at all, and now also self-explanatory. Note the yellow alert signs for bicycles and retarded children, eurobros just slap a triangle with a red border like it's banning children or something.
>>2022884What do all these fucking euro signs with blue and random crosses mean? At least an American or Australian sign writes what it means. Some of them are even retarded enough to write on it anyway, but still don't say what law applies in this "zone". WTF.>>2022988very based >>2023550Actually don't think there are any round signs in Aus either -- speed limit signs are in red circles but they're still put on a white rectangular background
>>2024662>>2024660most retarded arguments ever. it doesn't matter if a prohibitory sgin is red or yellow. you're not supposed to guess. you're supposed to be thaught this at school at 6 years old anyways
>>2024700>hurr durr why should signs be obvious? ur supposed 2 learn them all 10 years before you drive because you are so enthusiastic as a child about serving our glorious communist regime
>>2023273the Greatest Road sign. RED triVangle
>>2022671>road signs, japan
>>2022719No, the vienna convention works like this>White circles with red outline: prohibitive (e.g. speed limits, no parking, no overtaking etc)>Blue circles: commands (e.g. minimum speed limits)>Triangles point upwards: hazards>Triangle point downwards: give way>Octogon: stop>Rectangles: directions and informationStop and give way are distinct shapes to make sure you can tell what they are even if snowed/iced over.
>>2024662>blue and random crossesNo parking is one line across the circle, no stopping is an X across the circle.
>>2023577It's like the floppy pictogram as save. Give it 20 years, and there will be children who never heard of the Little Engine that Could or Shining Time Station. Then the signs will change.
>>2022126Portugalbtw, we use yellow background, instead of white, for temporary signs (roadworks, etc.), including horizontal markings.
>>2022792>>2026878
>>2025030it used to be a give way triangle sign on a prohibition circle
I hate how "turn left/right before the sign" and "keep left/right" look the same"Even more so because it's a circular sign and can easily be mounted wrong or easily skewed and you wouldn't even know
this is what the french use. interesting
this one is apparently "Mandatory passage straight to the right" as opposed to the more typical "Pass sign on the left side"idk the difference
>>2024660yield is not a thing in aus. noone says that and it's not on any signs.
I think American signs are generally too reliant on text to convey information, but their "give way ahead" and "stop ahead" signs make much more sense.
I was oddly surprised reading the 1978 Highway Code (UK) how pretty much the same it is today; not much changed. I thought, for example, the minimum speed limit sign was a modern thing.
>>2027885
>>2027885There is no need to fix what is already working.
>>2027911And it would need to be very broken to justify re-educating all drivers on the new signs.
>>2027916Fonty factTransport is a sans serif typeface first designed for road signs in the United Kingdom. It was created between 1957 and 1963 by Jock Kinneir and Margaret Calvert as part of their work as designers for the Department of Transport's Anderson and Worboys committees.Don't let them touch that stuff they'd mess with the font.
>>2025995>It's like the floppy pictogram as save.Speaking of: "attention - art photography!"This sign has seen some fluctuation in color. The new ones are blue now, meaning "instructional"; yellow is used in prohibitive signs but squares are mostly reserved for extra plates under the main sign.
>>2023049>no capybara warningngmi
>>2027989I wanted to contrast how the Greenlanders, who all speak Greenlandic, use a normal stop sign. while in Nunavut they use non standard stop signs. But due to superior Danish traffic engineering, and lack of country roads, I can't find a single stop sign in Greenland on Google maps. Just yield signs and roundabouts.
>>2028041>found one near a research stationwtf Greenland
>>2022126Mostly USA for me.I fucking hate the needless minimalism trend, using red to say both "warning" and "forbidden" is idiotic when you got plenty of other colors left.
now take a look at these lane indicator signs. what do you think is the best solution?poland: only your direction shown, not the cars going the other way (here's it shows a bike lane but would also indicate turn lanes in other places)
>>2027989the checkerboard here looks very aesthetic
welp I was gonna post hungary because they showed the opposite direction's lane with arrow in the same direction and a no entry sign covering. but must have been a one off thing.
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>>2028041They have a sign for almost every endemic language in Canada
>>2028144What the fuck?
>>2027984Still can't tell if this is an old style camera facing right or if it is a normal camera facing straight ahead
>>2023070Why do I need to watch it specifically for pelicans?
When you actually yield for people and they give you the flouride stare.
>>2022142I would assume it means bike only
>>2023041not sure about other countries, but here we have official road signs for e.g. massage parlors (picrel), vineyards and car dealerships
>>2029357Our vineyard/winery signs are usually just grapes on a burgundy sign
Which country has the best font?
>>2022126US-style signs are obviously the best but only work if everyone on the road speaks English.
>>2029622So... they're not the best
>>2029623No that's the exact opposite of what I said. Can't you read?
>>2029626Shouldn't the 'best road signs' be ones legible to anyone of any background? If only certain people can understand them, that's a failure of their entire purpose.
>>2029629>Shouldn't the 'best road signs' be ones legible to anyone of any background?No? Road signs only need be legible to the people who will be driving on said roads.
>>2029630And in a country with loads of foreigners...
>>2029631...
>>2029632...maybe wouldn't it be best to have road signs be intelligible to them as well?
>>2029634Why?
>>2029631And native minorities who pretend not to speak English when Englishmen are around. (Derry and North Wales)
>>2029361same as here then, just instead of a burgundy sign it uses the standard blue "service sign" template
Always was a fan of the "Elephants this way" sign we have in the UKAlso, do any other countries have these goofy residential zone signs with the asymetric squares for windows and doors?
>>2029629If you can't read English you don't belong on the road, simple as.
Based Singapore signs.
what do i care about what road signs say? i bike around so that i get to ignore them
I with my country would have this Chinese road sign
That's also neat.
Those chinese signs while neat just show the layout, In most countries you'd have instead signs that show priority roads instead. But idk maybe they use multiple signs too
>>2022126Africans don't read road signs. Every single roundabout is a traffic jam.
not a legal sign, but I wonder how you could do it better. the road splits before the tower ahead
>>2030200I puzzled that out by looking before I read your post so I'm gonna say it's fine
>>2030222Sure but using only actual signs allowed in your country? And not looking like someone was drunk when placing the straight arrows
>>2028153It's a totem pole.May I interest you with this magnificent tram & bus signal thing in Dresden I think.
>>2022126The best road signs are the ones from where I learnt to drive and every other counties signs are confusing and suck ass, it’s just that simple
>>2030222>>2030200The reason it's a problem is that the arrow pointing to a top corner signifies the lane is about to merge into another one. Here they used something that can be confused for both that and a straight ahead arrow which is terrible design
>>2030730>>2030200Here's a much more unambiguous design.
>>2028042TIL: There exists a Vianna convention round stop sign.This abomination was in use for 14 years in Finland before the international design won.>_warning_ orange background>no text, universal pictogram instead >either triangular, circular or octagonal; which ever you choose
>>2023041>Weird signsTook me ages to work out what this one meant.
>>2022126The US invented road signage standards, fuck europe.
>>2023495>Recycle
>>2023106i can't imagine there's another country where encountering a carriage is so unusual that road users would have to be warned in advance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcg7k6PHcnY
