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and/or we could have smaller cars, the standard family car should be a compact hatchback or wagon and work vehicles should be non luxury pickups, vans or trucks.

Cars should be no more than 1.4m tall and registration costs should reflect the size of the car. Currently the OPPOSITE happens in many places, where small cars are deemed 'unsafe' and therefor cost more.
The safety standards that forced bloated sizes, chunky pillars and poor visibility should be rolled back.
Small cars are far more compatible with pedestrians and cyclists, and they are affordable.

I still don't understand how the most popular electric vehicles are SUVs
It completely defeats the point of the virtue signalling being engaged in. How the fuck did they get away with that culturally?

If you say Jay Louis Irwin three times Hiro donates to rolling back CAFE regulations that incentivize SUV production

>>2022399
I'm all for comically huge bikes but separate lanes are not the only solution. What needs to be done is a reevaluation of the car. Why are they needlessly huge? We should be aiming to size down their footprint and increase their environmental and economic efficiency, not the opposite.

>comic: bikes are horribly suited to any environment not specifically tailored to them and will never fit in with modern infrastructure
Uhhhhh yeah....really blowing the right wingers out with this one

>>2022399
we need drivers and riders to pay the fuck attention and obey the laws already in place. this doesn't play into the inflammatory 'us vs them' bullshit everyone's currently on and also requires basic consideration for others so its a non-starter, but there you go.

Literally all you have to do is make drivers face consequences when they kill someone. Right now as long as you can say the magic words ("I didn't see anything officer") it's fine. Imagine if airline pilots could just crash and go "whoops! didn't see the ground there!"

This is plainly obvious to anyone with a pulse, but it's also considered politically impossible, so "cycling activists" do the same thing that automotive activists do, which is call for segregation. Literally the "send all the black people back to africa" of road safety.

>>2022399
>Bikes could be our main form of transportation, except for one problem
Cities are large and a slow vehicle like bicycles are impractical for anything other than short trips?

>>2022420
>Imagine if airline pilots could just crash and go "whoops! didn't see the ground there!"
Thats entirely how it works though, if the NTSB determines that spatial disorientation was a likely contributing factor. So long as the pilot wasn't knowingly and recklessly violating regulations then there is unlikely to be criminal charges

stop being retarded

>>2022399
I promise you all I am the most extreme right winger on this entire board. I don't believe in multiculturalism to any degree..I think the Irish do not belong living amongst the British or the Welsh or the Scots. I can identify these races in a lineup and many more. I do not believe in human rights. I know about them

And I fucking hate cars and trucks. Absolute fat coward pussy men think there truck makes them tough. I will break them. My lineage will destroy and dominate these weaklings. Bicycles will reign supreme in the Golden Future when we've exterminated every last cowardly fat plebe by the process of brutal economic elimination. If you drive a truck you are on the edge of extinction

>>2022414
>implying modern infrastructure isn't specifically tailored for cars

>>2022428
>I promise you all I am the most extreme right winger on this entire board.
you're not. You've already turned away from free market capitalism and the status quo. You're a lefty.

Race bait shit and culture wars aren't the crux of the political divide.

>>2022432
>the nazis are the REAL lefties
remember when people at least tried to sound sane? yeah me neither lol

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>>2022428
have you considered getting a job

>>2022399
How about educating drivers, testing and retesting their characters suitability and their understanding of the law? Yes, why not have an actually selective drivers exam? The drivers exams difficulty seems not to reflect the responsibility that comes with driving but a demand that everyone should be allowed to drive a car.

>>2022399
Fuck gay bike paths. I ride my road bike in the road.

We are riding anywhere between 15 and 35 mph. The proper place for that is the road Saturday morning.

>>2022432
>free market capitalism
>right wing
Maximum kek. Look: The more extreme authoritarian politics are the less freedom there is in anything. Extreme right =/= anarchism.

>>2022399
>muh right wingers
In more and more places that reliably vote blue every time you're seeing a backlash against rapid expansion of bicycle infrastructure. There's no room to add new bicycle infrastructure in cities so they take out traffic lanes to do so, and people are starting to notice.

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>>2022432
>You've already turned away from free market capitalism

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>You've already turned away from free market capitalism

Any cage-related deaths should be automatically tried as murder. You are operating deadly machinery with the full knowledge that any negligence or recklessness can easily kill someone. If the automobile was invented today there is no way the average joe retard would be allowed to drive one.

>>2022399
My vote goes for giant bikes

>>2022435
>1488
Clearly you haven't

>>2022399
>communism COULD work but here's an unrelated wall of text with provocative imagery
Leftist memes still diligently holding the standard, i see

>>2022459
this has everything to do with the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" mentailty im america. the first car owners were fairly well off financially. eventually this changed and every mouth breather has a car or three, but they've all been brainwashed into thinking their shitbox that cost less than the front wheel on my road bike makes them a successful job creator and the legal system should kowtow to them

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>wtf cagies did this

>>2022399
Im on the car side actually.
I love cycling in all its forms but its simply not practical in any suburban or rural environment. You need a car to do errands and groceries and such.
If you have kids you need one even more.
Its not even practical in the city.
It can rain, snow or other shit. Have fun cycling 10km just do do a small shopping spree and carry 15kg of groceries home.
No thank you.
Bikes are sporting goods and nothing else.

>>2022514
Wtf how do they not see it

>>2022538
downhill + NPC autopilot

>>2022399
Yeah the only people bicycling in america are homeless fent addicts. Nobody is building infrastructure for them.
>but but but I cycle
No, you don't, because there are nogs and cent fiends everywhere, nobody is building a bikelane in your 115 house subdivision off the highway where you moved to escape the lumpenproletariat.
>>2022410
The federal law passed to address their environmental impact + federal laws on car safety standards. Good luck getting those repealed.
>>2022425
Yes, cities are often zonefucked to the point there really isn't a place for you to bike too. So they end up as recreational toys, people ride them around parks pointlessly if at all.

>>2022555
>Yes, cities are often zonefucked to the point there really isn't a place for you to bike too. So they end up as recreational toys, people ride them around parks pointlessly if at all.
All the so-called "walkable" cities have extensive zoning. The only major city that doesn't is Houston, which is "bad" for walkability and then they'll come up with reasons why Houston "still has" zoning because they can't figure out the fundamental differences between zoning and deed restrictions.

>>2022517
>You need a car to do errands and groceries and such.
Cargo bikes exist.
>If you have kids you need one even more.
You can do that with bikes too.
>It can rain, snow or other shit.
They have covered bikes.
>Have fun cycling 10km just do do a small shopping spree
This is the main problem; zoning. Urban planners got the idea that they knew where people should put stuff, and naturally once you create the authority to control something, all the most concentrated economic powers will gain control of that authority. If the government gets to decide how cities are laid out, car lobbies will show up with notes and sacks of cash.
>Bikes are sporting goods and nothing else.
Where I live, sure. Probably where you live too. In cities that were built before urban planning, not so much.

>>2022414
No form of human transport is particularly good without specifically tailored infrastructure. Try using a boat with no harbors or anchorages, a car with no roads, a plane without airports, etc.

>>2022608
The difference is that airplane owners don't demand to be able to casually land on the highway since it's closer to their destination than the airport. The other issue is that no cycling community can agree on where the bike belongs. On the road, treated the same as a car? Bike lanes? Sidewalks? Separate bike paths? Free use anywhere?

>>2022615
A vehicle per legal definition. As such to be treated like any other vehicle when on the road or when invading spaces explicitly excluding vehicles, like sidewalks and pedestrian areas. The vehicular nature and legal definition loose meaning when the bicycle is elsewhere.

>>2022538
Uhh can't you see it's clearly the cagers trying to murder them? They would be sent to prison for this if the society wasn't so car-centric.

>>2022399
More like guinea pigs being put in with stampeding cows.
You know I was thinking those Telsa tunnels would be better served by bicycles. Have they ever put any more of those in or what?
Anyway a huge part of the problem is the amount of time people are willing to spend commuting because they'd rather do that than dealing with criminals, talking to anyone, or taking the risk of actually trying to get rid of or even acknowledge a criminal culture. And we can blame the TV news and anti discrimination laws for that.

>>2022456
You need more specialized (i.e. bigger and heavier) vehicles to haul furniture and family around, not that you can't use human powered ones. Lots of furniture can't be moved expediently without other sources of power and if lots of furniture is being moved it's probably being moved many miles. Of course you could slow down the entire metropolitan grid to 30 miles an hour which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if cities were totally redistricted, rezoned, redesigned, and rebuilt (and we got rid of the criminal subculture), but that's not going to fly if you're moving between cities. Oh and there's the whole roof thing. Which you can get on human powered vehicles, again at the cost of weight and drag and money and situational awareness.

>>2022517
Suburban environments are artificial. In fact the whole idea of the suburb (a car dependent neighborhood near a big city where everywhere you might want to go and walk is totally separated from every other pedestrian area by roads full of cars moving too fast for anything not motorized to keep up with) is really the whole thing people complain about when they complain about cars. Trouble is, they've already been built. And you can shop with vehicles without an enclosure if you just delay it until the weather is clear enough and make sure you have enough consumables to last until then but you've got to go to work every day. Rural on the other hand, yeah.

>>2022606
>Cargo bikes exist.
Cargo bikes are equivalent of "let them eat cake", it's a throwaway line either by cluelessness or malice by disregarding the needs of the common person. People who will tell you of how great cargo bikes are never actually have kids (no, pets don't count), they don't show you THEIRS, it's always some stock photos pulled off the Internet, or otherwise have it empty on a flat road. To speak nothing of the difficulty of parking a larger one.

>>2022637
>People who will tell you of how great cargo bikes are never actually have kids
that is the opposite of the truth

Most cargobike owners are extremely bougie late millenial professionals who buy them specifically to take their children to their progressive school

This is true in NZ, and extremely true in the netherlands where it's a cliche / joke for mothers/kids to have a cargo bike.

>>2022637
>muh kids
keep defending a system where the world is highly dangerous for kids and they have no freedom

>>2022637
and yes, cargo bikes are useless outside of highly niche areas, but that's only because most of the world sucks.

>>2022650
>keep defending a system where the world is highly dangerous for kids and they have no freedom
OK, hear me out. What if we had a street that kids could play on...one that's a whole block long but hardly has any vehicular traffic on it because there were only fourteen families living off of it? It doesn't even need any no parking signs because there's plenty of parking anyway, and the only time street parking is even used when they have people over?

>>2022399
Cities don't exist for people who live in cities. Cities exist for businesses that benefit from labor pool concentration. Transportation is a secondary concern to this primary function, and putting transportation ahead of that is putting the cart before the horse.

>>2022654
That's an idea just crazy enough to work, but it even addresses >>2022634 issue of criminality since those families would all know one another

>>2022618
As a vehicle surely it needs to be registered and insured to be allowed to be allowed on public roads?

>>2022660
no why, that is the case with motorvehicles. Aparently with the inteoduction of the 'ebike' not even that is the case anymore.
Why do you insist on telling others what vehicle they may and may not use and wether they want to risk absolute financial ruin for eggenerations to save on insurance?

>>2022663
>Why do you insist on telling others what vehicle they may and may not use
Because I don't want to see tanks, monster trucks and hovercraft on public roads that I pay for?

>>2022665
maybe don't pay for them then? Or maybe have your private road?

>>2022668
Gladly, how do I opt out of taxes?

>>2022658
>since those families would all know one another
Why would they? I grew up in suburban single-family neighborhoods most of my childhood and nobody talked to the neighbors because any time you went outside it was either to mow the lawn or to get in the car. The only people you ever met in a social context lived too far away to walk to.
I only got to know my neighbors (kinda) when I was an adult living in a neighborhood where my house was walking distance from work.
Now I live in an apartment with my wife, and our neighbor's front door is 10 feet from our own. We run into each other as a matter of course. We hang out on holidays, feed each other's pets, and bring each other's mail inside.

>>2022669
Refuse to pay. Put up a fight when they try. Remember: It's game over once the cuffs are on, you need to not let it get to that. Also since they will always escalate violence you might aswell be the first to do so. I will remember you anon.
I'm also pretty convinced you would likely, under other circumstances argue that 'you' aka effeminate cageoids, paid for the road through taxes on fuel, emissions and vehicle sales alone. This is utterly false, motorism is the most subsidized single thing in the world but for the sake of the following argument I want to go with your delusion: Buy a bicycle and use it. Stop consuming petroleum products unless you're a cripple, in that case I support your car dependence.

>>2022684
And then everyone clapped.

>>2022743
>amd eberyone clabbed

>>2022663
Why does responsibility for your behavior frighten you so?

>>2022781
(You)re confusing me. Aren't (you) defending mandatory insurance here?

>>2022654
>>2022658
But where do the mixed use apartment buildings go? Where's the coffee shop, interpretive dance studio, and corner "grocery" store owned by immigrants?? WHERE'S THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE!?!?