Damn wtf are we supposed to do
>>2022515
>>2022515Just share the normal road?It works pretty well in europe.More and more cities here implement a 30km/h speed limit which is great for cyclists. You can easily swim with the traffic. Its not really dangerous desu.Plus a drivers license here is 3,5k€ and actually aquires some skill to get it.We dont have crazy niggers and wiggers that get one with 20 bucks and 1 hour of driving on a parking lot.For example check out dashcam channels from germany compared to US ones. You guys literally still live in the wild west if it comes to road safety.
>>202251830km/h isn't everywhere and while it may be a fine pace for you and I 90% of people are slow as fuck on their bikes and hold up everyone. Just widen the road plop and down a bike lane. Can even be at the cost of parking spaces idgaf.>We dont have crazy niggers and wiggers that get one with 20 bucks and 1 hour of driving on a parking lot.We still have enough morons on the streat who get it together for the exam and drive like absolute dogshit afterwards, I know some of them. You also have that thing for life and most people become worse drivers with age.
>dumb boomer doing dumb boomer things
>>2022515I would be all for it. Sounds like our guy Doug here actually is a cyclist and understands cyclists needs.
>>2022515>Doug FordPraise Ford>"Once lots of human beings have been produced, the problem becomes how to make them serve the economy in their everyday lives. “The problem was to find an economically sounder reason for consuming transport than a mere affection for primroses and landscapes. […] ‘We condition the masses to hate the country,’ concluded the Director. ‘But simultaneously we condition them to love all country sports. At the same time, we see to it that all country sports shall entail the use of elaborate apparatus. So that they consume manufactured articles as well as transport.’” Elaborate steps are taken to circumvent what’s “natural,” to such a degree that those who prefer simpler pastimes are looked upon with suspicion. “Mere affection” and enjoyment of natural things do nothing to stimulate the economy. So it’s necessary to go to great lengths to make people like and pursue things that will sustain the economy instead."
>>2022515keep bikingdrivers going to be fucking pissed when they realize any lane i'm in becomes a bike lane
>>2022518>Plus a drivers license here is 3,5k€ and actually aquires some skill to get it.>We dont have crazy niggers and wiggers that get one with 20 bucks and 1 hour of driving on a parking lot.As nice as that would be here in the US, car dependency and car culture has forced our society to view driving as a "right" and not a "privilege" and so if we even try to implement such measures for the greater good, the same people who terrorize the street will be the loudest on social media regarding their "right" to drive
>>2022547based slow roller
>>2022515Unless there are 2 bike lanes on each side, this won't even give them 1 more car lane, what's the point?
Sounds like he's got his head in the right place. Bike lanes are anti-bike. Forester did nothing wrong.
>>2022550Ford is just a little dickhead child salty about having lost the Toronto mayor election countless years back, so now he's actively trying to ruin the city through provincial laws that are entirely about cities and have no business being provincial.
>>2022578First off, Fuck Ford. I agree he's being a complete asshole and this is ridiculously stupid.However, I think there is a legitimate, provincial/regional interest in things like transportation. Again, he's on completely the wrong fucking side of this and car-centric transportation needs to fucking go. But imagine some kind of crazy, edge-case scenario like, "a city reduces every road entering its boundaries to 1 lane in each direction, because it will fuck regional commuters and increase property values and density within city-borders."Again, fuck Ford to hell and back for being a mouthfoaming idiot. But there is room for provincial standards in transportation within municipal boundaries. It just should be more shit like, "you need to protect right-of-ways for future transportation projects," and less "FUCK BIKES!"
>>2022550If a bike lane replaces one of two traffic lanes you've basically halved the capacity of the road. People are so brain-rotted by their idea of "induced demand" they assume that just as traffic will magically materialize the second capacity is expanded, it will likewise poof out of existence if capacity decreases.
>>2022518>works pretty well in europeNo it does not.>30km/hIt's fine for residential areas, you are fucked on an arterial both if you chose to ride there or if you chose to speed limit to 30.>3,5k€ and actually aquires some skill to get it.I passed mine in Germany and Texas, the test was exactly the same. Texas just didn't require me to show proof of gorrillion hours of classes.You could just do a credit check and be just as effective at filtering.Texas also gave me equivalent of C+E right if the bat.The negress at the DPS counter was too retarded to see Germany has reciprocity which is a clear rule. So I took the test instead as it was faster than arguing sense into her.>driving in the parking lotThat's part one, before you drive on the road. You do your parking tests here too.
>>2022579He does exercise that to build subways to Richmond Hill and shit
>remove bike lane>now cyclists have to ride on the road>traffic is slowed even than before>does nothing to alleviate the real causes of congestionHey but at least he forced Loblaws to make Buck a Beer
cyclists belong on the sidewalk
>>2022617Look on the bright side, for even more of the syclists their trip will become their last now, resulting in tangible improvement to society.
>>2022515It's probably widely popular with all the obesefats in Toronto suburbs. This is politics by focus group, promise anything and everything as it focus groups well.
>>2022626Someone call the Beaverton:>Ontario Government Discovers How to Turn Cyclists into Ghosts, Reduce Traffic>Faced with unprecedented gridlock and increasing polarization over bike lanes, Ontario is turning to an innovative solution. Government researchers have announced a new technique to efficiently turn cyclists into spectral riders and eliminate conflict on the roads.>"Everyone knows ghosts are immaterial, so we can use the same lanes for both bikes and cars with no effect on traffic. It's a win-win," announced Transportation Minister Prabmeet Singh Sarkaria, in front of a ghost bike.>"The secret is the bike. The connection to the bicycle at the time of death creates a phylactery which helps bind the soul to the material realm," explained one government scientist. "We'd like to eventually do the same with pedestrians, but running shoes are less effective for unexplained reasons.">But not everyone is happy with the changes. We spoke to one driver who said, "I know if they're in the way then I can just driver over them like they aren't there, but it still feels weird seeing them biking around like that. I think they should stay off the road where I don't have to see them."
>>2022515faggot boomer fatass
>>2022648>burying the 401
Wait until you see what Kevin Chevy has planned :P
>>2022515but bike lanes
>>2022700Beautiful. Anything that makes motorists miserable is objectively a great thing, love to see it.
>>2022590Texas requires a driving test?
>>2022700Oncoming traffic looks like its flowing fine. ;^) Is that eastbound with the DVP on-ramp closed?
>>2022705how is driving through a 25km tunnel supposed to be enjoyable either too? shit's so retarded
>>2022621this poster is an uber eats deliverywala from Haryana
>>2022705least deranged /n/iggertranny
>>2022742who hurt you
>>2022705>Anything that makes motorists miserable is objectively a great thingThis is at least Reddit in its purest form, they don't care about pedestrians, trains, or bicycles, they just want to ruin others' lives.
>>2022515Why do Canadians keep electing this retard? I only hear bad things about this guy.
>>2022515>elect Henry Ford's grandnephew prime minister of Canada>get mad when he removes bicycle infrastructureWhat did the leafs mean by this?
https://www.barrietoday.com/local-news/poll-most-support-the-provinces-curbs-on-new-bike-lanes-9672312 nsisters...
>>2022652I laughed, you should actually send this into the Beaverton
>>2022759American identify politics are bleeding over the border into Canada.Our elections now aren't really about issues or values, and more about "owning the lefties" or "making sure the conservatices don't win". Also in Doug Ford's case, he actually was the better candidate by comparison, the Ontario Liberals were probably one of the worst ruling parties in the province's history.
>>2022787>not prime minister>not related to Henry Ford outside a perhaps distant relation
>>2022869>American identity politicsIf you look at the actual polls for new bike lane support (see >>2022815) it is universally hated.>but the conservativesThe more liberal parties still support it, except for NDP and only mildly>but the boomersPeople of all ages dislike it>but the richPeople of all income brackets dislike it
>>2022742you're a racist tourist.
>>2022882i posted that as bait, it's a boomer newspaper website from barrie, which is bumfuckville compared to toronto. people from downtown hate this shit
>>2022815>online poll>only for bumfuckville local newspaper readers
>>2022942Cope. The poll covered the entire Toronto area, BarrieToday and GuelphToday just retransmitted the survey from Village Media.Its like how Reddit was big mad over the New York congestion pricing being postponed indefinitely and a straw poll of Democrat voters in NYC and found only a third opposed the delay. That's one reason why the state pushed it through anyway, if it was up to voters it would've gotten destroyed by a +20 or higher margin.
>>2022949nobody reads village media but 95iq normieswhy are you defending the choices of retarded voters? why haven't you embraced the Xipill?
>>2022949https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_Media they don't even have a Toronto Hamilton or Ottawa paper dude
>>2022515Do you agree that these are nasty and terrible
anyone going to the critical mass rides for this? pic unrelated
>>2023012Nope. The average speed sucks and there are only grannies, leftists and kids there.I hate to ride with a slow af cadence because it just feels wrong if you're not riding in your powerband
>>2023018treat it as a leisure ride?
>>2023018slow rides are good for recovery and bike handling and they have nothing to do with your cadence
>>2023018>if you're not riding in your powerband>leglette has a narrow powerbandimagine being such a leglette you can't slow spin a mega tall gear ratio lmao
>>2022515Ride on the road. Keep the traffic at standstill.
>>2022518>More and more cities here implement a 30km/h speed limitWhich means cagers will drive 30km/h minimum and try to keep it at 34km/h to just not get caught if there happens to be a radar speed check.And going 30km/h on a 5% incline means >500W. Which rules out 99% of bike commuters the many people can't keep up the 200W needed to ride at that speed on the flat.
>>2023224>make up arbitrary bullshit rules>be surprised that people won't respect arbitrary bullshit rules
>>2022515>I NEED BIKE LANES OR ELSE I CAN'T BIKE ANYWHEREexactly how privileged are you? Bicycles can use any part of the road - stop being such a narcissistic faggot. Last time I checked, my road bike functions perfectly well on asphalt, concrete and sidewalks. Go fuck yourself you stupid piece of shit
Doug Ford is a stupid man.
>>2022733>how is driving through a 25km tunnel supposed to be enjoyableNorway manages that fine.Also, current highway probably isn't enjoyable either
>>2023524>"studies show"Actual studies listed/referenced:>a project in NYC that added bike lanes but also turn lanes, which was probably the actual reason why traffic was flowing smoother—at best this is diluted>mentions that Copenhagen added bike lanes but gives no information--how? At the expense of traffic lanes? Or not?>brings up Paris and then finds that cars decreased between 2010 and 2018 while bicycles increased between 2018 and 2019...why the disparity? Why can't they compare numbers directly?>mentions report directly from Toronto, where it is most relevant and the bike lanes were taken from traffic lanes, where traffic times increased on streets with bike lanes but "that doesn't count"
>>2022518>It works pretty well in europe.https://youtu.be/M5sjVjblARw?si=wUZa0VIb0Xc3IUuF&t=3185https://youtu.be/Ce6zr7t9bPc?si=9rFzJNJ-At4BIsjS&t=67>brit who's cycled all over the world>feels safer on the shoulder of the interstate in Texas than on an average road in Britain
>>2023572NTA. Not here to defend that, particular article.But I was at the recent public meeting about the Bloor West lanes, and the traffic data shows a 3-4 minute increase. But it also showed more people were actually driving the speed limit (40 km/h). So, like, maybe the increase is because the average person isn't driving literally 25-50% over the speed the limit?Maybe it's valid to increase travel times when people are fucking speeding?
>>2022700This is clearly Bichael's fault
>>2023572>nuh uh >:(>wah?>wah??>wah???Very convincing.
>>2023605>cites out-of-town study where they admit that the street itself also changed to allow for more smooth-flowing traffic>cites out-of-town study where they admit nothing>cites out-of-town study where they don't actually compare two data points>cites actual in-town study where it proves Doug Ford had a point, but ignores it anywayNot the big W you think it is
>>2023605The cagetroll strawgrasping knows no bounds.
>>2022652These are the kind of innovative transportation ideas we need here in the States
>>2023591Wasn't there that kid who rolled coal all over a bunch of ironman athletes >>2023599if you drive into downtown you're a retard and deserve to be congested desu, t. Scarborough resident
>>2023841>Wasn't there that kid who rolled coal all over a bunch of ironman athletesThe cyclists were out on narrow country backroads. The problem wasn't that he rolled coal on them; they likely refused to let him pass, the problem was that in the process he accidentally ran over half of them in the process.
>>2023844...so you shouldn't roll coal?
>>2023919Shouldn't have antagonized him in the first place. Rolling coal is kind of like punching someone in the face. It's bad behavior, and can happen unprovoked. It's the difference between a black dude punching you in the face and a black dude punching you in the face after you called him a nigger, repeatedly.
>>2023844That’s the most shameless strawgrasping I’ve ever seen lmao
>>2024154Yes, I'm sure the cyclists were minding their own business, letting vehicles pass by and this asshole comes out of nowhere and decides to run over half of them.
>>2023599CBC said they changed traffic signals to reduce about half the extra delay.
>>2024310They said that in the meeting they were targeting a 1 minute increase compared to prior to the change. I doubt they have the data to back up that improvement just yet considering it just happened.But all the data in the world won't fucking matter since the retards reject anything that doesn't conform to their starting position. They "feel slow" because they see bikes passing them. This enrages the cager, despite the fact that we will take turns passing each other for the next 2 km based on the lights.
>>2024320It's a divide-and-rule tactic. They create drama with immigration, changes to lanes and badly timed traffic lights. It's easier to get mad/feel righteous about people you see rather than the responsible party hidden behind their machines and bureaucracy.
>>2022518I was in the Netherlands and Germany in September, just copy what the Dutch have done. German cities and towns are way louder and traffic is way more chaotic than in the Netherlands, biking around the Netherlands was a lot of fun and I always felt relaxed walking around, Germany is so much louder it's a huge difference
why don't these asshole bikers just stay on the empty side walksmake the sidewalks 18 inches bigger so people can pass nicer...Then again losing lanes is completely irrelevant when every traffic light reduces throughput to 1/5th of what the lane can do
>>2024419>when you have never been to downtown toronto
Here is your bike lane.
>>2022515https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/the-person-using-that-bike-lane-could-be-your-doctor-hundreds-rally-to-protest-ford/article_860135b4-9eb8-11ef-9d49-0be74b5e83d6.htmlHow was it like, for anybody who went?
>>2024452?Are you pretending literally every street is dundas and yonge at 4 pm ?
That’s so incredibly retarded. Can city council stop the from removing the lanes?
Yeah ok and then how many dead 11 year olds before people lampposted this fucking cunt?
>>2025593No because the charter gave Ontario the power to do this and that's retardedAlso I wouldn't be shocked if it actually took $50 million to remove it
>>2025593I hope they bring back the blocks.
Really feeling like more rallies and protests isn't going to do. I mean, I'll still go.What will actually make Ford stop is if the opposition parties have November 2024, followed by December 2024, as their best fundraising months since 2018.Where are all these fucking business owners on Bloor in the Annex? He wants to destroy your entire streetscape and turn it into a highway.(answer is probably, "spending everything on skyrocketing commercial rents")
>>2024887>>2025593>>2025856Why not just put the bike lanes to a vote?"Remove bike lanes on _____, ______, and _______, restoring them to their original configuration." (Yes/No).
>>2026045Because the whole thing is the wedge issue to distract the urban progressive types while the same bill that bans bike lanes also funds a new freeway that just happens to be routed through all the farmlands (soon to be rezoned to dense residential) Doug Ford's major donors bought up.
>>2026055Praise Ford
>>2026019the BIA made a statement saying they're against it but that's probably the furthest they can go>>2026055sure but obviously taking out the bike lanes fucks us over too
>>2022547An experience coming to a road near you.
>>2026062>These cyclists think that streets used to have just people cycling and walking before cars. They are wrong. Today I will remind them.
>>2026062>>2026067Who's coming on Saturday?
>>2022518Bikefags refuse to learn traffic rules and want to be treated like special snowflakes, that's the whole crux of the issue. Otherwise they'd be like slow motorcycles and nobody would care.
>>2026067>I have no evidence to support my fucking stupid opinion.
>>2026112You know people used to ride horses before bikes... right?
>>2026119You're telling me that parents used to teach their kids to ride bikes by putting them on horses first? Those things will goddamn kill you if they get spooked. I mean, look at >>2026062Thank god we invented training wheels and balance bikes. Horses are better for eating than for riding.
>>2026062based Chilean patriots purging commies like uncle Augusto intended
>>2026112Cars replaced horses, not bicycles, and most every city in the late 19th century/early 20th was crammed with horse and buggy (some exceptions, like some European cities or Hong Kong) before cars.It's why sidewalks were invented, the streets were completely disgusting with water pooling and horse shit everywhere and was elevated slightly off the ground.
>>2026062What's the context of this
>>2022515>Doug FordDidn't he die of a crack overdose ten years ago?
>build bike lanes>nobody uses them>get angry when they’re threatening to be removed due to wasted space Why are /n/ retards like this? They build these things for you and you don’t even use them
>>2025593These aren't bike lanes in Mississauga. You're allowed to park by the curb. OTM18 doesn't have a name for it. It might be "signed bicycle route with paved shoulder" except that's only for rural roads.Maybe you're supposed to ride left of the line. I've seen it once. The "lanes" usually end at intersections where the solid line curves to hit the curb. It's training for crossing solid lines. I used to follow stop signs.
>>2026353They are being used!The city even installed a public bike counter, so everyone can see how many people are using the bike lane, and it's still cracking a thousand per day even as fall sets in.The anti-bike faction just claimed the bike counter is defective and overcounting. The reality doesn't matter, only vibes.
>>2026365How many cars? 1000 doesn't seem like very many.
>>2026366According to the traffic studies, there was no reduction in car volumes on the newest stretch of bike lanes. So literally no cars were displaced by taking away lanes and giving them to bikes.
>>2022523>Just widen the road plop and down a bike lane. Can even be at the cost of parking spaces idgaf.literally what they didwasn't worth it, hence removing them ya donkey>>2022515if you can't maintian a lawful speed as is required of vehicles, buy a battery kitidgaf
>>2026353>>2026393Both of you post address to prove you live in Toronto
3 days after Canada's Ontario Premier Doug Ford removed this bike lane, drivers tell us if their commute has improvedhttps://youtu.be/v9Fus5lFJmM
>>2026864>driving downtown
>>2022518>18mphjesus christ that sounds like actual hell
>>2026019poll just came out indicating that the opposition would have 0% of forming a minority or majority government if there was an election held today, we're fucked lol
>>2026062I guess horses just don't like bikes.
>>2027459Do faggot cross walks end homophobia?
>>2027465no, but for some reason its fine to deface things that are historical or pro America but its a hate crime to deface that shit
>>2027459London?
>>2022515Luigi should have killed Doug Ford instead of whatever that CEO's name was
>>2028047Sorry, anon, getting fucked over by health insurance corpos (something everyone can identify with) instead of faggy bike lanes that only existed for a few years (something almost universally hated outside of these types of circles) is a very different thing.
The only option is to leave america and canada, they will never be car centric.Ironic because stupid goyconservatives keep shouting "if you don't like it leave"Well we can't leave, countries wont allow us in and even if they did we'd still need tons of money to move.
>>2028069>getting fucked over by health insurance corposThis problem exists mostly in a shit-tier countries like us.
>>2028072you can leave to the afterlife like 41% of your friends did. everyone else would thank you for that.
>>2028114i agree, US is a horrible place that nobody should approach else you get raped by jewish lawyer insurance agents for breathing near cars that chase you with murderours intent. don't consider moving here and stay as far away as possible. be sure to take your relatives that have had the misfortune of getting into US back home too and free them from their suffering.
>>2028069Doug Ford also defunded the hospitals here you're retarded and fat
>>2022518>30km/h speed limits Jesus fucking christ you think that's something to brag about?
>>2023959>tacitly equivocating trugg owners to niggersLove to see it
>>2026349Youre thinking of his brother, Rob Ford, former mayor of TO
>>2028450In the downtown of a city or residential streets? Are you saying this is too high to something?btw they don't plan to remove the lanes until March so uhh hopefully we have time
>>2022515>Claim traffic is caused by bicycles>And not>You know>CarsWe need to bring lobotomies back
Physiognomy is real. The worst drivers are Subaru drivers followed by Lexus, then Toyota Sienna. Yes, model specific for that last one.If you drive any of those, you are a clueless asshole that needs to go faster.
>>2028508Canada must be a different planet because here, the most dangerous are garbage trucks, then box trucks of any kind, then construction vehicles, then nissans of any kind, then bmw x-series, then diplomatic platesBeing scared of a subaru is weird as fuck
>>2028525Buses, gravel trucks, and RVs tend to be the worst from my experience.
https://www.thetrillium.ca/news/municipalities-transit-and-infrastructure/toronto-bike-lane-removals-to-start-in-march-at-the-earliest-9961352 March 20 guys
>>2022515https://storymaps.com/stories/977d7a48e8104952b3843b25ddda4ec3
>>2022518The reason for bike lanes in toronto is that traffic averages 10km/hr and bikes do 20-30. This isn't about making traffic move faster but eliminating the reminder to drivers that bikes are faster by making them wait in traffic too.
>>2023524Of course this; Ford is just cashing in and stoking suburban culture war bullshit, largely as a way to distract from the ongoing failure of the LRT to be anywhere near completed, his shitting about at Ontario place, and whatever other fucking scam the fat grifting cunt has on the go at any given time.
