American high-speed rail map from transportation researcher Alon Levy.Which line would you build first?
>transit guru>LevyJust say communist.
>this is the "man" countless /n/iggers look up toYikeroni and cheese batman....
Isn't this the eugenics freak who hates ADA rules and wanted to delete all the bus stops because they're only needed by disgusting old geezers, and his brilliant plan for making transportation great again was to just drive empty buses around all day?
>>2027151Don’t forget your meds.
Chicago-Indianapolis because you can use that to connect to a ton of nearby cities.
>>2027142Starting to build a public transport from HSR is like starting to build a house from the chimney.
>>2027142Let me guess, he lives in Chicago?
>>2027142LA-Phoenix because >existing trackage between the two
>>2027183I like that idea, they’re both big and growing cities. Plus tons of people in one city have friends/relatives in the other.
>>2027183Existing trackage doesn't mean 1) it's conducive to high speed operations and 2) the railroad that owns it will let you use it. Please think critically
>>2027203>the railroad that owns it will let you use it.If it's by Amtrak, it has to. So many people here have no idea how railroads work.
>>2027208Now look up where Amtrak owns the rails.>So many people here have no idea how railroads work.jej
>>2027209You are completely retarded.
>>2027210I accept your concession.
>>2027212If Amtrak runs the service, then railroads have to let them use their track, providing they, or their predecessor, were part of the formation of Amtrak in 1970.You are retarded. Please stop posting here.
>>2027213That' a gross oversimplification of the situation. Freight railroads can keep new Amtrak routes off their lines indefinitely. And you're still ignoring any track geometry and junctions that don't permit high speed operations. Amtrak can't even get it own tracks upgraded to true HSR.Keep trying baby bro
>>2027142SE then NE and the project would die five days later
>>2027216>Freight railroads can keep new Amtrak routes off their lines indefinitely.No they can't. Again, you people have no idea how railroads work.
>>2027218>No they can't.Yes they can. Carriers can dig in their heels and stonewall Amtrak until it gives up. An arbitration board can rule in the freight carrier's favor. Lobbying can keep Amtrak at bay indefinitely. Learn to think complexly instead of just skimming Wikipedia articles. And you're still ignoring any problems with the track alignment itself.
>>2027221They have to allow Amtrak to run. That's the end of it. They can complain and say that Amtrak needs to pay for upgrades to make it viable, or argue about what rates they should have to pay, but that's really it.The last fight that popped up was CSX fighting Amtrak about restoring service to Mobile, AL but look what happened...https://www.progressiverailroading.com/railPrime/details/STB-to-Amtrak-When-will-Gulf-Coast-service-roll-out--71278You have shit for brains, commie faggot.
>>2027223>They have to allow Amtrak to run. That's the end of it.Incorrect. See: >>2027221
>>2027224You gave your narrative and I showed you how it worked out. They stalled for a year, gave up, and Amtrak is building the station and getting to run the trains.You're a real dumb cock sucker, you know that? You come here acting like you know it all, but you really don't have a clue.
>>2027225>Sample size = 1I accept your concession.
>>2027226>Your sources: My imaginationKill yourself.
>>2027227Your concession has already been accepted. There is no need to continue losing.
Turning Los Angeles into a high-speed rail hub would be such an awesome transformation to watch. LA would go from the most car-dependent big city to the most rail-friendly city.
>>2027231>LA would go from the most car-dependent big city to the most rail-friendly city.How?
>>2027142Atlanta is weird. It has fuckall connectivity to the rest of the Amtrak system.
>>2027275Connecting it to Florida is tough but given the population on either side it’s an essential connection. You can easily connect Atlanta to Chattanooga (and then Nashville), and Greenberg and Charlotte. Given its huge size and growth it needs some rail connections to nearby cities.
>>2027277>GreenbergForeigner found
>>2027142Maybe Amtrak should serve major cities outside of the East and West Coasts more than twice a week before even thinking about a nationwide HSR
>>2027334>more than twice a week before even thinking about a nationwide HSRI think the implication is that without high speed rail, the cross country trains are just expensive heritage train rides. You can't seriously use them to go from Washington to Chicago because it takes 18 hours.That's an average speed of less than 75 MPH. If the train consistently did 125 MPH, the trip would take about 6.5 hours.
>>2027338A flight is still around four hours, though.
>>2027142>LevyThis line.
>>2027142none of these because they dont go to my city
>>2027275Nashville is even weirder. It has no passenger rail despite being close to several major cities and smaller cities. Tennessee is pretty densely-populated and Nashville is growing big-time so they need to build some kind of rail.
>>2027142The PNW line because I live in Seattle and want to swiftly coomute to superior Vancouver whores.
The Montreal/Ottowa/Toronto/Detroit line actually looks the most financially feasible. Add a connection to Boston or NYC and everyone's riding it for vacation.
>>2027181He lives in NYC because he's a transportation researcher at NYU.
>Get off high speed train>Find myself in car-centric sprawl>Rent car, inevitablyTransit needs to start with effective municipal UBahn and SBahn.
>>2029411>he's a transportation researcher at NYU.Just say "communist."
why not just have buses that are 4 vehicles long and go 120 mph in designated high speed lanes
>>2029523also>costs more than just driving
>>2029534Good point, we need to make driving more expensive to justify its true cost to the environment
>>2029536>/n/egroes not beating the petty tyrant allegations.
Are we considering negative impact on freight ops?
>>2029533Why not have buses that are 16 vehicles long?
>>2029581What negative impact? Freight already has their own lines.
>>2029523>get off high-speed train>find myself downtown which is the opposite of car-centric sprawl>walk, rideshare, and/or take transit to nearby destinationsPerfect.Also, even if the occasional rider rented a car that's entirely irrelevant. By your "logic," nobody should take planes anywhere because they rent cars when they get out.
Las Vegas HSR station, but isn't it far from the city center?The advantage of a railroad is that stations can be built underground, allowing passengers to board and disembark from the center of the city.
>>2029603The logic is that if you have to rent a car anyways, flying is the superior travel. The only thing rail improves is cost and at the tradeoff of speed
>>2029657Wrong, rail is a far more green tech than air
>>2029585you'll never have enough people to fill them
>>2029657But for regional trips, HSR gets you there faster and more comfortably.HSR is vastly superior to air for trips under 500 miles.
>>2029657>The only thing rail improves is costOften rail is more expensive than flying>>2029670>HSR is vastly superior to air for trips under 500 milesIf that was true France wouldn't need to make short domestic flights illegal, people would overwhelmingly choose the train. But they did.
>>2029676Actually in France people do overwhelmingly choose to travel by train for short domestic trips.You just shot yourself in the foot, lol.
>>2029694I've flown the Paris-Toulouse route. Would have rather taken the train.
>>2029694>Actually in France people do overwhelmingly choose to travel by train for short domestic trips.If that was true, the government wouldn't need to make short flights illegal there
>>2029698Why didn't you?
> Often rail is more expensive than flyingNot in the weekends. Airlines are using their highly profitable weekend prices to subsidize the weekdays. Flying simply does not scale well.> France wouldn't need to make short domestic flights illegalThey banned it precisely because it was unpopular. The bill wouldn't pass if it is not.
>>2029712>Airlines are using their highly profitable weekend prices to subsidize the weekdays.Demand pricing isn't new and French trains do it as well>They banned it precisely because it was unpopular.If it was unpopular it wouldn't have existed.Listen to yourself you chickenshit
> Demand pricing isn't new and French trains do it as wellThe point being trains are cheaper than flights when demand is high.> If it was unpopular it wouldn't have existed.By you own braindead logic, you wouldn't have existed.
>>2029715>The point being trains are cheaper than flights when demand is high.No source>By you own braindead logic, you wouldn't have existed.No argument
>>2029701That has nothing to do with why the government made short flights illegal but at this point it's obvious you're trolling.In France, people overwhelmingly choose rail for short domestic trips.
>>2029603This post perfectly btfos the anti-train troll "logic" ITT, which is why they ignore it.
Also, if you build HSR it encourages tons of transit-oriented development around the stations so there's even more to walk to (though American downtowns have densified considerably in the last two decades on their own).
>>2029734>In France, people overwhelmingly choose rail for short domestic trips.Of course, since that the government made short air trips illegal
A big difference from Europe and Asia is that you can drive on large-capacity highways with three lanes for almost nothing. Gas is also incredibly cheap.Recently, "semi-autonomous driving" such as GM's Super Cruise has started to spread rapidly.They are probably the biggest enemy of bullet trains.
>>2027142Seems unambitious.
I'd go with building the Texas Triangle route, that's such a perfect combination of density and growth.
>>2029872It's pragmatic.
