>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkI6Fmet4FE>build giant transit system with biden bux>no one wants to use it in very typical government project fashion>jillions wasted>"UHHHH THE SOLUTION IS IMMENANT DOMAIN TO FLOOD AREAS AROUND TRAINS WITH CHEAP HOUSING"The mindvirus strikes again. Once again they think society should be built to make their policies work, not policies built to help society work.
That's typically how it works, you build transit and then zone more buildings along the rail corridor and stops. The two go in tandem
>>2027398Or at least that's how it goes here, don't know what they do in the US. Especially with these recent tram expansions, typically that route will already have some high frequency bus service, but then at some point they might start looking at converting it into a tram/light rail to increase capacity. And then with the increased capacity they can zone more housing and workplaces next to it, which helps offset the cost too. They very much bring it up during the planning phase, like we're aiming to get 70 thousand more people living by this line. Which only makes sense, since you're building the line for people to use
how do you think cities grew before mass car ownership?
>>2027390>THEY BUILT A TRANSIT SYSTEM WITH STOPS ON A BUNCH OF PARKING LOTS AND HIGHWAYS AND NO ONE IS USING IT AAAAAAAH THE MINDVIRUS STRIKES AGAIN IM GOING INSANE!
>>2027398>how it works in snow mexico>"typical"There's nothing typical about copying Canadian policies or emulating syrupstan society.
>>2027404I'm in Europe, I just don't really understand what the confusion is. If they've built tracks somewhere where nobody lives, why would they not then zone housing around it? What's even the point of the track, if it goes from nowhere to nowhere. For example, when they built those subway lines in Stockholm back in the day, they built them with the intention that they will get new suburbs around the stations. Or more recently here in western Mongolia, they built this suburban light rail line, and the design docs already had estimates for how many new residents and workplaces each area will have in 2030. These lines are 50 percent just a zoning tool, they gradually run out of unbuilt land, so then they zone denser areas around a high capacity transit route. Which seems doubly logical if they're actually aiming to have people use the transit instead of driving
>>2027405>What's even the point of the track, if it goes from nowhere to nowhere.Politicians get a photo opContractors connected to politicians make moneyMoney is mostly from the feds, not the city or stateCities get to brag about their new streetcar/light rail that no one uses
>>2027390>expecting leftoids to understand demand It's really simple, cars are superior and the choice of the people.
>>2027390RTD light rail is slower than driving by a longshot even when compared to driving.
>>2027418Yeah light rail isn't very good for long distance travel. Like here the blue route takes an hour to go from end to end >>2027405 whereas with the orange subway train it takes 20 minutes. But it's not really meant for that anyway. People just do short distance hops with it. If someone's building a line where it's meant for traveling all the way across a town, it should really probably be a proper train line. The frequency of stops reflects that as well, in the inner city the trams will stop every couple hundred meters, and on LRT type routes it'll be like 800 meters on average. Then on the train lines where they go 10+ miles into the suburbs, it's more like a mile between each stop. I don't know how you'd solve this in US cities, since they spread out way more than eurotowns. Most areas will be too low density for a train, but then trams are just hopelessly slow for a useful service
>>2027390>Once again they think society should be built to make their policies work, not policies built to help society work.This is easily the greatest summary of why modern society is failing
Why are Americans like this?
>>2027431>$850B on trainsThat's not America
>>2027390This is not a problem with rail transport in itself and more of a problem of a corrupt and incompetent government that hates your guts. Rail just werks on the civilized world, from Europe to Asia.
>>2027390damn i wonder how cities grew in the late 19th and early 20th century
>>2027450its cheaper to fly than to take the rail
>>2027390Honestly Colorado (and much of the Western US in general) doesn't have cities in a typical sense, more a series of loosely connected suburbs, industrial and rural areas with the occasional downtown no one really cares about. This makes building transit anyone but the homeless will use impossible, as while transit can handle residential sprawl OK it would be extremely expensive to send a bus or rail line to all the massively spread out places people work. Even if you could get people to live next to the RTD lines, they would still have to drive to reach the places they actually want to go.
>>2027390the problem here anon is that rtd wasted their bidenbux building rail to where nobody lives or works instead of building it in already heavily used bus corridors with existing density like along colfax. its all done for stupid corrupt political reasons anon, not because of some grand conspiracy
I keep seeing retards here insinuating something that isn't immediately obvious to non-history nerds so I'll just spell it out plain and simple.Building a new railways to the middle of nowhere and building housing near the stations was exactly how railway companies back in the day expanded and profited.The middle class in London could buy houses out in the countryside and have a reliable and comfortable rail service directly to their place of work, and this was in the 30s when cars were viable enough that major avenues were built in London to accommodate them.
Denver RTD works great and OP's video is a liar, and most Republicans who were against the projects are liars or miggers anyway.I don't care about their shit opinions, lol.
>>2027917Japan also did this but even more advanced. they built a little amusement park at the rural terminus so that they got daily traffic from salarymen to the city and back (2 fares per home,) and then traffic the other way when the wives and children went to the park (2 extra fares per trip, not usually daily but still lots of traffic.) not sure if kids had reduced fare or free but still more money rolling in every day besides workers.
>>2027421The newer trams in Helsinki can theoretically do 80k, I think it's just a question of tracks
I like cheap housing
nice, this thread has still Christmas!
>>2029229oh, I think I killed it...
