Why did hydrofoils never take off?
Eemm anon are you retarded?Hydrofoils arent made for take offs.They skim above the water and thats it.
>>2044074>loud af>slow afIf we never invented planes or buses they'd be alright
>>2044074because soviets were too good at making them so america had to discredit them as being commie shit not worth pursuingalso they are taking off again>>2042457
>>2044167>68km/hwhyyyyy
One issue is draft, a lot of places need dredging to accommodate them. For public transport the higher speeds are actually probably a negative because you'll only have the biggest of brainlets operating them.
>>2044074Not enough lift, not enough thrust.
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>>2044167I think it's more related to operation constraints, the depth you need when not at speed, the safety/stability and the fact that load capacity is often more important than speedIt is cool though>>2044167I hate America right now and they did plenty of fucked up shit in the pastFuck israel too and fuck these ghoulish degenerates that support those crimes against humanity unconditioinallyBut especially in light of the Ukraine invasion by russia and the apologism that followed I am really tired of American diabolism
>>2044099This was funny and I want you to know that I chuckled
Murrica.
>>2045011is that the one that the IDF massacred and the US was like "no worries bro shit happens ha ha"
>>2045054no, that was the USS Liberty, which wasn't even a hydrofoil
>>2045984USS Plainview was decommissioned in 1978. Someone bought it in hopes of scrapping and selling the aluminum hull, but they gave up. For the past 40 years it's been a wreck on the Washington side of the Columbia River. And the Washington ecology department is looking to scrap it themselves to clean up the river.
>>2045985That's a shame, she must have been fun. Noisy vibrating fun but fun nonetheless.
>>2044074Boeing built some. Then sold the design to Kawasaki. Kawasaki supports existing boats and is considering restarting production for the local market (Japan).
>>2044074To put it simply: you get the complexity and the maintenance of a plane with the brutal environment of the sea (plus salt).I absolutely love hydrofoils but the material science just wasn't there at the time. Maybe in a couple of years...
>>2044099Glad to see the joke wasn't lost on you anon.
>>2044099Updoots all around! If I could give you some reddit gold I would.
>>2044167>because soviets were too good at making themlolnothing good has ever come from russia
>>2044074They only really work in dense archipelagoes with a lot of islands. Where going by slowboat is too time consuming, but helicopters/planes are inefficient (and take-off/landing consumes too much time as well given the short distances).
>>2044074Alexeevs, a hydrofoil designer took the next step and lifted the skis out of the water.
>>2044074Hobbled by the same thing as the Concorde: fuel costs. You have to burn a lot of paleozoic plankton to get a ship going fast enough to fly. It's just hard to get enough passenger volume to make it profitable. They also require relatively calm water, so their routes are limited.
>>2044074I remember watching those going to and from Victoria, BC on its way to Seattle in the late 70's/early 80's. It would clear the Inner Harbour and Odgen Point breakwater like a normal ship. Then when it was off Brotchie Ledge you could hear the engines rev up and as it gained speed quickly, it rose up out of the water and was gone! Impressive and fast. Very smooth even in the roughest conditions.>The Island Jetfoil made waves on the Seattle–Victoria route during the summer of 1980. Designed for passenger comfort at speeds over 45 knots (83 km/h). For context, today’s Spirit of British Columbia with BC Ferries cruises steadily at about 20.6 knots, while Hullo’s vessels travel at a swift 38 knots.
>>2046787I think any niche hydrofoils wouldve filled have been taken over by those high speed catamarans which are about 85% as quick with about a tenth the complexity/operating costs/dredging requirements and other hurdles anons have listed ITT All that said, if money and practicality were of no cosequence, for me its the Mountbatten class
>>2048424I always liked this pic of Princess Margaret. That doggie in the foreground is going to get a surprise.
>>2048455What happens if you get run over by one of those?
>>2051794*crunch*Not much different from being run over by a solid hull. The skirting is heavy and not soft and pliable. It'll smash you when it hits you. And the air pressure underneath would be slightly higher than the hull weight on the same area.
>>2047776I wish I could have seen this thing fly like you wouldnt believe.
>>2048424Saw these a lot in the 80s as a kid. Don't think I ever rode in one though. They were impressive.
>>2047789>>2048455>evidence that this civilizational cycle has peaked.They had supersonic passenger travel and men on the moon 50 years ago.How the barbarians must’ve felt looking at the ruined aqueducts of the collapsed empire.
>>2051932Pressure is evenly spread over the whole area under the skirt. You're going to notice being run over by one and it won't be nice but it'll be nothing like being hit by a car.
>>2051932so how did jackie chan survive getting run over one in "rumble in the bronx"
>>2053131because he was in a car, and didn't actually get run over
>>2053115NTA, but you are largely right IMO. That being said, the process of the skirt needing to ride over you is probably going to be a lot rougher than you are estimating it. If the craft needs to "pitch up" to get over top of you, then a lot more pressure is going to be locally present there.Like a book has a certain pressure to it lying flat, but if you prop up one corner, there's now going to be a lot more pressure on that corner and the opposite edge.Even if the hovercraft can, eventually, equalize the pressure across the entire bottom, there's going to be a disequilibrium at the moment when the hull's momentum starts deflecting.
>>2053115The same amount of pressure is needed to support the weight of the craft. Figure out the weight of the ship and devide it for the square inch. You'll have your answer. Mass doesn't magically disappear.
>>2047789>Blocks your path
>>2053304I’ve actually been on one of those. It was incredible and much smoother than I was imagining. Smoother than the usual boat ferries you get today
>>2047608Tetris
>>2053192Agreed. An SRN4 would not pitch up more than if it hit a bug though.
>>2044074I took the JR Beetle hydrofoil from Busan to Fukuoka and it was a pretty good experience. Apparently they replaced it with a slightly slower but larger trimaran now.
>>2053115true but those inflatable skirts are in fact inflated and quite hard even though they seem to wobble and move a bunch when seen from far away. people have died just getting hit by RHIBs, a hovercraft would smash you up real good well before having to worry about the pressurized area underneath>>2047789from what ive read it's more that they aren't operable except in sea state 0. most areas of the world where you want super fast sealift are also places that have waves and shit. ships already cost a fuckton in fuel (and other supplies for feeding it and its crew) but afaik the fuel costs aren't so insanely higher that it's a more limiting factor than the influence of posiedon making the water not flat sometimes
>>2044955>Ukraine invasion by russiaUntil the soviet revolution Ukraine has literally never been an independent state. Read a fucking book. It's a fake state just like israel.
>>2055476i mean, yes, it wasn't a state before, but it is a state now, with its own laws, currency, ruling class, people who would rather be who they are now instead of joining any of their neighbors, and at this point, more than a full genreation of people who were never anything but ukrainians. it's not as severe as israel, if you remove israel's borders all hell will immediately break loose because they are surrounded by fundamental enemies who want them dead, whereas, as you said, russians, ukrainians and belarussians are pretty much the same mixed soviet remnants with state-imposed national identity and would eventually come to peace if told to mingle (though 50s germany syndrome will persist for a while for both sides, unless you remove borders 10 years ago); but nevertheless, they are an independent state. and if anything, bombing something that you don't even consider independent from yourself is even less excusable than bombing an independent state. uuuuh boats i guess?
>>2055476separatists are inherently based
>>2044074Because if you wanna travel across water fast you use an aircraft.
>>2055507We should seperate the USA into 10 different countries then
>>2055513i think secessionists are individually stupid but are still based for trying to secure their freedom at all, whatever freedom looks like to them. power to them but i'll still call them retards even if they win much like i call actual recognized nations retarded already
>>2055508What if you want to transport a lot across not a lot of water?
>>2055487having a war with an invading neighbor is a good way to get a strong national identity; russia's run by idiots
>>2055545quite the contrary, he knows exactly what he's doing. a strong leader needs an enemy to validate their strength and unite simple people under him, and in absence of one, they have to create one. it's a country of cattle, ran by a mastermind.
>>2055549that doesnt work so well when the tiny country you pick a fight with insisting it'll be your rightful clay again within a week blows you the fuck out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VUQnVSQxcM
>>2044099Hey! I was gonna make this same joke, asshole
>>2056421Guess that guy was just a little faster than you.
There should always be a hydrofoil thread up
I rode one back from Yakushima to Japan mainland and honestly it sucked. Like a fucking aeroplane, can’t go outside, just sit in your seat and get blasted by adverts from the TV goy. The car ferry I took going there was way more cozy, huge decks to wander around, sleeping mat areas, smoking deck, restaurant, civilisation.
>>2057709I did the same but enjoyed it because I didn't get seasick on the hydrofoil
>>2055476They were a nation, though, separate from Russians. When the USSR dissolved they asked for independence and got it, though Russia gerrymandered the final borders to have a sizeable contingent of ethnic Russians inside the borders, hoping to ensure Russian dominance of Ukrainian government. That left a messy situation even before you consider the CIA democracy cult's plan to turn Ukraine into an international money laundering hub.
>>2059590bullshitwell, not entirely, but this is turning a fly into an elephantnation-wise, saying "ukraine was a nation separate from russians" in context of ussr (and russian empire prior to that too) is akin to saying "texas is a separate nation from the united states". they are distinct if you average them out, texas is not california and not wisconsin, but compared to neighboring states like new mexico it's a gradient rather than a hard cutoff, and the same is the case with russia and ukraine. no matter how you cut the jib, you'd end up with texans in new mexico and new mexicans in texas, and that shouldn't have been a problem. at least for as long as it's not regular mexicans in texas.ethnicity-wise, again, you might as well say ethnic americans, same kinda melting pot. for some reason all russians get the same hate nowadays, despite a lot of them not being ethnically slavic in the slightest- be it people from republics that split off like azerbaijan (look at the list of richest people in russia, you'll find a few), people who stayed within russia as distinctly not russians like tatars and chechens, or even numerous misc minorities like jews and koreans. don't diss on russian koreans, korean carrot is the shit.if you meant slavic russians in particular, then potato potato. both them and ukraininans stem from the same kievan rus that expanded, became too big, fell apart, got MONGOL'd, got un-MONGOL'd, reassembled back into the megazord, went to space, returned and fell apart again. like, sure, you might not have liked to be the left leg, but don't pretend you weren't a part of it. and definitely don't go pissing in torso's boots just to spite him, at least not before you actually move out like azerbaijan moved out with turkey, you'll be smelling those boots from the top bunk too.eeeh uhhi wonder why there are no hydrofoiling seaplanes. except for this thing, but it's a silly all-electric investorbait, and seems to be vaporware too
>>2059691Texans don't have a separate language.
>>2059698they just don't consider it a separate language lol, their cowboy yankee yapping is sometimes as undecipherable to an english speaker as the worst cases of scottish accent. for me as an esl, at least. ukrainian is indeed a bit beyond just an accent, but for the most part it's just russian that's trailing a few patches behind. it retained (and added) a bunch of unique words that russian instead nicked from other languages over the last few centuries, and it also kept its sound closer to old russian; but at the same time it also lacks some optimisations that russian lanugage has made to be less of "every rule has a list of exceptions and every exception has its own exception" (and it's still very much that, don't learn those languages, you will suffer). russian and ukrainian speakers can easily understand each other for the most part, and the rest of the meaning can be got out of context. out of all post-soviet republics' languages, only belorussian comes as close.
>>2044074They were foiled.
