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MPs to vote on smoking ban for those born after 2009

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68816566.amp
Plans to stop young people born since 2009 ever smoking are being debated and will be voted on later.

Rishi Sunak's bill aims to create the UK's first smoke-free generation in a major public health intervention.

The Tobacco and Vapes Bill would ensure anyone turning 15 from this year would be banned from buying cigarettes, and also aims to make vapes less appealing to children.

A number of Tory MPs have told the BBC they won't back the bill.

The BBC understands that Business and Trade Secretary Kemi Badenoch is considering voting against the plans.

Conservative MPs will get a free vote on it so they won't be ordered to vote with the government, but the bill is likely to pass as it has Labour support.

The bill would make the sale of tobacco products, rather than the act of smoking, illegal.

Tobacco use is the UK's single biggest preventable cause of death, killing two-thirds of long-term users and causing 80,000 deaths every year.

On top of that, a patient is admitted to hospital with a smoking-related condition, such as heart disease, strokes and lung cancer, almost every minute in England.

Supporting the ban, England's chief medical officer Professor Sir Chris Whitty said once people become addicted to smoking "their choice is taken away".

"If you are in favour of choice you should be against something that takes away people's choice.

>>infallible logic
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They constantly take away all your Pleasures, no matter how they help you cope with life. But they never introduce a law to make life less painful for you. Interesting.
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>>1287603
Who is "They"?
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>>1287606
The government, or whoever else the fuck is in charge. Do you act like you dont know.
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>>1287611
I mean, don't act like you dont know.
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>>1287603
I'd say having laws in general is making life much less painful than it would otherwise be.
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>>1287613
Are you retarded? No, honest question. Laws in general? Laws against deprivation of life and liberty, sure. But laws saying you can't smoke a ciggy? And you clearly don't see where all this shit is going. How many other innocent pastim s have they legislated against? The laws are there to deprive you of your freedom, not to enable it.
Notice that now, with a coat or living crises and being exploited by billionaires and letting landlords deprive people of homes, they don't pass ONE SINGLE Law to address that. but you have ant a ciggy after a long day of work in your rented apartment? No no no, illegal.

Are you insane? Don't think they won't fuck you up the ass someway to you law obeying sycophant. You clearly don't get the principle.
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>>1287615
So you're saying you're outraged and they should apologize?
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>>1287623
Sorry man. I just, I'm pissed off. I'm unhappy with life. I'm unhappy that things should be better, things could be better, and everywhere I turn I encounter the same crap. People treating me and everyone like a fucking child. And worse than a child. Like a damn idiot who can't make decisions for themselves so someone else decides that I can't possibly be trusted to make my own decisions and they must make them for me, and on top of that, leave me with no options or avenues of escape but to be a drone.
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>>1287658
I'd rather have the government make the decisions than have the profit-minded free market tricking people. Sorry but people who agree with me are the majority. You're going to have to learn to cope.
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>>1287660
the government literally only makes decisions that benefits the ruling class to the detriment of the people. literally every single government worker and official is evil
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>>1287662
Sounds like something the globalist profiteers would say
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>>1287666
you literally have satan trips. every elected official is evil
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>>1287660
And why in the fuck would you rather have the government (not Gods, not more knowledgeable than you or I) have a say in how YOU live your life? You believe that a person should have a say in how you live, how the hell is that person not you?

You know you more than anyone. By accepting that a person should have a say in your life you're saying that an individual can determine the life of an individual. Well, you're an individual, so why not you? But you seem to be saying that you, as an individual, are not granted the right to to be governed by an individual, again you.

You're really saying that someone else can say what's good for you, but you, who is in the best possible position to know what's right for you, cannot. That isn't remotely rational at all. No one thousands of Miles away from you, who knows you or anything about your life, or could possibly determine what's right for you.

So are you saying that some rando can decide what you should do in your own life, and are surrending your own right to self determination? Cos thats just stupid, stupid, stupid.
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>>1287671
Sorry that we made murder illegal :^(
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>>1287815
>*murder is still legal if you are a member of the government, kill whoever you want
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>>1287817
Well stop being a murderer and we'll stop murdering you back. It's a tit for tat situation.
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>>1287820
>yeah the quarter billion people murdered by governments in the 20th century were all murderers
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
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>>1287601
>legislating lifestyles in the name of progressiveness
Horseshoe validated
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>>1287822
>just stop having societies bro
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people who smoke smell like shit and act like apes, good law
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>>1288250
That didn't stop me from fucking your mom.
Anyway, I'm not opposed to the law. Smoking was always retarded.
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Quite possibly the only good Bill that will be passed during the nearly 14 years of coalition and full fat Tory government.
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>>1287601
>The Tobacco and Vapes Bill would ensure anyone turning 15 from this year would be banned from buying cigarettes
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Pretty sure they are banned from buying cigarettes, pretty sure they can still get them because kids are crafty fucks
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>>1287658
it's difficult for me to decide where I stand on this.
on the one hand, if you knew a 15 year old, a nephew for example, and you caught him smoking, would you turn your back or would you try to advise them not to smoke? if you tried to dissuade them you would probably tell them that smoking will basically ruin your life. you'll spend a fortune and you'll likely die of a slow disease, so I would be glad that they wouldn't legally be allowed to smoke, since he might just keep doing it until he can buy them at 16, and then possibly be hooked for life. however, as that kid grows up into an adult, once he's an adult should he not be able to make his own mind up?
so on the one hand it prevents a bad choice, but on the other it prevents a freedom, so I don't know. is it a slippery slope, or is it a worthy sacrifice? perhaps instead of for life it should just be until youre 30. that's strict, but still allows for you to ultimately make your mind up once youre most likely a more mature adult.



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